Two of the LOWEST RATED shows on TV. The Chris Matthews Show
and Hardball!! LMAO

So, what you’re saying JimBob, is that it’s the higher rated shows that are promoting this religious bigotry instead of exposing it? Got it.

Glynnis says …Watch below.

Chris Matthews, Joe Klein, Katty Kay, Norah O’Donnell, Reihan Salam – Now there is a fair and Balanced Team!

I tried to watch, I got sick to my stomach and had to go outside to get some air.

“Asked Matthews: Is this negative feeling what’s propelling American Muslims (i.e. the Times Sq. Bomber, and the Fort Hood shooter) to attack America? Joe Klein thinks it’s a contributing factor”

Typical Leftist “thought”: blame the victims, not the perpetrators.

A Catholic perspective on the mosque debate:

Editorial: Mosque furor echoes early American anti-Catholicism

“We are awake to the hypocrisy and schemes of that designing, crafty, subtle, far-seeing and far-reaching Power, which is ever-grasping after the whole world, to sway its iron scepter with blood stained hands over the millions of its inhabitants.”

Judging from recent op-ed columns and street demonstrations, one might presume that the “far-reaching Power” is Islam, seeking to enslave and dominate and now ready to build a mosque near ground zero, where suicidal terrorists killed some 2,700 people and traumatized a nation.

But one would be wrong.

That crafty Power, in fact, was the Catholic Church. The words were written in 1852, protesting a gift by Pope Pius IX of a block of marble for the Washington Monument. The outrage felt by true-blue Americans was so great that the marble was reportedly tossed into the Potomac.

America has never done religious conflict well. In the 19th and 20th centuries, a virulent hostility was directed against Catholics, who were viewed as ruthless, criminal, anti-democratic minions of the pope, willing to dissemble and lie and do anything necessary in order to impose Catholic beliefs and Catholic law on Protestant America.

Indeed, one 1855 treatise in defense of the infamous Know-Nothing Party said that Catholics are trained “if necessary for self immolation to give success to their ambitious aspirings.”

Catholics were seen as the suicidal terrorists of that day, willing to do anything to make victorious the papal and Jesuitical plot to subdue America.

Because U.S. Catholics have experienced nearly two centuries of anti-Catholicism, we should be particularly sensitive to language that is intended to inflame hostility against another religion or group. Unfortunately, some of the rhetoric and extreme language used to debate the possible construction of a mosque in New York City two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center echoes the kind of Nativist condemnations of Catholics and other minorities that have stained American history. All of Islam is indicted for the actions of an extremist faction, and Muslims themselves are treated by some as a fifth column, seeking to infiltrate and then take over American society. We’ve heard this language before.

There is no denying that in academia, foreign policy and the popular mind, there is occurring intense discussion about the nature of Islam and its relationship to modernity, to women, to freedom of expression, to freedom of religion. These are legitimate subjects of dialogue and debate.

And religious tolerance does not mean that one therefore must tolerate actions that violate values and standards of our society, be it female genital mutilation or, as shown on a recent Time magazine cover, a child bride with her nose cut off.

But just as we would not want Catholicism to be stereotyped by Sicilian honor killings or IRA massacres, so should we be wary of convicting all of Islam for the actions of a (radical) minority.

The fierce controversy that has been engendered by plans to build the Islamic community center does not bode well, and tensions now are radiating out to other communities.

But we do salute New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan for offering to mediate the conflict. As a scholar of U.S. Catholic history, Archbishop Dolan will be sensitive to the dangers of bigotry as well as to the recent painful history of his adopted city. His priority will be the community of New York, but also the values and ideals of American society at its best.

It is our hope that the rhetoric will cool and that our nation will not make the same mistakes that it made a century and a half ago, allowing our worst fears and worst instincts to trump our highest ideals.

Editorial Board: Greg Erlandson, publisher; Msgr. Owen F. Campion, associate publisher; Beth McNamara, editorial director; John Norton, editor; Sarah Hayes, presentation editor.

SNORE!

BatBoy said:
Chris Matthews, Joe Klein, Katty Kay, Norah O’Donnell, Reihan Salam – Now there is a fair and Balanced Team!

That is the “Hate America First Club” out in formation.

notsofast said:
That is the “Hate America First Club” out in formation.

Yes because if you say anything remotely critical of America it means you despise it. Great reasoning abilities.

paulmdoro said:
A Catholic perspective on the mosque debate:

But paul, Catholics are nothing but a secret society of homosexual priests who prey on the young- I heard that from libs, so it must be true. We can not take their opinion on anything.

No, Zumpy, I am pointing out that no one gives a crap what Chris Matthews has
too say about anything.
JOE KLIEN?
Severe case of LMS Little Man Syndrome!
Bordering on Terminal !!

paulmdoro said:
Yes because if you say anything remotely critical of America it means you despise it.

Hey, I’m a racist because I criticize Barry. Great reasoning abilities.

This show can be an interesting departure from your typical intelligent news filled and thought provoking television program.

Norah O’Donnell is usually found searching fruitlessly for a cogent thought. Unable to find one, she utters inane banal drivel that both shocks and numbs.

Joe Klein is a liar. Was then, is now, and always will be. Joe Klein is dismissed instantly by thinking people.

And, Chris Mathews is the uncle at the family party that everyone can’t wait to hear from. He always says things you can laugh about on the drive home. The fun in his goofiness is he believes what he says…hilarious.

notsofast said:
But paul, Catholics are nothing but a secret society of homosexual priests who prey on the young- I heard that from libs, so it must be true. We can not take their opinion on anything.

I never said that about Catholics (I am one for the record) and I have never heard a liberal say that about Catholics. Nice try though. Maybe you should read it. Might learn something.

notsofast said:
Hey, I’m a racist because I criticize Barry. Great reasoning abilities.

I never called you racist. Nice try though. Better luck next time.

joe klein needs to shut his dirty whore mouth when salam is speaking

notsofast said:
SNORE!

No shit!

Hardly any groundbreaking news here. Republicans are intolerant and xenophobic. Geez, who would have known?

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

The Real Royal King said:
BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

Whoa, this dude’s stuff has always been bad, but this one really stinks. I do see similarities in the quality of Hardball and this attempt at poetry.

Phocus2 said:
Whoa, this dude’s stuff has always been bad, but this one really stinks. I do see similarities in the quality of Hardball and this attempt at poetry.

I take heresy very seriously. And, I found Beckerhead’s assertion that God’s saving grace can be had through works instead of through faith terribly, terribly offensive and troublesome. I expected Beckerhead to be cultic, but I was surprised he broke into full heresy.

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

The Real Royal King said:
Hardly any groundbreaking news here. Republicans are intolerant and xenophobic. Geez, who would have known?

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

The Real Royal King, on Olbermann Watch you flatly admitted to having a negative opinion of Mormonism due to your Catholic doctrinal teachings.

How intolerant is it to then paint as inveterately intolerant those who are largely Christian evangelicals, and whose missionaries and fellow evangelical Christians are lucky to keep their lives in middle-eastern countries.

It’s a great political ploy to announce that this is the egg that came first, but I doubt it holds up to scrutiny even in your own book. (If you were honest enough to admit it)

I found Beckerhead’s assertion that God’s saving grace can be had through works instead of through faith ” -TRRK

Would you like to back that up with a full in context quote ?

The Real Royal King said:
take heresy very seriously. And, I found Beckerhead’s assertion that God’s saving grace can be had through works instead of through faith terribly, terribly offensive and troublesome. I expected Beckerhead to be cultic, but I was surprised he broke into full heresy.

Negative toward a ‘heretic’ and heresy…. huh? Careful… It’s sentiments like that that could be responsible for anyone who might shoot his own troops or try to blow up Times Square.

TRRK – I think you are just going off what Mormonism teaches , then what Beck ACTUALLY says.

murf said:
Would you like to back that up with a full in context quote ?

Mr. Ki(n)g will decline that offer and would like to change the subject.

Your welcome , Mr. Ki(n)g.

Cecelia isn’t it taking it a little too far when someone claims that God is using them to spread His word and plans?

Cecelia said:
How intolerant is it to then paint as inveterately intolerant those who are largely Christian evangelicals, and whose missionaries and fellow evangelical Christians are lucky to keep their lives in middle-eastern countries.

What ridiculous gibberish is that, Cecelia? The theological point I made is beyond dispute, Scripturally, ecclesiastically and theologically. It is in the recognition that we have been saved by God’s grace that we reach out in the love shown us. Evangelical Christians are the ones who most understand and so wonderously uphold the principle that God’s grace trumps all.

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

I missed the part when Chris Matthews presented figures on what percent of Democrats “feel negative” towards Christians, compared with Republicans. I missed the part when Chris presented figures on what percent of Democrats “feel negative” about Israel, as compared with Republicans. I missed the part when Chris presented figures on what percent of Democrats “feel negative” about organized religion in general, as compared with Republicans. Etc. etc. etc.

paulmdoro said:
Cecelia isn’t it taking it a little too far when someone claims that God is using them to spread His word and plans?

Well, you’re going to have to label many pastors, evangelists, missionaries, and Christian teachers as being defacto extremists with that formulation.

Feeling some sort of call of God as a participant in furthering his kingdom on earth is pretty standard stuff in lives of a great many people and is not synonymous with being the Rev. Jim Jones UNLESS one starts to act as the Rev Jim Jones.

murf said:
TRRK – I think you are just going off what Mormonism teaches , then what Beck ACTUALLY says.

Let’s not be obtuse, my dear Murf. You didn’t hear alarm bells going off in evangelical pulpits across our land at this bold heresy? Really? Quote indeed. I’d as effectively copy and paste Beckerhead’s entire heretical sermon, for that. It was complete Mormon proselytizing, with very little added.

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

Cecelia said:
Well, you’re going to have to label many pastors, evangelists, missionaries, and Christian teachers as being defacto extremists with that formulation.

Feeling some sort of call of God as a participant in furthering his kingdom on earth is pretty standard stuff in lives of a great many people and is not synonymous with being the Rev. Jim Jones UNLESS one starts to act as the Rev Jim Jones.

Is Beck a religious leader now? Is that how he is positioning himself?

The Real Royal King said:
What ridiculous gibberish is that, Cecelia? The theological point I made is beyond dispute, Scripturally, ecclesiastically and theologically. It is in the recognition that we have been saved by God’s grace that we reach out in the love shown us. Evangelical Christians are the ones who most understand and so wonderously uphold the principle that God’s grace trumps all.

You’re mising the more pertinent to the topic point that I made.

If your negativity towards Mormon theology (to point that you expressly state that you wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for public office) isn’t representative of dire bigotry, why is a general disapproval of Islam indicative of that?

TRRK– Didnt think so . You my friend have a deep seeded hatred for Mormons which is clear everyday when you mock MichelleF’s religious association. I’m sure though you’ll attack someone for being an islamophobe bigot today .. Too funny

Later

oh god you guys are going to make blood shoot out royal’s vagina all day now…

this is going to be worse than when he found his wife banging the garbage man…

paulmdoro said:
Is Beck a religious leader now? Is that how he is positioning himself?

There’s been a lot of politicians and public figures who have made an appeal for a heightened sense of spirituality in the nation.

I don’t think Beck’s a “religious leader” as much as someone with a public voice who is espousing some very very traditional platitudes.

As with politics if Beck gets anymore specific with Christianity than the basics, he’s going to turn off the majority of his non-Mormon audience.

Cecelia said:
You’re mising the more pertinent to the topic point that I made. If your negativity towards Mormon theology (to point that you expressly state that you wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for public office) isn’t representative of dire bigotry, why is a general disapproval of Islam indicative of that?

Perhaps because I am a Christian, and I am specifically charged with being on guard against heresy?

I can’t very well to hold a Moslem or a Muslim to a Christian standard of belief and practice, can I? But as a Christian, I think I am able to, indeed charged with, holding fellow Christians to that standard. Mormons allege that they are Christians.

For a person who espouses a faith, that faith must have a centrality in his or her life. I find it much more acceptable to vote for a Muslim or a Jew or a Zorastrian who appears to be largely true to his or her faith that to a Christian who is heretical or cultic. By the same token, I would have no problem voting for an atheist or an agnostic. There is no betrayal to a central component of his or her life. It is really much like voting for a family values Republican, like Ensign, Sanford or Vitter who cloak themselves in the sanctiomony of family values whilst living lives wholly at odds with this key precept of their lives.

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

Cecelia said:
There’s been a lot of politicians and public figures who have made an appeal for a heightened sense of spirituality in the nation.

I don’t think Beck’s a “religious leader” as much as someone with a public voice who is espousing some very very traditional platitudes.

As with politics if Beck gets anymore specific with Christianity than the basics, he’s going to turn off the majority of his non-Mormon audience.

But claiming that God is using you to spread His word and plans sounds like the words of a religious leader, does it not? Or would you consider those merely traditional platitudes?

murf said:
TRRK– Didnt think so . You my friend have a deep seeded hatred for Mormons which is clear everyday when you mock MichelleF’s religious association. I’m sure though you’ll attack someone for being an islamophobe bigot today .. Too funny Later

I answered your question, fully and completely. Kvetch as much as you desire. That doesn’t change the fact that your question was answered.

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

The Real Royal King said:
Let’s not be obtuse, my dear Murf. You didn’t hear alarm bells going off in evangelical pulpits across our land at this bold heresy? Really? Quote indeed. I’d as effectively copy and paste Beckerhead’s entire heretical sermon, for that. It was complete Mormon proselytizing, with very little added.

Well, I’d be interested in hearing where Beck even implied that salvation was by works, because of my interest in how he’s going to tread mainline Christianity via his personal doctrine.

You’ll forgive me if I want more than your personal assurances that he has?…

By the way liberation theology is replete with this same sentiment.

murf said:
TRRK– Didnt think so . You my friend have a deep seeded hatred for Mormons which is clear everyday when you mock MichelleF’s religious association. I’m sure though you’ll attack someone for being an islamophobe bigot today .. Too funny

murf

Mr.Ki(n)g is an equal opportunity misogynist. His particular fetish for the Mormon faith is more like attributable to his scrupulosity.

*likely*

paulmdoro said:
But claiming that God is using you to spread His word and plans sounds like the words of a religious leader, does it not? Or would you consider those merely traditional platitudes?

I guess I’m a bit confused by your argument, as well, Paul? You are not denying that God calls some to a vocation, I gather? But, are you saying that God doesn’t call some to undertakings outside of the profession or task field which he or she is pursuing? Is your point that Beckerhead’s activities on Saturday crossed the line from a call to preach to some other call?

I suppose I don’t have a problem with what Beckerhead undertook. I do have a problem with his methodolgy, his shameless mix of the political and the theological. But, I do think that the faithful are called by God to pursue God’s work in their own professions and their own lives. We usually refer to that as not a vocation, but an avocation.

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

Cecelia said:
By the way liberation theology is replete with this same sentiment.

Indeed, it is, and subject to the same criticism.

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

The Real Royal King said:
Hardly any groundbreaking news here. Republicans are intolerant and xenophobic. Geez, who would have known? BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

But you, of course, are extremely tolerant, right buddy? Only, that is, if you’re talking about someone whose views parrot yours.

OLBY, MATTHEWS, AND THE REAL ROYAL KING
THREE LIBERAL PEAS IN A POD
SPINNING LIES AND DECEIT
LIKE THEIR HEROES IN LIFE
RANGEL, WATERS, AND DODD

The Real Royal King said:
I guess I’m a bit confused by your argument, as well, Paul? You are not denying that God calls some to a vocation, I gather? But, are you saying that God doesn’t call some to undertakings outside of the profession or task field which he or she is pursuing? Is your point that Beckerhead’s activities on Saturday crossed the line from a call to preach to some other call?

I suppose I don’t have a problem with what Beckerhead undertook. I do have a problem with his methodolgy, his shameless mix of the political and the theological. But, I do think that the faithful are called by God to pursue God’s work in their own professions and their own lives. We usually refer to that as not a vocation, but an avocation.

Sorry to confuse you RRK. I think it’s pretty clear.

The Real Royal King said:
There is no betrayal to a central component of his or her life. It is really much like voting for a family values Republican, like Ensign, Sanford or Vitter who cloak themselves in the sanctiomony of family values whilst living lives wholly at odds with this key precept of their lives.

Oh, that’s brilliant. You’re now you’re equating the adherence to doctrine within a Christian sect as being on par with a failure to live by one’s personal standards.

With that logic, you ought to reeling away from Islam as you would from a rattlesnake. The variations within that religion are epic and fraught with bloodletting to this day.

The Real Royal King said:
Hardly any groundbreaking news here. Republicans are intolerant and xenophobic. Geez, who would have known?

Yeah, and those islamic extremists are neither of those things….. they just murder for kicks. Geez, who would have known.

Now let’s see…. why do the radical islamists hate us? It’s because THE RIGHT ‘feels negative toward islam’ at a higher % than THE LEFT. Yeah. Ok. THAT’s the ticket!

Here’s some food for thought….

Could it be because Americans….

treat women with respect?

don’t tell them what to wear”

don’t cut off their genitals?

treat gay people with respect?

don’t tell them who to screw?

allow them to exist?

I could go on but methinks the point is made. How do you have a discussion about why they ‘attack America’ without mention of any of these things?

Friggin’ joke ‘journOlists’….. and wonder why people don’t trust them. They are blinded by their bias. It’s nothing new, but it is definitely revealing itself more obviously these days. Mr. Matthews and the rest of the LSM have really blazed trails in these past years.

I wonder if they can even see where those trails are leading…

The Real Royal King said:
Indeed, it is, and subject to the same criticism.

BECKERHEAD SET FORTH HIS CULT OF PERSONALITY,
DELIVERED VERY POORLY, INDEED, EVEN DREADFULLY,
AS TO MATTERS OF POLICY: MORE BANALITY.
AS TO MATTERS OF THEOLOGY: PURE HERESY!

Well, then you should have no difficulty supplying the words that have made you judge Beck as having suggested salvation via works.

Again, I am honestly interested because I don’t how he’s going to temper his Mormonism.

Real Royal King makes another crazy post
But within minutes he’ll be toast
He’s allowed to have his say
But at the end of the day
Count the thumbs down, he’ll get the most

paulmdoro said:
But claiming that God is using you to spread His word and plans sounds like the words of a religious leader, does it not? Or would you consider those merely traditional platitudes?

Perhaps, it’s regional, but it sounds like public speaker I grew up hearing.

Beck made a lot of appeals to capitalism and the Constitution but I doubt he’s pitching himself as an economist or a constitutional scholar.

He’s putting out some very traditional concepts of national pride and spirituality.

Simply taking it for granted that Beck IS putting forth himself as some sort of Jesse Jackson or Pat Robertson figure, he’ll lose audience because of the specifics of his personal doctrinal beliefs and probably because of his personal life.

I think Beck’s a traditional guy who feels that the country is in danger of becoming a strange and alien city from what he knows and tapping into some people who feel the same.

The best track his opponents can take on that is to go by Howard Dean’s new playbook towards these people, rather than Chris Matthews.

Yes people who lament for some sort of Utopian past while fearing some terrifying future are nothing new in this country. Goes back centuries. But didn’t he talk a lot about God and spirituality prior to the rally? And for someone who talks a lot about the Constitution, it sure seems like he’s pitching himself as a Constitutional scholar.

What time does the bell ring signifying an end to the “PAULMDORO” class on hypothetical questions?

If it is at the top of the hour, maybe he can go to his next class then.

paulmdoro said:
Yes people who lament for some sort of Utopian past while fearing some terrifying future are nothing new in this country. Goes back centuries. But didn’t he talk a lot about God and spirituality prior to the rally? And for someone who talks a lot about the Constitution, it sure seems like he’s pitching himself as a Constitutional scholar.

So far, Beck’s more Sean Hannity than John Wesley…

BatBoy said:
What time does the bell ring signifying an end to the “PAULMDORO” class on hypothetical questions?

If it is at the top of the hour, maybe he can go to his next class then.

While I strive to engage in intelligent, reasonable, and thoughtful discourse at your level, you have set the bar so high. How can anyone possibly compete with someone as well-respected, open-minded, and intellectually curious as you? Someday I know I’ll get there. You’re my hero.

Cecelia said:
So far, Beck’s more Sean Hannity than John Wesley…

Does Hannity engage in a lot of Jesus talk? Maybe Beck is using the rally to slowly change his persona and mission?

paulmdoro said:
While I strive to engage in intelligent, reasonable, and thoughtful discourse at your level, you have set the bar so high.

Maybe we have some insite into why the inner city schools do not graduate their students.

BatBoy said:
Maybe we have some insite into why the inner city schools do not graduate their students.

Do you mean insight?

FearMonger said:
I could go on but methinks the point is made. How do you have a discussion about why they ‘attack America’ without mention of any of these things?

Oh yeah… I forgot all about those damned Jews. We Americans allow Jews to ‘exist’ right here on American soil. Can you imagine that? They live in our neighborhoods and drive on our streets and eat off the same dinnerware at restaurants and drink from the same glasses and use the same tongs at the salad bar/ all you can eat buffet.

Intolerable Infidels!!

King, since you’re intolerant of people who commit such horrible sins as living in trailers, or eat Cheetos, or shop at 7-11, or in general, anyone who has opinions other than yours, should you really include intolerance on your list of things to mock?

“Let’s take a look at this. Suppose the Democrats win in Pennsylvania – with Sestak. And I hope they do. Suppose they win in Ohio, Missouri, New Hampshire. Will that suggest to you, it seems to me from your work here, that that could be a surprisingly pretty good year for the Democrats, given all that’s happened?”
Chris Matthews

Thank God Chris isn’t in the tank for the Democrats!

paulmdoro said:
Does Hannity engage in a lot of Jesus talk? Maybe Beck is using the rally to slowly change his persona and mission?

Oh, yeah. Sean takes in on the road with as much God, guts, and glory, as Beck.

I’m not disparaging Beck’s message in the slightest. It’s a good one that has stood the test of time. However, I do think that Beck believes that there is a silent majority that he can tap, that is just waiting to throw off the yoke of democratic socialist policies (Beck would call them commie).

I’m not so optimistic about this. I think Beck’s merely tapped into the sort of sentimentalism/populism you see in hard economic times. There ARE a lot of these people out there. They are traditionalists, but they are not half so politically/party oriented as Beck thinks (even though he’s smart enough to try to keep it “non-political) A decent economy (and some modulated rhetoric from the left) would subdue their fervor, perhaps for his show and most certainly for his rallies.

Now there’s a regular Algonquin Round table for you. Let’s just end the facade, all those present that get their paychecks from barry, raise their hands.

Cecelia said:
Oh, yeah. Sean takes in on the road with as much God, guts, and glory, as Beck.

I’m not disparaging Beck’s message in the slightest. It’s a good one that has stood the test of time. However, I do think that Beck believes that there is a silent majority that he can tap, that is just waiting to throw off the yoke of democratic socialist policies (Beck would call them commie).

I’m not so optimistic about this. I think Beck’s merely tapped into the sort of sentimentalism/populism you see in hard economic times. There ARE a lot of these people out there. They are traditionalists, but they are not half so politically/party oriented as Beck thinks (even though he’s smart enough to try to keep it “non-political) A decent economy (and some modulated rhetoric from the left) would subdue their fervor, perhaps for his show and most certainly for his rallies.

Ah the old Silent Majority, a la Richard Nixon?

Insightful analysis Cecilia regarding populism in difficult economic times. I completely agree.

You know what really drives me batshit crazy? Stupid condescending brit shit like this…

“Said Katty Kay: “The risk for America is if you start putting all of those extremists in with all of Muslims.””

Ya’ think?

What would we do without Miss Kitty?

You know what’s really ironic about that statement though? It’s leftwing journalists who keep lumping them together. How many times have we conservatives has to correct some asshat ‘journOlist’ for saying we are ‘anti-islam’ or ‘anti-immigration’?

What part of RADICAL ISLAM don’t you understand? What part of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT don’t you understand?

How many MODERATE Muslims get castigated by the right? How about LEGAL immigrants?

These jerks need to smell what they are shoveling.

Well . it ain’t gonna take a team of accountants to add up the total IQ of this motley crew .

paulmdoro said:
Ah the old Silent Majority, a la Richard Nixon?

Insightful analysis Cecilia regarding populism in difficult economic times. I completely agree.

I’m glad you needed me to tell you not to take him so seriously…

“More than half of Republicans polled say they have a negative attitude toward Islam, this compared to only 27% of Democrats. ”

Interesting. So I guess that means that 27% of the Dems are in favor of the condemnation and murder of homosexuals, honor killings, stoning, and denying women their human rights. Seems a bit hypocritical.

looks like royal’s anti-mormon rants have inspired violence

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/30/mormon-bishop-shot-dead-in-california/

Cecelia said:
I’m glad you needed me to tell you not to take him so seriously…

Huh? Never said that. I guess I take my compliment back.

Correction on my 12:43pm comment. 73% of Dems must be in favor of the condemnation and murder of homosexuals, honor killings, stoning, and denying women their human rights. That is even better.

Ahmadinejad says there aren’t any gays in Iran, so they don’t have to worry about it.

@writer, “Ahmadinejad says there aren’t any gays in Iran, so they don’t have to worry about it.”

Yeah, well there are a hell of a lot of them in NYC!

libra blue said:
@writer, “Ahmadinejad says there aren’t any gays in Iran, so they don’t have to worry about it.”

Yeah, well there are a hell of a lot of them in NYC!

And they’re going to get you! Lock up the children!

paulmdoro said:
Do you mean insight?

I took an intercity spelling class in school…what do you expect?

@paulmdoro, “And they’re going to get you! Lock up the children!”

I guess you must mean the Muslims because everybody on this board knows that I am in favor of gay rights. Ha!

BatBoy said:
I took an intercity spelling class in school…what do you expect?

I got exactly what I expected.

libra blue said:
@paulmdoro, “And they’re going to get you! Lock up the children!”

I guess you must mean the Muslims because everybody on this board knows that I am in favor of gay rights. Ha!

Good for you. Let me see if I can find you a medal….

paulmdoro said:
Huh? Never said that. I guess I take my compliment back.

Well, maybe you should. There was a lot of people out there at that very enjoyable rally and the economic numbers are still dismal…

Cecelia said:
Well, maybe you should. There was a lot of people out there at that very enjoyable rally and the economic numbers are still dismal…

I’m glad everyone had a good time. That’s what it’s all about.

@paulmdoro, “Good for you. Let me see if I can find you a medal….”

Just pointing out that you are uninformed.

libra blue said:
@paulmdoro, “Good for you. Let me see if I can find you a medal….”

Just pointing out that you are uninformed.

Ah but I never said you oppose gay rights.

Nothing is more amusing than watching the clumsy machinations as the Left tries to reconcile its obvious hatred of organized religion with its new-found love of the ground zero mosque. Of course, the Left would be adamantly opposed to almost everything written in the Koran — if they ever bothered to read it — which may be the least “progressive” holy book ever written. So why do they defend Islam, but no other religion. That’s easy to answer. In their mind, the Islam religion is associated with anti-Americanism, so they feel a deep kinship for it. The moment that Islam is no longer seen by them as anti-American, they will be as hostile to Muslims as they are to believers of every other religion.

“The left” hates organized religion as much as “the right” is racist.

@paulmdoro, “Ah but I never said you oppose gay rights.”

Then you were talking about Muslims when you said this:

“And they’re going to get you! Lock up the children!”

BTW, your buddy Roland Martin is a big supporter of Prop 8, another reason why I despise him.

You really nailed it, felix. The same people who refer all the way back to the Crusades to point out bad things about Christianity suddenly feel we must be tolerant and understanding of Islam. Yeah, no violence in their past.

felixw said:
Nothing is more amusing than watching the clumsy machinations as the Left tries to reconcile its obvious hatred of organized religion with its new-found love of the ground zero mosque. Of course, the Left would be adamantly opposed to almost everything written in the Koran — if they ever bothered to read it — which may be the least “progressive” holy book ever written. So why do they defend Islam, but no other religion. That’s easy to answer. In their mind, the Islam religion is associated with anti-Americanism, so they feel a deep kinship for it. The moment that Islam is no longer seen by them as anti-American, they will be as hostile to Muslims as they are to believers of every other religion.

Bingo!

And Chris Matthews, why don’t ya do a poll on what percent of libs feel negative towards Christianity?

I bet that percent would be over 90!

Perhaps if Christians attacked and killed Americans or spoke of how awful America was, the 90% would drop precipitously.

felixw said:
Nothing is more amusing than watching the clumsy machinations as the Left tries to reconcile its obvious hatred of organized religion with its new-found love of the ground zero mosque. Of course, the Left would be adamantly opposed to almost everything written in the Koran — if they ever bothered to read it — which may be the least “progressive” holy book ever written. So why do they defend Islam, but no other religion. That’s easy to answer. In their mind, the Islam religion is associated with anti-Americanism, so they feel a deep kinship for it. The moment that Islam is no longer seen by them as anti-American, they will be as hostile to Muslims as they are to believers of every other religion.

Very, very well put.

felixw said:
Nothing is more amusing than watching the clumsy machinations as the Left tries to reconcile its obvious hatred of organized religion with its new-found love of the ground zero mosque. Of course, the Left would be adamantly opposed to almost everything written in the Koran — if they ever bothered to read it — which may be the least “progressive” holy book ever written. So why do they defend Islam, but no other religion. That’s easy to answer. In their mind, the Islam religion is associated with anti-Americanism, so they feel a deep kinship for it. The moment that Islam is no longer seen by them as anti-American, they will be as hostile to Muslims as they are to believers of every other religion.

liberals are society’s trolls. if the majority is for something, they will twist themselves into a pretzel to be against it.

Constantly said:
joe klein needs to shut his dirty whore mouth when salam is speaking

Hey! Potty mouth is back!!

BatBoy said:
I took an intercity spelling class in school…what do you expect?

I expected that you would say something bigotted and stupid.

alamo2 said:
I expected that you would say something bigotted and stupid.

Yeah so much for personal accountability. Always an excuse. Typical conservative.

alamo you are too much of a wussy cunt to be here, you should go

fuck yourself

paulmdoro said:
“The left” hates organized religion as much as “the right” is racist.

Read the posts on Mediaite and compare how often a leftist attacks religion, and then compare with the number of racial epithets tossed around by conservatives. I suspect you will find a margin of about 100-to-1 in favor of slurs against religion coming from the Left. Start out by looking at Valkyrie’s 500 posts on Mormons, more or less. Then count his 1,000 or so posts against the Unification Church. I have been personally attacked here for belonging to three different faiths. Not that the leftist posters know anything about my religious beliefs, but their hatred of religion is so great that they don’t care about facts.

That’s your evidence? Anecdotes from one website? Come on. That’s weak sauce.

paulmdoro said:
That’s your evidence? Anecdotes from one website? Come on. That’s weak sauce.

Paul, check out the Huffington Post. Check out the Daily Kos. Go to any leftwing web site. If you don’t see that the Left is hostile to organized religion (except for a mosque at Ground Zero) you are either ignorant or disingenuous. If I had the patient and time, I could easily put up a thousand or more links to left wing web sites where the most vile things are said about people of faith.

Felixw says: So why do they defend Islam, but no other religion.

I think it’s because they think it is a sharp stick in the eye to Christians.

Watching Islamic thugs in France attacking the police is a better example of why we don’t want Islamic ideology in the U.S. !

BatBoy said:
Glynnis says …Watch below.

Chris Matthews, Joe Klein, Katty Kay, Norah O’Donnell, Reihan Salam – Now there is a fair and Balanced Team!

I tried to watch, I got sick to my stomach and had to go outside to get some air.

Good thing you did,because you sound SICK to me. I mean just because didn’t agree with their point of view. Get A life

paulmdoro said:
A Catholic perspective on the mosque debate:

Editorial: Mosque furor echoes early American anti-Catholicism

“We are awake to the hypocrisy and schemes of that designing, crafty, subtle, far-seeing and far-reaching Power, which is ever-grasping after the whole world, to sway its iron scepter with blood stained hands over the millions of its inhabitants.”

Judging from recent op-ed columns and street demonstrations, one might presume that the “far-reaching Power” is Islam, seeking to enslave and dominate and now ready to build a mosque near ground zero, where suicidal terrorists killed some 2,700 people and traumatized a nation.

But one would be wrong.

That crafty Power, in fact, was the Catholic Church. The words were written in 1852, protesting a gift by Pope Pius IX of a block of marble for the Washington Monument. The outrage felt by true-blue Americans was so great that the marble was reportedly tossed into the Potomac.

America has never done religious conflict well. In the 19th and 20th centuries, a virulent hostility was directed against Catholics, who were viewed as ruthless, criminal, anti-democratic minions of the pope, willing to dissemble and lie and do anything necessary in order to impose Catholic beliefs and Catholic law on Protestant America.

Indeed, one 1855 treatise in defense of the infamous Know-Nothing Party said that Catholics are trained “if necessary for self immolation to give success to their ambitious aspirings.”

Catholics were seen as the suicidal terrorists of that day, willing to do anything to make victorious the papal and Jesuitical plot to subdue America.

Because U.S. Catholics have experienced nearly two centuries of anti-Catholicism, we should be particularly sensitive to language that is intended to inflame hostility against another religion or group. Unfortunately, some of the rhetoric and extreme language used to debate the possible construction of a mosque in New York City two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center echoes the kind of Nativist condemnations of Catholics and other minorities that have stained American history. All of Islam is indicted for the actions of an extremist faction, and Muslims themselves are treated by some as a fifth column, seeking to infiltrate and then take over American society. We’ve heard this language before.

There is no denying that in academia, foreign policy and the popular mind, there is occurring intense discussion about the nature of Islam and its relationship to modernity, to women, to freedom of expression, to freedom of religion. These are legitimate subjects of dialogue and debate.

And religious tolerance does not mean that one therefore must tolerate actions that violate values and standards of our society, be it female genital mutilation or, as shown on a recent Time magazine cover, a child bride with her nose cut off.

But just as we would not want Catholicism to be stereotyped by Sicilian honor killings or IRA massacres, so should we be wary of convicting all of Islam for the actions of a (radical) minority.

The fierce controversy that has been engendered by plans to build the Islamic community center does not bode well, and tensions now are radiating out to other communities.

But we do salute New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan for offering to mediate the conflict. As a scholar of U.S. Catholic history, Archbishop Dolan will be sensitive to the dangers of bigotry as well as to the recent painful history of his adopted city. His priority will be the community of New York, but also the values and ideals of American society at its best.

It is our hope that the rhetoric will cool and that our nation will not make the same mistakes that it made a century and a half ago, allowing our worst fears and worst instincts to trump our highest ideals.

Editorial Board: Greg Erlandson, publisher; Msgr. Owen F. Campion, associate publisher; Beth McNamara, editorial director; John Norton, editor; Sarah Hayes, presentation editor.

This the most intelligent post I have seen on this board in sometime,it seems guys like Not so fast want to talk SH.. and have no solutions to anything but poking fun at someone who does.And before you wise asses start,I have NO religion.

“There was also a slight gender and regional gap. By a 56-34 margin, women said the mosque should not be allowed to build near Ground Zero despite the legal right to do so. Among the men, there was a narrower 50-45 split.”

Women: Buncha’ racists.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/seven_in_nyers_want_mosque_moved_KmMAnVUzPvti7raIxal8FN#ixzz0yDTMn8mB

Chris, Chris, Chris, since you never do any “real” reporting, you have resorted to this “finger pointing” rhetoric that has become your style, first of all, talking about style, when you get your next position as “salesman” in the Mens’ Wearhouse Store, do something about the way your dress. You, however, seem to be changing your tune now that you are aware that Obama is losing his popularity..what was that you explained “Why doesn’t he get rid of that damn teleprompter!” tsk, tsk, I guess you are not as enthusiastic as you were when he was ” King”. As for your film clips about how insulting we were to the Japanese, YOU were not even born when the older men in your family had to go to a country & fight until death…if they were lucky! If they were captured, the japanese soldiers had no mercy. I have heard stories from elderly British retirees that were captured by these people and, I will relate one story to you that you will not believe..The Japanese soldiers had several british prisoners & were surrounded high on a hill, there was no food, no water..they would keep the soldiers alive & slice pieces of their flesh, & cannibalize them one by one. The screams were unimaginable as the other men knew what their fate would be. And have you ever heard of “Suicide bombers”, how many of our men died because of these extremists…sound familiar..a little like the terrorists, right? well, maybe a lot of our tea party members, who love Glenn Beck, have also heard these stories or whose grandfathers’ who barely survive on a lousy pension, may be a little pessimistic about muslims & the horrors that fanatical beliefs cause. I was a little girl in the early 40′s & vividly remember the horror of that 2nd world war, so don’t hand me that “Beck likes to stir up trouble”..we have minds of our own & we should NEVER apologize for wars we did not start but were forced to participate in. And you, Joe Klein, a jewish man who should know better, have you not forgotten the faces of the starving jews in concentration camps…YOUR people..the americans made the german soldiers pick up the dead & rotting corpses that were ready to be burned & forced them to carry those limp,( once human, once loved, once admired, a professor, a writer, a politician..a JEWISH man who deserved to LIVE!!) bodies to be buried .How dare you say that we believe in “ethnic purity” when it was the germans who killed & enslaved YOUR OWN PEOPLE! You are an ingrate & I am shocked at your remarks, you are no better than Madoff, who stole from his own people..just to make a big fortune you would sell your very soul. My husband was from Germany & he witnessed a lot of horror so, unless you’ve been there, please don’t take the side of these radicals who will follow through, just as did Hitler & Hirohito, America is too good for their own good. We need a man with valor to run this country and bring it back from where it has fallen to, a bunch of weak willed, mammie pammie’s whining their way throughout life, turning the good against the good just to make a quick buck. “ETHNIC CLEANSING”..your parents would be ashamed. And as for you Chris, your days are numbered, when the ratings continue to drop…so will your salary!! God Bless America!