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President Obama Certifies An End To Ban On Openly Gay People Serving In The Military

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This afternoon, President Barack Obama joined Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Admiral Mike Mullen to formally end the controversial ban on openly gay individuals serving in the U.S. military. The President signed and sent a notice to Congress certifying that repealing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” will not have an adverse impact on military readiness. As such, the repeal will be put into effect in 60 days’ time, on September 20th:

As commander in chief, I have always been confident that our dedicated men and women in uniform would transition to a new policy in an orderly manner that preserves unit cohesion, recruitment, retention and military effectiveness.

Today’s action follows extensive training of our military personnel and certification by Secretary Panetta and Admiral Mullen that our military is ready for repeal. As of September 20th, service members will no longer be forced to hide who they are in order to serve our country.

The repeal will bring with it certain changes. Not only will those serving in the military no longer be discharged for sharing that they are homosexual, but who were discharged before the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” may apply to re-enter the force. In addition, service members may now designate same-sex partners as beneficiaries for insurance and other such benefits.

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  • Anonymous

    and now the real fighting will begin

  • Anonymous

    Knowing that America has gay soldiers will certainly scare our Muslim enemies to death.

  • Moderate

    Playing grabass in the showers will take on a new meaning.

  • Anonymous

    whewwwww Obama is issuing out a major ass kicking to you repukes right now……hes sick of your bullshit….he smacking you assholes so hard right now my butt is starting to hurt…heheheheheheheheheh….hes treating Boehner like a red headed step child….he spanked that ass and grounded him for life

  • Nature Freak

    Thank you Lt. Dan Choi for your non stop advocacy for repealing DADT.
    http://www.ltdanchoi.com/
    Dan Choi is a true patriot.
    This is great news! Bigotry lost big time. Equality and fairness won.

  • Scrub

    In a further announcement, President Obama went on to inform the public that Sept 20th will now be known as “Gay-Day”. He then leaned his head slightly back and to the side, closed his eyes and smiled very broadly. A spectator at the conference described the moment as “surreal”.

  • Nature Freak

    I admit I have a great amount of schadenfreude over this.The haters and bigots lost. And there is nothing they can do. And if they do decide to commit a hate crime over this, they will be punished. Thank you President Obama.

  • Anonymous

    just because some people do not think being gay is normal does not make them bigots or haters

  • Anonymous

    and like i said, now the real fighting will begin

  • Nature Freak

    Yes it does.

  • Anonymous

    too you

  • Anonymous

    and why does it?

  • Anonymous

    I wonder why it took the Messiah 2.5 years to do this. Looks like he’s been a coward up until now. But maybe it’s because he’s desperate. Obama knows that since the economy has completely tanked under his and the Democratic Party’s stewardship, he’s dead man walking in Nov 2012. Now he’s gotta scrounge for every vote he can get. Time to fulfill a few campaign promises. Hey, what about Guantanamo…?

  • Anonymous

    Your discriminating against a segment of society that has given no cause for it, where I come from that’s called bigotry.

  • Anonymous

    listen, i know people that look at being born gay as a birth defect……no hate in their hearts

  • Anonymous

    yes and then they send them to the pray the gay away clinics which have about a .4% chance of results by their own admission. I also wonder why there is so much focus by christians on the subject and not so much on the issue of divorce.

  • Moderate

    The lawyers are going to be busy handling sexual harassment vs gay bashing charges.

  • Anonymous

    not talking about those nuts, but people that think genes can find a cure

  • Anonymous

    Like in the Israeli military! Oh, wait . . .

  • Anonymous

    Seems to work for Israel.

  • Anonymous

    Who’s this “Messiah”?

  • Moderate

    Israel is a very small country, if someone wants to take a shower, they simply go home. A barracks is a room full of couches.

  • Moderate

    Israel is a very small country, if someone wants to take a shower, they simply go home. A barracks is a room full of couches.

  • Redleaf

    All you gay-haters should visit your boy-fondling priests on Sunday and pray for the reinstatement of DADT.

  • Redleaf

    All you gay-haters should visit your boy-fondling priests on Sunday and pray for the reinstatement of DADT.

  • Anonymous

    love it when a hater like you tries to pass lol

  • Anonymous

    love it when a hater like you tries to pass lol

  • Anonymous

    a cure for what exactly? What damage does being gay do to anyone?

  • Anonymous

    a cure for what exactly? What damage does being gay do to anyone?

  • Anonymous

    Ooooooooooh, Bruce! Does this mean we can swish on post?

  • Anonymous

    US allies that allow gays to openly serve in their militaries:

    - Israel
    - The UK
    - Australia
    - Ireland (!)
    - Canada
    - Austria
    - Belgium
    - Germany
    - Italy
    - France
    - Denmark
    - Japan
    - Finland
    - Greece
    - The Netherlands
    - New Zealand
    - Norway
    - Poland
    - South Africa
    - Spain
    - Sweden
    - Switzerland

    Seriously, how’d this take so long?

  • Anonymous

    I think he’s referring to his messiah, ronald reagan. if i may quote from his holy scriptures: “Yay and on that day, ronald reagan shall return in a golden chariot and the free market shall reign eternally forever and ever, amen.”

  • Anonymous

    wow israel? that is very surprising. They also have universal healthcare, good for them.

  • Anonymous

    that’s the stupidest bs i’ve ever heard.

  • Redleaf

    Gays in the military is a joke.
    Next thing you know they’ll be letter women in the military. They’ll be bleeding all over everything and won’t fight because American Idol is on.
    Seriously, NO GAYS OR WOMEN IN THE MILITARY! 

  • Anonymous

    On Sept. 21, 2011, the official Marine anthem “Halls of Montezuma” will be scrapped and replaced by Tiny Tim’s rendition of “Tiptoe through the Tulips”.

  • Mr. Gasket

    They sure as scared as shit of the IDF…WHO HAVE HAD GAY SOLDIERS FOR YEARS!

  • Anonymous

    “Consider this hypothetical. It’s November 2008. A young Pakistani
    Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is
    the new face of America. In one simple image, America’s soft power has been
    ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was
    an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim
    school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most
    effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist
    ideology, Obama’s face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is
    in ways no words can.” –Andrew Sullivan, Atlantic Magazine
     

    Barack the Messiah! (LOL)

  • Anonymous

    Because, we are not the ‘Melting-Pot’ that many have been brain-washed to believe!!!

  • Anonymous

    Israel and its “universal healthcare” wouldn’t exist without US grants and loans courtesy of the American taxpayer. LOL.

  • Capoman

    hmmm some one need some voldimort’s hugs…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZW_dwd_WJY

  • Capoman

    do I sense jealousy or covetousness? 

  • Capoman

    First was the end of the Space Exploration era… now is the end of the Real Military era… the fall of the economy, the fall of the dollar… hey all under Obama’s watch… the worst president in the History of this … once… Great Nation

  • Capoman

    …. or some tune from the Village People…. LOL

  • Anonymous

    Let our soldiers be soldiers! If agy men want to fight in these silly wars, let them. We need good soldiers no matter who they sleep with.

  • Capoman

    there goes the neighbourhood…

  • Capoman

    All European countries slowly being conquered by muslim fundamentalists from within… (because the muslims don’t allow gays… anywhere)

  • Anonymous

     He’s referring to the President. You know, “the light bringer.”

  • John

    Gays in the military and that makes libturds proud. Fruits and vegetables is what you can expect from the Obummer administration.

  • Anonymous

    And then the Nobel Peace Prize winner calls to go into wat in an other Mid-East country without approval from Congress. That should win them over.

  • Anonymous

    This is just the beginning. Wait until the trans-genders want to serve openly. Then, they will sue when there are not specific bathrooms or specific uniforms to accommodate them. Then, they will sue to be allowed in specific programs that currently have strict mandates such as height requirements for pilots. It will be considered “discrimination.” This is a bad, bad idea. Personally, I could care less if you are gay or not. Why do you feel the need to have everyone know who you sleep with? Why can’t you just do your job?

  • Anonymous

    So you think being an adult baby or a polygamist is normal? If not then aren’t you a bigot and a hater? They are just people too wanting love and acceptance.

  • Nature Freak

    I have no problem with “trans-genders” openly serving in the military.
    Transsexuals are human beings. They are patriots as well. As long as they meet the qualifications, let them serve.

  • Nature Freak

    It makes me proud.
    Bigotry and Homophobia sucks!
    Fruits and vegetables are healthy. They are good for you. They make up a large part of my diet.

  • Ganymede

    I wish that homphobic people would own up to their prejudice and bigotry. We’re all God’s creations and gay people have been with us from the beginning of time. They’re just as normal or abnormal as the rest of us. It seems that most of the homophobes are on the right side of the political spectrum. It’s about time rightwingers gave up the ghost about their whole set of reactionary views and values whether it’s about Gays, Obama, being lackeys of the rich, thinking they’re living in a John Wayne film or any of the countless silly, foolish and dangerous notions that are holding our country back. Fortunately, time and demographics are not on the side of these angry white people. Yes, 90%+ of these people are white. And now, with the damaged FOX media empire, you’re going to see what it’s like not having as much bad propaganda thrown at you.

  • Redleaf

    If God created Man in His own image then gays were created in God’s image.
    So does that mean God made a mistake?
    Does that mean God is okay with gays since all Men are made in His image?
    Does that mean God is gay?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V72AH6WWKZ4YC7DF5ZKKOMMMUQ Keith

    Buck Ofama.

  • Redleaf

    “The Real Military”? Are you saying the real non-gay military? Would the military be more “real” for you if it were the non-gay and non-female, too? 

    And where were you when Bush signed TARP into law? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V72AH6WWKZ4YC7DF5ZKKOMMMUQ Keith

    No it doesn’t asswipe, it means they believe the Lord God who called it an ABOMINATION. Which means that EVEN though I am partial to two chicks munching each others nether regions, I repent, and will NEVER CONTRADICT the Lord by saying that it’s “okay”, or sanctioning it in ANY way. His ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts (Is 55). What you liberal F-tards call hypocrisy is more often than not simply esteeming the Lords opinion of something OVER our own.  That’s why the gay relatives don’t matter, even personal attraction that one might feel, doesn’t matter, the ONLY thing that matters is doing the WILL OF GOD.  That’s why He told us not to be deceived by people such as YOU. 
    1 Corinthians 6:9-10
    New International Version 1984 (NIV1984) 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.So even though, if left to my own devices, I’d have compassion on You Gays and even commiserate with you on being denied certain rights. But I CAN’T because the PENALTY for throwing in with you, for supporting you even though I myself am not gay, IS DEATH. That’s right, every person who supports Gay rights is GOING TO HELL, if they don’t REPENT for doing so. THAT’S what Jesus said through Paul about the subject. And since I would choose Jesus and His will over YOURS every freakin’ time and TWICE ON SUNDAY, we have no “common ground”. You are the enemy. You are on this side…..Romans 1:22-32
    New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)22. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23. and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30. slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31. they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.So you see? We can’t EVER agree with you. You’re on your way to HELL and WE are trying HARD not to accompany you!!

  • Anonymous

     Like they do in Israel, Ireland, the UK, Ger- . . . oh, wait . . .

  • Anonymous

     So, Israel, Australia, Canada, Japan, and South Africa are European, though not in Europe . . . ok.

  • Anonymous

     So, you think President Obama is the Messiah, presumably yours.

  • Anonymous

    So, you’re an adult baby and a polygamist . . . well, more wives to take care of an adult baby makes sense.

  • Anonymous

    So, you’re an adult baby and a polygamist . . . well, more wives to take care of an adult baby makes sense.

  • Anonymous

    So, you like Tiny Tim’s rendition of “Tiptoe through the Tulips”. . .

  • Anonymous

    So, you’re into The Village People . . .

  • Anonymous

    Not in Europe… but the are FOLLOWING the european model… wait till they see what happens to them… hopefully it wont be too late…

  • Anonymous

    Real Military = From the beginning of this God Blessed nation until … today
    whatever-you-wanna-call-it Military = from today on… I wont be surprised of any tabloid news: rainbow pins, pink tanks, water balloons (instead of bullets), a$$ grabbing parties, etc… wait til you see the effect of this decision in the battlefield… 
    next… 
    transgender’s in the military = drag queens with guns
    … in the end…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZW_dwd_WJY

  • Anonymous

    Gays, Drug addicts, alcoholics, gamblers, over-eaters, pedophiles, zoophiles, rapists, Rep. Weiner, etc… they can chose to ask for help rather than scratch their itch.

  • Anonymous

    you seem infatuated with israel for some reason, or are you just a broken record?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5V6VTQAVLARF7XXO47Z5OCZWM TangledThorns

    Nothing speaks national defense more than seeing two male officers in dress uniform dance with each other at the officer’s ball. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5V6VTQAVLARF7XXO47Z5OCZWM TangledThorns

    Nothing speaks national defense more than seeing two male officers in dress uniform dance with each other at the officer’s ball. 

  • Anonymous

    • 14,317 people were discharged under DADT (November 1993 – July 2011).

    • 78,000 bisexuals, lesbians, and gays are serving in the U.S. military today.
    • Millions served successfully through the 20th and 21st centuries.
    • 41 other nations also allow open military service, regardless of sexual orientation.

  • Redleaf

    capomanny has changed my mind.
    I can’t believe that one day transgender freaks wearing non-military issue dresses will be traipsing around  Afghanistan yelling, “I can’t fight today, it’s too hot.” 
    I can’t believe that gays, with their monstrous sexual appetites will be running around the showers raping real Americans.
    From now on, every solider should take a sexual orientation test before admission into the armed services. 

  • Anonymous

    don’t mind jdubbleu, he just can’t stand the fact that the country he worships has gay soldiers and universal healthcare.

  • Anonymous

    it’s funny how vehement you are about bashing gays. How bout the fact that jesus never talked about homosexuality? But you know what he did discus? divorce. “god hates divorce” why aren’t you blowhard social conservatives more concerned about the issue of banning divorce if scripture is really the basis for your reasoning?

  • Anonymous

    as far as polygamy, that’s a predatory situation where one person has the advantage over another and it hurts the other people involved. The adult baby thing is just a weird fetish, to each his own  though.

  • Anonymous

    as far as polygamy, that’s a predatory situation where one person has the advantage over another and it hurts the other people involved. The adult baby thing is just a weird fetish, to each his own  though.

  • Anonymous

    Theological question. Does God have a spouse? I guess we are not supposed to ask. Just assume it’s lonely at the top.

  • Anonymous

    Which of those should you be stoned for?

  • Anonymous

    are you renouncing your faith for barack obama? man these brain dead obama followers are something else. There’s no way you could be using sarcasm to make a point, your just too stupid.

  • Anonymous

    how many other countries have gays in the military and they haven’t had any problems?

  • Anonymous

    but I thought “government run” healthcare was of worse quality than that of private healthcare.

  • Anonymous

    all of the other people in that list have a serious problems that adversely effect others. what damage does being gay do to anyone?

  • Anonymous

    all of the other people in that list have a serious problems that adversely effect others. what damage does being gay do to anyone?

  • Anonymous

    Let’s not forget that Israel is the darling of the ultra -conservatives these days. They see a religious need to defend Israel for biblical reasons, so they should know the Israeli attitude about these things. Hopefully, they will learn from it. Probably, they will ignore it.

  • Ted Joy

    I’m not in favor of openly gay folks serving in the military but I suspect that, like most things, the GIs will sort this out for themselves and they won’t allow the gays among them to become a problem.

  • Anonymous

    Wow. I am a Christian. I go to church. I serve on my church’s council. I am working on developing a stronger relationship with Christ. I admit I haven’t been the most faithful but I am trying to change that. I believe Jesus Christ died for my sins and your sins and everyone’s sins and was resurrected to forgive our sins. Ok?

    A major problem with gaining a full relationship with God is this stance on gays. I can’t come to accept that God would have this hatred for homosexuality. Gay people don’t become gay, they already are gay, it’s just not realized until sexuality comes into fruition. Why would a just and righteous God send me to hell for believing that gay people should have the same opportunities for happiness and fulfillment as I and you do? You seem to describe a vengeful and hateful God and that’s not a God I’ve grown to love.

    If I am going to Hell for supporting gay rights, then so be it. But I’m not changing my belief that gay people are just as able to experience love and compassion as I am and that they should have that opportunity.

  • Anonymous

    It does when they start posting about it in a hateful way. Are you silent in other places?

  • Anonymous

    Does God approve of your dirty mouth?

  • Anonymous

    jdubbleu, ask the Christian Conservatives about that.

  • Anonymous

    Is that from some Children’s story?

  • Anonymous

    Did you play grabass in the showers? Did you know what you were doing?

  • Anonymous

    yeah, isn’t there something about swearing in there?

  • Anonymous

    Israel has gay in it’s military, are they losing touch with god to?

  • Capoman

    Israel does… but remember.. they write backwards… LOL

  • Capoman

    Just go to San Franpsycho…

  • MrPhill

    I beg to differ… 

    drugs & alcohol (addicts), eating, sex are all functions of one and the same natural instinctive (impulsive) nature… those who can use them, albeit PROPERLY, do not incur in pathological behavior… however, those who can’t control their itch/impulse and would like to do whatever the heck they want, end up in jail, tabloids, hospitals, dead, w/HIV, fired, rehabs, severe psychological delusions, denial, quick-temper/violent/sour/angry/hatred at all the times towards everyone that looks at them differently, worst of all, they despise themselves…i.e. wine, accompanying meals;  morphine, to control pain in extreme cases; sex for the purpose of having children; playing cards as a social event to share laughs; hammer for hammering nails into wood; are all example of uses from their intended purpose.Now, wine until you get buzzed, morphine to get high, sex ‘only for the sake of pleasure’ (yes, masturbation, sex with condom, adultery, rape, pedophile, zoophile, etc.), playing cards for money or personal gain, using a hammer to kill; are all examples of corruption, or more to the point, degrees of perversions from their intended purpose.

    The problem started when GBLT bought the vote at the APA so that they start preaching that ONLY GBLT (not pedophilia, not zoophilia, not sex with any instrument, masturbation, etc…) is genetic sometime during the 70′s… the rest is history… now they teach that it is OK in the schools in LA.

  • Anonymous

    by extension jesus wrote backwards, why are you insulting the lord and savior?

  • Nature Freak

    MrPhill, are you against masturbation? Did it make you blind?
    You are one repressed individual Someone messed you up bad!

    Woody Allen: “Hey, don’t knock masturbation. It’s sex with someone I love.’

  • Nature Freak

    “not sex with any instrument”

    I like to have sex with French Horns as well as Piccolos.
    Is that so wrong?

  • Nature Freak

    That is a really good theological question.
    Hinduism has Shiva and Shakti.
    http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_gods_and_goddesses/shiva.htm
    Thor and Sif
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sif
    I suspect “God” or “The Force” is way beyond Male and Female, and has all characteristics. Human beings like to anthropomorphize what they do not understand.

    Perhaps God is in a Gay marriage. God has been known to hang out at a Gay bar located at the center of Andromeda.

  • Axemole

    Jesus wrote in aramaic.. do your history…

  • Nature Freak

    BTW,
    Hate crimes in the military will send you to jail.
    Are you suggesting violence or intimation?
    Look this one up:
    United States Disciplinary Barracks
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Disciplinary_Barracks

  • Ted Joy

    Nope, I’m not suggesting violence or (do you mean intimidation instead of intimation)?

    What I mean is that the informal social mechanisms allow things to sort themselves out.

    I suspect that you’ve never been in the military where there are three detailed rules for everything and yet people still manage to go on with their lives in a pretty normal fashion.

  • caconservative

    This also spells the end of civility within the military. An already severely strained civility that was holding on by a thread called, “don’t ask, don’t tell”. By removing that thread, a thread that kept a repugnant life style in check, Gays will fill encouraged, and empowered to force the issue upon straight people. We all know what the result will be.  

  • insideguy

     You are an idiot. This is gonna work out fine just like when truman integrated the military. You morons were saying the same stuff back then. Get in line or get out of the way.

  • Anonymous

    You really need to stop sniffin the hazmats from under the sink ProSnowJob.  The problem with your rendition of events is that Snow Job hasn’t written down a single proposal— so when Cut, Cap and Balance passes the Senate next week, you are going to see President Pimp Mac Daddy huffing Boehner’s choad as he signs it on the White House Lawn overlooking MooChelle’s Collard Garden (a new chain restaurant she is planning to open by the same name, btw.).  Just sayin-  you are hallucinatory.

  • Anonymous

    A great amount of schadenfreude?  How culturally sophisticated you are. In fact, you are misuing the term.  I would sure hate to see you holding a revolver as you pull the trigger.  No one really cares what happens now.  The bottom line:  world war looms.  And when the body counts are being racked up in the millions, no one is going to care who has fecal matter on the end of their johnson or whose boobies are stuck together with someone else’s.  No one will care.  But that is what affluence does to a country— people care about things that do not have anything to do with survival.  The schadenfreude you will eat in the coming years will make your jaws cramp like a private first class just trying to get along in the “new” military.

  • Anonymous

    A great amount of schadenfreude?  How culturally sophisticated you are. In fact, you are misuing the term.  I would sure hate to see you holding a revolver as you pull the trigger.  No one really cares what happens now.  The bottom line:  world war looms.  And when the body counts are being racked up in the millions, no one is going to care who has fecal matter on the end of their johnson or whose boobies are stuck together with someone else’s.  No one will care.  But that is what affluence does to a country— people care about things that do not have anything to do with survival.  The schadenfreude you will eat in the coming years will make your jaws cramp like a private first class just trying to get along in the “new” military.

  • Anonymous

    I know what you mean.  All those ministers and clerics and priests who sodomized chidlren and their secret adult “lovers” all these years….no cause there.  I’d let my son go to “lunch” with a Catholic priest just the same way i’d teach him to take candy from strangers.  No cause in the moment, true.  But what kind of dumb ass tells their kids that homosexuals are not capable of weaknesses of the flesh, and therefore vulnerable to sexual misconduct?  They are human.  I discriminate because it is a rational function of my human brain.  Trust is earned.  Granting homosexuals some kind of moral authority just because they are discriminated against, like Negros or Mexicans, or Jews are discriminated against, is a pathetic point of view.  Each person taken on their own individual merits is the only standard I use.  The rest is liberal lefty crap.  Trust is earned.  Moral integrity is demonstrated daily.  No blank checks to anybody.  If that is bigoted, so be it. Label me.  I couldn’t care less.

  • Anonymous

    Aramaic is written backwards to. Do better research axemole.

  • Dart Rt

    So now we will have to have 3 different types of barracks on every base, 1 for males, 1 for females & 1 for the queers.

  • Anonymous

    Divorce is a huge issue in Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and Episcopalian Church communities.  Each church has its own doctrine regarding it.  Do you know anything about it?  There is a tradition against sodomy and polygamy in Judaeo-Christian teachings based on the idea that anal sex wasn’t the best idea amongst friends and families, something to do with uncircumcised male genitals and fecal matter you understand.  Oh, did I bring up something homosexual advocates never bring up? Or do not “focus” on when it comes to “gay” sex?  You know the kind that involves anal penetration with tongues, fingers and dongs?  Ya.  Stinky man sex.  Oh, and let’s not forget the “Man-Boy” Love Crowd… it is okay for older men to sodomize pre-pubescent boys. They were going to turn out gay anyways.

    Get my drift, NationBoy?

  • Anonymous

    Divorce is a huge issue in Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and Episcopalian Church communities.  Each church has its own doctrine regarding it.  Do you know anything about it?  There is a tradition against sodomy and polygamy in Judaeo-Christian teachings based on the idea that anal sex wasn’t the best idea amongst friends and families, something to do with uncircumcised male genitals and fecal matter you understand.  Oh, did I bring up something homosexual advocates never bring up? Or do not “focus” on when it comes to “gay” sex?  You know the kind that involves anal penetration with tongues, fingers and dongs?  Ya.  Stinky man sex.  Oh, and let’s not forget the “Man-Boy” Love Crowd… it is okay for older men to sodomize pre-pubescent boys. They were going to turn out gay anyways.

    Get my drift, NationBoy?

  • Anonymous

    that is a myth. Azarkhan.  Quote for me, if you will, and give the source, that indicates the total amount of aid that Israel receives from the United States.  And also, can you tell me what natural resource they are about to become net exporters of that will put them in the top 5 internationally and will be to the amount that would enable them to retire the total debt of the State of California?

    I didn’t think so.

  • caconservative

    Thanks so much for you typical Liberal personal attack. Mighty redundant of you! Are you under the false impression that there is not racial tension in the military? Do you think that young men, full of testosterone will tolerate an affront to their manhood by a Gay? Do you think racism, and homophobia are the same animal? Somewhere, in the deep dark recesses of your ability to reason, which situation would you most consider would be the most dangerous?
    Here’s a hint, all men of every color in this country, disdain open homosexuality! Does that help you, SPARKY?!!

  • Anonymous

    The Spartans of old were an all homosexual fighting force from hell.  No one cared where they sheathed their swords.  Neither do i, as long as it isn’t in my scabbard.  Just sayin.  It has nothing to do with it, like skin color.

  • Anonymous

     So, you want Sept 20th to be known as “Gay-Day.”

  • Anonymous

    Also the most powerful military in the Middle East . . . and they allow their gay soldiers to serve openly.

  • Anonymous

     Like they occasionally do in Israel.

  • Anonymous

    I’d love examples of this happening in Israel . . . or the UK . . . or Australia . . . or Germany . . . or . . .

  • caconservative

    Hey, yow Ganymede, as mythical as your thinking is, homophobia and prejudice are most commonly not the underlying issues that put straight people off. It’s the repugnance we feel when we are around something we know is instinctively wrong, much like incest. A condition nature says no to! Most Gay’s would like to hang those assumptions on heterosexuals because, without those misconceptions they have nothing to justify their abnormal life-style, hence, the continued effort of Gay’s to make homosexuality seem normal.   

  • caconservative

    How many are, and their not reporting them?

  • caconservative

    Since most people do not fear Gay’s (homophobia) in the traditional sense, that argument holds no substance. Do you really think it’s bigotry, or the normal human emotion of uneasiness they feel when heterosexuals are subjected to a situation that they inherently know goes against the grain of the human condition?

  • Anonymous

    If there’s a world war coming, the armies that don’t kick out good soldiers because they are gay will win.

  • Anonymous

    Israel and her gay soldiers still make the most powerful military in the Middle East; it helps not to kick out competent soldiers for menial reasons.

  • Anonymous

    They’ll thrive, as all free societies do.

  • Anonymous

    Not really . . .

  • Anonymous

    Nature has no problem with gay coupling, as it’s seen in countless animals.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see:
    - Young men secure in their sexuality have no problems with gays.
    - Racism and homophobia are indeed basically the same thing (racists tend to be homophobes)
    - All hate is dangerous.
    - Most men couldn’t care less about open homosexuality, certainly not yours (as you’re clearly projecting).

  • Anonymous

    So, when did you first realize you were gay?

  • Anonymous

    So, when did you first realize you were gay?

  • Anonymous

    Don’ reckon that’s how they do it in Israel . . . or the UK . . . or Germany . . . or Canada . . . or . . .

  • expatpatriot

    Since you’re clearly unfit to serve, what do you care?

  • expatpatriot

    Do you seriously believe that civility in the military is dependent upon homosexual people concealing their sexuality while heterosexual people are not required to? If that’s so, then our military collapsed decades ago and we might as well scrap the whole thing.

    I do accept that there are troubled people like yourself who consider other people’s behavior — which is none of your business — to be repugnant. And who can’t control themselves. But those people are not fit to serve and the military will be better off once they muster themselves out.

  • expatpatriot

    Actually, nothing’s more irrelevant to national defense.

    Besides, aren’t there fraternization regulations for all people in service, regardless of orientation?

  • expatpatriot

    Like most bigots, you’re sure your “instincts” are right. However, having defective instincts doesn’t make you any less vile.

  • expatpatriot

    What’s the quote I heard the other day? “If God hates gay people, why does he keep making so many of them?”

  • expatpatriot

    I am 100 percent certain that masturbation is genetic. Genes gave me a dick and genes gave me my hands.

  • expatpatriot

    Yep, that’s over the top all right. In America, real men don’t discuss passion unless it’s related to sex.

    However, Sullivan’s statement also has a lot of truth about it and, if you had been overseas when Obama was elected you would have experienced a sea change in the world’s perception of America — for the better.

  • expatpatriot

    Yah know, things have gotten so bad, I think it’s time you took to that cave in the hills you were looking at last summer.

    Take your family and friends, too.

  • expatpatriot

    “Ass grabbing parties.”

    I guess you’ve never heard of the “Tailhook” scandal.

  • Nature Freak

    Anders Behring Breivik feels the same way.

  • Anonymous

    lmfao at bear comparing pedophilia to being gay. Big difference between two consenting adults and a manipulative adult with a kid who has no idea what they’re getting into. You sound like the eat da poo poo guy from youtube, you’d probably like to have gay people killed for merely being who they are.

  • Anonymous

    also bear, the christian advocacy for banning divorce is far less vocal than those who oppose homosexuality. And the fact is jesus never mentioned homosexuality but he did say that God hates divorce, pretty clear on that issue not so clear on homosexuality.

  • Anonymous

    also bear, the christian advocacy for banning divorce is far less vocal than those who oppose homosexuality. And the fact is jesus never mentioned homosexuality but he did say that God hates divorce, pretty clear on that issue not so clear on homosexuality.

  • Nature Freak

    If only Obama would ban self abuse, America could be great again!
    Obama supports Onan! Self abuse needs to be stopped!

  • Anonymous

    yes it’s a massive gay conspircacy caconservative, that’s a crock of bs and you know it.

  • Nature Freak

    So bigotry is “civility”?
    I consider bigotry to be the antithesis of civility.

  • Nature Freak

    “Are you under the false impression that there is not racial tension in the military?”

    What was President Truman thinking?
    http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/odyssey/educate/truman.html
    Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!
    Some here disdain open homosexuality because of “personal” issues.

  • expatpatriot

    Truly delusional. I’ll agree with you on one point though — any attack on you is clearly redundant because you bash yourself in the face every time you touch your keyboard.

    Do sensible people think that young men will “tolerate an affront to their manhood?” Yeah, I do, and I’m sure the senior officers think so too since they’ll be putting any soldier who doesn’t tolerate such “affronts” in the stockade pending court martial. One hopes our military people have better discipline, not to mention good sense.

    Evidence suggests that they do. Evidence suggests that you don’t.

    Do sensible people think racism and homophobia are the same animal? Pretty much. Pathological fear of “the other,” completely unjustified by facts. It’s pretty cut and dried. And as for which is more dangerous — homophobia or racism — that’s unanswerable.

    “All men of every color disdain homosexuality?” Now you’re just trying to crack a joke. It exceeds my ability to suspend belief that any sentient person could be so deluded. So I conclude you’re full of . . . let’s say “swamp gas,” instead.

  • Dr. Phil

    a.n.i.m.a.l.s.
    thank you for stating the obvious…

  • Xraex413

    dude get over it, its 2011, stop bringing religion into this, this is why people get so divided on things like this, take religion out of it, just look at it with an open mind and you will see you have nothing to worry about.

  • Xraex413

    are you kidding me, you act as if there are no gay people in the military right now, i know gay people fighting in Iraq right now who are infantry in the army and marines, and I hope your in the military talking all that crap, because theres gay people right there in the front lines while a lot of straight people are kicking back at home. ITS 2011 GET OVER IT

  • Xraex413

    and i like how you start your religious readings with “No it doesnt asswipe” wow wouldnt Jesus be so proud. I wonder how many times Jesus started off by calling people asswipe to get his point across, last time I checked he did it in a peaceful way regardless of what others thought.

  • caconservative

    The only thing delusional in this issue is your complete failure at recognizing the obvious. In your typical, and boringly cumbersome personal attack of me, you fail to recognize just how abhorrent the Gay life style is to heterosexuals, especially men in their late teens, and twenties who find that life style, sick!
    Instead you find homophobia and racism to be on an equal par? I would agree that the fear of the two is equal but, in a situation where there are mixed races and openly Gay people, who do you think is going to get the most attention?
    Apparently, you have “suspended belief” if you think the two separate issues will be treated evenly! There’s swamp gas here alright, and it’s between your two ears if you think there’s not going to be trouble within the military on this issue!
    Instead of using the same old tired Liberal talking points, why don’t you start asking questions of the people directly involved in this crap?! I did, I’ve found out that the trouble has already started. But then, that would mean you’d have to due some due-diligence wouldn’t it, and like most Liberals, your more than willing to regurgitate whatever your being told with little or no thought of an opposite argument. You are truly the antithesis of the term, “informed”!! Just another proud Obamacon aren’t you?!!

  • caconservative

    Not relevant?? Are you kidding? Nothing could be more relevant in this issue.

    “Besides, aren’t there fraternization regulations for all people in service, regardless of orientation”

    There you go again, trying to think! Yes Sir, “expatpatriot”, regulation will do the trick won’t they Sparky???!! That’ll fix everything!
    Are you really that dense?

  • Nature Freak

    Great Pink Floyd album. Words of wisdom:

    “You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.
    You know it’s going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you
    get older.
    And in the end you’ll pack up and fly down south,
    Hide your head in the sand,
    Just another sad old man,
    All alone and dying of cancer.”

  • caconservative

    I’m sure your trying to make a point here, so why don’t you just say what’s on your mind instead beating around the bush with statements that go nowhere.

    “Some here disdain open homosexuality because of “personal” issues”.
     
    Some? How about….VAST MAJORITY!!  

  • Nature Freak

    DADT is history. Haters need to deal with this fact.
    Tolerance and Love is winning over hate and Bigotry.
    The Gay bashers
    here are on the wrong side of history. And they know it. Some haters
    here will deny 10 years from now they were ever against Gay equality.

  • Nature Freak

    I was talking about you.

  • Nature Freak

    The times they are a changing.
    We will never go back to the past.
    Just because you are bitter and angry towards GLBT people does not mean the majority of people feel the same way.
    History is leaving you behind.

  • Nature Freak

    You are very insecure about your sexuality.

  • caconservative

    Having a gutless approach like your isn’t defective?? When using the word “vile”, don’t you mean “appropriate human behavior” because, having instinctive feeling are what God gave us to help us differentiate between clean and wholesome, and degrading and contemptuous. Personally, I don’t give a rats ass about what two adult people do in private but, when that perversion is allowed to become a problem within our schools, and military that’s were the tolerance ends!
    Like most Obamcon sheeple, they’ve fed you a talking points lie that you’ve gobbled up, to the point that all you can do is regurgitate their weak argument without expressing your own thoughts. You might as well be Gay because you have been neutered.
     

  • Nature Freak

    Young people are leading the way!
    On a related subject:
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/gay-marriage-supported-by-us-majority-for-first-time-50381/“While the younger generation of Americans had always indicated more
    support for gay marriage compared to older generations, the latest poll
    revealed a whopping 16 percent increase over the last year among 18- to
    34-year-olds in support of letting homosexual couples wed.
    Seventy percent of the younger cohort said gays and lesbians should be able to marry. Last year, 54 percent said so.”

    Support for Gays in the military is showing a similar trend, but even higher percentages support military equality.

  • caconservative

    Just what is it your tying to tell us? Are you having problems opening that closet door? Don’t be afraid, after all, if you’ll bend-over for Obama, you’ll……..?  

  • Nature Freak

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/145130/support-repealing-dont-ask-dont-tell.aspx#2
    In December of 2010, 75 percent of 18 to 29 year old support Gays and Lesbians openly serving in the Armed forces. 19 percent were opposed.
    Youth again is leading the way!

  • caconservative

    Other than childrens deep emotional Psyche? Unnecessarily confusing children by exposing them to an unnatureal lifestyle. You mean like that???

  • Nature Freak

    So being GLBT is the equivalent of incestuous behavior?
    You hurt your cause big time.
    What is your orientation? I am curious.
    To me you sound like someone who is self hating.
    BTW, do you post at Free Republic?

  • Nature Freak

    caconservative unnecessarily confuses Americans with his homophobic tirades. People are not born haters. Should children be exposed to caconservative’s bigotry hate and bitterness? BTW, have you ever taken a wide stance?

  • expatpatriot

    What I’m trying to tell you is that your bigotry makes you less than human, and you are despised.

  • expatpatriot

    You could start off by keeping your god out of the discussion, unless this is now about fictional beings. The authority derived from fictional beings is minimal, at best.

    And by vile, I mean “vile,” as in “morally bad; wicked.”

    I’m in no position to determine (and don’t really care) whether you hear little voices in your head from your imagined sky-guy, feeding you clues about what’s supposed to disgust you. Suffice it to say that your definition of “wholesome” is entirely your own and has no relevance to any other person.

    And I’ll acknowledge that there are problems in schools and the military because filthy bigots can’t handle reality. But that’s a lousy reason for letting the bigots decide how to run your life, and sensible people aren’t going to let the bigots win.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, your tribe of peckersniffs is losing the battle.

    I’ve come to my point of view through decades of living among real human beings — gay, straight, and otherwise — and I’ll stack up my evolved morality against your troglodyte version any day of the week. For that matter, if you really think that being gay is equivalent to being desexed, you’re not only vile but wildly naive. Some of the most sexual beings I’ve ever know have been gay.

    And let’s be real — that’s what gives you the heebie-jeebies, right?

  • expatpatriot

    Relevant to bigots, fools, nutbags, and sheet-sniffers, perhaps. Sensible people have better things to worry about.

    And you’re seriously trying to tell me that the American military is incapable of following regulations? Why do you hate our soldiers?

  • expatpatriot

    Relevant to bigots, fools, nutbags, and sheet-sniffers, perhaps. Sensible people have better things to worry about.

    And you’re seriously trying to tell me that the American military is incapable of following regulations? Why do you hate our soldiers?

  • expatpatriot

    Trying to bend your bigotry into fact is likely to leave you with a dislocated elbow. Give it a rest.

    The “gay life style” is not abhorrent to heterosexuals except bigots like you. Most young people think that being homosexual is roughly equivalent to (and as meaningful as) being left-handed. It just doesn’t matter.

    Are there some yahoos among teenagers and twentysomethings for whom sexuality of any kind is more than they can handle? Sure. There are yahoos in that age range who are going to have difficulty handling any kind of military service requirements. That’s what discipline (and the exit door) are for. 

    Sorry you’ve found my personal attack on you to be cumbersome. I find that tearing someone a new one is best done with care. I can understand if you don’t have the attention span to put up with it, but I don’t really care. 

  • expatpatriot

    Trying to bend your bigotry into fact is likely to leave you with a dislocated elbow. Give it a rest.

    The “gay life style” is not abhorrent to heterosexuals except bigots like you. Most young people think that being homosexual is roughly equivalent to (and as meaningful as) being left-handed. It just doesn’t matter.

    Are there some yahoos among teenagers and twentysomethings for whom sexuality of any kind is more than they can handle? Sure. There are yahoos in that age range who are going to have difficulty handling any kind of military service requirements. That’s what discipline (and the exit door) are for. 

    Sorry you’ve found my personal attack on you to be cumbersome. I find that tearing someone a new one is best done with care. I can understand if you don’t have the attention span to put up with it, but I don’t really care. 

  • Anonymous

     Gotta go with bigotry here.

  • Anonymous

     Yes, we know you’re gay, you’ve made it quite obvious.

  • Anonymous

    Who?

  • Anonymous

    I think he’s saying the US military is inferior (by being unable to follow regulations) to the militaries of Israel, the UK, Australia, Canada, Germany, France, etc.

  • Anonymous

     Yes, animals like Homo sapiens, perfectly natural, thanks for agreeing with me!

  • expatpatriot

    That’s what he’s saying, yes. But what he really means is he can’t handle his own personal demons. We’re not talking a well-integrated personality here.

  • anon

    LOL at the Faggot

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