President Obama: Israel and Palestinians Must Negotiate On Basis Of 1967 Borders

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by Colby Hall | 1:42 pm, May 19th, 2011

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President Obama delivered a comprehensive speech on the Middle East today at the State Department that urged both Israeli and Palestinian leaders to ignore the unsustainable “status quo” in the troubled area and focus on negotiating peace based on the borders of 1967. This has been a key demand of Palestinians and will be viewed by many as something of a bombshell for those representing Israeli political interests both in the Middle East and in the American political landscape.

Obama’s speech comes on the day before Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to come to the White House to meet with the president, to ostensibly talk about Israeli security, continued U.S. support and, of course, the ever present issue of Mid-East peace talks. One wonders how Netanyahu will reach to this rather surprising position, and if this will drive Israeli further away from the negotiating table.

The key quote from Obama’s speech regarding the 1967 border:

So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, and a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.

Watch the portion of Obama’s speech on the Israel and Palestine borders below, courtesy of Fox News. The full text of Obama’s prepared statement follows the video, courtesy of National Journal:

Video from Fox News below:

I want to thank Hillary Clinton, who has traveled so much these last six months that she is approaching a new landmark – one million frequent flyer miles. I count on Hillary every day, and I believe that she will go down as of the finest Secretaries of State in our nation’s history.

The State Department is a fitting venue to mark a new chapter in American diplomacy. For six months, we have witnessed an extraordinary change take place in the Middle East and North Africa. Square by square; town by town; country by country; the people have risen up to demand their basic human rights. Two leaders have stepped aside. More may follow. And though these countries may be a great distance from our shores, we know that our own future is bound to this region by the forces of economics and security; history and faith.

Today, I would like to talk about this change – the forces that are driving it, and how we can respond in a way that advances our values and strengthens our security. Already, we have done much to shift our foreign policy following a decade defined by two costly conflicts. After years of war in Iraq, we have removed 100,000 American troops and ended our combat mission there. In Afghanistan, we have broken the Taliban’s momentum, and this July we will begin to bring our troops home and continue transition to Afghan lead. And after years of war against al Qaeda and its affiliates, we have dealt al Qaeda a huge blow by killing its leader – Osama bin Laden.

Bin Laden was no martyr. He was a mass murderer who offered a message of hate – an insistence that Muslims had to take up arms against the West, and that violence against men, women and children was the only path to change. He rejected democracy and individual rights for Muslims in favor of violent extremism; his agenda focused on what he could destroy – not what he could build.

Bin Laden and his murderous vision won some adherents. But even before his death, al Qaeda was losing its struggle for relevance, as the overwhelming majority of people saw that the slaughter of innocents did not answer their cries for a better life. By the time we found bin Laden, al Qaeda’s agenda had come to be seen by the vast majority of the region as a dead end, and the people of the Middle East and North Africa had taken their future into their own hands.

That story of self-determination began six months ago in Tunisia. On December 17, a young vendor named Mohammed Bouazizi was devastated when a police officer confiscated his cart. This was not unique. It is the same kind of humiliation that takes place every day in many parts of the world – the relentless tyranny of governments that deny their citizens dignity. Only this time, something different happened. After local officials refused to hear his complaint, this young man who had never been particularly active in politics went to the headquarters of the provincial government, doused himself in fuel, and lit himself on fire.

Sometimes, in the course of history, the actions of ordinary citizens spark movements for change because they speak to a longing for freedom that has built up for years. In America, think of the defiance of those patriots in Boston who refused to pay taxes to a King, or the dignity of Rosa Parks as she sat courageously in her seat. So it was in Tunisia, as that vendor’s act of desperation tapped into the frustration felt throughout the country. Hundreds of protesters took to the streets, then thousands. And in the face of batons and sometimes bullets, they refused to go home – day after day, week after week, until a dictator of more than two decades finally left power.

The story of this Revolution, and the ones that followed, should not have come as a surprise. The nations of the Middle East and North Africa won their independence long ago, but in too many places their people did not. In too many countries, power has been concentrated in the hands of the few. In too many countries, a citizen like that young vendor had nowhere to turn – no honest judiciary to hear his case; no independent media to give him voice; no credible political party to represent his views; no free and fair election where he could choose his leader.

This lack of self determination – the chance to make of your life what you will – has applied to the region’s economy as well. Yes, some nations are blessed with wealth in oil and gas, and that has led to pockets of prosperity. But in a global economy based on knowledge and innovation, no development strategy can be based solely upon what comes out of the ground. Nor can people reach their potential when you cannot start a business without paying a bribe.

In the face of these challenges, too many leaders in the region tried to direct their people’s grievances elsewhere. The West was blamed as the source of all ills, a half century after the end of colonialism. Antagonism toward Israel became the only acceptable outlet for political expression. Divisions of tribe, ethnicity and religious sect were manipulated as a means of holding on to power, or taking it away from somebody else.

But the events of the past six months show us that strategies of repression and diversion won’t work anymore. Satellite television and the Internet provide a window into the wider world – a world of astonishing progress in places like India, Indonesia and Brazil. Cell phones and social networks allow young people to connect and organize like never before. A new generation has emerged. And their voices tell us that change cannot be denied.

In Cairo, we heard the voice of the young mother who said, “It’s like I can finally breathe fresh air for the first time.”

In Sanaa, we heard the students who chanted, “The night must come to an end.”

In Benghazi, we heard the engineer who said, “Our words are free now. It’s a feeling you can’t explain.”

In Damascus, we heard the young man who said, “After the first yelling, the first shout, you feel dignity.”

Those shouts of human dignity are being heard across the region. And through the moral force of non-violence, the people of the region have achieved more change in six months than terrorists have accomplished in decades.

Of course, change of this magnitude does not come easily. In our day and age – a time of 24 hour news cycles, and constant communication – people expect the transformation of the region to be resolved in a matter of weeks. But it will be years before this story reaches its end. Along the way, there will be good days, and bad days. In some places, change will be swift; in others, gradual. And as we have seen, calls for change may give way to fierce contests for power.

The question before us is what role America will play as this story unfolds. For decades, the United States has pursued a set of core interests in the region: countering terrorism and stopping the spread of nuclear weapons; securing the free flow of commerce, and safe-guarding the security of the region; standing up for Israel’s security and pursuing Arab-Israeli peace.

We will continue to do these things, with the firm belief that America’s interests are not hostile to peoples’ hopes; they are essential to them. We believe that no one benefits from a nuclear arms race in the region, or al Qaeda’s brutal attacks. People everywhere would see their economies crippled by a cut off in energy supplies. As we did in the Gulf War, we will not tolerate aggression across borders, and we will keep our commitments to friends and partners.

Yet we must acknowledge that a strategy based solely upon the narrow pursuit of these interests will not fill an empty stomach or allow someone to speak their mind. Moreover, failure to speak to the broader aspirations of ordinary people will only feed the suspicion that has festered for years that the United States pursues our own interests at their expense. Given that this mistrust runs both ways – as Americans have been seared by hostage taking, violent rhetoric, and terrorist attacks that have killed thousands of our citizens – a failure to change our approach threatens a deepening spiral of division between the United States and Muslim communities.

That’s why, two years ago in Cairo, I began to broaden our engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect. I believed then – and I believe now – that we have a stake not just in the stability of nations, but in the self determination of individuals. The status quo is not sustainable. Societies held together by fear and repression may offer the illusion of stability for a time, but they are built upon fault lines that will eventually tear asunder.

So we face an historic opportunity. We have embraced the chance to show that America values the dignity of the street vendor in Tunisia more than the raw power of the dictator. There must be no doubt that the United States of America welcomes change that advances self-determination and opportunity. Yes, there will be perils that accompany this moment of promise. But after decades of accepting the world as it is in the region, we have a chance to pursue the world as it should be.

As we do, we must proceed with a sense of humility. It is not America that put people into the streets of Tunis and Cairo – it was the people themselves who launched these movements, and must determine their outcome. Not every country will follow our particular form of representative democracy, and there will be times when our short term interests do not align perfectly with our long term vision of the region. But we can – and will – speak out for a set of core principles – principles that have guided our response to the events over the past six months:

The United States opposes the use of violence and repression against the people of the region.

We support a set of universal rights. Those rights include free speech; the freedom of peaceful assembly; freedom of religion; equality for men and women under the rule of law; and the right to choose your own leaders – whether you live in Baghdad or Damascus; Sanaa or Tehran.

And finally, we support political and economic reform in the Middle East and North Africa that can meet the legitimate aspirations of ordinary people throughout the region.

Our support for these principles is not a secondary interest– today I am making it clear that it is a top priority that must be translated into concrete actions, and supported by all of the diplomatic, economic and strategic tools at our disposal.

Let me be specific. First, it will be the policy of the United States to promote reform across the region, and to support transitions to democracy.

That effort begins in Egypt and Tunisia, where the stakes are high –as Tunisia was at the vanguard of this democratic wave, and Egypt is both a longstanding partner and the Arab World’s largest nation. Both nations can set a strong example through free and fair elections; a vibrant civil society; accountable and effective democratic institutions; and responsible regional leadership. But our support must also extend to nations where transitions have yet to take place.

Unfortunately, in too many countries, calls for change have been answered by violence. The most extreme example is Libya, where Moammar Gaddafi launched a war against his people, promising to hunt them down like rats. As I said when the United States joined an international coalition to intervene, we cannot prevent every injustice perpetrated by a regime against its people, and we have learned from our experience in Iraq just how costly and difficult it is to impose regime change by force – no matter how well-intended it may be.

But in Libya, we saw the prospect of imminent massacre, had a mandate for action, and heard the Libyan people’s call for help. Had we not acted along with our NATO allies and regional coalition partners, thousands would have been killed. The message would have been clear: keep power by killing as many people as it takes. Now, time is working against Gaddafi. He does not have control over his country. The opposition has organized a legitimate and credible Interim Council. And when Gaddafi inevitably leaves or is forced from power, decades of provocation will come to an end, and the transition to a democratic Libya can proceed.

While Libya has faced violence on the greatest scale, it is not the only place where leaders have turned to repression to remain in power. Most recently, the Syrian regime has chosen the path of murder and the mass arrests of its citizens. The United States has condemned these actions, and working with the international community we have stepped up our sanctions on the Syrian regime – including sanctions announced yesterday on President Assad and those around him.

The Syrian people have shown their courage in demanding a transition to democracy. President Assad now has a choice: he can lead that transition, or get out of the way. The Syrian government must stop shooting demonstrators and allow peaceful protests; release political prisoners and stop unjust arrests; allow human rights monitors to have access to cities like Dara’a; and start a serious dialogue to advance a democratic transition. Otherwise, President Assad and his regime will continue to be challenged from within and isolated abroad

Thus far, Syria has followed its Iranian ally, seeking assistance from Tehran in the tactics of suppression. This speaks to the hypocrisy of the Iranian regime, which says it stand for the rights of protesters abroad, yet suppresses its people at home. Let us remember that the first peaceful protests were in the streets of Tehran, where the government brutalized women and men, and threw innocent people into jail. We still hear the chants echo from the rooftops of Tehran. The image of a young woman dying in the streets is still seared in our memory. And we will continue to insist that the Iranian people deserve their universal rights, and a government that does not smother their aspirations.

Our opposition to Iran’s intolerance – as well as its illicit nuclear program, and its sponsorship of terror – is well known. But if America is to be credible, we must acknowledge that our friends in the region have not all reacted to the demands for change consistent with the principles that I have outlined today. That is true in Yemen, where President Saleh needs to follow through on his commitment to transfer power. And that is true, today, in Bahrain.

Bahrain is a long-standing partner, and we are committed to its security. We recognize that Iran has tried to take advantage of the turmoil there, and that the Bahraini government has a legitimate interest in the rule of law. Nevertheless, we have insisted publically and privately that mass arrests and brute force are at odds with the universal rights of Bahrain’s citizens, and will not make legitimate calls for reform go away. The only way forward is for the government and opposition to engage in a dialogue, and you can’t have a real dialogue when parts of the peaceful opposition are in jail. The government must create the conditions for dialogue, and the opposition must participate to forge a just future for all Bahrainis.

Indeed, one of the broader lessons to be drawn from this period is that sectarian divides need not lead to conflict. In Iraq, we see the promise of a multi-ethnic, multi-sectarian democracy. There, the Iraqi people have rejected the perils of political violence for a democratic process, even as they have taken full responsibility for their own security. Like all new democracies, they will face setbacks. But Iraq is poised to play a key role in the region if it continues its peaceful progress. As they do, we will be proud to stand with them as a steadfast partner.

So in the months ahead, America must use all our influence to encourage reform in the region. Even as we acknowledge that each country is different, we will need to speak honestly about the principles that we believe in, with friend and foe alike. Our message is simple: if you take the risks that reform entails, you will have the full support of the United States. We must also build on our efforts to broaden our engagement beyond elites, so that we reach the people who will shape the future – particularly young people.

We will continue to make good on the commitments that I made in Cairo – to build networks of entrepreneurs, and expand exchanges in education; to foster cooperation in science and technology, and combat disease. Across the region, we intend to provide assistance to civil society, including those that may not be officially sanctioned, and who speak uncomfortable truths. And we will use the technology to connect with – and listen to – the voices of the people.

In fact, real reform will not come at the ballot box alone. Through our efforts we must support those basic rights to speak your mind and access information. We will support open access to the Internet, and the right of journalists to be heard – whether it’s a big news organization or a blogger. In the 21st century, information is power; the truth cannot be hidden; and the legitimacy of governments will ultimately depend on active and informed citizens.

Such open discourse is important even if what is said does not square with our worldview. America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard, even if we disagree with them. We look forward to working with all who embrace genuine and inclusive democracy. What we will oppose is an attempt by any group to restrict the rights of others, and to hold power through coercion – not consent. Because democracy depends not only on elections, but also strong and accountable institutions, and respect for the rights of minorities.

Such tolerance is particularly important when it comes to religion. In Tahrir Square, we heard Egyptians from all walks of life chant, “Muslims, Christians, we are one.” America will work to see that this spirit prevails – that all faiths are respected, and that bridges are built among them. In a region that was the birthplace of three world religions, intolerance can lead only to suffering and stagnation. And for this season of change to succeed, Coptic Christians must have the right to worship freely in Cairo, just as Shia must never have their mosques destroyed in Bahrain.

What is true for religious minorities is also true when it comes to the rights of women. History shows that countries are more prosperous and peaceful when women are empowered. That is why we will continue to insist that universal rights apply to women as well as men – by focusing assistance on child and maternal health; by helping women to teach, or start a business; by standing up for the right of women to have their voices heard, and to run for office. For the region will never reach its potential when more than half its population is prevented from achieving their potential.

Even as we promote political reform and human rights in the region, our efforts cannot stop there. So the second way that we must support positive change in the region is through our efforts to advance economic development for nations that transition to democracy.

After all, politics alone has not put protesters into the streets. The tipping point for so many people is the more constant concern of putting food on the table and providing for a family. Too many in the region wake up with few expectations other than making it through the day, and perhaps the hope that their luck will change. Throughout the region, many young people have a solid education, but closed economies leave them unable to find a job. Entrepreneurs are brimming with ideas, but corruption leaves them unable to profit from them.

The greatest untapped resource in the Middle East and North Africa is the talent of its people. In the recent protests, we see that talent on display, as people harness technology to move the world. It’s no coincidence that one of the leaders of Tahrir Square was an executive for Google. That energy now needs to be channeled, in country after country, so that economic growth can solidify the accomplishments of the street. Just as democratic revolutions can be triggered by a lack of individual opportunity, successful democratic transitions depend upon an expansion of growth and broad-based prosperity.

Drawing from what we’ve learned around the world, we think it’s important to focus on trade, not just aid; and investment, not just assistance. The goal must be a model in which protectionism gives way to openness; the reigns of commerce pass from the few to the many, and the economy generates jobs for the young. America’s support for democracy will therefore be based on ensuring financial stability; promoting reform; and integrating competitive markets with each other and the global economy – starting with Tunisia and Egypt.

First, we have asked the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund to present a plan at next week’s G-8 summit for what needs to be done to stabilize and modernize the economies of Tunisia and Egypt. Together, we must help them recover from the disruption of their democratic upheaval, and support the governments that will be elected later this year. And we are urging other countries to help Egypt and Tunisia meet its near-term financial needs.

Second, we do not want a democratic Egypt to be saddled by the debts of its past. So we will relieve a democratic Egypt of up to $1 billion in debt, and work with our Egyptian partners to invest these resources to foster growth and entrepreneurship. We will help Egypt regain access to markets by guaranteeing $1 billion in borrowing that is needed to finance infrastructure and job creation. And we will help newly democratic governments recover assets that were stolen.

Third, we are working with Congress to create Enterprise Funds to invest in Tunisia and Egypt. These will be modeled on funds that supported the transitions in Eastern Europe after the fall of the Berlin Wall. OPIC will soon launch a $2 billion facility to support private investment across the region. And we will work with allies to refocus the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development so that it provides the same support for democratic transitions and economic modernization in the Middle East and North Africa as it has in Europe.

Fourth, the United States will launch a comprehensive Trade and Investment Partnership Initiative in the Middle East and North Africa. If you take out oil exports, this region of over 400 million people exports roughly the same amount as Switzerland. So we will work with the EU to facilitate more trade within the region, build on existing agreements to promote integration with U.S. and European markets, and open the door for those countries who adopt high standards of reform and trade liberalization to construct a regional trade arrangement. Just as EU membership served as an incentive for reform in Europe, so should the vision of a modern and prosperous economy create a powerful force for reform in the Middle East and North Africa.

Prosperity also requires tearing down walls that stand in the way of progress – the corruption of elites who steal from their people; the red tape that stops an idea from becoming a business; the patronage that distributes wealth based on tribe or sect. We will help governments meet international obligations, and invest efforts anti-corruption; by working with parliamentarians who are developing reforms, and activists who use technology to hold government accountable.

Let me conclude by talking about another cornerstone of our approach to the region, and that relates to the pursuit of peace.

For decades, the conflict between Israelis and Arabs has cast a shadow over the region. For Israelis, it has meant living with the fear that their children could get blown up on a bus or by rockets fired at their homes, as well as the pain of knowing that other children in the region are taught to hate them. For Palestinians, it has meant suffering the humiliation of occupation, and never living in a nation of their own. Moreover, this conflict has come with a larger cost the Middle East, as it impedes partnerships that could bring greater security, prosperity, and empowerment to ordinary people.

My Administration has worked with the parties and the international community for over two years to end this conflict, yet expectations have gone unmet. Israeli settlement activity continues. Palestinians have walked away from talks. The world looks at a conflict that has grinded on for decades, and sees a stalemate. Indeed, there are those who argue that with all the change and uncertainty in the region, it is simply not possible to move forward.

I disagree. At a time when the people of the Middle East and North Africa are casting off the burdens of the past, the drive for a lasting peace that ends the conflict and resolves all claims is more urgent than ever.

For the Palestinians, efforts to delegitimize Israel will end in failure. Symbolic actions to isolate Israel at the United Nations in September won’t create an independent state. Palestinian leaders will not achieve peace or prosperity if Hamas insists on a path of terror and rejection. And Palestinians will never realize their independence by denying the right of Israel to exist.

As for Israel, our friendship is rooted deeply in a shared history and shared values. Our commitment to Israel’s security is unshakeable. And we will stand against attempts to single it out for criticism in international forums. But precisely because of our friendship, it is important that we tell the truth: the status quo is unsustainable, and Israel too must act boldly to advance a lasting peace.

The fact is, a growing number of Palestinians live west of the Jordan River. Technology will make it harder for Israel to defend itself. A region undergoing profound change will lead to populism in which millions of people – not just a few leaders – must believe peace is possible. The international community is tired of an endless process that never produces an outcome. The dream of a Jewish and democratic state cannot be fulfilled with permanent occupation.

Ultimately, it is up to Israelis and Palestinians to take action. No peace can be imposed upon them, nor can endless delay make the problem go away. But what America and the international community can do is state frankly what everyone knows: a lasting peace will involve two states for two peoples. Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people; each state enjoying self-determination, mutual recognition, and peace.

So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, and a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.

As for security, every state has the right to self-defense, and Israel must be able to defend itself – by itself – against any threat. Provisions must also be robust enough to prevent a resurgence of terrorism; to stop the infiltration of weapons; and to provide effective border security. The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarized state. The duration of this transition period must be agreed, and the effectiveness of security arrangements must be demonstrated.

These principles provide a foundation for negotiations. Palestinians should know the territorial outlines of their state; Israelis should know that their basic security concerns will be met. I know that these steps alone will not resolve this conflict. Two wrenching and emotional issues remain: the future of Jerusalem, and the fate of Palestinian refugees. But moving forward now on the basis of territory and security provides a foundation to resolve those two issues in a way that is just and fair, and that respects the rights and aspirations of Israelis and Palestinians.

Recognizing that negotiations need to begin with the issues of territory and security does not mean that it will be easy to come back to the table. In particular, the recent announcement of an agreement between Fatah and Hamas raises profound and legitimate questions for Israel – how can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist. In the weeks and months to come, Palestinian leaders will have to provide a credible answer to that question. Meanwhile, the United States, our Quartet partners, and the Arab states will need to continue every effort to get beyond the current impasse.

I recognize how hard this will be. Suspicion and hostility has been passed on for generations, and at times it has hardened. But I’m convinced that the majority of Israelis and Palestinians would rather look to the future than be trapped in the past. We see that spirit in the Israeli father whose son was killed by Hamas, who helped start an organization that brought together Israelis and Palestinians who had lost loved ones. He said, “I gradually realized that the only hope for progress was to recognize the face of the conflict.” And we see it in the actions of a Palestinian who lost three daughters to Israeli shells in Gaza. “I have the right to feel angry,” he said. “So many people were expecting me to hate. My answer to them is I shall not hate…Let us hope,” he said, “for tomorrow”

That is the choice that must be made – not simply in this conflict, but across the entire region – a choice between hate and hope; between the shackles of the past, and the promise of the future. It’s a choice that must be made by leaders and by people, and it’s a choice that will define the future of a region that served as the cradle of civilization and a crucible of strife.

For all the challenges that lie ahead, we see many reasons to be hopeful. In Egypt, we see it in the efforts of young people who led protests. In Syria, we see it in the courage of those who brave bullets while chanting, ‘peaceful,’ ‘peaceful.’ In Benghazi, a city threatened with destruction, we see it in the courthouse square where people gather to celebrate the freedoms that they had never known. Across the region, those rights that we take for granted are being claimed with joy by those who are prying lose the grip of an iron fist.

For the American people, the scenes of upheaval in the region may be unsettling, but the forces driving it are not unfamiliar. Our own nation was founded through a rebellion against an empire. Our people fought a painful civil war that extended freedom and dignity to those who were enslaved. And I would not be standing here today unless past generations turned to the moral force of non-violence as a way to perfect our union – organizing, marching, and protesting peacefully together to make real those words that declared our nation: “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.”

Those words must guide our response to the change that is transforming the Middle East and North Africa – words which tell us that repression will fail, that tyrants will fall, and that every man and woman is endowed with certain inalienable rights. It will not be easy. There is no straight line to progress, and hardship always accompanies a season of hope. But the United States of America was founded on the belief that people should govern themselves. Now, we cannot hesitate to stand squarely on the side of those who are reaching for their rights, knowing that their success will bring about a world that is more peaceful, more stable, and more just.

barack obama, Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel, middle east, Palestine, Peace Talks, Two State Solution

Oregon Conservative

Netanyahu needs to cancel his visit with this Muslim.

I hate you Obama and I stand with Israel!
greg454

You had to copy and paste his entire speech? Really Mediate? Why not rewrite your headline to “Obama, I love you.” Either way, this is proof that Obama hates Israel. Hey Barry, who attacked Israel in 1967? The arabs! And it wasn’t the first time neither. By the way, should the US return Texas, California, Nevada and Arizona to Mexico? I don’t think so.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/
TeaPartyPatriot

One really has to wonder why American jews, who certainly are fully committed lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists, continue to worship You Lie!” hussein, who is indisputably the most anti-Semitic politician since the Third Reich. Are they really THAT mentally warped and WITHOUT ANY INTEREST IN SELF-PRESERVATION ?
Black and Gold Brad

Well, now that The One has speechified, I suppose that Mid-East peace is about to blossom.
A.R.

Oregon Conservative said:
Netanyahu needs to cancel his visit with this Muslim.

I hate you Obama and I stand with Israel!

fairness is the only thing that will bring peace…palestinians have rights too
felixw

Okay, Obama has imposed sanctions on Syria. He is bombing Libya. He is lecturing Israel. He pushed for regime change in Egypt. He is sending hit teams and drone missiles into Pakistan. He still has troops in Iraq. He has ramped up military activities in Afghanistan.

Yet he doesn’t lift a finger to halt the one country in the region — IRAN! — that poses the biggest threat to regional security. What a strange foreign policy, in which everyone else is bullied, bombed and berated, except the one that deserves it most.

I often disagree with Obama, but in this instance I can’t even understand him. His foreign policy is the most incoherent mishmash of conflicting agendas in American history. Just as incompetent as Carter, but far stranger….
Liberal Tormentor

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!! NOT!
Alz

Let’s see, the Palestinians want Israel destroyed – at least that’s what they have said for DECADES. Obama couldn’t be more wrong.
Azarkhan

Great! This should weaken Jewish support for the Democratic Party and help Conservatives in 2012.
ElCapitanAmerica

What’s the change in policy here?

The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.

According to the AP the previous position sounds exactly like the “new” one;
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110519/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_mideast_palestinians_1

Until Thursday, the U.S. position had been that the Palestinian goal of a state based on the 1967 borders, with agreed land swaps, should be reconciled with Israel’s desire for a secure Jewish state through negotiations.
Alz

Azarkhan said:
Great! This should weaken Jewish support for the Democratic Party and help Conservatives in 2012.

The problem is it seems a lot of US Jews are liberals first. Why did they vote for Obama in the first place? ….the signs that Obama is anti-Western Civilization and anti-Israel have been there all along.
Fokker News

You mean Obama isn’t taking the “End-Times” position of the likes of Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee?
tatboy

Kiss the Jewish vote goodby.
Tony the Fist

You gotta love the reform going on in the Middle East. No longer will they follow the “Death to America—Push Israel in the Sea” party. They are now the “Death to the U.S.—Send Israel to Hell” party. Get out the balloons and streamers. Can’t wait to see the article in Jewish World Review on this one.
Alz

felixw said:
Okay, Obama has imposed sanctions on Syria. He is bombing Libya. He is lecturing Israel. He pushed for regime change in Egypt. He is sending hit teams and drone missiles into Pakistan. He still has troops in Iraq. He has ramped up military activities in Afghanistan.

Yet he doesn’t lift a finger to halt the one country in the region — IRAN! — that poses the biggest threat to regional security. What a strange foreign policy, in which everyone else is bullied, bombed and berated, except the one that deserves it most.

I often disagree with Obama, but in this instance I can’t even understand him. His foreign policy is the most incoherent mishmash of conflicting agendas in American history. Just as incompetent as Carter, but far stranger….

Iran and a form of the Muslim Brotherhood will be running the Mideast – that’s his plan.
A.R.

felixw said:
Okay, Obama has imposed sanctions on Syria. He is bombing Libya. He is lecturing Israel. He pushed for regime change in Egypt. He is sending hit teams and drone missiles into Pakistan. He still has troops in Iraq. He has ramped up military activities in Afghanistan.

Yet he doesn’t lift a finger to halt the one country in the region — IRAN! — that poses the biggest threat to regional security. What a strange foreign policy, in which everyone else is bullied, bombed and berated, except the one that deserves it most.

I often disagree with Obama, but in this instance I can’t even understand him. His foreign policy is the most incoherent mishmash of conflicting agendas in American history. Just as incompetent as Carter, but far stranger….

the left didnt understand why bush let north korea become a nuclear state either…

but on iran…maybe they dont pose as much of a threat as you think? the region won’t let the only shia state rise…you saw what happened in bahrain…saudi arabia got involved cus it couldve become the second shia state…
Harry Flashman

Remember the good old days when all those liberal Jewish donors contributed generously to Obama and his cronies?

I wonder just how many of those generous donors will be reconsidering their generosity after this travesty?

Ah, the good old days when liberal people actually believed his bullshit. Sort of brings a tear to your eye, doesn’t it? No?

Just wondering.
winning

So Obama takes the side of Hamas over Israel, just in time to take a big steamer on Netanyahu who’s scheduled to visit The White House tomorrow, gosh, what a surprise. Certainly hope that Netanuyahu does the right thing, and tells this little punk ass doughnut puncher to eat shit.
Kitsune

ElCapitanAmerica said:
What’s the change in policy here? According to the AP the previous position sounds exactly like the “new” one;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110519/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_mideast_palestinians_1

The change is that Obama is now saying “No negotiations, this is how it’s going to be, Israel.”
Barack Must Go

ElCapitanAmerica said:
What’s the change in policy here?

According to the AP the previous position sounds exactly like the “new” one;
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110519/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_mideast_palestinians_1

Go back and read what your link states by the A/P, then come back and make your apologies and corrections
Mosesdinoark

Fokker News said:
You mean Obama isn’t taking the “End-Times” position of the likes of Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee?

Its all over Saturday anyway. Or didnt you hear about Family Radio? Gods talking to them so it must be real.
ElCapitanAmerica

Kitsune said:
The change is that Obama is now saying “No negotiations, this is how it’s going to be, Israel.”

I thought the “agreed land swaps” was the negotiated part …
Barack Must Go

Obama is going to get us all killed with his shucking and jiving on US Middle East policy.
DaTruth

Hmm…maybe we should cede Texas back to Mexico, give back Native American lands, and while we’re at it, perhaps we should pledge allegiance to mother England. Oh sorry — lost my mind for a moment. I was thinking that these things would be consistent with what Obama is saying re: Israel.

I guess these types of pronouncements only apply to Israel, however. Hey, why not go back another 20 years and say that Israel doesn’t even legitimately exist?
winning

Fokker News said:
You mean Obama isn’t taking the “End-Times” position of the likes of Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee?

No, but he is kind of taking the “try to get as mentally retarded as Fokker” position with today’s speech.
Liberal Tormentor

Alz, don’t you know talk of a Muslim calaphate is crazy talk?
Azarkhan

A.R. said:
the left didnt understand why bush let north korea become a nuclear state either…

LOL. Just because you are ignorant, please don’t assume everyone else is.
tatboy

DaTruth said:
Hmm…maybe we should cede Texas back to Mexico, give back Native American lands, and while we’re at it, perhaps we should pledge allegiance to mother England. Oh sorry — lost my mind for a moment. I was thinking that these things would be consistent with what Obama is saying re: Israel. I guess these types of pronouncements only apply to Israel, however. Hey, why not go back another 20 years and say that Israel doesn’t even legitimately exist?

Can we give back “New England” to the Brits?
winning

DaTruth said:
I guess these types of pronouncements only apply to Israel, however. Hey, why not go back another 20 years and say that Israel doesn’t even legitimately exist?

We should give Rome back to the Etruscans.
Mosesdinoark

Barack Must Go said:
Obama is going to get us all killed with his shucking and jiving on US Middle East policy.

First…nice racist dog whistles…second..how exactly?
Mosesdinoark

winning said:
No, but he is kind of taking the “try to get as mentally retarded as Fokker” position with today’s speech.

Gasp…didnt you here Bristol…I mean $arah has a retarded baby??? How dare you???!!!
winning

Mosesdinoark said:
First…nice racist dog whistles

Second, nice chic leftist talking point. What a douche.
im_lovin_it

OH NO!! HOW COULD HE DO THIS!!?!?! You trolls are so ridiculous.

Gee, I wonder what they’ll say in the Middle East:

Jews: F*ck off, Barry.

Palestinians: Ditto.
winning

Mosesdinoark said:
Gasp…didnt you here Bristol

Don’t care, and you obviously don’t either, so what’s your point, idiot?
Mosesdinoark

Barack Must Go said:
Obama is going to get us all killed with his shucking and jiving on US Middle East policy.

So Israel will atatck us? I thought they were our friends…Well with friends like these…
Mosesdinoark

winning said:
Don’t care, and you obviously don’t either, so what’s your point, idiot?

Sorry…thought we couldnt use the “R” word anymore.
Girth Brick

TeaPartyPatriot said:
One really has to wonder why American jews, who certainly are fully committed lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists, continue to worship You Lie!” hussein, who is indisputably the most anti-Semitic politician since the Third Reich. Are they really THAT mentally warped and WITHOUT ANY INTEREST IN SELF-PRESERVATION ?

Because the GOP is Neo-Fascist and every Neo-Nazi in this country hates Jews and other minorities.
Mosesdinoark

winning said:
No, but he is kind of taking the “try to get as mentally retarded as Fokker” position with today’s speech.

Now youve gone and made Twig and $arah cry. Todd..probably not…he gettn giggy in an igloo with an eskimo.
A.R.

Azarkhan said:
LOL. Just because you are ignorant, please don’t assume everyone else is.

bitch stfu
Liberal Tormentor

Obama 2008: Not US Job to Dictate Form a Future Palestinian State Will Look Like. 2011: Israel Must Return to 1967 Borders…

Which is it, Barry?
ElCapitanAmerica

Once again, can somebody point out what is the change of direction in this speech?

Hint; the president said 1967 lines not borders people.
Kitsune

Liberal Tormentor said:
Obama 2008: Not US Job to Dictate Form a Future Palestinian State Will Look Like. 2011: Israel Must Return to 1967 Borders… Which is it, Barry?

Whichever will get the Brownshirts who spend their lives protesting more fired up to round up the vote for him.
ElCapitanAmerica

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/nothing-new-in-the-idea-that-67-borders-should-guide-peace-talks-updated/239162/

I’m amazed at the amount of insta-commentary out there suggesting that the President has proposed something radical and new by declaring that Israel’s 1967 borders should define — with land-swaps — the borders of a Palestinian state. I’m feeling a certain Groundhog Day effect here. This has been the basic idea for at least 12 years. This is what Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat were talking about at Camp David, and later, at Taba. This is what George W. Bush was talking about with Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert. So what’s the huge deal here? Is there any non-delusional Israeli who doesn’t think that the 1967 border won’t serve as the rough outline of the new Palestinian state?
lionpup1

When Obama made his first trip as President to the Olympic committee to request the olympics here, and failed, I began the countdown to vote him out of office. Of course, when he won the Nobel Prize for getting up in the morning, I fainted, but never lost count.
ElCapitanAmerica

More;

UPDATE: Here is what Hillary Clinton said in 2009: “We believe that through good-faith negotiations the parties can mutually agree on an outcome which ends the conflict and reconciles the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state based on the 1967 lines, with agreed swaps, and the Israeli goal of a Jewish state with secure and recognized borders that reflect subsequent developments and meet Israeli security requirements.”
Liberal Tormentor

ElCaptain, why did Obama says it’s not up to us to decide what a Palestinian state will look like in 2008?
winning

Mosesdinoark said:
Now youve gone and made Twig and $arah cry. Todd..probably not…he gettn giggy in an igloo with an eskimo.

Keep your day job, homes.
ElCapitanAmerica

No idea, please send the quote if you have it.

What I’m trying to figure out is what is the change people are complaining about, I don’t see it. Also, the president, like Hillary in 2009, said 1967 lines which doesn’t mean pre 1967 borders, that’s a BIG difference. It seems the AP article screwed up and everybody is picking it up the wrong way!
BarneyFranken

Girth Brick said:
Because the GOP is Neo-Fascist and every Neo-Nazi in this country hates Jews and other minorities.

Girth is obviously a Neo-Idiot. And I say that with all due Neo-Respect.
TangledThorns

Worst… president… ever… Have we ever had a president that was so anti-Israel?!?
Barack Must Go

Mosesdinoark said:
So Israel will atatck us? I thought they were our friends…Well with friends like these…

Not quite. The Israeli people are more like ” real ” Americana than you degenerate libs.
RichS

greg454 said:
You had to copy and paste his entire speech? Really Mediate? Why not rewrite your headline to “Obama, I love you.” Either way, this is proof that Obama hates Israel. Hey Barry, who attacked Israel in 1967? The arabs! And it wasn’t the first time neither. By the way, should the US return Texas, California, Nevada and Arizona to Mexico? I don’t think so.http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

You are entirely missing President Obama’s point. It is one commonly held by the left. If country A invades country B and the intent of country A is to wipe country B off the map then, if country A’s attack is stopped and country A’s troops are pushed back to new borders you must return that land to country A after the war. If that didn’t happen what incentive would country A have to attack again?

It goes hand in hand with the leftest philosophy that says we have to put burdens on the producers and take their profits so we can take care of the non-producers.

You see how that works, don’t you? President Obama is faith to these points.
Girth Brick

BarneyFranken said:
Girth is obviously a Neo-Idiot. And I say that with all due Neo-Respect.

You no doubt have a swastika pasted on your David Duke blow-up doll.
Mosesdinoark

Barack Must Go said:
Not quite. The Israeli people are more like ” real ” Americana than you degenerate libs.

Ha. Right! Or do you mean billions of Ameicans tax $$ in foreign aid and access to American military technology?

Or is it really just to protect the holy land for when jesus returns?
tiredofbs

Barack Must Go said:
Not quite. The Israeli people are more like ” real ” Americana than you degenerate libs.

Truer words have not been spoken..Frame that, take it to the bank & lets talk 10 years from now.
THEY may be our saviors in this the worst time in US History..Who-’d-a-thunked-it???
Soros who pulls Obamaos strings, has severely underestimated the POWER of Israelis
in vote & influence.

Kinda makes that “silly clown” Glenn Beck seem like a a breath of Spring fresh air
in a field of toxic garbage
valkyrie101

RichS said:
It goes hand in hand with the leftest philosophy that says we have to put burdens on the producers and take their profits so we can take care of the non-producers

Of course all the production has been moved to China and the non-producers are those U.S. workers who’s jobs were exported.
http://TheDividedStatesBlog.com Publius219

Barack Must Go said:
Not quite. The Israeli people are more like ” real ” Americana than you degenerate libs.

You must be one of those Israel-first “Americans”
valkyrie101

RichS said:
ou are entirely missing President Obama’s point. It is one commonly held by the left. If country A invades country B and the intent of country A is to wipe country B off the map then, if country A’s attack is stopped and country A’s troops are pushed back to new borders you must return that land to country A after the war. If that didn’t happen what incentive would country A have to attack again?

Would it be relevent if country B originally took its land by war from country A?
Mosesdinoark

tiredofbs said:
BR>THEY may be our saviors in this the worst time in US History..Who-’d-a-thunked-it???

And how would this be exactly. Try to explain without saying how dumb I am because I clearly do not understand how they are “saving” us?
Barack Must Go

Mosesdinoark said:
First…nice racist dog whistles…second..how exactly?

The muslim prince ( Barack Obama ) comes out from hiding under his bed, high on his own stench from his ( I personally shot Osama ) fantasy he still keeps play over and and over again in that melon head of his.

He does this to make another of his inflamatory islamic pep rallye ” Death To Israel ” speeches, whereby he blindsides Israel AGAIN by ordering them to return ALL land annexed in the 1967 war to the Hamas led Palistinians.

He did this ( purposely ) on the day before Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was to arrive in Washington to meet with him.

This is going to directly affect the safety and well being of America, as well as us ” real ” Americans, as the barbaric muslim cult of personality mistakenly take everything the muslim prince states as a sign of weakness of ” real ” Americans, not just the inhabitants of Barack Obama’s amerika.

This pattern of deliberate defiance by this racist living in our White House is quickly becoming old & tired.

He showed the same level of hatred and belligerence toward white folks, American police officers and widows and children of white police officers slain by radical blacks when he, just one week earlier,invited a black activist rapper, who is intimately involved in two of these cases into our White House on the very eve of the ” Police Day ” held in Washington every year.

These widows and fellow officers gathered to honor their slain brethren and family members, a gathering Obama refused to attend, instead opting to play golf.

It’s time to wake up ” real ” America. We have a ” Clear & Present ” danger operating his own covert Anti – American regime directly out of our White House.
tiredofbs

Girth Brick said:
Girth Brick says:
May 19, 2011 at 2:56 pm (Quote)
Thumb up 0 Thu

Any air holes in that basement?
Mommy made u fish sticks upstairs ,
now, step away from Media Matters screen
slowly and run along
Mosesdinoark

tiredofbs said:
THEY may be our saviors in this the worst time in US History..Who-’d-a-thunked-it

And why do you think America is so weak that you need Israel to save us? Wheres all that American exceptionalism you Repugs are proud of?
Cecelia

I’m all for respecting Israel’s borders.

Now, if only the president was for respecting the borders of the U.S.A.
ElCapitanAmerica

TangledThorns said:
Worst… president… ever… Have we ever had a president that was so anti-Israel?!?

Can you explain what has changed in our policy towards Israel?
tiredofbs

Mosesdinoark said:
Try to explain without saying**** how dumb I am ****because I clearly do not understand
how they are “saving” us?

Not possible
Colorado_Conservative

What still amazes me is that 75% of the Jews in America voted for Obama!!!
Did they not know Obama is not a friend of Israel?
WTF were they thinking?..or not thinking?

Did they actually believe Obama when he promised he would stop Iran from going Nuclear if he were elected?

Why are so many people so gullible to believe ANYTHING Obama says?
Mosesdinoark

Barack Must Go said:
The muslim prince ( Barack Obama ) comes out from hiding under his bed, high on his own stench from his ( I personally shot Osama ) fantasy he still keeps play over and and over again in that melon head of his. He does this to make another of his inflamatory islamic pep rallye ” Death To Israel ” speeches, whereby he blindsides Israel AGAIN by ordering them to return ALL land annexed in the 1967 war to the Hamas led Palistinians. He did this ( purposely ) on the day before Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was to arrive in Washington to meet with him. This is going to directly affect the safety and well being of America, as well as us ” real ” Americans, as the barbaric muslim cult of personality mistakenly take everything the muslim prince states as a sign of weakness of ” real ” Americans, not just the inhabitants of Barack Obama’s amerika. This pattern of deliberate defiance by this racist living in our White House is quickly becoming old & tired. He showed the same level of hatred and belligerence toward white folks, American police officers and widows and children of white police officers slain by radical blacks when he, just one week earlier,invited a black activist rapper, who is intimately involved in two of these cases into our White House on the very eve of the ” Police Day ” held in Washington every year. These widows and fellow officers gathered to honor their slain brethren and family members, a gathering Obama refused to attend, instead opting to play golf. It’s time to wake up ” real ” America. We have a ” Clear & Present ” danger operating his own covert Anti – American regime directly out of our White House.

Het..theres a hole in your tinfoil hat…
Mosesdinoark

Colorado_Conservative said:
<P when he promised he would stop Iran from going Nuclear if he were elected? <P?

Well that was Saddams and Iraqs job…but somebody ruined that real good.
RichS

valkyrie101 said:
Of course all the production has been moved to China and the non-producers are those U.S. workers who’s jobs were exported.

This surprises you? Drive up the cost of production here with regulation and government oversite and they go to where the stuff can be produce with less cost. Didn’t you know that it worked that way? Its just like when you raise taxes on the rich, the rich leave. You do know that when you kill the goose that laid the golden eggs you get no more gold, don’t you?
Barack Must Go

tiredofbs said:
Truer words have not been spoken..Frame that, take it to the bank & lets talk 10 years from now.
THEY may be our saviors in this the worst time in US History..Who-’d-a-thunked-it???
Soros who pulls Obamaos strings, has severely underestimated the POWER of Israelis
in vote & influence.

Kinda makes that “silly clown” Glenn Beck seem like a a breath of Spring fresh air
in a field of toxic garbage

… oh, just for the record. They don’t use strings anymore. It just a fist full of Vaseline up the pooper today. That’s why it appears so natural when Barack’s mouth moves during one of his propaganda rallyes.
Alz

Now we know why Fatah and Hamas made some sort of deal a few weeks ago. They knew Obama was going to screw the Israeli’s and now they can have a united front against Israel. This is all planned.
tiredofbs

Mosesdinoark said:
Wheres all that American exceptionalism you Repugs are proud of?

Obviously you’re admitting , clearly, that “exceptionalism you Repugs are proud of?”
is not your belief? Lefties lie so often they forget to keep up.
Glenn Beck right once again.
2011Soros lefties including this White House think the proud USA is a piece of crap.
We JFK Democrats, Independents, Moderates,Republicans, Conservatives,Jews, Evangelicals,
Cubans, God fearing Spanish +Mexicans who sneak votes, AND Libertarians disagree.
Boy are you in for a rude awakening . “Shellacking” will not be fitting…
Dem4Ever

Swooosh!!! That sound you just heard was Israel being thrown under the bus.Swooosh!!! That sound you just heard was Israel being thrown under the bus.
RichS

valkyrie101 said:
Would it be relevent if country B originally took its land by war from country A?

I thought you were in college? Don’t you study history in college? Try spending a little less time showing how little you know and a little more time learning facts.
THE REAL ROYAL KING

Barack Must Go said:
Mosesdinoark said:
So Israel will atatck us? I thought they were our friends…Well with friends like these…

Not quite. The Israeli people are more like ” real ” Americana than you degenerate libs.

Actually, they are dissimilar to us, and we are dissimilar to them. You’ve obviously never spent much time there. It is too obvious even for you to miss.
valkyrie101

RichS said:
This surprises you? Drive up the cost of production here with regulation and government oversite and they go to where the stuff can be produce with less cost. Didn’t you know that it worked that way? Its just like when you raise taxes on the rich, the rich leave. You do know that when you kill the goose that laid the golden eggs you get no more gold, don’t you?

Yes, those pesky pollution regulations and child labor laws drove the well meaning American capitalists to more fertile production grounds, and off-shore bank accounts. And your cool with that?
Barack Must Go

Mosesdinoark said:
Het..theres a hole in your tinfoil hat…

Get off your knees..you’re embarrassing yourself……again.
valkyrie101

RichS said:
I thought you were in college? Don’t you study history in college? Try spending a little less time showing how little you know and a little more time learning facts.

So the Palestinians, who before 1945 were owners of the land, just gave away their land and now have donor’s remorse?
tiredofbs

Barack Must Go said:
… oh, just for the record. They don’t use strings anymore. It just a fist full of Vaseline up the pooper today. That’s why it appears so natural when Barack’s mouth moves during one of his propaganda rallyes.

sad but true
Mosesdinoark

tiredofbs said:
Obviously you’re admitting , clearly, that “exceptionalism you Repugs are proud of?”is not your belief? Lefties lie so often they forget to keep up.Glenn Beck right once again.2011Soros lefties including this White House think the proud USA is a piece of crap.We JFK Democrats, Independents, Moderates,Republicans, Conservatives,Jews, Evangelicals,Cubans, God fearing Spanish +Mexicans who sneak votes, AND Libertarians disagree.Boy are you in for a rude awakening . “Shellacking” will not be fitting…

Then why do we need isreal to “save” us?
Mosesdinoark

Barack Must Go said:
Get off your knees..you’re embarrassing yourself……again.

Same comeback you’ve used 100 times…YAAWN
Barack Must Go

Publius219 said:
You must be one of those Israel-first “Americans”

No. Just one of those old fashioned ” real ” Americans and our true allies first Americans.

From here on out you liberal/socialist mutts be damned. You’re going to have to climb into dumpsters and old clothing bins and fend for yourselves.

Or you could always just move to France or Canada.
Barack Must Go

Mosesdinoark said:
Same comeback you’ve used 100 times…YAAWN

Nice fake yaawn. You were simply repositioning your mouth.
Colorado_Conservative

Mosesdinoark said:
Well that was Saddams and Iraqs job…but somebody ruined that real good.

So you are blaming Bush for Obamas lie? Serious?
I guarantee you if Bush were President Iran would not be on the verge of going Nuclear!!!!!
SeanW

Prior to our engagement in Iraq, Israel has been the largest recipient of US Foreign Aid, totaling some 3.4 Billion per year. The Washington Post broke it down not that long ago, 2010 I believe, where each Israeli is basically given a $500 handout from the American taxpayer.

In 2003, Thomas R. Stauffer, PHd showed that our defense of Israel, in 2002 dollars was in excess of $3 Trillion. Our guilt over our complacency in the face of true horror has allowed Israel to don the mask of horror themselves all with our financing. Without the United States there is no Israel, without Israel the United States would, unfortunately, be far better off.
THE REAL ROYAL KING

Cecelia said:
I’m all for respecting Israel’s borders.

Now, if only the president was for respecting the borders of the U.S.A.

Which one of our presidents? Which one of our borders? Mexico or the border through which the 9/11 terrorists entered?

Actually, we’d do better in our immigration policy if we simply acknowledged that the border is not some giant moat or chasm. It is porous. It is amorphous. It is naturally, by design and by necessity, easily crossed. I suppose you could build some Maginot Line, perhaps with the same sterling success that was. At the moment, we have net negative immigration from Mexico, as a result of W’s Depression. We now have a number of electrical supply and electronics companies relocating to Mexico, employing Norteños and Norteñas. If you consider all of those factors, might we not be better at controlling the border, securer and more cost efficient, if we dealt with the geographic and economic realities and formed two contiguous communities of interest instead of maintaining one with an inevitably permeable barrier?
Oregon Conservative

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Which one of our presidents? Which one of our borders? Mexico or the border through which the 9/11 terrorists entered? Actually, we’d do better in our immigration policy if we simply acknowledged that the border is not some giant moat or chasm. It is porous. It is amorphous. It is naturally, by design and by necessity, easily crossed. I suppose you could build some Maginot Line, perhaps with the same sterling success that was. At the moment, we have net negative immigration from Mexico, as a result of W’s Depression. We now have a number of electrical supply and electronics companies relocating to Mexico, employing Norteños and Norteñas. If you consider all of those factors, might we not be better at controlling the border, securer and more cost efficient, if we dealt with the geographic and economic realities and formed two contiguous communities of interest instead of maintaining one with an inevitably permeable barrier?

What is your reaction to the Israel hating Muslim’s speech today? Stay on topic, bub. Thanks.
TfT

Dear B Hussein Obama:

F U

Sincerely,

BiBi
THE REAL ROYAL KING

The chief whine on this site seems to be that the United States will be taking a balanced approach. This does represent a foreign policy shift, to be sure, but is is “fair and balanced”. The Israelis certainly have a right to be secure. So do the Palestinians. The Israelis have the right to be freed from oppression. So do the Palestinians.
THE REAL ROYAL KING

Oregon Conservative said:
What is your reaction to the Israel hating Muslim’s speech today? Stay on topic, bub. Thanks.

See below.
THE REAL ROYAL KING

TfT said:
Dear B Hussein Obama:

F U

Sincerely,

BiBi

How mature.

Fact is: we need the Israelis. Fact is: the Israelis need us far more than we need them.
Mosesdinoark

valkyrie101 said:
So the Palestinians, who before 1945 were owners of the land, just gave away their land and now have donor’s remorse?

They (Repugs, Baggers, Evangelical Christian Facists) dont like to read history unless they change it to their version.. Kind of like what the Huck$ter is doing with those awful cartoons..or the Nazis or the Fascisti.
tiredofbs

Mosesdinoark said:

Obviously you’re admitting , clearly, that “exceptionalism you Repugs are proud of?”is not your belief? Lefties lie so often they forget to keep up.Glenn Beck right once again.2011Soros lefties including this White House think the proud USA is a piece of crap.
We JFK Democrats, Independents, Moderates,Republicans, Conservatives,Jews, Evangelicals,Cubans, God fearing Spanish +Mexicans who sneak votes, AND Libertarians disagree.Boy are you in for a rude awakening . “Shellacking” will not be fitting…

Then why do we need isreal to “save” us?

THE ANSWER IS right there Unless you’re looking for something in particular??
R U Looking for a threat or somekind of actionable ….wtf
Please tell me, I will be more than happy to give u the answer u desire, or have
prepared snazzy come backs for? Or?? whats on your mind tricky dicky
AikidoJoe

I hope the Israel shows B. Hussein Obama the middle finger. Israel shouldn’t turn over the Mount of Olives, the wailing wall, the Tower of David, or the Holy Church of the Sepulchre for those savages to destroy.
Mosesdinoark

tiredofbs said:
THE ANSWER IS right there Unless you’re looking for something in particular??R U Looking for a threat or somekind of actionable ….wtfPlease tell me, I will be more than happy to give u the answer u desire, or haveprepared snazzy come backs for? Or?? whats on your mind tricky dicky

So its the Jesus land thing and you need to keep it safe? Im not getting how they are such wonderfull friends and need all of our $$ and love.
Mosesdinoark

AikidoJoe said:
I hope the Israel shows B. Hussein Obama the middle finger. Israel shouldn’t turn over the Mount of Olives, the wailing wall, the Tower of David, or the Holy Church of the Sepulchre for those savages to destroy.

Ahh so it is the Jesus Land thing…now were getting somewhere….
felixw

A.R. said:
the left didnt understand why bush let north korea become a nuclear state either…

but on iran…maybe they dont pose as much of a threat as you think? the region won’t let the only shia state rise…you saw what happened in bahrain…saudi arabia got involved cus it couldve become the second shia state…

Iran is less of a threat than Libya or Syria or, heaven forbid, Israel? What PLANET are you calling from? And as to North Korea, that problem does not date back to Bush, but to Democrat Harry Truman, who prevented Douglas MacArthur from solving the Korea mess in 1951. We are still dealing today with the fallout from that bad decision.
ProObamaAgenda

Colorado_Conservative said:
So you are blaming Bush for Obamas lie? Serious?
I guarantee you if Bush were President Iran would not be on the verge of going Nuclear!!!!!

hahahahahahah….dumbass…iran was going nuclear throughout the whole 8 failed years of Bush….bush was to busy attacking iraq to worry about iran….like you Bush is a complete failure who sold out america to the military industrial complex who owned his dumb ass
Mosesdinoark

Mosesdinoark said:
So its the Jesus land thing and you need to keep it safe? Im not getting how they are such wonderfull friends and need all of our $$ and love.

And love is a two-way street…they get billions of our tax $$ and military tech..and we get………?

A nice place to vacation? Hell no!
ProObamaAgenda

lol@ the IMF guy getting bail….not a single soul in the media predicted this…..wingnut republican pundits got it all wrong again…….i expect him to be back in france in a week laughing at america and you republicans
AikidoJoe

Mosesdinoark said:
Ahh so it is the Jesus Land thing…now were getting somewhere….

You wouldn’t be asking Muslims to give up their holy sites.
Alz

SeanW said:
Prior to our engagement in Iraq, Israel has been the largest recipient of US Foreign Aid, totaling some 3.4 Billion per year. The Washington Post broke it down not that long ago, 2010 I believe, where each Israeli is basically given a $500 handout from the American taxpayer.

In 2003, Thomas R. Stauffer, PHd showed that our defense of Israel, in 2002 dollars was in excess of $3 Trillion. Our guilt over our complacency in the face of true horror has allowed Israel to don the mask of horror themselves all with our financing. Without the United States there is no Israel, without Israel the United States would, unfortunately, be far better off.

So you are like the Palestinians and you want Israel eradicated. What about the people? Do you like ovens?
tiredofbs

Mosesdinoark said:
Im not getting how they are such wonderfull friends and need all of our $$ and love.

Perhaps you need to leave the “Jews have to be driven to the Sea ”
far Left Wing Web Site mentality & join the real human race. Try harder..Open ur mind.
Israel, is one of the most Democratic, peaceful and PRODUCTIVE countries in the world.
Your evil side, (?) wants them all dead. Just because… Not gonnahappen.
End of story.
btimsah

America is only morally responsible for itself and its own actions.

We have no authority to tell either state what they should or should not do.

We can ask, we can convince but we should never use force unless it’s been used against us.

That is all.
Mosesdinoark

ProObamaAgenda said:
hahahahahahah….dumbass…iran was going nuclear throughout the whole 8 failed years of Bush….bush was to busy attacking iraq to worry about iran….like you Bush is a complete failure who sold out america to the military industrial complex who owned his dumb ass

its their M.o. They like to argue unproveable logic and situations like

I guarantee you if Bush were President Iran would not be on the verge of going Nuclear!!!!!

But whats really funny?
Osama killed… Obama 2 years in. done

Stuxnet worm takes down Irans Nuclear program…Obama 2 years in. done.
AikidoJoe

I don’t think we should any country money. Not one dime. I just don’t think B. Hussein Obama should be lecturing Israel on their affairs when every single one of those Muslim savages over there are waiting for an opportunity to kill every single Israeli. I love how they take every single Republican at their imagined words but when the Muslim savages say in the most basic terms how they want to kill the Jews, they somehow don’t hear it.
AikidoJoe

Mosesdinoark said:

Stuxnet worm takes down Irans Nuclear program…Obama 2 years in. done.

You realize the Stuxnet worm was a joint operation with Israel, don’t you?
http://www.karlspensen.blogspot.com Karl Spensen

When will our MUSLIN in Chief 0bamao HUSSEIN realize that ANYONE who criticizes the state of Israel in ANY WAY is a terrorist-loving ANTI-SEMITE?!?!?!1111 We, the True American Patriots, knew this about him a LONG TIME AGO but he doesn’t have to make his JEW HATING so obvious!!!!!!!1111
Mosesdinoark

AikidoJoe said:
You realize the Stuxnet worm was a joint operation with Israel, don’t you?

Yes…they ususally do our dirty work when it comes to stuff like that…so maybe they are good for something.
Mosesdinoark

AikidoJoe said:
You realize the Stuxnet worm was a joint operation with Israel, don’t you?

And that wasnt my point anyway..the other idiot was so sure we’d be so much safer with a rube like Bush.
AikidoJoe

Mosesdinoark said:
And that wasnt my point anyway..the other idiot was so sure we’d be so much safer with a rube like Bush.

We are safer with an ally like Israel at our back. Maybe Obama should show them a little courtesy by not undermining them and asking them to make concessions that would will result in cries of racism if a rube like Bush asked them of Muslim savages.
cjd ohio 1

valkyrie101 said:
So the Palestinians, who before 1945 were owners of the land, just gave away their land and now have donor’s remorse?

ottoman empire and the british before 1945
Mosesdinoark

cjd ohio 1 said:
ottoman empire and the british before 1945

Im assuming you live in Ohio so humor me…how would you like it if the UN came to where you lived and told you ,its now the Sate of Shawnee and you must move? I think you might have some issues, no?
Zandandido

Why attack Israel? Israel has been attacked and invaded since it’s modern beginning in 1948. Israel should have the Golan Heights, West Bank, and the Sinai Peninsula. Just because Israel gets attacked, doesn’t mean we should take those away. Just like the United Nations did. You invade Israel, you lose, not just the battle and war, but territory.
cjd ohio 1

Mosesdinoark said:
Im assuming you live in Ohio so humor me…how would you like it if the UN came to where you lived and told you ,its now the Sate of Shawnee and you must move? I think you might have some issues, no?

what are you talking about, you act like palenstine was a state or country
cjd ohio 1

Mosesdinoark said:
Im assuming you live in Ohio so humor me…how would you like it if the UN came to where you lived and told you ,its now the Sate of Shawnee and you must move? I think you might have some issues, no?

cjd ohio 1 said:
what are you talking about, you act like palenstine was a state or country

well let them fight it out then,
AikidoJoe

Mosesdinoark said:
Im assuming you live in Ohio so humor me…how would you like it if the UN came to where you lived and told you ,its now the Sate of Shawnee and you must move? I think you might have some issues, no?

It wasn’t that they had to move, they didn’t, it was more of a request to not murder the people that were going to be moving there; seeing as the people that were moving there were the Jews that didn’t get murdered by Hitler. When the Ottoman Empire was broken up a state for Palestinians was created(There has never been a Palestine): Jordan. A state for the Jews was created: Israel. Nobody was forced to move, except the Jews that were expelled from all other Arab states. It was the Muslim savages that hated Jews so much that they attempted to finish Hitler’s work. And they are still trying to all these years later. And people like you are rationalize the irrational. I don’t necessarily think we should be giving Israel any aid, because they don’t need it, but we shouldn’t undermine them either. They are surrounded by nations that don’t think they have a right to exist and pray for the death of every Jew during their Friday prayers.
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

AikidoJoe said:
It wasn’t that they had to move, they didn’t, it was more of a request to not murder the people that were going to be moving there; seeing as the people that were moving there were the Jews that didn’t get murdered by Hitler. When the Ottoman Empire was broken up a state for Palestinians was created(There has never been a Palestine): Jordan. A state for the Jews was created: Israel. Nobody was forced to move, except the Jews that were expelled from all other Arab states. It was the Muslim savages that hated Jews so much that they attempted to finish Hitler’s work. And they are still trying to all these years later. And people like you are rationalize the irrational. I don’t necessarily think we should be giving Israel any aid, because they don’t need it, but we shouldn’t undermine them either. They are surrounded by nations that don’t think they have a right to exist and pray for the death of every Jew during their Friday prayers.

Thanks. Saved me a lot of typing to explain this on yet another site.

cjd ohio 1 said:
well let them fight it out then,

Every time they fight it out, Israel wins and the rest of the world, in their usual anti-semitic method makes Israel give the land back. Israel has already won that territory multiple times.
http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

Hey ISRAEL, how’s the view from under that BUS?
LOL

Hey Jewish voters, keep contributing to Dems, you putzs’!@

You’ve gotta’ be a Honduran Dictator, a New Black Panther, Soros, GE, SEIU, or Goldman Sachs to get Barry’s support
winning

Publius219 said:
You must be one of those Israel-first “Americans”

Not sure, but I’m guessing he’s one of those “Israel-is-our-ally-and-Hamas-wants-us-dead” Americans, you know, the kind of person who can look at something and describe what he sees. This is a trait sorely lacking in progs, who look at something, and wait for their puppetmasters to tell them what they’re seeing.
Colorado_Conservative

Why would any Country want to be our friend when our anti-American President keeps throwing them under the bus.

Obama is acting like he only wants to appease those who hate America and Israel.

God bless this Country and Israel as long as radical, anti-American Obama is at the helm!!
illusive man

President Obama: Israel and Palestinians Must Negotiate On Basis Of 1967 Borders

Why?
Palestine was never it’s own sovereign nation.
Not to long ago Palestine was owned by the British Empire and before that the Ottomen Empire and before that the Eastern Roman Empire and before that the United Roman Emipre and before that it was made up of small Hebrew Kingdoms.
Historically, the Palestinians where nomadic wanderers/gypsys who never had a homeland of their own.
So why should Israel shed it’s border to a country that never existed and to people who historically have no right to be there?
dougx

I agree with some others. Who do they give the land back to? I think they have already given back too much. They should have purged the Pals from the West bank and ethnically cleansed them altogether. Works for everyone else.
winning

illusive man said:
So why should Israel shed it’s border to a country that never existed ..

They shouldn’t, but that won’t stop Barack “I hate America” Obama from promoting anything that favors anyone who hate America or her allies.
tiredofbs

illusive man said:
fore that it was made up of small Hebrew Kingdoms.
Historically, the Palestinians where nomadic wanderers/gypsys who never had a homeland of their own.
So why should Israel shed it’s border to a country that never existed and to people who historically have no right to be there?

“::::chiiiirp chiiirppp chirp chirp:::”
silence ….don’t hold your breath for responses;The Israel hating Left
always come to this point then duck tail & run bak to daddy Soros and ask:
“What do we say now boss?”
Back to your crevices roaches, the lights are on
Jaurez

How many wars is obomber gonna start?
http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

Which Jewish fund-raising party supporting Democrats – in LA or NYC – will be the coup-de-grace for the Jewish State?

Hey Benny N. – How’d the palm of Obama’s hand feel across your face today?
LOL!

Hey ISRAEL, how’s the view from under that BUS?
LOL

Hey Jewish voters, keep contributing to Dems, you putzs’!@

You’ve gotta’ be a Honduran Dictator, a New Black Panther, Soros, GE, SEIU, or Goldman Sachs to get Barry’s support
Sam M.

Jaurez said:
How many wars is obomber gonna start?

Take a guess. This ought to be good.
Mas Liberty5

It’s sad really. The American taxpayer is forced to give billion each year to foreign countries. Why must we be the policeman? Why must we be the one who “gives” a portion of the fruit of their labor to either side? Stop meddling in these peoples lives. Both sides have a right to do as they want, and pay the various consequences but it shouldn’t be at the US taxpayers expense.

President Obama please stop doing what your predecessors have done. Stop with the foreign aid and stop with the foreign interventions.
illusive man

illusive man said:
President Obama: Israel and Palestinians Must Negotiate On Basis Of 1967 Borders Why?Palestine was never it’s own sovereign nation.Not to long ago Palestine was owned by the British Empire and before that the Ottomen Empire and before that the Eastern Roman Empire and before that the United Roman Emipre and before that it was made up of small Hebrew Kingdoms.Historically, the Palestinians where nomadic wanderers/gypsys who never had a homeland of their own.So why should Israel shed it’s border to a country that never existed and to people who historically have no right to be there?

Also, the ruling government of Palestine is Hamas, which is considered by most country’s in the world to be a terrorist orginization.
And last I checked America’s policy is to never negotiate with terrorist’s or terrorist organizations.
So why in the world would Obama encourage our only true middle eastern ally to negotiate with a terrorist organization?
You would think we would encourage Israel to do the opposite and convince them to cut off all diplomatic communication with Palestine until Hamas steps down from power.
mamaearth

For the life of me, I can NOT understand how anyone in the Jewish Community can belong to or back, the democratic party. Jimmy Carter was by no means a friend of Israel. I can name only a handful of democratic politicians who have really stood by the side of Israel.
brownsound

I’m no huge G Beck supporter, but it looks like he was exactly right yesterday when he said 0bama and the left are appeasers. Today’s statement about the 1967 borders proves it. And where are the Jews in Congress? Boxer, Schumer, B Frank, etc? Silent. Silence because they’re on board with it.
Dem4Ever

Obama is a moron!
http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

Did you all see what our NEW Israeli Policy is???

Hey Jewish Democratic CONTRIBUTORS – Every Dollar to the Democrats is pushing one more Israeli into the sea! – which one of your contributions to the Democratic Party is going to be the one that puts an Iranian Mushroom Cloud over Jerusalem?

Hey Goldman Sachs, do you get your trees back when the Muslim Brotherhood over-runs the Homeland? LOL
How do those Contributions to Democrats look now? – YOU PUTZS’!

Which Jewish Democratic fund-raising party – in LA or NYC – will be the coup-de-grace for the Jewish State?

Hey Benny N. – How’d the palm of Obama’s hand feel across your face today?
LOL!

Hey ISRAEL, how’s the view from under that BUS?
LOL

Hey Jewish voters, keep contributing to Dems, you putzs’!@

You’ve gotta’ be a Honduran Dictator, a New Black Panther, Soros, GE, SEIU, or Goldman Sachs to get Barry’s support
http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

Obama only said “I” 20 times…
Jaurez

Obomber doesn’t give a rats ass about our own border but he’s suddenly “concerned” with the Palestinian/Israeli border?

So “concerned” he GAVE a cool BILLION to the muslim brotherhood?
Jaurez

brownsound said:
Boxer, Schumer, B Frank, etc?

All self-loathers.
http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

Say, can all the Jewish contributions to the Democratic Party now be considered BLOOD MONEY, with the New Barack Hussein Obama policy of Destroying the Jewish State?
Glackin

illusive man said:
Also, the ruling government of Palestine is Hamas, which is considered by most country’s in the world to be a terrorist orginization.
And last I checked America’s policy is to never negotiate with terrorist’s or terrorist organizations..

Tell that to Nixon (Pinochet). Tell it to Reagan (Saddam, Iran, Hezbollah, the Contras, bin Laden, Noriega). The Bush family and the Saudi sheiks.
The GOP has been arms merchant to the terrorist world for fifty years.
Glackin

NORBIT Jr. said:
Did you all see what our NEW Israeli Policy is???

Hey Jewish Democratic CONTRIBUTORS – Every Dollar to the Democrats is pushing one more Israeli into the sea! – which one of your contributions to the Democratic Party is going to be the one that puts an Iranian Mushroom Cloud over Jerusalem?

Hey Goldman Sachs, do you get your trees back when the Muslim Brotherhood over-runs the Homeland? LOL
How do those Contributions to Democrats look now? – YOU PUTZS’!

Which Jewish Democratic fund-raising party – in LA or NYC – will be the coup-de-grace for the Jewish State?

Hey Benny N. – How’d the palm of Obama’s hand feel across your face today?
LOL!

Hey ISRAEL, how’s the view from under that BUS?
LOL

Hey Jewish voters, keep contributing to Dems, you putzs’!@

You’ve gotta’ be a Honduran Dictator, a New Black Panther, Soros, GE, SEIU, or Goldman Sachs to get Barry’s support

Have you run out of paste yet?
A schmuck should know a putz, if he has a mirror.
The Seminole have a better claim to Florida than the Isrealis do to Palestine.
NonElite

Obama seems very eager to inject himself as a leader of the changes going on in the Arab world. It’s fairly evident from the reactions of the Egyptians that he didn’t consult them any than he did Netanyahu. His unilateral pronouncements in this speech show monumental hubris. It sounds like the folks in the Middle East just want us, and Obama in particular, to butt out. I imagine the other Arab nations feel much the same way.
I don’t know if I’d want my name going down in history as the leader of the free world who supported all these changes since it is apparent that they may well turn out to be bad for the Western world, and especially our allies.
Too much of his speech may be taken as a green light for the enemies of Israel to push harder. The Israelis are probably feeling very betrayed right now. Can Obama withstand that backlash?
All in all, Obama is just another arrogant, know-it-all American President who thinks he can fix the Middle East. In the end I think Obama will have too much damage control to do from this blunder to manage re-election.
http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

Glackin said:
Have you run out of paste yet?A schmuck should know a putz, if he has a mirror.The Seminole have a better claim to Florida than the Isrealis do to Palestine.

…and the President just codified that!

Hey Jewish Contributors to the Democratic Party – What happened to “NEVER AGAIN!”?
Do you really think Barack Hussein Obama and the Rev. Wright wing of the Democratic Party have your backs?
LMAQ ——– LMAO!!!!!

Say, can all the Jewish contributions to the Democratic Party now be considered BLOOD MONEY, with the New Barack Hussein Obama policy of Destroying the Jewish State?
ChrisNH

Hahahaha @ all the Jewish Obama-lovers. Talk about bursting into flames.
brownsound

Where are Tommy Christopher, Chris Matthews, David Gregory and Joan Walsh with their screaming reports of 0bama’s RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC DOG WHISTLE???? C’mon, are you all the watchdogs of bigotry? Well? We’re waiting…………….
valkyrie101

felixw said:
Iran is less of a threat than Libya or Syria or, heaven forbid, Israel? What PLANET are you calling from? And as to North Korea, that problem does not date back to Bush, but to Democrat Harry Truman, who prevented Douglas MacArthur from solving the Korea mess in 1951. We are still dealing today with the fallout from that bad decision.

Yes, his solution was to drop a hydrogen bomb on China. Fool.
Yoda002

skoorbekim said:
Obama only said “I” 20 times…

I guess when you’re out of material you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
Alz

Glackin said:
Tell that to Nixon (Pinochet). Tell it to Reagan (Saddam, Iran, Hezbollah, the Contras, bin Laden, Noriega). The Bush family and the Saudi sheiks.
The GOP has been arms merchant to the terrorist world for fifty years.

But see, you’re not thinking again. While i disagree with your list somewhat, in most cases, it was in our best interests at the time to do what we did.

In Obama’s case, what Obama is doing is in our enemy’s best interest.

See?
Alz

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, his solution was to drop a hydrogen bomb on China. Fool.

That was one option on the table, but he’s still right that the problem wasn’t solved and the consequences have not been good.
Alz

So let’s see….when many people pointed out Obama’s connections to Bill Ayers, Obama said he was about 8 years old so how could he have anything to do with Ayers, but now all of a sudden, Obama, who was 6 when the 1967 Israeli-Arab war happened, can go tell Israel what it’s borders should be?

Obama is clueless about our own borders too.
Moderate

Next he will give Texas back to Mexico. Too many Republicans.
Davo

mamaearth said:
For the life of me, I can NOT understand how anyone in the Jewish Community can belong to or back, the democratic party. Jimmy Carter was by no means a friend of Israel. I can name only a handful of democratic politicians who have really stood by the side of Israel.

It’s not just a joke when you hear that Liberalism is a mental disorder………………it is. We’re seeing it’s victims more and more.

Never try to find logic where there is none.
Tedderman

242 and 338, that’s what we negotiate. The basis of any peace in accordance to the other 200+ nations on this planet begin with the 1967 borders. Israel has insisted on creating something akin to indian reservations in the West Bank and Gaza while controlling all access via land, sea and air to these areas. How in the hell do they think any people can live like that? They can’t and shouldn’t have to.
david r

I don’t understand how any Jew could pull the lever for that guy. Pulling the lever for him is like selling out Israel.
Tedderman

The fact is two thirds of Israelis want a just peace with the Palestinians. Once again Obama has the misfortune of being President while Israel has it’s most hard line, lying leader, Benjamin Netanyahu in office. There as here the hard liners get the most press. How many unarmed Palestinians does Israel have to kill before Americans notice? We’re likely to find out soon.
Alz

Tedderman said:
The fact is two thirds of Israelis want a just peace with the Palestinians. Once again Obama has the misfortune of being President while Israel has it’s most hard line, lying leader, Benjamin Netanyahu in office. There as here the hard liners get the most press. How many unarmed Palestinians does Israel have to kill before Americans notice? We’re likely to find out soon.

See, you’re ignoring (purposely I assume) that the Palestinians generally want to destroy Israel. This keeps getting in the way of peace, but the liberals’ brains are unable to process this info.
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

Tedderman said:
242 and 338, that’s what we negotiate. The basis of any peace in accordance to the other 200+ nations on this planet begin with the 1967 borders. Israel has insisted on creating something akin to indian reservations in the West Bank and Gaza while controlling all access via land, sea and air to these areas. How in the hell do they think any people can live like that? They can’t and shouldn’t have to.

The same 200 plus nations that routinely condemn Israel for defending itself? The same 200 plus that put Libya and Iran on the Human Rights Commission? Those 200? The UN is not and never has been Israel’s friend.

The minute the Palestinians recognize Israel’s right to exist, stop lobbing rockets and bombs, stop referring to Israeli Independence Day as ‘The Great Catastrophe,’ stop teaching hate in their schools and stop calling for death to the Jews is the day they won’t have to live like that.
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

Alz said:
See, you’re ignoring (purposely I assume) that the Palestinians generally want to destroy Israel. This keeps getting in the way of peace, but the liberals’ brains are unable to process this info.

Tell me about it. Apparently some have a problem understanding that launching rockets at neighborhoods is not a good negotiating tactic.

Let me try this in little words – Palestinians want all Jews dead. Jews object, but still try for peace. Palestinians try to kill all Jews while whining about negotiating. Stupid world leaders ignore Palestinian terror acts and demand Israel sacrifice security. Israel says no. Loop and repeat for 60 years.
Jaurez

Glackin said:
The GOP has been arms merchant to the terrorist world for fifty years.
Glackin Glackin says:

So, you have no problem with Obomber giving a BILLION to the muslim brotherhood?
http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

Jaurez said:
So, you have no problem with Obomber giving a BILLION to the muslim brotherhood?

Dems his Peeps!
Alz

Keeva said:
Tell me about it. Apparently some have a problem understanding that launching rockets at neighborhoods is not a good negotiating tactic.

Let me try this in little words – Palestinians want all Jews dead. Jews object, but still try for peace. Palestinians try to kill all Jews while whining about negotiating. Stupid world leaders ignore Palestinian terror acts and demand Israel sacrifice security. Israel says no. Loop and repeat for 60 years.

Yes, somehow the Left has it that these two view are morally equivalent:

1) “A” wants to destroy “B”. “A” broadcasts it’s intentions, develops, buys and uses weapons against “B” (including specific targeting of civilians) and “A” squanders billions in aid that could be used to help it’s people gain wealth and success.

2) “B” wants to survive and works to stop “A” with great restraint.

The problem here is the liberals. If the liberals were honest, they would see what is happening and they would pull support for the Palestinians until they shape up. This way, there could be peace like with Jordan and (probably previously) with Egypt.

It’s the liberals.
Tedderman

Alz(heimers)
See, you’re ignoring (purposely I assume) that the Palestinians generally want to destroy Israel. This keeps getting in the way of peace, but the liberals’ brains are unable to process this info.

Tedderman says: I ignore nothing, I do however agree with Israels defence minister Ehud Barak. He said if he were Palestinian, he’d do the same things they do. And shortly before he left office, Ariel Sharon admitted that Israel should not continue to be “occupiers.” Also for 25 years Israel maintained that if Arafat were gone they could make peace. Well, Arafat’s been dead a while now and Israel keeps gobbling up the land Palestinians need for their country. Most Israelis agree, their government, settlers and the I.D.F. are not conducive to peace. If Palestinians don’t launch their homemade rockets, which usually hit nothing, no one pays any attention to them. Israel on the other hand goes nutsack nuts killing innocent civilians everytime one person in Israel dies.
Alz

Tedderman said:
Alz(heimers)
See, you’re ignoring (purposely I assume) that the Palestinians generally want to destroy Israel. This keeps getting in the way of peace, but the liberals’ brains are unable to process this info.

Tedderman says: I ignore nothing, I do however agree with Israels defence minister Ehud Barak. He said if he were Palestinian, he’d do the same things they do. And shortly before he left office, Ariel Sharon admitted that Israel should not continue to be “occupiers.” Also for 25 years Israel maintained that if Arafat were gone they could make peace. Well, Arafat’s been dead a while now and Israel keeps gobbling up the land Palestinians need for their country. Most Israelis agree, their government, settlers and the I.D.F. are not conducive to peace. If Palestinians don’t launch their homemade rockets, which usually hit nothing, no one pays any attention to them. Israel on the other hand goes nutsack nuts killing innocent civilians everytime one person in Israel dies.

The assumption was that with Arafat gone, someone normal might appear. Didn’t happen. Arafat was Fatah – supposedly the moderate group. Hamas is much worse.

The problem is Iran, Syria (through Hezbollah) have their hands in there and they are opposed to peace.

Another obvious piece of information is how the Palestinians squander the millions they take in on corruption and arms. By now, their economy should be doing much better, but it seems they like being told what to do by others.

Don’t forget that the Jordanians don’t care for how the Palestinians operate either. Oh, and who can forget the Egyptians. They’ve got walls, barricades too that keep the Palestinians out too.

The biggest problem is the liberals who keep the Palestinians poor by supporting the corruption.
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

Tedderman said:
Most Israelis agree, their government, settlers and the I.D.F. are not conducive to peace. If Palestinians don’t launch their homemade rockets, which usually hit nothing, no one pays any attention to them. Israel on the other hand goes nutsack nuts killing innocent civilians everytime one person in Israel dies.

Wrong. All Israelis agree that the Palestinians are not serious about peace and wish to kill Israelis.

If the Palestinians don’t use the food money the world gives them to buy the rockets they launch, then they wold have a functioning economy and not rampant poverty. And if they stop launching them, then real peace talks can start.

Tell me this, Tedderman. How do you negotiate peace with people that do not recognize (actually adamantly refuse to recognize) your right to exist and openly seek your death and destruction.

And are you saying Israel does not have the right to defend itself? Note this: Palestinian terrorists launch rockets at schools and neighborhoods with no care for who gets killed. Israel tries very hard to not kill civilians. Sadly, the cowardly Palestinian terror leaders surround themselves with women and children as human shields for the explicit purpose of fooling people like you into thinking they are the victims.

Alz said:
The biggest problem is the liberals who keep the Palestinians poor by supporting the corruption.

The biggest problem is the Palestinian leadership that uses the food money for weapons and not food.
Alz

Keeva said:
The biggest problem is the Palestinian leadership that uses the food money for weapons and not food.

Yes, but they are encouraged to keep up the hate of Israel – just like the liberals’ Community organizers rile up hate, anger and resentments in the inner cities. It’s all the same mental disorder at work.

I’m sure the Palestinian people want a better life, but they’ll never get it while their leaders are under the control of the Leftists in Europe and the US.
Alz

It’s very interesting how Mediaite hustled this story to a corner of the main page. The White House must have dictated this.
Tedderman

Alz(heimers)
Another obvious piece of information is how the Palestinians squander the millions they take in on corruption and arms. By now, their economy should be doing much better, but it seems they like being told what to do by others.

Have you ever witnessed the destruction wrought upon the Palestinians by Israel, how much do you think that costs the Palestinians? A couple of years ago Israel blew up the main power plant in Gaza, plunging 3/4 of a million people into darkness in the winter. The U.S. spent 100 million on a headquarters for the Palestinian security forces that Israel blew up when they invaded in 2002. Untold billions go to repair the damage done to the Palestinians but no one in this country ever considers it an issue. What Palestinians call corruption is not the same thing you think it is. In Arab cultures wealthy men control the wealth and average folks go and ask them for money or loans, it’s their way.
So if you want to know why their economy isn’t doing better it’s mostly because they have to continually rebuild. But it could also be that Israel often withholds taxes which are to be paid to the Palestinians for shipping done at their ports and crossings, up to 1 billion at times. Israel does whatever it can to fuck with the Palestinians, whenever it can.
Tedderman

Keev-uh
Wrong. All Israelis agree that the Palestinians are not serious about peace and wish to kill Israelis

Tedderman says: Since you clearly have no relevant knowledge to add, I will not respond to your ignorance of the situation.
tiredofbs

in the 1970s they(Palestinians) tried to take over Jordan and in return, Jordan killed between 10,000 and 20,000 in one month. It was called Black September. they were kicked out and most of them went to Israel and started trying to take Israel over.

there is no such thing as “palestine”. In the roman times when the jews in the area revolted, the romans crushed the revolt and in order to anger the jews decided to rename the area (only the romans called it this) to Philistina (after the philistines, the enemy of the Jews).

It later turned to ‘palestine’… but in fact it has ALWAYS been Judea.
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

Tedderman said:
Tedderman says: Since you clearly have no relevant knowledge to add, I will not respond to your ignorance of the situation.

That, Tedderman, is the reply of a person that has no reply.

In other words you cannot answer the simple question: How do you negotiate peace with people that do not recognize (actually adamantly refuse to recognize) your right to exist and openly seek your death and destruction.

As far as relevance, other than the friends, relatives and business associates in Israel, I guess not.
Pablo

Keeva said:
Tell me this, Tedderman. How do you negotiate peace with people that do not recognize (actually adamantly refuse to recognize) your right to exist and openly seek your death and destruction.

I think Tedderman starts with pretending that it ain’t so. That can’t end well.
Glackin

Jaurez said:
So, you have no problem with Obomber giving a BILLION to the muslim brotherhood?

Where and when? Did it pass through Orange John’s House?
Glackin

BTW– This is the same stance taken by that enemy of Israel, George W. Bush. And Bill Clinton. And George H.W. Bush. And Ronald W. Reagan.
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

Pablo said:
I think Tedderman starts with pretending that it ain’t so. That can’t end well.

It does seem that way. Sadly, lots of Americans (apparently including Obama) see it that way.
insideguy

Hey righties go to israel, then go where the Palestinians live it aint a pretty picture I have been there. You may just change your tune. This wont go anywhere anyway cause nothing ever goes anywhere over there. A million presidents have tried and a million have failed. This is Obamas shot at the deal, it wont work just like every other two state solution from all our other presidents haven’t worked. Yea you got that right Mr. Bush proposed a two state solution oh my god he must have been a communist socialist jew hating nazi.
Glackin

Alz said:
But see, you’re not thinking again. While i disagree with your list somewhat, in most cases, it was in our best interests at the time to do what we did.

In Obama’s case, what Obama is doing is in our enemy’s best interest.

See?

So, you are a moral relativist. Which is a nice way of saying you have none.
A very drunk Churchill, seated next to a woman at a White House dinner, asked:
“Madam, would you accompany me to my room if I offered you $50,000?”
Flattered, she responded, “My Lord, I would be honored!”
“And if I offered you $5.00?”
“Mr. Churchill, what do you take me for?”
“We’ve established that, now we are negotiating.”

We’ve established what you are.
insideguy

Heres another appeaser for you righties its amazing you would think you guys would remember this.

Bush still hoping for two-state solution
Samar Fatany | Arab News

WASHINGTON: President George W. Bush reaffirmed his commitment for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian issue and called on Saudi Arabia and other Middle East nations to work for a final resolution to the long-standing problem.

He made the remarks on Thursday at a White House reception for a group of more than 40 women from the Middle East and North Africa visiting the United States.

Bush told the delegation that he has moved Israel closer to accepting a two-state solution during his time in office.

“I believe there needs to be a Palestinian state, and I stand by it,” Bush said.

“More than six years ago, I became the first American president to call for the creation of a Palestinian state.”

Bush said he sympathized with the plight of the Palestinian people.

“I said that Palestinians should not have to live in poverty and occupation and I laid out a new vision for the future — two democratic states, Israel and Palestine — living side by side in peace and security.”

He praised Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah as both a great friend and ally and hoped that other nations would unite with America to seek an equitable solution.

“I have worked hard to change the terrible condition of Palestinians, and I ask for the support of Saudi Arabia and other Arab states to achieve this,” Bush said.

Bush dismissed notions of Islamophobia behind America’s current stance in the Middle East and Iraq and spoke of his respect for Islam and Muslims.

“Muslims and Christians pray to the same God,” Bush said, vehemently denying reports that portray him as a person against Islam and Muslims.

Bush portrayed himself as a friend and an ally of Arab governments who support peace.

At the end of the meeting, he told the delegation he would be meeting with the mothers of American soldiers killed in Iraq, saying he has a duty to console them and “stand by their side.”

The delegation, consisting of women from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Yemen, Bahrain, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco and Qatar, is part of an exchange program to promote economic and educational reform in their home countries.
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

insideguy said:
Heres another appeaser for you righties its amazing you would think you guys would remember this.

I remember it. I was not happy about it then either. In fact, pretty much every president has tried this approach for decades only to find out that the Palestinians are not actually interested in any solution that includes Israel.

By the way, not a rightie. Not a leftie. No Party Affiliation. Does everything have to go through your partisan grist mill?
insideguy

Then I wasn’t directing that towards you Keeva. The right seems to have selective memories on everything. Why is Obama a muslim lover when Bush did the same thing. Its crazy a two state solution is the only way to solve the problem over there. Its just on how it happens. All presidents know this. All Im saying is Obama is trying to help solve this problem like every other president has in the past. Probably wont go anywhere just like nothing else has gone anywhere over there since 1946.
insideguy

Heres another one for you righties with short memories.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PcPn-X18ZAg/SwIZhDWtXyI/AAAAAAAABF4/dkhryrAGBfg/s1600/bannersaudi.gif
jakester

Davo said:
It’s not just a joke when you hear that Liberalism is a mental disorder………………it is. We’re seeing it’s victims more and more.

Never try to find logic where there is none.

What you have can’t even be classified as a mental disorder, it’s more like a complete lack of mental faculties. Logic to you is pearls b4 swine.
RichS

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, those pesky pollution regulations and child labor laws drove the well meaning American capitalists to more fertile production grounds, and off-shore bank accounts. And your cool with that?

You are totally lacking in intellectual honesty, aren’t you? You seem to live by the rule, “If a little regulation is good then lots of regulation much be lots better!” That being said, please show me where I have ever come out against sensible child labor laws or sensible pollution regulations. You make up a strawman and attack that strawman. What you failed to do is show me where I’m wrong about why businesses are moving out of the country.
RichS

valkyrie101 said:
So the Palestinians, who before 1945 were owners of the land, just gave away their land and now have donor’s remorse?

The Palestinians were not the “owners of the land.” Please read history.
RichS

illusive man said:
President Obama: Israel and Palestinians Must Negotiate On Basis Of 1967 Borders Why?Palestine was never it’s own sovereign nation.Not to long ago Palestine was owned by the British Empire and before that the Ottomen Empire and before that the Eastern Roman Empire and before that the United Roman Emipre and before that it was made up of small Hebrew Kingdoms.Historically, the Palestinians where nomadic wanderers/gypsys who never had a homeland of their own.So why should Israel shed it’s border to a country that never existed and to people who historically have no right to be there?

Thank you for pointing out how easy it is if you take the time to read history before typing.
http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

This sure sounds like Obama’s ONE STATE SOLUTION!

Remember, Mrs. O. said we have to change the “traditions and history” of our country!
- And so, like other times throughout history, that’s where the battle will be enjoined!

It’ll be evolved thinkers vs. the Democratic Party, circa 2012.
RichS

Mosesdinoark said:
Im assuming you live in Ohio so humor me…how would you like it if the UN came to where you lived and told you ,its now the Sate of Shawnee and you must move? I think you might have some issues, no?

No one told the Palestinians they had to move. No one ever heard of the Palestinians. Palestine was the name given to the area by the British. The “Palestinians” were allowed to live in Isreal but in the Arab states they were kept in concentration camps. Why don’t you rail against the Arab states for doing that?
Pablo

insideguy said:
Hey righties go to israel, then go where the Palestinians live it aint a pretty picture I have been there.

In a lot of way, that goes for anyplace Muslims live. As for the Jews, they’ve built an oasis, a wonderful place to live in a hostile, unforgiving place.

If I were a Pali, I’d get busy trying to be more like Israel instead of pursuing the hopeless quest of destroying her.
Pablo

RichS said:
No one told the Palestinians they had to move.

Actually, someone told them to get out and it wasn’t the Jews nor was it the UN. It was their fellow Arabs, who told them to get out of the way while they destroyed Israel. That didn’t work as planned. It never does.
Barack Must Go

Has any news organization thought to station a reporter outside the cellar entrance to the White House. The one where the secret czars & the Dalai Lama ( was forced to ) enter & exit. This way the ” real ” American people could see just how many al Qaeda couriers Barack is employing at taxpayers expense.
insideguy

Look Pablo I know the jews have built a nice place vie been there. We have built a nice place here in the United States as well. We moved all the indians onto reservations after we didn’t know what to do with them either. If you were a Pali you would get busy to try and make it a nice place? Man you have no idea what conditions they live under dude. Im not defending the Palestinians but all of these general statements mean you don’t know what you are talking about. Its a bit more complicated than have them build a nice place and shut up.
billwhit1357

There’s no such thing as “Palestine”

“Palestine” is the name that the Romans gave to the land of Israel when they conquered this land 2000 years ago and Wikipedia explains (Israel) :

It was during this time that the Romans gave the name Syria Palaestina to the geographic area, in an attempt to erase Jewish ties to the land. The Mishnah and Jerusalem Talmud, two of Judaism’s most important religious texts, were composed in the region during this period. The Muslims conquered the land from the Byzantine Empire in 638 CE. The area was ruled by various Muslim states (interrupted by the rule of the Crusaders) before becoming part of the Ottoman Empire in 1517.
And also the Greeks prior to the Romans:

Abba Eban wrote in his book ‘My nation – The history of the nation of Israel’ in page 64 that the Greek historian Herodotos used the name ‘Palestina’, that is ‘Pleshet’, for the first time as a complete name for all the land of Israel while in the past it referred only to the populated areas of the Philistines themselves.

Abba Eban added that the Philistines, who settled down in the shore area, were the first ones with whom the Greek invaders encountered thus the Greeks called all the land in the name of the Philistines.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” nation.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” state.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” kingdom.

There were never in the history of the world “Palestinian” kings.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” capital.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” essence.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” heritage.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” culture.

The “Palestinians” are ARABS who were brought to the region by the Ottoman empire as part of the Muslim occupation in the region and later on also by the British who entered masses of Arabs from the surroundings while closing Israel to its genuine owners. Arabs from countries like Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Yemen emigrated to Israel in the beginning of the 20th century to look for employment (due to the development of this land by the Judean inhabitants) while pretending to be living in Israel “for thousands of years…” These Arabs are definitely not the tribes from Crete who settled down in the 5 cities of Gaza strip after the Exodus of Israel from Egypt. These tribes were called Philistines and they weren’t Arabs at all and the nowadays “Palestinians” are definitely not their descendants. The Philistines don’t exist as a nation nowadays.

There’s no “Palestinian” nation but an ARAB one which went out of the Arabian Peninsula and occupied dozens of lands, including the land of Israel.

According to the Israeli Wikipedia the Arabs who were living in the land of Israel started to call themselves “Palestinians” only after the establishment of Israel in 1948 and prior to it they called themselves just ‘Arabs’ and this is how they called their organizations (‘Arab Higher Committee’) and their struggles (‘The Great Arab Revolt’) and nicknamed the land of Israel in different names such as ‘Southern Syria’.

Zuheir Mohsen is widely known for having made the following statement in a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
There was an Israeli state in the land of Israel 2000 years before the prophet of Islam dreamt that he’s flying on a “magical horse” from Mecca to Jerusalem.

There was an Israeli nation in the land of Israel.

There was an Israeli kingdom in the land of Israel.

There were Israeli kings in the Israeli kingdom of Israel.

There was an Israeli capital in the kingdom of Israel.

There was and there is an Israeli essence.

There was and there is an Israeli heritage.

There was and there is an Israeli culture.

Israel isn’t just a name of a state. It’s first and for all a name of a nation (Am Yisrael). Israel is the name of the father of the nation (Jacob) and Israelis are his descendants. The real meaning of the word ‘Israeli’ is someone who belongs to the nation of Israel and not only “a citizen of a state called Israel”. The word ‘Israeli’ (Yisraeli) is mentioned in the Torah and we use it in Hebrew till this day. Yisraelim in plural.

Don’t say “Jews”, say Judeans. Yehudi in Hebrew is Judean in English, not “Jew”. “Jews” is a mockery word for Judeans. The word ‘Judeans’ was invented by gentiles. When the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans conquered the land of Israel they called all the Israelis in the name ‘Judeans’ because at those days the tribe of Judah was the biggest and the dominant tribe which survived the exile of Assyria in which 10 tribes of Israel were exiled. The tribe of Judah lived in the Judean desert thus the gentiles who occupied the land of Israel called the members of this tribe (and also the ones of Benjamin and Levi who joined it) in the name ‘Judeans’.

When Israelis (Judeans) who live abroad go to synagogue they don’t read about Judeans and not about “Jews” in the prayer books nor in the Torah but about ‘The Nation of Israel’, ‘The Children of Israel’, ‘The House of Israel’, ‘Israeli’, ‘Shema Yisrael’, etc. They are Israelis because they belong to the nation of Israel even if they aren’t citizens of a state called Israel. Both of the words ‘Judeans’ and ‘Israelis’ refer to nationality, to ethnic identity and not to religion. Judeans are members of the tribe of Judah and not “people who believe in Judaism”. And the nation isn’t called Judah but Israel, and so does the land and in the future the 10 tribes will return to this nation.

Israelity (“Judaism”) isn’t a “religion” but a historical national covenant between G-d and the Israelis.

That’s why Arab citizens of Israel don’t define themselves as Israelis but as Arab/”Palestinian” citizens of a state CALLED Israel. They aren’t members of the Israeli nation but of the Ishmaelite nation. Ishmael used to shoot arrows at Isaac (father of Israel) while saying: “I’m only playing…” That’s why there’s no “Israeli-Palestinian conflict” but a WAR that the Ishmaelites/Arabs opened on the Israelis. Also Muhammad murdered Israelis in Saudi Arabia who refused to accept his murderous pagan dream.

That’s why we should say: End the Arab occupation in the land of Israel!

Couple of facts that the haters of Israel don’t like:

Israel became a state in 1312 B.C., two millennia before Islam.

Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.

After conquering the land in 1272 B.C., Israelis ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.

The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C. lasted just 22 years.

For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Israeli capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.

Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Tanach, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an.

King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.

Israelis pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.

In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Israeli presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier.

Virtually the entire Israeli population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.

Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Israelis were forced to leave the Muslim countries.

In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group to have never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Israeli refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey, USA.

There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting “Palestine”. There is only one Israeli state.

Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel.

During the Jordanian occupation, Israeli holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Israelis. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths.

The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Israeli cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Israelis from accessing the temple mount and western wall.

Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
justanotherconservative

Oregon Conservative said:
I hate you Obama and I stand with Israel!

ditto.
Pablo

insideguy said:
If you were a Pali you would get busy to try and make it a nice place? Man you have no idea what conditions they live under dude.

Yes, I do. Especially in Gaza, where they live under Hamas, which is why it’s an utter hellhole. I also understand how Israeli Arabs live, which is generally quite nicely. Why is that?

Let me quote the late Hamas founder, Ismail Abu Shanab:

”When the Israelis were here, we lived our lives better than now, in every way. Believe me.”

One group of people sows prosperity, the other sows hate and death. That’s just the way it is.
tiredofbs

Muslim Journalist: Jerusalem Arabs Prefer Israeli Sovereignty

Jerusalem’s Arab residents vastly prefer to live under Israeli sovereignty than the PA,
according to Muslim Arab journalist Khaled Abu Toameh.
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

insideguy said:
If you were a Pali you would get busy to try and make it a nice place? Man you have no idea what conditions they live under dude. Im not defending the Palestinians but all of these general statements mean you don’t know what you are talking about. Its a bit more complicated than have them build a nice place and shut up.

But the Palestinian authorities have intentionally kept the territories like they are. And not just in Israel. Look at Lebanon – now run by Hezbollah – where massive “refugee camps” have gone from tents to closely packed ramshackle structures in a walled compound. The Lebanese government (AKA Hezbollah) keeps it that way so they have the visual for the media, Same in the West Bank and Gaza. Enough money has been poured in there by the rest of the world, including Israel, to turn it into a nice place, but, again, the Palestinian authorities prefer the media image to their people’s well being.

And while the Palestinian people suffer, their self-appointed “leaders” live in relative luxury. The murderer Arafat’s widow is happily living in France with the billions he stole from the food money. Abbas and the Hamas leadership have nice homes and all the amenities while their people have nothing.

Keep in mind that the Palestinians under Fatah and Hamas have zero freedoms. They cannot decide to build a new house or start a business. In fact, until just yesterday, honor killings were legal in the territories. Yesterday, as in May 19, 2011.

Those Arabs/Palestinians that live in Israel have all of the same rights, freedoms and opportunities as Israelis do.
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

The truth is that, if given the chance, most of the Palestinian people would turn away from the violence and hate and build a better life for their families. If given the chance which Hamas, Fatah and Hezbollah do not ever give them.

It is not uncommon for Palestinians to be dragged from their homes by “security forces” and shot for suspicion of collaborating with Israel.
Pablo

Keeva said:
The truth is that, if given the chance, most of the Palestinian people would turn away from the violence and hate and build a better life for their families. If given the chance which Hamas, Fatah and Hezbollah do not ever give them.

It is not uncommon for Palestinians to be dragged from their homes by “security forces” and shot for suspicion of collaborating with Israel.

Hamas and Fatah have long been at war with each other. If they’re not killing Jews, they’re killing each other. These are the most pathological people on the planet and this is by design, not coincidence. The entire reason that “Palestinians” exist is to further the Arab desire for the elimination of Israel.
CAconservative

Yesterday’s decision to sell-out Israel will be the final nail in his loosing bid to be reelected. His continuing coddling of Muslim countries over our own allies reached it’s summit with this moronic speech. No one can justify this clowns position.
CAconservative

Just watched the Israeli prime-minister tell Obimbo to put his plan where the sun don’t shine… nicely!! So much fun to watch Obimbo the clown do his backpedaling, tap-dance. That’s what happens when this clown deal with real leaders he suddenly discovers he’s only the president of the U.S. and not the world.
mlb

Obama has no right to call upon the nations of the world to support the expectation that Israel leave land it won in a war. Just as he has no right to call upon ANY sovereign nation and tell them what to do with their borders. (maybe he should start with addressing the borders in his own country) What are the concessions that the Palestinians are giving up? – none. why is it that “Israel must act boldly” to sustain peace? Where is your rejection of Palestine Obama? – you cannot call the government a terrorist organization without condemning the people who voted and allowed their leadership to prosper.

By putting the expectation of peace solely at the feet of on Israel to make concessions Obama is essentially saying Palestinians are incapable of peace, satisfaction and lack sound leadership. So, if that is the reasoning, isn’t it safe to say they will never be satisfied with any line drawn in the sand, regardless if they get the entire West Bank. They have made their intentions clear: they want to wipe Israel of the map. Obama needs to shut up – it isn’t his peace to negotiate.

It isn’t Israel fault that Palestinian’s live the way they do, with all those Arab nations that support it, why do they not focus on their infrastructure, business, education and stop playing the victims? Why? Because they are the perfect PR backdrop to bring Israel to it’s knees. They are willing to be used to show the world how “evil” those Israeli’s are.
Here’s a question for Obama, are we better off with the existence of Israel or Palestine? Because we know the goals of both. One is annihilation, the other is survival. That will never change regardless of any border.
on another note…
Obama speaks as if Egypt is already a democracy and because of that, we are relieving them on 1 billion in debt? Someone please explain to me this President idea of looking out for our nations best interest and where he has the audacity to think the world should give his words a measure of substance?
insideguy

mlb says:
May 20, 2011 at 3:24 pm (Quote)
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Obama has no right to call upon the nations of the world to support the expectation that Israel leave land it won in a war.

Really? Wow i guess the first president bush shouldn’t have told Iraq to leave Kuwait then.
insideguy

And I know that wasn’t palestines land that they took but It was somebodies hmm I wonder who’s land they took. Guys you seem like smart people but its just like a conservative to try and simplify a very complicated problem.
brownsound

insideguy said:

Really? Wow i guess the first president bush shouldn’t have told Iraq to leave Kuwait then.

insideguy said:
And I know that wasn’t palestines land that they took but It was somebodies hmm I wonder who’s land they took. Guys you seem like smart people but its just like a conservative to try and simplify a very complicated problem.

You mean simplify like like that first quote of yours above? Which is a complete false equivalency to begin with.
insideguy

Naaa brownsound I was answering another buffoons question cause he simplified something so i was going to his level so he could understand. Who did Israel take that land from? Or did it just appear out of thin air. Nope it was Egypts, Syrias, and Jordans. Now they took this land and rightfully so after the 6 day war. Buuuut see they maybe would like to give it back one day. Maybe they should just take more land what the hell.
insideguy

Mlb stated clearly that we shouldn’t be able to tell any sovereign nation and tell them what to do with their borders. Hell maybe when Germany goes back into the Rhineland MLB will support it. Beats me.
insideguy

And please please when a republican gets into office I hope you guys are as critical of him and his policy towards israel. Cause I posted earlier Mr. Bush was a big fan of the two state solution. Now I wasn’t on this board back then but I knowwwww you guys were jumping all over him and calling him an islamist communist.
cyberk9sheriff

Jeepers…. did Obama get a slaking in the white house, again… LOL, Now why would Glenn Beck be asking Americans to stand with Israel. Because Obama kissed up to the Israelis to get the votes, now he toss them under the bus.

The one nation we can count on more than any other and Obama does this. He shouldn’t asked Israel to go back to 1967 boundaries, but back to the Solomons period when Israel was at it Greatest. I didn’t remember even seeing a Pakistan on that map… Besides it they got the land they would want more and still fight with Israel, or among themselves.

This will get a lot of you, But God is in charge and always will be
insideguy

Great point cyberk9sheriff if I could understand anything you just typed.
TucsonTerpFan

And the left thinks this man (Obama) is the smartest man alive?

Who are the people advising him, or does he come up with this “stuff” on his own?

Hey libs, how are things under Obama’s latest bus?
Snidely

What an ignorant POS! And that’s the best assessment I can think of. More likely he knows precisely what retreating to 1967 boundaries would mean to Israel, the destruction of the Jewish state, and the death of the Jewish inhabitants.
Pablo

insideguy said:
And I know that wasn’t palestines land that they took but It was somebodies hmm I wonder who’s land they took. Guys you seem like smart people but its just like a conservative to try and simplify a very complicated problem.

Well, there’s three ways of looking at it:

1. Who has the oldest claim to the land?

2. Who has the most current claim to the land?

3. Who is able to keep the land?

Why should any other criteria be used to resolve the question? Explain, please.
Pablo

insideguy said:
Nope it was Egypts, Syrias, and Jordans. Now they took this land and rightfully so after the 6 day war. Buuuut see they maybe would like to give it back one day. Maybe they should just take more land what the hell.

Well, that is a deeply nuanced and forcefully argued solution. It’s completely out of the box, but it just might work! Good God, man, get yourself to Jerusalem and explain it to everyone, already! You can be the key.

There just one little hitch. Every time Israel gives land back (which it has done repeatedly) attacks against her get launched from those places. So, maybe they should just go with the take more land option, huh? Bingo! You, sir, are brilliant.
Pablo

Who has that old saying about “From the river to the sea.”? That’s a pretty solid idea.
X-3

Again “dear leader” slaps the face of our only ally in the Middle East. I stand with Israel.
insideguy

oh what do you mean pablo you mean like giving back the gaza strip in 2005 under the bush admin? Well this is what fascinates me about you guys! Why is Israel in greater danger now than it was before? It has gone through multiple wars been invaded by all sides endured everything you can imagine. Why would a bunch of palestianins threaten them that much . I gave you guys an extensive history on Israel before. In regards to what is going on now it is a picnic to what has gone on before. The whole point of this blog was to expose Glenn Beck and his paranoia about the arab countries taking over Israel and destroying them. I have told you this isn’t going to happen, Israel had crushed these people time and again when the arab countries were much more organized than they are now.Now you can believe what beck is selling or you cant. He knows he selling you a 50 50 bet. Which in his mind is good enough to get your money and attention. He isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop this idiocy and even if he tried he could not. He’s taking advantage of poor foolish peoples fears about the middle east who have no knowledge of the history and using it for his advantage. Period .
insideguy

And Pablo honestly don’t give me the who’s land it is and who’s land it was argument. Cause with that maybe you should leave wherever you are and give it to a native american. Just leave give it to them. Lets get into nuance.
insideguy

And what cracks me up about conservatives. Is when i put up a good argument you guys say oh thats a strawman or its to nuanced or its forcefully argued Bulls#t how bout its a good freaking argument and its a good point. Ill give you that if you make a good point and i have. Don’t try and deflect something as to complicated or nuanced or whatever. This world is not black and white. You guys enjoy arguing in black and white but when it becomes “nuanced” retreat to your same old bs,and try to keep it simple.
brownsound

billwhit1357 said:
There’s no such thing as “Palestine”

“Palestine” is the name that the Romans gave to the land of Israel when they conquered this land 2000 years ago and Wikipedia explains (Israel) :

It was during this time that the Romans gave the name Syria Palaestina to the geographic area, in an attempt to erase Jewish ties to the land. The Mishnah and Jerusalem Talmud, two of Judaism’s most important religious texts, were composed in the region during this period. The Muslims conquered the land from the Byzantine Empire in 638 CE. The area was ruled by various Muslim states (interrupted by the rule of the Crusaders) before becoming part of the Ottoman Empire in 1517.
And also the Greeks prior to the Romans:

Abba Eban wrote in his book ‘My nation – The history of the nation of Israel’ in page 64 that the Greek historian Herodotos used the name ‘Palestina’, that is ‘Pleshet’, for the first time as a complete name for all the land of Israel while in the past it referred only to the populated areas of the Philistines themselves.

Abba Eban added that the Philistines, who settled down in the shore area, were the first ones with whom the Greek invaders encountered thus the Greeks called all the land in the name of the Philistines.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” nation.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” state.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” kingdom.

There were never in the history of the world “Palestinian” kings.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” capital.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” essence.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” heritage.

There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” culture.

The “Palestinians” are ARABS who were brought to the region by the Ottoman empire as part of the Muslim occupation in the region and later on also by the British who entered masses of Arabs from the surroundings while closing Israel to its genuine owners. Arabs from countries like Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Yemen emigrated to Israel in the beginning of the 20th century to look for employment (due to the development of this land by the Judean inhabitants) while pretending to be living in Israel “for thousands of years…” These Arabs are definitely not the tribes from Crete who settled down in the 5 cities of Gaza strip after the Exodus of Israel from Egypt. These tribes were called Philistines and they weren’t Arabs at all and the nowadays “Palestinians” are definitely not their descendants. The Philistines don’t exist as a nation nowadays.

There’s no “Palestinian” nation but an ARAB one which went out of the Arabian Peninsula and occupied dozens of lands, including the land of Israel.

According to the Israeli Wikipedia the Arabs who were living in the land of Israel started to call themselves “Palestinians” only after the establishment of Israel in 1948 and prior to it they called themselves just ‘Arabs’ and this is how they called their organizations (‘Arab Higher Committee’) and their struggles (‘The Great Arab Revolt’) and nicknamed the land of Israel in different names such as ‘Southern Syria’.

Zuheir Mohsen is widely known for having made the following statement in a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
There was an Israeli state in the land of Israel 2000 years before the prophet of Islam dreamt that he’s flying on a “magical horse” from Mecca to Jerusalem.

There was an Israeli nation in the land of Israel.

There was an Israeli kingdom in the land of Israel.

There were Israeli kings in the Israeli kingdom of Israel.

There was an Israeli capital in the kingdom of Israel.

There was and there is an Israeli essence.

There was and there is an Israeli heritage.

There was and there is an Israeli culture.

Israel isn’t just a name of a state. It’s first and for all a name of a nation (Am Yisrael). Israel is the name of the father of the nation (Jacob) and Israelis are his descendants. The real meaning of the word ‘Israeli’ is someone who belongs to the nation of Israel and not only “a citizen of a state called Israel”. The word ‘Israeli’ (Yisraeli) is mentioned in the Torah and we use it in Hebrew till this day. Yisraelim in plural.

Don’t say “Jews”, say Judeans. Yehudi in Hebrew is Judean in English, not “Jew”. “Jews” is a mockery word for Judeans. The word ‘Judeans’ was invented by gentiles. When the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans conquered the land of Israel they called all the Israelis in the name ‘Judeans’ because at those days the tribe of Judah was the biggest and the dominant tribe which survived the exile of Assyria in which 10 tribes of Israel were exiled. The tribe of Judah lived in the Judean desert thus the gentiles who occupied the land of Israel called the members of this tribe (and also the ones of Benjamin and Levi who joined it) in the name ‘Judeans’.

When Israelis (Judeans) who live abroad go to synagogue they don’t read about Judeans and not about “Jews” in the prayer books nor in the Torah but about ‘The Nation of Israel’, ‘The Children of Israel’, ‘The House of Israel’, ‘Israeli’, ‘Shema Yisrael’, etc. They are Israelis because they belong to the nation of Israel even if they aren’t citizens of a state called Israel. Both of the words ‘Judeans’ and ‘Israelis’ refer to nationality, to ethnic identity and not to religion. Judeans are members of the tribe of Judah and not “people who believe in Judaism”. And the nation isn’t called Judah but Israel, and so does the land and in the future the 10 tribes will return to this nation.

Israelity (“Judaism”) isn’t a “religion” but a historical national covenant between G-d and the Israelis.

That’s why Arab citizens of Israel don’t define themselves as Israelis but as Arab/”Palestinian” citizens of a state CALLED Israel. They aren’t members of the Israeli nation but of the Ishmaelite nation. Ishmael used to shoot arrows at Isaac (father of Israel) while saying: “I’m only playing…” That’s why there’s no “Israeli-Palestinian conflict” but a WAR that the Ishmaelites/Arabs opened on the Israelis. Also Muhammad murdered Israelis in Saudi Arabia who refused to accept his murderous pagan dream.

That’s why we should say: End the Arab occupation in the land of Israel!

Couple of facts that the haters of Israel don’t like:

Israel became a state in 1312 B.C., two millennia before Islam.

Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.

After conquering the land in 1272 B.C., Israelis ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.

The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C. lasted just 22 years.

For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Israeli capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.

Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Tanach, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an.

King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.

Israelis pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.

In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Israeli presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier.

Virtually the entire Israeli population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.

Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Israelis were forced to leave the Muslim countries.

In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group to have never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Israeli refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey, USA.

There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting “Palestine”. There is only one Israeli state.

Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel.

During the Jordanian occupation, Israeli holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Israelis. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths.

The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Israeli cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Israelis from accessing the temple mount and western wall.

Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
insideguy

What you accept is the land given to the jewish people by the UN in 1947. Now what you also accept is the land taken by the Jewish people taken by them since 1947, now this was not accepted by the UN. Now if you look at a map the land given to Israel wasn’t what the Bible said was Israel. Would you accept these boundaries? Would it be Ok if Israel just moved in there and started to settle? Do you agree with the UN boundaries or not? If not ok then let israel take what the bible said was their land.
insideguy

Ok Pablo let Israel take the land from the river to the sea. Lets wait and see how that works out and when that happens find me one, one legitimate leader in the united states who would support Israel doing that. See guys I live in the real world, you live in some rightwing crazy fantasy land. Ive shown you what dear leader Bush wants. And get use to it cause not president right or left is going to say anything like what you guys want him to say. None. Heres an idea from river to sea. Why don’t you pick up a rifle go over there and make sure that gets done since you are such a believer in it. See how far that gets you.
insideguy

Snidely says:
May 20, 2011 at 11:00 pm (Quote)
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What an ignorant POS! And that’s the best assessment I can think of. More likely he knows precisely what retreating to 1967 boundaries would mean to Israel, the destruction of the Jewish state, and the death of the Jewish inhabitants.

Why would it be the destruction of the jewish state? or the death of its inhabitants. Israel would still be Israel pre 1967 they seemed to survive just fine for 20 years prior to that. And they would survive and prosper still. Hell we’ve given them 150 Billion dollars to survive so I think they will be just fine.
HeavenSent

No problem, I’m FOR the moving to 67′ boarders, I want peace, but that’s fine by me ONLY if Obama himself comes here to sit in Israel, just in case, you know… (When the obvious and worse happens).

Don’t tell me it won’t, NO ONE ASSURES US THAT.
We can’t leave in such fear, such a small country, can be wiped out easily, not enough that there was a solid reason to why we went into war on the 67′, it lasted 6 days, and only after we took back those lands, we were feeling a relief of a better safety…

One who doesn’t know a thing, shouldn’t speak about such issue like they know it all, seriously, come live with us here when the turning back to 67′ boarders happen. How much could you take of what Israel takes almost everyday?

Soon you’ll see running on the net – a clip which explains EXACTLY WHY this is impossible to accept, it’s not translated to English, therefore there’s no use to share it here right now. It was done with a lot of effort, with graphics and proofs.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Michael-Barry/100002037900204 Jason Michael Barry

PEACE BASED, IS THE PURPOSE AND THE AIM OF MY WORDS I JASON MICHAEL BARRY3533 HAVE WAIVED IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU ARE A LIFE, AND HAVE BEEN ALIVE LONGER THAN I CAN THINK, SO YOU DID NOT TELL ME A THING, SO YOU SAY IF I WAS TAKEN OUT, SOME ONE SAID THEY SAID THEY WOUD
DO SOME THING TO A MILLION PEOPLE, WELL WORLD WAR 2, WAS A WAR MOST DO NOT UNDER STAND,
HEAR WE GO, BEFOR THE METAL AGE, THE GERMAN AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE WERE LIVEING AND NOT ABLE TO START A WORLD WAR, SO FROM A TIME THAT THE METAL WAS A FORM OF FORMING TOOLS AND FORMING THERE MINDS TO IDEA OF MAN-KIND, II DO NOT THINK THE JEWISH PEOPLE COULD EVER HAVE GONE TO WAR WITH THE GERMANS SO THE PROBLEM WAS, WHAT WERE THEY TO DO WHILE A SINGEL IDEA THAT SOME ONE WANTED MORE THAN THEY NEEDED, IM JASON MICHAEL BARRY3533. DO NOT LIKE THE THOUGHT OF THE PAST ,THINK OF THE ONE’S IT HURT. BY.
Phocus2

In “Audacity of Hope” he writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

And the American Jew remains a liberal first, Jew second?
CAconservative

insideguy:

You do realize that Israel is constantly being targeted for terror attacks that originate in Palestine, don’t you?
Palestine, that place that is not recognized as a country. If Mexico was constantly attacking us with missiles and human bombers how long do you think we would allow Mexico to exist? Mexico would have been gone…yesterday!
insideguy

CAconservative Palestine would still be on Israel borders regardless of where those borders are. Im really not clear what you guys want. Is the status quo ok with you guys? Or would you like Israel to take more land? Im not being sarcastic here seriously, I have seen all of your guys arguments against two states and moving the borders bla bla. What is your solution? And your United states Mexico thing is just to dumb to comment on.
brownsound

Inside:

Yes. The west bank is plenty, too much in fact. What don’t you understand about this:

The Palestinian Authority are the effective gov’t for “Palestine”.
The Palestinian Authority’s “elected” officials are Hamas members.
Hamas is a recognized terror organization, by among many others, the United States
Hamas’ constitution has a stated goal of the destruction of Israel and extermination of Jews.

From the British controlled territory, modern Jordan was created for these barbarians. There’s no such thing as a Palestinian. But it wasn’t enough. Gaza and West Bank aren’t enough. 1967 lines won’t be enough.

Islam has no claim to Jerusalem. The only Muslim “holy sites” there constructed on the remains of Judeo-Christian sites. Jerusalem is not mentioned 1 single time in the Koran. The Muslims have as much claim to Jerusalem as Buddhist and Hindus do. ZERO. Just like the Buddhist Bamiyan monuments were destroyed in Afghanistan by the Taliban and the previous destruction of holy sites in Jerusalem, the intolerant Islamists will do the same in modern Israel. This scum can never have access to those lands.

I guess in your world Spain is being occupied right now too? After all, it was once Muslim controlled territory. Apparently, any land that was once conquered by Muslims is their divine right from that day forward? The Israeli territory was theirs for 1000′s of years before the pedophile Muhammad was EVEN BORN.

What is, really, your justification for standing with these killers? If one group of people, has a public stance that another group HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST IN THIS WORLD, how do you even begin to have a conversation with them? Before you even ask, yes I have a problem with every other single US politician that has even considered negotiating with these people.

Notice I have questions riddled throughout this post. I expect you to address them. If you’d like to go off on a rant about the plight of poor poor “palestinians” then I’ll go ahead and ignore you. Notice that I answered your questions from the previous post.
timcajun

mlb says:
By putting the expectation of peace solely at the feet of on Israel to make concessions Obama is essentially saying Palestinians are incapable of peace, satisfaction and lack sound leadership. So, if that is the reasoning, isn’t it safe to say they will never be satisfied with any line drawn in the sand, regardless if they get the entire West Bank. They have made their intentions clear: they want to wipe Israel of the map. Obama needs to shut up – it isn’t his peace to negotiate.

…………………….
At least when you spin, have a clue who is making what concessions! True “tea” standard, tell one side”only”!
Peace isn’t Obamas to make! You may be right, it’s all on Beck for his “look at me I am a fake christian Israel tour”, but that’s ok!
insideguy

Im not standing with them brownsound. If what they have is enough by your standards i guess that fine at least you answered. My problem is not that the Palestinians are a pain in the butt, and you are right a lot of the people if not all of them in that area don’t want Israel to exist. My point being is that the UN gave the Jewish people this land in 1946. Fine they deserved it. What they gave them is not what Israel owns now because of various wars. This was land taken during the wars. There is a general consensus among the USA and not just Obama that a two state solution is the way to go. The status quo cannot exist as is. You may be right about certain arab elements who will never except Israel no matter what Israel gives back, I cant argue with that. Im just confused by the fact that Israel took this land by force. It wasn’t given to them period. They survived before they had this land, why couldn’t they do it now? Once again I go back to, this was not the land deeded to them in 1946 its not theirs and no one even the USA says it is. They have given back other segments of land they have occupied and Israel is still there as far as I can tell. Heres my theory on it just me thinking. I think there is a certain segment that does not want a two state solution, because when Israel is threatened in the future and if Palestine had its own state Israel would not be able to move on them as easily as they do now because it would constitute invading a sovereign nation. This would cause even more tension in the region. When thugs launch rockets into Israel now the army responds and doesn’t have to worry that much about the political ramifications because they are not attacking another country. Same goes for the Palestininans, if they had their own state then they and whoever their leader may be would be held directly responsible for any attack on Israel. They would suffer the consequences because it would be one sovereign nation attacking another. As it is now the leader of the PLO or whatever can claim I don’t know who these people are its not my responsibility to control them. But if they were there own state they would be held accountable, Im not sure they want that.
insideguy

and regardless i just think its amazing that this little slice of land in the desert has so many consequences and is so important it really is a fascinating subject.
brownsound

insideguy said:
What they gave them is not what Israel owns now because of various wars. This was land taken during the wars. There is a general consensus among the USA and not just Obama that a two state solution is the way to go. The status quo cannot exist as is. You may be right about certain arab elements who will never except Israel no matter what Israel gives back, I cant argue with that. Im just confused by the fact that Israel took this land by force. It wasn’t given to them period

I’m pretty sure that all those conflicts were in response to either terrorist or military aggression by their neighbors. They were attacked because the vulnerable boarders at that time invited attack. It happened repeatedly because the lines drawn were basically indefensible. As Netanyahu continually explains. So, after repeated attempts at annihilation, they did what they had to do… move the boarders/lines of engagement to a defensible position. It’s my understanding that Israel has not taken land without some sort of prior provocation.

insideguy said:
They survived before they had this land, why couldn’t they do it now?

They survived by repeatedly beating back aggression that was provoked/invited by a geographically vulnerable target. With the advancement in weaponry today, those boarders (pre 1967) are even more vulnerable today.

The Islamists don’t really want a peace agreement with any set of boarders. If that happened, their #1 “politically acceptable grievance” against the Jews would evaporate. Today, they can cloak their institutionalized desire to eradicate the Jews (and in fact all infidels) in the “Palestinian conflict”. But even if it does come about… whatever government is set up in Palestine, they will publicly condemn terrorism while privately sympathizing and most likely supporting terrorist operations against Israel. Do we really think that a core belief within their religion (which is really more than religion, a social system that dictates everything from gov’t to economics, etc) is going to change? That core belief being that Jews are spawn of monkeys and pigs and have no place on earth.

If every Muslim in the world laid down their arms against Israel tomorrow, there would be peace. If Israel laid down it’s arms tomorrow, they’d be quickly annihilated. It’s sad but true.

This sums it up pretty good for me:
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/05/21/gene-simmons-slams-president-obamas-israel-policy-he-has-no-f-ing-idea-what-the-world-is-like/#more-477896
tiredofbs

brownsound said:
brownsound says:

May 21, 2011 at 2:53 pm (Quote)

insideguy said:
What they ga

Thank You both for the very informative/ civilized couple of posts/ discussion.
Very honest /good read
Alz

Phocus2 said:
In “Audacity of Hope” he writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

And the American Jew remains a liberal first, Jew second?

Technically, Obama didn’t write it. It seems Ayers was the true author.
Alz

insideguy said:
Snidely says:
May 20, 2011 at 11:00 pm (Quote)
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What an ignorant POS! And that’s the best assessment I can think of. More likely he knows precisely what retreating to 1967 boundaries would mean to Israel, the destruction of the Jewish state, and the death of the Jewish inhabitants.

Why would it be the destruction of the jewish state? or the death of its inhabitants. Israel would still be Israel pre 1967 they seemed to survive just fine for 20 years prior to that. And they would survive and prosper still. Hell we’ve given them 150 Billion dollars to survive so I think they will be just fine.

The 1967 borders are indefensible. For you liberals out there, it means the Arabs would ignore the borders and overrun them. The reason the borders moved is so there would be a buffer zone to keep the Arabs from killing the Israelis.

The Arabs are trying to kill the Israelis and destroy Israel while the Israelis are trying to survive.

When you look at the 1967 borders, it’s clear that they cannot work and Obama is okay with the destruction of Israel.