Leftwing pundits are not confused by the Constitution. They simply don’t like what it says. The right to bear arms…All rights not explicitly assigned to the federal government belong to the States and the people….No government right to abridge freedom of speech….etc. etc. These are anathema to the Left, and hence they try to describe such eminently clear statements as confused, when the simple fact is that they want to impose their own agenda on to founding fathers, in open defiance of the obvious meaning of the words.

This guy is just another liberal fool, no wonder Mediaite is trying to cover for him. Either way, reading the US COnstitition before a bunch of idiot dems/repubs won’t change a thing.

Context would have helped Mr. Klein. Too little too late, sound byte era strikes again. Maybe he can blog about it or take his angst to the journolist crowd. They’d probably agree with what he said in its original context.

Automated Consevative Response: JournOList!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Klein says : Hey man , don’t make this another Civil War . That was like 50 years ago .

Well , he is an underhanded Journolisting hack . Bada bing .

Do you still talk to Traitor Joe Klein , Ez ?
It came out he was the guy who exposed the Journolist Scandal .

lol, why look at this!

What a dumb man, Klein is.

Publius219 said:
Automated Consevative Response:

You are a dullard, son.

This Internet thingy really screws up some people; doesn’t it.

It almost makes you have to prove your point.

Ezra Klein seems to be quite the moron… Why is Jon Bershad trying to cover up for him?

Publius219 said:
Automated Consevative Response: JournOList!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’s a smart guy; I’ll give him credit for that. But i everytime I listen to him a figuratively 1st douse my head in a bucket of cold water.

If he had any sense; he’d do the same before he shoots off his mouth.

LIbs can always count on Mediaite and their brothers in the liberal media to clarify what they “meant” to say after they accidentally say what they think.

Too late, Ezra. too late.

There were a half dozen libs on the earlier thread trying to explain to we dumb Foxes how right on you were and how stupid we were.

You should have explained yourself sooner. They could have been saved if they knew that wasn’t what you really meant. :).

I’m gonna sound like Skyfet for a bit because it would appear that your media does not take some of my vowels or consonants.

or it could be my keyboard

Publius219 said:
Automated Consevative Response: JournOList!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Publius, I was just talking about you and here you are.

So. where do you stand now?

Yes, the Constitution is binding. No, it’s not clear which interpretation of the Constitution the Supreme Court will declare binding at any given moment. ”

Thank God we have such a bright lib like Klein to explain these complexities to the country. I wonder if the SCOTUS knew this?

I know I’m terrible, but who cares what he says, he just to pretty to bother listening too when all I can picture is him in a leather harness with a ball gag in his mouth. Even my liberal gay tuchas had no idea what an empty vessel Ezra has become lately.

Pretty>Stupid ……..for now ;0)

Grammie said:
Too late, Ezra. too late.

There were a half dozen libs on the earlier thread trying to explain to we dumb Foxes how right on you were and how stupid we were.

You should have explained yourself sooner. They could have been saved if they knew that wasn’t what you really meant. :).

However, these days, I do believe the edge is given to those that say the most provocative statements the quickest. He has no editors.

I believe he meant what he said the first time.
I believe Obama meant this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNJsTjblC-Y

There appears to be no concept of a restrictive document to these people. Unless you happen to disagree with a “progressive” point of view. And then it should be viewed as exceptionally restrictive. Just ask the lovely and talented Al Sharpton.

Constantly Amazed said:
I know I’m terrible, but who cares what he says, he just to pretty to bother listening too when all I can picture is him in a leather harness with a ball gag in his mouth. Even my liberal gay tuchas had no idea what an empty vessel Ezra has become lately.

Pretty>Stupid ……..for now ;0)

Yikes!

@Mr. Abraham

Do you think DC gets a vote?

The cool part is that these are the people who think Palin’s stupid, and pick apart every word she says.

Mr.Papshmer said:
The cool part is that these are the people who think Palin’s stupid, and pick apart every word she says.

Palin isn’t stupid. She is a damn genius. It’s the people that believe her bullshit that are stupid.

Why worry about a clarified nuanced position when it’s more fun can create one to crap on.

Publius219 said:
Automated Consevative Response: JournOList!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, that would be just crazy, wouldn’t it, what with Klein being the founder of journolist and all.

Liberty Back For More said:
This guy is just another liberal fool, no wonder Mediaite is trying to cover for him. Either way, reading the US COnstitition before a bunch of idiot dems/repubs won’t change a thing.

Tell us more…oh mighty Thomas Jefferson incarnate! **puke**

Publius219 said:
Automated Consevative Response: JournOList!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
LIbs can always count on Mediaite and their brothers in the liberal media to clarify what they “meant” to say after they accidentally say what they think.

At least liberal do try to clarify their comments because they do not underestimate the intelligence of their viewers/readers. Conservatives like Palin, do not even attempt to “refudiate” their sophomoric verbal diarrhea since the intelligence level of their viewership is less than that of a jellyfish. We have all seen the genius of Sarah Palin and Christine O’Donnell for example attempting to explain the very 1st Amendment of the Constitution….LOL! Don’t Retreat MichelleF…RELOAD!

This Constitution is whatever my gut says it is.

Sorry but Ezra was clear in his comments. I think many journalists just play stupid so they have an article to write.

Randy M said:
Sorry but Ezra was clear in his comments. I think many journalists just play stupid so they have an article to write.

You can’t be clear if you don’t communicate the thought…but I do agree with the 2nd part of yer statement.

Do any of you have jobs or do you just hurl invenctive all day?

You may not agree with Ezra, but he owns what he said. He made a point and it wasn’t widely understood. So instead of blaming the media, or his enemies, or Martians, or whatever, he clarified it.

And you guys have a problem with him?

So you don’t like his idea? Whatever. Who cares?

But you sad, small people go after him personally.

This site is just dreadful.

I think many journalists just play stupid so they have an article to write.

If you have something to say you would probably find an audience.

Some of us actually follow media criticism just for that.

Blair Maury said:
He made a point and it wasn’t widely understood.

It was understood just fine. He’s an idiot who shouldn’t be allowed to vote, as are you.

Yes. I am an idiot. And should not be allowed to vote.

Thanks.

felixw said:
Leftwing pundits are not confused by the Constitution. They simply don’t like what it says. The right to bear arms…All rights not explicitly assigned to the federal government belong to the States and the people….No government right to abridge freedom of speech….etc. etc. These are anathema to the Left, and hence they try to describe such eminently clear statements as confused, when the simple fact is that they want to impose their own agenda on to founding fathers, in open defiance of the obvious meaning of the words.

Free speech is anathema to the left? Wow. You just topped your last moronic statement.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Mr.Papshmer said:
It was understood just fine. He’s an idiot who shouldn’t be allowed to vote, as are you.

Please move to China where you belong. Your cooperation is appreciated.

notsofast said:
Yes, the Constitution is binding. No, it’s not clear which interpretation of the Constitution the Supreme Court will declare binding at any given moment. ”

Thank God we have such a bright lib like Klein to explain these complexities to the country. I wonder if the SCOTUS knew this?

Clearly they don’t: Bush v Gore, Ledbetter v Goodyear, Kelo v New London, CU v FEC, etc, etc.

Blair Maury said:
Yes. I am an idiot. And should not be allowed to vote.

Yes, that’s correct.

Jesus Christ, Westlake the idiot showed up. I guess his neighbors don’t have the nuts to off him.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Jesus Christ, Westlake the idiot showed up. I guess his neighbors don’t have the nuts to off him.

You’re the second conservative scumbag to invite me to die on these boards. You and Gordon Bloyer, birds of a feather. Much man love between you two I imagine.

Wake me when you have a brain.

Iowahawk does a much better job of clarifying Ezra’s comments: The Constitution Is Very Important

Why anyone ever mistook Ezra for a bright guy is beyond me.

Klein says: “The initial interpretation was that I’d said the Constitution is too complicated to understand because it was written a long time ago, and then, as the day went on, that I’d said the document itself is nonbinding. I went back and watched the clip — or at least the part someone clipped and sent me, which is above — and thought I was clear enough. But when a lot of people misunderstand you at once, the fault is usually yours. So if I was unclear: Yes, the Constitution is binding. No, it’s not clear which interpretation of the Constitution the Supreme Court will declare binding at any given moment. And no, reading the document on the floor of the House will not make the country more like you want it to be, unless your problem with the country is that you thought the Constitution should be read aloud on the floor of the House more frequently. In which case, well, you’re in luck!”

No one misunderstood you moron–they understood you perfectly and have taken serious issue with your idiotic remarks.

The Constitution is–as we know–quite binding. It is not an enumeration of our rights, it is an enumeration of the limitations placed on government. It is NOT a “living” document–it is concise in its expression of the parameters of government function.

Your redress of your remarks merely indicates that you realized you had been caught trying to push your ideas and opinions and you wanted to try and save face.

You have indelibly marked yourself for the opinions you hold.

Paul Westlake said:
You’re the second conservative scumbag to invite me to die on these boards.

For what it’s worth, I am a conservative who doesn’t want you to die because you disagree with me. In fact, I don’t want you to die at all. I only want to help you see the other side of things.

How dare someone criticize the constitution? It is absolutely perfect except for the Amendments I personally disagree with.

Nahu Tuk said:
For what it’s worth, I am a conservative who doesn’t want you to die because you disagree with me. In fact, I don’t want you to die at all. I only want to help you see the other side of things.

I appreciate that and have exactly the same attitude, only from the opposite direction. ;-)

Well said, and thanks.

Pablo said:
Iowahawk does a much better job of clarifying Ezra’s comments: The Constitution Is Very Important

Why anyone ever mistook Ezra for a bright guy is beyond me.

Pablo, that is PURE GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks!

The Constitution is–as we know–quite binding. It is not an enumeration of our rights, it is an enumeration of the limitations placed on government. It is NOT a “living” document–it is concise in its expression of the parameters of government function.

I think it still it is a living document because it can be amended but that’s just me. I got no problems with those amendments.

Ezra’s problem is that even his clarification isn’t clear. I think what he meant by non-binding is the reading of the constitution in the House – it doesn’t make anything the House does any more binding than it already is. But it was a clumsy way to say it in the first place and the clarification just made it worse. He should have said that it was merely symbolic to read the constitution on the floor of the House. The House will not function any differently than the constitution sets forth with or without the reading, so it’s purely symbolic. That would have made more sense.

The thing that sticks out to me more and more when people like Ezra Klein or Dave Weigel get in trouble over things like this is that they’re both still quite young. Olbermann’s donations scandal was a natural outcome of an out-dated policy that was originally designed for NBC Nightly News. But these kind of stumbles with Klein and Weigel seem much more a product of youthful clumsiness than anything else. It seems we have two kinds of pundits these days: the way too old and out-of-touch to be relevant, and the way too young and naive to avoid becoming the story.

The thing that sticks out to me more and more when people like Ezra Klein or Dave Weigel get in trouble over things like this is that they’re both still quite young.

That is a very valid point. I’m somewhat in the middle but after 20 years in IT I don’t forgive idiots gracefully. I get what you are saying but Klein and Weigel should be savvy. It’s their job and it is their edge otherwise they are just another smart kid that has f*cked up.

lazzzlo said:
That is a very valid point. I’m somewhat in the middle but after 20 years in IT I don’t forgive idiots gracefully. I get what you are saying but Klein and Weigel should be savvy. It’s their job and it is their edge otherwise they are just another smart kid that has f*cked up.

I agree. They’re in the big leagues now. No mulligans.

Pablo said:
Why anyone ever mistook Ezra for a bright guy is beyond me.

nuff ‘ said

Maybe Ezra Klein has a point there. The constitution might be a little too ancient for a lot of our young folks to understand. We should update the language every now and then so that it remains current and folks can understand it better. Just a thought so don’t slam me for this!

http://www.ookisareviews.com

Klein is just another typical lefty….talks his crap so his lefty friends adore him…gets caught …then changes his story. He is no different than most, including the POTUS… Keep two or three versions of the same story going then no one understands and cannot be pinned down.

Paul Westlake said:
Clearly they don’t: Bush v Gore

You and Gore are both losers.

Even the NYT’s said Bush won the vote in Florida, so cry me a river!

Blair Maury said:
This site is just dreadful

Fact: Use google to find your own type of site that fits you!

Paul Westlake said:
You’re the second conservative scumbag to invite me to die on these boards

Fact: You don’t need to be whacked like you do with all your wienie spanking buddies but you can learn by reading your very own free pocket constitution from here!

http://www.askheritage.org/premium.aspx

You to can become a true patriot just read it for the first time yourself before posting about it!

Paul Westlake said:
Free speech is anathema to the left? Wow. You just topped your last moronic statement.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Paul, your ignorance never ceases to amaze me, and is exceeded only by your buffoonery. Check out, for a start, the free speech restrictions imposed by leftwing academics at more than 350 colleges and universities.

Everywhere the Left has power, they try to silence critics. Or, in the case of The View, they just walk off the set. Or in the case of MSNBC, they don’t allow opposing views air time. Or shout down opponents. Or in the case of the New York Times, they don’t cover stories embarrassing to their political heroes. Or in the case of NPR, they fire commentators who don’t toe a progressive party line. The Left HATES freedom of speech, except for themselves, as they demonstrate again and again and again.

Educate yourself, my friend, and learn how the world really operates.

felixw said:
Paul, your ignorance never ceases to amaze me, and is exceeded only by your buffoonery. Check out, for a start, the free speech restrictions imposed by leftwing academics at more than 350 colleges and universities.

Everywhere the Left has power, they try to silence critics. Or, in the case of The View, they just walk off the set. Or in the case of MSNBC, they don’t allow opposing views air time. Or shout down opponents. Or in the case of the New York Times, they don’t cover stories embarrassing to their political heroes. Or in the case of NPR, they fire commentators who don’t toe a progressive party line. The Left HATES freedom of speech, except for themselves, as they demonstrate again and again and again.

Educate yourself, my friend, and learn how the world really operates.

Paul does NOT want to hear about speech codes on campuses. DON’T confuse Paul with the facts. Facts make Paul VERY angry. Speech codes on college campuses is a good thing, and don’t tell Paul any different.

You don’t need to see his papers, these are not the Droids you are looking for…..

Does anyone wonder why the left wants the censorship doct… err….the Fairness Doctrine brought back. Net Neutrality, a progressives best friend.

Sidhekitten says:
“Net Neutrality, a progressives best friend.”

No, Net Neutrality is the Internet users (consumers, not providers) best friend. Unfortunately, so many people are dumbed down (misinformed) by Fox propaganda, that this and other information gets lost or purposely distorted. The misinformed come across as civics challenged and crippled in current events.

And to think, this guy claims Palin is not smart. What a dolt, founder of journolist, gossiper extraordinaire, regular dem lefty idiot.

notsofast said:
You and Gore are both losers.

Even the NYT’s said Bush won the vote in Florida, so cry me a river!

Bush did win the vote in Florida because there was never a recount. Way to state the obvious.

felixw said:
Paul, your ignorance never ceases to amaze me, and is exceeded only by your buffoonery. Check out, for a start, the free speech restrictions imposed by leftwing academics at more than 350 colleges and universities.

Everywhere the Left has power, they try to silence critics. Or, in the case of The View, they just walk off the set. Or in the case of MSNBC, they don’t allow opposing views air time. Or shout down opponents. Or in the case of the New York Times, they don’t cover stories embarrassing to their political heroes. Or in the case of NPR, they fire commentators who don’t toe a progressive party line. The Left HATES freedom of speech, except for themselves, as they demonstrate again and again and again.

Educate yourself, my friend, and learn how the world really operates.

Felix, the world operates in ways you clearly have zero experience with. I swear you must be a life-long shut-in. Most private universities are run by conservatives who establish those gag rules. And all universities are very controlling with the material generated under their auspices. The faculties have almost no power in the administration, which is why tenure is such a big deal. You seem to think that underlings make rules. But they don’t. You seem to think that liberals are the bosses everywhere. They aren’t. Whenever you see a gag rule, it’s probably coming from a conservative.

And a couple of personalities walking out on their own show is only proof of their own childishness, not some widespread liberal conspiracy to squash free speech. But you can make a mountain out of any molehill… as long as it fits your “liberals-are-always-evil-evil-evil” narrative. Every point you make about liberals is wrong. 100% flat wrong and totally paranoid. You are an incredibly paranoid individual. I mean, you must be terrified in cold sweats when you sleep every night, knowing there’s a cabal of liberal tyrants preparing to swoop down and control your every movement for the rest of your life. If they have so much more power even than massive global corporations, they MUST be ready to make their move any second now! Dude, your life is hanging in the balance! The liberals are coming! The liberals are coming!!!! AAAAAHHHHHH!!!! Run for your lives!!!!!!

[throws pots and pans at feral cat on fence... again]

tatboy said:
Paul does NOT want to hear about speech codes on campuses. DON’T confuse Paul with the facts. Facts make Paul VERY angry. Speech codes on college campuses is a good thing, and don’t tell Paul any different.

What speech codes? What felix is talking about is not about free speech, but publishing under university auspices. Like any owner, they have the right to tell their employees what they can and cannot publish with company resources, or how university property may be used. As a “pro-owner” kinda guy, I’d think you’d get that. When unions use company property for a strike, that’s free speech but it’s on private property. And I have no doubt that you’d stand up cheer as the union “thugs” were beaten back off the property or hosed down by the fire department. But, of course, you’re not actually a “pro-owner” kinda guy, you’re a “pro-whatever makes conservatives look good and liberals look bad even if it doesn’t make any sense” kinda guy. You and felix must have a lot in lowest common denominator.

Sidhekitten said:
Does anyone wonder why the left wants the censorship doct… err….the Fairness Doctrine brought back. Net Neutrality, a progressives best friend.

It’s true. Progressives win when facts are on the table. But the irony is that the “fairness doctrine” is exactly what Fox News pretends to be mimicking with “fair and balanced.” You don’t believe in the fairness doctrine but you DO believe in the Fox “fair and balanced” slogan? Now THAT’S a leap of faith! LOL!

- http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/12/corruption-ispart-ii-fair-and-balanced.html

If we get the Fairness Doctrine, will Olbermann have to go somewhere other than Daily Kos for his guests?

writer said:
If we get the Fairness Doctrine, will Olbermann have to go somewhere other than Daily Kos for his guests?

Yeah, probably. ;-)

Republican Tea Party members don’t want to RETURN to the Constitution, they want to hide behind it to mask their irrational fear and willful ignorance just like the Religious Right used the Bible to hide their irrational fear and willful ignorance. Fact is that, like the same King James version of the Bible that went on to be the primary foundation of the 1500 FORMAL Protestant sects, there are equally a great number of different ideological groups abusing a convoluted interpretation of the Constitution to support their cause.

FACT IS, the GOP are very good at shielding criticism of their failed policies not behind using ideas to defend those failures but HIDING behind symbols and vague notions of what those symbols mean to voters for support. In other words, instead of explaining how deregulations or trickle down economics are at all useful (when they are demonstrably useless), they simply state that they have Jesus and the Founding Fathers on their side and leave it at that. They try to evoke a feeling of morality and patriotism in defense of their policies because LOGIC cannot defend be used to support those policies because there is NO LOGIC to those policies.

Ezra’s too kind to suggest that the people in the Tea Party who claim to LOVE the Constitution are confused by it. In that assessment, at least he’s giving them the benefit of the doubt of having actually read it. If asked me, the Tea Party members are not CONFUSED by the Constitution, they are wholly ignorant of it’s contents because every with every policy they encounter, they show an absurd willingness to support policies or solutions that are in direct conflict with what is written in the Constitution.

But don’t worry Tea Party, you’re not the first people to hide behind symbols to defend terrible policies. The Nazis hid behind multiple symbols of nationalism to avoid criticism of their policies.

Mr.Papshmer said:
The cool part is that these are the people who think Palin’s stupid

Get back to us when Ezra Klein actually runs for a public office. The fact is Ezra is being kind by suggesting that man in the Tea Party who claim to support the Constitution are “confused by it”. It’s not that the majority of the Tea Party are confused by the Constitution. You can’t be confused by something you know nothing. The vast majority of the Tea Party haven’t even bothered to READ the Constitution to begin with.

A Kim Bo said:
that man

that MANY

Paul Westlake said:
Most private universities are run by conservatives who establish those gag rules.

This defies belief! Paul, you need to raise the level of your game. Every survey shows the opposite. Here is one finding that Democrats outnumber Republicans among academics by a margin of TWELVE TO ONE!

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/node/39861

Or check out this study, which comes up with similar results.

http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/07/23/why-do-sociologists-lean-left-really-left/

And I could go on and on and on. This issue has been carefully studied and documented, and no sensible, informed person can make the kind of claim you are trying to pass off on us.

Try a response that might convince even a feral cat next time.

Paul Westlake said:
And all universities are very controlling with the material generated under their auspices.

Conservatives just hate universities because that’s where that evil learning is done. They think that because there are an overabundance of liberals and that’s a bad thing. Just like it’s a bad thing that there are too many “liberals” in Hollywood.

Somehow it’s the liberals fault that the smartest and most creative Americans tend to be drawn toward the places and occupations where the smart and creative can culminate. And, by virtue, that means that the smartest and most creative Americans tend to be liberals.

You don’t hear me whining about the huge presence of conservatives in corporate board rooms. I kind of expect the place where unfettered selfish greed that thrives by pandering to the lowest common denominator of the American psyche to be the place where conservatives thrive most. It’s what conservatives do best, undermine the intelligence of Americans to try to make a buck off of them.

But if it makes these goons feel better, we can do a swap. We can take some university professors and swap jobs with some CEOs to balance things out. We can make Cornel West the CEO of Koch Industries and we can let Donald Trump become a professor in History at a state university. Of course, he’ll have to take a 90% salary cut to do so.

AGAIN fake conservatives, there’s a reason that smart and creative people tend to be liberal just like there’s a reason greedy people tend to be conservative.

felixw said:
Here is one finding that Democrats outnumber Republicans among academics by a margin of TWELVE TO ONE!

That’s right, it’s the fault of LIBERALS that people who pride intelligence over money tend to be liberal. And the converse is true of conservatives- they tend to be people who pride money over intelligence.

Again, if you’d like to work out a trade between college professors and CEOs so that conservatives can stop having a fake moral outrage hissy fit about how “academia was somehow taken over by liberals” instead of recognizing that academia simply appeals to those who virtue intelligence and thus appeals to liberals, I’m game. Of course, if we worked out some trades between academics and CEOs who then try to do the other’s job, that would mean that the corporate policies built on willful ignorance of anything other than bottom line facts that control the GOP would be a heck of a lot different. For example, since academics don’t feel the need to deny that there is man made climate change like too many willfully ignorant CEOs do (of course, only for the bottom line and not based on the facts) then you would see a huge shift in our energy policies.

So what say you. Wanna make Cornel West leader of KOCH INDUSTRIES and let Donald Trump teach history at Indiana University (for a massive pay cut for him)? Maybe if you had a real academic heading the likes of Koch Industries, the world would never have to hear a bunch of corporate-sponsored anti-science hookum against climate change anymore.

writer says:
“If we get the Fairness Doctrine, will Olbermann have to go somewhere other than Daily Kos for his guests?”

I have criticized Beck for asking dishonest questions. This one, if you really mean it, is an ignorant question, posed by someone who doesn’t watch Olbermann (and I really can understand why). Your question was ignorant because he gets guests from all over the left world including Congress. You question was already answered by Westlake.

FYI: I’d like to see conservatives on Countdown and liberals on the Glenn Beck show. Beck is terrified to argue with “idiots.” Ironic, huh?

tatboy said:
Paul does NOT want to hear about speech codes on campuses

The CODES tend to originate from the administration (who tend to be CONSERVATIVE) and not the professors (who are the evil liberals you say you hate). And AGAIN campuses are private property just like the owners of Helen Thomas’ column were a private company and thus capable of setting restrictions.

Technically, women in certain cities can walk around town in a bikini or even topless. But if a Bikini-ed or topless women try to take a seat in a college classroom, she be asked to leave because she is considered a disturbance.

Additionally, Juan Williams has the right to stand on a street corner and say that Muslims make him nervous to anyone who will listen or Helen Thomas can stand in a public park and tell all to hear that all Jews should go back to Poland but if they make these statements on the job, they run the risk of being fired. Why, because of jurisdiction. CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS are between the individual and the State (ie the government), not between the individual and their employer or their educator. The same reason that primary schools can tell kids what clothes they can wear is the same reason that universities can limit what students say.

Which gets us back to the original point of CONSERVATIVES being CONFUSED by the Constitution. If you’re too confused to realize that ALL FREE SPEECH is not supported by the Constitution in every instance and in every venue, then Ezra is right. Too Americans are willfully ignorant of how the law works. Thanks for proving that, tool.

A Kim Bo said:
Too Americans

Too MANY Americans…

A Kim Bo said:
We can take some university professors and swap jobs with some CEOs to balance things out. We can make Cornel West the CEO of Koch Industries and we can let Donald Trump become a professor in History at a state university. Of course, he’ll have to take a 90% salary cut to do so. AGAIN fake conservatives, there’s a reason that smart and creative people tend to be liberal just like there’s a reason greedy people tend to be conservative.

While I believe Trump could teach history at a state university, there is no doubt the university professors would fail miserably at running a company. Most have tried to enter the private sector and have either failed miserably or haven’t gotten through the front door. That’s why they’re teaching. A lot different skill level.

” he gets guests from all over the left world….”

Ever heard of sarcasm, GBR? That was sort of my point when I said Keith gets his guests from Kos. While you’ll criticize Beck for not having opposing guests, you never seem to complain so much about Olby. Could it be because you’re on the far, far, far, far, far, far, far left?

Technically, women in certain cities can walk around town in a bikini or even topless.

A Kim Bo, could you tell us which cities?

felixw said:
This defies belief! Paul, you need to raise the level of your game. Every survey shows the opposite. Here is one finding that Democrats outnumber Republicans among academics by a margin of TWELVE TO ONE!

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/node/39861

Or check out this study, which comes up with similar results.

http://organizationsandmarkets.com/2006/07/23/why-do-sociologists-lean-left-really-left/

And I could go on and on and on. This issue has been carefully studied and documented, and no sensible, informed person can make the kind of claim you are trying to pass off on us.

Try a response that might convince even a feral cat next time.

You may want to learn to distinguish between “faculty” and “administration” at some point in your life. Could come in handy.

[throws entire plate glass window at feral cat on fence]

A Kim Bo said:
Just like it’s a bad thing that there are too many “liberals” in Hollywood.

That is one of my favorites – since ALL the production houses are owned and ALL the productions are green-lighted by conservatives. The right can be very amusing at times!

A Kim Bo said:
But if it makes these goons feel better, we can do a swap. We can take some university professors and swap jobs with some CEOs to balance things out. We can make Cornel West the CEO of Koch Industries and we can let Donald Trump become a professor in History at a state university. Of course, he’ll have to take a 90% salary cut to do so.

Trump would actually make a pretty good teacher if he ever got his ADD under control. But I ADORE the idea of West in charge of Koch! Very “Putney Swope!”

- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064855/

A Kim Bo said:
AGAIN fake conservatives, there’s a reason that smart and creative people tend to be liberal just like there’s a reason greedy people tend to be conservative.

And they both point to why conservatives spend so much time trying to claim that liberal policies that came before were really conservative ideas all along, from the abolition of slavery all the way back to the founding of America itself. I always enjoy reminding conservatives that their counterparts in the 18th century were called Tories and they sided with England in the American Revolution. They believe Tories were big government liberals and that the Revolution was fought to eliminate government – not to make one of, by and for the people – of course, so it’s fun to watch the pretzel logic. ;-)

writer said:
Technically, women in certain cities can walk around town in a bikini or even topless.

A Kim Bo, could you tell us which cities?

Well, I don’t know about topless, but women can certainly walk around NYC in bikinis if they want (not that they’d want to today, of course!). But, yeah, if bikini girl sat in class at NYU, she’d be booted… unless it was a swim meet. ;-)

Bikini tops don’t cut it. I want to know where the topless cities are.

writer said:
Bikini tops don’t cut it. I want to know where the topless cities are.

Ever been to a nude beach? It’s not all it’s cracked up to be. ;-)

You have to think outside the box.

A Kim Bo said:
That’s right, it’s the fault of LIBERALS that people who pride intelligence over money tend to be liberal. And the converse is true of conservatives- they tend to be people who pride money over intelligence.

Again, if you’d like to work out a trade between college professors and CEOs so that conservatives can stop having a fake moral outrage hissy fit about how “academia was somehow taken over by liberals” instead of recognizing that academia simply appeals to those who virtue intelligence and thus appeals to liberals, I’m game. Of course, if we worked out some trades between academics and CEOs who then try to do the other’s job, that would mean that the corporate policies built on willful ignorance of anything other than bottom line facts that control the GOP would be a heck of a lot different. For example, since academics don’t feel the need to deny that there is man made climate change like too many willfully ignorant CEOs do (of course, only for the bottom line and not based on the facts) then you would see a huge shift in our energy policies.

So what say you. Wanna make Cornel West leader of KOCH INDUSTRIES and let Donald Trump teach history at Indiana University (for a massive pay cut for him)? Maybe if you had a real academic heading the likes of Koch Industries, the world would never have to hear a bunch of corporate-sponsored anti-science hookum against climate change anymore.

Actually, people with higher levels of education tend to vote Republican, while people who dropped out of high school are overwhelmingly Democrat. The statistics on this are unambiguous. My point was different, namely that college academics who impose speech controls on college campuses tend to be overwhelmingly leftwing. Anyone who denies this is either ignorant or disingenuous, or perhaps both.

writer said:
You have to think outside the box.

Ba-dum!

Paul Westlake said:
- http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/12/corruption-ispart-ii-fair-and-balanced.html

Holy Crap! PW is linking to GBR’s website!

felixw said:
Actually, people with higher levels of education tend to vote Republican, while people who dropped out of high school are overwhelmingly Democrat. The statistics on this are unambiguous.

Actually, they’re a tad ambiguous, and show you to be mostly wrong… as usual…

VOTE BY EDUCATION – 2006

TOTAL___Democrat___Republican

No High School (3%)__64%__35%
H.S. Graduate (21%)__55%__44%
Some College (31%)__51%__47%
College Graduate (27%)__49%__49%
Postgraduate (18%)__58%__41%

VOTE BY EDUCATION – 2008

Total___Obama___McCain___Other/No Answer

No High School (4%)__63%__35%__2%
H.S. Graduate (20%)__52%__46%__2%
Some College (31%)__51%__47%__2%
College Graduate (28%)__50%__48%__2%
Postgraduate (17%)__58%__40%__2%

VOTE BY EDUCATION – 2010

Democrat___Republican___Other/No Answer

No High School (3%)__57%__36%__7%
H.S. Graduate (17%)__46%__52%__2%
Some College (28%)__43%__53%__4%
College Graduate (30%)__40%__58%__2%
Postgraduate (21%)__53%__45%__2%

So, it appears that 2010 saw a shift in college graduates moving to the GOP. But, in direct contrast to the point you were trying to make, the MOST educated group – postgraduate – remained solidly Democratic despite the slight shift toward the GOP. And the one thing that really stands out in these statistics, is that the winning side tends to get more votes in more categories. Kinda makes sense, since they won. Eh?

It’s like skeet with you. You keep sending the lies up only to get shot down.

Pull!

lol

SmartAlec said:
Holy Crap! PW is linking to GBR’s website!

It’s true. I’ve done it before, too. But this time I actually wrote the article. Shameless self-promotion? Of course! What do you expect from the media? ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
VOTE BY EDUCATION – 2006

TOTAL___Democrat___Republican

No High School (3%)__64%__35%
H.S. Graduate (21%)__55%__44%
Some College (31%)__51%__47%
College Graduate (27%)__49%__49%
Postgraduate (18%)__58%__41%

VOTE BY EDUCATION – 2008

Total___Obama___McCain___Other/No Answer

No High School (4%)__63%__35%__2%
H.S. Graduate (20%)__52%__46%__2%
Some College (31%)__51%__47%__2%
College Graduate (28%)__50%__48%__2%
Postgraduate (17%)__58%__40%__2%

VOTE BY EDUCATION – 2010

Democrat___Republican___Other/No Answer

No High School (3%)__57%__36%__7%
H.S. Graduate (17%)__46%__52%__2%
Some College (28%)__43%__53%__4%
College Graduate (30%)__40%__58%__2%
Postgraduate (21%)__53%__45%__2%

Also, these exit polls perfectly illustrate Alexander Pope’s point – a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. People with street smarts vote Democratic, and people with REAL smarts vote Democratic. It’s all the people in between, with just enough knowledge to be dangerous, that vote Republican. And away we go… wooooooo!

Paul Westlake said:
You may want to learn to distinguish between “faculty” and “administration” at some point in your life. Could come in handy.

[throws entire plate glass window at feral cat on fence]

You don’t think the administration of universities is made up of faculty members? You are pushing on a string, my friend. Your argument doesn’t work. That dog won’t hunt.

Paul Westlake said:
Also, these exit polls perfectly illustrate Alexander Pope’s point – a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. People with street smarts vote Democratic, and people with REAL smarts vote Democratic. It’s all the people in between, with just enough knowledge to be dangerous, that vote Republican. And away we go… wooooooo!

The evidence is clear. If you do well and graduate and get a job, you vote Republican. If you aren’t smart enough to get a job, and stick around the campus, you vote Democrat.

felixw said:
You don’t think the administration of universities is made up of faculty members? You are pushing on a string, my friend. Your argument doesn’t work. That dog won’t hunt.

No it isn’t. The admin is the admin, the faculty is the faculty. What little crossover there may be exists only in rare circumstances. Maybe if you had actually attended college you would know these things.

felixw said:
The evidence is clear. If you do well and graduate and get a job, you vote Republican. If you aren’t smart enough to get a job, and stick around the campus, you vote Democrat.

Right, because all the people with post-graduate degrees – which, btw, includes ALL the MBAs you apparently worship – are just bumming around the campus because they’re too stupid to get jobs. Calling you an idiot is an insult to idiots.

felixw said:
Actually, people with higher levels of education tend to vote Republican, while people who dropped out of high school are overwhelmingly Democrat

Actually that’s not the case. Sorry but the states that have the lowest education results are almost overwhelmingly Red States and the states with the highest levels of not only college graduates but also salaries are more likely to be a blue state. There’s nothing ambiguous about that.

felixw said:
My point was different, namely that college academics who impose speech controls on college campuses tend to be overwhelmingly leftwing

Your point is that you are holding a Constitutional standard in a venue where the full extent of the Constitution does not apply. And as with your statement about the “more educated being conservative”, your belief that speech control in universities is the exclusive work of the LIBERALS you simply haven’t bothered to provide any basic citations to support that statement. You know, just because Rush Limbaugh says it is so doesn’t make it so. If you want to consider yourself truly educated, you might want to learn the facts that support your claim.

Clearly you’re one of those pseudo-educated types who are smart enough to hate poor people but dumb enough not to know why you do. And, thus, you blame your confusion about not understanding where and when the Constitution does and does not apply on those dastardly LIBERALS with their ADVANCED DEGREES.

felixw said:
The evidence is clear. If you do well and graduate and get a job, you vote Republican.

Except if you vote Republican and get Republican leadership you get a job that pays you far less than what you would earn in a truly educated area of the country.

felixw said:
If you aren’t smart enough to get a job, and stick around the campus, you vote Democrat.

The vast majority of people with advance college degrees are not professors. They are often what we call YOUR BOSS. No wonder you’re threatened by them.

I wrote,
” he gets guests from all over the left world….”

“writer” says:
“Ever heard of sarcasm, GBR? That was sort of my point when I said Keith gets his guests from Kos. While you’ll criticize Beck for not having opposing guests, you never seem to complain so much about Olby. ”

Try actually paying attention, “writer.” I have complained about Olbermann (do you ever see me distort Beck’s name? Oh, I have a nasty but appropriate word for his first name.) not saying things that are exactly factual (O’Donnell, he claimed, IS a witch, when she WAS a witch) and when he gets something wrong like the Fox transcripts to Beck’s show which he believed were “whitewashed.”

So far as who Olbermann has on his show, it’s not Keith who wrote Arguing with Idiots and then refuses to argue with “idiots.”. It’s Beck who is the hypocrite for his refusal to argue face to face, but you and the rest of his gullible supporters turn blind eyes towards Beck many faults, including his hypocrisy.

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