Barry needs to organize his community .

i understand the anger, but…c’mon man

Big Eddie said:
Barry needs to organize his community .

Fuck Barry.

Revolting Democrat legislators ? A whole bunch of them sure are .

They used to like you , Bar , but …things have changed .

Fact: Democrat unidentified! Republican front right and center views of face and a name with multiple voices digitally enhanced audio recordings. That’s a fact!

If a Republican said it, the obvious response would be accusations of racism. Let’s see if the Democrats play the race card against each other, the same way they play it against EVERYONE else.

Meanwhile , in London , Prince Charles and wife attacked by rioters . Camilla managed to outrun the attackers by four furlongs .

so i wonder who will bring up race….whoops, too late

What to eliminate Liberals and Liberalism? Stand back and let them do it themselves. This is frigging awesome to watch. Imagine your two worst enemies getting into a head-on collision; that’s what you have here, folks. ‘Getcha Popcorn ready!’

ChrisNH said:
What to eliminate Liberals and Liberalism? Stand back and let them do it themselves. This is frigging awesome to watch. Imagine your two worst enemies getting into a head-on collision; that’s what you have here, folks. ‘Getcha Popcorn ready!’

Nah, liberalism isn’t going away. That’s what was said after the 2008 elections, and guess what? This is a hard time for liberals, sure, but just like the conservatives, they’ll come back strong as ever.

Fact: They asked the unidentified source if the unidentified person was glad that Rolling Stone magazine wasn’t the source of the story. The unidentified person replied yes from the bar table where they were seated!

Obama is positioning himself for the 2012 presidential campaign. He’ll throw the fringe left under the bus, just as he did Rev. Wright and his own grandmother.

stoogedudes said:
Nah, liberalism isn’t going away. That’s what was said after the 2008 elections, and guess what? This is a hard time for liberals, sure, but just like the conservatives, they’ll come back strong as ever.

I’m not sure. Since early 2007, Liberals have had complete control of government (Pelosi/Reid > Bush). And in that span, EVERYTHING has gotten worse: Unemployment, misery index, poverty…all UP. Home values, 401(k) values, optimism…all DOWN. It is not possible, within this generation of voters, to convince enough of them that the ‘Lib Way’ is a good way. I mean, to everything the Libs could ever say, we’ll correctly retort: “We’ve seen this movie before, and it ends badly!” Why do you think Hillary has basically said, ‘No mas!’ with respect to her future plans in politics? She knows she can’t shovel the same Lib shit and expect people to buy it. Not after the wreckage Obama/Reid/Pelosi have wrought.

F the president ? wow, what a shocker..i thought that was the national consences ?
barry the “president” has been saying F you to America, its flag, its national anthem, its veterans, its soldiers, its citizens for two years now ! every time he gives our flag and anthem his no class crotch salute !

ChrisNH said:
I’m not sure. Since early 2007, Liberals have had complete control of government (Pelosi/Reid > Bush). And in that span, EVERYTHING has gotten worse: Unemployment, misery index, poverty…all UP. Home values, 401(k) values, optimism…all DOWN. It is not possible, within this generation of voters, to convince enough of them that the ‘Lib Way’ is a good way. I mean, to everything the Libs could ever say, we’ll correctly retort: “We’ve seen this movie before, and it ends badly!” Why do you think Hillary has basically said, ‘No mas!’ with respect to her future plans in politics? She knows she can’t shovel the same Lib shit and expect people to buy it. Not after the wreckage Obama/Reid/Pelosi have wrought.

Again, as volatile as independents are as well as the liberal base staying the same, things will swing back around. And then in a few years, conservatives will gain power again. One could make an argument about “the wreckage Bush/Cheney have wrought”. Again, conservatives have always known what they don’t like about liberals, and independents go with the flow. If the Republicans are in charge and things go sour again, it will be 2006 & 2008 all over again. That said, with Republicans gaining redistricting powers, they may shift the balance for a decade or so, but I still don’t think you should count liberalism out. But that’s my take on it.

Are you sure they weren’t still talking about Bush?

ChrisNH said:
I’m not sure. Since early 2007, Liberals have had complete control of government (Pelosi/Reid > Bush). And in that span, EVERYTHING has gotten worse: Unemployment, misery index, poverty…all UP. Home values, 401(k) values, optimism…all DOWN. It is not possible, within this generation of voters, to convince enough of them that the ‘Lib Way’ is a good way. I mean, to everything the Libs could ever say, we’ll correctly retort: “We’ve seen this movie before, and it ends badly!” Why do you think Hillary has basically said, ‘No mas!’ with respect to her future plans in politics? She knows she can’t shovel the same Lib shit and expect people to buy it. Not after the wreckage Obama/Reid/Pelosi have wrought.

Liberals haven’t been in government.. and that’s the problem that Democrats are having right now with Obama. He’s doing everything the GOP wants and very little that he promised. Liberals are just angry their voices aren’t being heard.

well vote them in jon if you can

When will it be appropriate to say, video or it didn’t happen?

felixw said:
If a Republican said it, the obvious response would be accusations of racism. Let’s see if the Democrats play the race card against each other, the same way they play it against EVERYONE else.

What horseshit

Jon Martin said:
He’s doing everything the GOP wants

No he isn’t , he made deal which is a compromise getting unemployment extensions {which the GOP doesn’t want} and several other things, for tax cut extension, and other things for the GOP. The problem is it’s a bad compromise in the long term.

These racist Democratics hate Oboma because he is black. racist Dems!!!

That demonRAT that said “f__ the president” better watch his/her back. His/her car could get keyed, tires slashed and his/her cat may go missing. Business as usual in Chicago.

I don’t remember Democrats saying “Fuck the President” when Bill Clinton compromised with Republicans. Now that a black man is President compromising with Republicans the hate is in full force. There is no other explanation than racism.

OMG…you are definitely on to something…the ghost of Robert Byrd has inhabited the current crop of DemonRATS. There is not any other explanation.

Revolting? Democratic Lawmaker Allegedly Muttered “F*ck The President”

Well, at least one Democrat has figured -0bama out.

What everyone is missing is the answer to HOW THE HELL ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS SET OF GIVEAWAYS?

The answer is future generations will have to pick up the tab.

ModerateMan said:
There is no other explanation than racism.

Wow thanks for this insightful comment, lol.

What was it like riding the short bus to school? XD

Hell, I hear “fuck the President” everyday probably 20 times!
And that is from middle class citizens!
The man is an epic failure!
Talked a good game though!
ROTFLMAO

Free speech, he can say what he wants. He is not in the Military who could be discipline.

stoogedudes said:
Again, as volatile as independents are as well as the liberal base staying the same, things will swing back around. And then in a few years, conservatives will gain power again. One could make an argument about “the wreckage Bush/Cheney have wrought”. Again, conservatives have always known what they don’t like about liberals, and independents go with the flow. If the Republicans are in charge and things go sour again, it will be 2006 & 2008 all over again. That said, with Republicans gaining redistricting powers, they may shift the balance for a decade or so, but I still don’t think you should count liberalism out. But that’s my take on it.

Fact: Your the stooge!

Fact: Guess who I am? Nerk nerk nerk.
Correct your the stooge!

CosmosDan said:
felixw said:
If a Republican said it, the obvious response would be accusations of racism. Let’s see if the Democrats play the race card against each other, the same way they play it against EVERYONE else.

What horseshit

Horseshit?

You lie, boy!

Carter said the “You lie” interjection by Joe Wilson showed there was <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/16/jimmy-carter-you-lie-racist""an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president".

<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/15/congressman-suggests-people-don-white-hoods-wilson-rebuked#ixzz17iMRaBuq"Making an obvious reference to the Ku Klux Klan, Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., said Tuesday that people will be putting on “white hoods and white uniforms again and riding through the countryside” if emerging racist attitudes, which he says were subtly supported by Wilson, are not rebuked.

Oh crap.. my hyperlinks didn’t work.

Carter said the “You lie” interjection by Joe Wilson showed there wasan inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president”.

Making an obvious reference to the Ku Klux KlanRep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., said Tuesday that people will be putting on “white hoods and white uniforms again and riding through the countryside” if emerging racist attitudes, which he says were subtly supported by Wilson, are not rebuked .

“One identified lawmaker is also alleged to have muttered “f*ck the president.” ~Colby Hall

One unidentified lawmaker went so far as to mutter “f— the president”~Anna Palmer

So, were they identified, or not?

If not, and without video, it’s just gossip.

He is lucky he didn’t yell *you lie*, cuz then, like, you know, he would be in TROUBLE ….and racist!

Hmmm, maybe it isn’t just gossip.

FINEMAN: Well, like Barney Frank, I wasn’t there either, but I did talk to a lot of people who were, and it was pretty startling. There was, there was sotto voce apparently, you know, not too loud, an “F the President.” There was a, there was a “No f-ing way.” There was a “He F-ed it up.” You know, we had a fairly liberal use of the F-word inside those closed doors, and there was a lot of anger. And, and, and frankly the President’s appearance before this same group of people yesterday, when he tried to explain his side of things, didn’t help. As a matter of fact, it just made things worse is my understanding of it. One member I talked to said if this is the way he’s going to negotiate with the Republicans, what’s he going to do with the Iranians, you know?

Read more

CosmosDan said:
felixw said:
If a Republican said it, the obvious response would be accusations of racism. Let’s see if the Democrats play the race card against each other, the same way they play it against EVERYONE else.
What horseshit

Olbermann Slammed ‘Racist’ Conservatives for Calling Obama ‘Arrogant,’ Hails ‘Nostradomus’ Dem Who Saw Obama’s ‘Nose in the Air’

Last January, when a number of white conservatives used words like “arrogant” and “cocky” to refer to President Obama’s State of the Union speech, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann asserted that they really meant Obama was an “uppity” black man. Olbermann: “When racist white guys get together and they don’t want to be caught using any of the popular epithets in use every day in this country about black people – and there’s a chance one of them, or worse still a white guy who doesn’t get it might wander in and hear the conversation, when there’s a risk even in saying ‘uppity’ or ‘forgetting his place,’ the racist white guys revert to euphemisms and code words. And among the code words that they think they’re getting away with are ‘cocky,’ ‘flippant,’ ‘punk,’ and especially ‘arrogant.’”

On Thursday’s show, reeling from disappointment that President Obama compromised with Republicans to prevent tax increases, Olbermann celebrated a former Hillary Clinton supporter as a “Nostradamus” because, during the 2008 presidential campaign, he gave a speech warning that President Obama would not fight hard enough against Republicans.

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Dan, you really need to get facts straight. The Republicans are NOT against unemployment extensions. They just want them to be paid for and not add to the debt. I’d have a lot more respect if you just came out of the closet as the flaming liberal you are and stop this charade. Show your true colors, it will set you free.

If it was Barney Frank would that be considered sexual harassment?

sarainitaly said:
Hmmm, maybe it isn’t just gossip.

FINEMAN: Well, like Barney Frank, I wasn’t there either, but I did talk to a lot of people who were, and it was pretty startling. There was, there was sotto voce apparently, you know, not too loud, an “F the President.” There was a, there was a “No f-ing way.” There was a “He F-ed it up.” You know, we had a fairly liberal use of the F-word inside those closed doors, and there was a lot of anger. And, and, and frankly the President’s appearance before this same group of people yesterday, when he tried to explain his side of things, didn’t help. As a matter of fact, it just made things worse is my understanding of it. One member I talked to said if this is the way he’s going to negotiate with the Republicans, what’s he going to do with the Iranians, you know?

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Time is not stagnant Sara. Early in the presidency of our first black president there were overt signs of racism from citizens and elected officials. The question of race and racism was a big part of our national dialogue because of it. Ad to that the political efforts to make him appear un American and not one of us by bringing up his childhood. Looking a Dowd’s column you see that her assessment of Joe Wilson is not based simply on his outburst. but his background of subtly racist actions.. Because of the clear and overt racism that reared it’s head Obama supporters did cry racism at times when the criticism was not overtly racist. That was then and this is now. As Obama has settled into his presidency we’ve seen overt signs of racism and accusations of racism begin to disappear. I think the meme that you can’t criticize Obama without being accused of racism is a little tired , like a bad joke we’ve heard once to often. That’s why I called it horseshit.
Can you show me an example in the past 6 months of someone saying something that isn’t remotely racist and being accused of racism?

I don’t care if you hate what a president is doing. But you respect the office, even if you can’t the man. That is one of the biggest problems with the country, there is no respect for the authority placed over us. That was stripped away by “I didn’t inhale/I did not have sex with that woman” Clinton and “I abandoned free market principles to save the free market” Bush. I had problems with both men, but I still hold the office in high regard. If the lawmakers of the land are saying this, and they set the example, what do you think will follow?

gar said:
Dan, you really need to get facts straight. The Republicans are NOT against unemployment extensions. They just want them to be paid for and not add to the debt. I’d have a lot more respect if you just came out of the closet as the flaming liberal you are and stop this charade. Show your true colors, it will set you free.

And are they paid for in the deal that was made?

I wish you and a few others on this site would learn how yo have a discussion where you make an effort to clarify what a person’s position is before you think you have mind reading abilities that you don’t have, or lump individuals into some ignorant stereotype.

Rather than just gloat over what superficially appears to be a victory the GOP and conservatives ought to take a look at the details of the deal and make a judgment call about whether it’s fiscally responsible or not, since that’s been their battle cry for two fucking years now. As a liberal I recognize our need for fiscal responsibility. Seems to me a deal that incurs a lot more spending while cutting personal and corporate taxes in several areas is pretty irresponsible, in the long term.

One unidentified lawmaker went so far as to mutter “f— the president”

Conservatives think it…the Presidents Party says it….outloud too.

Fact: Ozero’s just doesn’t cut it! Here one reason why!
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/205359.php

sarainitaly said:
Horseshit?

You lie, boy!

Sara here’s an interesting coincidence.

I Dowd’s article it says,

The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president.

Last night on the Daily show the did a bit on the celebrations taking place around the Civil war which includes some ads by that very group.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-9-2010/the-south-s-secession-commemoration

Some in the south are working to make the civil war a time when Southern patriots fought for “liberty” Ironic isn’t it?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Your the stooge!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Guess who I am? Nerk nerk nerk.Correct your the stooge!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Ozero’s just doesn’t cut it! Here one reason why!http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/205359.php

SHHHH!! Quiet! Adults are talking. Go play with your toys.

CosmosDan said:
Can you show me an example in the past 6 months of someone saying something that isn’t remotely racist and being accused of racism?

“Let’s just be blunt about this … I think Fox News did something that was absolutely racist,” Dean charged on “Fox News Sunday.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/110751-dean-says-fox-news-racist-for-helping-sherrod-ouster

Olby called FOX racist, too, for the Sherrod story. He also called FOX racist and said they had an all white line up, ignoring the lily whiteness of MSNBC.

Ed Schultz: Palin is Racist for Criticizing the Obamas’ Connection to Rev. Wright
Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/11/20/ed-schultz-palin-racist-criticizing-obamas-connection-rev-wright#ixzz17jH05K8A

Ed Schultz called Glenn Beck rally crowd old, white and racist
http://escapetyranny.com/2010/08/31/msnbc-host-ed-schultz-calls-beck-rally-crowd-old-white-and-racist/

Olby called the tea party racist because he said they were all white, and that there were NO people of color.
The guy who made the visitor guide for the Beck rally was accused of racism.
Sharpton is always accusing Rush of racism.
Walmart was accused of racism for putting black barbie on sale.
Dr. Laura Schlessinger was accused of racism for her use of the n*word, using it as an example of how it is used by the AA community.

gar said:
Dan, you really need to get facts straight. The Republicans are NOT against unemployment extensions. They just want them to be paid for and not add to the debt. I’d have a lot more respect if you just came out of the closet as the flaming liberal you are and stop this charade. Show your true colors, it will set you free.

Just like they don’t want the Bush-era tax cuts added to the deficit, right?

F’n hypocrites..all of them!

tjames said:
I don’t care if you hate what a president is doing. But you respect the office, even if you can’t the man. That is one of the biggest problems with the country, there is no respect for the authority placed over us. That was stripped away by “I didn’t inhale/I did not have sex with that woman” Clinton and “I abandoned free market principles to save the free market” Bush. I had problems with both men, but I still hold the office in high regard. If the lawmakers of the land are saying this, and they set the example, what do you think will follow?

Complete irrelevance for the Executive Office…that appears to be what is being strived for.

Is BO a manchurian candidate for the right?

sarainitaly said:
“Let’s just be blunt about this … I think Fox News did something that was absolutely racist,” Dean charged on “Fox News Sunday.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/110751-dean-says-fox-news-racist-for-helping-sherrod-ouster

Olby called FOX racist, too, for the Sherrod story. He also called FOX racist and said they had an all white line up, ignoring the lily whiteness of MSNBC.

Ed Schultz: Palin is Racist for Criticizing the Obamas’ Connection to Rev. Wright
Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/11/20/ed-schultz-palin-racist-criticizing-obamas-connection-rev-wright#ixzz17jH05K8A

Ed Schultz called Glenn Beck rally crowd old, white and racist
http://escapetyranny.com/2010/08/31/msnbc-host-ed-schultz-calls-beck-rally-crowd-old-white-and-racist/

Fair enough but those things are specifically about race. I thought we were talking about criticism that has nothing to do with race, but is called racism.
I can’t decide who is more of a blowhard , Olby or Shultz.
I concede you’ve provided some examples less than 6 months old, but I still maintain that there are far less accusations of racism than there was when we were seeing overtly racist signs etc. especailly when the criticism is about policy.
Did we see even one accusation of racism when Bohner said “This is chicken crap”

Obimbo’s sudden turn around on Bush’s tax breaks is puzzling until you take a look at his approval ratings. We should expect Obimbo to take a more centrist stance in the next two years. His chance at socializing America came to sudden end this November and any chance to get reelected will force him to adopt Conservative values over the next two years.

Dan what other conclusion should I draw when this was YOUR reply to Jon” No he isn’t , he made deal which is a compromise getting unemployment extensions which the GOP doesn’t want” .What mind reading abilities did I miss there? Funny thing is afterward you pull the same shit you accused me of ”Rather than just gloat over what superficially appears to be a victory the GOP and conservatives ought to take a look at the details of the deal and make a judgment call about whether it’s fiscally responsible or not, since that’s been their battle cry for two fucking years now. As a liberal I recognize our need for fiscal responsibility. Seems to me a deal that incurs a lot more spending while cutting personal and corporate taxes in several areas is pretty irresponsible, in the long term.” BTW I and most conservatives think the deal sucks, but the Dems left it to the last minute.

Spinecrusher, are you against all of the Bush tax cuts being pulled or just the ones for individuals making over 200,000?. Let’s see who the F’n hypocrites really are.Is there such a thing as a fiscally responsible liberal?

gar said:
Dan what other conclusion should I draw when this was YOUR reply to Jon” No he isn’t , he made deal which is a compromise getting unemployment extensions which the GOP doesn’t want” .What mind reading abilities did I miss there?

I expect you to know that a brief response to another poster may not be the sum total of my knowledge or opinion on the matter. You can then ask me a question starting with something like “are you saying, or did you know” rather than assuming my position , and I’ll clarify and even thank you for pointing it out.

gar said:
BTW I and most conservatives think the deal sucks, but the Dems left it to the last minute.

I guess that means that under the deal being discussed the unemployment extension is something they don’t want and I was actually correct?

gar said:
Funny thing is afterward you pull the same shit you accused me of

You’re right,
I generalized rather than just directing the discussion to your response. If I’m going to preach it I need to practice it better. I did not however, launch anything personal at you.

gar said:
BTW I and most conservatives think the deal sucks, but the Dems left it to the last minute.

I agree it should have been dealt with before now. That only increases the potential harm to the working middle class.

Personally I think a deal will be made and when we finally see all the shit jammed into it at the last minute we’ll be more pissed than ever.

WAIT! – the Cannibalism has Just begun!

sarainitaly said:
“Let’s just be blunt about this … I think Fox News did something that was absolutely racist,” Dean charged on “Fox News Sunday.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/110751-dean-says-fox-news-racist-for-helping-sherrod-ouster

Olby called FOX racist, too, for the Sherrod story. He also called FOX racist and said they had an all white line up, ignoring the lily whiteness of MSNBC.

Ed Schultz: Palin is Racist for Criticizing the Obamas’ Connection to Rev. Wright
Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/11/20/ed-schultz-palin-racist-criticizing-obamas-connection-rev-wright#ixzz17jH05K8A

Ed Schultz called Glenn Beck rally crowd old, white and racist
http://escapetyranny.com/2010/08/31/msnbc-host-ed-schultz-calls-beck-rally-crowd-old-white-and-racist/

Olby called the tea party racist because he said they were all white, and that there were NO people of color.
The guy who made the visitor guide for the Beck rally was accused of racism.
Sharpton is always accusing Rush of racism.
Walmart was accused of racism for putting black barbie on sale.
Dr. Laura Schlessinger was accused of racism for her use of the n*word, using it as an example of how it is used by the AA community.

Good examples. And, honestly, who could even begin to count all the times the Left has accused anyone who disagreed with Obama of racism? How ridiculous for Cosmos Dan to try to dance around this. Does he really think anyone will believe his disingenuous obfuscating? But if the Left had any integrity, they would have stopped this ridiculous over-playing of the race card years ago. What deep denial you must be in to pretend that people aren’t really objecting to the President’s disastrous and failed policies, but just the amount of melanin in his skin?

So, is the Liberal GOON who uttered the words, “F**k the President” going to be hauled before the House of Representatives and given a Reprimand? If not, WHY NOT? If it is good enough for Rep. Wilson who committed a lesser offense, it is good enough for this Leftist Loon. Come on, DemocRATS. YOU KNOW WHO IT IS AND YOU ARE CHICKEN *HIT FOR HIDING IT!

stoogedudes said:
SHHHH!! Quiet! Adults are talking. Go play with your toys.

Fact: Nerk nerk nerk…..babble babble babble……. nerk nerk nerk …… babble babble babble ……..
your the stooge!

felixw said:
Does he really think anyone will believe his disingenuous obfuscating?

Yes, I think people with a little less partisan bias will be able to understand what I’m saying. Tell the truth, are there more, as many, or a lot fewer discussions of racism now than when the whole Tea Party rise up was in the news?

Did anyone accuse Bohner of racism when he made the “chicken crap” comment. Did anyone accuse MConnell of racism when he said the GOP focus was to make Obama a one term president.

It clearly was far more of an issue the first year of Obama’s presidency. Yes, the left overreacted and made accusations of racism when none were apparent , but that over reaction was based on real and overt signs of racism. Now we’re moving past it. While we’re citing examples let’s point one out more recent than any of Sara’s

Remember Fox news trying to create a racial tone to Obama’s back of the car remark, and falsely reporting it as back of the bus and associating it with the civil rights movement?
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011020008
Hannity blatantly lied about it while talking to Michael Steele, who actually said those exact words regarding Pelosi.
So, as far as your comment that if a conservative said “F*** the president” there would be an obvious accusation of racism, it’s still horseshit in my book.

CosmosDan said:
Tell the truth, are there more, as many, or a lot fewer discussions of racism now than when the whole Tea Party rise up was in the news?

The only reason there are fewer racism discussions, is that the Left has finally figured out that had become a laughing stock by constantly playing the race card. It’s the same reason why they stopped accusing conservatives of being violent. When a smear doesn’t work, the Left abandons it…and hunts for another smear.

But what I never hear from the Left is an honest appraisal of the current economic malaise, the unemployment situation, the record number of casualties in Afghanistan, the inability to secure our border, the damaged caused to our foreign policy by the Wikileaks’ disclosures, etc.

By the way, referring people to Media Matters destroys whatever credibility you might have. Next time, try to point people in the direction of something other than a notorious propaganda and disinformation outfit that has become a total laughingstock. Show me one article in the history of Media Matters that didn’t spin a liberal angle to attack conservatives. You can’t, because they have never done anything other than spin in their entire history — and not even good spin. You would get more accurate information reading your daily horoscope in the paper or reading tarot cards — at least the tarot cards don’t ALWAYS try to distort the truth.

felixw said:
The only reason there are fewer racism discussions, is that the Left has finally figured out that had become a laughing stock by constantly playing the race card. It’s the same reason why they stopped accusing conservatives of being violent. When a smear doesn’t work, the Left abandons it…and hunts for another smear

This kind of bullshit mind reading attempt is a joke and juvenile. You’re saying” the left ” but what you’re really talking about is media outlets that hype bogus stories and purposely inflate controversy. That’s not the real people of the left. It was the media that decided that the race issue was a good way to promote ratings so both sides used it. If your partisan goggles make you think the right is always good and true and honest, while the left is always dishonest and corrupt, then you’ve lost your grip on reality and what real people are like. The same goes for anyone who is two partisan regardless of who they favor.

felixw said:
But what I never hear from the Left is an honest appraisal of the current economic malaise, the unemployment situation, the record number of casualties in Afghanistan, the inability to secure our border, the damaged caused to our foreign policy by the Wikileaks’ disclosures, etc.

Those are complex issues that are not going to be explored properly on a discussion board like this. You have to be willing to make an effort and do the research and honestly weigh the evidence. That doesn’t mean you’ll agree, but you might find a credible honest opinion or alternative view.

felixw said:
By the way, referring people to Media Matters destroys whatever credibility you might have.

That would mean something except I’m thinking you know exactly what incident I’m talking about and that it’s completely factual and I’m correct. Fox did exactly what I said they did and it was noted at the time.
I’ve noticed in the last few weeks the tendency to completely dismiss facts if the source is biased. What nonsense. What do you suppose happens if both sides do that? Pretty soon nobody has any reliable facts.
If you’re willing to dismiss facts because you don’t like the source it’s not my credibility that’s in trouble.

The truth is, even pundits and biased sources get some facts correct, and the fact is , Fox played the race card more recently than the examples Sara gave and Hannity lied in the process.

stoogedudes said:
SHHHH!! Quiet! Adults are talking. Go play with your toys.

That’s the first time I’ve seen you make an elitist-type remark. Kinda sorry to see it.

gar said:
They just want them to be paid for and not add to the debt.

Precisely.

skyfet said:
Free speech, he can say what he wants. He is not in the Military who could be discipline.

What about Joe Wilson, do free speech rights not apply to him?