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		<title>By: LNSmithee</title>
		<link>http://www.mediaite.com/online/birthers-return-compare-obama-to-an-ape/#comment-12070</link>
		<dc:creator>LNSmithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t feel your website is website worthy, Eva. But keep fighting!</description>
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		<title>By: LNSmithee</title>
		<link>http://www.mediaite.com/online/birthers-return-compare-obama-to-an-ape/#comment-11988</link>
		<dc:creator>LNSmithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain Steve wrote: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nothing racist about that ad, but saying the ad is racist IS RACIST.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t know if I would say it&#039;s automatically racist, but I gotta go back to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/new-york-post-cartoon-sean-delonas.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;NY Post&lt;/i&gt; chimp controversy&lt;/a&gt; and ask: Why did so many white people look at a cartoon depicting a chimpanzee with two gunshot wounds to the chest lying on the sidewalk in a pool of blood and immediately think, &quot;That&#039;s Obama being assassinated&quot;?  

Again, another case of liberals being the ones to hear &quot;dog whistle racism&quot; when conservatives don&#039;t.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama can and should put an end to the questions. Why not? Nobody hides something unless they have something to hide.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe he was probably born in Honolulu. However, there HAS to be a reason why he won&#039;t authorize the release of the vault copy of the original long-form 1961birth certificate (and not the 2007 computer-generated printout with only partial information that his campaign released on his website).  

The most likely realities are, IMHO:

1. What is purported to be the official 2007 printout from the state of Hawaii is a forgery (explaining his lawyers&#039; dedication to preventing inspection of it in court), or...

2. The 2007 printout IS authentic, but the data has been altered so that it differs from the 1961 copy of the original in a way that punches at least one huge hole in his well-worn, constantly-repeated life story.

Bottom line is this: Because of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=105347&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the revelation of the birth certs of his grade-school classmates born in the same hospital within hours of him,&lt;/a&gt; &lt;b&gt;we know what Obama&#039;s 1961 birth certificate looks like if it says what he says it does.&lt;/b&gt;  

But he STILL won&#039;t let us see it.  

That doesn&#039;t necessarily mean he&#039;s lying.  He could be playing possum with a purpose, like Saddam Hussein.  Hussein didn&#039;t have weapons of mass destruction in any of the places he prohibited UN inspectors from searching, but he pretended he was hiding something to prevent IRAN from knowing he had none.

Maybe it&#039;s a &quot;Hussein&quot; thing, and we just don&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain Steve wrote: </p>
<blockquote><p>Nothing racist about that ad, but saying the ad is racist IS RACIST.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I would say it&#8217;s automatically racist, but I gotta go back to the <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/new-york-post-cartoon-sean-delonas.jpg" rel="nofollow"><i>NY Post</i> chimp controversy</a> and ask: Why did so many white people look at a cartoon depicting a chimpanzee with two gunshot wounds to the chest lying on the sidewalk in a pool of blood and immediately think, &#8220;That&#8217;s Obama being assassinated&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Again, another case of liberals being the ones to hear &#8220;dog whistle racism&#8221; when conservatives don&#8217;t.</p>
<blockquote><p>Obama can and should put an end to the questions. Why not? Nobody hides something unless they have something to hide.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe he was probably born in Honolulu. However, there HAS to be a reason why he won&#8217;t authorize the release of the vault copy of the original long-form 1961birth certificate (and not the 2007 computer-generated printout with only partial information that his campaign released on his website).  </p>
<p>The most likely realities are, IMHO:</p>
<p>1. What is purported to be the official 2007 printout from the state of Hawaii is a forgery (explaining his lawyers&#8217; dedication to preventing inspection of it in court), or&#8230;</p>
<p>2. The 2007 printout IS authentic, but the data has been altered so that it differs from the 1961 copy of the original in a way that punches at least one huge hole in his well-worn, constantly-repeated life story.</p>
<p>Bottom line is this: Because of <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=105347" rel="nofollow">the revelation of the birth certs of his grade-school classmates born in the same hospital within hours of him,</a> <b>we know what Obama&#8217;s 1961 birth certificate looks like if it says what he says it does.</b>  </p>
<p>But he STILL won&#8217;t let us see it.  </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean he&#8217;s lying.  He could be playing possum with a purpose, like Saddam Hussein.  Hussein didn&#8217;t have weapons of mass destruction in any of the places he prohibited UN inspectors from searching, but he pretended he was hiding something to prevent IRAN from knowing he had none.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s a &#8220;Hussein&#8221; thing, and we just don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: tom swift</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This claim - that a standard, rather trite image is suddenly racist if a black man (oh, all right, a half-black man) is involved - is itself racism of the most blatant kind. Knock it off.

I also note that a great many people in the world are not natural-born American citizens, hard though that may be to believe. The notion that B. Obama might be one of them is hardly ridiculous. Insisting that it is makes one sound like one of those people who keep telling us that in AGW, the &quot;science is settled.&quot; We know how well that&#039;s working out for them. Why the huge overreaction unless someone&#039;s afraid that there might be something to it? The legal paperwork might settle the issue. Could be worth a try, don&#039; t  you think? Don&#039;t insist that &quot;the paperwork is settled&quot; - that&#039;s just code for &quot;somebody&#039;s lying ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This claim &#8211; that a standard, rather trite image is suddenly racist if a black man (oh, all right, a half-black man) is involved &#8211; is itself racism of the most blatant kind. Knock it off.</p>
<p>I also note that a great many people in the world are not natural-born American citizens, hard though that may be to believe. The notion that B. Obama might be one of them is hardly ridiculous. Insisting that it is makes one sound like one of those people who keep telling us that in AGW, the &#8220;science is settled.&#8221; We know how well that&#8217;s working out for them. Why the huge overreaction unless someone&#8217;s afraid that there might be something to it? The legal paperwork might settle the issue. Could be worth a try, don&#8217; t  you think? Don&#8217;t insist that &#8220;the paperwork is settled&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s just code for &#8220;somebody&#8217;s lying &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LNSmithee</title>
		<link>http://www.mediaite.com/online/birthers-return-compare-obama-to-an-ape/#comment-11965</link>
		<dc:creator>LNSmithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazz Drummer wrote: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;I&gt;Hey GOP members,

You allowed this kind of crap to go unanswered for too long. All we need is one of you to have the spine to publicly admonish the birthers for this crap. I’m willing to bet there isn’t one in the bunch.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Among prominent conservative commentators who reject &quot;birthers&quot; and vehemently refuse to endorse the cause:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/32207/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Glenn Beck,&lt;/a&gt; author of #1 bestsellers &lt;I&gt;Arguing With Idiots&lt;/i&gt; &amp; &lt;I&gt;An Inconvenient Book&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/05/truthers-to-the-left-of-me-truthers-to-the-right/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michelle Malkin,&lt;/a&gt; blogger, author of #1 bestseller &lt;I&gt;Culture of Corruption&lt;/i&gt;
Ed Morrissey, HotAir.com blogger
Mark Levin, author of #1 bestseller &lt;i&gt;Liberty and Tyranny&lt;/i&gt;
Laura Ingraham, author of #1 bestseller &lt;I&gt;Power to The People&lt;/i&gt;
Patrick Frey, Los Angeles County Deputy D.A. and blogger, &lt;a href=&quot;http://patterico.com/2008/12/18/challenge-to-obamas-citizenship-denied-by-anthony-kennedy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Patterico.com&lt;/a&gt;
Rick Moran, blogger, &lt;a href=&quot;http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/07/22/its-past-time-to-inoculate-conservatism-against-the-birthers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rightwing Nuthouse&lt;/a&gt;
Kathryn Jean Lopez, &lt;i&gt;National Review&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s just off the top of my head. 

Lucky for you I&#039;m not a betting man.  You wouldn&#039;t have anything left in your wallet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazz Drummer wrote: </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Hey GOP members,</p>
<p>You allowed this kind of crap to go unanswered for too long. All we need is one of you to have the spine to publicly admonish the birthers for this crap. I’m willing to bet there isn’t one in the bunch.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Among prominent conservative commentators who reject &#8220;birthers&#8221; and vehemently refuse to endorse the cause:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/32207/" rel="nofollow">Glenn Beck,</a> author of #1 bestsellers <i>Arguing With Idiots</i> &amp; <i>An Inconvenient Book</i><br />
<a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/05/truthers-to-the-left-of-me-truthers-to-the-right/" rel="nofollow">Michelle Malkin,</a> blogger, author of #1 bestseller <i>Culture of Corruption</i><br />
Ed Morrissey, HotAir.com blogger<br />
Mark Levin, author of #1 bestseller <i>Liberty and Tyranny</i><br />
Laura Ingraham, author of #1 bestseller <i>Power to The People</i><br />
Patrick Frey, Los Angeles County Deputy D.A. and blogger, <a href="http://patterico.com/2008/12/18/challenge-to-obamas-citizenship-denied-by-anthony-kennedy/" rel="nofollow">Patterico.com</a><br />
Rick Moran, blogger, <a href="http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/07/22/its-past-time-to-inoculate-conservatism-against-the-birthers/" rel="nofollow">Rightwing Nuthouse</a><br />
Kathryn Jean Lopez, <i>National Review</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s just off the top of my head. </p>
<p>Lucky for you I&#8217;m not a betting man.  You wouldn&#8217;t have anything left in your wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.mediaite.com/online/birthers-return-compare-obama-to-an-ape/#comment-11963</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing racist about that ad, but saying the ad is racist IS RACIST.  Obama can and should put an end to the questions.  Why not?  Nobody hides something unless they have something to hide.

Obama is a fraud.  We all know it; just some won&#039;t admit it.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING.  SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing racist about that ad, but saying the ad is racist IS RACIST.  Obama can and should put an end to the questions.  Why not?  Nobody hides something unless they have something to hide.</p>
<p>Obama is a fraud.  We all know it; just some won&#8217;t admit it.</p>
<p>OBAMA, STOP HIDING.  SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!</p>
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		<title>By: JazzDrummer7</title>
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		<dc:creator>JazzDrummer7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey GOP members,

You allowed this kind of crap to go unanswered for too long.  All we need is one of you to have the spine to publicly admonish the birthers for this crap.  I&#039;m willing to bet there isn&#039;t one in the bunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey GOP members,</p>
<p>You allowed this kind of crap to go unanswered for too long.  All we need is one of you to have the spine to publicly admonish the birthers for this crap.  I&#8217;m willing to bet there isn&#8217;t one in the bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: LNSmithee</title>
		<link>http://www.mediaite.com/online/birthers-return-compare-obama-to-an-ape/#comment-11927</link>
		<dc:creator>LNSmithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. MacNicol, I see that this thread is rising as one of the most read on Mediaite.  

Will you correct the headline so that it doesn&#039;t transmit the false allegation that the advertisement &quot;compare[s] Obama to an ape&quot;?  Or do you just figure that truth doesn&#039;t matter as long as you&#039;re creating a buzz?

Isn&#039;t that what &quot;birthers&quot; are accused of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. MacNicol, I see that this thread is rising as one of the most read on Mediaite.  </p>
<p>Will you correct the headline so that it doesn&#8217;t transmit the false allegation that the advertisement &#8220;compare[s] Obama to an ape&#8221;?  Or do you just figure that truth doesn&#8217;t matter as long as you&#8217;re creating a buzz?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that what &#8220;birthers&#8221; are accused of?</p>
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		<title>By: ImNotBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>ImNotBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ted says: 
December 2, 2009 at 6:47 am&lt;/i&gt;

When did I say anything about YOUR race?

I think Pablo summed it up well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ted says:<br />
December 2, 2009 at 6:47 am</i></p>
<p>When did I say anything about YOUR race?</p>
<p>I think Pablo summed it up well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t matter, Ted. Call a black guy names, you&#039;re a racist. Your rules, sparky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter, Ted. Call a black guy names, you&#8217;re a racist. Your rules, sparky.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ImNotBlue - What makes you think I&#039;m not black?  Actually, what makes you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ImNotBlue &#8211; What makes you think I&#8217;m not black?  Actually, what makes you think?</p>
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		<title>By: ImNotBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>ImNotBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ted says: 
December 1, 2009 at 10:25 pm&lt;/i&gt;

See Ted run.  Run Ted, run.  Run away from answers you don&#039;t know.  Run away from backing up your statements.  Run away from making an argument without name calling.

Run Ted, run.

(PS-  You said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;LNSMith – Are you related to straitshooter? It seems you are both a couple of dumb ass racists. Congrats!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But ignored when LNSmithee said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
LNSmithee says: 
December 1, 2009 at 12:50 pm
In the words of Charlie Brown: “AAUGH!” The disingenuousness never, ever, ever, ever, ever stops!
&lt;b&gt;As a black man&lt;/b&gt;, I want all of you (especially YOU, Glynnis MacNicol) to hear me loudly and clearly: THIS IS NOT RACIST.

I guess that makes you a racist... you now, calling a black man names like that.  Why are you such a racist?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ted says:<br />
December 1, 2009 at 10:25 pm</i></p>
<p>See Ted run.  Run Ted, run.  Run away from answers you don&#8217;t know.  Run away from backing up your statements.  Run away from making an argument without name calling.</p>
<p>Run Ted, run.</p>
<p>(PS-  You said:</p>
<blockquote><p>LNSMith – Are you related to straitshooter? It seems you are both a couple of dumb ass racists. Congrats!</p></blockquote>
<p>But ignored when LNSmithee said:</p>
<blockquote><p>
LNSmithee says:<br />
December 1, 2009 at 12:50 pm<br />
In the words of Charlie Brown: “AAUGH!” The disingenuousness never, ever, ever, ever, ever stops!<br />
<b>As a black man</b>, I want all of you (especially YOU, Glynnis MacNicol) to hear me loudly and clearly: THIS IS NOT RACIST.</p>
<p>I guess that makes you a racist&#8230; you now, calling a black man names like that.  Why are you such a racist?)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey straitshooter - did i tell you what an oblivious dumb ass you are?

LNSMith - Are you related to straitshooter?  It seems you are both a couple of dumb ass racists.  Congrats!

ImNotBlue - You&#039;re just a blithering idiot.  Harmless, but an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey straitshooter &#8211; did i tell you what an oblivious dumb ass you are?</p>
<p>LNSMith &#8211; Are you related to straitshooter?  It seems you are both a couple of dumb ass racists.  Congrats!</p>
<p>ImNotBlue &#8211; You&#8217;re just a blithering idiot.  Harmless, but an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: ImNotBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>ImNotBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ted says: 
December 1, 2009 at 3:40 pm&lt;/i&gt;

And you continue to run away and dodge the obvious questions.  Poor scared little boy.

&lt;i&gt;m says: 
December 1, 2009 at 5:21 pm&lt;/i&gt;

Kinda reminds me of when &quot;Bill Adkins&quot; said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Bill Adkins says: 
November 24, 2009 at 7:22 am
As a Jew you should remember that in Warsaw during WW II Jews acting as policemen for their Nazi masters helped to herd Jews to the camps (btw, this is another historical reference- you can look it up). It seems you’ve applied for the police academy early.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, he actually suggested it would be something like MY fault for such actions.  But where were you on that one?  Not calling ol&#039; Bill an anti-Semite... that&#039;s for sure.  But I guess it&#039;s a double standard again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ted says:<br />
December 1, 2009 at 3:40 pm</i></p>
<p>And you continue to run away and dodge the obvious questions.  Poor scared little boy.</p>
<p><i>m says:<br />
December 1, 2009 at 5:21 pm</i></p>
<p>Kinda reminds me of when &#8220;Bill Adkins&#8221; said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bill Adkins says:<br />
November 24, 2009 at 7:22 am<br />
As a Jew you should remember that in Warsaw during WW II Jews acting as policemen for their Nazi masters helped to herd Jews to the camps (btw, this is another historical reference- you can look it up). It seems you’ve applied for the police academy early.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, he actually suggested it would be something like MY fault for such actions.  But where were you on that one?  Not calling ol&#8217; Bill an anti-Semite&#8230; that&#8217;s for sure.  But I guess it&#8217;s a double standard again.</p>
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		<title>By: LNSmithee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LNSmithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m replied to straitshooter: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I can’t believe this. You’re saying its black people’s own fault for being slaves? I’m sorry to say, but you’re a racist.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, m, do you see what you did?  You just went straight to the charge of racism, instead of accepting straitshooter&#039;s challenge: Who WAS initially responsible for placing slaves on the ships &lt;I&gt;leaving&lt;/i&gt; Africa for America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m replied to straitshooter: </p>
<blockquote><p><i>I can’t believe this. You’re saying its black people’s own fault for being slaves? I’m sorry to say, but you’re a racist.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Now, m, do you see what you did?  You just went straight to the charge of racism, instead of accepting straitshooter&#8217;s challenge: Who WAS initially responsible for placing slaves on the ships <i>leaving</i> Africa for America?</p>
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		<title>By: straitshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>straitshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M

Earlier in this debate, someone posted the following: &quot;Blacks didn’t have an ugly history of enslaving whites, calling them monkeys or saying they’re not human.&quot;

I was merely pointing out that both black people (in Africa) and white people (European settlers in America) contributed to the slave trade, which is a matter of historical record. If pointing out history makes me racist, then so be it. I&#039;m not afraid of what a total stranger thinks of me.&#039;

Try again, M. You people on the left have played the race card so much, it&#039;s lost all its power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M</p>
<p>Earlier in this debate, someone posted the following: &#8220;Blacks didn’t have an ugly history of enslaving whites, calling them monkeys or saying they’re not human.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was merely pointing out that both black people (in Africa) and white people (European settlers in America) contributed to the slave trade, which is a matter of historical record. If pointing out history makes me racist, then so be it. I&#8217;m not afraid of what a total stranger thinks of me.&#8217;</p>
<p>Try again, M. You people on the left have played the race card so much, it&#8217;s lost all its power.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Blacks have an ugly history of selling other blacks into slavery. Perhaps you should brush up on your history and see who was initially responsible for placing slaves on those ships leaving Africa for America.

I can&#039;t believe this. You&#039;re saying its black people&#039;s own fault for being slaves? I&#039;m sorry to say, but you&#039;re a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Blacks have an ugly history of selling other blacks into slavery. Perhaps you should brush up on your history and see who was initially responsible for placing slaves on those ships leaving Africa for America.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe this. You&#8217;re saying its black people&#8217;s own fault for being slaves? I&#8217;m sorry to say, but you&#8217;re a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: TfT</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LNSmithee:  Right you are, thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: LNSmithee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LNSmithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Straitshooter – You want me to help you understand why you are oblivious? You’re kidding right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

IOW: &quot;Ted, I can&#039;t explain myself.  But I don&#039;t have to.  I made the accusation you&#039;re a racist -- I don&#039;t have to explain WHY you are.  &lt;I&gt;You&lt;/i&gt; have to explain why you&#039;re not.  And every time you say you&#039;re not one, I&#039;ll just repeat, &#039;Yes you are.&#039;  And people will take my side because they are too scared of being tagged with the label if they come to your defense.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted wrote:</p>
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Straitshooter – You want me to help you understand why you are oblivious? You’re kidding right?</p></blockquote>
<p>IOW: &#8220;Ted, I can&#8217;t explain myself.  But I don&#8217;t have to.  I made the accusation you&#8217;re a racist &#8212; I don&#8217;t have to explain WHY you are.  <i>You</i> have to explain why you&#8217;re not.  And every time you say you&#8217;re not one, I&#8217;ll just repeat, &#8216;Yes you are.&#8217;  And people will take my side because they are too scared of being tagged with the label if they come to your defense.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LNSmithee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LNSmithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TfT: The globaloney scientist isn&#039;t from UPenn (the University of Pennsylvania), he&#039;s from Penn State (the Pennsylvania State University). 

Big diff.  The football&#039;s not nearly as good at Penn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TfT: The globaloney scientist isn&#8217;t from UPenn (the University of Pennsylvania), he&#8217;s from Penn State (the Pennsylvania State University). </p>
<p>Big diff.  The football&#8217;s not nearly as good at Penn.</p>
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		<title>By: TfT</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tigers, Racists and Bravo oh my!  You forgot to report Palin&#039;s book is now platinum

Meanwhile, Climategate is absent from the board yet again while we learn:

UK Scientist to step down while being investigated; UPENN scientest is also be investigated.

Yesterday&#039;s climategate thread had nearly 70 posts (is that a record for this board?), and now you have gone silent on the topic again, despite the breaking news on the topic.   

HMMMMMM.  Is the main board replacing what used to be the link to the gossip stuff you used to post here?  Just askin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tigers, Racists and Bravo oh my!  You forgot to report Palin&#8217;s book is now platinum</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Climategate is absent from the board yet again while we learn:</p>
<p>UK Scientist to step down while being investigated; UPENN scientest is also be investigated.</p>
<p>Yesterday&#8217;s climategate thread had nearly 70 posts (is that a record for this board?), and now you have gone silent on the topic again, despite the breaking news on the topic.   </p>
<p>HMMMMMM.  Is the main board replacing what used to be the link to the gossip stuff you used to post here?  Just askin.</p>
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		<title>By: straitshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>straitshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forget that sarcasm is lost on the close-minded. Ted, you are every bit as racist as the people you think are racist. The irony of you calling someone else oblivious is hysterical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget that sarcasm is lost on the close-minded. Ted, you are every bit as racist as the people you think are racist. The irony of you calling someone else oblivious is hysterical.</p>
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		<title>By: schmoovemoves</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you get &quot;compare Obama to ape&quot; from pictures of monkeys labeled &quot;congress&quot;  &quot;courts&quot; &quot;media.&quot;    

Now if you would have said &quot;compare congress, courts and media to apes&quot; you&#039;d have a point. 

Regardless, I get the feeling the blogosphere is holding up birthers and Sarah Palin as the voice of anyone who didn&#039;t vote for Obama in order to avoid addressing any real issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you get &#8220;compare Obama to ape&#8221; from pictures of monkeys labeled &#8220;congress&#8221;  &#8220;courts&#8221; &#8220;media.&#8221;    </p>
<p>Now if you would have said &#8220;compare congress, courts and media to apes&#8221; you&#8217;d have a point. </p>
<p>Regardless, I get the feeling the blogosphere is holding up birthers and Sarah Palin as the voice of anyone who didn&#8217;t vote for Obama in order to avoid addressing any real issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ImNotBlue - Apparently neither are you.

Straitshooter - You want me to help you understand why you are oblivious?  You&#039;re kidding right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ImNotBlue &#8211; Apparently neither are you.</p>
<p>Straitshooter &#8211; You want me to help you understand why you are oblivious?  You&#8217;re kidding right?</p>
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		<title>By: Trickletown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trickletown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BushCo exploding the levees? Yep , that assertion was made big time by Louis Farrakhan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BushCo exploding the levees? Yep , that assertion was made big time by Louis Farrakhan.</p>
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		<title>By: straitshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>straitshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, am I racist because we disagree? Help me understand, because I am so oblivious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, am I racist because we disagree? Help me understand, because I am so oblivious.</p>
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		<title>By: ImNotBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>ImNotBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Ted says: 
December 1, 2009 at 2:18 pm&lt;/i&gt;

So tell us why it&#039;s racist.  Come on, enlighten us.

Nah... you&#039;ll just keep name calling.  It&#039;s all you can do, when you&#039;re not smart enough to say something meaningful.

&lt;i&gt; roxsteady says: 
December 1, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I guess it’s easier for Republicans and Conservatives to claim Obama isn’t a citizen. This way, they don’t have to face up to the historical ass kicking they took in last year’s elections.&lt;/i&gt;

Two points...
(1) Birther&#039;s are conspiracy loons... and the vast majority of Republicans and Conservatives agree on that... no different than the Truthers, or the &quot;stolen election&quot; loons from &#039;00 and &#039;04.

(2) Exactly who isn&#039;t facing up to the election?  I&#039;ve heard the phrase &quot;Elections have consequences&quot; so many times... FROM SEAN HANNITY... that it&#039;s lost all meaning!  I think you&#039;re trying to pat yourself on the back for the &#039;08 election... but if that&#039;s all you&#039;ve got to hang your hat on, that&#039;s a pretty low threshold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Ted says:<br />
December 1, 2009 at 2:18 pm</i></p>
<p>So tell us why it&#8217;s racist.  Come on, enlighten us.</p>
<p>Nah&#8230; you&#8217;ll just keep name calling.  It&#8217;s all you can do, when you&#8217;re not smart enough to say something meaningful.</p>
<p><i> roxsteady says:<br />
December 1, 2009 at 2:27 pm<br />
I guess it’s easier for Republicans and Conservatives to claim Obama isn’t a citizen. This way, they don’t have to face up to the historical ass kicking they took in last year’s elections.</i></p>
<p>Two points&#8230;<br />
(1) Birther&#8217;s are conspiracy loons&#8230; and the vast majority of Republicans and Conservatives agree on that&#8230; no different than the Truthers, or the &#8220;stolen election&#8221; loons from &#8217;00 and &#8217;04.</p>
<p>(2) Exactly who isn&#8217;t facing up to the election?  I&#8217;ve heard the phrase &#8220;Elections have consequences&#8221; so many times&#8230; FROM SEAN HANNITY&#8230; that it&#8217;s lost all meaning!  I think you&#8217;re trying to pat yourself on the back for the &#8217;08 election&#8230; but if that&#8217;s all you&#8217;ve got to hang your hat on, that&#8217;s a pretty low threshold.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Straitshooter - Your comment, re: &quot;blacks have an ugly history of selling other blacks...&quot;  You are obviously one of those racists dumb asses that is so oblivious that you don&#039;t realize what an extraordinary racist dumb ass you really are.  Congrats, you belong to an exclusive club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straitshooter &#8211; Your comment, re: &#8220;blacks have an ugly history of selling other blacks&#8230;&#8221;  You are obviously one of those racists dumb asses that is so oblivious that you don&#8217;t realize what an extraordinary racist dumb ass you really are.  Congrats, you belong to an exclusive club.</p>
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		<title>By: straitshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>straitshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeva,

Great point on that last matter. The fringe element of the left hooked on conspiracies in Florida is exactly the same as the fringe on the right who cling to Obama&#039;s constitutional eligibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeva,</p>
<p>Great point on that last matter. The fringe element of the left hooked on conspiracies in Florida is exactly the same as the fringe on the right who cling to Obama&#8217;s constitutional eligibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Keeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ted: I know exactly what racism is. I have seen it, heard it and felt it. That said, none of this is racist. Poor taste, yes. But poor taste is not racist or any other kind of -ist.

As an aside, I disagree with the entire &quot;Birther&quot; concept, but I vehemently defend their right to make their case. The First Amendment exists to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech needs no such protections.

I am not saying that there is no racism. I am saying that this ad is not racist, nor is criticizing the president. This constant insistence that criticizing Obama is racist or criticizing Palin is sexist is both sad and counter productive. It tends to minimize actual racism and sexism.

@roxsteady: As a No party Affiliation, I can say the following with total confidence. The Democrats spent at least 4 years trying to discredit Bush&#039;s win in 2000. Not with facts or actual recounts (all of which had Bush winning) but with ginned up nonsense about stolen elections. Just like the ginned up nonsense about Obama&#039;s citizenship. Why? Because the Dems could not believe they lost in 2000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ted: I know exactly what racism is. I have seen it, heard it and felt it. That said, none of this is racist. Poor taste, yes. But poor taste is not racist or any other kind of -ist.</p>
<p>As an aside, I disagree with the entire &#8220;Birther&#8221; concept, but I vehemently defend their right to make their case. The First Amendment exists to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech needs no such protections.</p>
<p>I am not saying that there is no racism. I am saying that this ad is not racist, nor is criticizing the president. This constant insistence that criticizing Obama is racist or criticizing Palin is sexist is both sad and counter productive. It tends to minimize actual racism and sexism.</p>
<p>@roxsteady: As a No party Affiliation, I can say the following with total confidence. The Democrats spent at least 4 years trying to discredit Bush&#8217;s win in 2000. Not with facts or actual recounts (all of which had Bush winning) but with ginned up nonsense about stolen elections. Just like the ginned up nonsense about Obama&#8217;s citizenship. Why? Because the Dems could not believe they lost in 2000.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@roxsteady
You&#039;re right, blacks don&#039;t have an ugly history of enslaving whites. Blacks have an ugly history of selling other blacks into slavery. Perhaps you should brush up on your history and see who was initially responsible for placing slaves on those ships leaving Africa for America.

Oh, also, that was like 10,000 years ago. My grandpa didn&#039;t own slaves. My dad didn&#039;t own slaves. I just went on e-bay, but it turns out I can&#039;t buy a slave either.

Why is it so hard for you to look at a calendar and leave the past in the past?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@roxsteady<br />
You&#8217;re right, blacks don&#8217;t have an ugly history of enslaving whites. Blacks have an ugly history of selling other blacks into slavery. Perhaps you should brush up on your history and see who was initially responsible for placing slaves on those ships leaving Africa for America.</p>
<p>Oh, also, that was like 10,000 years ago. My grandpa didn&#8217;t own slaves. My dad didn&#8217;t own slaves. I just went on e-bay, but it turns out I can&#8217;t buy a slave either.</p>
<p>Why is it so hard for you to look at a calendar and leave the past in the past?</p>
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