“…and that the “they” he was referring to was the Left, “the president’s base,” and not the administration.”

Does that really count as “walking it back?” How does that change anything?

Just another headline, that doesn’t quite reflect the actual story… eh?

“he was referring to was the Left, “the president’s base,” and not the administration. ”

What a dirtbag. Anything to distort the truth.

proud pander says:
June 26, 2010 at 10:28 am

And how is that “distorting the truth”?

@ImNotBlue: Colby’s just parroting a WaPo piece (by C&P all but one paragraph) and though the words are there, it may not be as obvious on the third repackage without additional context..

Anyway…

“…we were talking in the context of his political problems. He was talking about how they think that if we secure the border, you guys [Republicans] won’t have the incentive to work on comprehensive immigration reform.”

IOW: I interpret this to mean that the President believes the Congressional left may be holding border security hostage, while the initial firestorm seemed to say that the President was in the way.

BTW Colby: Sure, I just gave you a poke for cutting and pasting an entire WaPo blogpost save one paragraph, which you rephrased in your intro by using the text of the original quote. But I’d be remiss, if I didn’t point out that the Ms. Weiner had simply repackaged some National review reporting and while she put the emphasis on a different point than the more conservative blog, she didn’t include a link to the original piece. Instead, a reader felt obliged to link the source in the comments.

All of which comes a day after you, Colby, linked to an interview that Rachel (Sklar) did with her father and in the write-up about the setting, she linked to a previous piece that she had written for this website, where she questioned and tried to look for the limits of aggregation and attribution.

I just thought it ironic and worth noting.

Magister says:
June 26, 2010 at 10:45 am

But since the President is more or less beholden to the Congressional left… how is this any different?

Typical. A Conservative tells a lie and the Right Wing Media (mainstream as well) spreads it. Later they admit it was untrue, but the goal was achieved – filling the minds of right wingers with a false “fact” they can regurgitate as nauseum.

This has been the political strategy of Conservatives for years. I also notice the defenders of Kyl blindly glossing over the fact that Kyl TOLD THEM A BIG LIE! (Really, no one else who follows politics believed it was true except the right wing true believers) But I guess, after years of being lied to by their leaders, conservatives must have come to enjoy being taking advantage of by these frauds. I compare this conservative obedience to compusive liars with “battered wife syndrome”. They know they are in bed with a liar but who else, they reason, would have them?

@Colby: You know, I’d rather have the ability to edit than a thumbs-up, thumbs-down contest to see which side has more sock puppets, but to clarify… you C&Ped the entire WaPo piece and the WaPo posted without attribution. The “irony” is that in two steps, two blogs violated two different Rachel Sklar “rules”.

@ImNotBlue: There’s a difference in the President talking politics about the obstacles facing legislation in Congress and the President saying that he won’t propose, support or may potentially veto one thing, so that he can get another.

Now, perhaps the President’s crew isn’t pushing super-hard on the border issue and Congress isn’t feeling any pressure from the Arizona situation, but it seems that the administration has a full plate of policy on their own front-burner, especially since some people want him to drop everything and head to the Gulf with a wrench.

And as I noted previously, I’m seeing nothing to indicate that the current administration and Congress are doing anything less than has been done over the past several years on the border and in fact, without doing a full analysis myself, I have every reason to believe that they may be doing slightly more.

Jon Kyl backpedalling — and admitting he lied.

No film at 11 – no retraction by the neo Streichers and Goebbels of the am talk show circuit. The integrity void on the right is infinite.

@Bill Adkins: …and it went out in a Friday afternoon dump.

Mr. Kyl, you LIE!!!!!!!!!

Another Republican caught in a lie. It never ends. And the constant lies will cost them some of the seats they may have gained in November. From death panels, to birth certificates, to flip-flopping hypocrites McCain, Grassley, Alexander, et al… God, I could go and on and on, but the World Cup USA V. Ghana match starts in a bit and I need to get ready to party!

Magister says:
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@Bill Adkins: …and it went out in a Friday afternoon dump.”

Bill Adkins is a Monday-Sunday dump.

WOW, I always knew this administration had a HOLD on every person in the USA, I just didn’t now it was THIS strong. WHY can’t people tell things the “RIGHT”, not the DemocRatic way, instead of saying “it was taken out of context, whatever that means. This administration, MEANING the White House and Congress, seems to have unlimited control over Each one of us. How the heck, did that happen? Maybe it was all those communists that have lived here for years waiting for this man in the WH to come and take away our country? Oh, I wish there was someone who has the nerve, or whatever it takes, to get this administration to listen and do what the public wants. Is there no one? We have done the calling, faxing and E-mailing to NO avail. They do not intend to listen to anyone that does NOT agree with their plans. What else, can We the People do? Quoting the Constitution to Washington is just like a nice breeze going through. They do not intend to do anything WE want.

I read his comments. Twice. I don’t see how anything changed.

Kyl, why give BHO an out. He is the “left” and you said they didn’t want to do anything until they had comprehensive reform.

Well, this is what BHO’s spokesman said in response to your charge:

MR. BURTON: No, the President didn’t say that. Senator Kyl knows that the President didn’t say that. But what everybody knows because the President has made it perfectly clear is that what we need to do is everything that we can to bring about comprehensive immigration reform. And that includes not just securing the border, but doing a lot of other things.”

Bingo!

I see absolutely no switch in his position. Just another attempt here to placate Olbermann? There has been no change in his position, and you make a story where none exists.

Off topic: Who votes up spam? Seriously?

@TfT: It was Kyl himself, who told the National Review that his comments had been taken out of context and he wasn’t talking about the administration.

Oh, and Olbermann hates this place.
In fact, he won’t stop tweeting his disdain.

Amazes me he can’t just come out and say that Obama didn’t say it.

I mean, why are some people unable to just admit what EVERYONE ELSE CAN SEE?

Christ almighty

Every time a Republican lies Dick Cheney gets another heart attack.

It’s God’s way of keeping score..

Kyl lied and now he does not want ANYONE to have a chance to throw this in his face, he was taking an opportunity at a PARTISAN event to throw RED MEAT to the crowd and he got caught after the fact in a lie of his own manufacture.

Also it is now being hinted that he wants this to JUST GO AWAY because it is reminding people of OTHER TIMES he has been caught playing a little loose with the truth and the facts.

BTW: why are the SPAM posts not taken down?

I don’t feel that Kyl lied or that he was too far from the truth. Napolitano said that there is no need to wait for the border to be secured before passing immigration reform. There is talk the Obama administration are having talks behind the scene to determine if the Department of Homeland Security can bypass Congress and grant legal status on a mass basis to the illegals. That don’t sound legal. The enaction of Obama speaks volumes to me. He had signs installed in desolate places where there is heavy traffic due to the drug cartels. Those signs warning Americans that it wasn’t safe in that area. Will those signs keep anyone safe? Were the troops sent to wipe out the gangs of the drug cartels? No!! What does Obama do?? He sues the state of Arizona. What Obama and the Mexican president want is amnesty for the illegals and to make them legal, before the border is secured. Remember Obama did say that the US is not defined by it’s borders. So if they get what they want, we may have open borders.

Thomas G Williams says:

IS A COWARD LIB SHILL!

Kyl claimed that the president said it and now he sez he did not say it, there is noway for his comments to have been taken out of context or misconstrued

AND YOU ARE DOING A HEY LOOK AT ALL THESE RUMORS AND TELL ME I AM WRONG THING.

There is no provision of law that allows the MILITARY to go shoot CIVILIANS just because you want them to, the enforcement of law is for law enforcement to do, WAR is the business of the military and your just spewing incoherent gobbledegoop and we do in fact have a border that can be crossed both ways by anyone legally crossing them, if we had a closed border NOTHING OF ANY KIND CROSSES IT, know of what ye speak or be seen as the fool you are.
No I will not waste anymore time on your foolishness and partisan idiocies.

And just so you know I DO NOT WANT ANYONE WHO CROSSED THE BORDER ILLEGALLY TO HAVE A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP, for some they can convert to the already provided for by law RESIDENT ALIEN STATUS and others will have to go home or seek another country to enter as they have proven they will NOT contribute to a lawful society and for some who give ten or more years of MILITARY service they can go after citizenship AFTER they are out of the military, and their kids BORN here are citizens and as we already have laws for that we just have to get a process to identify, document and sort those who are here in to the STAY WITH RESTRICTIONS and GO WITH YOUR FELONY RECORD groups, some of those will end up getting to stay with restrictions as they have not re-offended since being released years ago others need to be out as soon as possible.

“The president said the problem is if we secure the border, then you all won’t have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform. I n other words, “they’re “holding it hostage.”

Where did he say BHO said he was holding AZ hostage, you withe the 2nd grade reading comprehension?

The CIA probably threatened him with his life for going against Obummer.

I guess the moral of the story is, when you think anyone who disagrees with you is “evil,” all it takes a is an outrageous headline for you to assume you understand the story. Of course, if any of the angry left above bothered to read the story, and answer the simple question of, “What’s different,” they’d probably find themselves a lot less angry.

Kyl didn’t change his story, he didn’t lie, and he’s not walking anything back. Sorry guys… read the story, and you’ll understand.

Blue so not, be fair: There is tape of what he said. There are the statements made by HIS people about it. There are statements made by the White House about it, and then he CLAIMS it was taken out of context and his RE-CASTING of the comments NOW make the point that he lied and he got caught and EVERYONE knows what he is doing is called DAMAGE CONTROL and no one in his party is defending him, at least none of the almost legitimate ones are and the others are going LIGHT in the week support they have given.

Notice that this is not an issue dogging the White House it is DOGGING HIM and HE IS REACTING TO IT.

And your right he is not walking it back HE is showing that for him it is an OMG I CAN NOT BELIEVE I WAS THAT STUPID PLEASE JUST MAKE IT GO AWAY moment.

Thomas G Williams says:
June 27, 2010 at 9:41 pm

Blue so not, be fair: There is tape of what he said. There are the statements made by HIS people about it. There are statements made by the White House about it, and then he CLAIMS it was taken out of context and his RE-CASTING of the comments NOW make the point that he lied and he got caught and EVERYONE knows what he is doing is called DAMAGE CONTROL and no one in his party is defending him, at least none of the almost legitimate ones are and the others are going LIGHT in the week support they have given.

What did he lie about? What’s different? It seems to me, that he’s correcting a pronoun that the media thought meant one thing, when he actually meant something else. However, the two are remarkably similar (the Obama Administration, versus congressional Democrats… the difference being?). So where’s the “lie?”

Notice that this is not an issue dogging the White House it is DOGGING HIM and HE IS REACTING TO IT.

How is it dogging him, exactly? And of course it’s not dogging the White House. Those in the press agree with the White House’s position on it… so why would they push any harder than they need to?

And your right he is not walking it back HE is showing that for him it is an OMG I CAN NOT BELIEVE I WAS THAT STUPID PLEASE JUST MAKE IT GO AWAY moment.

I’ll ask again… for the third time… what’s different? What was the lie? How does this help Obama and the Democrats, when the message remains the same?

Face it, Tom… it’s a dodge from the left. They don’t want to talk about the issue, so they’ll make this about Kyl. They’ll pretend he said something different, and that way they don’t have to address the issue itself. The less the left talks about immigration (for now), they better off they are. The majority of the country doesn’t like the amnesty they want, so unless Obama gets a second term (or is clearly going to lose re-election), they’re not going to push the issue too hard… otherwise, they could lose the middle… and right now, that’s too risky.

Sorry buddy… just because you call it a lie, doesn’t make it so. Gotta explain yourself.. if you can.

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Blue he has gone from *THE PRESIDENT SAID to *taken out of context in reference to his remarks (it was not, watched the tape myself) to *the context of my remarks meant something else to *I meant his liberal base (remember started with THE PRESIDENT SAID) to now *its taken a bit out of context to the remarks and he has now changed the words of what he says was said.

COME ON BLUE!!
Whats next ? Is he gonna say:
“I have no independent recollection of being there I must have been drugged by liberal socialist commie sympathizers to damage my reputation and I do not believe I was alone with the President when those or any comments were made I am having my staff investigate and may make a referral to the AG for a special prosecutor to determine who has been impersonating me while i was in un-disclosed captivity “

Does it mean Senator Kyle that you probably misrepresent the truth.

Thomas G Williams says:
June 28, 2010 at 3:11 am

Blue he has gone from *THE PRESIDENT SAID to *taken out of context in reference to his remarks (it was not, watched the tape myself) to *the context of my remarks meant something else to *I meant his liberal base (remember started with THE PRESIDENT SAID) to now *its taken a bit out of context to the remarks and he has now changed the words of what he says was said.

The problem is… he never said “the President said,” in reference to what you think he did. It’s simply not how it happened.

Kyl said the President said “We” referring to the left, Democrats, his party, and his Administration. Folks who interpreted his comments decided who the “we” was. But either way… whether it’s the “we” as in the Administration,” or the “we” as in all of the Democrats… the story doesn’t change. It’s still the same message!

“I have no independent recollection of being there I must have been drugged by liberal socialist commie sympathizers to damage my reputation and I do not believe I was alone with the President when those or any comments were made I am having my staff investigate and may make a referral to the AG for a special prosecutor to determine who has been impersonating me while i was in un-disclosed captivity ”

Read the story Tom… understand the comment. Stop making stuff up. Nobody but those who want to believe are buying this nonsense. It’s a distraction… a “stop talking about that, and talk about this” tactic so you can avoid the actual problem, which is that the left has no intention of securing the border. The attempt couldn’t be more transparent.

Kam Fet says:
June 28, 2010 at 1:27 pm

Does it mean Senator Kyle that you probably misrepresent the truth.

Being that nothing has changed… no misrepresentation is present… at all.