This bodes well for the incumbent Marcy Kaptur. One less tea party nut out of the picture.

Yes, but don’t call this baggers a racist! He’s simply a goose stepping Nazi lover! Now, if he could just find a way to blame his hobby on Dems?

.Well, Well. Lets just see how the righties defend him now that Cantor through him under the bus.

They have to repudiate him. He’s violating Glenn Beck’s copyright agreement on swastika use.

Wait till Monday. I’ve got $10 that says Glenn uses this to point out liberal fascism.

CosmosDan, I mistook you for someone who actaully wanted to have rational discussions. Don’t turn into a raving loon like Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers or Roxsteady, it’s beneath you.

exiledtruther said:
CosmosDan, I mistook you for someone who actaully wanted to have rational discussions. Don’t turn into a raving loon like Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers or Roxsteady, it’s beneath you.

Michelle,

A blog is a private enterprise. If you were take a crap on the floor of a restaurant in Utah, you would be asked to leave the premises and never return.

Same thing with a blog. You are a customer who has crapped on the floor once to often.

I think it’s pretty well known on this side that I don’t vote Republican. That said, this may be a factor in this guy’s election but I’m not going to beat him up for it. Sure, playing SS is somewhat insensitive. And enough Republican exist who really don’t like Jews, Blacks, Mexicans — well, hell, they don’t like anybody. But … have at it. I’m just choosing not to play.

exiledtruther said:
CosmosDan, I mistook you for someone who actaully wanted to have rational discussions. Don’t turn into a raving loon like Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers or Roxsteady, it’s beneath you.

I do get to crack jokes every now and then and they might reflect my political leaning. They have nothing to do with my willingness to have a rational discussion with those who will participate. I’m not cursing or name calling.

It’s a fact that Beck has used Nazi references, and the swastika to describe this administration, so there’s no apology for that. Now let’s see what happens on Monday.

Bill says:

And enough Republican exist who really don’t like Jews, Blacks, Mexicans — well, hell, they don’t like anybody.

I’d love to see your documentation to back that up. Please provide the links to the polls you are referencing that say R’s show more of a dislike for certain segments of society than D’s. And if you don’t have any data to back it up, please free to apologize for being a bald-faced liar. Thanks!

Republicans need to quit commenting on leading questions by the left wing media. Don’t ever believe the story they tell you about another republicans activities or their comments.
Don’t fall for their crap.

by this reasoning, half of Hogan’s Hero’s cast could not run for Congress …Col Klink and Sgt Schultz inclusive…typical Democrat over-reach…and let’s distract the campaign from the issues…and Eric Cantor (a member of the GOP ruling class) fell for it.

gordonbloyershow said:
Republicans need to quit commenting on leading questions by the left wing media. Don’t ever believe the story they tell you about another republicans activities or their comments.
Don’t fall for their crap.

Right. Like the story that top Nevada republicans have come out for Harry Reid because of Angle’s radical views and the follow up, that Angle just suddenly changed her views after those announcements. Don’t listen to the liberal media on those stories.

gordonbloyershow said:
Republicans need to quit commenting on leading questions by the left wing media. Don’t ever believe the story they tell you about another republicans activities or their comments.
Don’t fall for their crap.

Right. Instead you should fall for Basil’s crap.

flagringo said:
by this reasoning, half of Hogan’s Hero’s cast could not run for Congress …Col Klink and Sgt Schultz inclusive…typical Democrat over-reach…and let’s distract the campaign from the issues…and Eric Cantor (a member of the GOP ruling class) fell for it.

Let’s go over this once more. Comparing paid actors to a man who for years played Nazi dress up for fun is not a valid comparison. Furthermore, it’s the distortion of the history of that group that is even more troubling. It’s like KKK re-enactment and saying they weren’t really that bad.

That video is more than a bit creepy.

War re-enacting is a huge hobby with thousands of serious participants. We just had a big civil war re-enactment nearby, It was fascinating. So do the guys that portrayed the confederates need to be summarily dismissed from any political life now???
Was Clint Eastwood demonized for the way he portrayed Japenese soldiers in “Letters From Iwo Jima”?

flagringo said:
by this reasoning, half of Hogan’s Hero’s cast could not run for Congress …Col Klink and Sgt Schultz inclusive…typical Democrat over-reach…and let’s distract the campaign from the issues…and Eric Cantor (a member of the GOP ruling class) fell for it.

Idiot post of the week.

timzank said:
War re-enacting is a huge hobby with thousands of serious participants

You are deflecting. It is less about his participation in re-enactments and more about his admiration for idealistic young men. If one of Obama’s officials said this, it would be all over Glenn Beck and you would be demagoguing the hell out of them.

You can’t have it both ways. Maybe in your virtual world, but not in the real world.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Idiot post of the week.

Maybe idiot post of the month. That’s saying something considering murf and writer post regularly.

cmdrgmh said:
.Well, Well. Lets just see how the righties defend him now that Cantor through him under the bus.

They won’t, they’ll deflect, just like Michelle-in-Utah, Tim Z. Ank and Basil Mareceaux, I mean Gordon Blower, have been doing on this (and every) thread.

Ted- said:
Maybe idiot post of the month. That’s saying something considering murf and writer post regularly.

Maybe. Sara N. Italy’s post on her husbands much delayed visit to the doctor is pretty strong competition, however.

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
You can’t have it both ways. Maybe in your virtual world, but not in the real world.

I don’t know about that, in your world, AlQueda & militant muslims, Palestinian suicide bombers etc, are idealistic “freedom fighters” railing against U.S. imperialism, no? Che Guevara & Castro are both portrayed by your side and Hollywood as heros….

That this guy portrays “bad” people in a historical sense seems much more benign than your blatant praise for murderous thugs, no?

The Real Royal King said:
They won’t, they’ll deflect, just like Michelle-in-Utah, Tim Z. Ank and Basil Mareceaux, I mean Gordon Blower, have been doing on this (and every) thread.

Actually, being the “intellectual” of this group King, I would think you’d take the opposite view, allowing all participants in world history to be portrayed in “context” and in a positive light from their own (or their country’s) point of view.
Bashing this guy kind of makes you sound like the troglodytes you claim we are.

timzank said:
Actually, being the “intellectual” of this group King, I would think you’d take the opposite view, allowing all participants in world history to be portrayed in “context” and in a positive light from their own (or their country’s) point of view.
Bashing this guy kind of makes you sound like the troglodytes you claim we are.

I think this counts as a deflection but I’m not sure. I don’t speak tea-bag-ese and would appreciate a translator.

Call in anybody ya need Ted, I don’t think it’s “deflection”….I think everybody is over-reacting, including Cantor.

He’s not dressing up like that to harm people, he’s re-enacting history. (unlike you clowns that prefer to ignore or rewrite it)

timzank said:
Actually, being the “intellectual” of this group King, I would think you’d take the opposite view, allowing all participants in world history to be portrayed in “context” and in a positive light from their own (or their country’s) point of view.Bashing this guy kind of makes you sound like the troglodytes you claim we are.

Actually, I am going to disagree with you, but respectully. I understand the point that you are making, and as part of legitimate historical re-enactment via theatre or film, pure drama or even comedy, there is nothing wrong. In fact, the productions are edifying and entertaining if done tastefully and well. But a bunch of fat, balding men playing they are Nazi soldiers, no. That is certainly a perverse fantasy more like these same men dressing up in little girls’ panties and having tickle fights with each other. It’s done merely for pleasure.

And you know very well if the story were about some Democratic candidate dressing in a Red Army uniform and re-enacting the defense of Stalingrad, your trolodyte buddies, Kumquat and Michelle-in-Utah would be outraged. Although the Reds were our allies.

timzank said:
Call in anybody ya need Ted, I don’t think it’s “deflection”….I think everybody is over-reacting, including Cantor.

He’s not dressing up like that to harm people, he’s re-enacting history. (unlike you clowns that prefer to ignore or rewrite it)

Not just “anybody,” I need someone who can translate tea-bag-ese into English. I do believe this is a niche specialty if you will, and might be hard to find.

Tommy, I would have used the accusative and not the declaratice. “Unter den Bus” is, with respect, the better choice in this Kraut’s humble opinion.

King, how the “other side” would react were the tables turned should be totally irrelevant to an intellectual such as yourself. One would think someone as high-brow as you would be well above the fray, no?

timzank said:
King, how the “other side” would react were the tables turned should be totally irrelevant to an intellectual such as yourself. One would think someone as high-brow as you would be well above the fray, no?

Oops. The declarative.

timzank said:
King, how the “other side” would react were the tables turned should be totally irrelevant to an intellectual such as yourself. One would think someone as high-brow as you would be well above the fray, no?

It is a separate issue, as you point ou, but it is relevant understanding the intellectual dishonesty permeating this discussion.

The Real Royal King said:
It is a separate issue, as you point ou, but it is relevant understanding the intellectual dishonesty permeating this discussion.

Then stop being dishonest!

timzank said:
Then stop being dishonest!

I would have to start being dishonest first.

Obama and the Democrats have tried to blame Birthers, The Tea Partiers, Racism. Bush, The Republican Party of No, Rush, Fox News, Doctors, Insurance Companies, Tax Cuts for the Rich, The Koch Bros. Industries, The Supreme Court, and now the Chamber of Commerce.

And they still cannot win!

Woe be unto them,

November cometh -

If the Tea Party doesn’t get it’s way in Nov. then you will see skinheads out in the open at their rallies.

Anita Dunn the White House Communications Director said she admired Mao as a philosopher (sp?). Fox and the RWers went nuts over that for a couple of weeks especially Glenn Beck.

juan said:
Obama and the Democrats have tried to blame Birthers, The Tea Partiers, Racism. Bush, The Republican Party of No, Rush, Fox News, Doctors, Insurance Companies, Tax Cuts for the Rich, The Koch Bros. Industries, The Supreme Court, and now the Chamber of Commerce.

And they still cannot win!

Woe be unto them,

November cometh -

Before posting might I recommend running it by someone first. Perhaps a neighbor.

I think a brand new smear has been invented. “Nazi Re-enactor”

To the best of my knowledge, no proof has been offered that this guy is some sort of closet nazi or some other kind of freakshow. The hysteria seems to swirling around the “fact” that he plays one of the “bad” guys. Too bad no matter what side of the political aisle you’re on that something as benign as being a historical war re-enactor would jeopardize your future.

Chris Jones said:
I think a brand new smear has been invented. “Nazi Re-enactor”

It’s not new and it’s not a smear.

Ted- said:
Before posting might I recommend running it by someone first. Perhaps a neighbor.

Or he could just read ANY poll. heh…actully if he asked a neighbor as you suggest, the neighbor would likely concur as well!

You do see polls Ted, don’t you?

timzank said:
To the best of my knowledge, no proof has been offered that this guy is some sort of closet nazi or some other kind of freakshow. The hysteria seems to swirling around the “fact” that he plays one of the “bad” guys. Too bad no matter what side of the political aisle you’re on that something as benign as being a historical war re-enactor would jeopardize your future.

good lord. How many times do people need to spell it out before it sinks in? It wasn’t just playing the bad guy in war games that was the problem.

juan said:
And they still cannot win!
Woe be unto them,
November cometh -

I have a feeling after Nov 2nd there’s going to be a lot of RW trolls show up with new names.

CosmosDan said:
good lord. How many times do people need to spell it out before it sinks in? It wasn’t just playing the bad guy in war games that was the problem.

Please spell out, exactly, and explain what the problem is and why it’s a problem?

the real john t said:
I have a feeling after Nov 2nd there’s going to be a lot of RW trolls show up with new names.

You seriously don’t sense a tsunami of sorts John T?

timzank said:
Or he could just read ANY poll. heh…actully if he asked a neighbor as you suggest, the neighbor would likely concur as well!

You do see polls Ted, don’t you?

No, I think you misunderstand; go figure. I was just pointing out that Juan may want someone to read his gibberish before posting; you may want to take that advice as well.

Ted- said:
No, I think you misunderstand; go figure. I was just pointing out that Juan may want someone to read his gibberish before posting; you may want to take that advice as well.

Why? My “gibberish” is pretty easy to comprehend, no? I’m right and your wrong, easy.

you’re ….oops…didn’t want it to look like gibberish!

timzank said:
Why? My “gibberish” is pretty easy to comprehend, no? I’m right and your wrong, easy.

Not really. You obviously speak / write in tea-bag-ese which at best is convoluted gibberish. Now, you might very well be saying something important that other tea-baggers “get” but as far as the rest of are concerned, statistically, not probable. You do, however, get credit for trying.

Ted- said:
Not really. You obviously speak / write in tea-bag-ese which at best is convoluted gibberish. Now, you might very well be saying something important that other tea-baggers “get” but as far as the rest of are concerned, statistically, not probable. You do, however, get credit for trying.

I’m heartened to know even a socialist can understand some of my posts.

timzank said:
Please spell out, exactly, and explain what the problem is and why it’s a problem?

I prefer you read the articles with comprehension and the posts that have repeated it several times. It’s been expressed clearly in pretty plain language.

timzank said:
I’m heartened to know even a socialist can understand some of my posts.

A couple of things:
1) I don’t understand your posts as you speak in tea-bag-ese and…
2) I’m not at all a socialist; I own my own business and make more money than you ever will.

Oops.

CosmosDan said:
I prefer you read the articles with comprehension and the posts that have repeated it several times. It’s been expressed clearly in pretty plain language.

I want YOU to explain it to me.

Ted- said:
A couple of things:1) I don’t understand your posts as you speak in tea-bag-ese and…2) I’m not at all a socialist; I own my own business and make more money than you ever will. Oops.

Anybody who claims to make a lot of money is usually lying and compensating. My guess is you have a small dick as well, right?

timzank said:
Anybody who claims to make a lot of money is usually lying and compensating. My guess is you have a small dick as well, right?

Not really a stretch; you are clearly and idiot…and a little girl.

timzank said:
You seriously don’t sense a tsunami of sorts John T?

NO! And don’t tell me to look at the polls. I don’t believe in polls no matter which way they go. They poll 1000 to 1500 people and that’s suppose to tell you how a whole population of a state is going to vote. That’s BS.

timzank said:
I want YOU to explain it to me.

I’ve already explained it several times to other posters who made comments similar to yours. There’s another thread as well. Make the effort to grasp it or don’t.

CosmosDan said:
I’ve already explained it several times to other posters who made comments similar to yours. There’s another thread as well. Make the effort to grasp it or don’t.

This idiot will never get it. timzank is the guy you see in traffic holding up a sign that reads “Buy Two Happy Meals, Get One Free.”

Ted- said:
It’s not new and it’s not a smear.

So it’s a compliment then?

Isidro Garcia said:
If the Tea Party doesn’t get it’s way in Nov. then you will see skinheads out in the open at their rallies.

Not to worry…on either count.

Ted- said:
2) I’m not at all a socialist; I own my own business and make more money than you ever will.

Ha Ha, good one, Ted. You would be hilarious if you weren’t so pathetic.

I can’t believe this is even an issue. He’s an actor playing a part. Are we now to assume that if Anthony Hopkins plays Hannibal Lecter, that he agrees with him? Beyond ridiculous! Another example of Dem’s knowing they can’t win on issues. I guess we will find out on Nov. 2 if the people thought this was an important issue.

Ted- said:
I own my own business and make more money than you ever will.

Ted, being in charge of game night at the asylum isn’t owning your own business.

Ted- said:
timzank said:
Anybody who claims to make a lot of money is usually lying and compensating. My guess is you have a small dick as well, right?

Not really a stretch; you are clearly and idiot…and a little girl.

Sounds like you are saying you might be a little girl.

exiledtruther said:
I can’t believe this is even an issue. He’s an actor playing a part. Are we now to assume that if Anthony Hopkins plays Hannibal Lecter, that he agrees with him? Beyond ridiculous! Another example of Dem’s knowing they can’t win on issues. I guess we will find out on Nov. 2 if the people thought this was an important issue.

The problem is he’s playing the part of Nazi’s who committed atrocities as if they were noble warriors, and he did so for years. It’s like playing the KKK as just misunderstood. Most people are not going to accept that as just playing a role, just as the Young GOP Guns don’t seem to.

exiledtruther said:
I can’t believe this is even an issue. He’s an actor playing a part. Are we now to assume that if Anthony Hopkins plays Hannibal Lecter, that he agrees with him? Beyond ridiculous! Another example of Dem’s knowing they can’t win on issues. I guess we will find out on Nov. 2 if the people thought this was an important issue.

Except, Michelle-in-Utah, he is not an actor, this is not a play or a movie, there is no educational nor entertainment value. Really, we have some stinkers as do you. It’s time you admit it.

Still can’t get over the “YOUNG” guns
I guess only right wingers think 55+ is young
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mark Garlasco, “senior military expert” for Human Rights Watch, which has been kinda anti-Israel, collected Nazi memorabilia:

“Now I’ve achieved some blogosphere fame… for my hobby (unusual and disturbing to some, I realize) of collecting Second World War memorabilia associated with my German grandfather and my American great-uncle… I’m now in the bizarre and painful situation of having to deny accusations that I’m a Nazi…
I’ve never hidden my hobby, because there’s nothing shameful in it… ”

“That is so cool! The leather SS jacket makes my blood go cold it is so COOL!” –Flak88 (aka Marc Garlasco), wehrmacht-awards.com, 2005

“To imply that Garlasco’s collection is evidence of Nazi sympathies is not only absurd but an attempt to deflect attention” –HRW statement, September 8, 2009

(Wehrmacht awards? How come no one told me? I’m hot for leather AND the Armed SS!)

I knew before even reading the article that the author would somehow find a way to defend this guy’s actions.

Republicans will stand by their ilk no matter what they have in their closet.. they proved that the day bastard-Cheney shot an old man in the foot (while fake hunting helpless innocent birds who were caged, couldn’t fly, let out of the cages and as they tried to escape the bastard-Cheney shot them), and then the old guy days later went on tv to publically “apologize” to bastard-Cheney and “any inconvenience he caused him and his family”.

Since then cons have proven they will stand behind every pedophile, rapist, closeted gay (who bashed gays politically), every scum that walks the earth.. they’ll defend them as long as they are under the GOP name.

ConLoonPatrol said:
I knew before even reading the article that the author would somehow find a way to defend this guy’s actions. Republicans will stand by their ilk no matter what they have in their closet.. they proved that the day bastard-Cheney shot an old man in the foot (while fake hunting helpless innocent birds who were caged, couldn’t fly, let out of the cages and as they tried to escape the bastard-Cheney shot them), and then the old guy days later went on tv to publically “apologize” to bastard-Cheney and “any inconvenience he caused him and his family”. Since then cons have proven they will stand behind every pedophile, rapist, closeted gay (who bashed gays politically), every scum that walks the earth.. they’ll defend them as long as they are under the GOP name.

Actually, CoonLoon, the Big Dick got tanked up and shot the old man in the FACE, then skidded out of Texas before the law arrived.

And you’re right, As long as you mouth “family values” you can go to a whorehouse and have them diaper you.

nomatter fashionshopping or happyshopping .
maybe come into http://www.fashionshoppong.us is the better choose .

flagringo said:
by this reasoning, half of Hogan’s Hero’s cast could not run for Congress …Col Klink and Sgt Schultz inclusive…typical Democrat over-reach…and let’s distract the campaign from the issues…and Eric Cantor (a member of the GOP ruling class) fell for it.

No, there are important differences. The actors in Hogan’s Heroes mainly played German Wehrmacht (Army) and Luftwaffe (Air Force). And the roles were necessary for the story. Note that the SS was not part of the Wehrmacht, but instead was the military arm of the Nazi Party (it’s like if Republicans had their own separate army). And choosing the SS seems very unnecessary since the group could have easily chosen from many interesting Wehrmacht units. Also, considering most of the German atrocities during the war were committed not by the Wehrmacht but instead the SS, why does the reenactment unit seem to whitewash these facts?

But does this reflect directly on Iott’s beliefs and views? This does seem to be guilt by association, although I note Lott did make the voluntary choice to join that SS unit. If I was a voter in his district, I certainly wouldn’t let these facts override my vote, but I would also be examining Iott in much more detail.

Marla

Tea party = nazis. That’s the takeaway here, folks. Very scary stuff.

In this country, we have many people involved in Civil War reenactments. Are the ones who play soldiers of the Confederacy racists. Does Rich Lott reenact the Germans putting Jews in the ovens or the showers?

Did Maher mentioned Lott is a militaristic enthusiast? The Atlantic article also mentioned Lott has done reenactments as a Union Army infantryman in the Civil War, an American soldier in World War I, and an American paratrooper in World War II.

Did Maher mention the fact Lott wanted to enlist during Vietnam but was rejected due to a heart murmur? With this need to serve his country Lott for the past 28 years has served in the Ohio Military Reserve. He is now a colonel and the Deputy Commander of the OMR.

In 1981 there was a German film that was sympathetic to a German submarine crew called “Das Boot”. It did not showcase politics of the Nazi Regime but gave the theater goer a look into the life of a soldier performing the duties of his superiors.

More recently, Clint Eastwood did a film “Letters from Iwo Jima” 2007 reenacted the life of the Japanese grunt in WWII.

Both reenactments in the two films illustrated the conflicts within the soldier under the authority of an idealistic regime.

Lott’s interest in military combat may be beneficial if he were to be a committee member in Veteran’s affairs.

Bill Maher is a tool for the Democratic by picking and choosing facts that serves his agenda. Maher tries to pass himself off as an expert in politics which, in reality, he nothing more than a political hack.

CosmosDan said:
Let’s go over this once more. Comparing paid actors to a man who for years played Nazi dress up for fun is not a valid comparison. Furthermore, it’s the distortion of the history of that group that is even more troubling. It’s like KKK re-enactment and saying they weren’t really that bad.

so now the guy that also dressed up in Unioin Civil War uniforms is now linked to the KKK….typical Democrat over-reach

Marla Louise said:
No, there are important differences. The actors in Hogan’s Heroes mainly played German Wehrmacht (Army) and Luftwaffe (Air Force). And the roles were necessary for the story. Note that the SS was not part of the Wehrmacht, but instead was the military arm of the Nazi Party (it’s like if Republicans had their own separate army). And choosing the SS seems very unnecessary since the group could have easily chosen from many interesting Wehrmacht units. Also, considering most of the German atrocities during the war were committed not by the Wehrmacht but instead the SS, why does the reenactment unit seem to whitewash these facts?

But does this reflect directly on Iott’s beliefs and views? This does seem to be guilt by association, although I note Lott did make the voluntary choice to join that SS unit. If I was a voter in his district, I certainly wouldn’t let these facts override my vote, but I would also be examining Iott in much more detail.

Marla

uhh…Marla he DIDN’T JOIN THE GERMAN ARMY! he re-enacted it, just like he re-enacted a Union Civil War unit. SS mechanized units were responsible for much of the German victories during the Blitzkrieg – their mechanized units were fearsome. The website for the re-enactors specifically DO NOT CONDONE any aspect of the 3rd Reich….merely re-enacts what appear to be normal infantry movements in squad and platoon formation. We did the same thing in alley ways in Fremont, Ohio in the 60′s ..it was called playing “war” as 7 and 8 year old kids.

Get over it…typical Democrat Smear, anything to take the issue off 17% unemployment (u-9 unemployment index)

http://seekingalpha.com/article/147068-true-unemployment-numbers

flagringo said:
so now the guy that also dressed up in Unioin Civil War uniforms is now linked to the KKK….typical Democrat over-reach

Nobody linked him to the KKK. Stop abusing logic for political reasons.

The objection isn’t simply that he played army dress up and the article clearly explains it.

CosmosDan said:
It’s like KKK re-enactment and saying they weren’t really that bad.

COSMOSDAN CAN’T STAND HIS OWN WORDS QUOTED BACK TO HIM…..
Nobody linked him to the KKK. Stop abusing logic for political reasons.
vs
It’s like KKK re-enactment and saying they weren’t really that bad.
WHICH IS IT COSMOSDAN??? they are ALL YOUR WORDS????

SO I repeat what I said earlier…
“so now the guy that also dressed up in Unioin Civil War uniforms is now linked to the KKK….typical Democrat over-reach”

flagringo said:
COSMOSDAN CAN’T STAND HIS OWN WORDS QUOTED BACK TO HIM…..
Nobody linked him to the KKK. Stop abusing logic for political reasons.
vs
It’s like KKK re-enactment and saying they weren’t really that bad.
WHICH IS IT COSMOSDAN??? they are ALL YOUR WORDS????

SO I repeat what I said earlier…
“so now the guy that also dressed up in Unioin Civil War uniforms is now linked to the KKK….typical Democrat over-reach”

Sheesh, I have no problem with standing behind my own words. What’s annoying is when people can’t reasonably understand what’s being said and insert their own meaning as if it were mine.

I did not link Iott to the KKK. I made a simple comparison to try and explain that the concern was more complicated than Iott just him dressing up as a Nazi for war re-enactment. The odd thing was that the group he belonged to for years seemed top ignore the historical atrocities of the specific group they emulated, and portrayed them as some kind of noble warriors. Not that it’s a huge moral failing. Nobody is saying that. It’s strange though and that’s what’s being pointed out, and why I made the comparison.

That particular group of Nazi’s were not noble warriors and it seems as odd to portray them as such for years, as it would be to characterize the KKK as merely misunderstood. I hope you get it this time but I won’t get my hopes up.

flagringo said:
uhh…Marla he DIDN’T JOIN THE GERMAN ARMY! he re-enacted it, just like he re-enacted a Union Civil War unit. SS mechanized units were responsible for much of the German victories during the Blitzkrieg – their mechanized units were fearsome. The website for the re-enactors specifically DO NOT CONDONE any aspect of the 3rd Reich….merely re-enacts what appear to be normal infantry movements in squad and platoon formation. We did the same thing in alley ways in Fremont, Ohio in the 60’s ..it was called playing “war” as 7 and 8 year old kids.

I apologize, when I referenced Iott joining the SS, I assumed everyone knew I was talking about the reenactment group, not the actual SS (again, the SS was not part of the Army). I’m sorry for the confusion and misunderstanding. I had no intention in smearing Iott, my intent was just to examine the question and refute a prior silly claim about acting.

Let me clarify my previous statement. Iott chose to join a *reenactment* group that was modeling itself on the Waffen SS.

Note, I too have chosen to join reenactment groups from the Middle Ages to the Revolutionary War. There are certainly dark and evil aspects in the history of both Kings and Rebels, and these evils do get whitewashed. So to a sense, if there is insensitivity and guilt involved, some of it also applies to myself. Shoot, many of us will don costumes of all sorts of villains and evil this coming October 31, yet for most I don’t think it means we are these things.

However, I still must wonder on this issue. Why chose to model a military unit that was part of the Nazi party, originally only allowed Aryans to join, and was declared to be a criminal organization by the Nuremberg Trials? I also note there were some absolutly fantastic German Army units (Panzer Group Guderian, Afrika Korp) that could have been reenacted that did not have such a tainted history.

It’s a difficult question, and I am not sure what it means myself. But I would suggest, it is up to the voters to decide how important or unimportant this issue is.

Marla

You know I would no more re-enact as a Nazi than I would vote Republican, but I believe Lott has done nothing wrong. I have a friend in the UK who re-enacts as SS. The reenactors are consumed with interest in their subject, but that is not the same as being sympathetic. My friend repudiates entirely the actions of the SS and the group is very conscious about where they wear uniforms and insignia. They are very rigorous about who is allowed to join their group. NO neo-Nazis or Nazi sympathizers allowed.

Do I understand it, not at all. But I do understand he is not approving of their actions, he is not anti-Semitic and his visits to some of the death camps are part of his upholding “Never Forget.”

I am not equating the SS with the Confederacy, but Confederate reenactors do not believe in slavery. They are not against equal rights. They dress up to bring alive history. You don’t have to understand why they do it to know there is no harm in it.

Marla Louise said:

However, I still must wonder on this issue. Why chose to model a military unit that was part of the Nazi party, originally only allowed Aryans to join, and was declared to be a criminal organization by the Nuremberg Trials? I also note there were some absolutly fantastic German Army units (Panzer Group Guderian, Afrika Korp) that could have been reenacted that did not have such a tainted history.

Marla

what happened to “freedom” here in the good old USA? And toleration of “diversity”….hmmmmmm??? the guy spent time doing what he loved for a variety of military units in history; If I had the chance to fly a Me 262 jet fighter or drive a Tiger Tank I would, even though they were responsible for killing our guys 66 years ago!!!

toleration of diversity, let’s try practicing it, shall we?

Odd enough, it is most likely all the other tea baggers that in the end burnt this new nut for good! Even if he has a valid reason for this action (?) The crazy views of all before him brand the whole party! The baggers will have to learn, just because they are riding a wave does not mean they are right or holy! When the change may come in Nov. what will get done Senate at best will be even and you know how that vote will go, good old Joe! Fire up the old veto stamp when the baggers edge the house. Then who will be the party of of of “right” hell no! This was your idea!

Well, if you´re playing cops and robbers, it´s as much fun to play the robbers, isn´t it?  It´s the REAL NAZIS, like Cantor who are worth watching.  They call themselves YOUNG GUNS, yes, and according to Chairman Mao, “POWER ISSUES FROM THE MOUTH OF A GUN”.   Especially “Young Guns”.