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NYT: ‘Fox News All But Handed Out Lanterns And Pitchforks’ To The Tea Party

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In the wake of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert‘s announcement that they will be holding a rally on the the Washington Mall to ‘restore sanity’ the New York TimesDavid Carr takes a look at the media-based origins of the Tea Party and how we got to a place where media figures are playing politicians. Says Carr:

In politics, it seems as if the media is intent on not just keeping score but also calling plays.

Consider that a popular political movement started on one cable network (Rick Santelli’s tea party moment on CNBC) and enabled by another (Fox News all but handed out lanterns and pitchforks) produced a number of victorious primary candidates, including the improbable Christine O’Donnell in the Delaware Republican primary for United States Senate. A former aide to the candidate was quoted in Politico as saying that Ms. O’Donnell had hoped that her political endeavors would yield a television contract.

With his demonstration on the National Mall in Washington on the anniversary of the famed Martin Luther King speech in August, Glenn Beck of Fox News projected real-world political might in a way that the press lord William Randolph Hearst could have only dreamed about.

Perhaps what’s most striking about all these figures (Sarah Palin, arguably most of all) is how much disdain they show for the actual business of journalism. Nevertheless, you have to wonder if President Obama does sometimes fantasize about quitting his job and starting his own O network as a way to effect change with the constant barrage of criticism.

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  • TfT

    Snicker – the “O” network, today known as:

    ABC
    CBS
    NBC
    MSNBC
    CNN

    Too funny Glynnis.

    Sarah doesn’t disdain the actual business of journalism Glynnis, she disdains the fact that the actual business of journalism has been thrown in the ash heap of history. If journalists did their job she wouldn’t have a problem, as she has made perfectly clear. But as the media continues to lie, cheat and steal….”business of journalism” doesn’t belong in the conversation anymore. I’m guessing Glynnis is a member of journolist.

  • Pablo

    In politics, it seems as if the media is intent on not just keeping score but also calling plays.

    This is news to David Carr? And he sees this going on everywhere but the New York Times? Did he read his paper a couple of years ago?

  • The Real Royal King

    I have to admit that there is a certain sense of amusement in watching the village idiots gather in the centre ville with pitchforks and torches and ascend the hill, and you really can’t blame a cable entertainment network for generating some business. It’s not as if we’re talking about news.

  • Big Eddie

    The White House just totally denied the NYT report that Obama was going to tie the GOP to the Tea Party . Is the NYT lying here also ? Were they lying then or are they lying now ? The White House would never tell a lie !

  • TfT

    Right TRRK – I mean it’s nothing like this:

    Dem Rep Denies Involvement With Dem Hitler-Sign Protesters Led By Her Dem Staffers Who Met at Her Dem Office
    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/

    Just one more story about the horrific actions of the democrats that Glynnis, Dan, et al IGNORE.

    Oh well…..”half-assed” = “half-black”, or in this case “half-assed”= mediaite.

  • The Real Royal King

    Does anyone really think the bedbug infestation in the northeast is unrelated to Randi the Witch?

  • no-touchy-touchy

    TfT said:
    Right TRRK – I mean it’s nothing like this:

    Dem Rep Denies Involvement With Dem Hitler-Sign Protesters Led By Her Dem Staffers Who Met at Her Dem Office
    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/

    Just one more story about the horrific actions of the democrats that Glynnis, Dan, et al IGNORE.

    Oh well…..”half-assed” = “half-black”, or in this case “half-assed”= mediaite.

    OH – give him a cigar
    first one of the day for the maher comment

  • The Real Royal King

    TfT said:
    Right TRRK – I mean it’s nothing like this: Dem Rep Denies Involvement With Dem Hitler-Sign Protesters Led By Her Dem Staffers Who Met at Her Dem Officehttp://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/ Just one more story about the horrific actions of the democrats that Glynnis, Dan, et al IGNORE. Oh well…..”half-assed” = “half-black”, or in this case “half-assed”= mediaite.

    I know, I know, I know. If I were you, I wouldn’t visit such a despicable site.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Lamb/1085325013 Andy Lamb

    This is SO funny, coming from a guy who writes for the New York Times – LOL. The New York Times, a paper with journalistic integrity equal to the Weekly World News and their stories of space aliens and talking monkeys. And from David Carr to boot. David Carr, the cocaine addict. Maybe he hasn’t kicked the habit after all.

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Rejection Day Nov. 2nd. RRK is sticking pins in his voodo doll. It won’t work.

    WASHINGTON – Tilted toward the GOP from the start of the year, the political environment has grown even more favorable for Republicans and rockier for President Barack Obama and his Democrats over the long primary season that just ended with a bang.
    With November’s matchups set and the general election campaign beginning in earnest Wednesday, an Associated Press-GfK poll found that more Americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction than did before the nomination contests got under way in February. Also, more now disapprove of the job Obama is doing. And more now want to see Republicans in control of Congress rather than the Democrats who now run the House and Senate.
    The country’s pessimism benefits the out-of-power GOP, which clearly has enthusiasm on its side. Far more people voted this year in Republicans primaries than in Democratic contests, and the antiestablishment tea party coalition has energized the GOP even as it has sprung a series of primary surprises.

  • Pablo

    Andy Lamb said:
    The New York Times, a paper with journalistic integrity equal to the Weekly World News and their stories of space aliens and talking monkeys.

    Andy, the Weekly World News isn’t in the tank for anyone, and I doubt they expect their readers to actually believe the bullshit they print. I don’t think they deserve the comparison.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Lamb/1085325013 Andy Lamb

    Pablo said:
    Andy, the Weekly World News isn’t in the tank for anyone, and I doubt they expect their readers to actually believe the bullshit they print. I don’t think they deserve the comparison.

    Good point Pablo. I guess this does place them at least a notch above the Times when it comes to quality news reporting. Actually, I’ve often wondered if the same folks get their news from both papers.

  • no-touchy-touchy

    gordonbloyershow said:
    Rejection Day Nov. 2nd. RRK is sticking pins in his voodo doll. It won’t work.

    WASHINGTON – Tilted toward the GOP from the start of the year, the political environment has grown even more favorable for Republicans and rockier for President Barack Obama and his Democrats over the long primary season that just ended with a bang.
    With November’s matchups set and the general election campaign beginning in earnest Wednesday, an Associated Press-GfK poll found that more Americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction than did before the nomination contests got under way in February. Also, more now disapprove of the job Obama is doing. And more now want to see Republicans in control of Congress rather than the Democrats who now run the House and Senate.
    The country’s pessimism benefits the out-of-power GOP, which clearly has enthusiasm on its side. Far more people voted this year in Republicans primaries than in Democratic contests, and the antiestablishment tea party coalition has energized the GOP even as it has sprung a series of primary surprises.

    I was going to say thats the most thoughtful and most words I’ve seen you put together without insults, and then realized it was The Associated Press

  • RichS

    The Real Royal King said:
    I have to admit that there is a certain sense of amusement in watching the village idiots gather in the centre ville with pitchforks and torches and ascend the hill, and you really can’t blame a cable entertainment network for generating some business. It’s not as if we’re talking about news.

    Glad you could be amused watching yourself. You are the village idiot you are referring to, aren’t you? And that trip up the hill carring a pitchfork, I assume you didn’t want any light on your hideous face, Was this your latest boring report on what you have been doing with yourself?

  • jooce81

    ahh you have to love american politics, where every 4 years the opposite party in office is the worst thing ever.. sadly nothing will change with just 2 major parties, this country needs more options, 4 or 5 legitimate parties, without which alot of us are forced to just settle.

  • jooce81

    gordonbloyershow said:
    And more now want to see Republicans in control of Congress rather than the Democrats who now run the House and Senate.

    This should be the wish no matter who’s in power, (the opposite side controlling i mean, not just reps) NO party should control the house, senate & WH all at the same time, where are the checks and balances in that

  • http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

    Overall, U’d say that Mr. Carr turned in a good piece that has plenty of room to be quoted, but he seems a little conflicted about his underlying theme and you could say that at least for part, he may be missing the forest for the trees.

    As to his conclusion about Stewart and Colbert increasing role in politics, I don’t really have a lot of qualms, but in the beginning, he seems to conflate television with media and misses that a lot of its newfound power is derived from the infinite number of channels afforded us through the democratizing power of technology and the internet.

    Ten years ago, Glenn Beck or Jon Stewart could say anything that they wanted and unless you were running a VCR, the words would just get lost in the ether. Those who may have had the programs on tape could mostly only show it to their friends and as a general rule, the legitimate news still don’t really report a lot about other outlets. While today, any random clip could go viral and be reposted to any number of “channels”, which means what they say today can easily be rebroadcast to target audiences and an accessible archive will exist to the end of time.

    To me, that’s the changed landscape.

  • writer

    I’m sure Carr will be presenting the pictures of all those people carrying pitchforks. When has the left ever just pulled something out of thin air without any evidence to back it up?

  • RazorsEdge

    Entertaining observing the Media having a temper tantrum when ‘things’ not going their way. Use words/phrases like pitchforks and O Network. Sense mood swings like fear/despair and the need to persuade.

    I would agree with @magister that technology/applications like Facebook and Twitter is generating a forceful competitor and advisary for the MSM’s. It will ony get more innovative. Personally don’t feel the Tea Party movement could have been as substantive 5 years ago. I actually think forms of the Tea Party around 5 years ago, the Internet has ony collected, organized and spread their message. More than any one cable network.

  • felixw

    Sure, the tea party is not a grass roots movement, but contrived by Rupert Murdoch and Fox News. Those 500,000 people cheering for fiscal responsibility and government accountability at Glenn Beck’s rally were all Fox News employees, bused in from HQ. Very astute of the New York Times to figure this out.

    Of course, the fact that the NY Times is getting totally trounced and manhandled by Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal has no bearing on the Times’ credibility on this story…..

  • zumpano

    Let’s be honest here:

    Is there a Tea Partier that DOESN’T WATCH FOX?

    Like this topic even needs to be argued.

    I don’t see any Tea Partiers running Democratic.

    Murdoch, Koch Brothers, Cancer Treatment Center of America, United Healthcare = TEA PARTY ENABLERS

    LOLS

  • zumpano

    WHY DO YOU TEA PARTIERS HATE AMERICA?

    YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO LOVE THE PRESIDENT IN ALL HE DOES

    DON’T YOU REMEMBER THE DIXIE CHICKS

    YOU”RE ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF DIXIE CHICKS

    THE USA SHOULD DIXIE CHICK YOU

  • writer

    Yes. During the Bush years, dissent was the highest form of patriotism.

  • felixw

    Just listen to the lefties hear sputter and whine. A huge grassroots movement is underway demanding responsible government and fiscal prudence. And all the Lest has in response are jokes about masturbation and witchcraft. It’s easy to see who will win this election.

  • The Real Royal King

    felixw said:
    Those 500,000 people cheering for fiscal responsibility and government accountability at Glenn Beck’s rally were all Fox News employees, bused in from HQ.

    500K. Ha! Ha! How do dishonesty and delusion advance your cause?

  • writer

    I didn’t notice any pitchforks in Beck’s crowd. There have been deaths after Al Sharpton’s rallies, but I’m not sure if they resulted from pitchfork wounds.

    (Giddyup)

  • no-touchy-touchy

    writer said:
    Those 500,000 people cheering for fiscal responsibility and government accountability at Glenn Beck’s rally were all Fox News employees, bused in from HQ.

    wow 2 whole days without an Al Sharpton reference

  • http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

    @RazorsEdge: I’ll agree that there were elements of the Tea Party around five years ago and though some may want to quibble, I’d not only take it back through Perot and his pioneering work using television as an organizing tool, but all the way back to the beginning of time.

    There have always been interest groups and they’ve often sought out a community. For example, Mormonism comes up on this forum a lot and they found a community in the western US; I’m currently living in the midwest and there’s several museums around to commemorate socialist experiments and I’m from the south, where if you look closely, you can find tributes to “consolidated” and “normal”.

    What the internet does is that it removes location as one of the requirements for community and it provides an infinite number of “channels” upon which the like-minded can congregate. Television is one tool and because it’s easier to quote or clip others and many people prefer video to reading, it is repeated.

  • writer

    no-touchy, it’s a struggle. It’s like you guys going a day without mentioning Beck or Palin or Fox News.

  • no-touchy-touchy

    writer said:
    no-touchy, it’s a struggle. It’s like you guys going a day without mentioning Beck or Palin or Fox News.

    I personally have not brought up any of the 3 you mentioned
    I will though reply to your 500,000 people
    the Parks Service stopped providing crowd estimates in 1997
    CBS commissioned an estimate from AirPhotosLive, a company that provides crowd sizes based on aerial photos. CBS noted that there’s a margin of error of plus or minus 9,000. So, by this estimate, there were as few as 78,000 attendees or as many as 96,000.

  • RazorsEdge

    @magister Aside from removing location, I would argue there is a more powerful element that makes an organization such as the Tea Party become more influential.

    Individualism.

    Yes, there are interest groups in all organizations. 5 years ago, much of the voice/message of those interest groups sourced from people in those interest groups. Messaged and channeled out to the public mainly from the interest groups point of view.

    Now the Internet has opened the door to decentralize opinions/philosophies. A person not in any interest group can now message and channel and spread their views. It’s taken it to a common denominator that chips away at the stronghold of an interest group such as a MSM or political party.

    When there is distrust (and growing) sentiment with institutions like MSMs and political parties, then there’s no stopping or blocking any individuals voice now. Individuals who had no knowledge or method to voice their opinion to multiple of people 5 years ago, can now get involved and influence by opeing a Facebook or twitter account (or create an account to comment on a website).

  • jooce81

    felixw said:
    Sure, the tea party is not a grass roots movement, but contrived by Rupert Murdoch and Fox News. Those 500,000 people cheering for fiscal responsibility and government accountability at Glenn Beck’s rally were all Fox News employees, bused in from HQ. Very astute of the New York Times to figure this out.

    at the same point, most those cheering for fiscal responsiblity and gov’t accountability support the monitary aid we give to Israel and the wars based on WMD lies.. so theres alot of hypocracy going on, on both sides of the aisle

  • RunSarahRun

    Tea Party – 19% approval

    Palin – 21% approval

    These numbers should be required in any story… much like the top show on Fox News not even drawing half the audience of something called Pawn Stars on cable… a little reality check for all.

  • http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

    RazorsEdge said:
    When there is distrust (and growing) sentiment with institutions like MSMs and political parties, then there’s no stopping or blocking any individuals voice now. Individuals who had no knowledge or method to voice their opinion to multiple of people 5 years ago, can now get involved and influence by opeing a Facebook or twitter account (or create an account to comment on a website).

    While I’d again open it wider — fundraising for medical research has been revolutionized; it’s easier to find some missing kids in Florida and cops are regularly arrested for beat-downs caught on a cellphone — I’d say that you’ve accurately described why technology trumps television.

  • writer

    no-touchy, it wasn’t me who said there were 500,000. But since the topic of crowds carrying pitchforks was brought up, I thought it was relevant to mention some crowds that actually did carry out violence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Westover/1496648721 Tony Westover

    RunSarahRun said:
    Tea Party – 19% approval

    Palin – 21% approval

    These numbers should be required in any story… much like the top show on Fox News not even drawing half the audience of something called Pawn Stars on cable… a little reality check for all.

    You really don’t want to do that. Fox News routinely is a top performance among ALL cable stations. I don’t think you want that reminder to combat the delusion you’ve created for yourself.

  • DonnaK

    Fox news audience is the last of the old white supporters, that want everything to stay the same, over the top religious organizers that sit around and watch tv all day. That is the impression I get from people I know that watch Fox daily. They seem to love any put down of the President, and they get their daily dose on Fox. Mystery solved about their ratings. Mostly people on Social Security, that evidently doesn’t realize that the 5 tea party candidates want to take that away,maybe from them and their kids & grandkids. It amazes me how Fox can get people behind candidates that are against their own best interests!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Lamb/1085325013 Andy Lamb

    jooce81 said:
    at the same point, most those cheering for fiscal responsiblity and gov’t accountability support the monitary aid we give to Israel and the wars based on WMD lies.. so theres alot of hypocracy going on, on both sides of the aisle

    On foreign aid, if you combine aid to Egypt and Jordan (as an example) we give slightly more to those two countries than we do to Israel. After Israel, the other five countries in the top six are three primarily Muslim countries and two in Africa. In reality, US foreign aid is pretty well spread around. I’m not in the group you mention on Iraq, as even in 2003 I had major doubts about the invasion – unlike Bush and Cheney, the Clintons, John Kerry, and plenty of others on both sides of the aisle. Someone will probably point out that Obama didn’t support the Iraq invasion, but that position was purely based on far left ideology, not grand vision On your hypocrisy complaint, I agree with you, there is plenty of that to go around.

  • jooce81

    Andy Lamb said:
    On foreign aid, if you combine aid to Egypt and Jordan (as an example) we give slightly more to those two countries than we do to Israel. After Israel, the other five countries in the top six are three primarily Muslim countries and two in Africa. In reality, US foreign aid is pretty well spread around. I’m not in the group you mention on Iraq, as even in 2003 I had major doubts about the invasion – unlike Bush and Cheney, the Clintons, John Kerry, and plenty of others on both sides of the aisle. Someone will probably point out that Obama didn’t support the Iraq invasion, but that position was purely based on far left ideology, not grand vision On your hypocrisy complaint, I agree with you, there is plenty of that to go around.

    My point exactly Andy, for this country to become “fiscally responsible, we need to stop giving aid to ALL foreign countries, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia. ect ect ect. We need to stop invasions on countries who dont agree with us, stop building air bases and embassies in various countries (over 80 countries currently) all over the world.. as Ron Paul would say END the American Empire abroad.

  • dahni

    Attended several political gatherings:

    Tea Party: Seems to be made up of mostly Independents and Conservatives with a focus on the Constitutional guidelines. No racism that I saw or heard; indeed included all races although mostly white. Opposed to more Government Control. Concern with continued increase in Governmental Control of and distribution of “wealth”. Not much trust in members of any political party just now.

    GOP: Mostly white(75%) but many more Ethnic Representatives(Mostly Black and Hispanic). Emphasis on the Constitutional Guidelines, smaller Government and support of Capitalism (Big and Small Business). Opposed to Democratic Ideals in most instances (wealth distribution, government controlled health care, bail-outs, increased Union power, etc.).

    Dems: About 60% white, 25% Black and 10% Hispanic, plus other Ethnic Groups. Emphasis on Government Control and Regulation of most Social and Economic Programs. Anti-Rich(favors distribution of wealth);
    Little concern with what most people seem to want because they really know what is best for us.

    I guess I’m outside all three groups, as I support Capitalism, Constitutional Rights, Social Responsibility and Equal Rights for all. I fear that I see only self-centered greed in politicians and businesses. We need to let businesses fail and elect other politicians. Simplistic and naive, I guess…

  • felixw

    The Real Royal King said:
    500K. Ha! Ha! How do dishonesty and delusion advance your cause?

    You’re a joke Royal King. This is like your perennial argument that the Fox ratings dominance is meaningless because there are a trillion people on a planet in Alpha Centauri who don’t watch it.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha!

    Go back to counting the copies sold of Ed Schultz’s book. That’s an easier job for the mathematically challenged. According to Nielsen BookScan, 76 copies were sold last week. As you can see, counting the MSNBC fans is a lot easier than trying to grok the half million people who came out to hear Beck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Scerpella/1022068347 Dan Scerpella

    Ho hum, this is simply the current meme the left leaning media has attempted to pin onto the Tea Party Movement. First it was ignored as inconsequential, then it was not a true grass roots movement funded by the GOP elite, then it was all haters, racists, and kooks, next it is tearing apart the philosophical Right. This will certainly continue until November

    Whatever helps the NYT sleep at night I suppose, its highly likely the Democrats will lose many seats, most of them courtesy of the awareness created by the Tea Party Ideology. The Left has instead of debating the relative merits of the anti big government, anti tax tenets common to the disparate TP groups across the nation, has determined at its own peril to attempt to marginalize these groups in strictly ad hominem fashion. One wonders if the NYT will ever tire of getting it wrong?

  • http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

    There are plenty on “the left” who argue the merits of government and the use of tax policy. Generalizing that half the spectrum refuses to debate the issues is an “attempt to marginalize these groups in strictly ad hominem fashion”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Lamb/1085325013 Andy Lamb

    RunSarahRun said:
    Tea Party – 19% approval Palin – 21% approval These numbers should be required in any story… much like the top show on Fox News not even drawing half the audience of something called Pawn Stars on cable… a little reality check for all.

    Where the hell did you get these numbers? From The Huffington Post? Check a bunch of polls, you’ll find that about 30% of people call themselves Tea Party supporters. That means 30% support the movement, it does not mean that the other 70% oppose it. That is a HUGE number, considering it is a less than 2 year old populist movement that started with a series of local protests against government waste and abuse. As for Palin, she remains very popular with Republicans, about split with Independents, and unfavorable with Democrats. Pretty much the opposite of Obama, although Obama is losing Independent support in droves. Hell, even moderate (normal) Democrats are bailing out on him.

  • redleaf

    The problem is that all-news cable networks no longer report news.
    They’re reporting opinion as news, even during their news hours.
    The stories they choose to cover and the angles they pursue in covering them disqualify much of their reporting as straight news.

    It used to be the following two were news headlines:
    1) Obama Signs Health Care Legislation
    2) Bush Pushes for Surge in Iraq

    Now those headlines have been replaced with what is basically:
    3) Socialist Closet Muslim Obama Destroys America with Horrible Legislation
    4) Neocon Hawk and Imperialist Former Drunk Bush Pushes Desperate Ploy to Save Disastrous War

    1 and 2 are news. They tell you, in a dispassionate manner, what is happening in America.
    3 and 4 are not news. They are opinion poorly disguised as news.
    But people can’t tell the difference anymore and they just watch whatever network confirms their political views.

    Now please tell me how much I hate America.

  • http://www.danzview.blogspot.com Eyepublius

    The GOP (mostly their “right”) loves to hammer the so-called MSM about being “leftist or in the bag” for the DEMS, etc. As for me, I beleive that is totally false (at least by the traditional media outlets) . . . FOX is the guiding light for the GOP-rightwing, and everyone with a brain knows that. The recent $1 million from Uncle Ruppy to the GOP is a prime example . . . the above story also underscores this premise.

    Anyone can listen to FOX for 10 minutes and figure out where they stand and with whom. It’s just like listening to Limbaugh for one day to clearly see where he stands and just how nasty and evil that prick is. That’s all well and good (from their perspective) but the hypocrisy surrounding their contention that only the MSM is biased is just that: hypocrisy. And it does not serve our overall national sanity one bit, either.

    ~ Dan Francis (Watertown, NY)

  • newzmaker

    Check out this video on O’Reilly’s website. Funny as heck. Spoof on people of color, at a Tea Party rally.

    http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=554&vid=-362382923585948620

  • redleaf

    I’m waiting for someone to admit they get their NEWS from thefoxnation.com
    Has anyone been on that site?
    My Lord, it’s an explosion at the hatred factory.
    There’s no disguising what they believe.
    And it’s actually tied directed to Fox.

  • newzmaker

    What’s the big complaint about Fox News? Fox News is the alternative to the politically correct liberal news channels, which are the rest of the channels. Besides, Rupert can spend his money how he chooses.

  • newzmaker

    I’ve been to Fox Nation. All the hatred is aimed at fringe left liberals. Big deal. Every nation on the planet hates the fringe left. The fringe left is in the same league as jihadists and deserve all the hatred.

  • redleaf

    thefoxnation is similar to hannity.com.
    It’s a repository for hatred of liberals and a place for conservatives to gather their arguments.
    But having a NEWS organization make a conscious decision to launch and maintain a website whose sole purpose is to gather headlines that bash one political party is wrong. Listen to what I’m saying before you spout off: A NEWS ORGANIZATION. You can say MSNBC.com leans left and surely many of its posters lean left. But MSNBC.com does not surf the web gathering anti-conservative stories and post them as news to exclusion of all other information. thefoxnation does that (so does foxnews.com, but to a lesser degree). If MSNBC decided to launch themsnbcnation.com that scoured the net gathering anti-conservative stories and posting them, that would also be wrong.

    Now please tell me how much I hate America.

  • newzmaker

    redleaf said:
    Now please tell me how much I hate America.

    But hating liberals is the natural order of things, in America. Our founding fathers never intended, for liberals to make it to US shores. Can’t you move to Europe and hate the US from there?

  • jukin3

    I love the smell of leftist journalist’s fear, it smells like victory.

    P.S. Is the nYT trying to underdo the price they got for newsweek?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ruth-Gretzinger/596613915 Ruth Gretzinger

    Eyepublius said:
    The GOP (mostly their “right”) loves to hammer the so-called MSM about being “leftist or in the bag” for the DEMS, etc. As for me, I beleive [SIC.] that is totally false. . . FOX is the guiding light for the GOP-rightwing, and everyone with a brain knows that. The recent $1 million from Uncle Ruppy [SIC] to the GOP is a prime example .

    Anyone can listen to FOX for 10 minutes and figure out where they stand and with whom….
    ~ Dan Francis (Watertown, NY)

    whereas you could watch MSNBC all day long and never be quite sure where THEY stand.

  • redleaf

    The difference is MSNBC’s daytime hours are straight news. They tell you what is happening in America at that moment.

    Fox’s daytime hours are opinions disguised as straight news. In the stories they choose to tell and the way their report those stories, they’re pushing a conservative agenda that leads into their primetime opinion hours.

    Again, there’s nothing wrong with opinion. MSNBC’s primetime is left-leaning opinion.Fox’s primetime is right-leaning opinion. It’s labeled as such and, therefore, O’Reilly, Olbermann, etc, have the right to spout their opinions to the heavens.

    It’s the news hours that should be sacred and held for straight reportage, not as surreptitious anti-left propaganda.

    Now please tell me how much I hate America.

  • dahni

    I’m willing to help send a lot of lanters to Carr and the NYT. however, we’ll all need pitchforks to clean out the current ‘stall dwellers’ in DC.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ruth-Gretzinger/596613915 Ruth Gretzinger

    not completely true, red. Bret Baier and Shepard Smith are on from 6-8pm, and neither one of them is “right-leaning”–in fact, many Fox watchers think Shep is a closet liberal. of course, you wouldn’t know that, not ever having actually WATCHED Fox.

    there’s another difference: Fox, the pretend news channel, has news shows all weekend long. MSNBC, the real news channel, has shows like “Bathed in Blood: the Rapists of Cuhahoga County” all weekend long.

    oh, and there’s another big difference: even the despised Beck and O’Reilly never go ad hominem like Schultz and Olbermann. it’s not even close. Beck and O’Reilly disagree with the liberals on issues; Schultz and Olby are vitriolic bully boys, motivated by personal hate (and probably a bit of jealousy) who truly seem to despise their opposition (i.e., 65% of the country).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ruth-Gretzinger/596613915 Ruth Gretzinger

    d’oh! CUYAHOGA. the y is very near the h.

  • dahni

    Redleaf: I don’t really think you hate America. You just post opinions based on the “credo ut intelligem” methodology.

  • fill32162

    Just understand Fox News is not Fair & Balanced because Kieth Olbermann told us it wasn’t > end of discussion.

  • TruthLovinFreedomLover

    Ruth Gretzinger said:
    many Fox watchers think Shep is a closet liberal.

    You are of course right, Ruth! Why when Shep said that maybe women who get abortions should receive jail time rather than be stoned to death, he was practically quoting from Marx!!

    Ruth Gretzinger said:
    Fox, the pretend news channel, has news shows all weekend long.

    True, again! Why, this weekend’s “Fighting for Our Children’s Minds” promises to be a completely objective look at the most pressing news items of the day.

    Ruth Gretzinger said:
    even the despised Beck and O’Reilly never go ad hominem like Schultz and Olbermann. it’s not even close. Beck and O’Reilly disagree with the liberals on issues

    Pre-cisely! Why, when O’Reilly calls someone “destructive to society” or a lunatic or terrorist, he means it in the most fact-filled, clinical way. Likewise, Glen Beck has never said a hurtful word about anyone.

    Ruth Gretzinger said:
    Schultz and Olby are vitriolic bully boys, motivated by personal hate (and probably a bit of jealousy) who truly seem to despise their opposition (i.e., 65% of the country).

    Yes, although I wish you would clarify whether that 65% refers to the over 195 million Americas who voted for our current President McCain or the 195 million who watch Fox News every night?

  • let-me-explainify…

    TfT – your comment is laughable nonsense. the media you criticize reports THE FACTS.
    something your UNFAIR & UNBALANCED FOX does NOT do.
    EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE THE GOP PROPAGANDA *SPIN* MACHINE.

    EVERYBODY KNOWS.

    so you can stop pretending it’s the other media vehicles who are biased, simply because they don’t LIE like fox

    LOOK AT ALL THE IGNORANT, HATEFUL, PEOPLE HERE WHO WATCH FOX.

    it’s NO COINCIDENCE you brainwashed faux ‘ewes’ are all so very misinformed, hateful & brain-washed! FOX sells themselves to their SHEEPLE as “Fair & Balanced”

    the reality is that they’re UNFAIR & UNBALANCED.

    they’re the *ONLY* media vehicle to go to an appeals court to overturn a fair ruling by the people (THANKS JEB BUSH!) to get the ‘ok’ to LIE & DISTORT the facts. how they have an FCC License is mind-boggling.

    “Appellate Court Rules Media Can Legally Lie.
    http://www.rense.com/general35/MEDIA.HTM

    Sharia Prince Owns Stake In FOX News Parent
    http://bigthink.com/ideas/22891

    ^ Fox News’ stake holder Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud has bragged about having stories pulled from faux ‘news’ that he didn’t personally approve of…

    Yep, fox ‘ewes’ xenophobes & bigots worship at an Arabian alter of lies daily! I wonder how many of Hannity’s, O’reilly’s & Becks racist watchers know this? Haha!

    The ties to blood tainted big oil keep everyone a big happy family.

    jon stewart ala glenn beck chalkboard conspiracy theory fashion shows how fox & the gop are linked –
    a straight line!!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/18/jon-stewart-glenn-beck-n_n_687162.html

    Fox News Doesn’t Mention News Corp’s $1 Million Donation To Republican Committee
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/18/fox-news-doesnt-mention-n_n_686570.html?ir=Politics

    Fox News – NOT so fair & balanced
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftVkbbMoBk&feature=player_embedded

    ^ 1 MILLION DOLLARS ($1,000,000) to RepubliCAN’TS!

    all these ignorant people here whining stupid lies about President Obama – when the reality is that FOX & the GOP are 1 & the same – WHO DO YOU THINK HAS BEEN LYING TO YOU EWES?

  • redleaf

    There’s a line from the film THE USUAL SUSPECTS that sums to Fox News perfectly: “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”

    Out there, right now, on American television, is a network whose sole purpose is to push a political agenda. And their fans have become very good at circling the wagons when they’re officially mouthpiece is attacked. If you ask the average Fox News viewer, they know the network is an outlet for Republican thought.
    They just don’t care. They like it and they want to protect it.

  • CAconservative

    Glynnis, Glynnis, dear heart. Your erroneous assumption that cable new was responsible for the Tea-Party movement is as silly as your article. That’s as silly as believing the original Tea-Party was under the influence of new agency with the supposed power of the cable industry. Occasionally, Ms.Glynnis, people get tired of being pissed on and they take it upon themselves to correct the injustice.

  • Pablo

    redleaf said:
    The difference is MSNBC’s daytime hours are straight news. They tell you what is happening in America at that moment.

    Yeah, right. Sure they do. Excepting Keith Morrison.

  • Morgan

    Glynnis said:> Perhaps what’s most striking about all these figures (Sarah Palin, arguably most of all) is how much disdain they show for the actual business of journalism.

    Or perhaps it’s as much as the journalists distain the actual business themselves.

  • http://none pyrope

    TfT said:
    Just one more story about the horrific actions of the democrats that Glynnis, Dan, et al IGNORE.

    Sometimes, one might get the notion that MediaLite would like to make non-liberal visitors go away so the left wing moon bats could have the site all to themselves and pat one another on the back for such a great job they are doing. Over the year, it has become painfully obvious that MediaLite is in the liberal tank (septic tank, that is), because I have YET to see a story reflecting the greatness of so many conservatives on this site. (The best so far was the glib observation that the Restoring Honor event was peaceful and the Mall was left clean by those who attended.) BUT, until MediaLite bars my posting commentary, I will be here.

  • http://none pyrope

    Morgan said:
    Or perhaps it’s as much as the journalists distain the actual business themselves.

    By and large, you are correct Morgan; “real” journalists are so rare these days, the profession has been corrupted by those with a slant…and it’s been that way for a long time! If you ask yourself why all but FOX are foundering (and I’m including once notabel print media), it is this: Rational people are hungry for the TRUTH, the rational thinker will seek out the TRUTH, and honor it with their custom.

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