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Rachel Maddow Exposes Corporate Funding Of Tea Party Protests

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The Tea Party Tax Day protests yesterday got wall-to-wall coverage yesterday on the different news channels, from Fox News’ heroic depiction over to MSNBC where Rachel Maddow seemed even smirkier that usual. Maddow looked into the major corporations like Exxon and Phillip Morris that have ties to the Tea Party and yesterday’s protests in a segment called “Caught Red Handed” (we see what you did there, Ms. Maddow).

While big businesses funneling their money into different political groups either conservative, progressive, or the Whig Party is nothing new, the story gets interesting when it deals with Koch Industries who sent an e-mail to Talking Points Memo claiming they had nothing to do with the Tea Party. The weird thing is, no one had said they did. To quote a stuffy old playwright, it seems Koch doth protest too much. Video below.



How weird is that? If Koch wants to fund the Tea Partiers, that’s one thing, but what’s with the random e-mail? Didn’t they know that anyone who read it would instantly start investigating their claim? And as Maddow shows, it’s just a quick Google search to prove they’re lying. Just read what they wrote, it’s about as suspicious as you can get.

“Koch companies value free speech and believe it is good to have more Americans engaged in key policy issues. That said, Koch companies, the Koch foundations, Charles Koch and David Koch have no ties to and have never given money to FreedomWorks. In addition, no funding has been provided by Koch companies, the Koch foundations, Charles Koch or David Koch specifically to support the tea parties. Thanks for your consideration.”

We certainly hope that whoever wrote that e-mail never commits a crime any time soon because they are terrible at covering it up. We can see it now: they would randomly wander into a police station saying, “Guys, just so you know, I totes didn’t kill a prostitute last night.”

You can read the full story of the e-mail over at TPM.

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  • Jamestaylor

    Gees, Rachel, I guess the racist signs your side was supposed to bring to the rallies didn’t materialize. Oh well, try another mode of attack, eh?

    hahahahahah

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gordon-Bloyer/537945868 Gordon Bloyer

    Poor Rach, I guess the batteries died on her vibrator last night.

  • TKowalski

    Rich capitalists in todays America are, for the socialists, what Jews were for the Nazis.

    Sick!

  • TKowalski

    Lol! I was just a subject to Godwin’s Law :)

    Oh well. I stand by it.

  • Jamestaylor

    At her wedding, the minister said to RM: “You may now inflate the bride.”

  • slickerwick

    And the fauxgressive obots at MSNBC are funded by GE–you know, that big corporation. I guess the irony of that somehow escapes Maddow.

  • HanzoSword

    None of the above comments makes sense. I guess when the facts are presented in a honest and straightforward way the right has nothing left to do but make disgusting personal attacks.

    As Jon Stewart said last night, “Go **** yourselves.”

  • http://www.anonymousfinch.com AnonymousFinch

    A millionaire who works for the largest publicly traded conglomerate in the world is complaining about corporate funding? Corporate funding from a privately held corporation (Koch)? The same millionaire who has publicly admitted that she tried to get a job at Fox, the network that she now denounces every night? This is a comedy skit, right?

  • stoogedudes

    Oh, yes, Astroturf at its finest. And yes! Let’s disagree with Maddow by making lesbian jokes! Because we’re classy!

  • Bias-Media

    cut her some slack…she have to appeal to her liberal base at MSNBC…it’s the only way she can keep her job (or rather, keep a job)

  • roxsteady

    You’ll note that none of these name callers commented on the actual investigative journalism performed by Maddow? That’s because they watch fox and they don’t perform any journalism. It’s telling isn’t it? When you don’t like the facts or can’t dispute them, just attack the reporter. Childish!

  • felixw

    If Rachel Maddow wants to look at big business trying to corrupt the political process, she should start by looking in the mirror. “MSNBC is General Electric’s gift to the Obama administration,” as one pundit recently stated. The only difference is that the Kochs don’t get multibillion dollar government contracts in exchange for their support of the tea parties. You can’t say the same for Jeff Immelt and General Electric, who stand to make money off a host of Obama policies and programs.

    Get real, Rachel. To focus on the Kochs, while giving a pass to Jeff Immelt is sheer hypocrisy.

  • tws258

    Rachel, wave to your fans as you jump the shark.

    George Soros anyone ………Buehler……………Buehler

  • stoogedudes

    You don’t see Maddow donating millions to progressive protests. How many rallies has GE funded or at least funded in part or even sponsored? Also, I don’t know when Maddow tried to get at job at Fox, but that was likely before Fox started becoming more activist, with hosts (Hannity) actively promoting a Cincinatti Tea Party among others? I wouldn’t be surprised if News Corp. isn’t funding some of these protests.

  • roxsteady

    You mean that Immelt and GE were present at Liberal Teabagger reach around rallys? Nice try but, you don’t get to tell reporters what stories to cover. Try commenting on the one that’s posted. Oh, and the pundit you’re quoting wouldn’t be that ass hat Lou Dobbs would it? Racist unemployed stooge!

  • http://www.anonymousfinch.com AnonymousFinch

    roxsteady:

    Her actual investigative journalism is that a few years ago a privately held company contributed money to one of the organizations that is involved in the Tea Party movement. So what?

    For example, does Koch have more or less influence over the Tea Party movement than SEIU has over the Obama administration?

  • stoogedudes

    I think if a commentator can say MSNBC is General Electric’s gift to the Obama Administration, it would be equally valid to say that Fox News was News Corps. gift to the Bush Administration and will be a gift to the next Republican/Right wing administration that comes along. Some gift by GE, though. MSNBC gets a million viewers at most per night, Fox News gets twice, thrice, perhaps quadruple that a night? If McCain were more conservative, or Republicans picked a far right nominee for Pres in 2008, Fox News would have given us that person as President.

  • roxsteady

    Yes! But, we’re not talking about the SEIU. They aren’t mentioned in this article or hadn’t you noticed?

  • roxsteady

    Yes, ratings are what’s important when it comes to news. Facts really have no place on a news show.

  • felixw

    The Kochs give money to support causes they like. That is a big story? Meanwhile GE is putting on a 24/7 infomercial for Obama, under the rubric of MSNBC in exchange for huge government contracts. Hey Rachel, why don’t you talk about the elephant in the room. You want to find corruption, start by interviewing your boss, and his boss.

  • stoogedudes

    That’s not what I’m saying. I’m just saying that MSNBC isn’t much of a gift to the Obama administration as Fox News was a gift to the Bush Administration. You have to acknowledge that Fox News gets higher ratings regularly than MSNBC.

  • valkyrie101

    finch,
    You really would come off as more credible if you just say, yes, Koch is a big backer of the tea party movement, and we are happy for his sponsorship. Don’t deny the man is a player, embrace him, he’s yours, so what?

  • Jamestaylor

    RM, do a story on how GE makes MSNBC run a “Green Week” campaign each year and how GE is heavily involved in the HC and energy industries and how it stands to profit from BHO’s policies while GE’s Chairman sits on one of BHO’s Economic panels.

  • http://www.anonymousfinch.com AnonymousFinch

    Valkyrie:

    Did you read what I wrote? I didn’t deny it. I said “So what?” And nobody has answered that question yet. This is only “news” if: (1) you consider corporations an a priori evil (I don’t); and, (2) the Tea Party has a disproportionate level of corporate funding compared to other political organizations like the DNC and RNC (it doesn’t).

    This is only considered “news” by the Pavlovians in Maddow’s audience who have been trained to bark and salivate whenever they hear the word “corporation.”

  • valkyrie101

    The only question is who owns who? Does Koch own the tea party, or does the tea party own Koch? You have to argue that the tea party owns Koch. If so, its cool, make no apologies. He’s just a wealthy backer of your cause.

    But isn’t it cool that the corporate bosses would benefit most from lower taxes and less regulation (i.e. smaller government), and here we have one of those guys funding a “grass roots” movement against taxes and in favor of less regulation and smaller government.

  • Bias-Media

    @stoogedudes

    Fox is a gift NOT to the Bush Administration; but to the American people. The MSM have consistently been liberal leaning; Fox offered a good balance.

    The mere fact that Fox’s audience base have consistently grown as its coverage now spans two administrations that are distinctly different in all aspects is a clear indication that more people are finding Fox more entertaining, more trustworthy, more whatever than the MSM

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gordon-Bloyer/537945868 Gordon Bloyer

    Notice how touchy the lefty loons are.
    I did not mention the “investigative” report because who cares. The Soviets funded anti-war protests during the Vietnam war. That was news that was never reported during the war.
    When I was participating in Tax Action Day for years we never had any corporate donations. I wish they had given me some money.
    To the Maddow’s of the world, anyone that gives to the Tea Parties is suspect. Duh, where is the news in that?
    I am about to make a video that will expose just some of the LIES of the RACHE.

  • germ

    valkyrie101 says:
    April 16, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    The only question is who owns who? Does Koch own the tea party, or does the tea party own Koch?

    Does SEIU own Obama, or does Obama own SEIU?

  • http://www.anonymousfinch.com AnonymousFinch

    Valkyrie:

    I hope you really believe that the Tea Party movement is an insincere movement of people being tricked and manipulated by a few elites. I really, truly hope that you and every liberal believes that.

    I went to the Tea Party in Trenton, New Jersey yesterday. It was the first time I had ever gone to such an event. I wanted to be on the ground and see for myself what these people were all about. Frankly, I couldn’t have been more impressed.

    PLEASE, PLEASE liberals, insult these people, denigrate them, call them stupid, call them insincere, call them violent, call them racists. You are saying nothing but what these people are and everything about what you are. If you need to demonize and slander such hardworking, good people, then all you do is show who the real demon is.

    Here are some pictures from my experience yesterday, by the way:

    http://www.anonymousfinch.com/2010/04/15/tea-party-trenton-new-jersey-april-15-2010/

  • valkyrie101

    Are they being tricked or is there another layer that is personally benefiting, the Dick Armeys of the world? At some point, I am convinced, the tea partiers are a sincere and diverse group of people seeking to exercise their right to protest. Are they being used by the Kochs of the world, that is another story. Do they care if they are being used? Most, do not.

  • atretrioeciii

    More insults. You people have to come up with some new ones. All of your forced laughter is pretty pathetic. It’s like you are the kid in class who is TRYING to be the class clown, but only ends up proving that he is socially retarded.

    You know, that guy who always at parties all by himself? That who most of you are. It’s sad to see a bunch of adults still trying to be cool or funny. Just knock it off and stick to the subject. You are not high school anymore. This forum is totally anonymous no one knows who you are. So drop those terrible high school memories.

  • valkyrie101

    FOX is the voice of the conservatives, it represents big business, the corporate interests. It makes money off of ratings, and gets ratings by sensationalism, which has been Murdoch’s badge of honor his whole career. Whatever you may think, Rubert always had a salacious headline, and a page 3 girl, in virtually every paper he has ever owned. It is Rubert, and his corporate benefactors, that seek to convince the voting population to oppose taxes for the rich, and to oppose regulation of corporations, aka smaller government. So it is certainly not just the likes of Koch who is funding the tea party, but FOX itself has a vested interest in promoting the tea party talking points, hand delivered by Dick Armey, multi-millionaire lobbyist. FOX makes money over sensationalism, controversy, images of violence and a quick peak at the page 3 girl. Is FOX using the tea party as an unwitting reality show? You betcha.

  • Jamestaylor

    FOX is the voice of the conservatives, it represents big business…”

    MSNBC- owned by GE- don’t let the facts get in your way, val.

  • valkyrie101

    Conservatives are pro big business. Proudly so.

  • valkyrie101

    Liberals are not pro-big business. Conservatives are. Fox is conservative, therefore it is pro-big business. Is that inaccurate?

  • Olby Sucks

    The facts are, who cares if corporations are funding tea party protests? It’s still a free country. Corporations fund far left blogs, who cares? Maddow is such an ignorant partisan hack it’s really sad.

  • Jamestaylor

    valkyrie101 says:
    April 16, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Liberals are not pro-big business. That’s because they don’t work.

  • Jamestaylor

    Oh, val, guess who provides jobs< Businesses. Who employs RM , KO, and the rest of that crew at MSNBC- Big business.

    How many jobs , outside of their own administration crew, do unions provide? 0

  • felixw

    Tea party events were held all over the country yesterday. With hundreds of thousands of violent and racist teabaggers gathered together, there must have been many terrible acts committed. Probably lots of cross burnings, rioting and destruction of property.

    Funny, no one has posted the videos yet. There must be lots of video footage of violent teabaggers. C’mon folks, put up the links, so that we can watch them.

  • stoogedudes

    Bias Media, Fox most definitely was a gift to the Bush Administration. If it wasn’t for Fox News, I doubt Bush would have been elected to a second term. When you say it is a gift to the American people, it makes me wonder if you work for Fox News or not.

    Second, I may be a liberal, but I don’t have a problem with tea partiers. First of all, I don’t care to call them tea-baggers. That does seem to be a juvenile thing to call them and it may have been funny at first, but it does get old. I don’t mind tea partiers because I too don’t like Washington spending money in ridiculous pork barrel projects. The tea partiers that I have problems with are the ones that keep calling Obama a Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Communist, Racist, whatever. I know, right wingers just INSIST that he is at least one of those things, a lot of them think he is all of those things. Another thing that rubs me raw is when right-wingers say that liberals don’t work, that they rely on the government to do everything for them. I’ve got one accusation from one fringe right-winger on here that I don’t have a job, to which I pointed out that I do in fact have a job, a good one, and I don’t rely on government for ANYTHING and don’t plan to if I can help it. He then made a comment that implied that I work at a fast food joint. This is what irritates me the most.

  • felixw

    Memo to Stoogedudes: Bush is no longer the President.

  • AmericanCowboy

    felixw says: “Funny, no one has posted the videos yet. There must be lots of video footage of violent teabaggers. C’mon folks, put up the links, so that we can watch them.”

    Nope, but there are images of a couple who were beaten up by filthy Democrat Protesters in New Orleans. The girl had her leg broke in 5 places and the guy had his nose broke. I did see this story on Mediate.

  • valkyrie101

    I am not intending to demonize big business. It serves an important purpose, and we rely on them. However, in the overall scheme of things, the interests of big business is making money. That is what they try to do, and often accomplish. That is, in general, a good thing. Big business can not be faulting for doing that. However, in order to keep that profit making machine from crushing a bunch of coal miners, the government must regulate. Well that horse don’t like no bridle, so naturally, big business pushes back against taxes and regulation. Would you deny that big corporations in many if not most industries seek less regulation and taxes? So I do not fault corporations for spending money fighting anything that prevents it from making as many profits as possible, lobbying, for less taxes and regulation, fine. However, let the record reflect that they are doing that.

  • valkyrie101

    … and let us vote for politicians that do not take the corporate money.

  • Jamestaylor

    However, in the overall scheme of things, the interests of big business is making money.”

    And why do people seek jobs? They just have a desire to work- why do they demand pay and leave jobs to get higher pay?

    The interests of people is to make money.

    “Would you deny that big corporations in many if not most industries seek less regulation and taxes? ”

    I think people desire the same things. That’s why you see people complaining about excessive taxes and excessive intrusions into their lives by Govt.

  • MarkStr82Hell

    This just in………Our good friend ED, who has about 25 viewers daily preaching at Al Sharpton’s Ant-White Convention today:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/16/ed-schultz-conservatives_n_540313.html

  • MarkStr82Hell

    * Anti-white

  • Jamestaylor

    The tea partiers that I have problems with are the ones that keep calling Obama a Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Communist, Racist, whatever.”

    But you had no problem when the left did the same thing to Bush.

    BTW, has a Repub. Senator called BHO a loser?

    Reid Calls Bush a ‘Loser’

    By Mike Allen
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, May 7, 2005

    The Senate’s top Democrat, Harry M. Reid of Nevada, called President Bush a “loser” yesterday just about the time Air Force One was touching down on foreign soil.

  • Jamestaylor

    MarkStr82Hell says:
    April 16, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    This just in………

    90% of the media is conservative in Ed’s eyes?
    just like MSNBC.

  • RichS

    I keep hearing about how biased FOX news is but when I watch FOX News I see debates with someone from the right and someone from the left. When I watch CNN I see someone from the left and someone from the far left. When I watch PBS or listen to NPR (both funded with my tax dollars) I here someone from the far left debating with himself. And yet FOX News is said to have the bias, hahahaha!

  • valkyrie101

    You miss the point, James, it is one thing for big business to seek lower taxes and less regulations, it is another thing how they do it. The big corporations, the conglomerates that dominate the world economy, tend to create less jobs for our economy. Rather, they manufacture, or buy from other manufacturers, in other countries. Sure jobs, there are some, to be sure, but masses of jobs, at least 3 million, have been exported to other countries by big business. And the greater competitiion for the jobs that are available, mean they can pay a lower salary without benefits.

    Big corporations should be able to lobby, they should have that right. But we, the voters, also have the right to know that they are doing that, and how they are doing it. Break the mirrors and let us see reality. Maybe then we would not vote for the seedy politicians on both sides of the isle that take the corporate jet rides, and get re-elected time after time because they are corporately funded and can outspend their opponents.

  • Havana Rick

    It seems that some of you didn’t really watch Rachel’s report or understand it. All she was saying was that Koch denies funding the Tea Party (is it really a party?), but they’re promoting the TP rallies via their organization AFP. It’s just weird. If Kock wants to support the TP it’s OK, but why the unsolicited denial?

    They’ve been active in supporting the TP rallies, thus they are indirectly lending material support to the TP.

  • Jamestaylor

    it is another thing how they do it.” If what they are doing is not legit, change the legislation.

    Rather, they manufacture, or buy from other manufacturers, in other countries. ” And????? Foreign companies buy our stuff. It’s reciprocal..

    GM China: 2009 sales volume to grow more than 20%
    Updated:2009-07-13 10:49:04 Source: Dow Jones

    GUANGZHOU –General Motors Corp. (GM) expects its sales volume growth in China to exceed 20% this year, sharply higher from 2008, GM China President Kevin Wale said Wednesday.

  • Jamestaylor

    BTW, val- It sounds like someone “moved your cheese” and you just can’t cope with it.

    you had better, or you will lose out.

  • Jamestaylor

    Rachel, how about reporting on this tonight. val , you will love this.

    GE: 7,000 tax returns, $0 U.S. tax bill
    By Annalyn Censky, staff reporterApril 16, 2010: 11:52 AM ET

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — General Electric filed more than 7,000 income tax returns in hundreds of global jurisdictions last year, but when push came to shove, the company owed the U.S. government a whopping bill of $0.

  • sarainitaly

    Koch companies value free speech and believe it is good to have more Americans engaged in key policy issues.

    – That said, Koch companies, the Koch foundations, Charles Koch and David Koch have no ties to and have never given money to FreedomWorks.

    – In addition, no funding has been provided by Koch companies, the Koch foundations, Charles Koch or David Koch specifically to support the tea parties.

    Rachel didn’t prove either of those statements false…

    He is chairman of the board for AFP, and gave them money from 2002-2008… He obviously sent the email because he knows AFP is promoting the tea parties, but as he stated, the KOCH money is NOT funding them…and he wanted it known.

    What exactly did Maddow think she proved?
    She is so snarky I can’t understand her half the time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gordon-Bloyer/537945868 Gordon Bloyer

    There should be no taxes on business. We, their customers, pay them.
    There should be no income tax. It sure should not be progressive. That is a tax on productivity.
    The Federal govenment has no role in education, that should up to the locals and the state.
    The Federal government has no business telling anyone how they should spend their money.
    The Federal government has no buiness in health care.

    The funny thing is, the libs think all of the above are EXTREME ideas. They don’t have a clue.

  • valkyrie101

    James,
    It is as simple as this, we manufacture and export much less than we import. China is our main trade deficit If we import more than we export we are supporting workers in countries outside the U.S. And that is what we do. Thus, there are too many workers in the U.S. And thus, conservatives are big supporters of free trade agreements because big business makes more money by paying less for goods manufactured in China and imported to this country without regulation.

  • Jamestaylor

    It is as simple as this, we manufacture and export much less than we import.”

    Wow, and I wonder why that would be.

    You seem to be a big advocate of what the auto industry calls “jobbank” workers, which is why they are in such dire straits.

    Jobbank- where when there is no work for you, the company puts you into the “jobban” where you continue to draw your pay and benefits.

    Now, you have 2 people being paid for one job.

    val, get with it. The USA needs to start new industries for new products/technologies and not complain about how the world has changed. That’s a union ploy.

    Govt. needs to give tax incentives and abatement’s to companies that are developing jobs for the future.

  • valkyrie101

    James,
    You said: “Govt. needs to give tax incentives and abatement’s to companies that are developing jobs for the future.”

    I agree, yea. :-)

    But why blame the American worker, of course he gets paid more than some guy making $2 a day in Indonesia. And costs are definitedly less for manufacturing in Indonesia. Since corporations try to make money, and they do that by cutting costs, they are motivated to manufacture outside the U.S. But by doing that, they cut the American worker out of the equation. That is, they have the right to do that, but now they are making more money while employing less U.S. workers. Who ultimately foots the bill for those displaced workers? The government. Who should pay for that? The corporations that make more money by manufacturing abroad. Thus, higher taxes. Abatements for those corps that seek to create jobs in the U.S. Yes.

  • felixw

    Hey Rachel, how about running a story on this huge corporation that pays zero dollars in taxes despite making $77 billion in gross profit last year.

    http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/16/news/companies/ge_7000_tax_returns/index.htm

    Yep, General Electric, parent company of MSNBC.

  • Jamestaylor

    So val, if there were NO jobs in America, just who would foot the bill for that? The Govt? You got to be kidding. It’s not the govts job to create jobs or provide a living; it’s govts responsibility to create the environment that is conducive for the creation of jobs and I think the more Govt. taxes and regulates, the fewer jobs there will be in the USA.

    Why do you think the founding fathers said in the Constitution that one of their objectives was to “PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE”. Liberals like you interpret that to mean to “PROVIDE THE GENERAL WELFARE.”

    Wrong. The FF chose their words carefully; if they meant to “PROVIDE” , they would have used the word “provide”; after all, they had already said in the Constitution that it was the govts. responsibility to “PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE.”

    It’s funny, that you carp about businesses moving to where they can produce goods at a better price, yet given if the quality is the same, you will hire a person to mow your lawn or fix your car who offers the lower price.

    It’s the same for business.

  • valkyrie101

    If there were no jobs, yes, the people voting would have to be taken care of by the government.. That’s obvious. And who would fund the government? The corporations that are making more money by cutting the American worker out of the equation by manufacturing in other countries. Right now only about 40% of the population make 50K or better. But 2% makes 90% of the money, with the bottom 40% making less than .2%.. And that situation, that gap is expanding. So you do the math. When all the money is literally in the hands of a few, they will be paying most of the government bill. Who else would have the money to do that?

  • ImNotBlue

    From the Bill O’Reilly/Comcast thread, but when talking about “corporate influence” it’s important to remember a few things about NBC, and from whence Maddow comes. After all, being hypocritically “outraged” about corporate influence for SOME, but not for all (especially yourself) is… well, hypocritical… isn’t it?:

    Here’s an interesting article about GE. Remember, a lot of O’Reilly’s criticism about NBC, has gone back to it’s parent company, General Election.

    Of course, what’s really interesting is that the connection between GE and NBC, and GE and the Obama Administration, means that those on the left who get their kicks criticizing “corporations” and “the industrial military complex” and blah blah blah… seem to give GE a pass. I guess being friends with the “right people” has its benefits… especially when it comes to tax time:

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — General Electric filed more than 7,000 income tax returns in hundreds of global jurisdictions last year, but when push came to shove, the company owed the U.S. government a whopping bill of $0.

    How’d it pull off that trick? By losing lots of money.

    GE had plenty of earnings last year — just not in the United States. For tax purposes, the company’s U.S. operations lost $408 million, while its international businesses netted a $10.8 billion profit.

    That left GE (GE, Fortune 500) with no U.S. profit left for Uncle Sam to tax. Corporations typically face a 35% federal income tax on their earnings. Thanks to its deductions and adjustments, GE reported an actual U.S. federal income tax rate of negative 10.5%. It got to add a “tax benefit” of $1.1 billion back into its reported earnings.

    http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/16/news/companies/ge_7000_tax_returns/index.htm

    I guess, as Mel Brooks once said, “It’s good to be the king.” I guess, it’s also good to “help” the king.

  • valkyrie101

    James said, “It’s funny, that you carp about businesses moving to where they can produce goods at a better price, yet given if the quality is the same, you will hire a person to mow your lawn or fix your car who offers the lower price. It’s the same for business.”

    We live in a global economy. If you export jobs to China, as we have done, there are less jobs in the United States. By not taxing corporations, the theory of that being they will therefore use the money for re-investment, supply side 101, does not get the intended effect on OUR economy because the re-investment (e.g. R&D, new manufacturing, etc.), is made in another country. By not taxing, the corporations, the U.S. government is therefore underwriting investment in another country.

  • valkyrie101

    No not “underwriting”, we are “giving” that away for nothing in return, except higher profits for the corporations. The only solution is to tax the corporations.

  • Havana Rick

    I guess the point is that corporations fund (create) these various entities and give them (often) misleading names like AFP, present them as “grass-roots” organizations, when they are in fact just pushing their own agenda and not really supporting free speech as they pretend. Koch has funded other conservative “think tanks” and Americans for Prosperity became active in the issue of global warming in order to prevent cap-and-trade, and other climate change legislation from being passed by the government. They earn much of their money from oil and chemical holdings.

    So, if Koch is funding AFP and AFP is helping to organize and promote TP events, are they not indirectly helping the TP? whether or not they are directly funding the TP is a trivial matter.

    In other words, the AFP is nothing more than a front for Koch industries and is not a grass-roots organization as it pretends to be (and neither is the TP). That is what Rachel was trying to prove.

  • valkyrie101

    What is not clear, and what Rachel can not surmise, is who is using who. There is nothing wrong with the tea party looking for funding from a rich right wingers? Is that not what the Pro Golf Association does, they sell the sponsor’s product? Who is using who, again? So if I am the tea party, I say you are wrong. Koch earned his money legally, he can spend it if he pleases, and since we share some of the same values, lets get it on.

  • Jamestaylor

    valkyrie101 says:
    April 16, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    If there were no jobs, yes, the people voting would have to be taken care of by the government”

    Unbelievable. When was that done in the history of the USA. Your socialism is very apparent.

  • valkyrie101

    By taxing the corporations at a higher rate, while providing rebates for jobs provided to the economy, then the corporations will have the incentive to keep or move their manufacturing operations, here, thereby avoiding the higher tax. The taxes represent the loss to the U.S. economy in jobs, which, as a practical matter, the government pays for. Another way of saying that is lower taxes for U.S. corporations that make their product in the U.S. Even for foreign companies that wish to manufacture here. There is a balance to all this since another country would believe this arrangement to be a tariff. But America is the golden goose and needs some protection to keep its economy from melting down.

  • Jamestaylor

    BTW, val. From your liberal media:

    NYT/CBS Poll: 52% Say Obama Moving America Towards Socialism
    Friday, April 16, 2010
    By Matt Cover, Staff Writer

    President Barack Obama (AP Photo)
    (CNSNews.com) – A New York Times/CBS News poll found that a majority of Americans, 52 percent, think the policies of President Barack Obama are moving the United States toward socialism

  • valkyrie101

    Socialism has nothing to do with it, it is about democracy. When the majority of the people are poored out, they will eventually be of such a number as to demand changes. That is a Democratic, as in “Democracy” notion. Indeed, that was the gift that the forefathers gave us to be able to follow their wise system, in thwarting tyrants that would render the majority of its people unto poverty, while making more profits than have ever been known to man.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

    The Tea Party’s corporate sponsorship and Fox Not News and Andrew Not So Breitbart promotion are all old news. But Rachel shines the light on those cockroaches again. Watch them hide under the ‘fridge.

  • GIVEMEFREEDOM

    But Raecho uncovered legally spent money and screamed as though she caught REAL cheaters taking fraudulent acquired money from the federal government like ACORN does.
    No wonder she’s at the bottom of the talking head food chain . . . . or is it Anderson Cooper this week or maybe it’s that new Italian girl, what’s her name . . . . oh yeah, Josephina Victoria Occhiutto (Joy Beehar).

  • valkyrie101

    Yes, freedom, “legally” spent money, exactly. There is no problem with a wealthy benefactor doing that. This is a free country. Just, we would like to know. That’s all. Let the record reflect that big corporate donors are funding the tea party. We are cool with that, we just want to know.

  • pyrope

    Yep, ol’ Madcow went to the SEIU and asked them what they thought about the Tea Party’s funding. I rather doubt whether Ms. Madcow could find her ass with both hands and a flashlight.

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