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		<title>By: eingriff</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bag one of those discarded cigarettes for me so I can have the Great Pretender&#039;s epithelials checked, to determine whether he is a cyborg (unlikely) or the son of a Luo tribesman (equally unlikely).</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Doubleblow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Doubleblow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>harleyrider1978 can you tell me where you found that research, i have court on the 4th of march, and statistic will be great if i want them to sleep through what i&#039;m saying</description>
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		<title>By: Investigate Big pHARMa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Investigate Big pHARMa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 05:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, I wonder if Obama&#039;s still addicted to Nicorette?  Wonder if he&#039;ll have the same health issues THESE users have had:
http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=18612&amp;name=NICORETTE&amp;page=1
Wonder what he&#039;d look like with his hair falling out like THESE users? Or skin lesions, that&#039;d be pretty for our Pres.  

Maybe if he hadn&#039;t appointed a LOBBYIST (no!) from Tobacco-Free Kids to Health and Human Services (over the FDA) someone might actually have taken a look at the harm from nicotine REPLACEMENT products.  

Let&#039;s see.  Nicotine is addictive, so big pHARMa gets the government to pay for and pass out &quot;free&quot; patches, gum and lozenges.  
Even though there is a strong link to oral cancer from the gum and lozenges: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6143744.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&amp;attr=797084
Even though this study shows more people quit cold turkey, the federal guidelines instruct doctors to PUSH the drugs:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-02/plos-nrt020410.php
Even though quitting smoking makes you 80%-90% MORE LIKELY to develop Type 2 Diabetes:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/01/04/diabetes.smoking.risks/index.html
Even though the patches has a 98.4% FAILURE rate for quitting 1 year or longer:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/338/apr02_3/b1024

What you all do not know is that the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation funded smoking bans (aka tobacco control).  RWJF was created by the founder of Johnson &amp; Johnson.  RWJF owns, as of last annual report, 42,343,391 shares of JnJ stock.  Johnson &amp; Johnson profits from the sales of Nicorette, Nicoderm and Commit.  They have the market CORNERED on over-the-counter nicotine REPLACEMENT.

I guess it&#039;ll take Obama having his hair fall out to investigate this fraud.   He&#039;s already proven the ineffectiveness of big pHARMa&#039;s products.  Then again, maybe they&#039;ll push through the $75,000,000 in the stimulus plan for NICOTINE REPLACEMENT!  

Big pHARMa is taking a big risk getting the Prez addicted to their gum!  According to users, he has this to look forward to:
extreme hair loss
ADDICTION to the gum, even more so than cigarettes
high blood pressure
skin lesions
gastric problems 
inability to control diabetes
liver function problems

Then again, if all this DOES happen to the President, maybe we&#039;ll finally get an investigation into these people.

BTW, they&#039;re the ones pushing the obesity &quot;epidemic&quot;.  Their CEO has been to the White House nearly twice as many times as Hillary Clinton.  RWJF pushes for taxing soda with sugar.  Want to take a guess on who owns SPLENDA?  EthiconEndo just funded a study that claims it&#039;s more cost effective to have insurance or Medicare pay for weight reduction surgery than the costs associated with &quot;obesity&quot;.  EthiconEndo owns the lapband surgery medical device.  EthiconEndo is a Johnson &amp; Johnson Company.

I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, I wonder if Obama&#8217;s still addicted to Nicorette?  Wonder if he&#8217;ll have the same health issues THESE users have had:<br />
<a href="http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=18612&#038;name=NICORETTE&#038;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=18612&#038;name=NICORETTE&#038;page=1</a><br />
Wonder what he&#8217;d look like with his hair falling out like THESE users? Or skin lesions, that&#8217;d be pretty for our Pres.  </p>
<p>Maybe if he hadn&#8217;t appointed a LOBBYIST (no!) from Tobacco-Free Kids to Health and Human Services (over the FDA) someone might actually have taken a look at the harm from nicotine REPLACEMENT products.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see.  Nicotine is addictive, so big pHARMa gets the government to pay for and pass out &#8220;free&#8221; patches, gum and lozenges.<br />
Even though there is a strong link to oral cancer from the gum and lozenges: <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6143744.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&#038;attr=797084" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6143744.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&#038;attr=797084</a><br />
Even though this study shows more people quit cold turkey, the federal guidelines instruct doctors to PUSH the drugs:<br />
<a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-02/plos-nrt020410.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-02/plos-nrt020410.php</a><br />
Even though quitting smoking makes you 80%-90% MORE LIKELY to develop Type 2 Diabetes:<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/01/04/diabetes.smoking.risks/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/01/04/diabetes.smoking.risks/index.html</a><br />
Even though the patches has a 98.4% FAILURE rate for quitting 1 year or longer:<br />
<a href="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/338/apr02_3/b1024" rel="nofollow">http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/338/apr02_3/b1024</a></p>
<p>What you all do not know is that the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation funded smoking bans (aka tobacco control).  RWJF was created by the founder of Johnson &amp; Johnson.  RWJF owns, as of last annual report, 42,343,391 shares of JnJ stock.  Johnson &amp; Johnson profits from the sales of Nicorette, Nicoderm and Commit.  They have the market CORNERED on over-the-counter nicotine REPLACEMENT.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;ll take Obama having his hair fall out to investigate this fraud.   He&#8217;s already proven the ineffectiveness of big pHARMa&#8217;s products.  Then again, maybe they&#8217;ll push through the $75,000,000 in the stimulus plan for NICOTINE REPLACEMENT!  </p>
<p>Big pHARMa is taking a big risk getting the Prez addicted to their gum!  According to users, he has this to look forward to:<br />
extreme hair loss<br />
ADDICTION to the gum, even more so than cigarettes<br />
high blood pressure<br />
skin lesions<br />
gastric problems<br />
inability to control diabetes<br />
liver function problems</p>
<p>Then again, if all this DOES happen to the President, maybe we&#8217;ll finally get an investigation into these people.</p>
<p>BTW, they&#8217;re the ones pushing the obesity &#8220;epidemic&#8221;.  Their CEO has been to the White House nearly twice as many times as Hillary Clinton.  RWJF pushes for taxing soda with sugar.  Want to take a guess on who owns SPLENDA?  EthiconEndo just funded a study that claims it&#8217;s more cost effective to have insurance or Medicare pay for weight reduction surgery than the costs associated with &#8220;obesity&#8221;.  EthiconEndo owns the lapband surgery medical device.  EthiconEndo is a Johnson &amp; Johnson Company.</p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: harleyrider1978</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bidens a schmoker too!skin it joe.</description>
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		<title>By: Narutoboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narutoboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Biden -- a puff a way from the presidency</description>
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		<title>By: harleyrider1978</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Tobacco Prohibition

 I would like to take the time to tell the entire community about a falsehood so big that everyone who believes in freedom should be appauled. 
 This falsehood is so big it resonates from historical fact forward to this day. This falsehood is so big billions of dollars have been spent to make it believable to those of us who dont take the time to look up the facts.
 We all remember reading about alcohol prohibition,but did you know there was also tobacco prohibition going on before alcohol became such a target of the last nanny staters.
 Our great grandparents lived thru prohibition and the great depression,they also lived thru tobacco prohibition.

 Heres a time line starting in 1900,dont be surprised to see the same thing playing out today nearly 100 years later.

1901: REGULATION: Strong anti-cigarette activity in 43 of the 45 states. &quot;Only Wyoming and Louisiana had paid no attention to the cigarette controversy, while the other forty-three states either already had anti-cigarette laws on the books or were considering new or tougher anti-cigarette laws, or were the scenes of heavy anti- cigarette activity&quot; (Dillow, 1981:10).

1904: New York: A judge sends a woman is sent to jail for 30 days for smoking in front of her children. 

1904: New York City. A woman is arrested for smoking a cigarette in an automobile. &quot;You can&#039;t do that on Fifth Avenue,&quot; the arresting officer says.

1907: Business owners are refusing to hire smokers. On August 8, the New York Times writes: &quot;Business ... is doing what all the anti-cigarette specialists could not do.&quot;

 1917: SMOKEFREE: Tobacco control laws have fallen, including smoking bans in numerous cities, and the states of Arkansas, Iowa, Idaho and Tennessee.

1937: hitler institutes laws against smoking.This one you can google. 

Now onto the falsehood......

We have been told for years by smoke free advocates that second hand smoke is the cause of everything from johnnys ear ache to cousin ED&#039;S lung cancer. But wheres the proof!!!

Remember they claim 50,000 deaths a year yet,there are no bodys not even mass graves of the dead to second hand smoke.We await the names of these victims.

 A simple stroll down historys road say 10 years or so and we start to get at the truth......
 
 A federal Judge by the name of osteen got a case dropped in his lap in North Carolina,the case was that of EPA&#039;S study on second hand smoke/environmental tobacco smoke.The judge an anti-tobbaco judge by reputation spent 4 years going thru the study and interviewing scientists at EPA and came to the conclusion :
            
                       JUNK SCIENCE

&#039;&#039;EPA&#039;s 1992 conclusions are not supported by reliable scientific evidence. The report has been largely discredited and, in 1998, was legally vacated by a federal judge.Before its 1992 report, EPA had always used epidemiology&#039;s gold standard CI of 95 percent to measure statistical significance. But because the U.S. studies chosen[cherry picked] for the report were not statistically significant within a 95 percent CI, for the first time in its history EPA changed the rules and used a 90 percent CI, which doubled the chance of being wrong.

This allowed it to report a statistically significant 19 percent increase [a 1.19rr] of lung cancer cases in the nonsmoking spouses of smokers over those cases found in nonsmoking spouses of nonsmokers. Even though the RR was only 1.19--an amount far short of what is normally required to demonstrate correlation or causality--the agency concluded this was proof SHS increased the risk of U.S. nonsmokers developing lung cancer by 19 percent.&#039;&#039;

 So here we find that second hand smoke was made a political scapegoat by EPA.Lets not forget how EPA has reworked the global warming studys just this last summer. Where its top scientists paper was rebuked because it didnt carry the EPA&#039;S stand that global warming was real.

 The political shenanigans surrounding SHS/ETS go deep not only with the government and its health agencies but also to the big pharmaceutical companies and non-profit orginizations aka ACS,ALA,AHA and a meriad of others. All lobbying for smoking bans and their weapon of choise Propaganda paid for by big pharma and tax dollars. Studys made to order that second hand smoke is deadly. Take a memory note here too,over 250 studys on shs/ets have found it safe.

 Yet a simple look at the chemistry shows us that its:

 About 90% of secondary smoke is composed of water vapor and ordinary air with a minor amount of carbon dioxide. The volume of water vapor of second hand smoke becomes even larger as it qickly disperses into the air,depending upon the humidity factors within a set location indoors or outdoors. Exhaled smoke from a smoker will provide 20% more water vapor to the smoke as it exists the smokers mouth.

 4 % is carbon monoxide. 

 6 % is those supposed 4,000 chemicals to be  found in tobacco smoke. Unfortunatley for the smoke free advocates these supposed chemicals are more theorized than actually found.What is found is so small to even call them threats to humans is beyond belief.Nanograms,picograms and femptograms......
 (1989 Report of the Surgeon General p. 80). 


 Now, how odd that when we search the smoke free activists sites not one of them mentions that water vapor and air are the main components of second hand smoke. Is this just a fluke or an outright omission to further their political healthscare against the general public.

 The last informative tid bit I have for you is what does OSHA have to say about all this secondhand smoke stuff.

 Here is where it gets interesting,it seems John Banzhaf, founder and president of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) decided to sue OSHA to make a rule on shs/ets not that OSHA didnt want to play ball with him,its just that the scientific facts didnt back up a rule to start with.

 Now for a rule to happen Osha has to send out for comments for a period of time and boy did the comments fly in, over 40,000 of them....Osha has whats called PEL&#039;S and limits for an 8 hour period of exposure to chemicals in indoor environments...[epa is in charge of outdoor air]some smoke free groups have tried to use 30 minute air samples using epa monitoring to create a air borne healthscare.

 The actual standard to use is OSHA&#039;S 

The EPA standard is to be used for OUTSIDE ambient air quality and it is the average over a period of 3 years.
 
The proper standard to compare to is the OSHA standard for indoor air quality for respirable particulate (not otherwise specified) for nuisance dusts and smoke.  That standard is 5000 ug/m3 on a time-weighted average (8 hours a day, 5 days a week) and is intended to be protective of health over an average working life of 30 years!

 This is where second hand smoke really becomes a joke,remember its nearly 90% water vapor and air.....now lets get to the facts of toxicology and dose makes the poison:

  According to independent Public and Health Policy Research group, Littlewood &amp; Fennel of Austin, Tx, on the subject of secondhand smoke........

 They did the figures for what it takes to meet all of OSHA&#039;S minimum PEL&#039;S on shs/ets.......Did it ever set the debate on fire.

 They concluded that:
   
 All this is in a small sealed room 9x20 and must occur in ONE  HOUR.

For Benzo[a]pyrene, 222,000 cigarettes  

&quot;For Acetone, 118,000 cigarettes  

&quot;Toluene would require 50,000 packs of simultaneously smoldering cigarettes. 

 Acetaldehyde or Hydrazine, more than 14,000 smokers would need  to light up. 

&quot;For Hydroquinone, &quot;only&quot; 1250 cigarettes

 For arsenic 2 million 500,000 smokers at one time 

The same number of cigarettes required for the other so called chemicals in shs/ets will have the same outcomes.

 So,OSHA finally makes a statement on shs/ets :

 Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)...It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded.&quot; -Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting Sec&#039;y, OSHA, To Leroy J Pletten, PHD, July 8, 1997 

  WHAT! DILUTED BELOW PERMISSABLE LEVELS

 By the way ASH dropped their lawsuit because OSHA was going to make a rule and that rule would have been weak and been the law of the land,meaning no smoking bans would ever have been enacted anywhere,simply because an open window or a ventilation system would have covered the rule.


 Let me also tell you that the relative risk for shs/ets by the SG report of 2006 was a 1.19 &#039;&#039;EPA study is whats used to call it a carcinogen&#039;&#039;......milks is a 2.43 and that glass of chlorinated water your about to drink is a 1.25 yet these things aren&#039;t determined to be a carcinogen....The gold standard in epidemiology is a 3.0....Now had the SURGEON GENERAL included 2 other shs/ets studys the relative risk for disease from shs/ets would have been nearer a.60-.70 meaning it would have a protective effect against ever getting disease.

 But,what each of us has is years and years of exposure and the knowledge that our kids all grew up around shs and generations of others,yet we are here alive not dead from a lousy 30 minute exposure to shs as stanton glantz tries to claim.....thats another story and its just as crazy as all the rest of smokefree&#039;s claim about shs/ets.

Oh! have you heard the one about &#039;&#039;laugh&#039;&#039; thirdhand smoke or third hand drinking.
 Like I said their claims border beyond that of any reasonable persons commomsence.

 The next time you see a healthscare claim
 consider the source.Especially if it comes from a government   or non profit agency!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Tobacco Prohibition</p>
<p> I would like to take the time to tell the entire community about a falsehood so big that everyone who believes in freedom should be appauled.<br />
 This falsehood is so big it resonates from historical fact forward to this day. This falsehood is so big billions of dollars have been spent to make it believable to those of us who dont take the time to look up the facts.<br />
 We all remember reading about alcohol prohibition,but did you know there was also tobacco prohibition going on before alcohol became such a target of the last nanny staters.<br />
 Our great grandparents lived thru prohibition and the great depression,they also lived thru tobacco prohibition.</p>
<p> Heres a time line starting in 1900,dont be surprised to see the same thing playing out today nearly 100 years later.</p>
<p>1901: REGULATION: Strong anti-cigarette activity in 43 of the 45 states. &#8220;Only Wyoming and Louisiana had paid no attention to the cigarette controversy, while the other forty-three states either already had anti-cigarette laws on the books or were considering new or tougher anti-cigarette laws, or were the scenes of heavy anti- cigarette activity&#8221; (Dillow, 1981:10).</p>
<p>1904: New York: A judge sends a woman is sent to jail for 30 days for smoking in front of her children. </p>
<p>1904: New York City. A woman is arrested for smoking a cigarette in an automobile. &#8220;You can&#8217;t do that on Fifth Avenue,&#8221; the arresting officer says.</p>
<p>1907: Business owners are refusing to hire smokers. On August 8, the New York Times writes: &#8220;Business &#8230; is doing what all the anti-cigarette specialists could not do.&#8221;</p>
<p> 1917: SMOKEFREE: Tobacco control laws have fallen, including smoking bans in numerous cities, and the states of Arkansas, Iowa, Idaho and Tennessee.</p>
<p>1937: hitler institutes laws against smoking.This one you can google. </p>
<p>Now onto the falsehood&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>We have been told for years by smoke free advocates that second hand smoke is the cause of everything from johnnys ear ache to cousin ED&#8217;S lung cancer. But wheres the proof!!!</p>
<p>Remember they claim 50,000 deaths a year yet,there are no bodys not even mass graves of the dead to second hand smoke.We await the names of these victims.</p>
<p> A simple stroll down historys road say 10 years or so and we start to get at the truth&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p> A federal Judge by the name of osteen got a case dropped in his lap in North Carolina,the case was that of EPA&#8217;S study on second hand smoke/environmental tobacco smoke.The judge an anti-tobbaco judge by reputation spent 4 years going thru the study and interviewing scientists at EPA and came to the conclusion :</p>
<p>                       JUNK SCIENCE</p>
<p>&#8221;EPA&#8217;s 1992 conclusions are not supported by reliable scientific evidence. The report has been largely discredited and, in 1998, was legally vacated by a federal judge.Before its 1992 report, EPA had always used epidemiology&#8217;s gold standard CI of 95 percent to measure statistical significance. But because the U.S. studies chosen[cherry picked] for the report were not statistically significant within a 95 percent CI, for the first time in its history EPA changed the rules and used a 90 percent CI, which doubled the chance of being wrong.</p>
<p>This allowed it to report a statistically significant 19 percent increase [a 1.19rr] of lung cancer cases in the nonsmoking spouses of smokers over those cases found in nonsmoking spouses of nonsmokers. Even though the RR was only 1.19&#8211;an amount far short of what is normally required to demonstrate correlation or causality&#8211;the agency concluded this was proof SHS increased the risk of U.S. nonsmokers developing lung cancer by 19 percent.&#8221;</p>
<p> So here we find that second hand smoke was made a political scapegoat by EPA.Lets not forget how EPA has reworked the global warming studys just this last summer. Where its top scientists paper was rebuked because it didnt carry the EPA&#8217;S stand that global warming was real.</p>
<p> The political shenanigans surrounding SHS/ETS go deep not only with the government and its health agencies but also to the big pharmaceutical companies and non-profit orginizations aka ACS,ALA,AHA and a meriad of others. All lobbying for smoking bans and their weapon of choise Propaganda paid for by big pharma and tax dollars. Studys made to order that second hand smoke is deadly. Take a memory note here too,over 250 studys on shs/ets have found it safe.</p>
<p> Yet a simple look at the chemistry shows us that its:</p>
<p> About 90% of secondary smoke is composed of water vapor and ordinary air with a minor amount of carbon dioxide. The volume of water vapor of second hand smoke becomes even larger as it qickly disperses into the air,depending upon the humidity factors within a set location indoors or outdoors. Exhaled smoke from a smoker will provide 20% more water vapor to the smoke as it exists the smokers mouth.</p>
<p> 4 % is carbon monoxide. </p>
<p> 6 % is those supposed 4,000 chemicals to be  found in tobacco smoke. Unfortunatley for the smoke free advocates these supposed chemicals are more theorized than actually found.What is found is so small to even call them threats to humans is beyond belief.Nanograms,picograms and femptograms&#8230;&#8230;<br />
 (1989 Report of the Surgeon General p. 80). </p>
<p> Now, how odd that when we search the smoke free activists sites not one of them mentions that water vapor and air are the main components of second hand smoke. Is this just a fluke or an outright omission to further their political healthscare against the general public.</p>
<p> The last informative tid bit I have for you is what does OSHA have to say about all this secondhand smoke stuff.</p>
<p> Here is where it gets interesting,it seems John Banzhaf, founder and president of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) decided to sue OSHA to make a rule on shs/ets not that OSHA didnt want to play ball with him,its just that the scientific facts didnt back up a rule to start with.</p>
<p> Now for a rule to happen Osha has to send out for comments for a period of time and boy did the comments fly in, over 40,000 of them&#8230;.Osha has whats called PEL&#8217;S and limits for an 8 hour period of exposure to chemicals in indoor environments&#8230;[epa is in charge of outdoor air]some smoke free groups have tried to use 30 minute air samples using epa monitoring to create a air borne healthscare.</p>
<p> The actual standard to use is OSHA&#8217;S </p>
<p>The EPA standard is to be used for OUTSIDE ambient air quality and it is the average over a period of 3 years.</p>
<p>The proper standard to compare to is the OSHA standard for indoor air quality for respirable particulate (not otherwise specified) for nuisance dusts and smoke.  That standard is 5000 ug/m3 on a time-weighted average (8 hours a day, 5 days a week) and is intended to be protective of health over an average working life of 30 years!</p>
<p> This is where second hand smoke really becomes a joke,remember its nearly 90% water vapor and air&#8230;..now lets get to the facts of toxicology and dose makes the poison:</p>
<p>  According to independent Public and Health Policy Research group, Littlewood &amp; Fennel of Austin, Tx, on the subject of secondhand smoke&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p> They did the figures for what it takes to meet all of OSHA&#8217;S minimum PEL&#8217;S on shs/ets&#8230;&#8230;.Did it ever set the debate on fire.</p>
<p> They concluded that:</p>
<p> All this is in a small sealed room 9&#215;20 and must occur in ONE  HOUR.</p>
<p>For Benzo[a]pyrene, 222,000 cigarettes  </p>
<p>&#8220;For Acetone, 118,000 cigarettes  </p>
<p>&#8220;Toluene would require 50,000 packs of simultaneously smoldering cigarettes. </p>
<p> Acetaldehyde or Hydrazine, more than 14,000 smokers would need  to light up. </p>
<p>&#8220;For Hydroquinone, &#8220;only&#8221; 1250 cigarettes</p>
<p> For arsenic 2 million 500,000 smokers at one time </p>
<p>The same number of cigarettes required for the other so called chemicals in shs/ets will have the same outcomes.</p>
<p> So,OSHA finally makes a statement on shs/ets :</p>
<p> Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)&#8230;It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded.&#8221; -Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting Sec&#8217;y, OSHA, To Leroy J Pletten, PHD, July 8, 1997 </p>
<p>  WHAT! DILUTED BELOW PERMISSABLE LEVELS</p>
<p> By the way ASH dropped their lawsuit because OSHA was going to make a rule and that rule would have been weak and been the law of the land,meaning no smoking bans would ever have been enacted anywhere,simply because an open window or a ventilation system would have covered the rule.</p>
<p> Let me also tell you that the relative risk for shs/ets by the SG report of 2006 was a 1.19 &#8221;EPA study is whats used to call it a carcinogen&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;milks is a 2.43 and that glass of chlorinated water your about to drink is a 1.25 yet these things aren&#8217;t determined to be a carcinogen&#8230;.The gold standard in epidemiology is a 3.0&#8230;.Now had the SURGEON GENERAL included 2 other shs/ets studys the relative risk for disease from shs/ets would have been nearer a.60-.70 meaning it would have a protective effect against ever getting disease.</p>
<p> But,what each of us has is years and years of exposure and the knowledge that our kids all grew up around shs and generations of others,yet we are here alive not dead from a lousy 30 minute exposure to shs as stanton glantz tries to claim&#8230;..thats another story and its just as crazy as all the rest of smokefree&#8217;s claim about shs/ets.</p>
<p>Oh! have you heard the one about &#8221;laugh&#8221; thirdhand smoke or third hand drinking.<br />
 Like I said their claims border beyond that of any reasonable persons commomsence.</p>
<p> The next time you see a healthscare claim<br />
 consider the source.Especially if it comes from a government   or non profit agency!</p>
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		<description>Now THAT&#039;S the stuff!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, guys.  You know it&#039;s not acceptable to report anything negative about the President.  You should pull this story immediately.  Certainly the New York Times would never run a story like this.  

Well, unless it was a Republican who was lighting up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, guys.  You know it&#8217;s not acceptable to report anything negative about the President.  You should pull this story immediately.  Certainly the New York Times would never run a story like this.  </p>
<p>Well, unless it was a Republican who was lighting up.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  Funny, intelligent, and non-partisan!  Are you sure you&#039;re in the right comments section?</description>
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		<title>By: marcus.lewis</title>
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		<description>You missed a couple points that dispute the cyborg:

1) While he has 20/20 vision in both eyes, he also is nearsighted with mild myopia, presbyopia, and astigmatism which can lead to occasional headaches.

2) His left knee isn&#039;t the best condition with mild patellar crepitus (grinding) and has some weakness in his left hip rotation.

3) He had a LDL Cholesterol level of 138 and he needs to get it down to below 130.


So I say to you this, sir.  Would any self-respecting Cyborg ever have to contend with these issues?  No!  The Cyborg would of had these issues fixed before they ever occurred!  Just like the typical pontificator making declaratory  opinions as near facts.  Its clear he is not a cyborg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed a couple points that dispute the cyborg:</p>
<p>1) While he has 20/20 vision in both eyes, he also is nearsighted with mild myopia, presbyopia, and astigmatism which can lead to occasional headaches.</p>
<p>2) His left knee isn&#8217;t the best condition with mild patellar crepitus (grinding) and has some weakness in his left hip rotation.</p>
<p>3) He had a LDL Cholesterol level of 138 and he needs to get it down to below 130.</p>
<p>So I say to you this, sir.  Would any self-respecting Cyborg ever have to contend with these issues?  No!  The Cyborg would of had these issues fixed before they ever occurred!  Just like the typical pontificator making declaratory  opinions as near facts.  Its clear he is not a cyborg.</p>
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