Looks like James heard support for the OWS thugs is now far below that of the Tea Party.  Keep trying James.  If you hang with thugs, unfortunately these things can happen. 

That looks like just another day at an Occupy camp.

Better then the poster child of the guy taking a dump in a trash can I guess.

So, a grandma gets assualted and since you dont want to acknowledge that the OWS are sometimes victims, you complain about James

So the 84 year old woman is either a thug or deserved it for being there? Really? No problem with government goons pepper spraying an old lady?

You know, sometimes wrong is wrong and not a partisan hackery token. And pepper spraying an old lady is just wrong.

Yeah I think the Pulitzer has to be between this picture and the picture of the guy taking a dump on the cop car.  Give me a break.  I bet it tickles the progressives to no end that an old lady got pepper sprayed and there was a picture of it.  They just love to play the victim and demagogue the hell out of every possible situation.  It’s like they have the mind of a dramatic junior high girl.  It’s embarrassing for the “progressive movement” and OWS in general.

What happened to your theory that everyone at OWS was a heroin-taking, non-bathing, jobless, Marxist revolutionary welfare baby, Michelle? This granny looks pretty scary, and I’m sure she’s just greedy, hoping to get a bigger Social Security check so she can live it up on the taxpayer’s dime. 

More exciting than the Tea Party camp, where everyone just mumbles to themselves while watching Hannity until the nurses come around to distribute meds and change the diapers. 

Old people Tea Party jokes. Ha ha. I guess you didn’t read the above article.

Doh!

BULLSHIT! you can’t fool us! that’s Helen Thomas.

Haha, I guess I did. I guess you didn’t read my post. Haha. Doh! This woman is clearly a hell of lot brighter than any Tea Party member by the very fact that she’s not at a Tea Party hate-fest at her local Pizza Hut. Doh! 

When Mediaite did an article about 2 elderly women being pushed and thrown down at a Conservative convention the Mediaite writer made it seem like they ‘fell’….now some elderly women gets peppered spray and James tries to rally the Liberal troops.

Double standard.

What about the elderly who were ATTACKED and knocked down by OWS protesters in D.C.?

Michele is outraged by the article more than an 84 year old woman being pepper sprayed.  Interesting Michele interesting.

LOL

Apparently not, or she would not have been pepper sprayed.

Why do Liberals hate the police? Liberals hate the police and the rule of law. They are trash.

Those are HAMAS PLO tactics.

One of the organizers of OWS worked with the PLO and knows how to MILK the sympathetic Liberal media…like Mediaite.

Liberals hate the police & military.

…and the rule of law and CIVILITY.

They were not attacked, from the reports I read….they were accidentally pushed down by OWS

btw……nice diversion

They were not attacked, from the reports I read….they were accidentally pushed down by OWS

btw……nice diversion

I wouldn’t doubt it.

1. She is an aged Liberal.

2. She hates Jews.

…that is was OWS is all about.

so both old bags should learn to duck?

No, but if you hang with thugs, you shouldn’t be surpirsed if something like this happens.  Choose your friends wisely.

they like the cops when they can use them to boost union membership and demand more public funds.

Yeah, then they cleaned up after themselves and went home to contribute to society. 

uh…no.

OWS ATTACKED people at the Conservative….why did they go there if not do attack people?

What reports? From some left wing MSM?

Also it is LIBERAL or left leaning LEFTIST mayors who are trying to “TAKE OUT THE TRASH” and are sick of these freaks.

From Portland, Oakland, Berkeley, Boston and Denver LIBERAL….YES, LIBERAL mayors have asked the police to TAKE OUT THE TRASH and remove this vermin from their street….not conservatives.

Why do Liberals HATE the police?

Yeah, you’re absolutely right. This is all about Palestinian Muslim fascist Marxist terrorists taking over our beloved Zuccotti Park!!! Why is Fox News the only network we can trust these days to give us the message the GOP so desperately needs us to hear? I mean the message about the secret Obama-bot ploy to make our kids homosexual Muslim Nazis. This woman is a veritable Yasser Arafat and/or Bin Laden!!!! You pick–whichever is scarier!!! 

The great “granny” is obvious a hooker hired by the “ows.” She was down there trying to earn some jack to buy some meth or crack. I heard she was pretty popular with the occupiers. Turned a lot of tricks for them.

“Instantly becomes icon of the movement” – This is exactly the weak, pathetic journalism liberals deem as ‘credible’. OWS are a bunch of self-hating, rapist, drug-addicted degenerates without a father to smack them in the face.

Self-hating, middle-class, white liberals i.e. (MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABC) will do anything to cover up the degeneracy of OWS. May you seek redemption with God. Oh wait, you’re a bunch of atheists who’d rather ban Christians from praying and displaying piety in the public sphere, and instead you’d rather teach a 3rd grader how to put a condom on a cucumber. 

1. Terrorist supporting CAIR supports OWS.

2. Iranian Mullahs suport OWS

3. Ahdenmejahd supports OWS

3. HAMAS support OWS.

4. The KKK

5. Nazi Party

….next.

(not one of these groups support the TEA PARTY…but they ALLLLLLLLL support OWS. )

thats not pepper spray…

just a typical ows circle jerk happy ending.

The only hatefest are at OWS camps

anti-Jewish hate fests.

Thank God the police are finally taking care of those aged, jobless thugs down there at OWS Seattle and giving them what they deserve.  Way to protect the 1% you F****ing PIGS! 

It’s hardf to deny when there is so much evidence of it.  Take this for instance:

A professorfrom Suffolk University Law School in Boston is experiencing why it is important to remember that rule of thumb.

Michael Avery composed a five-paragraph message to his colleagues in response to a campus-wide drive for care packages for American troops stationed overseas. In his email, Avery wrote that it is “shameful that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings.” Avery specializes in constitutional law.

Avery’s email also included at least one other controversial remark: Sympathy for American troops, he wrote, is “not particularly rational in today’s world.”

I served in the Army and National Guard for ten years, how long did you serve?

Protestors are running out of
inherited money and cannot survive on low yield investments. They blame Wall
Street bankers for their problems. Only a government bailout can prevent them
from becoming homeless.

uh…no.

OWS ATTACKED people at the Conservative convention….why did they go there if not to attack people?

What reports? From some left wing MSM?

Also it is LIBERAL or left leaning LEFTIST mayors who are trying to “TAKE OUT THE TRASH” and are sick of these freaks.

From Portland, Oakland, Berkeley, Boston and Denver LIBERAL….YES, LIBERAL mayors have asked the police to TAKE OUT THE TRASH and remove this vermin from their street….not conservatives.

Why do Liberals HATE the police?

Yet another masterbator caught at another OWS encampment. He somehow strayed from the rape free zone?? And Jesus, an OWS-er just landed a rifle shot in a White House window. Hey Lib media, where are you???

Nothing to see here people, please move along. Er….., please cue the granny photo with pepper spray. Also, can we get Dianne Sawyer to re-hash how Sarah Palin created the Gabby Giffords shooting by putting cross hairs on a web site page (of course, the mentally insane Giffords shooter never saw that web site, but disregard this). Move along people, move along

Your grasp of reality is pretty thin. Every time anyone criticizes the way the U.S. government handles anything (from a war to a trade agreement), Iran and Hamas support the critics even if there is no reason to. It’s called politics. Of course Ahmadinejad is going to support any protests in the U.S. because he’s trying to make himself look sympathetic to reasonable protests after he’s crushed one in his own country. 

Good job stretching out what is basically two parties–Iran and Hamas–into four in your post. Well done, Lala. Now please pick up a book and start reading about the world. 

The police are protecting THE LIBERAL MAYORS, in Portland, Boston, S.F., Berkeley, Oakland and Denver….the LIBERAL mayors are the ones sending in the police, not the police.

Then attack them….saying that the police is the army for the rich. They can’t have it both ways.

but that would make sense…

I see you’ve added a few more. Thanks. Your points are pretty easy to debunk. 

Maybe you’ve heard of a guy named David Duke. Turns out he loves the Tea Party. Weird, right, considering one of the Tea Party founders was caught holding up a sign with a racist slur:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ashleybaccam/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-defends-the-tea

http://houstontps.org/audio/4995.jpg

lol…..look at the list and it is REALITY.

I did not make that list up.

1. Those on the list did not support the Tea Party.

2. Those on the list do support OWS.

Now why?

Why didn’t Ahmadinejad support the Tea Party?

So, an elderly woman being pepper-sprayed by police is no cause for concern?  Do we not have a right to be enraged that this happened?

The inability of some of you to see the gross injustices caused by some police during these rallies is really baffling.  Seriously, it’s cognitive dissonance at a level that I’ve never seen.

Instead of being outraged that a uniformed peace officers acted aggressively to passive protesters, you have decided to side with the state cracking down on innocent people.

The moment that I saw a phallanx of riot-geared police toss a small explosive device (flash-bang or not) into a crowd of people who were attempting to help a veteran critically wounded by the police, I knew which side I was on.  It’s a matter of having a sense of justice and a love for your fellow Americans.  I assume that you have neither.

You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.  Your bridge is calling, troll.  Get back under it.

…and I was the president of the United States.

Anyone can write they served, but you can’t prove it.

5 years U.S.M.C………Vietnam…1966-67, and 1969. How’s that war hero?

Spoken like someone who has never set foot in one of the Occupy protests but instead gets all of her news from Limbaugh. 

If you’d like to do a point-by-point comparison between who has held up more offensive signs, I’m pretty sure the Tea Party is going to lose by a long shot. Would you like to compare? Just let me know. 

Did you show this level of concern for the 2 old ladies knocked down in DC?

Dont’ forget Communist China!

Zounds!  This has to be a conspiracy!  Where’s Glenn Beck to elucidate us with extremely loose associations that spell out doom for us, our kin and our country?!?!

…but….but he says he is a SHIEK….lol

Your that granny aren’t you?

Diversion or comparison…. it was a simple question to show your bias in concern for the elderly. One you clearly don’t care about and make excuses for their being attacked. One you do care about. It’s really quite simple if you think about it.

And I’m sure the reports YOU read went very easy on the folks in ODC. Wonder if those same reports were written by the journalists that are active protesters?

In this case, they support OWS because they know the goal of the movement is to bring down America.  Of course they are supporting it!!  Man you liberals are so dense. 

Actually, they went on to screw up the House of Reps, sending the nation into a S&P downgrade. At least, that’s what the S&P actually said in their press release on the downgrade, in which they cited newly elected Republicans’ fervor for drastic and ridiculous cuts as the primary reason for the timing of the downgrade. I know as a right-wing nut you won’t take the S&P’s word on why they did it, but then again, Limbaugh didn’t say it. 

So yeah, the Tea Party really contributed.  

Well those OWS are not even HUMAN and the last time I looked at them THEY looked like trolls…dirty, grungy trolls.

So….who’s fault is it she got peppered sprayed?

Why do Liberals hate the police?

Characterizing a country’s occupation, indiscriminate grabbing of original owners and inhabitants land, evicting them and turning them & their offsprings over to refugee camps, maliciously uprooting farmers olive trees and making their lives impossible as being unconscionable equals hating Jews? How convoluted

Yes it is… so is an old lady being knocked down the stairs. I’m consistent… you’re not.

Was that a serious attempt at an insult?  

Lay down with dogs and wake up with fleas. It could be worse; she could have contracted TB or been raped by a fellow cockroach.

David duke supported Tea Party.

But you wouldn’t consider him a terrorist,amirite?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDeNBsD8iRc

Conspiracy,….You mean like these groups who have come to support OWS?;

1. Terrorist supporting CAIR supports OWS.

2. Iranian Mullahs suport OWS

3. Ahdenmejahd supports OWS

3. HAMAS support OWS.

4. The KKK supports OWS

5. Nazi Party supports OWS

Now tell me these people or terrorist groups DON’T support OWS.

…well then why don’t you leave the USA? Give your house and job to an American Indian.

Hamas and Hezbollah are religious Islamic motivated terrorist groups…YET Their own Quran SAYS that Israel is FOR JEWS, and not one mention of Palestine.

…bad decisions can lead to painful consequences…

….so if you are going to be old and stupid…better damn side be tough…

Maybe she is senile?

That’s extremely idiotic logic.  It makes the assumption that pepper-spray is inevitable at protests, which it isn’t.

Who’s fault?  The asshole police officer who indiscriminately sprayed the pepper spray.  

Calling out the police for engaging in unnecessarily violent tactics is not ‘hate’ for them.

It’s a shame that your pathological ideology prevents you from seeing other people.

Hate is a cancer, Lala, and your case seems pretty hopeless.  I, for one, could not live being irrepressibly angry at an undefined group of people like you.

So you picked out ONE…..what about the rest?

cherry pick MUCH.

One out of MANY is different than many.

Actually I do consider him a terrorist.

Now that is ONE….explain the rest.

WELLLLLLLLLLLLL?

Is this a shot from Jenna Jameson’s new movie?   Man she’s looking old.

So?  

lol…the only time I have heard Limbaugh is when Mediaite does a story about him, I guess you have no come back for alllllllll the anti-Jewish attacks at several OWS camps.

Should we institute Islamic Sharee’a and polygamy in the US just because their Quran calls for it?

As to here in the US and indians, I’m not aware we confiscate land from the indigenous inhabitants nowadays & have solid preservation and protections laws. Israel is acting (now) like our forefathers behaved 200-300 years ago, which rational minds characterize as ugly shameful behavior

I mean, that really doesn’t mean anything.  Israel is essentially an apartheid state.  Does that mean you, by supporting Israel, support families being kicked out of their homes because of their race and religion?  Does that mean you implicitly support apartheid?  

And considering that OWS has its spiritual origins with the Tunisian, Egyptian and Iranian protests, I am sure that the support from Iran’s ‘powers that be’ is a bit shallow.

Here is today’s (non media approved) OWS Icon….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVAX-JAQw4

There will be another bed bug around in 15 minutes to be the next icon of the movement, no doubt.

Ya.

Apparently it took this woman 84 years to learn what took me 12:  That actions and behavior have consequences!  Oh I still had some bumps along the way in life, but the lesson was already imbued by 12 or so.

The assumption by the Media and Liberal Democrats, is that people will be indignant over the woman’s treatment, i.e., red face, tears and snot?  Ergo, therein exemplifies the philosophical chasm in America… The Conservatives, including myself, assume people, (OWS) should be held responsible for exhibiting conceited, antisocial behavior.  Ergo, she should have known better than to be there, my Mom would!

Conversely, the Liberal OWS have been inculcated to believe that as long as they, the OWS/Liberal’s have determined their position is just, then the means justify the ends?  Who created these rag tag monsters who are devoid of civility, their parents, teachers, politicians, all of the above?  Good God, what are their table manners like, do they wash their hands after taking a dump?

Regardless, somehow, someway these misguided malcontent’s, have distorted the first amendment:   It seems their interpretation of free expression, say, throwing a rock, or blocking an intersection, is not free speech!  Rather, such is simply throwing a rock or blocking an intersection, which are crimes!   Curiously, those were the tactics of Lenin and his army of “useful idiots,” only the Russian Monarchy didn’t have anything like the 1st amendment for the “idiots” to abuse  Hmm?

 What would Thomas Jefferson say?

Funny and disturbing. Congrats.

So my statement IS true.

Why do you hate the police?

1. Obama received the most money than President in the last 20 years. So why not go protest in front of the whitehouse?

2. The police ARE TOLD by Liberal and left leaning mayors to CLEAR OUT THE TRASH = OWS….so it is not their fault that OWS are unruly, uncivilized POS.

Nobody could produce that volume for such a hag. Even Peter North would be reduced to a dribbler.

The Indians don’t have any land left to confiscate. Their reservations are already set and their land base WAS LARGE.

So….are you going to give the Native Americans YOUR house and job, and leave?

Actually HAMAS and Hezbollah HAS implemented Sharia Law in Gaza and the areas they control in recent years…so that means they believe the Quran to be true….so they should give ALL their land to the Jews as it is written in the Quran.

Thanks for your Daily Kos talking points. 

I’d say that is a reasonable diagnoses?

Is the onset of “senility,” earlier with Liberals than Conservatives?  Judging from Liberal’s overt behavior, arrested development and lengthy childhoods and adolescence,  I believe the case could be made?

Purveyor

The best way to deal with these people, if the police are not.

http://themorningspew.com/2011/11/16/occupied/

Earth to stupid Liberals.

mannnnnn….Liberals sure are stupid.

A pregnant OWSer woman got sprayed too.  We should help come up with baby names.

http://themorningspew.com/2011/11/16/help-pepper-sprayed-pregnant-owser-woman-with-baby-names/

It’s amazing that you have this ability to take something that I said and interpret it to mean the exact opposite as it explicitly states.  

No, your statement is not true.  

“1. Obama received the most money than President in the last 20 years. So why not go protest in front of the whitehouse?”
Because the problem starts with massive financial corporations that have too much money with which to buy our politicians.  You’re putting the carriage before the horse.  Yes, Obama receiving that money is a serious issue, but the bigger issue is that avenues that facilitate that bribery exists, continue to exist and are constantly being widened.  If you still cannot see that this is a major problem that transcends party politics then your head’s up an elephant’s ass.

“2. The police ARE TOLD by Liberal and left leaning mayors to CLEAR OUT THE TRASH = OWS….so it is not their fault that OWS are unruly, uncivilized POS. ”

The ‘I’m Just Following Orders’ defense is not a defense at all.  This was essentially settled by the Nuremberg trials.  The officers who fired the pepper spray have free will.  They are not automotons.  As such, they are culpable for their actions.And in regards to the ‘liberal’ mayors, they are wrong, too.  You do not meet a peaceful protest with police using riot tactics.  

So…when YOU leave the USA or Canada and give up your job and house….don’t whine about Palestine.

Oh ya? And you should get an aboration too.

Bummer, looking at the picture before reading the caption I thought someone pepper sprayed George Soros.

lol…how is Israel an “apartheid state”?

80 percent of the Arabs and Muslims living in Israel…LOVE IT there.

There are Arab and Muslim judges, law makers. Many of them are rich and can travel around.

so you are an IDIOT.

How does one ‘aborate’ oneself?  

May I suggest studying some insult comics?  Your trolling form is really pathetic.

First name “Rape”

“Flea”

“I’m just following orders” ORDERS from LIBERAL and LEFT LEANING DEMOCRATIC mayors.

So who is giving the orders to clear out the TRASH?

Left leaning,, Liberal or Democratic mayors.

 If you want copy of my DD form 214, just let me know where to send it.

ABC News  is now reporting that the shooter who shot at the whitehouse came from OWS D.C.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/white-house-shooting-suspect-ramiro-ortega-hernandez-arrested/story?id=14966099#.TsQg4_I8dBm

Once again proving OWS is dangerous.

ABC is now reporting that the shooter of the whitehouse was from OWS D.C.;

http://abcnews.go.com/US/white-house-shooting-suspect-ramiro-ortega-hernandez-arrested/story?id=14966099#.TsQg4_I8dBm

Please… the old woman was where she shouldn’t have been and asked for it. Clearly, the message was “go home.” Anyone who chose to stay was taking a risk.

No sympathy deserved.

 The same reason you hate America?

Really? What about the love of these idiot protestors for their fellow Americans losing business wherever they’re protesting?

These people are worthless scum. They far outlasted any reasonable protest and became merely nuisances.

They deserve to be treated like the cockroaches they became, old or not.

No sympathy for this old woman sprayed by pepper spray. If she didn’t want to risk it, she should have gone home when told.

She asked for it… and got exactly what she deserved.

No, it wasn’t the police officer’s fault. It was the old woman’s fault. She should have gone home. Instead, she chose to stay, contrary to what she was told.

She deserved it. As did anyone else sprayed, regardless of age. The only exception would be a child, in which case that child’s parents would be at fault.

Why is Israel an apartheid state?

1. The disengagement plan laid out by Ariel Sharon separates Palestinians and Israelis, with favored land and urban conditions being given to the latter.  Indeed, Gaza City and the West Bank have a very ‘bantustan’-like quality.  And Israeli actions in the West Bank, specifically the establishment of Jewish-only settlements at the expense of displacing thousands of innocent Palestinians, smacks of Apartheid policy.

2.  The use of Zionism as a value-system to set legal distinctions between Israeli and Palestinian.  

3.  Severe restrictions of citizenship rights for any Palestinian who marries an Israeli.  And, if they have a kid, the child has to leave the country by age 12.

Just because a Palestinian can get a job as a judge does not mean that Israel is not apartheid.  As long as Palestinians do not have the same rights as Israelis and are made to live in separate settlements, Israel fits the definition of apartheid.

Sure, bring me an American Indian who is a direct owner or a descendent of one with supporting documents and the courts are out there to take up their cases. Courts and due process, a concept foreign to Israelis who are accustomed to just walk in and strip land and houses right out from underneath their rightful owners

Will Israelis be honorable and afford due process to Palestinians who are actual owners with actual supporting stamped and certified documents of the land you stole?

If you actually read the entirety of what I wrote rather than just cherry-pick phrases, you’ll see that I said this:  

“and in regards to the ‘liberal’ mayors, they are wrong, too.  You do not meet a peaceful protest with police using riot tactics.”So, you’re little argument is moot.  

As I told Lala:  ”That’s extremely idiotic logic.  It makes the assumption that pepper-spray is inevitable at protests, which it isn’t.”

Hate is a cancer, Jacob.  I pity you.

Knowing that the problems of New York would certainly precipitate action by Occupy Seattle, I thought I better check it out. 

Bad move Granny. Most cognitive, rational people would have thought:

Knowing that the problems of New York would certainly precipitate action by Occupy Seattle, I thought I better stay on the f*cking bus. 

If you deliberately go looking for trouble, it’ll find you!

“What would Thomas Jefferson say?”

This is coming from someone who is not a liberal or a republican and is not at OWS:

1. Thomas Jefferson would tell you that he helped write a Constitution that guaranteed the right of free speech and the right to assemble. He’d also say something a little alarming like “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
2. The OWS philosophy is to engage in non-violent protests. Some people who have shown up, but ARE NOT A PART OF THE MOVEMENT, do throw rocks and set fires much to the protest of the people that are a part of the OWS.
3. OWS people do not define themselves as liberals per say.
4. Stop being making Republicans look like a bunch of pissed off cynical people.
5. Who the hell do you think you are to be patronizing to an 84 year old woman? That’s pathetic.

Occupied? These guys don’t use pepper spray.

http://themorningspew.com/2011/11/16/occupied/

“OWS are a bunch of self-hating, rapist, drug-addicted degenerates without a father to smack them in the face”

Huh? What!?

“Oh wait, you’re a bunch of atheists who’d rather ban Christians from
praying and displaying piety in the public sphere, and instead you’d
rather teach a 3rd grader how to put a condom on a cucumber.”

Huh? Where’s all this hate coming from? Where in hell are getting these ideas? And where’s your “piety” that you’re talking about?

You’re talking crazy talk like the president of Iran or even al-Qaeda. If you really believe that sh*t you need some help man.

It’s only an homage to the late Frank Zappa, La la.

So the actions of the police should be equal to those of the OWS mob, or vice versa?

Very nice, Thanks for your service.  While I was in country I even had a friend who was a marine, we’d go drinking in town sometimes at the bars. One night when I got up to go to the latrine I grabbed what I thought was my hat but I noticed when I got in there I had my buddy’s cap. Out of no where this little gook kid came up and said, “hey mister, you want b j?”   I immediately said no, I’m not a marine, I’m just wearing the hat.
But seriously I was a REMF, so thanks for your service and the first time I heard that joke it was from ex-marine drill instructor in basic at Ft. Polk. Oh, and the guy in the head was a Marine with an Army cap.

There are so many angry nut jobs on this page I don’t even know where to begin. Sigh.

Dude you keep saying over and over like a broken record that “Liberals hate the police”.

Has it occurred to you at all that there are plenty of liberals out there that have police officers in their families? Has it occurred to you that there are liberals who are the police?

You are the one hates man. Calling other human beings “trash” is what monsters like Stalin and Hitler did. We all fly the same flag so lets try to respectfully disagree when we do.

No liberals don’t “hate the police & military”. To start with there are liberals IN the police and military.

Well he’s being an idiot then. There are idiots in both parties.

No they actually said that the “park police believe” that he did. Even if he did it doesn’t mean he was being a part of it. Anybody can show up to a protest. (And no I’m not part of that protest).

It was written that she was a veteran protester, heard the helicopters and went to check it out.  Are you forgetting how violent the past protests have been in Seattle?  I doubt she has.

From her comment that was posted it appears that she is pretty sharp, she spoke of the OWS confrontation and she was going to check things out, hard to believe she would be unaware that cops use pepperspray.  It’s also not clear that she was a target, was she the target or the camera lens, or the crowd in general and she happened to be in an unfortunate spot?  From the video, the spray was random, no specific targets.

My point, she was where she wanted to be and she was not attacked.

There is no hate to here. Just people who are irresponsible paying the price. Seems to me that you hate the police.

They knew it was time to go but they refused. They, including the old woman, merely got what they deserved.

Being as though she was getting off the bus to….go to the protest, gonna go out on a limb here and guess that she’s a bather, no job, possibly marxist.  Besides, this isn’t OWS, it’s Seattle.

You’ll have to excuse Michelle…she’s really fucking dumb, you see.

If she is a veteran activist, then she knew what the potential was – dead issue.

Yes, your right. However they are predominantly conservative. I was in the “Corps” they were then & still are.

Like I said, you can ignore the actual language of the S&P press release if you want to… and you do. 

They knew they shouldn’t be there. Period. They have no right to know what means would be used to get rid of them. It isn’t like they get a say these things! Nor should they!

Wait – was she pepper-sprayed, or did she just do a porno movie with the late John Holmes?

I doubt it.   The weird ‘hacker’ masks, piles of garbage, and ’human micrphone’ stupidity will be the iconomic remants.  Well that, and the riot police clearing out the hippies…

Reuters seems to agree with my take,
  http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2011/11/16/the-inevitable-eviction-of-ows/

Too bad, the sentiment is strongly populist, but the chaos, drug use, filth really hurt the messaging…

The occupiers blocked traffic, were told to leave, kept blocking traffic, and we’re supposed to have empathy because the ‘occupiers’ pushed an old lady to the front for a photo op.

What’s next, infants and the disabled in the front?  Reminds of the terrorrists, they actually want to put those most fragile in harm’s way for the imaging.  Good people would make sure kids and elderly were actually behind the healthiest and strongest.   Seriously, sick stuff.  Someone needs to check on kids, if they’re pushing the elderly to the front, God knows what the loons are doing to the kids!

“There is no hate to here.”

I beg to differ.  

“These people are worthless scum.”

“They deserve to be treated like the cockroaches they became, old or not.”

Those are pretty hateful things to say.  There’s this process called ‘dehumanization’.  People tend to engage in it with people they hate and it’s typically used to delegitimize the humanity of a person or group with the goal to make them easier and easier to hate or subjugate.  

I do not hate the police.  I only rightfully call them out when they engage in undue violence towards unarmed people.  I don’t believe in blindly following authority.  I believe in holding authority accountable, especially if they essentially have the power to pepper spray you, beat you with a baton, kidnap you and throw you in a cage just because you refuse to step on the sidewalk.

So wrong in so many level but still funny!

“They knew they shouldn’t be there. Period. They have no right to know what means would be used to get rid of them. It isn’t like they get a say these things! Nor should they!”

No, they have a right to be treated appropriately and professionally by police.  Pepper-spraying an entire crowd of peaceful protesters is not appropriate.

You’d think she would have read your name phonetically and got the joke, if not the reference.

Thank you for that.

I know that woman!  She died FOUR DAYS AGO!  WTF!  Who hauled her down there?

Holy pedantry, Batman!

Who HAULED THIS POOR OLD WOMAN down there intentionally to turn her into a target?

Take a look at her.  She is obviously suffering from dementia.  The people who victimized her need to be hauled off to jail!

Who HAULED THIS POOR OLD WOMAN down there intentionally to turn her into a target?

Take a look at her.  She is obviously suffering from dementia.  The people who victimized her need to be hauled off to jail!

Sort of reminds us of how Hitler operated; shoot a bunch of old people, drag them to a square in town and tell the people the JEWS did it.

Despicable “OWS” idiots would force this old woman into this obviously against her will.

Meanwhile the guy who took two shots at the White House with a rifle is now a documented OWS supporter and even “made camp” at the DC OWS.

What evidence do you have that she has dementia?  Or are you being an ageist asshole who likes to reduce an elderly woman’s free choice to a terrible illness that does not have any visible symptoms outside of behavior.

And if she is ‘obviously suffering from dementia’, what does that say about the cop that sprayed her.

Funny that Mediaite never published any of the photos of the officers who were being pelted by rocks, bottles and feces thrown by these thugs.

He’s likely suffering from “agent orange” poisoning.  It causes mental troubles, you know  he was in the sh*t.

I believe you are wrong and simply don’t grasp the magnitude of what’s currently happening in this country.  However, I’ll submit you’re nom de plume statement was actually correct.
 
Saint Crispen

The mayors are coordinating their efforts through the office of Homeland Security in Washington,D.C.  We don’t hate police, we hate when police who are making up for their own shortcomings attack others in an effort to make up for their own inadequacies.

Oh yeah, let’s see those pictures….which don’t exist!

Oh, just got the scoop, those were undercovers(cops) throwing the sh*t at each other.  Observers overheard them using a safe word for cops to go easy on them.

Cry me a river. I am so sick of you journolisters running propaganda for this “movement”. 

No, they were told to leave. If they don’t obey, they have no right to expect any kind of treatment. It is clear these losers believe they are always entitled to be treated according to their own rules, and I suspect you are one of then too. If you were there and disobeying, may the cops pepper spray you in the eyes! You would have no right to expect any better treatment than a disobedient rabid animal.

These people did a good job dehumanizing themselves, sleeping in unsanitary conditions, urinating in public and doing drugs, and disobeying the police.

If they can’t act like responsible decent human beings, they have no right to expect treatment as such.

They should have “tazzed” her. And then put the thumb screws to her.

Seattle DOES have a history of violent protests. Anyone that lives in this area knows that. Venturing into a mob is not a safe thing to do for anyone, let alone an 84 year old. She’s lucky she only got pepper sprayed. She could have easily tripped, or been pushed down, and trampled by the mob.

The old broad got what she deserved.  I just hope that the treatment to the next protester is more severe.

shogan83 wrote: “Who’s fault? The asshole police officer who indiscriminately sprayed the pepper spray.”

Really? So police officers are now assholes? It wasn’t so long ago that people like you were praising firefighters and police officers when it came to supporting unions. They were good and necessary and should be supported by everyone. Now they’re just assholes, huh? 

It appears you believe the elderly woman was there of her free choice. In that case, she must have known what might happen. Seattle has a history of mob violence. She stayed, knowing that risk. She’s not an innocent little old lady.

Tell that to shogan83. He/she called the police officers “assholes”. I don’t think you’ll find many conservatives calling police officers assholes.

That is exactly the wrong image for OWS.  It’s a far cry from the anti-war protesters from the 60s who countered with gas masks, football helmets and baseball bats.

Just saw the video – OWS NY protesters are now encouraging the crowds to burn down NY City and to bomb Macys. Such a peaceful group…

The way we treat our elders is how we will be treated. 

Why in God’s good name would we be harming people in our own streets for being free?  The elderly no less.  Grab a mirror and answer that one. 

Is that why liberals want Police officers to receive higher salaries and more benefits? You are a dumbass.

I think the old woman is shogan83′s grandma.

I don’t see how falling down, (or being pushed), compare to having your face saturated with pepper spray regardless of age!

Sooooooooooooooo cool. Why didn’t they shoot her first?

This old lady looks like she’s melting…lol

CARVER, 

I stand by every word I wrote.

Quote:  ”The OWS philosophy”  (Now that is an oxymoron!  LOL)Relevant trivia:  You do recall that Mr. John Adams, successfully defended the British Soldiers who were charged with the “Boston Massacre?”  ”Peaceably assemble?”

The purveyor of Rhetoric

SHOGAN,

I sent CARVER a reply, just above your comment.  I sincerely hope it irritates you?

Purveyor

One other tid bit…  Thomas Jefferson may have influenced the writing of the Constitution, but he most certainly did NOT write it, or participate in writing such.

You see Mr. Jefferson was in France at the time….  Ouch!

Purveyor

Did she choose to go there? Did she fail to leave when the situation got out of hand? Did her fellow protesters fail to get her out of the dangerous situation? Did she and her comrades think that her presence would dissuade the police officers from doing their jobs? Did they plan to use her as a propaganda tool or a human shield? After all, some have used their own children as human shields. I don’t know if she deserved being sprayed or not. I don’t even know if she was actually pepper sprayed. I do know that she could have avoided the situation, had she chosen to. She made her choice.

“We few, we happy, we band of brothers;
For he today that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,

That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.”   (William Shakespeare, Henry V)

Sir:  ”The magnitude of is currently happening in this country,” is attributable to you!  I have the task of cleaning up your mess…

The Purveyor of Rhetoric

You certainly do have a right to be outraged, just as I have a right to not be. She was not an innocent bystander caught in the confrontation. She was a participant. She chose to be there, and therefore is responsible for the consequences of her actions.

Quote: “Israel is really an apartheid state”   SHOGAN, you are just full of incorrect Leftist rhetoric?  LOL

Arabs that reside in Israel have full citizenship, even political participation in the Knesset.
  Furthermore, you need to read more about the UN 1948 treaty.  

What are you going to do when your new friends, the Muslims, come to circumcise your daughter?  Or, string her up for being accused of breaking some morality law?

“With friends like yours, who needs enemies”   (My Dad)

Purveyor

NIce work LALA,

Keep up the good work

Purveyor

Interesting assertions:  I will look into such.

However, warfare uses many weapons.  The Israeli’s recognize that the Arabs could breed Israel out of existence.  Which is more immoral, the purposeful breeding of human beings to fight a war, or, fighting back against those human beings to save one’s self and culture?

Purveyor

SHOGAN,

You have a few things confused, did you deliberately misinterpret the “disengagement plan” so as to support your version of events?  (Did you deliberately lie?)

Ergo, I must question the entire text of your assertions.

Purveyor

In 1848 there were around 800,000 Jews living Arab countries. Today there are fewer than 6,400. Several countries have none. They were killed or driven out by the Arabs between 1948 and the early 1970s. Jordan annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 1948, didn’t relinquish the claim until 1988, put the Palestinians in camps, and then threw them out entirely. What you have written could be part of a description of how the Arabs have treated Jews as well as the Palestinians, except you didn’t mention the murder of Jews by the Arabs.

Shut up Purveyor 1

When did Hitler do that?

I wish I hated my political opponents enough to be able to justify the pepper-spraying of an innocent 84 year old woman. You people do some of the most extraordinary mental gymnastics to turn EVERYTHING into a partisan issue and it’s why you’re all going to die very, very stupid.

Please read it again.  ”Police officer”.  That means ‘one’, not all.  I said the police officer who sprayed the pepper spray is an asshole, not all police are assholes.

Do you know that she committed a crime?  Do you have evidence that she did?

Yes, she was there by choice.  It doesn’t matter if she knew what would or wouldn’t happen.  The police acted inappropriately towards unarmed, non-violent citizens.  

Quit putting the cart before the horse.  

Please pick up a copy of ‘Trolling for Dummies’.  This is probably the most idiotic insult I’ve ever seen.

She is innocent as long as she didn’t commit any crimes.  Do you have any evidence that she committed any crimes, other than engaging in her Constitutional right to protest?

In written English, an ‘s’ at the end of a noun indicates plural.  When the ‘s’ is not there, it means singular, as in ‘police officer’.  

I’m glad to see that you’re obsessing over your mis-comprehension of my comment.

Pedantic Purveyor,

“Arabs that reside in Israel have full citizenship, even political participation in the Knesset.”

Yes, they do.  That does not change the fact that there are institutional and legal challenges faced by Palestinians that are not faced by Jewish Israelis.  That does not change the fact that Israel has policies that segregate Palestinian and Israelis in terms of settlements.  That does not change the fact that the expansion of ‘Jewish only’ settlements displace thousands of innocent Palestinian families.

“Furthermore, you need to read more about the UN 1948 treaty.”

That’s absurd.  How does the treaty of 1948 have anything to do with modern policy in modern Israel?  That’s like telling someone “You want to know everything about modern America?  Read the Treaty of Paris!”.

“What are you going to do when your new friends, the Muslims, come to circumcise your daughter?  Or, string her up for being accused of breaking some morality law?”

Yeah, that won’t happen.  First, because I live in the United States and we have this little amendment that prevents the government from establishing a state religion, thus preventing the implementation of your dreaded sharia law.  Second, you must be incredibly dense to broad brush all muslims as followers of sharia law.  

“”With friends like yours, who needs enemies”   (My Dad)”Yep.  I’m sure your dad coined that phrase.  

If I were to try and write a reply with the intention of irritating another person, I most certainly would not try to direct the person’s attention to it.  It has more effect when they find it on their own.

Having said that, how would this irritate me?  

I know.  If everything was so black and white, life would be a lot easier.

I blame god for bestowing upon me an understanding and appreciation for ambiguity and nuance.

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shogan,

UN resolutions aren’t worth spit when it comes to Israel. 

“TMP”

I am aware that they don’t mean much of anything.  That’s the point I’m making in regards to the treaty of 1948.

Abruptly ending the conversation?  I guess that means you cannot find the means in which to argue against my assertion.

SHOGAN,

Unfortunately, we are now off topic.  I’ll take responsibility for such as apparently, I “irritated ” you, thus distracting you?

As the King of Hearts said to Alice–”begin at the beginning”  A fine idea?

All A’s are B’s.  C is an A, ergo, C is a B.

A simple syllogism, thus your first lesson in logic.  Seeing as how you and so many of your “comrades” have been functioning on “pathos,” with an unfounded quantity of “ethos,” hence, you have arrived at many erroneous conclusions.  I am offering you a few simple lessons in “logos?”

If you are a chess player, or, if not, imagine attempting to win a chess game, based on YOUR “ethos” and “pathos,” while your opponent, (ME) plays by the calm, cool, calculation of “reason”…? (logos)

The Purveyor of Rhetoric

The UN is a farce. Israel has the right to do anything they want to do to survive as a sovereign Nation. You’re attempt to make them out to be something they are not isn’t worth spit either.

“TMP”

A rather long-winded, and dare I say, pedantic way to call me a ‘bleeding heart’.  

I couldn’t care less.  

FARNSWORTH,

Does the 1st amendment, protect all forms of speech?  

I suppose we should define “speech,” what is “speech?”  Is speech, written, oral, a painting, an action, can a dance or religious activity, (ingesting peyote) that is based on “sincerely held beliefs,” be considered” speech?”

Furthermore, are all forms of “speech” equal, and should be protected, equally?

What about laws against the commission of “Fraud?”  Wasn’t Madoff simply exercising his 1st amendment rights?  Or how about a man named “Schenck,” in 1919, who was convicted of espionage for “printing and circulating” documents against the war in Europe, to enlisted men.  Were Schenk’s actions protected by free speech?

What about the OWS crew blocking intersections and occupying parks, etc., is that protected speech?

ARE YOU SURE?

FARNSWORTH, you have a long way to go before you will understand the Constitution.  BUT, that isn’t the point, is it.  YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION, DO YOU?  In fact, you care very little about the Constitution, and you have a very different agenda than the Founding Fathers and contemporary Patriots, such as me, don’t you?

Yet, you use the document as a shield to commit your crimes, don’t you?  I see through your callous ploy and I intend to stop you.

Purveyor of Rhetoric

Don’t flatter yourself with feigned indifference.

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Maybe that’s how you feel, but I will call out and condemn any nation that openly discriminates and segregates a population of people solely on the basis of their ethnicity and religion.

I am not making Israel out to be anything more than what they are: a nation that openly and actively advances one ethnic group at the expense of another.  In short, an apartheid state.

QUOTE: “I am aware that they don’t mean much of anything.  Thats the point I’m making in regards to the treaty of 1948.”

Nonsense!  IF, you thought for a second, or, believed you had enough evidence contained within the United Nation’s, birth of Israel in 1948, to use against my position, you’d do such in a heart beat!  You are being grossly disingenuous SHOGAN.  You feign knowledge, or lack thereof, on the subject as a way of saving face.  (Lenin would pat you the back–nice try Comrade)

Despite every subsequent “UN Resolution” from 1948 onward, without the background knowledge about how Israel became Israel, all YOU can espouse is Leftist propaganda along with that from, perhaps, the most dangerous theocratic culture in human history!  What is worse, is that you do so willingly?

Purveyor

“Nonsense!  IF, you thought for a second, or, believed you had enough evidence contained within the United Nation’s, birth of Israel in 1948, to use against my position, you’d do such in a heart beat!  You are being grossly disingenuous SHOGAN.  You feign knowledge, or lack thereof, on the subject as a way of saving face.  (Lenin would pat you the back–nice try Comrade)”

Seriously?  This coming from a person who gives ‘undue display of education’ a bad name?  This coming from a person who prefers to halt a conversation with the childish retort ‘no comment’?  The reason why the UN resolution doesn’t matter much in regards to the current state of Israeli-Palestinian relations is because the Arab-Israeli War, which came after the resolution and the British mandate and was the true moment that Israel gained sovereign statehood, was the initial cause of the Palestinian ’Catastrophe’.  

“Despite every subsequent “UN Resolution” from 1948 onward, without the background knowledge about how Israel became Israel, all YOU can espouse is Leftist propaganda along with that from, perhaps, the most dangerous theocratic culture in human history!  What is worse, is that you do so willingly?”Actually, I am very aware of how Israel became Israel.  And what I espouse is not ‘leftist propaganda’, it’s the general understanding held by nearly every other country aside from Israel and the United States.Islam most certainly does not have a monopoly on theocracy.  Dare I remind you that the church had a vast monopoly of power over Western states and culture beginning from the conversion of Rome to the beginning of the Enlightenment and Protestant Reformation?What I find worst is when a person who makes every effort to construct a persona of intelligence betrays such efforts by ending a declarative sentence with a question mark.

First you have to prove that that’s their intent and so far you haven’t. They do spend a lot of time identifying their enemies but that’s not discriminating or segregating anyone, to the contrary, many who are not of the Jewish faith and heritage prefer to live in Israel because of the safety and freedom they enjoy.

“TMP”

Right on, I mean just because the DC OWS crowd kicked a 82 year old woman in a wheelchair down the steps doesn’t make them bad.

Wow, does this now mean OWS has their own sh!t tent city Rosa Parks?

Surely you jest?  What next, expect them to actually expose the rampant corruption in the Obama white hut?

Shhhh. Mediate and their fellow LSM cohorts are sworn to secrecy to never speak ill of Obama, dems, libs and above all, of the OWS gang.

Chocolate has Hitler confused with the Puritans, who did much worse to non-believers.

I could care less about the intent if the end result of their policy is the segregation and discrimination of thousands of innocent people.  Imposing Jewish-only settlements in the West Bank at the expense of Palestinian families is not ‘identifying enemies’.

However, I will not argue against the fact that most of Israel’s surrounding countries would treat the Palestinians badly, as well.  My major contention is that Israel is benefiting from our tax money while engaging in institutional discrimination.

QUOTE:  ”A nation that openly and actively advances one ethnic group at the expense of another.  In short, an apartheid state.”

Apparently, you don’t realize that your assertion is much more appropriate regarding Islam and any Islamic Nation?  Islam is the most culturally biased group, perhaps, in human history?

QUOTE: “I will call out and condemn any nation that openly discriminates and segregates, solely on the basis of their ethnicity or religion.”

Islam has been discriminating against Jews for centuries and currently is threatening Coptic Christians in Egypt, with extermination? (Question mark, in case you missed it)  Let’s see you work your way out of this one?  Ouch!

How about a nice game of chess?

Purveyor

Once again,

First you have to prove that that’s their intent and so far you haven’t. They do spend a lot of time identifying their enemies but that’s not discriminating or segregating anyone, to the contrary, many who are not of the Jewish faith and heritage [Arabs] prefer to live in Israel because of the safety and freedom they enjoy.

You’re just repeating yourself as I have had to do because you seem to think that Jewish-only settlements are a sign of discrimination and segregation. Something that you refuse to take note of is the ongoing war in Israel and the constant deaths from rocket attacks, attacks on Israeli communities and terror bombings by the very people you claimed are being discriminated against.

If the situation was different then you would see a different treatment of those people you are trying to present as being discriminated against.

Sorry but I live in the real world and not your fantasy world. I will not condemn a Nation for trying to defend itself from its Enemies from within or outside its borders.

“TMP”

“TMP”

“Apparently, you don’t realize that your assertion is much more appropriate regarding Islam and any Islamic Nation?”

You do realize that we don’t give $3 billion of dollars a year to those countries, right?  And you’re making a pretty big assumption that since I don’t mention all nations that engage in such behavior that I am either ignorant or permissive of such slights towards human rights.  You’re wrong.  I have opposition to any government that is discriminatory or favors one ethnic group over another.  

“Islam is the most culturally biased group, perhaps, in human history?”

A baseless assertion.  And Islam is not a group, it’s a religion. 

“Islam has been discriminating against Jews for centuries and currently is threatening Coptic Christians in Egypt, with extermination?”

Point being?  I am vocally against that, as well.  Just because I have been speaking specifically about Israel (and have only been doing so since the topic of discussion has been Israel and not Egypt) does not mean, as I said above, that I am permissive or ignorant of such atrocities.  

“ (Question mark, in case you missed it) ”

It doesn’t bug me that you’re using a question mark at the end of a declarative sentence.  I’m not the one coming off like they failed third grade grammar.  

Purveyor:
Long time no see, buddy! LOVED your post!

Would you have as much compassion if she were on the other side?

Ooh, you dirty-minded guy! I was actually thinking the same thing, but I’d never have the guts to say it on Mediaite!

Now that you mention it, there is a resemblance!

Once again, intent doesn’t mean anything.  Someone’s intention could very well be the opposite of the outcome.  If the policy results in a segregated community, then the policy is flawed and needs to be either amended or repealed.  

“You’re just repeating yourself as I have had to do because you seem to think that Jewish-only settlements are a sign of discrimination and segregation.”

A settlement that is off-limits to people on the basis of ethnicity IS segregation and discrimination.  It doesn’t matter if that’s their intent, the end result is people being divided and treated differently by state institutions.  That, by definition, is segregation and discrimination.

“ Something that you refuse to take note of is the ongoing war in Israel and the constant deaths from rocket attacks, attacks on Israeli communities and terror bombings by the very people you claimed are being discriminated against.”

I don’t lose sight of that, at all.  That still does not justify Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.  Considering the current ‘existential’ threat to the United States is groups of militant radical, fundamentalist Muslims, would you suggest that we require any child that is a product of a marriage between a muslim immigrant and an American citizen to leave the country by age 12?

“ I will not condemn a Nation for trying to defend itself from its Enemies from within or outside its borders.”You can protect yourself without infringing on the rights of others.  I have no issue with Israel defending itself.  I take issue with how they do it.

Purveyor, you really do have a gift. I’m envious.

“Something that you refuse to take note of is the ongoing war in Israel and the constant deaths from rocket attacks, attacks on Israeli communities and terror bombings by the very people you claimed are being discriminated against.”

And by the way, it is neither the whole nor the majority of Palestinian people that engage in such horrible acts.  Perhaps you forget this yourself.

My, my, my. Where are our minds? (LOL)

They may be that way from birth.

I haven’t forgotten anything shogan but I’m not the one who is trying to convince people that Israel is something it is not. Many Palestinians [Arabs] live in peace and safety under the Israeli constitution as I have already stated. You go and pull your nonsense and tricks with someone else shogan, they won’t work with me.

“TMP”

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She must have been really disappointed that she went there to get raped and instead got a face full of pepper spray.

grandma was protesting with the rest of the communist revolutionary scum. She knew the dangers of being there. 

Well they were knocked down by liberals so that doesnt count.

PHIL,

Thank you for the compliment. Curiously, there are/were a number of fairly bright Leftists on this thread that made for an entertaining dialogue.

I learned from the discourse in a number of ways. Simply verifying their assertions provoked new thoughts as well as stimulated old wisdom, long stored away.

Conversely, and unfortunately, I am certain the Leftist’s believe there was nothing worth while in my discussion. In fact, SHAGAN did not seem to understand that I was using question marks in the same way PLato would have while engaged in oral discussion. That I was hoping he would consider the thought and/or question, hence, address or answer such.

Alas, they do believe they know it all. Just ask them?

“Dialectic philosophy”

Collateral damage….Wrong place, wrong time…..Whatever.
Looks like it really hurts….LOL

I’m not making Israel out to be anything else than that they’ve made themselves out to be.

LOL

Ya right! The BOOBS are over at Alternutz, go visit them for a while.

“TMP”

PHIL,

I’ve raised Blood Hounds all my adult life. 4 of them, Gomer, Floyd, Daisy Mae and Otis. All my hounds were pets and they went everywhere with me. They slept at the end of the bed, and they could find you no matter what. They were Blood Hounds!

On Tuesday I had to put down Otis. He was 13 and dying of cancer.

I wept like a child!

I just felt you would like to know and that you understand life’s highs and lows.

Purveyor

Look pal, I’ve been around for quite some time. I’ve lived through many of Israels problems both politically and Militarily so go spew your nonsense somewhere else.

As far as Israels treatment of the Palistinians is concerned (the basis for your rant to me) they were given the opportunity to become citizens which many refused to do because it would mean that they recognize Israel as a State. That was their decision, but the fact that Palestinians are killing Israeli citizen almost every day with their bombings, midnight attacks and daily rockets justifies the policies that they have developed to protect their citizens. If that’s not to your liking, well, I just don’t give a crap.

You only see what you want to see and that makes you a bias person who will never agree with the facts of life in Israel.

Please, take it somewhere else, your argument has become myopic and boring. This would all end if the Palestinians stopped trying to kill Israeli citizens and wipe the nation of Israel off the map. Your argument is not valid under the circumstances.

“Pisca mignato lontunis lr pasakykite det sataa”

“TMP”

She looks like Francis Fox Piven.  Hail to the Anarchists.  The old lady should have stayed home but she got what she was looking for.

What I want to know is who pushed her to front of the crowd to protect themselves?????

“TMP”

How is it that both “LIBERAL… YES, LIBERAL mayors have asked the police to TAKE OUT THE TRASH…” and “Liberals HATE the police?”

If the liberal mayors asked for police help… doesn’t that suggest that liberals don’t hate the police? 
And then there’s the fact that members of the police have indicated that they support OWS and the fact that OWS often reminds the police that they are also part of the 99% and that their jobs are on the line.

OWS hates police violence. Here in Portland, we had very few problems with clearing the park. There were at least 5,000 people gathered at midnight for the relocation, which didn’t occur until during the day when there were only 150 people, most of whom had already decided they wanted to be arrested. 

Conservatives are just jealous that the Tea Party wasn’t able to attract enough people to make anyone particularly nervous… and some of them even carried firearms and violence-themed signs!

Are you talking about the woman who was knocked down when the convention attendees rushed out of the building, bumping into her as she descended the stairs?

Why do you hate the 1st Amendment in action?

You’d have been throwing rocks at protesters during the original US revolution, I suspect. 

How’s it a double standard? There’s rather a huge difference between a woman being accidentally pushed by a rushing crowd and a woman getting a face full of pepper spray by an on-duty police officer.

You mean thugs like George Washington and the other anarchists who revolted against the entirely legal government of Britain that had been established in the Colonies? 

Revolution is inconvenient. Sorry if it caused you to miss a television program… 

Cops carry firearms, too. Shall I assume that any time I’m near a police officer during a tense moment that I might be shot?

Yeah, all my Jewish OWS friends are just self-haters. How do we know? Because Christians say so.

The hatefest is here on this wall. I’m frankly stunned by the unabashed judgment and condemnation of the people involved with the movement. Teachers, secretaries, nurses, college students, union members, parents, grandparents, VFW members, Vietnam vets, Iraq vets… although the youngest members tend toward college age liberal, I’ve seen a surprising number of middle aged and elderly participants. 

One of the best things about OWS for me has been seeing young people hanging on every word that an elderly man or woman says. It’s vital that we bridge the age gap and hear what each other is saying.

No, you’re thinking of the French Revolution.  I wouldve thrown rocks at them. This has nothing in common with the American Revolution. 
I suspect you arent too fond of the TEA party either.

Keep believing what the government media tells you to believe. In the interview with the woman she makes it clear that she was pushed by the communist revolutionaries. 

Tommy sent his honey Helen Thomas out there to take one for the team.

i love how movements need one photo or one moment to get their point across……    I watch this while i get my point across without a moment,  without a sign or a bunch of press coverage….  I get my point across by going to work each day and betttering my family and my own financial standing by doing something called “WORK”  I spent 20 years in the army have no degree and make a great living by going out getting a job and going each day and proving myself this whole movement is based on “those people” have it better than me.   Well put down your street sign and fricken get to work getting yours and maybe the “worm will turn”

I agree, grandma should be more than wise enough to know better, probably a Bolshevik from way back. Also Pullizter? This was posed, she is looking straight at the camera

You are indeed dark.

I’ll give five bucks to the person that does!

“Fix bayonets”???

OWS is a misinterpretation of the first amendment and they are too thick to understand plain English.
The text is this:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If not at birth, soon thereafter. I think it is the lead teething rings…

Do you have to work at it to be this much of an idiot, or did you come by it naturally?

To me if the place they are setting up is Public Property, and they are an occupying force, they are violating another part of the Constitution. Art. III, Sec. 3: Treason

That’s how I see it. This is a military invasion, seize and hold territory operation, complete with massed troops and area denial tactics.

You’ve got me. I can’t come up with a clever retort except to say, OK…

Purveyor

Time for a ‘well regulated militia?’

Unfortunately it’s difficult to read your comment seriously when you obviously wrote before you read. I said I am NOT a part of OWS but you keep saying ‘YOU YOU YOU’  as you think I’m a part of it so unfortunately while you may have had a point or not I can’t really give the time of day if you can’t spend two seconds reading before blowing your top.

Not really hurting dude. I didn’t say he was sitting there with his quill and ink pot.

Prove this….  or else I can just rebut with no they support the tea party and I didn’t make it u p!

I am a cop and before that a soldier… and I support the OWS movement…. so do many of my brethren. Lala. 

You incorrigible meaney!

LOL

What, no comment on my familiarity with Henry V, and St. Crispen’s Day?

Truthfully, I was curious as to why you chose to sign off “Saint Crispen?”

Purveyor

Top-o-the morning,

I have been re-reading this thread and there was good information argued and exchanged.  SO THERE and DODADIO were among those who contributed and challenged. (Note: My criticism of your listening skills, not withstanding. Respectfully)  On a positive note, you are pugnacious and confident enough to tackle many and diverse issues.

I offer a purely academic observation:  The same way you tend view Israel, you also view your Homeland.  That is a very broad statement that I could expound on, but, I suggest you cogitate on such?  Your Posts reflect very similar views and desires about each nation.  Both Israel and America are beacon’s of light in what has become a sad and dreary world.  Yet, that seems to bother you, why?

Would you prefer to lower the standards of civility to accommodate a substantively weak culture, or would you rather raise their goals and aspirations?

SHOGAN,  I am student of Plato and “dialectic” philosophy, among other schools of thought.  Which accounts for my use of question and answer.  Plato would sit with his students on the temple steps and ask questions of his students, he seldom lectured.

Anyway, I enjoyed the conversation.

Purveyor

Are you attempting to ignorantly imply that police use their guns for crowd control?  Let me put you at ease, they don’t.

Teresa Darklady Reed.

How convenient that you have Jewish friends, don’t we all?  Doubts about your OWS “Jewish friends” holding anti-semetic signs or harassing Jews on the streets, are your friends ok with that, mine aren’t.

Now that the movement is down to a 33% approval rating, I’m assuming that the support of a lot of those teachears, cops, firemen, nurses, etc. dropped off; and I can’t for the life of me believe that 33% is made up of those members of society that you specified.  It appears that most of what is left are……hateful protesters.  Nice touch following children to school yesterday, harassing them and their parents.  Sweet.

Hanging on every word of an elderly person?  That’s new to you?  What a strange world you live in.

Shogun83 did not watch the video.  It was a line of officers spraying into the crowd to get them to disperse, not just one officer.  It’s common knowledge that police use pepper spray.

She wasn’t arrested, she placed herself in the midst of an unruly crowd and got sprayed.  Case closed.

Protests can be regulated, see how close you can get to protest a Dem or Republican convention.  Protesters are confined to a single area blocks away, behind fencing.

Good morning to you,

To answer your question, I refuse to be complacent on matters of human rights and equality.  Yes, the US has come a long way from, say, 100 years ago, but there is still the need for improvement.  In regards to Israel, I am very unhappy that some of our tax money is being used to set up segregated Jewish-only settlements.

I don’t necessarily have similar views of both countries, but I most certainly have similar desires for all nations.  Specifically, I would like all countries to no longer have policies that institutionalize discrimination and segregation.  The issue of human prejudice, having its basis in our biology (it’s the result of an evolutionarily-developed reliance on heuristics), is much more difficult to deal with but tends to get much better once institutionalized prejudice is done away with.

I guess you can say that I want the US to be a brighter light than it is now.

I am so sorry for your loss purveyor, I still mourn for my lifetime friend(Springer)  that we lost six years ago, she had cancer in her kidneys.  Hope your days get easier, we tell ourselves they are no longer suffering, and that’s true, but we still suffer our loss of these noble souls.

There was no hate involved, the police had a job to do and they did it and now, because that woman happened to be in the crowd the police  were tasked to control, the limp wrists are outraged and using the incident to beat up the police  and “political opponents.”  Sorry, you are attempting to sell stale bread, not interested.

She looks like Helen Thomas.

It is unfortunate that you misinterpreted my post. It was not directed at you personally, rather at the fallacy that the OWS movement is a peaceful assembly and they are petitioning the government for redress of grievances.

You chose to personalize the use of the word you in my comments, I did not use your screen name to point any part of this comment at you. The comments were not made in anger, but if that is what you want to read into them that is your choice. The final sentence was addressed to OWS supporters in general, and no person in particular.

It seems that there is little in the way of a distinction between the OWS and the people who are on the scene at the protests. If they are not in agreement, then why have they done nothing to remove themselves or the outsiders who are causing these incidents? According to OWS they have their own internal security, which by the results so far have shown themselves incompetent or at least ineffective in providing safety or security at the OWS movement camps across the country.

Perhaps the assertion that OWS does not define themselves as liberals is accurate, but from outward appearances they seem to be very left wing. People have a tendency to like to compartmentalize politics, which I suppose is the nature of politics itself. I have seen little if any evidence that OWS has much of a conservative influence. They seem to prefer anarchy and chaos to any kind of government system except for totalitarianism with them in charge.

Since this is a comment site to begin with, if you don’t like what is said then you should consider finding a site which reflects what your beliefs are instead of condemning someone you don’t know for disagreeing with what you said.

I feel that I have addressed enough of your itemized list, so let’s just leave it here.

Yes, I know… and to think of all the money my poor mother spent on all those years of corrigible lessons.
The shame of it is a deep wound in my psyche, what ever that is.

RIO,

Thank you.

I held my old chum in my arms and felt his life pass.  A last act of commitment and love, I owed him that for years of companionship.  God it hurt, as you well know.

Thanks again

Your comment on pushing her to the front, “to protect themselves,”  the more I think about it, carries  deeper philosophical meaning than at first glance…

Is it a “weakness” to desire that victory contain honor and self respect, hence, risks becoming pyrrhic, without?  Or, as our youth have recently been taught, that honor is a form of weakness that puts the ultimate victory, (Death, destruction and pseudo homogeneity) at risk?  I suppose the Left would argue that we “water board,” etc., so we are just as bad?  Which is an argument off premise, but one the left uses constantly…comparing the incomparable, so to speak.

How did so many American’s come to sell their soul?  Socialism is an evolutionary degeneration of our our species, NOT an aspiration.

Purveyor 

God, I would like 5 minutes in a locked cage with you.

We can set up a meeting if you’d like…

Looks like the Tea Party’s support of anything that actually benefits anyone but their own selfish, uneducated, fascist agenda’s is receiving the support of the nation’s richest, and the nation’s most ignorant.  Don’t be an idiot.  Unless you are making 250,000 dollars a year, the OWS movement has the potential to raise issues that will help you.  

Wow…that looks like a screen shot from last night’s episode of  the “Walking Dead”