You go where the fraud is. Is there something wrong with that?

Be on the look out for covert ACORN Black Panthers with extra dead people ballots.

No doubt in my mind, as an Illinoisan, that Mark Kirk will lose!!!

It’s about time; thankfully someone is standing up for voter integrity. The jiggering of the numbers has been a problem for a long long time, and the evidence of falsification of voter polls by ACORN et al, has been proven accurate. Now, if NY could just get it’s act together…that they have disenfranchised our military from voting in this upcoming election is a shame and a disgrace.

Talking Points Memo said:
“Voter fraud” has been the rally cry for conservative groups seeking to make it more difficult to cast ballots and suppress minority voter turnout.

To make it more difficult to cast ballots and supress minority voter turnout……..yeah, that’s why. Hilarious. Unbiased reporting at it’s best.

By the way, liberal groups have NEVER cried “voter fraud,” right?

Seems to me that voter fraud is frequently cried by both sides.

Talking Points Memo . …How about some Al Jazeera and Daily Kos stories , too ?

It is obvious that Democratic party machines steal elections–from Tammany Hall in NYC to the Chicago machine helping JFK to Al Franken’s recent theft of a senatorial election. It is also clear that Eric Holder’s corrupt Justice Dept has no intention of ensuring electoral integrity (see Philadelphia New Black Panther case).

My advice to Mark Kirk is to have monitors at every polling station, although even then, the Democrats will probably still find a way to steal the election.

Azarkhan said:
It is obvious that Democratic party machines steal elections–from Tammany Hall in NYC to the Chicago machine helping JFK to Al Franken’s recent theft of a senatorial election. It is also clear that Eric Holder’s corrupt Justice Dept has no intention of ensuring electoral integrity (see Philadelphia New Black Panther case).

My advice to Mark Kirk is to have monitors at every polling station, although even then, the Democrats will probably still find a way to steal the election.

Also, test your water because the administration has probably tainted it in an effort to convert you to Communism. And the commercials during your favorite television programs are sending you subliminal messages demanding you vote Democrat this November.

paulmdoro said:
are sending you subliminal messages

Fortunately you are not sending subliminal messages. Your stupidity and wanton disregard of the facts is on public display for everyone to see.

Azarkhan said:
Fortunately you are not sending subliminal messages. Your stupidity and wanton disregard of the facts is on public display for everyone to see.

You wouldn’t know a fact if it hit you square across the face. Do you ever go back and read your posts? Their rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth partisanship and one-sided nature is stupefying. You live in a fantasy world, a world that does not exist. One side is good, one side is bad. And you have the nerve to call someone else stupid? Take a long, hard look in the mirror Azarkhan. I am not the one unable to see the world as it is. That would be you.

Azarkhan said:
It is obvious that Democratic party machines steal elections–from Tammany Hall in NYC to the Chicago machine helping JFK to Al Franken’s recent theft of a senatorial election. It is also clear that Eric Holder’s corrupt Justice Dept has no intention of ensuring electoral integrity (see Philadelphia New Black Panther case). My advice to Mark Kirk is to have monitors at every polling station, although even then, the Democrats will probably still find a way to steal the election.

The Franken thing was really, really shady – it is extremely rare for a candidate to be ahead after the votes are counted, as Coleman was, and then lose on the recount. The way the recount was handled, the legal process, which votes were allowed and which ones weren’t, Coleman losing every legal challenge, etc. Anyone looking at all factors objectively would have to say “wow, this looks really fishy.”

That said, the election was really close, and if that many people in MN actually wanted Al Franken as their Senator, well now they have him – falling asleep in Senate hearings, making asinine faces and hand gestures while Republican Senators speak, interrupting people, and all else that comes with him. At least he gives folks an occasional flashback to SNL.

MN also elected Jesse Ventura governor. I guess they’re a little kooky.

paulmdoro said:
one-sided nature is stupefying

So you are in a stupor? Well, at least that explains your rambling, incoherent comments.

paulmdoro said:
Talking Points Memo tried to reach the Kirk campaign when the audio emerged last week on the blog ArchPundit to confirm its authenticity, but we did not hear back. Blogger Larry Handlin told TPM he promised not to give away information about the source, but said it was recorded on Monday or Tuesday of last week.

Already recruited Michelle Bachman’s son to teach at the indoctrination camps.

paulmdoro said:
MN also elected Jesse Ventura governor. I guess they’re a little kooky.

This happened in MN like in the US now.

Jesse is now officially over the cliff. When he was elected Governor he had a radio talk show and had been Mayor of a city.
Jesse started the push for light rail, and gave BACK taxes that were over the budget, something both left and right wanted to spend.

gordonbloyershow said:
You go where the fraud is. Is there something wrong with that?

For Republicans, of course, it always seems that the fear and paranoia are inspired by the threat of African-Americans voting.

Azarkhan said:
So you are in a stupor? Well, at least that explains your rambling, incoherent comments.

That’s the best you can do? Sad. It also seems like your retort is an acknowledgment of your worldview. At least you are aware of the fantasy world you live in.

Andy Lamb said:
That said, the election was really close, and if that many people in MN actually wanted Al Franken as their Senator, well now they have him – falling asleep in Senate hearings, making asinine faces and hand gestures while Republican Senators speak, interrupting people, and all else that comes with him. At least he gives folks an occasional flashback to SNL.

Do you think that kind of thing never happened before Franken got there. I’m thinking we could find things about 10 times more objectionable if we really knew what went on.

Don’t forget the Stimulus checks going out to dead people & felons – THAT’S THE DEMOCRATIC BASE!!!
LOL!

These “community organizers” have no regard for our voting laws, as was shown in countless fraud investigations and indictments of the Anti-American group ACORN!

They are a bunch of corruption-peddling freeloaders scoffing up the working people’s tax money in exchange for their support in perverting fair elections!

Remember, one of their stand-out groups is the new black panthers, whose spokesperson wants to KILL WHITE BABIES!!!!!

11-02-10 —– Send a message to the Democratic Party, “We won’t tolerate your Banana Republic Thuggery here!!

Maybe Kirk should hire some baton-yeilding guys with white sheets over their heads to stand in front of voting stations. Such tactics have apparently been ok’d by Holder & Crew. I’m sure that such a story wouldn’t be covered by the MSM.

paulmdoro said:
Seems to me that voter fraud is frequently cried by both sides.

Indeed. You are correct. The manifestations are different. When Democrats are involved, we seem to see some “enhanced franchisement” whilst when Republicans are involved, we seem to see disenfranchisement of minorities and of the elderly. This isn’t Earth-shattering. We’ve had voter fraud in America since our earliest days. That’s one of the reasons some of us in live in states with liquor laws who prohibit package sale until the polls close.

Here in Texas, the most common voter fraud is Republican precinct judges disallowing Hispanic voters. It makes sense. We are far more Hispanic than African-American, and the Republicans know their “enemies”.

Historically, of course, we had the enhanced franchisement problem within the Democratic Primaries, since that was the real voting. That seems to have diminished, for obvious reasons.

Andy Lamb said:
The Franken thing was really, really shady – it is extremely rare for a candidate to be ahead after the votes are counted, as Coleman was, and then lose on the recount. The way the recount was handled, the legal process, which votes were allowed and which ones weren’t, Coleman losing every legal challenge, etc. Anyone looking at all factors objectively would have to say “wow, this looks really fishy.” That said, the election was really close, and if that many people in MN actually wanted Al Franken as their Senator, well now they have him – falling asleep in Senate hearings, making asinine faces and hand gestures while Republican Senators speak, interrupting people, and all else that comes with him. At least he gives folks an occasional flashback to SNL.

Don’t think say. Most of the ballot shenanigans seem to involve sloppiness by Republican election judges, not fraud by either party.

The Real Royal King said:
Indeed. You are correct. The manifestations are different. When Democrats are involved, we seem to see some “enhanced franchisement” whilst when Republicans are involved, we seem to see disenfranchisement of minorities and of the elderly. This isn’t Earth-shattering. We’ve had voter fraud in America since our earliest days. That’s one of the reasons some of us in live in states with liquor laws who prohibit package sale until the polls close.

Here in Texas, the most common voter fraud is Republican precinct judges disallowing Hispanic voters. It makes sense. We are far more Hispanic than African-American, and the Republicans know their “enemies”.

Historically, of course, we had the enhanced franchisement problem within the Democratic Primaries, since that was the real voting. That seems to have diminished, for obvious reasons.

Right. And any hint of voter fraud causes conservatives to have a conniption fit. Conversely, claims of voter disenfranchisement are laughed off and not taken seriously.

Azarkhan said:
It is obvious that Democratic party machines steal elections–from Tammany Hall in NYC to the Chicago machine helping JFK to Al Franken’s recent theft of a senatorial election. It is also clear that Eric Holder’s corrupt Justice Dept has no intention of ensuring electoral integrity (see Philadelphia New Black Panther case).

My advice to Mark Kirk is to have monitors at every polling station, although even then, the Democrats will probably still find a way to steal the election.

definitely bears repeating…most all voter fraud is by democrats; how about the 23,000 fake registrations in Houston recently uncovered????? hmmmmmmm???

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/23/voter-fraud-houston-tea-party-truethevote-texas/

“Among the findings were that only 1,793 of the 25,000 registrations the group submitted appeared to be valid”

Democrats will try even harder to steal these elections they got caught red-handed trying to steal the 2000 Presidential in Floriduh..

flagringo said:
Democrats will try even harder to steal these elections they got caught red-handed trying to steal the 2000 Presidential in Floriduh..

Well, you don’t suffer from a lack of chutzpah, I’ll give you that.

The Real Royal King said:
Well, you don’t suffer from a lack of chutzpah, I’ll give you that.

Or revisionist history.

I was a poll watcher in Pinellas County during the 2000 Presidential, the dem’s “made up” 400+ votes that did not exist in the absentee ballots when they were recounted….since that time things have tightened to prevent fake counting of fraudulent absentees (many Democrats go to nursing homes in Florida with absentee ballots just to get their signature on blank ballots then fill them out after they leave the nursing home…happens thousands of times in Florida during the 2000 election)

Let’s remember the Democrat lawyers trying to throw out ALL MILITARY ABSENTEE BALLOTS in Florida, which voted overwhelmingly REpublican…….

Please find me the Republican lawyers that tried to throw out thousands of legitimate absentee ballots of democrats…pleeeze, find me an instance…

nada..you won’t find any bub…

The Real Royal King said:
For Republicans, of course, it always seems that the fear and paranoia are inspired by the threat of African-Americans voting.

Teaching Moment Everyone:

What have I been posting?

Always note which political ideology is the First to introduce RACE into a discussion! – This is a standard pretense used for Playing the Race Card…set up a strawman, then spew the “RACIST!” canard.

11-02-10 —– Send A Message!!

flagringo said:
Let’s remember the Democrat lawyers trying to throw out ALL MILITARY ABSENTEE BALLOTS in Florida, which voted overwhelmingly REpublican…….

Incorrect on both counts.

flagringo said:
Please find me the Republican lawyers that tried to throw out thousands of legitimate absentee ballots of democrats…pleeeze, find me an instance…

The point is that the Republicans prevented large numbers of African-Americans and the Elderly, although duly and properly registered from voting by unlawful purges conducted at the behest of the wretched Ms. Harris, and by intimidation at the polls. I guess in your mind, that is fine.

NORBIT said:
Teaching Moment Everyone: What have I been posting? Always note which political ideology is the First to introduce RACE into a discussion! – This is a standard pretense used for Playing the Race Card…set up a strawman, then spew the “RACIST!” canard. 11-02-10 —– Send A Message!!

Sometimes it must be interjected, Niblet, because latent racism in the Republican party so often percolates.

Wow, this is so shocking because there has never been voter fraud in the Chicagoland area, right? The next thing you know, TPM is going to do a hard-hitting expose on the anti-gang units of the Chicago PD – scandalous, how dare they look for gang-bangers in Chicago. That’s racist.

The Real Royal King said:
Niblet

: )

The Real Royal King said:
Incorrect on both counts.

typical HuffPo disinformation….offers no factual rebuttal but just dreams up “incorrect”….

GOOGLE IT RoyalKing-LIbtard

“democrats suppress military vote” 87,600 hits !

flagringo said:
typical HuffPo disinformation….offers no factual rebuttal but just dreams up “incorrect”…. GOOGLE IT RoyalKing-LIbtard “democrats suppress military vote” 87,600 hits !

Not even as many hits as the boy locked in the refrigerator who ate his foot with tartar sauce and CapriSun to stay alive.

King, since people don’t write their race down on their ballots, could you explain how they knew which ones to ‘purge’?

flagringo said:
typical HuffPo disinformation….offers no factual rebuttal but just dreams up “incorrect”….

GOOGLE IT RoyalKing-LIbtard

“democrats suppress military vote” 87,600 hits !

I looked

After many right wing websites with headlines like

Obama and his US Marxist Party

The Democrat-run establishment
..
Democrats are the most eager to suppress the military vote? .

Democrats are attempting to suppress the military vote
But USNEWS explains

Voting Obstacles Suppress Military Vote
voting obstacles

and

Last week, the Senate approved a bipartisan overhaul of the absentee voting process used by members of the armed forces
bipartisan

because redcounty or conservativecrusader says so does not make it true.

Azarkhan said:
So you are in a stupor? Well, at least that explains your rambling, incoherent comments.

Oooh! What a great retort! Not only did you not refute any of the comments, but you also threw out an insult. That is so typical of you and your bullying kind. You rant and rave, seeing only what you purport to be black and white, never gray. Your factoids are nonsensical at best. And you always, always resort to namecalling, rather than engaging the other side in honest debate.

writer said:
King, since people don’t write their race down on their ballots, could you explain how they knew which ones to ‘purge’?

They were purged from the rolls, Kumquat. It wasn’t that their ballots were thrown out. They were denied ballots. Geez. That’s a tough one.

alamo2 said:
Oooh! What a great retort! Not only did you not refute any of the comments, but you also threw out an insult. That is so typical of you and your bullying kind. You rant and rave, seeing only what you purport to be black and white, never gray. Your factoids are nonsensical at best. And you always, always resort to namecalling, rather than engaging the other side in honest debate.

Odd, I’ve never considered you to be in a stupor.

Many of these districts have more voters than residents — of course there’s voter fraud.

alamo2 said:
Your factoids are nonsensical at best. And you always, always resort to namecalling, rather than engaging the other side in honest debate.

Allow me to say that I am happy I upset you so much.(See, not one bit of namecalling!)

Yeah, King. ‘Purging convicted felons and dead people from the rolls is a bad thing.

Great Report from Brennan SofJ…

http://brennan.3cdn.net/e20e4210db075b482b_wcm6ib0hl.pdf#page=5

“Perhaps because these stories are dramatic, voter fraud makes a popular scapegoat. In the aftermath of a close election, losing candidates are often quick to blame voter fraud for the results. Legislators cite voter fraud as justification for various new restrictions on the exercise of the franchise. And pundits trot out the same few anecdotes time and again as proof that a wave of fraud is imminent.

Allegations of widespread voter fraud, however, often prove greatly exaggerated. It is easy to grab headlines with a lurid claim (“Tens of thousands may be voting illegally!”); the follow-up — when any exists — is not usually deemed newsworthy. Yet on closer examination, many of the claims of voter fraud amount to a great deal of smoke without much fire. The allegations simply do not pan out.

These inflated claims are not harmless. Crying “wolf” when the allegations are unsubstantiated distracts attention from real problems that need real solutions. If we can move beyond the fixation on voter fraud, we will be able to focus on the real changes our elections need, from universal registration all the way down to sufficient parking at the poll site. Moreover, these claims of voter fraud are frequently used to justify policies that do not solve the alleged wrongs, but that could well disenfranchise legitimate voters. Overly restrictive identification requirements for voters at the polls — which address a sort of voter fraud more rare than death by lightning — is only the most prominent example.”

writer said:
King, since people don’t write their race down on their ballots, could you explain how they knew which ones to ‘purge’?

they could go by district , neighborhood right?

writer said:
Yeah, King. ‘Purging convicted felons and dead people from the rolls is a bad thing.

It is when you’re purging the wrong people intentionally.

It’s possible, Cosmos. But some proof would be nice, rather than just tossing it out there whenever the outcome isn’t the one you wanted.

Just seems odd that if there’s this conspiracy out there to toss out black (Democratic) votes, Obama was able to win by such a large margin.

The Real Royal King said:
Sometimes it must be interjected, Niblet, because latent racism in the Republican party so often percolates.

Oh, the old “latent” racism! LOL!

I think they call it by its proper name these days, King: CONTRIVED!

The King is totally unaware that hatred of the white race also counts as racism.

writer said:
Just seems odd that if there’s this conspiracy out there to toss out black (Democratic) votes, Obama was able to win by such a large margin.

The race for the Executive coincided with a full on collapse of the economy, an aged candidate in McCain that appeared uncertain, and a Republican vice presidential choice that was transparently desperate. To argue that a large margin of victory could not co-exist with efforts to suppress key voting blocks undervalues Republican missteps leading up to the vote.

Then it couldn’t be much of a conspiracy. Still, some proof would be nice.

writer said:
Then it couldn’t be much of a conspiracy. Still, some proof would be nice.

Writer,

Just a quick example from Texas… quote and source below.

“Among Republicans it is an ‘article of religious faith that voter fraud is causing us to lose elections,’ [Royal] Masset[, former political director of the Republican Party of Texas,] said. He doesn’t agree with that, but does believe that requiring photo IDs could cause enough of a dropoff in legitimate Democratic voting to add 3 percent to the Republican vote.”

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/mack/4814978.html

Is there some reason someone couldn’t get an ID? Especially in Texas, where many people are there illegally, asking for ID doesn’t seem like such a bad idea.

I believe that any eligible voter is certainly able to get an ID, the problem is that some demographic groups (elderly, ethnic minorities, poor) are less likely to have ID. Though they are eligible to vote, ID laws provide an extra step that serves as a disincentive and has the de facto effect of suppressing the participation of Democratic constituents… a fact that sways electoral outcomes far greater than the extremely rare instances of actual election fraud.

So why is there the assumption that the only people unable to get ID would be Democrats?

writer said:
It’s possible, Cosmos. But some proof would be nice, rather than just tossing it out there whenever the outcome isn’t the one you wanted.

I agree. I only said that because I remember reading the articles in elections past. I believe both parties engage in less than honest election activities and we need to keep an eye on things. Partisan accusations that one side is guilty and the other innocent are a waste of time IMO.

writer said:
Just seems odd that if there’s this conspiracy out there to toss out black (Democratic) votes, Obama was able to win by such a large margin.

I was referring to elections prior to 2008. African Americans vote overwhelmingly democrat.

Agree.

But we did have eight years of Clinton. Those in the conspiracy must be missing a beat every now and then.

writer said:
It’s possible, Cosmos. But some proof would be nice, rather than just tossing it out there whenever the outcome isn’t the one you wanted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/us/florida-list-for-purge-of-voters-proves-flawed.html

just one example.

The problem is state laws and how those laws are enforced is very inconsistent. Actual false ballots being cast seems to be a rarity, while” losing” ballots or playing games to discourage voters , is far more common. Like I said, I think there are people in both parties who think winning is more important than protecting the right to vote and will play games.

paulmdoro said:
MN also elected Jesse Ventura governor. I guess they’re a little kooky.

And one of the districts also elected Michelle Bachmann.

NORBIT said:
Don’t forget the Stimulus checks going out to dead people & felons – THAT’S THE DEMOCRATIC BASE!!!
LOL!

These “community organizers” have no regard for our voting laws, as was shown in countless fraud investigations and indictments of the Anti-American group ACORN!

They are a bunch of corruption-peddling freeloaders scoffing up the working people’s tax money in exchange for their support in perverting fair elections!

Remember, one of their stand-out groups is the new black panthers, whose spokesperson wants to KILL WHITE BABIES!!!!!

11-02-10 —– Send a message to the Democratic Party, “We won’t tolerate your Banana Republic Thuggery here!!

ACORN and New Black Panthers is so “Spring 2010″. It’s not in fashion anymore. What anti Black screeds do you have for Fall 2010? Come on, conservatives! You guys are historically famous for all kinds of anti-Black slurs and movements! Poll Taxes, grandfather clauses, literacy tests–GENIUS!

Norbit, where’s your originality? There are far more CREATIVE White Conservative advocates for bashing Black folks than you on the web.

Don’t let me down in here, ok?

–Cobra

He has learned about ACORN.