War is hell.

This is what happens when there is no purpose for being on foreign soil.

if guilty, they should spend the rest of their lives in jail

Is this President O-Bomb-a”$ Abu Gharab?

More Liberty5 said:
Is this President O-Bomb-a”$ Abu Gharab?

You make no sense. Let’s say you were caught abroad, in possession of drugs, will you also blame BO for that. Take responsibility for your own actions, don’t be a moron.

skyfet, in a burst of liberal righteounsess splashed with a large dose of irony, siad:

“You make no sense. Let’s say you were caught abroad, in possession of drugs, will you also blame BO for that. Take responsibility for your own actions, don’t be a moron”

Ah, the sweet short memory of the left.

Nice convenient memory lapse you have there. Remember abu Ghraib? The way the left blamed Bush for that you would have thought he was personally involved. But, hey, can’t do that with The Annoited One, can we?

Hypocrite.

What? Abu Ghraib was a BAD thing? I thought it was a great statement from our military to Muslim terrorists that the reward is not gonna be sex and gold…………….it’ll be humiliation. The only thing missing was covering the Muslims in pig guts and beheading them as they did innocent Americans, thereby playing to the archaic Muslim superstition that they wouldn’t be seeing the virgins and the wealth with pig on ‘em.

I know this horrifies the anti-Americans, but fighting fire with fire is the only thing Muslim terrorists understand. Perhaps if they weren’t allies to the Democrit Party……………

Harry Flashman said:
Nice convenient memory lapse you have there. Remember abu Ghraib? The way the left blamed Bush for that you would have thought he was personally involved. But, hey, can’t do that with The Annoited One, can we?

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I don’t think it will come anywhere close. How many days did the NYT feature photos from AG (Abu Ghraib) on the front page?

“New York Times Streak of Page One Stories on Abu Ghraib ends at 32 Days! (UPDATED: 34 of 37 days)
The New York Times ^ | June 2, 2004

32 successive New York Times front page articles on Abu Ghraib. Since May 1 the New York Times has had a front page article every day, until today.”

These wanton murders, which is much worse to me, happened on BHO’s watch. My money is on minimal coverage from the MSM. This is the first that I’ve heard of it and these guys have already been charged.

This is from the link above to Al Jazeera:

“A US soldier who allegedly killed three Afghan civilians for fun will face a full court martial.

Jeremy Morlock, one of the group of 12 accused soldiers, faces charges of premeditated murder, military authorities said Friday.

The case has drawn intense media scrutiny because Morlock and fellow soldiers are accused of taking ghoulish photos of corpses and taking body parts as war trophies.”

Have you seen or even heard a rumor of this story thas has “has drawn intense media scrutiny”?

Me neither.

This happens when you give a job to children who are supposed be adults. They look at it as a game.
Then again what adult with a good head on his or her shoulders would go in to the Army?

Don’t judge unless you would do better, and if so, “SIGN UP and GO THERE”. My heart is with our soldiers.

Grammie, I bet BHO was out playing golf while these soldiers were on the battlefield.

The media likes sensationalism, they lacked the pictures before.
You can imagine these newly leaked pictures will be all over every media news source.

One thing about the Abu Ghraib photos was that those pictures broke the story. This story has already been handled.

Another difference between this incident and Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib was a controlled environment. When you have a controlled environment like a prison, it is easier to hold the people in charge accountable for the actions of those under their “watch.”

Grammie said:
Have you seen or even heard a rumor of this story thas has “has drawn intense media scrutiny”?

Me neither.

I have, NPR covered it last year.

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=130162207&m=130162427

oops
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130162207

Damn that bias NPR protecting BHO

Army Investigates Afghan Civilian Deaths
May 27, 2010
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127220286&ps=rs

Nacho said:
Another difference between this incident and Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib was a controlled environment. When you have a controlled environment like a prison, it is easier to hold the people in charge accountable for the actions of those under their “watch.”

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That is a given. I always give every benefit of every conceivable doubt to those who are in a life and death situation and live in such an environment 24/7. I have commented in that way on several such stories here at Mediaite. That was not the point I was trying to make.

Abu Ghraib infuriated me as much for the sheer stupidity and bullying abuse of power by a group of people that I automatically admire and support. They caused great harm to their fellow soldiers and the prestige of the US by their cruelty. They deserved eyery thing and more of what they got for their behavior.

I also know that the US serviceman has a justly earned reputation as being a force for good even when they are occupiers in a foreign land. Stephen Ambrose wrote often of this. That doesn’t alter the fact that any large group of people are going to have percentage that are at heart simply cruel uncaring sociopaths who revel in the opportunity for legal mayhem.

Grammie said:
A US soldier who allegedly killed three Afghan civilians for fun will face a full court martial.

Jeremy Morlock, one of the group of 12 accused soldiers, faces charges of premeditated murder, military authorities said Friday.

This seems to fall in that category and is worse than AG b/c it involves murder. This does not seem to be a case of academics studying for weeks every little detail and deciding that the guy whose life was on the line should have been more restrained.

My entire point was addressed to this:

Grammie said:
The case has drawn intense media scrutiny

I vaguely remember a while back seeing a run of the mill report about some soldiers in Afghanistan being accused of murdering some civilians. That was it until today. There has not been even moderate media coverage much less “intense scrutiny” about this in the US media.

I am engaged enough to not have missed anything even approaching moderate coverage to have missed it. Since I don’t listen to NPR I my memory obviously comes from another source. So?????? If NPR had covered it everyday for months all alone as the sole outlier I still don’t think that the proper role of government is to fund news outlets. Any news outlet is by its nature the very embodiment of political speech which is what the First Amendment protects.

I don’t care what NPR covers or how it covers it I don’t think it should be funded by taxpayers anymore than any other media outlet.

However severe the sentence given these men for the atrocities they’ve committed, their leaders should be given double the time or punishment. Lax, poor leaders create the conditions which allow or permit this type of behavior among the rank and file troops.

Abu Ghraib on the other hand was caused by leaders who had a specific mindset. From the Bush administration down to the interrogators on site at Abu Ghraib the intent was clear. Using advanced interrogation techniques, obtain by any method we have deemed not to be torture, get the information. Ideally, the information we(the Bush admin.) want to hear. ie. We want someone to say Saddam was working with Al Qaeda. Waterboard someone 183 times and they’ll tell you whatever you want to hear, even if it ins’t true.

Right Nacho, Abu Ghraib was a controlled enviroment, controlled by the ‘tough’ cowboy, George Bush Jr. who advocated torchor, than hid behind the soldiers following orders.

I would like to see that entire ‘regime’ investigated, from the day that he was never elected!

The live ‘animal’ in the photo will get his just desserts

So many self-righteous comments from people who never served their country during wartime. Have any of you liberal pukes ever seen photos of our servicemen and women who endured the sadistic whims of our enemies?

printbrat said:
Don’t judge unless you would do better, and if so, “SIGN UP and GO THERE”. My heart is with our soldiers.

Wow, you’re a bit of a freak. Condoning the murder of innocent civilians just for the fun of it? That makes you no better the soldiers that did this.

Harry Flashman said:
skyfet, in a burst of liberal righteounsess splashed with a large dose of irony, siad:

“You make no sense. Let’s say you were caught abroad, in possession of drugs, will you also blame BO for that. Take responsibility for your own actions, don’t be a moron”

Ah, the sweet short memory of the left.

Nice convenient memory lapse you have there. Remember abu Ghraib? The way the left blamed Bush for that you would have thought he was personally involved. But, hey, can’t do that with The Annoited One, can we?

Hypocrite.

I wasn’t aware that skyfet said that Bush was responsible for Abu Ghraib.

Come on, Harry. I tend to like your posts, but don’t accuse someone of being a hypocrite because of a generalization that you, yourself, has made. There were many on the left, myself included, that kept the blame of Abu Ghraib on the soldiers that committed the offenses.

Man, there seems to be this concept that the left share some sort of hive mind. That’s ridiculous. If anything, the problem with the left is that we seem to never agree on anything.

printbrat said:
Don’t judge unless you would do better, and if so, “SIGN UP and GO THERE”. My heart is with our soldiers.

Why can’t we judge? If a soldier, representing our nation and our population, kills an unarmed civilian in cold blood and then proceeds to take a picture such as the one above with the body, I have every right to condemn that soldier.

If your heart is with the soldiers, you should realize that these types of actions put our soldiers at greater risk.

X-3 said:
So many self-righteous comments from people who never served their country during wartime. Have any of you liberal pukes ever seen photos of our servicemen and women who endured the sadistic whims of our enemies?

Yes, I have, but we’re supposed to be better than that.

I’ve never understood the desire to justify such atrocities by saying ‘we’re just doing what they do to us’. We’re supposed to be better than that. How can we be a shining city on a hill when we’re willing to throw ourselves in the muck with the Taliban in order to justify atrocious acts?

Stephen Hogan said:
I’ve never understood the desire to justify such atrocities by saying ‘we’re just doing what they do to us’. We’re supposed to be better than that. How can we be a shining city on a hill when we’re willing to throw ourselves in the muck with the Taliban in order to justify atrocious acts?

Well said.

Jayson said:
Wow, you’re a bit of a freak. Condoning the murder of innocent civilians just for the fun of it? That makes you no better the soldiers that did this.

My post does not condone anything. A picture, next to a corpse, does not prove murder. Who says these ‘civilians’ were innocent? Who said anything about this being fun?

If I’m a bit of a freak (per your post) for knowing that if I were in that situation I couldn’t guarantee being any better than these soldiers (except that I wouldn’t have taken pictures), then that makes you a complete idiot.
But if you can do better, if you are better (for an idiot), then SIGN UP, GO THERE and BE BETTER (if only for fun) than the rest of us who understand that there are out of control situations, that human beings get caught-up in these instances and that no one can guarantee that I/you/we would be any better than OUR trained soldiers under these circumstances.

My original post stands AS-IS: Don’t judge unless you would do better, and if so, “SIGN UP and GO THERE”. My heart is with our soldiers.

Stephen Hogan said:
Why can’t we judge? If a soldier, representing our nation and our population, kills an unarmed civilian in cold blood and then proceeds to take a picture such as the one above with the body, I have every right to condemn that soldier. If your heart is with the soldiers, you should realize that these types of actions put our soldiers at greater risk.

Because it’s hypocritical to judge unless you’ve been in their situation. We do not know the circumstances surrounding this incident – we may never know. You use the words ‘in cold blood” – were you there?
There is no doubt that these things happen – been happening since the beginning of time; and unless you are there, or have been in their shoes/boots than I believe we shouldn’t judge.
They never should have taken pictures.

My original post stands AS-IS: Don’t judge unless you would do better, and if so, “SIGN UP and GO THERE”. My heart is with our soldiers.

printbrat says:

Well said. Ignore hogans hero.

Lover said:
printbrat says: Well said. Ignore hogans hero.

HeLLo LoVeR: click the ” (Quote) ” next to a post to cut and paste someones quote, like I did yours.

printbrat said:
My post does not condone anything. A picture, next to a corpse, does not prove murder. Who says these ‘civilians’ were innocent? Who said anything about this being fun? If I’m a bit of a freak (per your post) for knowing that if I were in that situation I couldn’t guarantee being any better than these soldiers (except that I wouldn’t have taken pictures), then that makes you a complete idiot.But if you can do better, if you are better (for an idiot), then SIGN UP, GO THERE and BE BETTER (if only for fun) than the rest of us who understand that there are out of control situations, that human beings get caught-up in these instances and that no one can guarantee that I/you/we would be any better than OUR trained soldiers under these circumstances. My original post stands AS-IS: Don’t judge unless you would do better, and if so, “SIGN UP and GO THERE”. My heart is with our soldiers.

No judging here. Simple fact. Morlock has admitted to murder.. But, if your heart is still with him doing that, so be it. I support our soldiers as well as most everyone else, but I will not support the ones who bring disrespect to the country, by murdering the innocent. We all know our soldiers endure tremendous stress, a lot more stress than we back home could ever imagine. But, that does not give them the right to kill whomever they please whenever they please..

As for your “sign up and go there” rhetoric. I’m disabled son, and, I’m too old. Whats your excuse?

Jayson said:
No judging here. Simple fact. Morlock has admitted to murder.. But, if your heart is still with him doing that, so be it. I support our soldiers as well as most everyone else, but I will not support the ones who bring disrespect to the country, by murdering the innocent. We all know our soldiers endure tremendous stress, a lot more stress than we back home could ever imagine. But, that does not give them the right to kill whomever they please whenever they please.. As for your “sign up and go there” rhetoric. I’m disabled son, and, I’m too old. Whats your excuse?

The fact is that you do not know what you are capable-of until it happens, anyone can get caught up in an instant. And for that, they (our soldiers) deserve our loyalty, our support and our respect – in full. It can be done without condoning what has happened.

If there wasn’t a picture, would he have your respect? How many others do you respect not knowing what they have done? What about the good he has done for our country? What about the lives he has saved? How many sons/daughters are home because of something he did?

There is no doubt that these things happen – they have been happening since the beginning of time; and unless you are there, or have been in their shoes/boots than I believe we shouldn’t judge – they never should have taken pictures.

As I’ve mentioned in a previous post, I couldn’t guarantee being any better than him given certain circumstances (war and the threat of imminent death), except that there would be no pictures to document it. Besides, I thought you said that I must be a bit of a freak?

My original post stands AS-IS:
“Don’t judge unless you would do better, and if so, “SIGN UP and GO THERE”. My heart is with our soldiers.”

Great, so now it’s politically incorrect to get a souvenir. Shit happens, people! Don’t expect our military to be 100% perfect.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

Haditha

printbrat said:
The fact is that you do not know what you are capable-of until it happens, anyone can get caught up in an instant. And for that, they (our soldiers) deserve our loyalty, our support and our respect – in full. It can be done without condoning what has happened.
If there wasn’t a picture, would he have your respect? How many others do you respect not knowing what they have done? What about the good he has done for our country? What about the lives he has saved? How many sons/daughters are home because of something he did?
There is no doubt that these things happen – they have been happening since the beginning of time; and unless you are there, or have been in their shoes/boots than I believe we shouldn’t judge – they never should have taken pictures.
As I’ve mentioned in a previous post, I couldn’t guarantee being any better than him given certain circumstances (war and the threat of imminent death), except that there would be no pictures to document it. Besides, I thought you said that I must be a bit of a freak?
My original post stands AS-IS:
“Don’t judge unless you would do better, and if so, “SIGN UP and GO THERE”. My heart is with our soldiers.”

Got it. You believe, if a soldier/s is fighting a war we should all turn a blind eye if one or more of them decide to murder civilians at will. Sorry, not something I would do. They have my utmost respect for what they have to deal with, but they are still there for a reason. If all military personal decided to kill whomever they wished whenever they wanted, and to hell with the “rules”, what does that make them, and what does that make us if we supported them doing so?

http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/protected-persons/overview-protected-persons.htm

Jayson said:
Got it. You believe, if a soldier/s is fighting a war we should all turn a blind eye if one or more of them decide to murder civilians at will. Sorry, not something I would do. They have my utmost respect for what they have to deal with, but they are still there for a reason. If all military personal decided to kill whomever they wished whenever they wanted, and to hell with the “rules”, what does that make them, and what does that make us if we supported them doing so? http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/protected-persons/overview-protected-persons.htm

I am not writing in secret code that you need to translate.

For example, you’re posting that I believe in “Turning a blind eye”. I absolutely do not believe that, nor did I say that.

Your original post stated that I was “Condoning the murder of innocent civilians [by OUR soldiers] just for the fun of it”. I do not, nor did I say that.

What is it that you gain by condemning our soldiers for this? Does it make you feel better? Does it make you a better man?

** My most recent post (to your last post) stands AS-IS:

The fact is that you do not know what you are capable-of until it happens, anyone can get caught up in an instant. And for that, they (our soldiers) deserve our loyalty, our support and our respect – in full. It can be done without condoning what has happened.

If there wasn’t a picture, would he have your respect? How many others do you respect not knowing what they have done? What about the good he has done for our country? What about the lives he has saved? How many sons/daughters [and foreign civilians] are home because of something he did?

There is no doubt that these things happen – they have been happening since the beginning of time; and unless you are there, or have been in their shoes/boots than I believe we shouldn’t judge – they never should have taken pictures.

As I’ve mentioned in a previous post, I couldn’t guarantee being any better than him given certain circumstances (war and the threat of imminent death), except that there would be no pictures to document it. Besides, I thought you said that I must be a bit of a freak?

** My original post stands AS-IS:
Don’t judge unless you would do better, and if so, “SIGN UP and GO THERE”. My heart is with our soldiers.

Stephen Hogan said:
Yes, I have, but we’re supposed to be better than that. I’ve never understood the desire to justify such atrocities by saying ‘we’re just doing what they do to us’. We’re supposed to be better than that. How can we be a shining city on a hill when we’re willing to throw ourselves in the muck with the Taliban in order to justify atrocious acts?

I’m not trying to justify anything; I’m just telling you that some people react imperfectly. I don’t like it but at least I can understand it.

I am so ashamed to call these people american soldiers. This is sick and it makes me want to cry.

If it weren’t for people who “go in to the Army” then people like you wouldn’t be able to sit around posting ignorant comments in fact this country would have been taken over long ago if we didn’t have a military so thank God for people who “go in to the Army”!