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NBC/MSNBC Get An Iraq Troop Withdrawal Exclusive – But What Did It Mean, And Who Helped?

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There’s no question NBC News had an impressive, gripping scoop last night: the last U.S. combat troops are leaving Iraq. NBC News’ Richard Engel was embedded, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow was in Baghdad, the all-star line-up anchored – and the other networks played major catch up.

But this fantastic coverage also showed a cooperation at least on some level between NBC and MSNBC and elements in the Obama administration.

There is already a debate going on about what exactly we witnessed tonight on what amounted to mostly NBC and MSNBC. The withdrawal was significant, but symbolic as well. But there are disputes about how many troops or left and what they will be called. There are disputes about whether this day is even the ‘big day’ or if that comes at the end of August. Even MSNBC shifted from calling the images the final “combat troops” and instead started using “combat brigade.” Perhaps more interestingly, the White House is essentially disputing some of how NBC has characterized what’s happening.

But some elements within the military, so by extension the Obama administration, clearly worked with NBC (and MSNBC) to let them have this exclusive. Richard Engel broke the news at 6:30pmET on NBC Nightly News, and the line-up was set from that point on for MSNBC to provide blanket coverage. Networks like Fox News, had reports on Iraq from Dominic Di-Natale throughout the day (and reports during Special Report and FOX Report), and CNN didn’t ignore the story, but all the networks were clearly caught off guard by what MSNBC had coming (there was no mention in the east coast broadcasts of ABC or CBS’ evening news programs). CNN quickly scrapped whatever plans there were for Rick Sanchez‘ 8pmET show and went wall-to-wall, but by the time Larry King was on, that coverage subsided.

And again, there was certainly cooperation on some level. Brian Stelter of the New York Times has some backstory on how NBC got the scoop:

NBC officials said their requests to report live during the withdrawal were first filed many weeks ago. The requests provoked debate within the military, with some people arguing that having reporters present would place excess attention on the fact that the troops were leaving.

Also from the story, David Verdi, an NBC News vice president, said, “The military had said, ‘You are the ones who are going to broadcast it first.’”

That’s a stunning admission, and shows a degree of coziness between both sides here. But not, perhaps, a coziness with the administration as a whole. White House correspondent Chuck Todd said on MSNBC:

We’re not the only ones embedded with this last brigade that had just left Iraq. In fact I think there are four or five other news organizations. We happen to be the only one that has the technology to bring these pictures to the world tonight live, of this brigade leaving. You do get the sense, Keith, that that is what wasn’t fully comprehended [by the White House].

Other news organizations, yes, but none with TV cameras. And the video coming out on NBC and MSNBC were engrossing, thanks to the Bloom Mobile. (Some background: “Affectionately named after the late David Bloom, who died while covering the Iraq war for NBC News. The Bloom Mobile is part tank, part satellite truck, and delivers a live satellite broadcast while reporting from the field.”) Similarly, the reporting and interviews from Maddow in particular have been excellent. But this type of access and advanced warning will add fuel to the fire of those who believe NBC and MSNBC get special treatment from the Obama administration.

But what did the potential special treatment even get? Some tacit denials from the White House, and enormous coverage of what even the anchors on MSNBC agreed was largely a symbolic moment.

At one point during the night, MSNBC contributor Howard Fineman remarked that the network’s coverage had been “sensational.” It was – in more ways than one.

(This has been edited for clarity.)

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  • Cubby

    Ugh. Just goes to show you guys are total pageview whores … sure Beck and Palin are easy bait for the Internet folks, but you’ve also got to throw a bone to your increasing right-wing lunatic base who usually just come here to call you secret agents of the Obama administration! So why not post an article that is pure speculation? They’ll eat that shit UP.

  • Cubby

    You might even get a Drudge link! I’d be so proud of you guys.

  • The Real Royal King

    I’m not so sure that this was much of an exclusive. All of the networks, national and international, seemed to be on top of this except for FOX. But that’s not the first time that happened. When a story breaks in the evening, a really story, not one of patented breathless FOX gossip pieces, FOX usually has no newsman available. The only excpetion I’ve seen to the “no news at night” policy is for elections. That’s hardly breaking news in the sense FOX has had months to prepare. Once shep leaves, the news department is, for all purposes, gone as well. Cable “news” indeed!

    But, FOX breaking news tends to be notoriously inaccurate, anyway. I’m sure we all remember the “WMD’s Found,” story on FOX, with it’s color-enhanced screaming graphics and a delighted Hume so excited that he could scarcely read the text. Of course, within a couple of hours, the story was pulled, without a retraction, without any indication it was ever covered at all.

    FOX is simply not news, and, as such, much of your story is disingenuous, Steve. An exclusive story, indeed. Covered by everyone except FOX “News” and LMN, it would seem.

    Kudos to MSNBC for some brilliant on the ground work highlighted by historical context, to CNN for some great analysis and to the BBC for its usual solid reporting.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • JimBob

    Promised transparency at last.. If you can’t see through this shit
    MSNBC/NBC Exclusive you would have to be legally blind, stupid or both!
    Thank God November is coming! Sickening!!

  • The Real Royal King

    Cubby said:
    You might even get a Drudge link! I’d be so proud of you guys.

    It’s hard to see what purpose this piece has other than to offer FOX “News” preemptive cover from punting on one of the biggest news stories of the decade. As I said above, this is nothing news. In it’s “All Right Wing Talking Points, All Night,” programming, FOX has been caught with its pants down several times when there was breaking news. I hardly think that was the result of some sinister cabal between MSNBC and the White House. And, what if it were? I seem to recall an exclusive FOX interview of Cheney by Hume. A slow pitch softball game if ever there was one.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • http://www.libertarianism.com/ Burnnotice

    Government Media always gets the exclusive from the White House. This surprise’s you Steve???
    And It means we will have probably have more of a Surge in Afghanistan, or Possible troop movement to Iran after Israel initializes an attack. And lets not forget China is building up forces, way more then they need for defense. so Taiwan is not out of the question either…

  • The Real Royal King

    JimBob said:
    Promised transparency at last.. If you can’t see through this shitMSNBC/NBC Exclusive you would have to be legally blind, stupid or both!Thank God November is coming! Sickening!!

    You find the truth disgusting? Interesting. Watch much FOX?

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • The Real Royal King

    Burnnotice said:
    Government Media always gets the exclusive from the White House. This surprise’s you Steve???And It means we will have probably have more of a Surge in Afghanistan, or Possible troop movement to Iran after Israel initializes an attack. And lets not forget China is building up forces, way more then they need for defense. so Taiwan is not out of the question either…

    Sorry, Burnnotice. This was FOX blowing it more than anything else. A dreadful night for the no news team.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • shootfromthehip

    “Thank God November is coming!”

    Don’t count your chickens before they have hatched, “Jim Bob.”

  • TfT

    TRRK makes me laugh with his flat out lies. FNC had the story at 6:15 with interviews from the field. You can deny that if you like.

    MSNBC/NBC had the Bloom Mobile moved to the theater, due to their advance notice by Team Obama.

    NBC is the National Barak Channel — for them to make the claim that “their technology” is superior is just plain stupid; they had the technology in place because they were given the exclusive. Good for them for reporting it, but for their focus, and opening statements to be about THEM and not about the troops just goes to show you what NBC thinks of the troops.

  • shootfromthehip

    Nearly 70 million Americans voted for Obama and the Tea Party isn’t looking so great right now to most Americans.

    You think voters hate Democrats? Maybe. But they hate the Tea Party and the GOP more. No candidate is assured a win.

  • shootfromthehip

    Hey “TTT” if NBC is the “National Barak Channel” as you state, then why does Saturday Night Live make fun of Obama all the time and why do they allow a conservative, Joe Scarbourgh, on the air every morning for 4 hours to say Obama sucks daily?

    Get a clue.

  • murf

    MORE LIES FROM THE KING DAY & NITE
    FOX CAUSES HIM ODD FEAR & FRIGHT
    MSNBC COVERS ONE BIG STORY
    THE REAL ROYAL KING DROOLS IN GLORY.

  • NORBIT

    Did any of these JournOlists bring up the irony that Obama was overseeing a pullout that would never have occurred had his adamant opposition to the Surge been heeded?

    Now he’s trying to claim credit for this? – I DON’T THINK FOX WILL LET HIM MISREPRESENT THIS!

  • The Real Royal King

    TfT said:
    TRRK makes me laugh with his flat out lies. FNC had the story at 6:15 with interviews from the field. You can deny that if you like. MSNBC/NBC had the Bloom Mobile moved to the theater, due to their advance notice by Team Obama. NBC is the National Barak Channel — for them to make the claim that “their technology” is superior is just plain stupid; they had the technology in place because they were given the exclusive. Good for them for reporting it, but for their focus, and opening statements to be about THEM and not about the troops just goes to show you what NBC thinks of the troops.

    Yes, this was a great couple of minutes wasn’t it? Everyone else is marking a solemn, but celebratory historic event, with great dignity, with homage to the troops who are returning and to those who aren’t, and O’Reilly has a body language expert, O’Hannity has Rove and O’Van Susteren is in a boat in Alaska. I’m afraid you can’t change any of that TfT. You’re pretty much reduced to vacuous denials.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • TfT

    I truly don’t think ANY network will allow Obama to take credit for this success…not even NBC. CNN will give it a shot, as will Georgy on ABC, but the people are too smart to let the media get away with a blatant lie like that.

    Joe S a conservative? HAHAHAHAHA

    NBC got the exclusive, advance warning and was allowed to prep for this coverage….again, good on them for being there, bad on them for touting their “technology” as the reason as opposed to their sheer Obama suckupery.

    NBC – National Barak Channel

  • TfT

    TRRK: O’Hannity, O’Van Sustern?????

    Please, grow up.

    FNC covered the story at 6:10 (not 6:15 as I reported earlier)/

    So save your Fox bashing for someone who cares; it isn’t me.

    FNC dominates the cablers for a reason.

  • The Real Royal King

    NORBIT said:
    Did any of these JournOlists bring up the irony that Obama was overseeing a pullout that would never have occurred had his adamant opposition to the Surge been heeded? Now he’s trying to claim credit for this? – I DON’T THINK FOX WILL LET HIM MISREPRESENT THIS!

    Yes, and CNN even noted that the Surge would not have been necessary but for a decision to invade and occupy a country that had no role in 9/11 and but for the failure to set forth a clear strategy and but for the stubborn refusal to change a failed strategy. I’d say everything was pretty well-covered. Except on FOX, of course.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • The Real Royal King

    TfT said:
    FNC dominates the cablers for a reason.

    Because the 1% of Americans who watch FOX “News” prefer to listen to lies? Lies are easier to digest than to acknowledge their political ideology is flawed. I can by that.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • coalminecanary

    I also challenge this notion that NBC is a mouthpiece for the administration. Wasn’t Gibbs just eating shit for complaining about the “professional left” on “cable news” being too critical of the President? Let’s not kid ourselves, he was talking about MSNBC, which if you watch it, is constantly criticizing the President.

    Ok, not constantly, but obviously enough to irritate the White House.

  • TfT

    You go right ahead and “by” that TRRK.

    And please continue your fox bashing with your terrific poetry, it really adds a lot of value to the board.

  • The Real Royal King

    TfT said:
    You go right ahead and “by” that TRRK. And please continue your fox bashing with your terrific poetry, it really adds a lot of value to the board.

    Thanks for the correction and for the compliment. Both are greatly appreciated.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • Puter Boi

    The Real Royal King said:
    one of the biggest news stories of the decade.

    Hi, King!
    Not so sure about that. I hope this is wrapping up our presence in Iraq, but there are still 50,000 American troops there. The media can call them whatever they choose, but the fact remains….they are combat ready troops, with weapons, tanks…etc. etc……
    It might take a few months for this all to sort itself out.
    Take care, Dude.

  • http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

    FOR TRUTH IN NEWS I ALWAYS LOOK
    TOTHE CHANNEL WHERE TRUTH I SEE
    I PUT DOWN MY PIPE AND BOOK
    FOX STINKS !
    Bada bing.

  • newzmaker

    So, Amerika’s State-Run media outlet, MSNBC/NBC, gets the troop withdrawal exclusive. Only in Obama’s Amerika, could the anti-military, Professional Left, get this ‘exclusive’ scoop. Let’s hope our troops are wearing their spit-protectant gear, with these whackos around.

  • The Real Royal King

    Puter Boi said:
    Hi, King!Not so sure about that. I hope this is wrapping up our presence in Iraq, but there are still 50,000 American troops there. The media can call them whatever they choose, but the fact remains….they are combat ready troops, with weapons, tanks…etc. etc……It might take a few months for this all to sort itself out.Take care, Dude.

    I hope it is only a few months. I agree, it’s not over. We’ve entered a new phase, a phase for which I think we have carefully prepared. Let’s hope, and let’s keep praying for those Americans remaining and coordinating the training and transition.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

    King Obama the Beloved . Well done as usual . You deserve some time off from all that luxury at the White House . Go to Martha’s Vineyard and relax ! When you check in to your motel , tell them you don’t want to be too close to the ice machine , as the noise may disturb your rest .

  • newzmaker

    Remember when State-Run Mika, MSNBC, acknowledged on live TV, that she works with the White House on talking points.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2010/06/21/mika-admits-im-working-white-house-oil-spill-talking-points#ixzz0rVly0wld

  • dummy123

    I hear GE sells lots of GREEN products.
    I watched some of the MSNBC coverage.
    It was a Bush bash-fest!

  • TfT

    Isn’t it always a Bush bash fest dummy? Nothing new there.

    If NBC attempts to credit Obama for this they will be the laughing stock of the nation. Their journalistic creds are already in the trash heap.

    We did this because our technology is superior….bwahahaha.

    It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this story.

  • JimBob

    I have never put a lot of stock in any of these so called “exclusives” by anyone,
    Network or Cable, but the first one out seems to get their jollys over the bragging rights
    or whatever. In any case once the first guys report the so called exclusive, the other grab
    it and everyone has the same news within five or ten minutes. About as silly as being the
    “first” to call an election on election day!!
    Even if it did mean much which I sincerely doubt, look at the stumblebums MSNBC
    had reporting the story last night! How long could you stomach all of them at one time?
    Betting the ratings were just about as dismal as they normally are!
    The withdrawel last night WAS a planned Dog and Pony Show.
    Watch!!

  • NORBIT

    The Real Royal King said:
    Yes, and CNN even noted that the Surge would not have been necessary but for a decision to invade and occupy a country that had no role in 9/11 and but for the failure to set forth a clear strategy and but for the stubborn refusal to change a failed strategy. IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWSFOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,NO NEWS WAS REPORTEDNO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

    ———————

    Hey, I’m not talking about thw war; JUST THE IRONY!

  • Cecelia

    “But this type of access and advanced warning will add fuel to the fire of those who believe NBC and MSNBC get special treatment from the Obama administration.”

    Ya think…

    MSNBC basically got the exclusive on the Obama’s Administration’s “Mission Accomplished” (for a campaign promise).

  • MichelleF

    For those of you who don’t think NBC is a mouthpiece for Dems, I have 2 words for you, Charlie Rangel.

    Charlie Rangel: This doesn’t sound like an NBC question.

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal king writes, “FOX is simply not news, and, as such, much of your story is disingenuous, Steve. An exclusive story, indeed. Covered by everyone except FOX “News” and LMN, it would seem.”

    Evidently NBC VP David Verdi was also “disingenuous” when he reported ‘“The military had said, ‘You are the ones who are going to broadcast it first.’”’

  • Cecelia

    Steve Krakauer writes: “Also from the story, David Verdi, an NBC News vice president, said, “The military had said, ‘You are the ones who are going to broadcast it first.’”

    That’s a stunning admission, and shows a degree of coziness between both sides here. But not, perhaps, a coziness with the administration as a whole. White House correspondent Chuck Todd said on MSNBC:

    We’re not the only ones embedded with this last brigade that had just left Iraq. In fact I think there are four or five other news organizations. We happen to be the only one that has the technology to bring these pictures to the world tonight live, of this brigade leaving. You do get the sense, Keith, that that is what wasn’t fully comprehended [by the White House].”

    Embeds are approved by the military, Steve. It’s worth commenting upon that among the “four or five other news organizations” that Chuch Todd mentions as fellow embeds in the “last brigade”, MSNBC was the only with the technology to broadcast worldwide.

    Doesn’t that fact EXACTLY correspond with what the military brass told NBC: ‘You are the ones who are going to broadcast it first.’”’

  • smacman

    I guess Uncle Rupert should have given 1 million to the Democrats and maybe Fixed News would have gotten a heads up on the troop withdrawal.

  • The Real Royal King

    MichelleF said:
    For those of you who don’t think NBC is a mouthpiece for Dems, I have 2 words for you, Charlie Rangel. Charlie Rangel: This doesn’t sound like an NBC question.

    ?

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King writes: “Yes, this was a great couple of minutes wasn’t it? Everyone else is marking a solemn, but celebratory historic event, with great dignity, with homage to the troops who are returning and to those who aren’t, and O’Reilly has a body language expert, O’Hannity has Rove and O’Van Susteren is in a boat in Alaska. I’m afraid you can’t change any of that TfT. You’re pretty much reduced to vacuous denials.”

    On the contrary, you are utterly reduced to trying to change the subject to FNC’s coverage and ignoring what NBC brass has said about its own exclusive, the fact that all of MSNBC night-time lineup was prepared to go live beforehand (with Rachel Maddow in the field) and that “even” CNN clearly was not.

  • chucken

    During the Bush years Fox did endless stories and had Fox reporters in Iraq telling America what a damn good idea this war was.Now Fox at the 9AM EDT news headlines never used the name President Obama and that this was a campaign promise he made and kept. Fox quickly went back to non-white bashing.Muslims,Blacks,Mexicans with I’m sure Asians will next on the Fox racist hit list.

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    Steve Krakauer writes: “Also from the story, David Verdi, an NBC News vice president, said, “The military had said, ‘You are the ones who are going to broadcast it first.’” That’s a stunning admission, and shows a degree of coziness between both sides here. But not, perhaps, a coziness with the administration as a whole. White House correspondent Chuck Todd said on MSNBC: We’re not the only ones embedded with this last brigade that had just left Iraq. In fact I think there are four or five other news organizations. We happen to be the only one that has the technology to bring these pictures to the world tonight live, of this brigade leaving. You do get the sense, Keith, that that is what wasn’t fully comprehended [by the White House].” Embeds are approved by the military, Steve. It’s worth commenting upon that among the “four or five other news organizations” that Chuch Todd mentions as fellow embeds in the “last brigade”, MSNBC was the only with the technology to broadcast worldwide. Doesn’t that fact EXACTLY correspond with what the military brass told NBC: ‘You are the ones who are going to broadcast it first.’”’

    So is this just your analysis, or is it the official Koldy’s Phox Phan Klub apologia for FOX having O’Baier reading up a shrill, prepared defense of News Corp’s underwriting the RGA, O’Reilly having a body language expert, O’Hannity pumping up Rove’s ego and O’Van Susteren cruising around in a boat in Alaska while the real news channels were covering the happy end of a tragic newsworthy events? We didn’t bother with the news because the White House is mean to us? That’s mature.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • Mr B

    I truly don’t think ANY network will allow Obama to take credit for this success

    Why should they allow Obama credit for a Bush policy coming due? If Obama were at the airport, greeting the troops, with GWB then you might have a point.

  • The Real Royal King

    smacman said:
    I guess Uncle Rupert should have given 1 million to the Democrats and maybe Fixed News would have gotten a heads up on the troop withdrawal.

    That wouldn’t have helped. Shep had gone home, and we know once he leaves, FOX is a News-Free Zone. If Belgium invaded and occupied the Dry Tortugas after 7:00 p.m., we’d never know about from FOX until Gretchen O’Van Karlson finishes her bashathon the next morning.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    fox seems incapable of ‘reporting’ actual news instead of the right-wing lies…while keith olbermann was calling bush out on the lies he and the other nuts were spreading about wmd fox and all their worshipers..er..viewers continue to perpetuate the 9/11 connection lies and now people like orielly feel they need to cover their asses so they just say ‘well, sadam was a bad man so it’s good we took him out’..
    if it were up to you right-wing nutjobs, we would be going into iran…
    don’t worry fox, after 6 more years of obama and 4 of hillary you might get back in power if you keep giving money to the incompetent republicans and then you can have all the wars you want to lie about

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King writes “So is this just your analysis, or is it the official Koldy’s Phox Phan Klub apologia for FOX having O’Baier reading up a shrill, prepared defense of News Corp’s underwriting the RGA, O’Reilly having a body language expert, O’Hannity pumping up Rove’s ego and O’Van Susteren cruising around in a boat in Alaska while the real news channels were covering the happy end of a tragic newsworthy events? We didn’t bother with the news because the White House is mean to us? That’s mature.”

    Yeah, that’s my analysis.

    It’s based upon what Steve Krakauer reports. What an NBC VP said. And the obvious prepared of MSNBC scheduling their entire lineup around this event as contrasted by “even CNN” who had to dump scheduled Rick Sanchez to cover it.

    On the other hand, YOUR “analysis” is based upon dissing FNC and me and insisting other networks were as aware as MSNBC of what was to go down, with absolutely no specifics.

    In other words, you offer nothing but obfuscation and insult.

    What else is new…

  • MichelleF

    Chili, I love you, but using Olbermann as an example of an actual NEWS person, doesn’t do alot for your credibility.

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    The Real Royal King writes “So is this just your analysis, or is it the official Koldy’s Phox Phan Klub apologia for FOX having O’Baier reading up a shrill, prepared defense of News Corp’s underwriting the RGA, O’Reilly having a body language expert, O’Hannity pumping up Rove’s ego and O’Van Susteren cruising around in a boat in Alaska while the real news channels were covering the happy end of a tragic newsworthy events? We didn’t bother with the news because the White House is mean to us? That’s mature.” Yeah, that’s my analysis. It’s based upon what Steve Krakauer reports. What an NBC VP said. And the obvious prepared of MSNBC scheduling their entire lineup around this event as contrasted by “even CNN” who had to dump scheduled Rick Sanchez to cover it. On the other hand, YOUR “analysis” is based upon dissing FNC and me and insisting other networks were as aware as MSNBC of what was to go down, with absolutely no specifics. In other words, you offer nothing but obfuscation and insult. What else is new…

    Yes, the entire FOX Zombie Brigade is having a tough time this morning, isn’t it?

    Kudos for your noble effort, however. You are intelligent and articulate, as well as analytical, so I know it is painful to be reduced to a FOX promo ad.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • The Real Royal King

    MichelleF said:
    Chili, I love you, but using Olbermann as an example of an actual NEWS person, doesn’t do alot for your credibility.

    Actually, if you do the math, Michelle-in-Utah, Olbermann did 240 times the amount of news last night that FOX did. Unless of course, you consider O’Baier reading a FOX PR release, O’Reilly consulting a body language expert, O’Hannity pumping up O’rove’s ego, and O’Van Susteren boating in Alaska news.

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • Cecelia

    Actually, according to the Brian Stelter NYT piece linked above, the Pentagon went with MSNBC in order to broadcast what NBC anchor Brian Reynolds termed the Pentagon’s “official announcement”:

    “Asked how the NBC broadcast constituted “an official Pentagon announcement,” Steve Capus, the president of NBC News, said the broadcast was such a declaration because “the announcement that the last Stryker brigade was leaving Iraq had not been made” by the military.

    David Verdi, an NBC News vice president, added, “The military had said, ‘You are the ones who are going to broadcast it first.’”

  • Cecelia

    “Yes, the entire FOX Zombie Brigade is having a tough time this morning, isn’t it?

    Kudos for your noble effort, however. You are intelligent and articulate, as well as analytical, so I know it is painful to be reduced to a FOX promo ad.”

    I’m not only intelligent, articulate, and analytical, I’ve included CNN in being left in the dark.

    On the other hand you’ve done nothing but to try and change the subject and to insult and obfuscate.

    That all you’ve got.

  • Cecelia

    “Asked how the NBC broadcast constituted “an official Pentagon announcement,” Steve Capus, the president of NBC News, said the broadcast was such a declaration because “the announcement that the last Stryker brigade was leaving Iraq had not been made” by the military.

    David Verdi, an NBC News vice president, added, “The military had said, ‘You are the ones who are going to broadcast it first.’”

    ——————————————————————————–

    Maybe the military will now leave MSNBC to handle all its official announcements.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    i only point out keith because he seemed to be the most vociferous of all pundits..especially when he pointed out the lie bush told about not playing golf after, i think it was one of the ambassadors in iraq, was killed..
    i never really liked bush, but i was behind him all the way until the lies to get us into iraq..i think even iran was with us after 9/11 until bush lied to everyone

  • Cecelia

    “Asked how the NBC broadcast constituted “an official Pentagon announcement,” Steve Capus, the president of NBC News, said the broadcast was such a declaration because “the announcement that the last Stryker brigade was leaving Iraq had not been made” by the military.”

    I don’t know about you guys, but in the symbolic moment of the beginning of the ending of military operations in Iraq, the Pentagon didn’t allow just anyone to make the official announcement.

    Someone might have thought that the Pentagon would have gone with….say…. Gen Petraeus making the announcement,….. or perhaps the Commander of that ” last brigade”… or even a soldier who had fought there in Iraq…

    Oh, no…. the Pentagon went with Brian Williams and NBC News…

    THAT ought to make you feel warm and fuzzy.

  • smacman

    To the The Real Royal King

    Sadly you are correct once 8 pm rolls around Fox News becomes a vast wasteland of praying on the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately that leads to strong ratings but then again so does Jerry Springer.

    Maybe once Rupert is gone and his sons Uday & Qusay take over the network will fall apart.

  • Constantly

    Psstt Cecelia, when royal makes fun of your username it means you got under his skin. I hope the loser doesn’t play poker, the bitch has a “tell”!

  • Mr B

    Ouch.

    “George Bush is 6 points more popular than Obama in frontline districts”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/244181/when-blame-bush-fails-what-do-democrats-do

    The troops coming home? Blame Bush.

  • Cecelia

    “Actually, if you do the math, Michelle-in-Utah, Olbermann did 240 times the amount of news last night that FOX did. Unless of course, you consider O’Baier reading a FOX PR release, O’Reilly consulting a body language expert, O’Hannity pumping up O’rove’s ego, and O’Van Susteren boating in Alaska news.”

    Well, no wonder.

    According to the info in the NYT’s, MSNBC spent weeks “secretly” preparing for the broadcast after they were told by the military that they would have the exclusive.

    http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/18/for-the-pull-out-nbc-dusts-off-the-bloommobile/

    “Inside an NBC News control room, they were also nerve-racking, as the network prepared on Wednesday night to broadcast live from a convoy that carried elements of the last United States combat brigade to leave the country. It was a high-stakes broadcast, one that the network had secretly worked for weeks to pull off.”

  • Cecelia

    “Psstt Cecelia, when royal makes fun of your username it means you got under his skin. I hope the loser doesn’t play poker, the bitch has a “tell”!”

    Generally the “tell” is the sockpuppets.

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    I’ve included CNN in being left in the dark.

    Yet, CNN had some remarkably good coverage last night, whilst FOX had O’Baier’s PR statement regarding its ties to the RGA, O’Reilly’s body language analyst, O’Hannity pumping up O’Rove’s deflated ego and O’Van Susteren boating in Alaska. How do you explain CNN’s ability to cover news even if it did not have a leg up, as you allege, whilst FOX goes and stays flaccid? Why was FOX, alone, not covering this true news?

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    “Actually, if you do the math, Michelle-in-Utah, Olbermann did 240 times the amount of news last night that FOX did. Unless of course, you consider O’Baier reading a FOX PR release, O’Reilly consulting a body language expert, O’Hannity pumping up O’rove’s ego, and O’Van Susteren boating in Alaska news.” Well, no wonder. According to the info in the NYT’s, MSNBC spent weeks “secretly” preparing for the broadcast after they were told by the military that they would have the exclusive. http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/18/for-the-pull-out-nbc-dusts-off-the-bloommobile/ “Inside an NBC News control room, they were also nerve-racking, as the network prepared on Wednesday night to broadcast live from a convoy that carried elements of the last United States combat brigade to leave the country. It was a high-stakes broadcast, one that the network had secretly worked for weeks to pull off.”

    Do I understand you to say you simply don’t like good news coverage, or is it you don’t like good news coverage when it’s on MSNBC?

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    maybe fox should’ve sent britebart to make a video of how all of iraq was lining the street crying and waving good bye to our brave men and women…
    it was just like when we arrived and they lined the streets welcoming us blowing kisses and throwing flowers at our troops

  • The Real Royal King

    ChiliPeppersFan said:
    maybe fox should’ve sent britebart to make a video of how all of iraq was lining the street crying and waving good bye to our brave men and women…

    That’s good!

    IF NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
    FOX HAD SUCH A GREAT NIGHT,
    NO NEWS WAS REPORTED
    NO NEWSMAN WAS IN SIGHT.

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King obfuscates, “Yet, CNN had some remarkably good coverage last night, whilst FOX had O’Baier’s PR statement regarding its ties to the RGA, O’Reilly’s body language analyst, O’Hannity pumping up O’Rove’s deflated ego and O’Van Susteren boating in Alaska. How do you explain CNN’s ability to cover news even if it did not have a leg up, as you allege, whilst FOX goes and stays flaccid? Why was FOX, alone, not covering this true news?”

    CNN would have had even better coverage had they been given the sort of exclusive that the Pentagon gave MSNBC. Had they been told that there was going to be an announcement of early troop withdrawal. Had they, as MSNBC had, “weeks to secretly prepare”.

    I know you wish to make this all about insulting FNC so as to obscure the fact that MSNBC and got a sweetheart deal, but you’re fooling no one.

  • Cecelia

    “Do I understand you to say you simply don’t like good news coverage, or is it you don’t like good news coverage when it’s on MSNBC?”

    I know you’re a master at playing stupid when you think it helps….but not even one as adept at it as you are… can pull this off.

  • Pablo

    shootfromthehip said:
    You think voters hate Democrats? Maybe. But they hate the Tea Party and the GOP more. No candidate is assured a win.

    Really?

    The advice from Democratic consultants and strategists is almost unanimous: Run away from the president, and fast. A prominent Democratic pollster is circulating a survey that shows George W. Bush is 6 points more popular than President Obama in “Frontline” districts – seats held by Democrats that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sees as most vulnerable to Republican takeover. That Bush is more popular than Obama in Democratic-held seats is cause for outright fear.

    75 days, kids.

  • felixw

    Sure, the Obama administration orchestrated this “scoop” for their liberal friends at NBC. But the joke is that Obama needs to turn to Iraq for his only foreign policy success story. And this one is totally due to the Bush surge, and would never have happened if the US had followed the defeatist philosophy of Obama the candidate. So Obama can continue to attack Bush, but his only win comes straight out of Bush’s pocket.

    Not that the ideologues on MSNBC would ever even whisper that…..

  • moneymack

    i found it deplorable that Fox, the cheerleading mouthpiece for the Bush administration and its handling of this war, totally ignored the story. The lack of patriotism is incredulous…its really sad. Even if you didnt have the access you were accustomed to doesnt give you the right to disrepect our Armed Forces. So respect for our troops stops at the door of whatever partys in charge? To hell with you!!!

  • felixw

    moneymack said:
    i found it deplorable that Fox, the cheerleading mouthpiece for the Bush administration and its handling of this war, totally ignored the story.

    Uh, I’m sure that Fox would have covered it if the administration had given Fox the same kind of access they gave to NBC. So blame Mr. Obama is you wanted to see more coverage on Fox.

  • Cecelia

    CNN and FNC would have covered it more if they had the same sort of heads up. Bloom mobile or no.

  • Nachi

    Now it’s time to have some more Hero/Victory parades!!

  • felixw

    I’ve just seen the MSNBC ratings for this coverage. They were pathetically low. Maddow had one of her smallest audiences in ages. I guess asking these leftwing ideologues to cover anything having to do with a successful American military operation is a loser with the “progressive” audience. Maybe MSNBC should go back to attacking the Iraq strategy. That would be more appealing to their base audience.

    Of course, the Left is in a total a bind. Since Iraq is the only success story of Obama’s two years in audience, and he owes it completely to the George Bush, whose strategy Obama opposed at every turn.

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