Two, Breitbart has “influence moving forward” that can be “diminished” by pointing out the freakin’ obvious? News to me. Outside his own little Amen chorus, Andy’s credibility is shot all to hell. When he’s out wiping windshields with the rest of the hobos, he’s not going to have Chuck Todd to blame for it.

valkyrie101 said:
I think mostly it is the white people who are tea partying out on this issue. Now you know how the Indians felt. The white man ships just kept coming and there were lot’s of arguments among the Indians over what to do as their ancestral lands were confiscated. But that manifest destiny is a bitch.

“I think mostly it is the white people who are tea partying out on this issue”

It’s abundantly clear who the racists are…. they are the ones who see everything through race-colored glasses.

btw…. of course it is ‘mostly white people’ confronting this issue and every other issue. This country is what, 65%-70% white? Big surprise.

I’d say it’s mostly ‘legal’ folk who have a problem with the ‘illegal’ folk… regardless of color. Take off those glasses val.

btw… it’s not so much the ‘mexicans’ who I worry about…. althought the drug trade seems to be more and more a danger factor in the whole mess.

Still, I worry more about this….

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/other/terrorists-crossing-az-border-into-u.s.%3F

snippet:

On a single day in April, in a special cell block deep inside the Pinal County Jail, nearly 400 inmates sat awaiting trial or extradition after being detained trying to cross the Arizona border from Mexico.

Only about half of them were actually from Mexico.

The cell block, owned by Pinal County, but contracted with the Department of Homeland Security, is a way station in the immigration process, where inmates are held after they are detained by the Border Patrol or Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

But it’s where the inmates are from that causes concern for some critics and lawmakers.

On that one day in April, according to records obtained by ABC 15, Homeland Security officials were holding inmates from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Lebanon, and the Sudan.

“They’re coming from all over,” Arizona Senator Jon Kyl said. “And one wonders whether some of them are coming in here to commit acts of terror.”

You know what you can do with your ‘attacking mexicans’ talking point, right val? I know I know…. let’s not speculate about terrorists…I mean ‘freedom fighters’.

ro blackman said:
Tell me exactly what the obama administration has done in respect to illegal immigration. The only thing I see him doing is sueing a state for trying to enforce a federal law that he does not have the cojones to enforce. All your obama boy is doing is playing politics. He wants the hispanic vote so he will do what every other blue blooded ambulance chasing liberal lawyer does(sue first and ask questions later)

The Arizona law was unconstitutional, and was not a federal law in any event. The whole border problem needs to be addressed by the entire Congress, together with the immigration problem in general. If Congress wants to beef up border security, let it act comprehensively.

valkyrie101 said:
That might be more credible if the people screaming about Mexicans were doing that when far more were illegally entering during the past twenty years, with far less being deported. The Obama administration is doing more than eight years of Republican leadership did. And ironically, Obama would love to have a national discussion on the issue and do a necessary reformation of our border and immigration policies, but the Republicans, as they do with virtually everything, say no..

Tell me exactly what the obama administration has done in respect to illegal immigration. The only thing I see him doing is sueing a state for trying to enforce a federal law that he does not have the cojones to enforce. All your obama boy is doing is playing politics. He wants the hispanic vote so he will do what every other blue blooded ambulance chasing liberal lawyer does(sue first and ask questions later)

MartiniShark said:
Or you could view it as societal evolution for the betterment of mankind.

Sounds like humanism.

MartiniShark said:
Where I live Mexicans are not nearly as prevalent as Cuban-Americans, and I have plenty of naturalized friends who are among the most ardent supporters of immigration reform. My editor is of Mexican decent and he makes me sound like a member of La Raza. In other words, it is not the white republicans who call for it the loudest, it is the people who have become citizens recently. Your words alone tell the entire story — call for enforcement of our laws against illegal activity becomes “attacking Mexicans”. How is enforcing the law an attack? Seems you would have less animosity towards those who are breaking the law.

I think mostly it is the white people who are tea partying out on this issue. Now you know how the Indians felt. The white man ships just kept coming and there were lot’s of arguments among the Indians over what to do as their ancestral lands were confiscated. But that manifest destiny is a bitch.

FearMonger said:
“And the white people conservative fixation on attacking Mexicans, recently, is also perceived to be racist,” Wow. A desire for existing immigration law to be enforced = ‘attacking mexicans’. And we wonder why we can’t find comon ground….

That might be more credible if the people screaming about Mexicans were doing that when far more were illegally entering during the past twenty years, with far less being deported. The Obama administration is doing more than eight years of Republican leadership did. And ironically, Obama would love to have a national discussion on the issue and do a necessary reformation of our border and immigration policies, but the Republicans, as they do with virtually everything, say no..

Wow. A desire for existing immigration law to be enforced = ‘attacking mexicans’.

And we wonder why we can’t find comon ground….

MartiniShark said:
And what about my comparison with your tea-party example? They didn’t do anything violent either, yet you were upset about it. You want to have it two ways; The Panthers stand around glowering with batons = pure innocence. Tea-partiers stand around with signs and a sidearm and you are angry. Except the tea partiers were at their own rally, and the Panthers were in front of the doors of a polling place. Tell me there is no diffrence.

Wrong on that, I love the tea party, its a kind of melting pot of different groups of people, expressing themselves in a legitimate way. Very cool. A very respectable movement, indeed. But there are some distasteful elements which greatly offend black people. And as I have pointed out before, with the tea party having hundreds of thousands of mostly white people, purely motivated, but with a few carrying racist or extremely insulting signs, notwithstanding their right to do that, it is scarey for black people. And the white people conservative fixation on attacking Mexicans, recently, is also perceived to be racist, to a large extent. Knowing that, I would think the tea party movement would welcome a push in the right direction from the NAACP, an organization who championed many of the rights that the tea party now enjoys. But don’t worry, if they come for you, we will still be there to stand up for your rights, with our brothers at the ACLU.

Here is the thing, fear, Your movement needs its own Obama. Someone charismatic who can convey your message. Your best bet is to form your own political party first. The tea party should have as much gripe at the republican party as it does with the democratic party, after all. And somewhere from among your ranks someone will emerge who truly represents the common man which is the spirit of the tea party. :-)

Maureen Dowd and the Left: All Race, All the Time
It seems that only conservatives covet living in a post-racial society.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/maureen-dowd-and-the-left-all-race-all-the-time/

MartiniShark said:
Conservatives did not charge them with a crime, a DA’s office did. But I do enjoy how you love to justify anti-social behavior today because of what happened in the past.

I thought we already established that MS…. the expiration date on JUSTIFYING PRESENT RACISM WITH PAST RACISM is …. never.

So…. FUTURE RACISM is already a given. That’s good to know. Now I can quit longing for that ‘post-racial America’ that I’ve heard so much about.

Now it’s clear that it’s not gonna happen and it’s also clear EXACTLY WHO WON’T LET IT HAPPEN.

valkyrie101 said:
The only “Moonbat” in this story is Breitbart, long time supporter of Reverend Moon, the guy who wants to take over the world.

Right.

Nothing to say about the rest of that post where I dispel your lie about the NBPP voter intimidation in Philly.

Nothing to say about your equating the broad Tea Party with the fringe NBPP.

btw… Tea Party supporters are statistically representative of the overall poulation…

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/Tea-Partiers-Fairly-Mainstream-Demographics.aspx

In other words, they are no more ‘white’ than the public at large. I’d say they cut across all barriers and stereotypes except one….

Liberal policies. They insist on fiscal responsibility and desire smaller government….

Ohhhh…. the hatemongering!! American Flags and lawn chairs….scary stuff that.

Hey val… do you have any proof at all that the Tea Party is racist? I mean ‘real’ proof…. like the kind that would prove the voter intimidation that you continue to deny. Not just hearsay and photographs of the signs of Tea Party crashers.

Any violence commited? Any arrests? Even a misdemeanor arrest? Distubing the peace? Jaywalking?

Just wondering if you are making completely baseless accusations or if you have evidence or if you are just repeating the same BIG LIE that the JournoList has dictated. You certainly partake in their methods… cherry pick what you want to respond to and ignore any ‘inconvenient truth’ that interferes with your agenda.

You could always blame kool-aid intoxication i guess.

valkyrie101 said:
But I do laugh at what counts for voter intimidation to the conservatives, now, after 150 years of actual physical abuse directed at black people trying to vote.

Conservatives did not charge them with a crime, a DA’s office did. But I do enjoy how you love to justify anti-social behavior today because of what happened in the past.

MartiniShark said:
Val, you must enjoy being disingenuous. “Scared Off” was their intent of standing in front of the polling place. Place two people in white robes and batons in front of a black polling location and tell me you’d be just fine with that appearance. They were charged with voter intimidation. And once again, you are suggesting that improper bahavior is somehow justified by previous oppression, like you had with the NAACP.

Because nothing happened, in reality, they were not prosecuted, except the restraining order they got against one of them. I said nothing about their behavior being justified. But I do laugh at what counts for voter intimidation to the conservatives, now, after 150 years of actual physical abuse directed at black people trying to vote.

FearMonger said:
The fact is that the moonbats have now verified that racism is a one-way street. It’s clear in this lengthy thread. Just like the hypocrisy that causes so many to be blind to the double-standard of Chuck Todd calling Breitbart a ‘Liberal Propagandist”.

The only “Moonbat” in this story is Breitbart, long time supporter of Reverend Moon, the guy who wants to take over the world.

MartiniShark said:
Val, you must enjoy being disingenuous. “Scared Off” was their intent of standing in front of the polling place. Place two people in white robes and batons in front of a black polling location and tell me you’d be just fine with that appearance. They were charged with voter intimidation. And once again, you are suggesting that improper bahavior is somehow justified by previous oppression, like you had with the NAACP.

I do not think anyone complained that they were scared off, however, in that mostly black area.

MartiniShark said:
Val, you must enjoy being disingenuous. “Scared Off” was their intent of standing in front of the polling place. Place two people in white robes and batons in front of a black polling location and tell me you’d be just fine with that appearance. They were charged with voter intimidation. And once again, you are suggesting that improper bahavior is somehow justified by previous oppression, like you had with the NAACP.

I saw the video. Did you see it? A couple guys standing around. And the white guy taking the video was baiting them. Still, they did nothing whatsoever. And that is the big story. I mean, I could understand the outrage if they had done something violent, but they didn’t. That was a huge FOX story though, anyway. And the irony is that the New Black Panthers were frequently guests on the FOX programs and that is the only way anyone had ever heard of them. It was like FOX was trying to turn them in to something big, like Joe the Plumber, so that they could use them to create racial controversy.

valkyrie101 said:
It is all the effect of taking Reverend Moon’s money. The right sold its soul to the devil.

I was going to respond to each of your posts above but it is clear who the racists/ bigots/ and hatemongers really are. All you have to do is read the posts.

btw… your lie about the voter intimidation is just as transparent as your inability to comprehend that the NAACP’s failure to denounce the NBPP within their own group (‘fringe elements’ right?) makes them hypocrites for calling on the Tea Party to denounce the racists withing their own group (fringe elements, right?).

Unless (as you seem to imply by comparing the ‘few’ NBPP members with the ‘millions’ of Tea Party members) you place the NBPP in the same category with the broader Tea Party.

There was sworn testimony to the voter intimidation. There was video of the one guy who was ex-military who stated under oath the things they said to him. Several other witnesses said they saw people turn around and leave when they saw tweedledee and tweedledum standing by the door. The fact that it can’t be proven whether or not those people ever came back to vote does not change the fact that they were intimidated. Big surprise that the people in that neighborhood refuse to testify against these thugs who continue to terrorize that very same neighborhood.

The fact is that the moonbats have now verified that racism is a one-way street. It’s clear in this lengthy thread. Just like the hypocrisy that causes so many to be blind to the double-standard of Chuck Todd calling Breitbart a ‘Liberal Propagandist”.

The ORGANIZATION of MSNBC is certainly no less of a propaganda machine than the INDIVIDUAL Andrew Breitbart.

Good grief people. Open your eyes.

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
Does that mean we can absolve the Russian people for the Cold War now? The Germans for WWII? The French for retreating? The Sudanese for Blackhawk Down? The North for the War of Northern Aggression? What’s the expiration date? Would a Southerner born in 1850 have reaped any benefit from the slave era that ended when he or she was only 15 or so? Would a white man who had nothing to do with directly oppressing minorities in the 30s or 40s but reaped the benefit of work or advancement at their expense have any responsibility? Have you ever seen a Whites Only drinking fountain other than in photographs? I have. That tends to leave a lasting impression. “I have never discriminated against minorities” is a facile argument. The question is, have you benefited from previous discrimination. The answer is, you ‘ehave.

” The question is, have you benefited from previous discrimination. The answer is, you have”

I take it from this response that the ‘expiration date’ is NEVER. Thanks for the honesty.

I would say I have not ‘benefitted from previous discrimination’ any more than any other random person out here in the real world and, in fact ISHMAEL, it’s quite possible that YOU have benefitted more than I have or more than anyone else who reads these comments. Right?

The answer is, “YES, it’s possible”.

MartiniShark said:
valkyrie101 said:
Without FOX, nobody would even know who the NBPs were.
We have come to expect that kind of coverage from today’s press corps.

The NBP party was nobody until FOX placed them on the main stage, like PT Barnum putting freaks on the stage to attract customers. Then after popularizing them, they say, see, black racism.

MartiniShark said:
Oh, and Val, I had missed this reply earlier, but it just struck me as funny: And what happened in your tea-party example? “Nothing happened, no violence” See how it plays? When tea party people do the same thing — and nothing happens — you are upset by it. The difference is the Black Panthers were outside a polling place, and were not charged with violence but with “Voter Intimidation”. Sure no violence, but who knows how many voters may have been scared off? That was were illegality took place. We have come to expect that kind of coverage from today’s press corps.

Neither the video, nor the witnesses, show that any person was “scared off”. So what you say suggest is not supported by any evidence. However, throughout the years, thousands if not tens of thousands of blacks were legally prevented from voting, either by law or mob.