Look I’m sick of the Nazi comparison as much as anyone else, because these comparisons do not help to solve the problem and are not entirely accurate. But they exist because there for good reason, as authoritarian societies are marked by such things as the rule of men in place of law, rigged elections, and control and support of the military to provide security to the system and to control society (SEE: PATRIOT ACT). The last 8 years of Bush II have been made distinct because of such things.

Love the guy that posted up the “200 lies of Chomsky” without even questioning the contents, most of what that PDF actually does is present Chomsky’s quotes out of context of the argument he is making, and provides a copy-pasted source that appears to be about the same issue and appears to be a direct refute of Chomsky, but completely misses because they’re not even grasping the full argument that Chomsky was making, or the refute does not in fact disprove Chomsky’s statements at all.

Let us observe one of them:

Chomsky: “There is very little serious criticism of the decisions that were made, let us say, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, when we did bring the world very close to total destruction in order to order to establish the principle that we have the right to have missiles on the boarder of the Soviet Union but they do not have the same right to have missiles on our boarder.”

The Refute: It was Cuba’s communists who wanted to start a nuclear war. Che Guevara said: “If the [Soviet nuclear] rockets had remained, we would have used them all and directed them all against the very heart of the United States, including New York.” Nikita Khrushchev wrote that according to Fidel Castro, “we needed to immediately deliver a nuclear missile strike against the United States…a proposal that placed the planet on the brink of extinction.” Fidel Castro admitted: “I would have agreed to the use of nuclear weapons …we took it for granted that it would become a nuclear war anyway, and that we were going to disappear.”

Now how to we debunk the refute? It’s really not that hard at all. First of all the Cubans did not want to start a nuclear war, that is completely false, what they wanted was for the US to not invade them.

Lets see the full context of these (and other) quotes from Che Guevara and Fidel Castro:

Che Guevara: “If the [Soviet nuclear] rockets had remained, we would have used them all and directed them all against the very heart of the United States, including New York, in our defense against aggression.”

Fidel Castro: “Now, we started from the assumption that if there was an invasion of Cuba, nuclear war would erupt. We were certain of that … we would be forced to pay the price, that we would disappear…. Would I have been ready to use nuclear weapons? Yes, I would have agreed to the use of nuclear weapons.”

You have to look at the situation for what it really was. You have to ask the question, “Why were Soviet nuclear missiles placed in Cuba?” The answer is not because they wanted to wipe out the United States, the answer is that they were doing it to defend their selves from the threat of US invasion.

Now Fidel Castro did say something about a preemptive nuclear attack on the USA, but here’s the thing: he neither had the codes to launch such an attack or the support of the Soviet Union or his Cuban allies to do so. I can’t find the whole quote offhand, it’s from a book called “Covering Castro” and it comes to light in a discussion with Nikita Krushchev, who led the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Castro was later embarrassed by the remarks and attempted to retract them, but regardless of his statement or desire to actually do such a thing, that was not why the Soviet Union brought the missiles to Cuba and Fidel Castro did not have the authority to order such an attack. The missiles were in the control of the Soviets and they brought them there as a defense against the threat of US invasion.

If someone else wants to take a swing at debunking Chomsky “Debunker” Paul Bogdanor, have at it.

Doing a google search for “Jewish persecution” I received results relating to many types of historical persecutions and controls against Jews from the the following countries: Germany, England, Belgium, France, Austria, Poland, Lithunani, Portugal, Prussia, Bavaria, Italy, Russia, Sweden, Hungary, Norway
, Switzerland – all of these related to some form of market manipulation or currency issues that a minority within the Jewish community “perpetrated” against the “host” country, which created a negative situation for all Jews in that country. Is Chomsky trying to parallel the modern day events of Madoff, Greenspan/Bernanke, Lehman, Bear Stearns … to the past market manipulations in other countries. Chomsky is surely approaching a very sensitive line, however with history in mind, and his reference to Weimer (Weimer inflation) – it is not clear whether he saying this market manipulation conspiracy is against the jews -OR- by the jews? Is his problem with the “right-wing” News Media their cover up and protection of criminals, strictly because they are Jews, and the fear to investigate, a product of not wanting the lable – anti-semite. Chomsky should clarify and next time not speak in generalities – after-all he is a linguist.

As the distinguished Canadian economist once said, “Faced with the choice between changing one’s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.” … John Kenneth Galbraith

The true elite’s divide and conquer strategy’s effectiveness is on full display as we try to out-trumpet or out- allcap (on the internet) each others beliefs, while the powers that be consolidate ever more of our treasure and their control.

Returning the money creation to the people is an impossibly complex nut to crack, especially given the hopelessness of ever getting our wholly owned corporate politicians to ever slit their own throat and change it (see health care reform).

Nonetheless, I enjoy reading constructive comments devoid of the childish name calling. Thanks!

The single most important thing that Americans need to know is that money creation is in the hands of a select cabal of elites who control this function through the private banking system. Money is not issued into the economy by the government but instead by private banks who use the deceit of the fractional reserve to profit from this fraudulent practice. If there is one thing that the American people must come to realize is that the fruits of our labors are being stolen from us under the guise of income taxes. We are lead to believe that these monies are being collected on our behalf by the government so as to pay infrastructure costs of our society. But this is not the case as most of the proceeds of this unjust tax go to pay interest charges on the “loans” that private banks issue to the government. These loans do not reflect any true transfer of monies, they are book keeping entries that come into existence once the banks have received the collateral of government issued bonds (debt pledges on behalf of the American people). These monies never existed before and do not reflect any true value. This is the sham of our banking system and it is this knowledge that these elites seek to keep hidden from the public. It matters not to them whether it is a Democrat or Republican who is in power as the results are always the same, a continuity of the existing system and an obfuscation of the true nature of the sham. It’s time for Americans to stop arguing amongst ourselves and wake up to the true nature of this deception that has been perpetrated on the unsuspecting public. Return money creation to the public so that the people do not incur the burden of usury the has been cast upon them. Solve this problem and America will return to the prosperous and free nation it once was.

Awwww, WE are totally devastated to hear this…

So Obama is a SOCIALIST is he???

He really should drop Social Security, VA care, etc., etc., etc., ALL Socialist programs paid for the goverment..

You could write a book on Chomskys bull#$@# in the last 40 years….oh look!…someone has…sourced and footnoted.

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf
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#2 I am quite positive the analogy isn’t as cut and dry as you nay-sayers would just -love- it to be. Germans at the time of Nazi Germany -were human beings just like you and I- and they were -convinced of things through methods we and Noam Chomsky alike would call “propaganda.” They were -not- all blood thirsty murderers, just as not all American military soldiers are (even if that is in their job description.) There -were- reasons for Hitler being able to point his finger at the Jews in the first place, EVEN IF they were morally bankrupt at the core, completely decrepit and reminiscient of something an Anti-Christ would commit. He took these reasons and abused them to unite his people in a single aim – exactly as Chomsky says. The analogy is that Americans are following suit to this same type of propaganda, and yes, this is certainly the case. If you are not aware of it, you have not paid enough attention. There is plenty of historical evidence supporting the claim that America is a giant, atrocity committing bully bent on subduing the entire world and instilling fear in it as well, and plenty of recent evidence as well. But there is no point in trying to convince individuals who have already decided their stance and are too hard-headed to ever try and even play devil’s advocate.

#3 Chomsky subscribes to moral anarchy, or more specifically, Bakunian anarchy and anarcho-syndicalism. I see numerous comments here labeling him a leftist, a marxist and a communist. If you’ve ever read Bakunin (I’m sure you haven’t) you know damn well there is a massive difference. Then again, you obviously haven’t read Noam Chomsky, as if you had, you wouldn’t have the capacity to make such blatantly ignorant accusations about his character and ability to reason, as your jaw would have dropped to the floor in incapacity to comprehend his -enlightening- words of wisdom. There is a reason Chomsky is well-respected throughout the world and voted the #1 intellectual. It doesn’t surprise me that a great number of Americans dislike him, as our education system is defunct and we no longer compete in the world arena with regards to academics (ergo, you have no capacity to understand what it is he is saying. You’d rather watch prime time television and football religiously.)

Agreed. It’s amazing to see how this entire thread turned into something proving Chomsky’s very point.