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Rick Perry Tells Bisexual Teen Why He’s Opposed To Gays In The Military: Homosexuality Is A Sin

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With the Iowa Caucuses just two weeks away, GOP presidential hopefuls are hitting the campaign stops hard. At the end of a stop last night in the town of Decorah, Governor Rick Perry found himself confronted by a 14 year-old girl asking why the Texas governor was so opposed to gays serving in the military (a theme that was front and center in one of his recent campaign ads.) Perry handled the confrontational question calmly, but in a way that is unlikely to bridge the divide between his supporters and his detractors, particularly on the issue of tolerance of Gay Americans.

Reporting for the National Journal, Rebecca Kaplan writes:

The event only continued a turn for the negative as a girl approached Perry as he was shaking hands to ask him why he opposed gays serving openly in the military. Her question ended with a charged clause: “and why you want to deny them their freedom when they’re fighting for your rights.”

What Perry didn’t know during the exchange was that the girl, 14-year-old Rebecka Green, is herself openly bisexual. “This is about my faith, and I happen to think that there are a whole host of sins, homosexuality being one of them,” Perry said, adding that he himself was “a sinner” so he wouldn’t “be the first one to throw a stone.” Reflecting on another question he had received this week about how he would feel if his own child were gay, Perry said, “I’d feel the same way. I hate the sin but I love the sinner.”

An awkward soundbite can easily be pulled from the following video clip, when Perry basically calls homosexuality a sin and then quickly admits that he is a sinner in what seems to be the same thought, though his admission of being a sinner is a predicate to the larger concept that he won’t be judgmental, or “be the first one to throw a stone.” That said, detractors will certainly be quick to point out that calling homosexuality a sin and denying their rights to serve in the military (or marry one another) are their own sorts of thrown stones.

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  • Pablo

    What Perry didn’t know during the exchange was that the girl, 14-year-old Rebecka Green, is herself openly bisexual.

    Bisexuality is just an easy way to double your chances of getting laid on a Saturday night.

  • Anonymous

    You buried the lede.

    The problem with his comment isn’t that it might be construed as “Throwing stones” by “detractors,” as you say, but rather how it mixes church and state.  

    “Because the Bible says it’s a sin” is not an adequate reason for banning homosexuality in a secular military that welcomes people of all faiths (as well as people without faith).  Any laws based on the Bible would most certainly be struck down by the Supreme court.

    So the real issue is whether or not Perry is too stupid to realize how the law works in this country, or if he realizes but just is rather cynically trying to appeal to the religious vote by playing the Bible card.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bee-Ruled/100001985815996 Bee Ruled

    Q: When was the last time 2 gays naturally perpetuated mankind ?

    A: NEVER.

    -Homosexuality: Asked – Answered-

  • Anonymous

    Homosexuality is a sin.

  • Anonymous

    That’s his belief, do you want him to be a phony and tells you its OK and then stab you in the back?  

  • Anonymous

    Are you talking from experience? 

  • Anonymous

    Pablo, you’re so despicable, ya’d need to be a millisexual to get laid

  • Anonymous

    This is an excellent example of right wing humor, and explains why GOP’ers don’t get Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert. Your sense of humor, like your sense of justice, is stuck in the fourth grade. The party of family values, making making jokes about a 14 year old girl getting laid on a Saturday night. I’ll bet $10,000 that you don’t see the irony there…

  • Anonymous

    Such subtleties are lost on the “Kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out” crowd

  • shonangreg

    No, I want him to separate his personal beliefs from the office he aspires to. Perry is not running to be President of Christian Americans.

  • Anonymous

    Petroleum contaminating ground water is bunk science to this man but religion is infallible.

    Do you think he’s an idiot? 

  • Pablo

    Any laws based on the Bible would most certainly be struck down by the
    Supreme court–and assuming Perry isn’t an idiot, he most certainly
    knows that.

    That reasoning would invalidate the laws against murder, as they derive from the Sixth Commandment.

  • Gloves A. Donahue

    That is a joke from the fine upstanding Democrat Woody Allen.

  • Anonymous

    Gays have biological kids all the time.

    Homosexuals are perfectly capable of reproducing.  As long as their plumbing works they can have children as easily (if not easier) than heterosexuals.  All they need to do is find someone to donate sperm or an egg.

  • Anonymous

    His “beliefs” are of no concern to me. I want his to follow the law of the land and the Constitution like all elected leaders. This is not a Christian nation. It is a secular government.

  • Pablo

    What makes you think I don’t get Stewart or Colbert?

    BTW, this right wing humor? It’s a Woody Allen joke. I bet he’ll be surprised. 

    http://www.iwise.com/3Sch0

  • Tom Chicago

    Perry is only, in his usually clumsy way, talking out of both sides of his mouth.  

  • Pablo

    You know that the President doesn’t make laws, right?

  • Pablo

    All two gay men need to have a kid is for someone to donate an egg? I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

  • Tom Chicago

    you answer so quickly, I wonder if you simply want to avoid any discussion.

  • Anonymous

    Murder is a secular crime. There are many laws on the books regarding murder. They might derive from the 10 commandments, but if all laws did, then we would have laws requiring you to honor your mother and father and not covet your neighbor’s ox.

  • Pablo

    Pro Tip: If you’re going to crack a joke, try to be funny.

  • Anonymous

    Well, someone to donate an egg and a surrogate.

  • Jason Julien

    Taking the point that homosexuality is a sin. Then be theologically in intelectually consistent. Fornication, lust are sins also. Are you going to say these people cant serve also? The bible says that you cannot have any false god’s before Him. Does that mean that all other faiths are not allowed to serve including athiests? Funny things is you do that and you allow all the of them to live safely while you send the Christians to die… And I hope you would not use “big sin little sin” as an argument as to why one can serve and the other cannot

  • Anonymous

    “It’s a sin” said 5-year old Rick Perry when asked why people were being executed for breaking the Sabbath

  • Steve P.

    I love the way everyone looks shocked when someone says this, It IS a sin, as anything described as a sin IS a sin.

    That’s how we got into trouble in the first place, Man trying to tell God what is, and what isn’t. The fact is, what GOD says is, and what WE say don’t mean a thing.

  • Pablo

    Which, then we’re not talking about two men having a kid anymore, are we? As for women, two women don’t have a kid, only one does, with a father who, while absent, exists.

    SCIENCE!!

  • Anonymous

    Amateur Tip:  If you’re going to use a profile picture of a joke presidential candidate, change it when he ends up being a complete failure.

  • Anonymous

    I must have missed God’s latest tweet about gays in the military. What did she say?

  • Anonymous

    Homosexuality is a sin, and Rick Perry’s America is a fundamentalist theocracy. 

  • Pablo

    Ah, but then I wouldn’t be able to watch you get worked up about an avatar, which I deeply enjoy. Also: Best. Hat. Ever.

    This is why you’re an amateur.

  • Anonymous

    So is eating shrimp, pork, wearing nylon and working/driving/using electricity on a Sunday.  Jesus hung out with some pretty bad ones himself as I’ll recall, and I’m pretty sure he said the most important thing was to love them, not to judge them.   

  • Anonymous

    Talking from experience after taking those medications that was prescribed to ya? I hope they worked wonder.

  • AMP2020

    I love Stewart and Colbert and I think that joke is still kinda funny.

  • AMP2020

    There is nothing more helpful to the plight of homosexuals than a “dedicated” bible-thumper making a “confident” statement like that.

    Aside from the disgusting nature of the response, I don’t think Perry is a bad guy. He’s just that clueless uncle you have in your family, who has children that will more than likely correct the bigotry in the next generation. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s an excellent point.

    Believers certainly have the right to express thier moral beliefs and vote accoedingly but when you come to the table of a diverse society to decide policy “because the Bible says”  has very little weight. Your basically expressing a personal opinion that is grounded in religious indoctrination rather than facts and sound reasoning.

  • Anonymous

    Holy cow!  You’ve got 8,666 comments and 30,493 likes!  Man, I wish I could be a pro like you.  How much is the RNC paying you?

  • Anonymous

    “You can safely assume that you have created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”  -Anne Lemott

  • Anonymous

    You may enjoy screwing wioth people but gays can and do have children just as hetero couples with one sterile partner have them.
    The whole gays can’t procreate is a profoundly stupid argument repeated by people who think with their homophobia.

  • Hout Bosques

    Another Compleat Dickwad heard from. 

    I think reader Guyoxim has hit the nail on the head with the only thing the likes of “Gloves A. Donohue” & “Pablo” & “Tatboy” & “Stonepark” & “Michele” in her various limited shapes understand: that they are ungrown, callow, infantile, crude & whatever other synonyms there are for the condition describing the failure to develop into mature humans.

    But it does seem that the large percentage of humans do not mature properly, maybe 20 percent or so, & that their defense mechanism, their survival strategy, is to bond with messians & allege in denial against nature’s Real Universe physics, particularly against diversity. It’s like they’re aware they’ve been left behind, & they’re all scared of anything that’s different, so they all have the same reaction: to demonize it, to bully it & mostly to dehumanize those who exhibit it.

    This is the third of the contestants, that we know of, who has been confronted recently by a gay or transgendered person (Bachmann by the very young boy apparently pushed by his mom, Romney by the veteran, now Perry by this young teen girl), and all three contestants have failed, falling back on shibboleths & stump positions designed to ‘sell’ or maintain their brand with the extremists in their party’s voter base – most of whom on all appearances are among that 20% of callow, infantile, immatures. 

    There’s courage on display here, & it’s not by the contestants. These confrontations may themselves in fact be motivated by, or at least urged by, a sort of group consciousness among the gay & transgendered, such as we’ve come to know from the remarkably effective thing Dan Savage did about Rick Santorum, from the “it gets better” movement. Regardless, it still takes a remarkable amount of individual courage, and it’s displays are in pointed contrast with the Tea Party rants & threat we witnessed at Congressional town halls over Medicare in the summer of 2009. This 14 year old is more grown up than Perry is, has been, or ever will be.

  • Anonymous

    But I’m confused.  I thought that “Obamacare” was proof that Obama is an America-hating socialist/Marxist/communist who wants to kill Sarah Palin’s Down Syndrome baby?

  • Anonymous

    That’s your opinion based on religious indoctrination. It won’t hold up to the actual truth which is what is supposed to eventually free us right?

  • Anonymous

    Which is why almost every non-Christian nation on the planet has laws prohibiting murder?

  • Gloves A. Donahue

    Never change, Latka.

  • Anonymous

    Except you don’t know what God says. What you “know” is what you’ve been taught by men, religious tradition, and indoctrination. Mankind has used all sorts of twisted interpretations of their so called Holy books to committ a lonfg list of offenses. As we grow up as people we have ditched them one by one. Religion fuled homophobia is no different.

  • Hout Bosques

    “God” never said a thing, for one simple existentialist reason: “God” doesn’t exist. 

    Over the entire Holocene period, humans seeking to exert power over other humans have invoked gods, or God, or some supposed higher power, to enhance that power. 

  • Anonymous

    He’s not some doddering anachronism sitting in the corner waving his cane at the Cosby show – he’s the governor of Texas with aspirations to the the most powerful elected office on earth

  • Hout Bosques

    Don’t be such an ass. You’ve proven that you’re entirely unsuited to any adult conversation.

  • Pablo

    Ahhhhhhhhh!

  • Pablo

    Not nearly as much as they pay Woody Allen.

  • Pablo

    Our laws, sweetie.

  • Pablo

    You may enjoy screwing with people but gays can and do have children just as hetero couples with one sterile partner have them.

    Your use of the plural is factually incorrect. Procreation requires a functional XX and a functional XY, period. There is no other path to the creation of a child. Whether those two are in a relationship is another matter.

    That isn’t screwing with anyone. That is just a natural biological fact.

  • Hout Bosques

    In support: we know, through examining & tracing DNA, that we humans ultimately are related to every other organic life form that we know of, being every other organic life form on this planet: fish, snails, plants, slime moulds, cats, dogs, birds, reptiles, insects – & it’s quite common to find to asexual, bisexual & homosexual behavior in that mess of life. There are bugs that go through parts of their lives as female & capable to being impregnated & other parts as male capable of impregnating. There are plants that impregnate themselves. There are snails which impregnate each other. The dividing line between ‘female’ & ‘male’ seems to be nothing really more than advertising, a big neon sign, a way to signal members of the complementary gender in certain species or at certain times or both that ‘DNA recombination is possible with this individual’.

  • Pablo

    But I’m confused.

    Of course you are, dear. There are a couple of  people you should familiarize yourself with.

  • Anonymous

    No it wouldn’t.  Simply because laws against murder (which basically every society has had in one form or another–Christian or not) intersect with what the Bible says about murder, does not mean that they can or should be struck down (they would never in a million years be struck down, and this makes perfect sense within the context of our legal system, as the founding fathers placed the constitution, not the Bible, as one of the central documents of our legal system).

    And no, laws against murder in our country do not find their justification in the 6th commandment.  Which isn’t to say that the founding fathers were not influenced by religion when they were setting up the basic system of rights upon which our legal system is based, but they based our legal system on these rights and not the Bible for very deliberate reasons–and even took deliberate steps to ensure that any one person’s interpretation of the Bible could not be used as a sole foundation for establishing laws in this country.

    So, in otherwords, it’s perfectly fine if Perry believes that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin.  It’s even fine if this belief motivates him to pass laws against gays in the military.  However, in the eyes of the law this could never be used as legal justification for passing such a law.  If he wants to justify such a law he’s going to have to come up with compelling reasons which don’t conflict with basic rights guaranteed by the constitution.

  • Anonymous

    If that’s his belief, then fine.  He just can’t call himself a Christian or he would be a phoney.

  • Anonymous

    We are talking about a homosexual having a kid though, which was my point.

    I never said two men could reproduce with only eachother.  Obviously, they can’t.  But that’s the same for anyone, gay or straight.  Two heterosexual men can no more reproduce together than two homosexual men could.

    However, to claim that homosexuals can’t reproduce is ludicrous (which, as I said, has been a major rallying cry of the anti-gay movement for years–that homosexuals can’t reproduce, so they have to “recruit” by turning heterosexuals gay through their magic gay voodoo, or whatever they believe).

    Homosexuals can reproduce as easily as anyone and they have biological children all the time.

  • Pablo

    The Constitution doesn’t say anything about murder, last I checked. It does mention Sundays, though. Any guesses as to why that is?

    Also, the UCMJ does not guarantee Constitutional protections. It is far more restrictive of liberty than the general laws. The First Amendment, for instance, is right out the window for members of the military.

  • Anonymous

    Hmm..interesting…those rumors must be true…ride ‘em cowboy gov!

  • Pablo

    Don’t quit your day job.

  • Anonymous

    I never said the constitution mentions murder.   Just that the Bible is not the document which gives laws against murder their authority in this country.

    And whether or not individuals in the military have all constitutional rights is irrelevant.  What matters is whether or not the passage of the law is constitutional or not.  If congress passed a law banning homosexuals in the military and used the Bible as a justification for this law, it would most definitely be unconstitutional.

  • Anonymous

    So is dating a black person. 

    welcome to the 10th century.   

  • Anonymous

    A disgusting, un-natural & unhealthy sin, at that. The “bi-sexual” teen needs to straighten up and fly right.

  • Anonymous

    Rick Perry spends far too much time pondering the “gay” issue.  When he says he has sinned and that homosexuality is a sin, he may be discussing the same thing. Perhaps all those whispered allegations are true 
    http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/11640/rick-perry-gay-rumors-finally-come-to-a-head-with-release-of-book  this has become an all too common storyline for gaybashers.  Ted Haggard are you still fighting the good fight?

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like you are having a hard time coming to terms with your own sexuality.

  • Pablo

    Laws don’t include their justifications, and they’re either Constitutional or they’re not. The reasons for passing them are irrelevant.

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    And yet Congress passed a law abridging the freedom of speech for military members, and it’s Constitutional! You know why? Because by joining the military, you’re opting into a different set of laws and agreeing to abide by them.

  • Pablo

    I never said two men could reproduce with only eachother.

    Right, you said they only needed an egg. Then we came around to the fact that they need a woman, and only one of the men. Which is a man and a woman procreating, not two men. Which, I might add, is not as easy as heterosexuals procreating because they can just do the horizontal bop.

  • http://twitter.com/pakattak natey p excello

    Last I checked, killing is a sin as well. Thank God our military doesn’t do any killing!

  • Anonymous

    Would Woody Allen have joked about 14-year-old girl’s chances of getting laid?

  • Pablo

    No, he’d have just made it happen.

  • Pablo

    Murder, not killing.

  • Anonymous

    You’re so charmingly conflicted!

  • Anonymous

    How refreshing that Perry is not afraid to say what he believes without hiding behind sophistry.  And for he to believe that homosexuality is a sin, etc., is fully his option. Even for him as a politician to oppose gay rights, that is also cool. Certainly Perry is appealing to millions of people who feel the same as he does in that regard. However, Perry marginalizes and loses far more people with his intolerant views than he gains as supporters. Its nice to know clearly why Perry is a bad choice.

  • Anonymous

    The Bible is a fairy tale about a serial killer with super powers who murders innocent people for very silly reasons.  This is the same madman Christians worship.

  • Pablo

    That guy is good, ain’t he? He gets everybody.

    So, are you in mourning today?

  • Anonymous

    love thy neighbor as thyself- who is thy neighbor pablo? 

  • Anonymous

    Could someone please explain to me how a 14 year old girl could possibly be “openly bisexual”?  And who exactly is this 14 year old girl being “openly bisexual” with?  And not for nothin’  but someone should clue this girl in about how Lesbians feel about bisexuals. 

  • Anonymous

    Should be commended for staying true to his convictions, but he is now irrelevant. 

  • Anonymous

    homosexuality IS a mental sickness and ALL homosexuals ARE mentally sick, psychotic. that includes YOU Hout Bosques

  • http://twitter.com/politicallogic Joel Palmer

    Oh c’mon, at 14 werent we all “openly bisexual”. No?

  • Anonymous

    Heterophobia

    het·er·o·pho·bi·a

    het·er·o·pho·bi·a [hèttər
    ō fṓbee ə]

    n (plural het·er·o·pho·bi·as)
    somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear of sexually desiring opposite sex: somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear and dislike of being sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex: somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear of “normal” sex.

  • Anonymous

    Your bigotry is showing

  • Anonymous

    Psychotic? PROOF PLEASE

    oh, and YOUR BIGOTRY IS SHOWING

  • Anonymous

    Since you seem to be an authority on the matters, you should be qualified enough to answer your own questions.

  • Anonymous

    Your bigotry is showing.

  • Anonymous

    If God created everything, why did he create gays?

  • Anonymous

    Cos mo Dan is just a queer.

    Homophobia DOES NOT exist.  but

    Heterophobia

    het·er·o·pho·bi·a

    het·er·o·pho·bi·a [hèttər
    ō fṓbee ə]

    n (plural het·er·o·pho·bi·as)
    somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear of sexually desiring opposite sex: somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear and dislike of being sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex: somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear of “normal” sex.

    n (plural het·er·o·pho·bi·as)

    somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear of sexually desiring opposite sex: somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear and dislike of being sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex: somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear of “normal” sex.

  • Anonymous

    Homosexuals ARE the BIGGEST LOSERS in life. Winners pass on their genes to the next generation and homosexuals pass on AIDS.

  • Anonymous

    Heterophobia

    het·er·o·pho·bi·a

    het·er·o·pho·bi·a [hèttər
    ō fṓbee ə]

    n (plural het·er·o·pho·bi·as)
    somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear of sexually desiring opposite sex: somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear and dislike of being sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex: somebody that has a strong fear or an irrational or very powerful fear of “normal” sex.

  • Anonymous

    From “homosexuality its causes and cures” by Dr. Albert Ellis Ph.D.

    “5. Although I once believed that exclusive homosexuals are seriously neurotic, considerable experience with treating many of them (and in being friendly with a number whom I have not seen for psychotherapy) has convinced me that I was wrong: most fixed homosexuals, I now am convinced, are borderline psychotic or out rightly psychotic.”

     

    Those who call others ARE by definition the bigots.

    Bigotry

    big·ot

    big·ot [bíggət]

    (plural big·ots)

    n

    intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views

    [Late 16th century. < French ]

    -big·ot·ed, , adj

    -big·ot·ry, , n

    Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

     

    Who is Dr. Albert Ellis?

    Albert Ellis (September 27, 1913 – July 24, 2007) was an American psychologist who in 1955 developed Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT). He held M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in clinical psychology from Columbia University and American Board of Professional Psychology (ABPP). He also founded and was the president emeritus of the New York City-based Albert Ellis Institute.[1] He is generally considered to be one of the originators of the cognitive revolutionary paradigm shift in psychotherapy and the founder of cognitive-behavioral therapies. Based on a 1982 professional survey of U.S. and Canadian psychologists, he was considered as the second most influential psychotherapist in history (Carl Rogers ranked first in the survey; Sigmund Freud was ranked third).[2] Prior to his death, Psychology Today described him as the “greatest living psychologist.” [3]

     

  • Anonymous

    Those who call others ARE by definition the bigots.

    Bigotry
    big·ot

    big·ot [bíggət]
    (plural big·ots)
    n
    intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views

    [Late 16th century. < French ]

    -big·ot·ed, , adj
    -big·ot·ry, , n
    Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

  • Anonymous

    A 14 year old openly bisexual girl is obviously from a dysfunctional family. What parents with any sanity would condone this behavior. She is not old enough or mature enough to even know what this affliction is.

  • Anonymous

    Homophobia is a very real and damaging byproduct of generations of religious indoctrination and teaching. 
    Eventually it will go away as future generations grow up and realize how foolish and wrong it is.

  • Anonymous

    Dumber than bush,if that’s possible.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you folks he’ll be here all week. Another great show at 7

  • Anonymous

    If history is any indicator, I think he’d be asking what his chances were of getting laid by said 14-year-old.

  • Anonymous

    Q:  When was the last time an infertile couple naturally perpetuated mankind?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Shoaf/100000918279221 Rick Shoaf

    Really Pablo?  It seems Hout Bosques hit the nail on the head when describing you, and that’s all you can come up with?  Like you told scott_free in your Pro Tip.. If you’re going to crack a joke, try to be funny.. because this isn’t funny, nor is it constructive criticism.. it’s just a jab.. and not even a good one.  And Hout. I agree.. Perry is a child… that 14 yr old showed more growth and understanding of what’s going on in our country than he ever could.. That a person of supposedly “alternative sexuality” could fight and die for the rights for people with supposedly “normal sexuality”… and that person would still hate everything about the person fighting for their rights, simply because of their childlike understanding of what is normal animal sexuality. 

  • Anonymous

    What planet are you from?  Either you are an alien, or you led a very sheltered life.

  • Anonymous

    Extramarital sex is a sin in some religions.  Is Rick going to bar heterosexuals also?  Do all unmarried people have to be celibate to be in the military?  :-)  When I served in the ’60′s and ’70′s, it would have been a VERY small Army!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Shoaf/100000918279221 Rick Shoaf

    The Constitution mentions Sunday once in all it’s text, and that is because the founding fathers didn’t work weekends.. it has ZERO to do with Christianity.  I notice that not once did they mention the word God or Jesus.  10% of our founding fathers were Christians, the rest were Deists or Free Masons.. neither of which held much regard with the Christian crowd in the 1700s. I suggest that you read Jefferson’s letters to the Danbury Baptist Association, the Treaty of Tripoli and the full text of the 1st Amendment if you would like clarity on what they meant.

    According to Jefferson, our country was founded on Saxon Common Law, which existed for 200 years before Christianity started in England… and yet.. even there, murder was against the law before Christianity. 

  • Anonymous

    Rick?
    Don’t you have a campaign to run instead of post your bigotry here?

  • Anonymous

    Yup. You defined yourself alright.

  • Pablo

    Ah, so you’re an internet psychiatrist with minimal powers of observation and an overabundance of imagination too? Who knew there were two of you?

  • Pablo

    Why didn’t they work Sundays? (Hint: It’s the Christian Sabbath)

  • Pablo

    Are you writing a book?

  • Anonymous

    He is a Jackass!   But, then, I am perhaps offending all jackasses.

  • Larry Linn

    I think that he was talking out of another orifice.

  • Anonymous

    Better Answer:  Who the hell cares?  I doubt there was ever a time when there so many gays failing to reproduce that the future of the species was at stake, but if there was, that time is long gone.  There have always been a certain number of people who didn’t reproduce:  they were incapable of it (or their husband or wife was), they died before they had an opportunity to do so, or they just didn’t want to.   And yet, there are plenty of people.  It’s a non-issue.

  • Anonymous

    No, I’m not factually incorrect. I’m using common vanacular while you are doing what you do, nitpicking details and avoiding the larger point. I’ll repeat it.

    The whole gays can’t procreate is a profoundly stupid argument repeated by people who think with their homophobia.

  • Anonymous

    Or the Westboro asshole Baptists?

  • Anonymous

    Say it ain’t so! You mean soldiers have been known to have sex outside of marriage?

    Nobody would ever suspect that, unless, of course, they had ever studied any history, read any literature, heard any folksongs, gone to the opera, the theater, or the movies…

  • Anonymous

    Unlike you, I am from planet earth, I have children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. I have served in the military, law enforcement and consumer sales. I have worked with more gays than you most likely have ever met or perhaps even seen.. Yes I am a tea party supporter. My life has been anything but sheltered but if ignorance was a disability, you would  qualify for a full pension. I stand by my previous post….What are your qualifications pinhead?

  • Anonymous

    You just can’t help it can you. Maybe it is because your brain is damaged from the e-coli from all the feces you lick off of other men’s anus.

  • Anonymous

    Homophobia has never been listed as part of a clinical taxonomy of phobias, neither in Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) or International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD); homophobia is usually used in a non-clinical sense.[25

    Tradition-Based Convictions

    Are Not “Homophobia,” Say Recent

    Peer-Reviewed Research Papers

    In the book “Homophobia” by Martin Kantor (a paranoid schizophrenic homosexual psychiatrist) Calls EVERYONE including homosexual Homophobic.

    The fact is homophobia IS the paranoid delusions of the homosexuals.

    Homosexuality IS a mental sickness and ALL homosexuals ARE mentally sick, delusional, psychotic. It is a sick disgusting practice that mentally sick people engage in. It has nothing to do with religion since every race, people of all countries through out history have seen that it is sick and UN-natural.

  • Anonymous

    are you avoiding the question? 

  • Anonymous

    6 years active Army, 10 years reserves/NG, 2 tours RVN as Combat Engineer, children, grandchildren.  When did you know you were heterosexual?  For me it was somewhere around puberty, 13 or 14.  Girls mature a bit earlier.  You can deny it, but “Das welt an sich.”  The world is as it is.

  • Anonymous

    What’s really tragic about your posts is the homophobia exhibted so starkly and hatefully in that last paragraph.
     
    Racism is not classified as a mental disorder. Does that mean it doesn’t exist?
    You’re latching on some technicality to support holding on to your bigotry and ignorence. Congratulations. You realize the same professionals that don’t classify homophobia as a clinical term also say homosexuality is not a mental illness. That makes your argument pretty inconsistent doesn’t it?

    Homophobia may be institutional, and cultural, rather than a clinically recognized phobia, but it is just as real as racism and other forms of bigotry.
    It’s one thing to be uninformed and affected by cultural ignorence. It’s quiten another to be willfully ignorent and defend bigotry that  harms so many. It’s quite another to actually make an effort to spread that hateful ignorence or harm other citizens because you value religious myth more than you do your fellow humans.

  • Anonymous

    She is, apparently, old enough to know homophobia when she see it.

  • Anonymous

    A vastly greater number of heterosexuals have AIDS then homosexuals. Sorry, but your ignorance is showing.

  • Anonymous

    I looked, and that isn’t in the DSM IV.

  • Anonymous

    [Late 16th century.]

    Yeah, that’s about right. Us here in the 21st century accept that there are people among us who are different from us.

  • Anonymous

    @GDC97:disqus  — you falsely claim that, “homosexuality IS a mental sickness.”

    Please provide a citation to a peer-review scientific journal paper from the last 25 years to support that claim. If you can, I’ll donate $100 to the charity of your choice. If not, then that will prove you simply made it up, which is also known as lying.

  • Anonymous

    @GDC97:disqus  — Albert Ellis published “Homosexuality: Its Causes and Cure” in 1965. Like any good scientist, Dr. Ellis continued his research throughout his life. By the end of his life, he no longer held the opinions that you ascribe to him. From the web: “in 1976 Ellis clarified his earlier views in Sex and the Liberated Man,
    expounding that some homosexual disturbed behaviors may be subject to
    treatment but, in most cases, that should not be attempted as
    homosexuality is not inherently good or evil, except from a religious
    viewpoint (See “Albert Ellis and religion”, below). Near the end of his
    life, he finally updated and re-wrote Sex Without Guilt in 2001 and released as Sex Without Guilt in the Twenty-First Century.
    In this book, he expounded and enhanced his humanistic view on sexual
    ethics and morality and dedicated a chapter on homosexuality to giving
    homosexuals advice and suggestion on how to more greatly enjoy and
    enhance their sexual love lives. While preserving some of the ideas
    about human sexuality from the original, the revision constituted his
    current humanistic opinions and ethical ideals.”

    So again, provide a citation to a peer-reviewed scientific paper from the last 25 years proving your assertion, and I’ll stop calling you a liar.

  • Anonymous

    Yoiu forgot the race card and the class warfare card. You evidently have no idea what homophobia is much less call me one. You obviously are a by-product of our inferior public education system.. go back on your meds. You have my sympathy you poor baby.

  • Anonymous

    Inis_Magrath well you better tell the CDC they are ignorant too since they report that the vast majority of those with HIV/AIDS are homosexuals.

    YOU are showing your mental sickness, your psychosis. Like all mentally sick people YOU are in a state of denial.

  • Anonymous

    Neither is stupidity but it is a mental sickness. If the APA decided to take schizophrenia out of the DSM it would NOT mean that it is no longer a mental sickness.

    The Fact is 60% of the APA voted against removing homosexuality from the DSM but the homosexuals, bi-sexuals, pedophile, zoophiles and other mentally sick mental health professionals wanted to remove it. Being mentally healthy IS NOT a requirement to work in the mental health profession. There are even schizophrenics, drunkards, drug addicts, rapists, robberies, and as I wrote pedophiles that are in the mental health profession, psychiatrists. The study I am doing now shows that approximately 99% of mental health professionals ARE seriously mentally sick.

  • Anonymous

    YOU can’t read can you!  Yes mentally sick people are different.  If they were not then they would most like NOT be mentally sick.  That is why there are NORMAL people and ABNORMAL people like you.

  • Anonymous

    NO amount of evidence will ever be enough for mentally sick people like you. YOU are in a psychotic denial of your mental sickness and MUST be placed on anti-psychotic medications.

  • Anonymous

    I am NOT going to waste my time to attempt to explain things to YOU since you ARE seriously mentally sick, psychotic! YOU NEED to go get psychiatric help right away.

  • Anonymous

    That’s okay. I wasn’t really interested in an explaination from someone who posts like a 12 year old.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Weiss/100000817744695 Jeff Weiss

    So, what does Rick Perry consider bisexuals? Half sinners?

  • Anonymous

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