Nazis, Fascists, Apartheid: A Short History Of AZ Immigration Law Rhetoric

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by Glynnis MacNicol | 3:44 pm, April 28th, 2010

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Arizona’s new immigration law is like South Africa during the Apartheid.

Google search results for “arizona immigration apartheid”: 131,000

Money quote [strangely, considering the smaller Google search results, there are a lot]: “What would Arizona’s revered libertarian icon, Barry Goldwater, say about a law that requires the police to demand proof of legal residency from any person with whom they have made “any lawful contact” and about whom they have “reasonable suspicion” that “the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States?” Wasn’t the system of internal passports one of the most distasteful features of life in the Soviet Union and apartheid-era South Africa?” [Linda Greenhouse/NYT]

Video highlight: Cynthia Tucker on This Week this past Sunday is the first person I heard employ this comparison.

NEXT >>> Arizona’s new immigration law makes it a fascist state.

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Arizona immigration law, Cynthia Tucker, Glenn Beck, nazis, Seth Meyers, The State of Politics, This Week

MichelleF

Glynnis,
Do I have to point out to you again that the AZ law simply states it will enforce EXISTING FEDERAL LAW.

I find this whole thing ridiculous. The law states they can’t pull you over simply to check your status, only if you’ve been pulled over for another reason. I’ve been pulled over before (not in 15 years mind you), and what was i required to show………. oh yea a drivers license and proof of insurance. Get over the phony outrage. You just want to legalized an entire voting block to vote dem and we all know it.
The Real Royal King

Don’t forget, Michelle, some of those Fascist outfits were very stylish. Nice boots. Much nicer boots that police usually wear. And, some very colorful stripes down the pants legs.
Big_F-ing_Deal

“oh yea a drivers license and proof of insurance. Get over the phony outrage. ”

What if you are not driving? People aren’t always in a car.

Must all Hispanic looking people in Arizona always carry papers with them when they are gathered on the street for fear they might be stopped for loitering and arrested for not having papers?

Do you carry papers on you when you jog or go to the beach?
lonestar77

Glynnis,
Once again, you’re off the mark. As opposed to “elements of the tea-party” using this language, prior to the AZ story, this language was mostly used AGAINST the tea party by your left-wing friends in the corrupt left-wing media.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Stewart-Smithwick/187101524 Stewart Smithwick

Why don’t all the illegals get our before they start checking all the ID’s. Problem solved. Then get real Americans desperate for jobs into those positions.
nyc165

MichelleF — you can’t really be that naive can you? “Gee, I think that car (kinda, sorta, maybe/maybe not could) matches the description of that car that (kinda, sorta, maybe/maybe not, could) was used in that holdup (that may have or may have not happened).

Clearer now? This law is a very slippery slope.

Maybe you’ve never seen a movie about WWII — there’s always a Nazi checking for Jews who says “show me your papers.” This kind of law should frighten any citizen (whether they are here legally or not) in this country.
nyc165

Lonestar – Looks like Glynnis stuck a little Tea Party nerve in your little Tea Party head. And if you check any media outlet, you’ll see that the Teabaggers have been describing our President (yes, OUR PRESIDENT) as a Communist, Socialist, and Nazi. Truth hurts, doesn’t hur.
The Real Royal King

In Michelle’s defense, NYC165, the Arizona law targets Mexicans and Mexican-looking people, not Jews.
MichelleF

I’m curious, do you libs think you should have to show proof of legal citizenship to vote?
MichelleF

NYC165, what reasonable answer can you give as to why Obama has been surrounding himself with SELF professed Communists his whole life? In his own words, he’s “sought them out”? Please, just one “reasonable” explanation.
MichelleF

The Real Royal King says:
April 28, 2010 at 4:20 pm
In Michelle’s defense, NYC165, the Arizona law targets Mexicans and Mexican-looking people, not Jews.

King, it’s you that ALWAYS brings race into every subject, not me.
Grammie

nyc165 says:
April 28, 2010 at 4:09 pm

Every law can be a slippery slope, duh.

We all depend on the entire system to keep abuse of discretionary powers by our elected officials and law enforcement under control.

If the law is implemented as written, which is completely compatible with federal law, there should be no huge uptick in problems. If there is that should be addressed immediately. Let the system, inevitably all the way thru SOTUS, work before the entire MSM and left wingers start throwing around the Nazi stuff.

I wonder how survivors who lived thru the Holocaust in Europe feel about such comparisons. Those who make them trivialize what actually happened there.
HanzoSword

Driver’s licence and registration is not going to cut it. The AZ law states that proof of citizenship is required, i.e,. birth certificate and photo id, or a passport. The law is unconstitutional and will fall apart in courts.
The Real Royal King

I suspect, Janet, they might be more sensitive to issue of discrimination. After all, the Holocaust began with what was considered rather benign, but not targeted laws. That quickly became more of an avalanche than a slippery slope.
BowenIsland

@HanzoSword

Uhhhh not really,

According to the bill, the following items are acceptable forms of identification:

1.Any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.
2.A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
3.A valid passport.
4.A valid Arizona driver license.
5.A valid Arizona non-operating identification license.
For more information about this issue, or to provide feedback, please visit http://azgovernor.gov/. For detailed information on the bill, visit the Arizona Legislature’s SB1070 page.
Grammie

The Real Royal King says:
April 28, 2010 at 4:29 pm

If I remember correctly it began with stringent gun control laws.
The Real Royal King

Actually, Janet, the first laws capped the number of Jewish students allowed in German universities. The gun law is an NRA-inspired myth, but all the laws followed in surprisingly rapid succession.
germ

BowenIsland says:
April 28, 2010 at 4:31 pm

Don’t worry about HanzoSword… He/She/It is over at KOS right now looking for the latest talking points.
Bias-Media

I still don’t understand the arguments against this (and other ILLEGAL Immigration) Law…

If I’m not a member of my local COSTCO, I snuck in illegally, tried to buy something, the store catches me, denies me the right to purchase because I’m not a member, do I have a right to complain? OR, should I just BECOME a member and purchase legally?

If I’m not a member of my local LIFETIME Gym, I snuck in illegally, used the equipments, and the gym staff catches me and asks me to leave. Do I have a right to protest? OR, should I just sign up for membership and use the gym legally?

If I didn’t buy a movie ticket to see a movie, I snuck in through the exit door and tried to watch a movie…the usher catches me and escorts me out the door. do I have a right to sue? or should I just BUY a movie ticket and get in legally?

So, to all the ILLEGAL immigrants, if you want to stay in the US, JUST BECOME LEGAL!!! Until you do, you do not have any rights to complain, you do not have any rights to our constitution protection, and most of all, you do not have any rights to use our resources on the dime of the legal tax payers.

As I said in another post, if all the ILLEGALs would simply apply to become legal, and actually be in America legally, this AZ Law would not have been necessary
Big_F-ing_Deal

“If I’m not a member of my local COSTCO, I snuck in illegally, tried to buy something, the store catches me, denies me the right to purchase because I’m not a member, do I have a right to complain? OR, should I just BECOME a member and purchase legally?”

You’re missing the point.
The issue isn’t about illegal immigrants having to show papers, the issue is about AMERICAN CITIZENS who look Hispanic having to show papers.

Can you imagine if there was a special security force at Costco constantly harrassing Hispanic members for their cards because some Hispanic non-members snuck in?
http://www.sailrabbits.com Magister

@BowenIsland: I’m a citizen and have never seen a driver’s license issued to a non-citizen, but I know that they exist. Nonetheless, none of the driver’s licenses that I’ve held, including one issued by Arizona had a notation that identified me as a citizen, so does anyone know if all the states that issues licenses to illegal immigrants notes their status on the license?
germ

“You’re missing the point.
The issue isn’t about illegal immigrants having to show papers, the issue is about AMERICAN CITIZENS who look Hispanic having to show papers.”

You’re Missing the Point.

The law only applies when one is lawfully stopped. The Police can’t randomly stop someone because of how they look. It only enforces the current federal law.

The Illegal Aliens are not innocent. They are willfully breaking the law. Sometimes I think progressives forgot to learn the “right vs. wrong” lesson when they were kids.

FYI – Breaking the law (aka Illegal activity) is Bad.
Bias-Media

No; I got that point.

My Point is…this LAW (even if all the fears are true…which I doubt…) would not be necessary IF all the illegals became legal to began with…or at least try to become legal by going through the process…

btw…would it make ppl happy if, instead of checking hispanics, they simply check everybody who gets pulled over? i.e..like what they do at airports?
BowenIsland

@Big_F-ing_Deal

“You’re missing the point.
The issue isn’t about illegal immigrants having to show papers, the issue is about AMERICAN CITIZENS who look Hispanic having to show papers. ”

I must have missed that section of the bill.

And please don’t launch into the” its gonna happen” or “what world are from” argument .
MichelleF

The issue isn’t about illegal immigrants having to show papers, the issue is about AMERICAN CITIZENS who look Hispanic having to show papers.

Can you post a link to the portion of the law that says this?
http://www.sailrabbits.com Magister

PS) I’ve tried to avoid commenting directly on the legislation and haven’t been frequenting the political blogs lately, but because it seems the discussion isn’t going to wait for the courts… without reading the actual legislation, I don’t know how it directs the police to deal with pre-license youth.
Olby Sucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDlutO0KK7g

Glynnis, what do think about this video? Will it get the attention the “racist” Tea Party events did? Somehow, I doubt it. Will olbermann or maddow be covering this night after night? I doubt it. Illegals are threatening to kill us!
NORBIT

THE BIG LIE – 1st Page of the Bill specifically eliminates racial profiling as cause to stop anyone.

THE BIG LIE by this LYING President & the LYING Media is for one purpose: to foment angst amongst hispanics so they’ll be energized to vote Democratic! – That is contemptable by the President!!

WHY WON’T OBAMA CLOSE THE BORDER? – He’d rather DIVIDE the country & CREATE racial angst by LYING about what’s in this bill.
Bias-Media

@Magister

regarding the drivers license, I’m not 100% certain, but I believe every police cars today have a computer which allows them to check the validity of the license (eg..see if outstanding warrants exist, driving history, etc). I imagine there’s probably some way for these same computers to check / verify legal status.

Again, just my guess…I would be interested to know how this works as well…if any of the bloggers knows about this issue
Big_F-ing_Deal

“Can you post a link to the portion of the law that says this?”

So you actually think that the police will be correct 100% of the time when they are trying to “determining a reasonable suspicion” of illegal status?

One hundred percent of the time?
Of course not. So those cases will become civil rights violations which will lead to this law being struck down by the courts.

You heard it here first.
BowenIsland

magister . The point is that any of those forms of identification prove to a reasonable degree that you would be “legal”. The law dosen’t say that if the police stop you , that you must prove citizenship .
NORBIT

Fight the LYING Democrats & THEIR Media!

Push for SECESSION of the Red States! – Call your State Officials.
BowenIsland

@Big_F-ing_Deal

What in life is 100 % ?

To err is human …… etcetera, etcetera and so forth. We do the best that we can , we move on , we correct where we have to .
Big_F-ing_Deal

“we correct where we have to .”

And that is exactly what the courts will do.
germ

“One hundred percent of the time?
Of course not. So those cases will become civil rights violations which will lead to this law being struck down by the courts.”

So should I sue for my civil rights because the cops pulled me over for my car matching the description of a car that was racing in a town 30 minutes away?

It is a strawman argument, and a weak one at best.
BowenIsland

Perhaps . In the mean time can’t we all get along .
Big_F-ing_Deal

“So should I sue for my civil rights because the cops pulled me over for my car matching the description of a car that was racing in a town 30 minutes away?

If you cant see the difference between targeting a car and targeting a people we have nothing more to discuss.

“It is a strawman argument, and a weak one at best.”

Repeat that back to me when this law gets struck down.
germ

“If you cant see the difference between targeting a car and targeting a people we have nothing more to discuss.”

Talking to progressives is like talking to a five-year-old, you have to spell everything out to them. Goes back to them having no cognitive thinking skills, because they believe everything that is spoon-fed to them.

Where did targeting a person ever come in? I was talking about the police needing a lawful reason to pull a car over, and the bill gives them the authority to ask (unlike in San Francisco). In a naturally heavy hispanic area like Arizona, the police aren’t going to pull every other car. Some of you guys really need to step foot out of your white suburban neighborhoods.
http://www.sailrabbits.com Magister

@Big_F-ing_Deal: The ACLU used to have cards that you could print off of their website that you could use to inform a police officer that you’re under no obligation to identify yourself, unless you were being arrested and with the tiny asterisk that “rights” are different within a reasonable distance from an international border.

My understanding is that in the post-9/11 era, everybody lost the right of refusal and though I’m sure the courts will likely make some modifications to the Arizona law, I don’t know that it’ll be totally struck down.

After all, it’s within a reasonable distance from an international border.
MichelleF

germ says:
April 28, 2010 at 5:30 pm
“If you cant see the difference between targeting a car and targeting a people we have nothing more to discuss.”

Talking to progressives is like talking to a five-year-old, you have to spell everything out to them. Goes back to them having no cognitive thinking skills, because they believe everything that is spoon-fed to them.

Germ, you didn’t really JUST figure that out, right?
germ

So in other words, no person should be arrested, ever because the police, FBI, etc are not correct 100%.

HAHA I love Progressive logic.
germ

Germ, you didn’t really JUST figure that out, right?

I live in Seattle, what do you think? lol :D
http://www.sailrabbits.com Magister

@germ: I’ve lived as an adult in three of the four states along the southern border, so that does give me a somewhat different perspective and I realize this comment may be seen by some as over the line, but…

In a naturally heavy hispanic area like Arizona, the police aren’t going to pull every other car.

…unless the occupants look really rich or it contains a pretty girl.
Big_F-ing_Deal

“So in other words, no person should be arrested simply because of their race, ever because the police, FBI, etc are not correct 100%.”

Fixed.
germ

So, in other words, the only time police can be wrong is if it is against whitey.

Got it.
Big_F-ing_Deal

“So, in other words, the only time police can be wrong is if it is against whitey.”

Yeah, whites never sued the police for civil rights violations that resulted in laws being changed. lol
RazorsEdge

You should realize that AZ law enforcement ALREADY executes fed immigration law. DPS and sheriffs already pull over vehicles as an example for some violation, determines that someone may be illegal, arrest them and turn them over to US border patrol. They do this every week and have done for years and years.

It’s Federal law you know. If you think a slippery slope, it’s been one that’s been Federal law for decades. Last night, deputies pulled over a u-haul truck for reckless riving and was filled with 69 illegal immigrants. All asked for an ID, determined through Fed immigration they were illegal and turned over to Border Patrol.

AZ bill now will require all state law enforcement (including sanctuary cities) to enforce the exact same verbatim Fed law. Meaning state law enforcement must now enforce the existing stated Fed immigration laws.
germ

Hey, I am just using your own logic.
germ

…unless the occupants look really rich or it contains a pretty girl.

Gotta give it to you… that was funny.

I spent 5 years living in TX, went to school in the ARMY in AZ, and still go to AZ quite often because family lives in the Greater Phoenix area.
Olby Sucks

I’ll take that as a “no,” Glynnis.
Olby Sucks

“We will use our pick axes and shovels against you!”

Nice!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Rogiers/1426705964 Brian Rogiers

Try entering another country illegally, then get caught working at a job without a work visa, or fail to produce proper identification when asked, and see how long you stay in that country….

We should not have to apologize for trying to enforce our borders. This country has always welcomed immigrants, as long as they come in through the front door. The federal government has failed in its mandate to protect this country from foreign invaders. Arizona has taken it upon themselves to do a job the Feds refuse to do. Good for them.
Big_F-ing_Deal

“Good for them”

Exactly.

The law will be struck down
Republicans will alienate Hispanic voters even more
Immigration reform will be put on the front burner.

Win/Win/Win
germ

“The law will be struck down”

False. Then the Federal law will also have to be stuck down, since this law is only enforcing the federal law. That is not going to happen.

“Republicans will alienate Hispanic voters even more”

False. There is alread animosity between those who came legally and those that did not. This will do more to swing the legal immigrants towards the Republican part because it makes it a level playing field.

Immigration reform will be put on the front burner.

True, but it badly needs to be. The reason for the illegal immigrants is because of the tedious red tape that one is needed to go through to become legal.
MichelleF

germ says:
April 28, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Germ, you didn’t really JUST figure that out, right?

I live in Seattle, what do you think? lol :D

I grew up in Seattle and ran away screaming about 15 years ago!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Rogiers/1426705964 Brian Rogiers

Yes, it’s all about the Hispanic vote, isn’t it? Never mind what the people of Arizona want:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/arizona/arizona_voters_favor_welcoming_immigration_policy_64_support_new_immigration_law
germ

Brian,

Good point! The progressives are all about the voters, unless it is with something they disagree with.

The hypocricsy of the left never ceases to amaze!
NORBIT

Breaking News:
Illegals Welcome in San Fransisco!
All Comers! – Drug Cartel members especially welcome; Full taxpayer-funded benefits!

Arizona should offer FREE One-Way Travel to San Fransisco to EVERY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT!!
NORBIT

Official US Immigration Statement:

“Carry proof of your permanent resident status at all times.”

- Exposing the LIES of the PRO-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DEMOCRATS!
tws258

Hello I’m Gavin Newsom and I’m running ……..well I’m running for anything .
germ

NORBIT says:
April 28, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Breaking News:
Illegals Welcome in San Fransisco!
All Comers! – Drug Cartel members especially welcome; Full taxpayer-funded benefits!

Arizona should offer FREE One-Way Travel to San Fransisco to EVERY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT!!

Haha! That reminds me of the Sliders episode where San Francisco is a prison colony because it is about to fall off into the ocean.
MichelleF

Brian Rogiers says:
April 28, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Yes, it’s all about the Hispanic vote, isn’t it? Never mind what the people of Arizona want:

That’s correct Brian, it isn’t one wit about what the people of AZ want. It’s all about getting a voting block of around 12 million, tell them you will take care of them and get their vote. Oh don’t forget about the people in the prisons that they want to give voting right to. Oh and just in today, let’s make Puerto Rico the 51st state and give them senators, house reps, and bring in another 4 million voters. That’s how the Dem’s roll! If you can’t beat them in the arena of ideas, just find a way around.
Olby Sucks

BFDummie is betting his last un-employment dollar that Obomber will use his fascist club like he did w/the healthcare “reform” bill.
Big_F-ing_Deal

“That’s how the Dem’s roll! If you can’t beat them in the arena of ideas, just find a way around.”

We just had 8 years of your “arena of ideas”.

Things didn’t go too well and the AMERICAN PEOPLE kicked your “arena of ideas” to the curb

Remember? That’s why you’re so bitter. lol
Livin in AZ

For your information it is illegal for a police officer who has pulled over a group of people to not check everyones identification in the car if he suspects that someone is illegal. So if a car full of all different races is pulled over, he has to check either only the driver, or all of them. Thus protecting against racial profiling. In 2008 my freind who was a police officer in PHX got killed by an illegal who was driving drunk. He left behind a wife and a 4 month old baby. The kicker? That illegal alien had been deported 4 times for DUI’s..
Livin in AZ

BTW is the tax on tanning salons racist against white people? black and brown people dont use them?

http://volokh.com/2009/12/19/the-tanning-salon-excise-tax/
Olby Sucks

The fun loving progressives couldn’t care less about your friend or his family. I, on the other hand do care and I am terribly sorry to hear about your loss.
Big_F-ing_Deal

Hahaha…do you realize how terribly asinine you sound giving someone your sincere sympathies while spewing you sweeping generalizations?

You define douchebag. lmfao
MichelleF

BFD,
I’m curious about you, do you:

Support having to show proof of citizenship before voting?

Think those in prison should be allowed to vote?

Think that the gov’t should make Puerto Rico the 51st state (including senators, house reps, ect), EVEN THOUGH the people of PR have 3 times voted against that?
Ted

The only people who somehow manage to see this law as a good idea (which makes them idiots) are tea-baggers and fascists (is there a difference?). Personally, I’d like to see those with an IQ lower than a door knob deported – which means you tea-baggers would have to pack your bags….no pun intended. Also people who look like Glenn Beck should be rounded up, pronto!!
http://www.sailrabbits.com Magister

@Livin in AZ: Condolences for your loss.

Though, four DUIs should result in a permanent revocation of driving privileges and a fifth would certainly be aggravated, if not a felony and would be jailable. So again, condolences, but I’m not sure how a status check would’ve prevented a criminal from committing another crime.

See this is where the whole discussion gets muddy because in a lot of these threads and I’m sure in the minds of a lot of Arizonians, the overall theme of crime gets mixed into what should be a discussion of the civil rights afforded to those who are in this country legally.
http://www.sailrabbits.com Magister

PS) I know black and brown people who not only tan, but who also use salons.
MichelleF

Ted says:
April 28, 2010 at 7:54 pm
The only people who somehow manage to see this law as a good idea (which makes them idiots) are tea-baggers and fascists (is there a difference?). Personally, I’d like to see those with an IQ lower than a door knob deported – which means you tea-baggers would have to pack your bags….no pun intended. Also people who look like Glenn Beck should be rounded up, pronto!!

Ted, I BEG you to stick around. I just heard about t a poll that proves you couldn’t be MORE wrong. Stay tuned for the link!!
Livin in AZ

The real answer is that police cannot ask for identification until an illegal act has occured OTHER than being here illegally. The intersection of Gilbert Rd and Broadway Rd in Mesa, AZ has hundreds of latinos standing there every morning looking for work. Some legal and some illegal. But the police do not ask any of them for identification unless they are breaking the law. This law is no different.

and yes, blind generalizations do make people sound extremely unintelligent. and douchebag-ish
http://www.sailrabbits.com Magister

@Livin in AZ: Just from a quick bit of research earlier, I was led to believe that this law also outlaws the daylabor spots, such as that you mentioned. I’ve seen other communities try to address this through legislation and I know they’ve worked their way into the court system, but I’d have to think some more to construct a proper enough search to see whether those types of regulations have been upheld.
Livin in AZ

Magistar says:

Though, four DUIs should result in a permanent revocation of driving privileges and a fifth would certainly be aggravated, if not a felony and would be jailable. So again, condolences, but I’m not sure how a status check would’ve prevented a criminal from committing another crime.

True i should have clarified that i was trying to make the point that:
A) The government failed to protect a citizen of the US from someone who they knew was dangerous.
B) The government needs someway to protect the citizens from these types of people
Livin in AZ

@Magister
Daylabor spots already are illegal as is evidence by many signs on that intersection warning people that it is illegal to pick up illegals and transport them. this is, however, not enforced by the mesa police force.
http://www.sailrabbits.com Magister

@Livin in AZ: Yeah, I remembered that I had mentioned a Dallas day labor crackdown in an old blogpost, but the link didn’t lead to a court challenge and when I took some keywords over to Google, I found indirect references to the abstract idea of them being struck down in court, but it’d take more effort than I’d like to apply to find the particulars of the cases. Nonetheless, no matter how I construct the search, it looks like Arizona and Dallas haven’t been the only ones to try.
Ted

MichelleF – Will you join me in demanding that people that look AND sound like Glenn Beck be deported as a matter of national security? Please, will you?!

Good Lord, I can’t wait for that “t” poll; I’m getting all tingly just thinking about it!!
Livin in AZ

lol i love how a lot of liberals hate Glenn Beck. All he does is criticize people with sarcasm. No different than what Obama has been doing lately reagarding tea party and republican reactions to the healthcare bill.
writer

The tea party hasn’t announced a position on this one way or the other. But conservatives like less government intrusion, not more. The idea of stopping people and asking for papers is government intrusion. We need immigration reform, but the government’s role should have been in guarding the border to begin with. They didn’t, and now for better or worse the border states are left to their own devices.
Olby Sucks

“ted” says:

Must be why a large portion of democrats residing in Az back the bill, ay dummie?
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Ted says:
April 28, 2010 at 8:38 pm
MichelleF – Will you join me in demanding that people that look AND sound like Glenn Beck be deported as a matter of national security? Please, will you?!

Good Lord, I can’t wait for that “t” poll; I’m getting all tingly just thinking about it!!

Sorry the delay Ted, I’m trying to multi-task and running out of arms.

And I will NOT demand Glenn Beck be deported, my day would be boring without him. Although I can seem why you would see his exposing the truth to be scary.
jackypond

We need immigration reform, but the role of government should have been the protection of the border to begin.I
Like this one very much.
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Sunnyr

The IGNORANCE of the idiots who are equating the Nazi Party in Germany to Arizona enforcing the laws of our land is absolutely stunning. No one can be that stupid! Better get over it because it is only going to spread to other States that have huge problems with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. We are a nation of LAWS, for your information. And we will enforce them whether this weak-sister President wants to or not. He is SO finished in 2012!!!
Latin2

What people don’t understand is that for Illegal Aliens to operate in the U.S. they have to steal U.S. citizen’s social security numbers and ids.

Many Latino-Americans have faced financial ruin and some have been jailed because Illegal Aliens have stolen their social security numbers and use them to work. Then the IRS punishes those who have been victimized by the Illegal Aliens because they don’t pay the IRS. Many times Illegal Aliens will buy trucks, cars and other things using the social security numbers of those who were victimized and then ruin their credit. There are even cases of Illegal Aliens committing crimes like hit-and-run or other crimes and then the police take the victimized person in for the crime.

Illegal immigration is NOT a victimless crime.
Latin2

Illegal Aliens were even stealing 2 year old’s social security number to work;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agZamwVZkVo&feature=related
Latin2

Illegal Aliens, to work in the U.S., have to steal American’s social security numbers. Even soldiers fighting overseas;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHxkTrZR_T4&feature=related

That is how Illegals WORK in the U.S. They have to steal someone’s social security number and always ruin the credit of the person who’s id is stolen.
http://www.sailrabbits.com Magister

@Latin2: Identity theft has been a problem across the country for a variety of reasons. That’s why there has been all kinds of laws passed, the financial services industry has developed a boatload of (ripoff) products and we’ve been encouraged to look at our full credit reports every year.
MichelleF

Latin2 says:
April 29, 2010 at 5:31 am
Illegal Aliens were even stealing 2 year old’s social security number to work;

I got my purse stolen while in S Cal a few weeks back and unfortunately I had put my and my sons SS cards in it recently. Not saying was an illegal, i’d say the chances are good that it was at least sold to one.
Nachi

Murcuhs shore cum a long way, huh??
Latin2

“Identity theft has been a problem across the country for a variety of reasons.”

So why compound the problem with Illegal Aliens stealing EVEN MORE American social security numbers?
http://www.facebook.com/people/Juan-Reynoso/685023891 Juan Reynoso

To make comment on the law you must get inform. Here is the complete law please take the time to get inform.
We must enforce our immigration laws.

http://migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?id=767