I don’t think I actually suggested that Bush win a Nobel. He certainly didn’t (as of yet) do enough to earn one… but then again, neither did Obama.

You’re thinking as if it’s a bad thing.

Not a bad thing… but if it doesn’t yield positive results (which thus far it hasn’t), is it a good thing? No… just a waste of time.

Welcome to the 21st century. The Cold War doesn’t exist anymore. The Iron Curtain has fallen. The Czech Republic and Poland are members of NATO and European Union, two organizations with defense pacts.

>The point is, for all his talk

Exactly. Diplomacy is talking. Obama changed the diplomatic climate of the entire world. You’re thinking as if it’s a bad thing. Bush isn’t President anymore; we actually talk to people now and don’t just piss all over everybody.

If you think you can convince anyone, especially a committee of people whose sole task is to find someone worthy enough of the criteria given by Alfred Nobel, with that George W. Bush was a net positive to the world after all he’s done of pissing over allies, instigating world diplomatic instability, letting North Korea run amok, invading countries for false pretenses, focusing on unilateral foreign policies, discarding international rule of law and organizations – all just because he carried out a policy that yourself most likely politically considered to be horrible anyway (foreign aid = handouts).

In the eyes of the foreign community at large he was absolutely horrible in every category except aids prevention. That one positive doesn’t change my mind about him, and it won’t change anyone else’s either.

Yes, he’s certified elections that were clearly fraudulent. He’s attacking America when it suits his needs. He’s befriended terrorist groups, and attack Israel at every opportunity. What a guy.

He should stick to building houses… a legitimately good thing he created, and keep away from international affairs.

Thanks for being able to find the only one generally agreed good accomplishment of George W. Bush.

Hey, no problem. Always happy to prove you wrong.

Yes. They don’t know anything because they’re just totally not next door and totally were a part of the Soviet Union at one point. They don’t eat Republican meme dog food.

Um… what? As you proved, they eat Liberal dog food… why are you surprised by this?

All from doing the bureaucratic work such as keeping a log of international treaties to being the official world body which legitimatize military actions.

Yes, they’re essentially a world secretary… however their ability to effect real change, not theoretical mumbo-jumbo is nil.

Just because it’s not bombs doesn’t mean it doesn’t yield results.

What results? What are the concrete results? Not notes in book… but real, tangible, results?

Dropping the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, in return for having improved relations with Russia.

And terrifying the Polish and Czech’s that Russia will invade them. He made nice with one group, at the peril of another. What happens if Russia invades or attacks those countries? Will Obama still be a hero?

Obama also clearly uses our dominance as a world power to advance moral causes in international issues, such as resurrecting the notion of nuclear disarmament (which until now had been completely stalemated).

Yeah… how’s that working out?

The point is, for all his talk… he’s brought nothing substantial to hang his hat on.

It’s amazing how oblivious you are about the Carter Center and what he’s done to the world. Just because talk radio hasn’t mentioned his accomplishments doesn’t mean there aren’t any. Carter’s resume is absolutely incredible. How many treaties and negotiations has he brokered? How many elections has his institution observed? A helluvalot. Camp David Accords, Panama Canal treaties, SALT II, Agreed Framework, Nairobi Agreement, Ecuador/Columbia agreement. Observed elections several times over in countries like Bangladesh, China, Ivory Coast, Congo, Dominican Republic, East Timor, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Ghana, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Indonesia, Israel, Palestine, Jamaica, Kenya, Lebanon, Liberia, Mali, Mexico, Mozambique, Nepal, Nicaragua, etc.

>Except in Africa where he’s a hero for devoting more money and resources to AIDS prevention than anyone else.

Thanks for being able to find the only one generally agreed good accomplishment of George W. Bush.

>So clearly they’re the folks you want making this decision… when they apparently don’t know what’s going on.

Yes. They don’t know anything because they’re just totally not next door and totally were a part of the Soviet Union at one point. They don’t eat Republican meme dog food.

>I’ve noticed that you’re able to overlook massive scandal, when it helps your argument or folks on your side of the aisle

The scandal is bad, no doubt about that. The UN isn’t a flawless institution (e.g.. UN Commission on Human Rights), but there’s absolutely no doubt that the UN in general has contributed to geopolitics. All from doing the bureaucratic work such as keeping a log of international treaties to being the official world body which legitimatize military actions.

>So essentially the Security Council gets a pat on the back for “trying,” but nobody really expects them to accomplish anything in the “real world.”

When countries get slapped with decisions by the Security Council, it means business since. Just because it’s not bombs doesn’t mean it doesn’t yield results.

>This is NOTHING substantial anyone can point to… other than talk.

Uh, it’s talk that he got the award for. Diplomacy IS talk. He got the award for setting a new climate of diplomacy in the world. An example of this? Dropping the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, in return for having improved relations with Russia. Obama also clearly uses our dominance as a world power to advance moral causes in international issues, such as resurrecting the notion of nuclear disarmament (which until now had been completely stalemated).

Jimmy Carter has been an embarrassment, and despite all his blather… has accomplished nothing in terms of “world peace.” Kofi Annan was involved in a number of UN scandals, and the UN has accomplished little to nothing of substantial interest. And Al Gore made a movie and millions of dollars off it… whoopee. Sooooo… “peace and stability” I’ve yet to see any of that. But maybe that follows the Obama/NPP guidelines… “It’s not what you DO… it’s what you talk about doing, even if nothing changes.”

You think George W. Bush would win the Nobel Peace Prize? Ever? Hell no. His foreign policy is pretty much considered antagonistic and unilateral…

Except in Africa where he’s a hero for devoting more money and resources to AIDS prevention than anyone else. WHOOPS… forgot, we’re not supposed to talk about that. In that case, no… he’ll never win. Once again, speaking to ideology, more than rational.

If you mention it to a European, they’re like “what the eff are you talking about?”.

So clearly they’re the folks you want making this decision… when they apparently don’t know what’s going on.

I’ve noticed that you have a penchant to completely take things out of context, strip their meaning and misinterpret things completely.

And I’ve noticed that you’re able to overlook massive scandal, when it helps your argument or folks on your side of the aisle. But when the roles are reversed, forgiveness is not something you possess. “Oil For Food” (as well as other scandal) puts Annan out in the cold when it comes to deserving the NPP.

Military usage and possibly wars are prevented by the fact that countries or governments know they can’t get approval, thus they are persuaded to seek other means to solve their conflicts. Of course this never applies to all cases because countries can always ignore their decision anyway…

So essentially the Security Council gets a pat on the back for “trying,” but nobody really expects them to accomplish anything in the “real world.” And this is a positive? To me, theories are nice… but if they don’t yield results, they’re still failures.

m says:
October 9, 2009 at 6:10 pm

Go back and re-read the comments from your “LIBRUL” friends on this site… then tell me who’s off the rails, or “not intellectual.” HA! The left-wing blogger’s ego is a pretty impressive thing. If we could somehow harness their sense of self-satisfaction into an alternative energy source, we’d manage to power our homes, cars, and offices for hundreds of years to come. And if we managed to hook up their hypocrisy too… well, forget about!

m says:
October 9, 2009 at 9:25 pm

Here’s the transcript from Time.com.

Essentially, unless M would like to disagree… Mr. Jagland’s rational was, “Obama hasn’t done anything concrete, but he has talked a lot, talked to the UN (a group we’ve already said we like), and talked some more.” This is NOTHING substantial anyone can point to (wow me, M), other than talk. But apparently talk enough, convince people you’re going to do “something,” even if after time you’ve done nothing… and that’s good enough to win you an NPP.

Some people see the people in need, and lend a helping hand. Obama sees people in need, and tells everyone else how THEY should lend a hand. At the end of the day, they’re left still waiting for that hand… and Obama’s got another award on the mantel.

Wow. It wasn’t the entire list. I just highlighted the fact that maybe more left-wingers win because they actually change the world in positive ways that contribute to peace and stability. It’s not about left vs right, it’s about good vs bad. And so far, liberals have so far done far more good in this world than conservatives. You think George W. Bush would win the Nobel Peace Prize? Ever? Hell no. His foreign policy is pretty much considered antagonistic and unilateral, hardly factors which promote peace, cooperation and understanding.

Just want to add the fact that you know why Reagan didn’t get the Nobel Prize? Because outside the United States nobody believes that it was him alone that helped bring the Soviet Union down. It’s only Republicans inside the United States that keep repeating that thing. If you mention it to a European, they’re like “what the eff are you talking about?”.

>Yes, “Oil For Food” really changed a lot of lives.

I’ve noticed that you have a penchant to completely take things out of context, strip their meaning and misinterpret things completely. You’d have to be stupid to believe that everything the UN does and contributed to the world is summarized in the Oil for Food program.

For example, the Security Council as an institution changed global politics forever since WW2 because it added an IR norm where countries need to seek approval of their military actions from a world forum in order for it to be considered an internationally legitimate procedure. Despite its many flaws, the Security Council is still considered the prime forum where world order is dictated. Military usage and possibly wars are prevented by the fact that countries or governments know they can’t get approval, thus they are persuaded to seek other means to solve their conflicts. Of course this never applies to all cases because countries can always ignore their decision anyway (or vetoed), but the introduction of the Security Council is a net-gain because every war that starts without its approval will always be considered an internationally illegitimate action.

Ugh… it never fails. When they can’t make the argument, when they can’t defend or talk logically or respectively about the issue… they being with the “racism” charge. How disgusting. How insulting to the actual victims of racism through the years. How pathetic.

But when Obama (a black man) wins, they shit a brick -just like they did when Desmond Tutu won and that fat, racist mound of blubber Jerry Falwell called him a “phony”.

Well, wasn’t it YOU who pointed out their penchant for “honoring” left-wingers?

It was given half to Kofi Annan and half to the United Nations (as an organization). The UN has greatly contributed to world politics.

Yes, “Oil For Food” really changed a lot of lives.

Yup. The Nobel Peace Prize Committee leans conservative and thus has a conservative bias. Pwned.

Of course. Everything that isn’t Fox News or talk radio has a liberal bias, including Wikipedia and the E=mc2. I totally forgot about that.

>The Nobel committee has continued down the path of irrelevancy. The committee has made some fairly bad choices for the last decade or so
>1994 Yasser Arafat (A terrorist)

He shared it with the President and Prime Minister of Israel. Are they terrorists too?

>2001 Kofi Annan (Anti-American Politician)

It was given half to Kofi Annan and half to the United Nations (as an organization). The UN has greatly contributed to world politics.

>2005 Mohamed El Baradei (A fool and a Liar)

Of course. He’s the guy who said Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and HE’S the liar? You’re the fool because you believe in the lie.

>2002 Jimmy Carter (Anti American Politician)
2009 Barrack Obama (Anti-American Politician)

You’re the anti-American because you believe as soon as another American has a dissenting opinion from you they somehow don’t love this country. You should move to Iran or North Korea, cause that type of society probably fits you more.

>2007 Al Gore (A large fool and liar)

Yawn. When Science or Nature published articles that completely debunk global warming then I’ll change my opinion, but because that hasn’t happened I think I’m going to side with Al Gore on this issue over Rush Limbaugh.

The Nobel committee has continued down the path of irrelevancy. The committee has made some fairly bad choices for the last decade or so, its anti-America agenda fits in perfectly with Mr. Obama’s. The following is a list of recent Nobel winners.
1994 Yasser Arafat (A terrorist)
2001 Kofi Annan (Anti-American Politician)
2002 Jimmy Carter (Anti American Politician)
2005 Mohamed El Baradei (A fool and a Liar)
2007 Al Gore (A large fool and liar)
2009 Barrack Obama (Anti-American Politician)

This is a collection of Leftist doofuses, unknown bureaucrats, petty dictators, terrorists, conmen, and crooks. What distinguished company, Mister President “No Clue”. The continuing journey to mental retardation is firmly imbedded in our society; this is not all that different from giving an Oscar to a pedophile.

Nobel Committee “How does it feel to be laughed at by the entire world”? The children in my area of the country would call it being “Punked”.

What is your thoughts on that Colby? Agree/Disagree?

I believe that the right is WAY overplaying this >

The right Colby? Is Chuck Todd on the right? Is the American Morning cast on the right? Is all of Morning Joe on the right? I could go on and on. This has nothing to do with a left/right issue. This is a flat out joke and you know it.

You tell us what Obama did in his two weeks in office (the voting period was over then) to deserve this award? Please share!

It was Chuckie Todd who said that Obama shouldn’t accept the award.

I think the only thing that has happened is that YOU SIR have overplayed your hand. You’ve shown a complete lack of objectivity at all and your biased headlines are getting old.

P.S. You might have pointed out that Obama is FINALLY giving some money to charity since before he was began running for Prez, he was only giving 2% or so of his income.

And Scott, I wouldn’t have jumped on your for your HE/SHE mix up or your “Caviot” except you spent 33% of your post knocking me. I do appreciate and would agree that Wei Jingsheng and others need to be recognized, and a simple response to my question would have sufficed, instead of telling me that I am not who I say I am… just an fyi

Caviot? I believe the word you are looking for is “caveat.” Maybe?

Also, “after seeing some of your comment post on here” needs to be re-read and corrected.

I have an MFA from SDSU. I would LOVE to proof your posts next time. So, if you want to get on me for typos in a comment thread, Scottie boy, make sure you re-read yours first. Thanks sweetie…

Also, you seem to get mixed up and confuse the J in my name with an I. Simple mistake (made twice), but I realize that J and I are tough letters.

This BS about the left “hurting the soldiers” is silly. We didn’t want them to go off and fight/die in an unnecessary war. That seems to me like a corrupt act. But, you have no problem with that.

Also, great research there. (Again, plenty of typos, but we’ll look past that…) As for Wei Jingsheng – HE is not a SHE, first of all. Thank you for actually giving me someone, but how about someone you know something about and not just someone you googled….

great day!-

So in future, Colby, if you want to keep things civil, how about you not slap people with a fish in the headline/article to begin with?

That said, it’s a bit infantile to ask a loaded question like that, then be impressed with yourself for answering your own question? Gee, we had no idea what you thought the answer was – thanks for spelling it out.

It’s still rude and uncalled for… especially on a PUBLIC forum like this.

Sorry for jumping in on you and Chris Jones inside joke. I do however get tired of hearing the complaint that anyone who disagrees with the President or his policies is a racist.

And yes, you were robbed. If you rode your bike to work then you do deserve a prize.

Maybe, we are cool. Maybe we are…

I think you will have to state what your advanced degree was in and from where before you get kudos for being so enlightened. After seeing some of your comment post on here I surely doubt your claims. You will also have to explain the ” if you disagree with Obama you are racist” claim that you have used twice in the comments. I am not racist but disagree with Obama daily. I also think that the award was misplaced and only solidifies the award as a farce.

Isnt it funny how the left and people like til think that undermining a war and hurting our own soldiers during a war is patriotic but not wanting the most corrupt city in the country to get the Olympics isnt? The difference is no US citizen stands to get hurt or killed in opposition to the olympics. Also, just a caviot, but the right wasn’t against the Olympics but only laughing at Obama from trying to use is so called clout to get the Olympics and fail. The reason it is so funny is because the left as declared him the savior and the world uniter. It is funny because each time he does these things he continues to fail and that notion is farther and farther from reality. proving that the left have disengaged from reality many years ago.

til also ask who should have gotten it… how about anyone else who actually done something not just talked about doing something. But other than that top the list was the dissidents to china for the Tienanmen massacre, that sounds like a noble one to me. How about Wei Jingsheng she is a human rights activist in China that spent 17 years in prison for standing up for human rights. See the difference…people that actually make a stand, do something, maybe even sacrifice something for that believe. Instead they all get slapped in the face by this committee by shunning them for someone that wants to do something maybe one day. Despicable!

good day-