The historian that NPR interviewed said she was basically right and all the journalists bashing her were wrong. It amazes me that all these talking head personalities and liberal hate mongers never bothered to actually talk to a historian and instead only relied on their childhood memories of a poem about Paul Revere that was misinformation.

Today Rush had audio of a history guy on NPR affirming that Palin was right about Paul Revere. It’s unlikely the conclusion was was what NPR was aiming at.

It was embarrassing to read the Leonard Pitts article this morning when he showed he didn’t know the history of Paul Revere all while bashing Palin and the rest of America for not knowing their history.

You beat me to it

She was right about Paul Revere… historians agree…

broader point:
intellectual media elites detest her because she is not grammatically gifted… many of us are not…

PB,
you could use this “factual relativism” argument of yours for MM Global Warming or economic policies… your “settled” science is anything but…
look at the deficit and tell me that makes “factual” sense on any level…

Full disclosure: not necessary. You’re a columnist on Mediaite, so it’s pretty obvious where you stand.

Facts the Left routinely ignore:
the sun heats the Earth…
a $1.6T annual deficit is ruinous…

At some point, America, we’re going to need to grow up.

Physician, heal thyself. Facts are facts. Palin’s were in order. All of this hubub smacks of nothing more than “I can’t possibly be dumber than Sarah Palin, so she must have been right on accident.”

Being Certain Doesn’t Make You Right

True. It’s being right that makes you right. Ask Andrew Breitbart.

“Think Warren Buffet is a liberal? He’s not – his father was a Republican Congressman from Nebraska – but there’s a reason you think he is”

Buffet IS A LIBERAL. just b/c his father was a republican, doesn’t make him one. H CLinton’s father was a republican, so does that make HRC one?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/27/AR2007062700097.html

Still going after Palin’s Paul Revere remark? Good grief….

Numerous historians – including some from the area who specialize in his contributions, as well as the guy that NPR had on – are agreeing with her, but, hey, what do they know? Phillip Bump over at Mediatite says she was wrong, so by golly, wrong she must be.

Why are you still on Palin’s one sentence comment when Weiner lied to you and your colleagues over and over? Just wondering, but one would think your righteous indignation would be reserved for deliberate malfeasance instead of vaugely debatable historical references.

But then, maybe someone from the left is drawing too much fire. So….HEY – LOOK!!! OVER THERE!!! SARAH PALIN!!!!

You guys are pathetically predictable.

heck greygoose, hillary was once a “goldwater girl”…but the point here, is that this writer p bump is a moron and he made it quite clear just how much of an idiot he is in the above…quite a good illustration of how deluded all these lefties are

Where’s the part where you explain why she was wrong?

“Revere became a regular messenger to help the revolutionary cause. He rode to Concord, Massachusetts, on April 16, 1775, to tell patriots to move their weapons. Two days later he took that historic ride to Lexington to inform the people that British troops would soon be there.”
http://www.biography.com/articles/Paul-Revere-192838

Revere did in fact tell the British that the colonial militias, who had been alerted, were waiting for them. Here is the original historical text written by Revere: http://tinyurl.com/3kkk77y

“This account in “Paul Revere’s Ride” by David Hackett Fischer (Oxford University Press 1994), may be of interest to all the others laughing because they purport to be so much better informed than Palin”:
“A townsman remembered that ‘repeated gunshots, the beating of drums and the ringing of bells filled the air.’…. Along the North Shore of Massachusetts, church bells began to toll and the heavy beat of drums could be heard for many miles in the night air.” http://tinyurl.com/3fj4bce

Phil, you are wrong, Sarah was right. Please stop before you dig your hole any deeper. I wish she had expanded on the black man who also rode that night and did’t get caught by the lobster-backs

sarainitaly said:
Where’s the part where you explain why she was wrong? “Revere became a regular messenger to help the revolutionary cause. He rode to Concord, Massachusetts, on April 16, 1775, to tell patriots to move their weapons. Two days later he took that historic ride to Lexington to inform the people that British troops would soon be there.”http://www.biography.com/articles/Paul-Revere-192838 Revere did in fact tell the British that the colonial militias, who had been alerted, were waiting for them. Here is the original historical text written by Revere: http://tinyurl.com/3kkk77y “This account in “Paul Revere’s Ride” by David Hackett Fischer (Oxford University Press 1994), may be of interest to all the others laughing because they purport to be so much better informed than Palin”:“A townsman remembered that ‘repeated gunshots, the beating of drums and the ringing of bells filled the air.’…. Along the North Shore of Massachusetts, church bells began to toll and the heavy beat of drums could be heard for many miles in the night air.” http://tinyurl.com/3fj4bce

Its been proven over and over that Palin was right (just ask the NPR historian,) howeer, to admit that fact would mean that Sarah Palin is smarter than the average liberal: from Bill Maher to Al Sharpton. So, to cover up for their “inadequacies,” they just ignore fats and reason.

Fact: You Bumped up on this one Philip. Warren Buffet says he is a liberal himself and always funds their candidates. Palin disorder even shows up on this article. Hey making up stories may get you a job at NY Times so good luck.

Opinions Rum Amok : Including Yours

You know how Sarah Palin said Paul Revere warned the British? Well, he did. Now, who looks stupid?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/sarah-palin-says-paul-revere-warned-the-british.html

How Accurate Were Palin’s Paul Revere Comments?
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/06/137011636/how-accurate-were-palins-comments-on-paul-revere

“Stumbling over her words in an inconsequential video is not one of them. Pretending that’s what she meant to do is – and is symptomatic of one of the most significant challenges we as Americans face in solving increasingly alarming problems.”

What do you call it when the Left and Liberal media makes this a big story and focuses on it, for days? Never explaining why she was wrong, or *correcting her*, just bashing her?

I had friends on FB post the CNN clip and write “Sarah Palin is a f*cking idi*t!!!!” I asked them to tell me why she was wrong, and no one could….

GreyGoose said:
Its been proven over and over that Palin was right (just ask the NPR historian,) howeer, to admit that fact would mean that Sarah Palin is smarter than the average liberal: from Bill Maher to Al Sharpton. So, to cover up for their “inadequacies,” they just ignore fats and reason.

No offense, but Pain’s smarter than Maher and Sharpton combined. Using those two as reference points kinda makes you look insane. Just saying.

“The fallen nature of man is exhibited when we assert moral relativism in connection with our own behavior and moral absolutism in connection with the behavior of others.” Mike S. Adams

WCinWI said:
No offense, but Pain’s smarter than Maher and Sharpton combined. Using those two as reference points kinda makes you look insane. Just saying.

Point taken

Philip Bump said:
But there is one concrete, indisputable fact: she tried to riff on Paul Revere and messed up.

Hold on- wouldnt that be in your OPINION? How can that be a FACT?

I understand what the point you are trying to make here Phil- but what you are saying is not a “concrete indisputable fact” at all- in FACT the source of the quote herself disputes what you are saying, making it actually in dispute quite a bit!

To use your quote, just because you, PHILIP BUMP, are certain, doesnt make YOU right. This is just another clever way to write a hit piece on Palin.

Only Sarah Palin knows the truth. Philip Bump doesnt KNOW anything. But since Palin can’t “riff on Paul Revere and mess up” without it being the top news story of the day, I think she has the right to also defend herself.

Until the day comes when Sarah Palin can mess up as badly as saying there are 57 states, (which is as egregious an error as they come- 100x the ‘error’ of this) and get the same reaction from the media as Obama got for saying it (which was basically nothing), then maybe you can write a piece like this.

“Of course, Revere was in fact trying to warn John Hancock and Samuel Adams about the approaching British army. And he didn’t rely on bells. He was on a covert mission. Had he used bells, or had he warned the people with whom America was at war, Palin’s tour bus might have chugged through the northeast on the left side of the road.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/06/sarah-palin-offers-her-own-version-of-paul-reveres-midnight-ride.html

Intercepted and surrounded by British soldiers on his way from Lexington to Concord, Revere revealed “there would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the country all the way up,” he wrote.
Revere was probably bluffing the soldiers about the size of any advancing militia, since he had no way of knowing, according to Joel J. Miller, author of “The Revolutionary Paul Revere.” And while he made bells, Revere would never have rung any on that famous night because the Redcoats were under orders to round up people just like him.

“He was riding off as quickly and as quietly as possible,” Miller said. “Paul Revere did not want the Redcoats to know of his mission at all.”
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/06/05/palin_i_didnt_mess_up_paul_revere_history/?page=full

Think Warren Buffet is a liberal? He’s not – his father was a Republican Congressman from Nebraska – but there’s a reason you think he is. Because he’s calling out misinformation and specious reasoning, and the people who that impacts take offense.

Speaking of misinformation and specious reasoning, go on over to OpenSecrets.org, look up Warren Buffet and tell us who he and his wife have given all of their political contributions to. Then go say hello to this guy.

Harry Flashman said:
Still going after Palin’s Paul Revere remark? Good grief….

Democrat congressmen are propositioning little girls on the internet and the far left loons are more worried about something Palin did or didn’t say..I thought they just wanted to talk about the economy?

PB’s not biased, is he? LOL!

Warren Buffet is a Republican?

You might want to let him know that.

He’s donated a lot of money to Harry Reid, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Arlen Specter, Bob Kerrey, Chris Dodd, Pat Moynihan, Bob Dole, Russ Feingold , Bill Bradley, Dick Durbin, Wesley Clark NEBRASKA DEMOCRATIC STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE (D), DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE (D)

GreyGoose said:
“Think Warren Buffet is a liberal? He’s not – his father was a Republican Congressman from Nebraska – but there’s a reason you think he is”

Buffet IS A LIBERAL. just b/c his father was a republican, doesn’t make him one. H CLinton’s father was a republican, so does that make HRC one?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/27/AR2007062700097.html

YEP, and Chris Matthews’s family are Republicans!

Pablo said:
Speaking of misinformation and specious reasoning, go on over to OpenSecrets.org, look up Warren Buffet and tell us who he and his wife have given all of their political contributions to. Then go say hello to this guy.

LOL!

WCinWI said:
No offense, but Pain’s smarter than Maher and Sharpton combined. Using those two as reference points kinda makes you look insane. Just saying.

When we look at the vile hatred towards Palin, it makes me question the roots of this unhealthy hatred. It stems from the fact that Palin reminds liberals (especially men) aout how much they’ve been emasculated by liberalism. Liberals see it wrong to win in competitions, fight wars, play dodge ball, hunt, fish, thrive independently and take care of your families. These things are associated with manhood (and Palin resonates all these traits), so when Palin comes on the scene, she reminds them that they have been made enuchs by the Dem Party elites

Philip Bump points out that he doesn’t like Palin and this article proves that as a hit piece. More over he makes this sexist by comparing Sarah Palin to a beauty queen. Really Mediaite? Are you going the way of Wonkette now?

How about comparing Palin’s gaffe to Obama’s or even Biden’s and how they handled them?

“Instead, the longtime pathologies and weaknesses of Sarah Palin are still with us. It’s been three years since she stumbled over Katie Couric’s question about what she typically reads. In its aftermath, much of the conservative media was complicit in permitting her the excuse that it was a gotcha question by the “lamestream media.” So no surprise that Sarah Palin is now claiming, after a questionable statement about Paul Revere’s midnight ride, that the media is to blame. “A shout out, gotcha kind of question was asked of me,” she said. Here is the actual question she was asked: “What have you seen so far today, and what are you going to take away from your visit?”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/06/sarah-palin-and-the-soft-bigotry-of-low-expectations/240035/

ModerateMan says:
The historian that NPR interviewed said she was basically right and all the journalists bashing her were wrong. It amazes me that all these talking head personalities and liberal hate mongers never bothered to actually talk to a historian and instead only relied on their childhood memories of a poem about Paul Revere that was misinformation.
…………………………………
The journalists were wrong? True, it doesn’t matter much if she was wrong! What does make a difference is that the “teas” will do or say “anything” to make her right! Morals….spin! I thought NPR was only liberal radio! Palin said “Revere” ran bells, ( the prof. said no, as a child) fired shots (he said no) warned the British ( again no) he gave her one point in an indirect way, that was it! Why not just donate money to her when she makes a mistake (s), it would be vey costly, but it wouldn’t be so silly, instead of grasping at straws and spin, spin, spin!

Philip Bump wrote:

Sarah Palin has many flaws. Stumbling over her words in an inconsequential video is not one of them. Pretending that’s what she meant to do is – and is symptomatic of one of the most significant challenges we as Americans face in solving increasingly alarming problems.
___________________________________________________________________

It’s GREAT that historians agree with her!

How about doing research before you spout off and spew your Liberal bias?

What is wrong about this post is that the Pail Revere incident was not just another case of word salad for Sarah. It is already challenging as many of us know for her to repeatedly construct English correctly. She almost always mispronounces or misuses a few words in an interview.
However this was less the matter of controversy here. She completely “messed up” her interpretation of history as Chris Wallace noted on Sunday. She got the facts wrong. Paul Revere was not warning the British nor was he ringing bells or concerned about the second amendment which didn’t even exist at the time of course.
The worst part about this whole saga is that it perfectly illustrates Sarah Palin’s dysfunctional basis of reality. She can interpret events how she pleases. The truth is according to what she believes not objective facts. She cannot accept a failing even a very minor one such as flubbing a historical event. She can never be responsible for her own actions.The blame and focus is always redirected at someone else very often the persecuting media as in this case. Lastly, she clearly knows very little about American history which reminds the observer of what Steve Schmidtt, McCain’s campaign manager, stated upon spending a little time with her, that she knows “absolutely nothing.”
If these traits of her character do not raise the hair on your neck then I worry about your expected qualifications of a public leader. The majority of Americans are steadfastly opposed to making Sarah Palin president. There are real, substantive reasons behind their dismissal of her. This Paul Revere mess is just one new example that illustrates so well her lack of qualifications to be a public leader.

GreyGoose said:
When we look at the vile hatred towards Palin, it makes me question the roots of this unhealthy hatred. It stems from the fact that Palin reminds liberals (especially men) aout how much they’ve been emasculated by liberalism. Liberals see it wrong to win in competitions, fight wars, play dodge ball, hunt, fish, thrive independently and take care of your families. These things are associated with manhood (and Palin resonates all these traits), so when Palin comes on the scene, she reminds them that they have been made enuchs by the Dem Party elites

I think she also sends a message to feminist liberal women that they don’t need to be frumpy in order to be successful. She’s been my candidate of choice for awhile, but I’m also in the category of “I’ll vote for anyone BUT Obama” except for Ron Paul. I like her on principle alone. I’m in my mid-to-upper 20s and count myself as fairly educated (B.S., M.A.). I think the movie on her will change a few minds. Not tons, but some newbies will come to the fold. Soon it will be “cool” to say out loud instead of fear of retribution that you might be de-friended and so on, that you like Palin. Just wait. :)

He’s not – his father was a Republican Congressman from Nebraska

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Using PB’s logic Obomber is a muslim, right? Actually, children born to muslim parents are muslim. Republican children born to Republican parents, not so much. Oh well.

If I ever go to court, I want the opposing council to be Philip Bump.

His definition of ‘concrete indisputable facts’ would be laughed out of the courtroom.

Few of us are sholars on american history, but if you care about it like Palin does, interesting significant details manage to sink in.
Palin has a parsing problem when she speaks, and over enunciates words that should be contractions, it is uncomfortable to listen to. I will vote for her as I would any republican including Elmer Fudd. I will be pleased if she hangs back inspiring Americans as is her calling, but would prefer the President have english down pat.

“Stumbling over her words in an inconsequential video is not one of them.”

You should do a piece about the amount of coverage the liberal media gave the episode, and their snarky attitude about something so “inconsequential”.

“Remember what Miss South Carolina did when she had a similar moment a few years back? She owned it. She laughed it off, got a do-over and earned a ton of admiration.”

I remember when Obama did it about every day for the last few years.

WHarropson said:
but would prefer the President have english down pat.

Corpsmen?

sarainitaly said:
You know how Sarah Palin said Paul Revere warned the British? Well, he did. Now, who looks stupid?http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/sarah-palin-says-paul-revere-warned-the-british.html How Accurate Were Palin’s Paul Revere Comments?http://www.npr.org/2011/06/06/137011636/how-accurate-were-palins-comments-on-paul-revere “Stumbling over her words in an inconsequential video is not one of them. Pretending that’s what she meant to do is – and is symptomatic of one of the most significant challenges we as Americans face in solving increasingly alarming problems.” What do you call it when the Left and Liberal media makes this a big story and focuses on it, for days? Never explaining why she was wrong, or *correcting her*, just bashing her? I had friends on FB post the CNN clip and write “Sarah Palin is a f*cking idi*t!!!!” I asked them to tell me why she was wrong, and no one could….

Simple: He never said “The British were coming! The British were coming!” as Sarah said he did. Part of his “ride” was not to warn the British, he merely used this after his capture to try to intimidate his captors. In fact, he did not even have much of a ride, as it was Dawes who completed the warning, since Revere was captured early on.

Sarah is inarticulate and her slip ups just show how much.

BTW concerning Palin’s trip to the UK:

“Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts,”

That is what Thatcher’s people are saying. Google it!

What’s worse — being completely ignorant and IN DENIAL of one’s own ignorance (“I know that I don’t know, but I won’t admit that I don’t know”), or being ignorant and completely ignorant of one’s own ignorance (“I really don’t know that I don’t know”)?

jim bronson 990cc said:
Simple: He never said “The British were coming! The British were coming!” as Sarah said he did. Part of his “ride” was not to warn the British, he merely used this after his capture to try to intimidate his captors. In fact, he did not even have much of a ride, as it was Dawes who completed the warning, since Revere was captured early on.

Nice to see you progs focusing on the economy. ;)

WHarropson said:
Few of us are sholars on american history, but if you care about it like Palin does, interesting significant details manage to sink in.
Palin has a parsing problem when she speaks, and over enunciates words that should be contractions, it is uncomfortable to listen to. I will vote for her as I would any republican including Elmer Fudd. I will be pleased if she hangs back inspiring Americans as is her calling, but would prefer the President have english down pat.

I think what’s important to me is to expect that as human beings, we all are imperfect. Therefore, I walk into supporting X candidate and supporting “flaws”. That’s the problem with Obama. Everyone thought he had no flaws because he went to Ivy League schools. However, he’s displayed his own gaffes and his ineffectiveness and for that, I can overlook Palin’s flaws and understand when an Independent thinks that she said something out of place. On principle, she’s been right with her overall leadership as it applies to actual governance though so I overlook the flaws. I want a leader. Plain and simple.

WCinWI said:
Soon it will be “cool” to say out loud instead of fear of retribution that you might be de-friended and so on, that you like Palin. Just wait. :)

The demonic mob, don’t belong in your friended list.

Ever wonder who out there could actually make a worse president than Prima Donna Palin?

Harlod Camping. Yes even Palin beats Camping. Harold Camping and the nuclear football, are you kidding? Harold will actually be able to predict Armageddon and get it right for the first time in his career. Major props to you Palin, your better Presidental timber than Camping. Barely.

Jaurez said:
Corpsmen?

How about at least knowing what year it is?

WCinWI said:
I think she also sends a message to feminist liberal women that they don’t need to be frumpy in order to be successful. She’s been my candidate of choice for awhile, but I’m also in the category of “I’ll vote for anyone BUT Obama” except for Ron Paul. I like her on principle alone. I’m in my mid-to-upper 20s and count myself as fairly educated (B.S., M.A.). I think the movie on her will change a few minds. Not tons, but some newbies will come to the fold. Soon it will be “cool” to say out loud instead of fear of retribution that you might be de-friended and so on, that you like Palin. Just wait. :)

I do not think you should be de-friended for thinking Palin is “cool”, but i do believe Seroquel,
Abilify, or even lithium should be looked into.

Nature Freak said:
Sarah is inarticulate and her slip ups just show how much.

BTW concerning Palin’s trip to the UK:

That is what Thatcher’s people are saying. Google it!

Rush already debunked this already. And he’s hung out with Thatcher. Nice try. :)

Nature Freak said:
Ever wonder who out there could actually make a worse president than Prima Donna Palin?

Harlod Camping. Yes even Palin beats Camping. Harold Camping and the nuclear football, are you kidding? Harold will actually be able to predict Armageddon and get it right for the first time in his career. Major props to you Palin, your better Presidental timber than Camping. Barely.

I bet Palin can at least spell you’re, unlike you. :) Oh but I do find it rich that you bring up Camping. As if anyone took him seriously. Apparently you did since you’re giving him so much respect. Good to know that you’re now into conspiracies.

GreyGoose said:
When we look at the vile hatred towards Palin, it makes me question the roots of this unhealthy hatred. It stems from the fact that Palin reminds liberals (especially men) aout how much they’ve been emasculated by liberalism. Liberals see it wrong to win in competitions, fight wars, play dodge ball, hunt, fish, thrive independently and take care of your families. These things are associated with manhood (and Palin resonates all these traits), so when Palin comes on the scene, she reminds them that they have been made enuchs by the Dem Party elites

I think that your statement is a perfect example of the problem PB is introducing. I have heard professional partisans (Savage prime among them) make the same argument in the past. While operating as a clever partisan frame, it is an argument devoid of evidence. “Liberals” are a category too large to be caught by your complaints. “Liberals” operate as coaches and athletes at all level of competition, soldiers have returned from battle overseas and entered political office as Democrats and we also hunt, fish, thrive and take care of our families. You seem to confuse rhetoric with broader reality.

WCinWI said:
Rush already debunked this already. And he’s hung out with Thatcher. Nice try. :)

*Only need already, not two. :)

WCinWI said:
How about at least knowing what year it is?

Then there’s that. ;)

WHarropson said:
The demonic mob, don’t belong in your friended list.

WH, some people need serious help, even if they are a demonic crowd. You need to be compassionate towards them. NAMI is there for the Palinbots.

Greg said:
I think that your statement is a perfect example of the problem PB is introducing. I have heard professional partisans (Savage prime among them) make the same argument in the past. While operating as a clever partisan frame, it is an argument devoid of evidence. “Liberals” are a category too large to be caught by your complaints. “Liberals” operate as coaches and athletes at all level of competition, soldiers have returned from battle overseas and entered political office as Democrats and we also hunt, fish, thrive and take care of our families. You seem to confuse rhetoric with broader reality.

No. Liberals are trash. In the state of WI, in our Capitol today, LIBERALS (college students) dressed up as zombies outside of a Special Olympics event. Be proud Libs. Own your mob tactics. It will taste that much sweeter when you are defeated in 2012.

WCinWI said:
LIBERALS (college students) dressed up as zombies outside of a Special Olympics event.

That’s really sick.

The right must engage a new enemy: no longer should they rail against moral relativism; they must now inveigh against factual relativism. Many would argue that the left must do the same; I suspect many will do so in the comments below.

“Many” will argue… but not YOU… right Mr. Bump. THAT is a FACT I am confident in.

WCinWI said:
ature Freak said:
Ever wonder who out there could actually make a worse president than Prima Donna Palin?
Harlod Camping. Yes even Palin beats Camping. Harold Camping and the nuclear football, are you kidding? Harold will actually be able to predict Armageddon and get it right for the first time in his career. Major props to you Palin, your better Presidental timber than Camping. Barely.

Oops! I hate when I do that!
I sometimes forget that when I go on one of my diatribes I need to especially cross my t’s and dot my i’s so to speak.

“you’re better Presidential timber”

WCinWI said:
No. Liberals are trash. In the state of WI, in our Capitol today, LIBERALS (college students) dressed up as zombies outside of a Special Olympics event. Be proud Libs. Own your mob tactics. It will taste that much sweeter when you are defeated in 2012.

You are demonstrating a level of fundamentalism that is add odds with the democratic impulse and the practice of Republican government. Such fundamentalism will eventually fracture the right and guarantee the possibility of electoral success… good luck with that.

Rewrite…

You are demonstrating a level of fundamentalism that is at odds with the democratic impulse and the practice of Republican government. Such fundamentalism will eventually fracture the right and guarantee the end of electoral success… good luck with that.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/06/sarah-palin/was-trash-talking-british-part-paul-reveres-ride/

http://factcheck.org/2011/06/palins-twist-on-paul-revere/

Greg said:
You are demonstrating a level of fundamentalism that is at odds with the democratic impulse and the practice of Republican government. Such fundamentalism will eventually fracture the right and guarantee the end of electoral success… good luck with that.

are you “certain” that you are “right” in that “opinion”?

TheEagle said:
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/06/sarah-palin/was-trash-talking-british-part-paul-reveres-ride/
http://factcheck.org/2011/06/palins-twist-on-paul-revere/

you have unintentionally proved the misguided point of this post…

certainty does not make one right… the truth makes one right… and Palin was right..

Did someone at Mediaite think there was a shortage of Palin bashers? NewsFlash!!

.

WCinWI said:
No. Liberals are trash. In the state of WI, in our Capitol today, LIBERALS (college students) dressed up as zombies outside of a Special Olympics event. Be proud Libs. Own your mob tactics. It will taste that much sweeter when you are defeated in 2012.

Those are not liberals, they are communists masquerading as Democrats. And some of them do not even attempt to hide their Marxist-Leninist-Maoist ideologies.

There used to be quite a lot of liberals in the Democrat Party. The radicals have been driving them out of the party since the 1970s. Not too many remain. (I was going to say, “not too many are left”, but all who remain are “Left”)

How about the Palin Bachmann feud?

Palin supporters sure seem to be getting a little unhinged about Ed Rollins (he may have the past couple hours somewhat apologized but still.)
Ha Ha!

Ed Rollins would be a blast to go to a bar with and get nice and buzzed. He is a character.

Politics can be the art of war. I give Palin credit, she has a seriously devoted group of devotees. You have to have some talent and charisma to do that. But Palin has great difficulty going out of her comfort zone. This is one of her failings. To expand her base she is going to have to start stepping on hostile turf and persuade others. I have been wrong before but I do not think Palin has it in her.

skoorbekim said:
you have unintentionally proved the misguided point of this post…

certainty does not make one right… the truth makes one right… and Palin was right..

Sure she was. I saw the bell that Revere rang on display in Philadelphia.
“Listen my children and you shall hear,
Of the Midnight ride of Paul Revere.
With rings on his fingers,
And bells on his toes
He’s warning the British, Wherever he goes.”

(Thank you to the Charlotte Observer)

Greg said:
You are demonstrating a level of fundamentalism that is add odds with the democratic impulse and the practice of Republican government. Such fundamentalism will eventually fracture the right and guarantee the possibility of electoral success… good luck with that.

No, WCinWI is responding rationally to the strategies which the Lefties have used since 1917. You think there is still room for a moderate inside the Democrat Party.. but there isn’t. Oh, they want your vote, but they don’t want your opinion. Inside the Democrat Party, the only debate is a modern version of the Stalin v Trotsky dispute.

So which are you, Greg? A Stalinist or a Trotskyite? If neither one, then why are you still hanging out with the totalitarians?

Nature Freak:

Another “oops” for you:

Ed Rollins is already backing off that comment.

Oops.

Nature Freak said:

Bachmann has nearly cemented herself losing re-election and if Rollins isn’t fired by the end of the week, she will no longer have status with the Tea Party. It’s a simple process. Politics is brutal and Bachmann trying to play as a Romney plant isn’t going to work.

Harry Flashman said:
Nature Freak:

Another “oops” for you:

Ed Rollins is already backing off that comment.

Oops.

Actually, I think he’s just digging himself in deeper. He needs to be cut off or Bachmann accepts his statements as true.

J Baustian said:
Those are not liberals, they are communists masquerading as Democrats. And some of them do not even attempt to hide their Marxist-Leninist-Maoist ideologies.

There used to be quite a lot of liberals in the Democrat Party. The radicals have been driving them out of the party since the 1970s. Not too many remain. (I was going to say, “not too many are left”, but all who remain are “Left”)

The Tea party / conservative right people tend to think they are in the late 60′s and early 1970′s
Nuance and complexity can bother their black and white lives.
Politics are different on the left, if the far right was correct Kucinich would have been the Democratic nominee.
And even among “liberals” views can be very different. Illegal immigration is one example.
We do not live in a black and white world, but forums such as this encourage black and white thinking, sometimes by their very nature. And even I fall for it sometimes.
I do love stinging satire I admit.

There is something to be said for good old fashion face to face reasonably friendly debate in a coffee house.

Nature Freak said:

Until there’s a day where law schools accept students based on merit instead of skin color, we will live in a black and white world. It’s as simple as that.

Politics is different on the Left because you’re mobs that are rude. I’ve witnessed it. You can’t get much more low than standing outside a Special Olympics event as a zombie. You really shouldn’t defend them. It’s YOUR Party that predominantly got this nation into debt. Work on that.

WCinWI said:
Actually, I think he’s just digging himself in deeper. He needs to be cut off or Bachmann accepts his statements as true.

I think Bachmann knows very much what she is doing. Distinguishing herself from Palin and moving slightly more to the left politically to appeal to some moderate conservative types. If both palin and Bachmann really are running this may be a good plan in the short term for Bachmann. In the long term it could create unity problems.

Palin supporters need to realize this is what primaries are all about for any major party. Battles happen and Palin is not exempt. It may even be good for Palin as it will sharpen her skills.

Philip, if Palin ever admitted she made a mistake, these people’s head would explode.

Stupid people need leaders that never back down, never admit mistakes. They need leaders that don’t know the meaning of humility, to them, that is a sign a weakness.

Nature Freak said:
I think Bachmann knows very much what she is doing. Distinguishing herself from Palin and moving slightly more to the left politically to appeal to some moderate conservative types. If both palin and Bachmann really are running this may be a good plan in the short term for Bachmann. In the long term it could create unity problems.

Palin supporters need to realize this is what primaries are all about for any major party. Battles happen and Palin is not exempt. It may even be good for Palin as it will sharpen her skills.

There is a line that no remotely serious political campaign wants to cross, but so far Rollins statements seem to be your regular intra party primary squabbling. As the song goes, Same as it ever was…Same as it ever was……

There have been rumors about bad blood between Palin and Bachmann that is pretty deep. This may explain something as well.

J Baustian said:
No, WCinWI is responding rationally to the strategies which the Lefties have used since 1917. You think there is still room for a moderate inside the Democrat Party.. but there isn’t. Oh, they want your vote, but they don’t want your opinion. Inside the Democrat Party, the only debate is a modern version of the Stalin v Trotsky dispute.

So which are you, Greg? A Stalinist or a Trotskyite? If neither one, then why are you still hanging out with the totalitarians?

Neither. I find your assertion an absurdity… the very question is an example of the fundamentalism I just identified.

WCinWI said:
Until there’s a day where law schools accept students based on merit instead of skin color, we will live in a black and white world. It’s as simple as that.

Politics is different on the Left because you’re mobs that are rude. I’ve witnessed it. You can’t get much more low than standing outside a Special Olympics event as a zombie. You really shouldn’t defend them. It’s YOUR Party that predominantly got this nation into debt. Work on that.

Hum……….
I’m curious…I’ve read a lot of your comments on this thread..(irony anyone?)..and I’m wondering….
Do you realize that you never make a logical argument? That all you do is calling people names like a child?
And if you realize what you’re doing then what’s your point?
Were you born stupid or did you have extensive training?
Are you just a plain hater and proud of it?
This isn’t a sandbox you know…try to grow up a little

WCinWI said:
Until there’s a day where law schools accept students based on merit instead of skin color, we will live in a black and white world. It’s as simple as that.

Politics is different on the Left because you’re mobs that are rude. I’ve witnessed it. You can’t get much more low than standing outside a Special Olympics event as a zombie. You really shouldn’t defend them. It’s YOUR Party that predominantly got this nation into debt. Work on that.

Time to flush, WC, you are full again.
National Debt at end of fiscal year:
9/81 $1,14Trillion (Carter)
9/93 $4.4Trillion (Reagan/Bush I )
9/01 $5.8Trillion (Clinton)
9/09 $11.9Trillion (Bush II)
6/11 $14.3Trillion Obama)

Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 5Trillion under Democratic Presidents.
Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 9.3Trillion under Republican Presidents.

WORK ON THAT!

Glackin said:
(Thank you to the Charlotte Observer)

your “certainty” required the Charlotte Observer…

my “certainty” will cite the NPR and Boston Herold interviews with Amer historians…

Palin was right in using the info she had just received at that historical site to answer a reporter’s question…

speaking of poems:
Palin makes you mad
and that makes me glad…

Glackin said:
Time to flush, WC, you are full again.National Debt at end of fiscal year:9/81 $1,14Trillion (Carter)9/93 $4.4Trillion (Reagan/Bush I )9/01 $5.8Trillion (Clinton)9/09 $11.9Trillion (Bush II)6/11 $14.3Trillion Obama) Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 5Trillion under Democratic Presidents.Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 9.3Trillion under Republican Presidents. WORK ON THAT!

certainty out of wack again…
check your figures… and while you are at it, your premises…

Didn’t Bachmann realize that having a hothead political advisor like Henry Rollins was going to create some problems?

Nacho said:
Philip, if Palin ever admitted she made a mistake, these people’s head would explode. Stupid people need leaders that never back down, never admit mistakes. They need leaders that don’t know the meaning of humility, to them, that is a sign a weakness.

Palin is a m0r0n and your comment is not so smart either.

Nature Freak said:
I think Bachmann knows very much what she is doing. Distinguishing herself from Palin and moving slightly more to the left politically to appeal to some moderate conservative types. If both palin and Bachmann really are running this may be a good plan in the short term for Bachmann. In the long term it could create unity problems.

Palin supporters need to realize this is what primaries are all about for any major party. Battles happen and Palin is not exempt. It may even be good for Palin as it will sharpen her skills.

Primaries hasn’t even started. Bachmann just toasted herself. Shortest campaign EVAH.

Nature Freak said:
There is a line that no remotely serious political campaign wants to cross, but so far Rollins statements seem to be your regular intra party primary squabbling. As the song goes, Same as it ever was…Same as it ever was……

Except the Republican Party isn’t one that intra party fights until you get to Primary season. As I said, Bachmann just toasted herself. Bachmann’s support that she did have goes to Pawlenty.

WCinWI said:
Primaries hasn’t even started. Bachmann just toasted herself. Shortest campaign EVAH.

*haven’t

Bennybombom said:

I’m sorry that I work in facts. It’s called Literalville. Sorry you haven’t visited. :)

Glackin said:
Time to flush, WC, you are full again.
National Debt at end of fiscal year:
9/81 $1,14Trillion (Carter)
9/93 $4.4Trillion (Reagan/Bush I )
9/01 $5.8Trillion (Clinton)
9/09 $11.9Trillion (Bush II)
6/11 $14.3Trillion Obama)

Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 5Trillion under Democratic Presidents.
Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 9.3Trillion under Republican Presidents.

WORK ON THAT!

Thanks for proving that liberal politicians have contributed to our debt.

Nature Freak said:
Didn’t Bachmann realize that having a hothead political advisor like Henry Rollins was going to create some problems?

Yes. Which is why she’s a stalking horse for Romney. This is gonna piss Rove & Romney off because it’s going to explode on their end of the political spectrum. Oh and Dick Morris too. It’s quite fun to watch the formation of a 3rd Party.

http://pa4palin.blogspot.com/2011/06/sarah-palin-record-of-fiscal_523.html

TheEagle said:
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/06/sarah-palin/was-trash-talking-british-part-paul-reveres-ride/

http://factcheck.org/2011/06/palins-twist-on-paul-revere/

Experts back Sarah Palin’s historical account

You betcha she was right!

By Chris Cassidy
Monday, June 6, 2011 – Updated 2 days ago

In fact, Revere’s own account of the ride in a 1798 letter seems to back up Palin’s claim. Revere describes how after his capture by British officers, he warned them “there would be five hundred Americans there in a short time for I had alarmed the Country all the way up.”

Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”

Patrick Leehey of the Paul Revere House said Revere was probably bluffing his British captors, but reluctantly conceded that it could be construed as Revere warning the British.

“I suppose you could say that,” Leehey said. “But I don’t know if that’s really what Mrs. Palin was referring to.”

McConville said he also is not convinced that Palin’s remarks reflect scholarship.

“I would call her lucky in her comments,” McConville said.

Meanwhile, the state’s Democratic Party held a thin blue line on the issue, insisting on mocking Palin despite a brief historical review of the matter. State party chairman John Walsh wise-cracked that the region welcomes all tourists, even those with “an alternative view of history.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2011_0606you_betcha_she_was_right_experts_back_palins_historical_account

Nature Freak said:
Didn’t Bachmann realize that having a hothead political advisor like Henry Rollins was going to create some problems?

He’s a TOTAL RINO and a BIG MISTAKE for her!

WCinWI said:
Except the Republican Party isn’t one that intra party fights until you get to Primary season. As I said, Bachmann just toasted herself. Bachmann’s support that she did have goes to Pawlenty.

Huh? What country are you talking about dude?
I was talking about the Republican and Democratic parties in the United states.
My mood is too chill now to argue and go for the jugular, but you are wrong. The people behind the scenes (or organization) behind any presidential wanna be have always postured and argued for their candidates well before the official process begins. BTW, for much of American history the action was at district and state conventions as primaries did not exist.

You need to learn more about the American political system. It may shock you. There is a long history of nature red and tooth and claw preceding voting for a party candidate. Another difference is what happened in Vegas doesn’t stay in Vegas anymore. Battles are more visible to the general public due to a 24 hr news cycle.

Didn’t Bachmann realize that having a hothead political advisor like Henry Rollins was going to create some problems?

juan said:
He’s a TOTAL RINO and a BIG MISTAKE for her!

The dude from Black Flag is a RINO?

Damn!
Henry Rollins is a Liar Liar Liar!
Go back to spoken word Henry!

Glackin said:
Time to flush, WC, you are full again.National Debt at end of fiscal year:9/81 $1,14Trillion (Carter)9/93 $4.4Trillion (Reagan/Bush I )9/01 $5.8Trillion (Clinton)9/09 $11.9Trillion (Bush II)6/11 $14.3Trillion Obama) Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 5Trillion under Democratic Presidents.Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 9.3Trillion under Republican Presidents. WORK ON THAT!

Republicans presidents held 20 of the last 34 years, so its not really an even comparison.

Maybe a per year average would be more apt, and Obama’s per year average is record setting, there is no close second.

Even Bush in his worst year was around 400 billion. Obama has had trillion plus deficits his first two years in office, with no end in sight, thanks to his supporters who evade the truth and distort the facts by touting BS numbers like you do here.

skoorbekim said:
your “certainty” required the Charlotte Observer…

my “certainty” will cite the NPR and Boston Herold interviews with Amer historians…

Palin was right in using the info she had just received at that historical site to answer a reporter’s question…

speaking of poems:
Palin makes you mad
and that makes me glad…

If you read the BH, one said she “got lucky with her mistake.
The other is a right-wing hack.

BarneyFranken said:
Republicans presidents held 20 of the last 34 years, so its not really an even comparison.

Maybe a per year average would be more apt, and Obama’s per year average is record setting, there is no close second.

Even Bush in his worst year was around 400 billion. Obama has had trillion plus deficits his first two years in office, with no end in sight, thanks to his supporters who evade the truth and distort the facts by touting BS numbers like you do here.

Quit moving the goalposts. WC was wrong in what she said. Live with it.

To Sarah Palin, “hi how are you?” is a shout out gottcha question.

Glackin said:
Quit moving the goalposts. WC was wrong in what she said. Live with it.

While we are at it, the “BS” figures are from the US Treasury Dept.
Are you the illegitimate offspring of WC and Juarez?
You are quick to defend both.

skoorbekim said:
certainty out of wack again…
check your figures… and while you are at it, your premises…

You can’t hack the US treasury like it was wikipedia.

huntingtonboy said:
To Sarah Palin, “hi how are you?” is a shout out gottcha question.

I wish you were exaggerating, but you’re not.
To Sarah Palin, the very concept of having a free press in any country Sarah is politically active in is a “gotcha” question.

Palin uber alles 2012

Glackin said:
Quit moving the goalposts. WC was wrong in what she said. Live with it.

Who?

I dont know WC, but I do know your post was factually challenged. Your lame attempt to deflect that only proves I destroyed you.

Your numbers are skewed, and Obamas per year deficits are record setting, so he owns this debt.

Unfortunately, we all have to live with that.

juan said:
He’s a TOTAL RINO and a BIG MISTAKE for her!

Juan, it was a joke.

At some point, America, we’re going to need to grow up.

I admire your efforts, but I’ve been saying this for a long time and it’s folly with the crowd you’re talking to.

I have posted this before, but Bat Boy of Weekly World News fame would make a better president than Palin (as long as his bat parent was a natural born bat, I will have to check Vattel’s Law of Nations on this one).

BarneyFranken said:
Who?

I dont know WC, but I do know your post was factually challenged. Your lame attempt to deflect that only proves I destroyed you.

Your numbers are skewed, and Obamas per year deficits are record setting, so he owns this debt.

Unfortunately, we all have to live with that.

Factually challenged? By whom? With what?
Why don’t YOU go to treasurydirect.gov/ reports/histdebt/.
Or, do you only believe it if Sarah says it?

Glackin said:
Factually challenged? By whom? With what?
Why don’t YOU go to treasurydirect.gov/ reports/histdebt/.
Or, do you only believe it if Sarah says it?

Little boy, the only you’ve destroyed is your cover.
I will no longer bother you with facts, as you aren’t bothered with them.

WCinWI said:
Until there’s a day where law schools accept students based on merit instead of skin color, we will live in a black and white world. It’s as simple as that. Politics is different on the Left because you’re mobs that are rude. I’ve witnessed it. You can’t get much more low than standing outside a Special Olympics event as a zombie. You really shouldn’t defend them. It’s YOUR Party that predominantly got this nation into debt. Work on that.

don’t worry, there, WC.
you can still totally apply for and get into Regents, Bob Jones, Univ. Utah or BYU. they don’t really like women, but they also don’t really like those with lots of pigment in their skin tone, either.

you can totally get lower than standing outside of a Special Olympics event as a Zombie – you can be Gov. of that state and remove a picture of african american low income kids in your neighborhood (http://patrickhenrypress.info/node/416943)

The media is obsessed with this woman, bowing Brian has reported on this three nights in a row! No bow to the US Troops killed in action, but bowing Brian has time to trash Sarah.

You folks inthe liberal media will make anything she says an issue, whether there is an issue or not. Except of course, if she called navy corpsmen “corpse men”or stated she had been to 57 states, then you would have ignored her, right?

pathtic with your PDS and Philip, we know you don’t like her, who at mediaite does? She is pro-life, conservative, Christian woman….not the kind of individual that the mediaite staff go for.

The author is right. We all need to grow up. Quit pitting ourselves against one another and figure out this mess together.

TfT said:
The media is obsessed with this woman, bowing Brian has reported on this three nights in a row! No bow to the US Troops killed in action, but bowing Brian has time to trash Sarah.

You folks inthe liberal media will make anything she says an issue, whether there is an issue or not. Except of course, if she called navy corpsmen “corpse men”or stated she had been to 57 states, then you would have ignored her, right?

pathtic with your PDS and Philip, we know you don’t like her, who at mediaite does? She is pro-life, conservative, Christian woman….not the kind of individual that the mediaite staff go for.

You really seem to be kind of a whiner.

TfT says:
The media is obsessed with this woman, bowing Brian has reported on this three nights in a row! No bow to the US Troops killed in action, but bowing Brian has time to trash Sarah.

You folks inthe liberal media will make anything she says an issue, whether there is an issue or not. Except of course, if she called navy corpsmen “corpse men”or stated she had been to 57 states, then you would have ignored her, right?
…………………………………..
The media is obsessed with this women! Mouth shut, “no coverage,” correct statements, “no coverage!” The “teas”
are obsessed with defending a moron and don’t want to admit backing an empty space! NPR didn’t support all of her clueless claims! Revere, no guns, no bells, no British warning! NPR gave one weak half hearted point of support! (just listen to the tape) the rest has been “tea” sites of their own support! History hasn’t supported her. You want to talk about obsessed… when all you’ve got over and over again is 57 and corpse men to her dozens of gaffs, you don’t have much!

Nature Freak said:
Didn’t Bachmann realize that having a hothead political advisor like Henry Rollins was going to create some problems?

Ed Rollins, not Howard Rollins, who was a terrific actor in films like Ragtime and A Soldier’s Story, and the long-running TV series In the Heat of the Night.

Palin is the most visible symbol of the cancer that has been eating at the Republican party and this country for years.
Either you are aware and understand what I am saying or you don’t. If you are aware then I need not explain and if you are not you are probably just so filled with hate and fear and ignorance that it would be a waste of time to explain it..
I hope she gets the nomination., Either America will get rid of this cancer or America will embrace it and it will destroy us. Either way its time for a showdown and either way this country will get what it deserves!

Vietnameravet said:
Palin is the most visible symbol of the cancer that has been eating at the Republican party and this country for years.Either you are aware and understand what I am saying or you don’t. If you are aware then I need not explain and if you are not you are probably just so filled with hate and fear and ignorance that it would be a waste of time to explain it..I hope she gets the nomination., Either America will get rid of this cancer or America will embrace it and it will destroy us. Either way its time for a showdown and either way this country will get what it deserves!

lol

juan said:
Experts back Sarah Palin’s historical account

You betcha she was right!

By Chris Cassidy
Monday, June 6, 2011 – Updated 2 days ago

In fact, Revere’s own account of the ride in a 1798 letter seems to back up Palin’s claim. Revere describes how after his capture by British officers, he warned them “there would be five hundred Americans there in a short time for I had alarmed the Country all the way up.”

Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”

Patrick Leehey of the Paul Revere House said Revere was probably bluffing his British captors, but reluctantly conceded that it could be construed as Revere warning the British.

“I suppose you could say that,” Leehey said. “But I don’t know if that’s really what Mrs. Palin was referring to.”

McConville said he also is not convinced that Palin’s remarks reflect scholarship.

“I would call her lucky in her comments,” McConville said.

Meanwhile, the state’s Democratic Party held a thin blue line on the issue, insisting on mocking Palin despite a brief historical review of the matter. State party chairman John Walsh wise-cracked that the region welcomes all tourists, even those with “an alternative view of history.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2011_0606you_betcha_she_was_right_experts_back_palins_historical_account

“But Palin’s comment clearly suggests that one of Revere’s aims that night was to warn the British. It was not. His aim — in his own words — was solely to warn Samuel Adams and John Hancock of British troop movement. We rate Palin’s comment Barely True.”
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/06/sarah-palin/was-trash-talking-british-part-paul-reveres-ride/

“Sarah Palin’s much-ridiculed story of Paul Revere isn’t entirely wrong, but it’s badly twisted….But Revere makes no mention of specifically “warning” the British against trying to seize arms. In fact, the Americans moved most of the arms before Gen. Gage’s troops could find them.”
http://factcheck.org/2011/06/palins-twist-on-paul-revere/

Sockybombom said:
That all you do is calling people names like a child?
And if you realize what you’re doing then what’s your point?
Were you born stupid or did you have extensive training?
Are you just a plain hater and proud of it?

hypocrisy anyone?

Nature Freak said:
BTW concerning Palin’s trip to the UK:

“Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts,”

That is what Thatcher’s people are saying. Google it!

I did. You are quoting an anonymous source from The Guardian. Here is what an actual aide to Lady Thatcher said:
“Nowadays, the Lady rarely meets people at all. If a meeting went ahead it would be very much low-key, and would very much depend on how things were on the day. We don’t make firm appointments for this sort of meeting.”

Mrs Thatcher is not well, and did not attend a recent birthday reception for her held at 10 Downing Street.

Oops, forgot to provide a reference for the official Thatcher response (not the bogus one):
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sarah-palin-unlikely-to-get-an-audience-with-margaret-thatcher-2293856.html

Sarah Palin will never be commander-in-chief. However, she will always be victim-in-chief.

Nothing like beginning an article by stating you dislike the person you’re reporting on.

“Being Certain Doesn’t Make You Right”

Philip, are you quite sure of that?

You Philip are a moron and this is a poorly writen article.

So Buffets not a liberal because his father was a republican? Ever hear of David Horowitz? He’s a brilliant hard core conservative and his parents were literaly communist. Not saying anything either way about Buffet, just an example of how you write unsupported nonsense.

“Many would argue the left must do the same.” This line blew my mind. Are you delerious? The only shot in hell that you had was to put everyone in the same tent from the get go. It really crossed your mind to actually write this article with the mind set that your preaching to the American right? Holy cow bro your a clown.

I guess it wouldn’t strike you as it does me if you agree with these people but any sincere bipartisan mind that viewed the left on this site could only agree that is the left, much more then the right, that needs to “grow up.”

Did you catch the guest on NPR, I didn’t get his name, that commented on Palins Revere episode? If you actually really need it, looking at this article of yours I guess you do, he details quite well the context of the q/a and how Palin was overwhelming right. You lefties put yourselves in an embarrassing position. Her pithy comment was in regards to an enormous event that involves several aspects and was written about by many people over many years. So she’s got wiggle room if needed but she was right anyway.

So you guys just put your foot in it and cant win either way. And being a liberals nature, you just cant let it go so you keep on trying to argue what cant be won and wind up constantly looking dumb. Quite amazing you came up with this moronic synopsis for the Palin/Revere q/a. LOL!

Harry Flashman said:
Still going after Palin’s Paul Revere remark? Good grief…. Numerous historians – including some from the area who specialize in his contributions, as well as the guy that NPR had on – are agreeing with her, but, hey, what do they know? Phillip Bump over at Mediatite says she was wrong, so by golly, wrong she must be. Why are you still on Palin’s one sentence comment when Weiner lied to you and your colleagues over and over? Just wondering, but one would think your righteous indignation would be reserved for deliberate malfeasance instead of vaugely debatable historical references. But then, maybe someone from the left is drawing too much fire. So….HEY – LOOK!!! OVER THERE!!! SARAH PALIN!!!! You guys are pathetically predictable.

Harry, everyone here has been right so far but yours is just brilliant.

sarainitaly said:
Where’s the part where you explain why she was wrong? “Revere became a regular messenger to help the revolutionary cause. He rode to Concord, Massachusetts, on April 16, 1775, to tell patriots to move their weapons. Two days later he took that historic ride to Lexington to inform the people that British troops would soon be there.”http://www.biography.com/articles/Paul-Revere-192838 Revere did in fact tell the British that the colonial militias, who had been alerted, were waiting for them. Here is the original historical text written by Revere: http://tinyurl.com/3kkk77y “This account in “Paul Revere’s Ride” by David Hackett Fischer (Oxford University Press 1994), may be of interest to all the others laughing because they purport to be so much better informed than Palin”:“A townsman remembered that ‘repeated gunshots, the beating of drums and the ringing of bells filled the air.’…. Along the North Shore of Massachusetts, church bells began to toll and the heavy beat of drums could be heard for many miles in the night air.” http://tinyurl.com/3fj4bce

This would have been a great post with just the first sentence Sara. Just like the rest of the embarrassing hard to read left on here, he throws his 2 cents without a word or explanation as to why. So farcicle it’s amazing.

remember when philip bump said it was a fact the weiner pic was a fraud…

BarneyFranken said:
If I ever go to court, I want the opposing council to be Philip Bump. His definition of ‘concrete indisputable facts’ would be laughed out of the courtroom.

LMAO!!

Nature Freak said:
Ever wonder who out there could actually make a worse president than Prima Donna Palin? Harlod Camping. Yes even Palin beats Camping. Harold Camping and the nuclear football, are you kidding? Harold will actually be able to predict Armageddon and get it right for the first time in his career. Major props to you Palin, your better Presidental timber than Camping. Barely.

Hard to say being though she’s not and never has been president. Geez guy what were you thinking? And what about her makes her a prima donna?

J Baustian said:
Those are not liberals, they are communists masquerading as Democrats. And some of them do not even attempt to hide their Marxist-Leninist-Maoist ideologies. There used to be quite a lot of liberals in the Democrat Party. The radicals have been driving them out of the party since the 1970s. Not too many remain. (I was going to say, “not too many are left”, but all who remain are “Left”)

Liberals supported the commies during the cold war as they do islamic extremist today. And the commies knew it then as the jihadis know it today. So to anyone who’s gonna play dumb, a preemptive “GO F@*& yoursleves!

Nature Freak said:
How about the Palin Bachmann feud? Palin supporters sure seem to be getting a little unhinged about Ed Rollins (he may have the past couple hours somewhat apologized but still.)Ha Ha! Ed Rollins would be a blast to go to a bar with and get nice and buzzed. He is a character. Politics can be the art of war. I give Palin credit, she has a seriously devoted group of devotees. You have to have some talent and charisma to do that. But Palin has great difficulty going out of her comfort zone. This is one of her failings. To expand her base she is going to have to start stepping on hostile turf and persuade others. I have been wrong before but I do not think Palin has it in her.

And here for a phenominal example of liberal desperation……………..

In a similar story, i’m snacking on junior mints while watching the Stanley Cup.

Sam M. said:
You really seem to be kind of a whiner.

No, he seems to be kinda absolutely right.

jddoubleu said:
remember when philip bump said it was a fact the weiner pic was a fraud…

That’s not what he said:

In this case, Rep. Weiner readily admitted that his account had been hacked. That being the case, there would be no need to forge the screenshot. If the image had never appeared on Weiner’s account, he could prove that in other ways – contacting the image host, etc. He admits that the image could possibly have been on his account, meaning that the DailyKos’ analysis is moot. There was no reason to fake such a screenshot.

In final analysis – the screenshot posted by Big Government shows an image that appears to have been posted to Weiner’s image hosting account. It’s worth noting, too, that this is entirely consistent with what Weiner has said all along.

Vietnameravet said:
Palin is the most visible symbol of the cancer that has been eating at the Republican party and this country for years.Either you are aware and understand what I am saying or you don’t. If you are aware then I need not explain and if you are not you are probably just so filled with hate and fear and ignorance that it would be a waste of time to explain it..I hope she gets the nomination., Either America will get rid of this cancer or America will embrace it and it will destroy us. Either way its time for a showdown and either way this country will get what it deserves!

The only thing considered cancerous within the republican party would be what we deem to be RINO’s, which Palin is the opposite of. Which would make your toughts, if i’m understanding them right, quite communist.

TfT said:
The media is obsessed with this woman, bowing Brian has reported on this three nights in a row! No bow to the US Troops killed in action, but bowing Brian has time to trash Sarah.

You folks inthe liberal media will make anything she says an issue, whether there is an issue or not. Except of course, if she called navy corpsmen “corpse men”or stated she had been to 57 states, then you would have ignored her, right?

But there’s a BIG PROBLEM with your assertion.

Did Obama misspeak by saying “corpse men” or saying he had visited “all 57 states”? Sure he did. And he’s made an additional flub here and there as well.

BUT…he’s also owned to things as well, which earns him points with the public.

And to be fair, on the flip side, look at George Bush. He was constantly saying something wrong or using a wrong word…but again, he would shrug it off and actually LAUGH AT IT, which showed he had a good personality. He had the ability to say “Yeah, I guess I screwed that sentence up, huh?” And as a result, even though it made for good late night comedian fodder, it still earned Bush points WITH THE PUBLIC because — again — everyone could see him messing up…then see him owning up to it…and then mutually everyone could laugh it off.

But Palin is a whole other story.

Her ego is SOOOOO bloated, she can NEVER laugh anything off.
And therein lies the reason that she’s popular ONLY with the Tea Party, but with the public AT LARGE her poll numbers are in the toilet. And its because she’s such an ego maniac…so unwilling to EVER admit doing anything wrong…that she likewise TURNS OFF moderate Independents (like myself) to such and OVERWHELMING degree that she could NEVER win a national election again.

But does that stop her from going out and pimping herself more? Of course not — because the woman’s an ego-driven media whore, who is only interested in making money and milking her Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame for as long as she can. Which EVERYONE can now see through, and that’s why — again — her true political life of ever holding an ACTUAL office is over.

Because no one with a functioning brain would EVER trust this woman being in actual power again.

She’s a BLIGHT on the Right.
And she’s intellectually an embarrassment to any school she attended.
She really needs to go away and soon.

New SarahPac video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tIr3szA360&feature=player_embedded#at=19

I am very happy to see so many commenters here who did some research into what the historians had to say about Palin’s Paul Revere remark. I was very surprised to see an article here at Mediaite to the contrary.

Jaurez said:
Nice to see you progs focusing on the economy. ;)

Not the issue, but thanks for playing.

Glackin said:
Time to flush, WC, you are full again.National Debt at end of fiscal year:9/81 $1,14Trillion (Carter)9/93 $4.4Trillion (Reagan/Bush I )9/01 $5.8Trillion (Clinton)9/09 $11.9Trillion (Bush II)6/11 $14.3Trillion Obama) Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 5Trillion under Democratic Presidents.Over the last 30 years, the debt has increased $ 9.3Trillion under Republican Presidents. WORK ON THAT!

Fact: Your off on your figures compared to debt clock.

http://images.ask.com/fr?q=debt%2Bmade%2Bby%2Bpresidents+chart&desturi=http%3A%2F%2Fjeffmilner.com%2F2005%2F10%2Funited-states-national-debt.htm&initialURL=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.ask.com%2Fpictures%3Fq%3Ddebt%252Bmade%252Bby%252Bpresidents%2Bchart%26qsrc%3D8%26o%3D0%26l%3Ddir&fm=i&ac=519&fsel=2&ftURI=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.ask.com%2Ffr%3Fq%3Ddebt%252Bmade%252Bby%252Bpresidents%2Bchart%26desturi%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fjeffmilner.com%252F2005%252F10%252Funited-states-national-debt.htm%26imagesrc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fstatic.flickr.com%252F31%252F48200292_9b92e59fc7_m.jpg%26thumbsrc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmedia3.picsearch.com%252Fis%253FLvfs9NVoeeSMrvu1YXL13m98TlgdB7utz-a8R-RLOiU%26o%3D0%26l%3Ddir%26thumbuselocalisedstatic%3Dfalse%26thumbwidth%3D128%26thumbheight%3D87%26fn%3D48200292_9b92e59fc7_m.jpg%26imagewidth%3D240%26imageheight%3D164%26fs%3D16%26f%3D2%26fm%3Di%26fsel%3D2%26ftbURI%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.ask.com%252Fpictures%253Fq%253Ddebt%25252Bmade%25252Bby%25252Bpresidents%252Bchart%2526page%253D1%2526o%253D0%2526l%253Ddir%2526pstart%253D0&qt=0

I thought it was the left that was crazily obsessed with Sarah Palin. But when I look through the comments here…….

@Philip Bump: You really need to read your own article headline about “certainty”. What’s so incredibly annoying to me is that people like you have this certitude that what she said was wrong, even when time after time after time again it’s been demonstrated on this website that she was absolutely right on the issue of “arms”, and plausibly right on the question of Revere warning the British.

But do you actually do any research yourself? No. You just come here, make some kind of statement, and essentially say “my way or the highway”. Well, I’ve got a newsflash for you: You couldn’t be more wrong. Here again are the historical references. When can we expect your retraction?

1. “On Sunday April 16, Dr. Joseph Warren sent Revere to Lexington to warn John Hancock and Samuel Adams of the possibility of their arrest and to Concord to alert the population and the militia that they were coming to disarm them.”

Source: http://www.paul-revere-heritage.com/midnight-ride.html

2. “On the night of April 18–19, 1775, just hours before the battles of Lexington and Concord, Revere performed his “Midnight Ride”. He and William Dawes were instructed by Joseph Warren to ride from Boston to Lexington to warn John Hancock and Samuel Adams of the movements of the British Army, which was beginning a march from Boston to Lexington, ostensibly to arrest Hancock and Adams and seize the weapons stores in Concord.”

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere

3. “For a year, the British army, under Gen. Thomas Gage, had occupied Boston. Pressed by the ministry in London to quell rebellion by arresting Samuel Adams and John Hancock, Gage chose instead to take away the patriots’ arms supply in Concord. But incompetence and miscalculation doomed what he meant to be a limited, routine operation. Gage depended on secrecy to seize the arms before the people of Concord could resist, but Boston knew of the operation before his troops left, and the arms at Concord were soon hidden. Couriers Paul Revere and William Dawes notified Adams and Hancock in Lexington that the British were on their way. Mix-ups delayed the British departure for hours, giving the colonists more time to prepare.”

Source: http://www.revolutionaryday.com/usroute20/concord/default.htm

4. And here’s an LA Times columnist’s story on Revere’s actual words on the subject matter, and how Revere, himself, could have reasonably been said to “warn” the British that they would meet some stiff resistance to their efforts:

“A letter written by Revere can be read online at the site of the Massachusetts Historical Society, and it provides some insight into the episode later made famous by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. In the letter, which Revere wrote in 1798, he said he set out from Boston and worked to evade some British officers. Revere, according to the historical record, was trying to be stealthy, so as not to attract British attention.

Later, however, after warning about 100 houses, Revere was captured by British officers. One put a pistol to his head and asked Revere what he knew.

“He demanded what time I left Boston? I told him; and aded, that their troops had catched aground in passing the River, and that There would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up,” Revere wrote.

So was Revere warning the British that he had warned the Colonists? Is that what the prospective presidential candidate meant? Was Revere serving notice (at gunpoint)?”

Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-palin-revere-20110606,0,5203855.story

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Your off on your figures compared to debt clock. http://images.ask.com/fr?q=debt%2Bmade%2Bby%2Bpresidents+chart&desturi=http%3A%2F%2Fjeffmilner.com%2F2005%2F10%2Funited-states-national-debt.htm&initialURL=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.ask.com%2Fpictures%3Fq%3Ddebt%252Bmade%252Bby%252Bpresidents%2Bchart%26qsrc%3D8%26o%3D0%26l%3Ddir&fm=i&ac=519&fsel=2&ftURI=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.ask.com%2Ffr%3Fq%3Ddebt%252Bmade%252Bby%252Bpresidents%2Bchart%26desturi%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fjeffmilner.com%252F2005%252F10%252Funited-states-national-debt.htm%26imagesrc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fstatic.flickr.com%252F31%252F48200292_9b92e59fc7_m.jpg%26thumbsrc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmedia3.picsearch.com%252Fis%253FLvfs9NVoeeSMrvu1YXL13m98TlgdB7utz-a8R-RLOiU%26o%3D0%26l%3Ddir%26thumbuselocalisedstatic%3Dfalse%26thumbwidth%3D128%26thumbheight%3D87%26fn%3D48200292_9b92e59fc7_m.jpg%26imagewidth%3D240%26imageheight%3D164%26fs%3D16%26f%3D2%26fm%3Di%26fsel%3D2%26ftbURI%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.ask.com%252Fpictures%253Fq%253Ddebt%25252Bmade%25252Bby%25252Bpresidents%252Bchart%2526page%253D1%2526o%253D0%2526l%253Ddir%2526pstart%253D0&qt=0

Showing a complete lack of comprehension of the term “fiscal year”!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Your off on your figures compared to debt clock.

http://images.ask.com/fr?q=debt%2Bmade%2Bby%2Bpresidents+chart&desturi=http%3A%2F%2Fjeffmilner.com%2F2005%2F10%2Funited-states-national-debt.htm&initialURL=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.ask.com%2Fpictures%3Fq%3Ddebt%252Bmade%252Bby%252Bpresidents%2Bchart%26qsrc%3D8%26o%3D0%26l%3Ddir&fm=i&ac=519&fsel=2&ftURI=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.ask.com%2Ffr%3Fq%3Ddebt%252Bmade%252Bby%252Bpresidents%2Bchart%26desturi%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fjeffmilner.com%252F2005%252F10%252Funited-states-national-debt.htm%26imagesrc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fstatic.flickr.com%252F31%252F48200292_9b92e59fc7_m.jpg%26thumbsrc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmedia3.picsearch.com%252Fis%253FLvfs9NVoeeSMrvu1YXL13m98TlgdB7utz-a8R-RLOiU%26o%3D0%26l%3Ddir%26thumbuselocalisedstatic%3Dfalse%26thumbwidth%3D128%26thumbheight%3D87%26fn%3D48200292_9b92e59fc7_m.jpg%26imagewidth%3D240%26imageheight%3D164%26fs%3D16%26f%3D2%26fm%3Di%26fsel%3D2%26ftbURI%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.ask.com%252Fpictures%253Fq%253Ddebt%25252Bmade%25252Bby%25252Bpresidents%252Bchart%2526page%253D1%2526o%253D0%2526l%253Ddir%2526pstart%253D0&qt=0

Fax. why are you quoting a graph from 2005?
That actually shows the soaring debt UNDER BUSH!

THANK YOU!!!!!

jim bronson 990cc said:
Showing a complete lack of comprehension of the term “fiscal year”!

Fact: If you don’t know how to read a chart done on debt per year ask.

Glackin said:
Fax. why are you quoting a graph from 2005?That actually shows the soaring debt UNDER BUSH! THANK YOU!!!!!

Fact: Only shows Bush 2 has 1 trillion new debt from 2000 to 2004 not 11.9 trillion like what you stated there is a huge difference. Quit using lefty sites and use real data.

ALL of history is agreed-to-myth. It is absolutely impossible to know exactly what PR said….and why. Speculating about speculation may very well be the most senseless of all human time-wasting activities.
I did not ride behind PR on the same horse, so I couldn’t possibly know what he said. I didn’t witness every conversation that PR had with everyone he talked with….and even then would not know for certain whether what PR told me was actually what he meant. I’ve never found a location anywhere in America where no one lies…..maybe there is and I just don’t know where that is…AND, if someone were to tell me where that place was, why should I accept that person is being truthful?

War histories are written by war winners, not war losers.

There is no such thing as an unbiased opinion….an opinion by definition is an expression of “thought” about some issue.

Facts and Opinions are not synonymous…and actually, can never be the same thing. Once an opinion becomes provably true….it becomes knowledge. Outside of the immutable laws of mathematics, 99.9% of every other issue becomes unprovable. People “choose” to embrace the opinions they have….and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that….nothing.
No one has an opinion that 2+2+2=s 6, they have knowledge it is.
Someone that expresses their opinion that chocolate is the best tasting flavor of ice cream is not stating a fact….only their opinion. Which flavor of ice cream is the best-tasting,can never be a fact, a provable fact….only an opinion.
People lie two different ways….intentionally and accidentally. Someone that passes along information from a long trusted source, isn’t purposely lying. They are being human, and not checking every possible source that would validate what their long-trusted source told them is ANOTHER human predictable flaw.
Every person that expresses their “opinion” of something believe they have the right to do so….and they do have that right…..where those people lose all credibility is when they don’t allow other people the same right to express THEIR opinion. That marks them as a hypocrite…..the lowest form of life…outside of the category of human behavior that is actually criminal in nature. having an opinion is not a criminal act.
The entire human race would be greatly improved by the adoption of simple principles: 1) Opinions and facts are not the same entity and never can be (2) Learning how to agree to disagree and keep moving forward, is the most valuable of all human behaviors….and of course the hardest.
Life is colorful, amusing, and enjoyable and should be viewed as such…..every 4 years, Americans are treated to the always-bizarre human spectacle of National campaigns and Election…..enjoy it!…..and vote as you decide to…..a person owes no other person an explanation of who they vote for and why.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: If you don’t know how to read a chart done on debt per year ask.

Not the issue, but thanks for playing!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Only shows Bush 2 has 1 trillion new debt from 2000 to 2004 not 11.9 trillion like what you stated there is a huge difference. Quit using lefty sites and use real data.

You would not know real data if it fell on you.

jim bronson 990cc said:
You would not know real data if it fell on you.

Fact: We can see how public school helped you out. hahahahahahahah………..

Just4thefax said:
Fact: We can see how public school helped you out. hahahahahahahah………..

We can see how home schooling worked for you. That’s the problem when nobody’s home.

Mediaite
“At some point, we’re going to have to stop pretending that every side has an equally valid issue or that matters of long-established fact are open for debate. The more time we spend debating settled issues, the less time we spend debating possible solutions.”

As much as it pains me to admit it Mr. Bump is right. Every candidate and politician makes verbal gaffs once in awhile. It is important however, that we differentiate between those who intentionally mislead and those who simply make a mistake.(ie. 57 states vs claiming 90% of planned parenthood goes to doing abortions.)

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Only shows Bush 2 has 1 trillion new debt from 2000 to 2004 not 11.9 trillion like what you stated there is a huge difference. Quit using lefty sites and use real data.

Your “home” school flopped. What I showed was the NATIONAL DEBT at the end of each fiscal year. It’s a total. Your data stops with ’04. Bush was Pres. until 1/09, and signed the budget for fiscal year 09.
The “lefty” site is the US Treasury, not some dork from Calgary, Alta., CANADA, like YOU QUOTED.