Gee, what a surprise. More sloppy reporting from Lucas. Not that facts matter to the right, but still, nice to see Gibbs on it and shaming him in front of other reporters.

What a joke CNS is. Seriously.

Sorry Bobby, don’t run from Berwick’s words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXcGfQBJuhU&feature=youtube_gdata

And Bobby? Your defense of Berwick was verbatim what a Dem strategist said word for word today on FOX.

Did he send you his comment book?

Wow, that right-wing scumbag GOT PWND!!!!LOL

I love the “shut up douchebag” eye-roll look from the lady behind Lucas. lmfao

CNS News is the #2 MOST TRUSTED NAME IN JOURNALISM!!1 Guess what #1 is, you GUTLESS LIBS?!1 I’ll give you a hint: it’s the Most Powerful Name in News!!!1

While I appreciate the link, notsofast, the libs just pretend like you didn’t post it.

Fred Lucas is the new Jeff Gannon (minus the gay escort website on the side).

I love how he just keeps saying “ok that’s fine.”

So dismissive of the truth.

Tragic.

Who the hell would let this man in the press room? He is not a reporter. He is a partisan hack. Get the BASIC FACTS of WHO SAID WHAT straight in the WHITE HOUSE press room. Or at least own up to your mistake.

Or, just be a national JOKE.

You choose, Fred Lucas.

Seriously, smart Americans are laughing at you and now DO think you are a joke because of this exchange today.

Smarten up.

Who the hell would let this man in the press room? He is not a reporter.

I assume you’re ok with Tommy Christopher being in the press room. If I’m wrong, please tell me.

MichelleF said:
I assume you’re ok with Tommy Christopher being in the press room. If I’m wrong, please tell me.

If you don’t like this site, why not find one you do instead of being such a miserable woman all the time? You said you had 2 young children. Seems to me they’re being negleted with you on this site constantly.

Tommy is a professional and gets the basic facts correct before opening his pie hole in arguably the most prestigious place for any reporter to ask a question on earth.

And agree with real john t, if you hate Tommy so much, why are you here commenting on Mediaite, a website that supports him because they believe and KNOW he is a professional (as 90% of the people on this website know, even if they disagree with his opinions from time to time).

John,
I know you libs HATE it that they haven’t banned us conservatives yet, but until they do, you will have to learn to live with us. My comment was a direct response to someone elses. I couldn’t give a flying crap if you like my comments or not. And ps, I’m not miserable and don’t worry about my mothering skills, because I’m told I’m doing a fabulous job!! For the record I have one child and he’s 11. He hardly needs my 24 hour supervision to make it through the day. Unlike liberal kids, he’s quite self-sufficient, as most conservatives are.

MichelleF said:
I’m not miserable

You can’t make one comment without attacking liberals. Yes, you are one miserable woman.

Try reading some of the posts by you and your liberal pals. You are the ones that seem to be seething with rage at all times. Me, I’m smiling at your ignorance right now as we speak! Have a great night!!

MichelleF said:
Try reading some of the posts by you and your liberal pals. You are the ones that seem to be seething with rage at all times. Me, I’m smiling at your ignorance right now as we speak!

Oh My! The hypocrisy in that comment.

foxnews = phony and biased, we distort u abide

with the way the women of foxnews dress on air why don’t they just rename foxnews to SCORES
scores in case u don’t know is a strip club in NY

Lou Phillips said:
with the way the women of foxnews dress on air why don’t they just rename foxnews to SCORES
scores in case u don’t know is a strip club in NY

That’s probably where Michelle F works.

shootfromthehip says:
July 7, 2010 at 8:24 pm

He is not a reporter. He is a partisan hack.

I would assume he’s allowed in for the same reason Tommy Christopher is allowed in. Partisanship apparently doesn’t preclude you from being part of the press corps… whether it should, is another story.

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 8:45 pm

If you don’t like this site, why not find one you do instead of being such a miserable woman all the time? You said you had 2 young children. Seems to me they’re being negleted with you on this site constantly.

Says the guy who DAILY complains about a FOX Fan site, he isn’t allowed to comment on (because he lies, attacks, and swears violating stated rules).

Hypocrisy? Indeed.

ImNotBlue said:
Says the guy who DAILY complains about a FOX Fan site, he isn’t allowed to comment on (because he lies, attacks, and swears violating stated rules).

Hey Dollar, why don’t you run on back to your pathetic little site.

Where is the thread on the BIGGEST scandal of the day – the black panther Voter Intimidation support on behalf of the Justice Department!

One black panther on the tape is caught in another incident advocating “killing white babies’!

In addition to protecting these black panther thugs, one has to ask, DOES HOLDER WANT TO KILL WHITE BABIES, AS WELL?!?!

Great question, Norbit. I’ve been requesting pieces on that as well as the regime shutting out the media on the oid spill, but Colby just emailed me and told me to knock off the requests. Maybe if I request he do a story on Obama’s opinion of Lebron James, they’d deem that important. Oh wait, they already did that story.

@NORBIT

Hey idiot, who was president in 2008? He didn’t leave office until January. Why didn’t he do anything about it if it was such a big deal?

MichelleF said:
Colby just emailed me and told me to knock off the requests.

LOLOL!!

Made my day..

MichelleF said:
but Colby just emailed me and told me to knock off the requests.

Good. About time someone told you miserable woman to stfu.

LOL! – Michelle, just coming up to speed on the oil spill cover-up, so will have to hold comments; but on a moere serious matter, the Dolans are even more inept than the Obama Administration, so don’t expect LeBron to be winding up at the Garden! – Miami would be my guess!!

Keep up the good posts!!

@the real john t: moron, they did, and got a conviction! – Try rteading, or turning to another channel other than msnbc!!!!

NORBIT said:
@the real john t: moron, they did, and got a conviction!

Then why are you bitching about it?

Hey John, the case was dropped AFTER the conviction. But I’m sure you are fine with that.

And BFD, I take Colby’s meltdowns as a badge of honor so if you are thinking I’m bothered by it, you couldn’t be more wrong.

the real john t said:
Then why are you bitching about it?

There are not enough hours in the day to sit down and explain current events to to you john t.

MichelleF said:
Hey John, the case was dropped AFTER the conviction.

I’m sure you have a link to that, so we all can read about it ourselves, like you usually can’t produce. And how in the hell do you drop a “conviction” after a person has been convicted. Do you even know what the word “convicted” means?

MichelleF said:
And BFD, I take Colby’s meltdowns as a badge of honor so if you are thinking I’m bothered by it, you couldn’t be more wrong.

I could’nt care less how you feel.

I was laughing at how Medaite feels!!!lolol

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 9:27 pm

Hey Dollar, why don’t you run on back to your pathetic little site.

And there you have it folks… INB for the win. John T proving what I said, he’s a hypocrite for all occasions.

(PS- I’m not J$… sorry, buddy. Still just INB… the one and only, the original.)

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 9:35 pm

Hey idiot, who was president in 2008? He didn’t leave office until January. Why didn’t he do anything about it if it was such a big deal?

He did… the DOJ was working on it. That is, until the Obama Administration got a hold of it, and decided to end it.

Look dude, you’re failing again… big time. This time, because you don’t know the facts, and it’s obvious to anyone with even a cursory view of the story. Turn off the computer, go out somewhere, and try again tomorrow. Tonight just isn’t going to be your night.

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 9:37 pm

Good. About time someone told you miserable woman to stfu.

Did you argue with me just the other day, saying that you don’t tell people you disagree with to “STFU.” And yet, here you are again, trying to silence people you disagree with.

Sad.

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:02 pm

This is really getting sad.

Here: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/civil-rights/107297-new-black-panther-dismissal-is-sleeper-issue-for-2010-midterms

I’ll wait for your apology to Michelle, myself, and the others whom you have insulted thus far in this post, even though you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.

the real john t said:
I’m sure you have a link to that, so we all can read about it ourselves, like you usually can’t produce. And how in the hell do you drop a “conviction” after a person has been convicted. Do you even know what the word “convicted” means?

Really john t ? Do you read at all ? Again there just isn’t the time to explain this to you so you’ll just have to read it for yourself.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/

ImNotBlue said:
He did… the DOJ was working on it. That is, until the Obama Administration got a hold of it, and decided to end it.

Hey blue boy, did you even bother to read Michelle’s comment? She said they got a conviction. How did the Obama Admin overturn that conviction. Why don’t you try and understand all the comments before jumping in and showing what an ignorant ass you are.

Thanks for posting the link, INB. Being the miserable person I am, I went for a milkshake to try to shake some of the misery!

ImNotBlue said:
I’ll wait for your apology to Michelle,

Hey Dollar, you can kiss my ass.

the real john t said:
Then why are you bitching about it?

Because, like the laws on illegal immigration, Holder refused to enforce the conviction! – Stick around BFD, we’ll bring you up to speed!!!

Ref: prior post:
Sorry BFD, thought it was your comment; redirect to real john t.

lol

Good clever banter & civil discourse here though; I like this site!

How about this John, I should have said they were on the verge of a conviction. Is that better? I love how you want to parse words and not address the real issues of the case. Saul Alinsky would be proud!

the real john t said:
She said they got a conviction. How did the Obama Admin overturn that conviction. Why don’t you try and understand all the comments before jumping in and showing what an ignorant ass you are.

You just keep digging that “stupid ” hole you’re in deeper and deeper, at some point I would suggest that you quit digging and read.

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:21 pm the real john t(Quote)
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ImNotBlue said:
I’ll wait for your apology to Michelle,

Hey Dollar, you can kiss my ass.

How’s that for a witty comeback!

MichelleF said:
Being the miserable person I am, I went for a milkshake to try to shake some of the misery!

I drink your milkshake…I drink it up!!

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:20 pm

She said they got a conviction. How did the Obama Admin overturn that conviction.

From the link I posted (which you apparently didn’t read):

Following the irrefutable evidence caught on film of voter intimidation, the Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against three individuals and the Black Panther Party itself for violating Section 11(b) of the Voting Rights Act — which prohibits intimidation, threats and coercion. When none of the named defendants nor the New Black Panther Party showed up for trial in April 2009, a default judgment was entered in favor of the government.

Here’s where things get interesting. After the government had won its case in the absence of the defense to present itself, the Department of Justice abruptly changed course and sought to voluntarily dismiss the charges against three of the defendants while giving a slap on the hand to another by telling him that he was not able to go to Philadelphia polling stations through the 2012 elections. The big question as to why the Department of Justice would drop the charges on a clear-cut case of voter intimidation startled many; in today’s commission hearing, I think we found the answer that had so far been elusive.

See?

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:21 pm

Hey Dollar, you can kiss my ass.

Uh-oh… someone’s getting to be a grumpy Gus!

I know we all just proved you REALLY wrong, and showed that you don’t know what you’re talking about, but still aren’t afraid to pretend that you do. So I can understand why you’re getting pretty upset. Poor guy.

But I am going to have to hold you to that apology. You insulted folks around here, even though you didn’t understand the story. I think an apology is only fair, now that you’ve been proven wrong.

MichelleF says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:24 pm

Oh, you don’t have to change anything. You were 100% correct.

ImNotBlue says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:10 pm
————————————

Blue boy, you’re not really serious posting an opinion piece from Ron Christy are you? He is one of the biggest RW apologist there is. Look who the pundits are on the “Hill”.

Look, I asked a question where it said there was a “conviction” and where did the Obama Admin overturn that “conviction”. Do any of you RWingnuts understand that?

Why would Johnny Dollar, who runs two blog sites that I know of, comment at Mediate, and if he did, why would he not comment as “Johnny Dollar?”

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:32 pm

John, can we just skip ahead to the point where you start calling me names because I’ve proven you wrong again? I mean, let’s hurry this up.

I really don’t want to play the “I don’t like that author” game, because it’s all you got.

Here’s another quote for you:

In April 2009, the division seemed to win the case by default because the New Black Panthers failed to show up in court. But the following month, a longtime Justice official, Loretta King — who was then the acting head of the division — decided to reduce the scope of the case.

The department dropped the charges against the party, its chairman and the man who was not carrying a club.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/us/07rights.html

I know “Charlie Savage” wrote that… whoever that is, so you probably don’t care for it. And it was from the NYTimes, so again… not enough of a source for you.

And again, I’ll ask for the apology… but await the insults.

I have a feeling that john t has no idea that criminal trials are different than civil trials . Given that this was a civil court case there can be no convictions. There can be judgements entered against a plantiff which was the case here.

Plaintiff sb. defendant

MichelleF said:
How about this John, I should have said they were on the verge of a conviction.

Why didn’t you say that in the first place? No, you had to pull shit out of your Repug place (your ass) and think everyone should just believe it. Plus they had 2 months to prosecute them, what was the hold up. I’ll tell you why, because there were no witnesses that said they were intimidated. I know you like to scream about there was witnesses. But until you can show proof your argument is useless.

Wow, Mediaite editors, you need better listening skills. The reporter did not misappropriate a comment. What happened was that Gibbs read a very similar comment made by a Republican, and then asked if Berwick said things like “rationing happens today, the question is, ‘who will do it?’” “Did he say that?” Gibbs asks. And the reporter says, “that was one comment.” And then Gibbs let’s him in on his trick question, “That was Paul Ryan.” But, Gibbs never denied that the original quote the reporter brought up did in fact originate from Berwick. In fact, the reporter tries to give the citation for the original Berwick comment as coming from a speech he made in Britain, but was interrupted by Gibbs. And Berwick did, in fact, say the quote the reporter attributed to him: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/obamas-medicare-appointee-praised-britains-national-health-service-93709109.html

rorschach said:
I have a feeling that john t has no idea that criminal trials are different than civil trials . Given that this was a civil court case there can be no convictions.

What the hell are you blabbering about now. Are you saying this was a civil court case?

John, why are you ignoring the evidence INB gave? You’re getting a little touchy.

MichelleF said:
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John, why are you ignoring the evidence INB gave?

Because there is no evidence there. If you could read you’d know that, plus coming from a RW apologist such as Ron Christy is a joke.

John, there comes a point when you should cut your losses and walk away. I think you have reached that point. Take your meds and go to bed. If you ran out, ask Ted, maybe he can score some from the orderly’s for you.

MichelleF said:
John, there comes a point when you should cut your losses and walk away.

No.

I want more flame war between you guys.

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:56 pm

Plus they had 2 months to prosecute them, what was the hold up.

In John T’s world, cases can be brought, argued, and decided by weeks end. Apparently, he thinks the legal system is equal to, oh let’s say, an episode of “Law and Order.” Everything gets wrapped up in an hour!

Ugh.

I’ll tell you why, because there were no witnesses that said they were intimidated. I know you like to scream about there was witnesses. But until you can show proof your argument is useless.

What John is really saying here is, “Yes, there’s plenty of evidence, and there is a video, and testimony, and all that. But it doesn’t matter, because I’m not going to believe it! So go ahead, show me something… then I’ll tell you it isn’t good enough, make up some other excuse, and pretend like I’ve shown you something.”

Of course, he has no evidence for his own view… but John T doesn’t actually have to live up to the standards other people live up to.

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:04 pm

And the other link? I guess the NYTimes is no good either.

Why don’t you tell me where you want some info from… what’s good for you?

MichelleF says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:08 pm

It’s pretty incredible, isn’t it? He’s said so many things tonight that are lies, and easily proven so… yet he continues to fight. Reminds me of that scene from Monty Python… he’s the black knight, getting limbs chopped off, still insisting he’s ready to fight.

Maybe we should just call him Stubby from now on.

MichelleF said:
there comes a point when you should cut your losses and walk away.

You should have done that a long time ago.

Why would I do that, Stubby? I find talking to you libs SO entertaining.

ImNotBlue said:
Of course, he has no evidence for his own view… but John T doesn’t actually have to live up to the standards other people live up to.

Hey little blue boy, I’m not the one that keeps screaming that there are witnesses and then not providing any proof that there were witnesses. Got that little blue boy?

the real john t said:
You should have done that a long time ago.

I think if MichelleF left this site for one week, mediate’s page hits would plummet to the point where they’d actually take her suggestions on topics of discussion to bring her back into the fold.

Disagree with her or not, mediate might loose an employee or two if MichelleF decided to plant her flag somewhere else.

John T explained.

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:23 pm

Hey little blue boy, I’m not the one that keeps screaming that there are witnesses and then not providing any proof that there were witnesses. Got that little blue boy?

You mean, like the video I posted in the at 11:15? You know, the one in the same post you’re referencing now? It’s on video!

ImNotBlue says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:26 pm ImNotBlue(Quote)
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John T explained

INB, I’m not ashamed to say that made me laugh so hard I almost pee’d. That is him to a T!

Rogue-Comic said:
I think if MichelleF left this site for one week, mediate’s page hits would plummet to the point where they’d actually take her suggestions on topics of discussion to bring her back into the fold.

You are kidding aren’t you? Since they don’t listen to her “suggestions” now and their site hasn’t suffered.

MichelleF said:
I’m not ashamed to say that made me laugh so hard I almost pee’d.

Gross. No one wants to hear that Michelle.

When I read that I almost shit myself.

the real john t said:
You are kidding aren’t you? Since they don’t listen to her “suggestions” now and their site hasn’t suffered.

Because she still posts, a lot. Is there any other commentator here who even remotely approaches the amount clicks MichelleF generates for this site, even by a quarter?

MichelleF said:
INB, I’m not ashamed to say that made me laugh so hard I almost pee’d.

Just shows the miserable old woman’s bladder is about to give out.

If MichelleF and Big_F-ing_Deal own lab tops, they should both report with them to the restroom immediately or at least get a hold of some bedpans.

Rogue-Comic said:
Because she still posts, a lot. Is there any other commentator here who even remotely approaches the amount clicks MichelleF generates for this site, even by a quarter?

She claims to have a job. How does she hold the title for the queen poster? Unless it’s a job going to her mailbox and getting her welfare check.

MichelleF says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:32 pm

That is him to a T!

HA! I get it!

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:38 pm

When I read that I almost shit myself.

Classy as always.

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:40 pm

Finally, we’re on to the insults! And here I thought you were going to keep exposing your ignorance all night, never getting to the part where you finally give up, realize you’ve been beaten (again), and just start insulting people.

Phew! What a relief.

the real john t said:
She claims to have a job. How does she hold the title for the queen poster? Unless it’s a job going to her mailbox and getting her welfare check.

Did a republican just steal John’s computer?

John, I’m conservative and therefore have way too much pride to be on welfare. I work more than full-time. I just happen to work at home and on the computer, so I’m admittedely almost always on it.

You know little boy blue, it seems you are the one that always runs with your tail between your legs.

MichelleF said:
I just happen to work at home and on the computer,

Yeah, posting on Mediaite.

John, Your insults need some help so I’ve included a couple links to help you out:

http://www.howtodothings.com/family-relationships/how-to-deliver-classy-insults

http://jaymorrissey.com/blog/handling-insults-with-some-of-your-own/

Good luck!

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:50 pm

You know little boy blue, it seems you are the one that always runs with your tail between your legs.

This is the armless and legless John T shouting that “I’m running away.”

Again, The Black Knight… to a T.

MichelleF said:
I just happen to work at home and on the computer

You’re not a Nigerian prince, are you?

The irresistible force against the immovable object with ImNotBlue running in for the swerve. This is better than an episode of WWE Smackdown!

MichelleF said:
John, Your insults need some help

The pot calling the kettle black. BTW Michelle, my wife works out of the house and is on the computer most of the day as a case manager, but she doesn’t have time to sit on a blog all day.

ImNotBlue said:
This is the armless and legless John T shouting that “I’m running away.”

Will see how long you last tonight before you go crying yourself to sleep.

Rogue-Comic says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:57 pm

Wait, which one am I? Irresistible or immovable?

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:59 pm

BTW Michelle, my wife works out of the house and is on the computer most of the day as a case manager, but she doesn’t have time to sit on a blog all day.

Well, clearly “your wife” and Michelle have the same job, so it’s understandable why your comparison makes perfect sense.

Oh wait… nevermind. I guess they do different things, and are thusly able to budget their time differently. Whoo… that was a hard explanation to come up with.

BTW Michelle, my wife works out of the house and is on the computer most of the day as a case manager, but she doesn’t have time to sit on a blog all day.

Neither do I, but wouldn’t it be fun.

the real john t says:
July 8, 2010 at 12:01 am

Will see how long you last tonight before you go crying yourself to sleep.

Yeah… because “going to sleep” means a loss, right?

Even though, I’ve provided you ample evidence, backed up my statements, and proven you wrong half a dozen times in this thread… you’re still going to insist you didn’t lose the argument, right?

You demanded proof… I gave you proof. And yet, since then… you haven’t addressed it. I wonder why that is.

And before you do the “where” game, as I’ve seen before… let me answer that one too:

ImNotBlue says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:28 pm

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:23 pm

Hey little blue boy, I’m not the one that keeps screaming that there are witnesses and then not providing any proof that there were witnesses. Got that little blue boy?

You mean, like the video I posted in the at 11:15? You know, the one in the same post you’re referencing now? It’s on video!

AND so you don’t have to scroll again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

the real john t said:
What the hell are you blabbering about now. Are you saying this was a civil court case?

Uhhhh……… Yeah…………….Retard It was.

ImNotBlue said:
Rogue-Comic says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:57 pm

Wait, which one am I? Irresistible or immovable?

You’re the guy that runs in for the swerve. Not to belittle Michelle or John, but there is more thought and intent behind what you write than anybody else who has commented here, hence the “swerve.”

That must make me irresistable. I think John and BDF would agree. Now, this have been ALOT of fun, but alas, I have to get up early for WORK, so I’m off to bed.

MichelleF said:
That must make me irresistable. I think John and BDF would agree. Now, this have been ALOT of fun, but alas, I have to get up early for WORK, so I’m off to bed.

Yep, you’re irresistible and John is immovable.

Sorry to see you head off; twas fun reading your verbal sparring match.

ImNotBlue said:
Even though, I’ve provided you ample evidence, backed up my statements, and proven you wrong half a dozen times in this thread

You haven’t done any such thing. Now you’d better run along and put your jammies with the feet on them and jump into bed.

Rogue-Comic says:
July 8, 2010 at 12:10 am

Oh, well thank you! Honestly, I’m just wasting time. I do some freelance graphic design stuff in my “spare time” (can one do freelance work and still call it “spare time” or is that “work time” again? anway…), and the project is kinda annoying. So I’m stalling.

That, and it’s blisteringly hot out.

But thanks for the compliment… I do try.

Although, I might follow Michelle’s lead and take this opportunity to head off. Early day tomorrow, and the company softball at night! Woo!

the real john t says:
July 8, 2010 at 12:18 am

You haven’t done any such thing.

Uh-huh. Two articles, and a video… but none of that counts? Ah, the world according to John.

BTW, this is moment 2:56 of the Black Knight video:

“Tis but a scratch.”
“A scratch? Your arms off!”
“No it isn’t.”
“Than what’s that then?” (pointing at the bloody arm on the ground)
“I’ve had worse.”

Hilarious! To a T!

“Now you’d better run along and put your jammies with the feet on them and jump into bed.”

Dude, it’s about 90 degrees here… footie pajamas aren’t gonna make it.

the real john t said:
You haven’t done any such thing. Now you’d better run along and put your jammies with the feet on them and jump into bed.

See. Immovable.

To attempt to debate John T equates to shoveling all the water out of the Pacific Ocean. Not going to happen.

But I thoroughly enjoy and am entertained/informed at the attempts.

ImNotBlue said:

Oh, well thank you! Honestly, I’m just wasting time. I do some freelance graphic design stuff in my “spare time” (can one do freelance work and still call it “spare time” or is that “work time” again? anway…), and the project is kinda annoying. So I’m stalling.

That, and it’s blisteringly hot out.

But thanks for the compliment… I do try.

Your welcome, I find your comments very well thought out. I wish you had a counterpart on the left side of things.

Rogue-Comic says:
July 8, 2010 at 12:32 am

Magister usually fills that role, IMO. He’s pretty good, and not overly partisan or hack-y. He gets my vote (I think it’s a he… but who really knows?)

ImNotBlue said:
Uh-huh. Two articles, and a video…

Neither one of the articles or the video showed them intimidating anyone. And like I said before, the opinion piece by Ron Christy is suppose to be taken as the truth? The NYTimes article you gave, maybe you should go back and read the whole thing.

ImNotBlue said:
Rogue-Comic says:
July 8, 2010 at 12:32 am

Magister usually fills that role, IMO. He’s pretty good, and not overly partisan or hack-y. He gets my vote (I think it’s a he… but who really knows?)

You’re right. Magister is a thoughtful commentator who tends to lean left. From what I can recall though, he’s more a center left commentator than a mid to far.

You seem to be about mid-right, and I guess I’d like to read someone here mid to far left construct an argument as well as you and he. My wife, who also commentates under this user-name here, says that is not possible. Maybe we just don’t visit as much as others who commentate here?

“Rogue-Comic says:
July 8, 2010 at 12:48 am Rogue-Comic(Quote)
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Wow, someone disapproves that I want to hear thoughtful liberal content here.

Stay classy, mediate readers.

ImNotBlue said:
This is the armless and legless John T shouting that “I’m running away.”

ImNotBlue said:
Although, I might follow Michelle’s lead and take this opportunity to head off. Early day tomorrow,

OH WOW! Who’s the one running away AGAIN? I guess if I say I’m going to bed I’m running away. But little boy blue can say it and it has a whole different meaning.

Don’t feel bad Rogue-Comic , I pointed out that the BP voter case was a civil case and recieved 1 up and 2 down.

Facts and open minds BOOOOOOOOOOOOO !

Or maybe Rogue-Comic its BOOOOOOOURNS ! Maybe ?

Rogue-Comic said:
Wow, someone disapproves that I want to hear thoughtful liberal content here.

Do you call what the Repugs throw out on here thoughtful content?

the real john t said:
OH WOW! Who’s the one running away AGAIN? I guess if I say I’m going to bed I’m running away. But little boy blue can say it and it has a whole different meaning.

The John T stands alone!

the real john t said:
Do you call what the Repugs throw out on here thoughtful content?

I analyze the words people write here, not if they have a (D) or an (R) after their (user) name.

rorschach said:
Don’t feel bad Rogue-Comic , I pointed out that the BP voter case was a civil case and recieved 1 up and 2 down.

Facts and open minds BOOOOOOOOOOOOO !

Or maybe Rogue-Comic its BOOOOOOOURNS ! Maybe ?

Mayhaps, I just found it silly to be booed for wanting intelligent thought.

@ Rogue-Comic

Mr. Burns: Smithers, are they boo-ing me?
Smithers: Uh…no. They’re saying boo-URNS, boo-URNS

Rogue-Comic

I have no problem with you. INB came on this thread on the attack mode and jumped into a conversation that he had no idea what I was really talking about. I have no patience for someone like him. He wants to talk down at me, then he’ll get his BS thrown right back at him.

rorschach said:
@ Rogue-Comic

Mr. Burns: Smithers, are they boo-ing me?
Smithers: Uh…no. They’re saying boo-URNS, boo-URNS

ha-HA

the real john t said:
Rogue-Comic

I have no problem with you. INB came on this thread on the attack mode and jumped into a conversation that he had no idea what I was really talking about. I have no patience for someone like him. He wants to talk down at me, then he’ll get his BS thrown right back at him.

If you want clarify, I’m sure INB would have a better perspective of which to respond, if he so chooses.

I just like to read your trade-offs.

ImNotBlue said:
Magister usually fills that role, IMO.

You’re kiddin’, right? Don’t flatter yourself.

Magister is the most unbiased and informative poster on this site.
His posts are mini-masterpieces of knowledge and logic.
You aren’t worthy to lick the dog shit off his shoes.

Rogue-Comic said:
I’m sure INB would have a better perspective of which to respond,

No, all he wants to do his attack. Any thread I’m on, his first comment will come after me even if I posted something 6hrs before. I don’t have any use for the POS.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
You’re kiddin’, right? Don’t flatter yourself.

Magister is the most unbiased and informative poster on this site.
His posts are mini-masterpieces of knowledge and logic.
You aren’t worthy to lick the dog shit off his shoes.

They both equally enjoy the greatness of eating multi-mini butterfingers . . .

the real john t said:
No, all he wants to do his attack. Any thread I’m on, his first comment will come after me even if I posted something 6hrs before. I don’t have any use for the POS.

Even if its personal, he posts point of fact with literature rather than hyperbole. He’s a hard guy to debate logically.

Rogue-Comic said:
Even if its personal, he posts point of fact with literature rather than hyperbole. He’s a hard guy to debate logically.

Puh-leeze.

All he dos is quote half a dozen people and make snarky condescendoing remarks back at them like a 5th grader..

Case in point:

“Jelperman says:
July 7, 2010 at 6:35 pm

Remember folks, MSNBC is supposedly the “liberal” network.

Funny how even the most moderate (read: left-leaning) Republican on television can make an entire network not “liberal.” Who knew JS had so much power?!

I’m sure you apply the same to FNC and Sheppard Smith… right?

the real john t says:
July 7, 2010 at 7:31 pm

Yeah, and it’s probably still on your car made by a Japanese company.

Wait wait wait. Are you now going to complain about American’s buying Japanese autos? Really, John?

Isn’t the left all about the Prius? Isn’t Toyota a Japanese company? Really, John?

shootfromthehip says:
July 7, 2010 at 8:01 pm

It’s hardly the “hate site” Bill O says it is.

I have, and yes… it is.”

Let’s not compare what this guy does to anything REMOTELY close to what Magister does here.

Rogue-Comic said:
Even if its personal, he posts point of fact with literature rather than hyperbole.

No he doesn’t. I asked him for anything where people were being intimidated by the 2 BPs. The one article was an opinion piece by a far right pundit. The second one from the NYTimes, if he would’ve read the whole thing didn’t put conservatives in a good light on the subject let alone show any intimidation. Then you have the video he linked to. The only one in that saying he could be intimidated was the guy making the video. So INB is not the God you hold him up to be.

*Obama Times (NY Times) & CBS continue their COVER-UP of the black panther case!
*Virtually no reporting on it at all!

*Poll-watcher, Bartle Bull (NY campaign manager for Robert Kennedy & Jimmy Carter; civil-rights attny.; former Village Voice editor): – Panthers there to intimidate poll-watchers so 400,000 Acorn-sponsored illicit voters would not be questioned.
*BB: “Robert Kennedy & Martin Luther King did not die to have uniformed thugs carrying weapons block the doors to polling places.”
*Panther to Bull: “Now you will see what it means to be ruled by the black man, CRACKER!” (on video!)

*HOLDER & OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DROP PROSECUTION OF THESE THUGS!

*Is the Attorney General & ‘post-racial’ (LOL! LOL!) President Playing the Race-Card??? – pitting their black ‘enforcers’ against white voters?

*REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER! – A vote for ANY Democrat is a vote for this Administration, and their apparent & blatant racial agenda!!
Always said the true racists dwell overwhelmingly amongst the “group-identity” neanderthals on the LEFT!

the real john t said:
No he doesn’t. I asked him for anything where people were being intimidated by the 2 BPs.

Read away, John. How are you not already familiar with that year old affidavit?

Robert Gibbs is an idiot, the Berwick comments are on video and audio. He just bullied the guy, and did not answer the question. The answer is yes the President agrees with the Socialist Berwick, the President is a Socialist.

the real john t said:
@NORBIT

Hey idiot, who was president in 2008? He didn’t leave office until January. Why didn’t he do anything about it if it was such a big deal?

Hey, IDIOT! the Bush Administration DID proceed with civil charges against the Black Panthers. In fact the case was all but adjudicated, but the Obama administration’s lackey Holder and his DOJ were the ones who VACATED the judgment. Before you go calling someone an idiot and then proving you’re one yourself by your included comment, please check your facts first.

“The lesson? Robert Gibbs won’t entertain baseless questions from reporters who haven’t done their homework. And when he does, he makes enough of an example out of them to keep the rest of the Press Corps on their toes.”

“Gibbs caught Lucas attributing comments to Berwick by Republican Congressman Paul Ryan”

- no he didn’t.

I’m not sure if Frances actually understood what Gibbs was doing here… The quote “excellent health care is by definition redistribution” was made by Berwick, and is on youtube. Fred Lucas did his homework, Gibbs was just a jerk and tried to ignore his question by throwing a Paul Ryan quote at him. Lucas wasn’t asking about Paul’s quote, he was asking about Berwicks.

Apparently Gibbs didn’t do his homework, or he was just being a jacka**.

Paul Ryan was discussing Medicare when he said, “Rationing happens today! The question is who will do it? The government? Or you, your doctor and your family?”

In an interview last year with Biotechnology Healthcare, Berwick said society makes decisions about rationing all the time, and that the “decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open. And right now, we are doing it blindly.”

I think, being put on the spot as Lucas was, it was easy to mistake Paul Ryan’s comment, as quoted to him by Gibbs, with that of Berwick.

I understand you liberals getting your panties in a wad over the fact that Janine Gerofalo and Bill Maher being your poster children and the fact that you have one of the most ignorant, incompitent presidents in world history to look up to but take a deep breath without the bong and you might see clearly enought to learn something.

I think you imbeciles at “media ite” should do your homework. But isnt that just like you liberal ignoramuses to leave out the facts.

Look, Alinsky is dead and so is your liberal movement. You will never win because what you believe is nothing but a lie.

Anyway, hate to make you guys look even more dumb than you already are but here is what the CNS reporter was talking about before he was interupted by Gibbs using the hand book for imbeciles errr Radicals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Kevz_9lsw

enjoy!!!

Maybe if you liberals pooled all of your money you can redistribute your wealth. But be careful of what you wish for because revolution would mean you liberal cowards would be the first to go.

Gibbs is a liar and he has to know it. Ryan has never made any statement which indicates that the kind of rationing Berwick is such a fan of is happening today. I dare anyone to find it.

CNS should send a more aggressive reporter to cover these things. Being right on the facts is sometimes not enough.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Wow, that right-wing scumbag GOT PWND!!!!LOL

Actually, he didn’t. Gibbs just went Alinsky on this guy. Attack, deflect, etc. Pathetic.

The CNS reporter was CORRECT that Berwick said this.

Talk about needing to do your homework…Frances Martel should try it.

How embarrassing for this website.

sidney238 said:
Actually, he didn’t. Gibbs just went Alinsky on this guy. Attack, deflect, etc. Pathetic.

The CNS reporter was CORRECT that Berwick said this.

Talk about needing to do your homework…Frances Martel should try it.

How embarrassing for this website.

Liberals have an amazing capacity to convince themselves that they’ve won an argument when they’ve actually been humiliated. This is why the Democrats are losing independents big time right now.

Chris Ar said:
Liberals have an amazing capacity to convince themselves that they’ve won an argument when they’ve actually been humiliated. This is why the Democrats are losing independents big time right now.

Pathetic, is it not. Notice none of the lib morons from this site are touching this thread now that Frances has been shown to be a Gibbs suck-up and hypocritical fool.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK, FRANCES.

Uh oh, Frances. CNS has posted a thorough rebuttal, and it seems credible. Do you have a response? Do you care to amend anything you’ve written above or do you stand by every word?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/69149

“Lucas was actually asking Gibbs a legitimate question, and Gibbs was the one who decided to play a game of “gotcha”…”

“Despite Gibbs’s self-satisfaction at tripping up a reporter (who happens to be a good reporter), the implication that Paul Ryan supports rationing just like Donald Berwick is dead wrong. Berwick is a fan of the rationing done by Britain’s National Health Service. Berwick wants the government to decide how to allocate scarce resources. Ryan wants individuals to have the right to make those decisions for themselves.”

“The argument against Obamacare rationing put forward by Ryan is exactly what Obama was trying to ignore by bypassing the Senate and giving Berwick a recess appointment.”
***
Hot Air: Gibbs mocks conservative reporter, White House reporters laugh
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/08/gibbs-mocks-conservative-reporter-white-house-reporters-laugh/

What is wrong with this newswriter? He’s writing the fake (liberal) news: “Robert Gibbs Catches CNS Reporter Misappropriating Comments To New Health Care Chief” What a farce? He doesnt’ “catch” him in anything. There is a real quote by Obama’s guy, Donald Berwick. He says “Excellent health care is by definition redistributional.” Look it up. He says it plain as day. Gibbs won’t even acknowledge this quote. Very Alinsky-esque. The reason why he won’t is because he can’t, it will expose Obama. The fact that Gibbs mocks this reporter is the arrogance and dismissiveness of this administration at work. Demand better from your White House Press Secretary America. Gibbs doesn’t catch this reporter in anything. This reporter has a valid question and he won’t answer it. The fact is the reporter is right. This quote would have come up in a Senate hearing. But Obama doesn’t want that. He wanted to sneak Berwick into a position of power to lead Medicare and Medicaid without a hearing through a recess appointment.

I do not understand how this story got past the fact checkers, if they use such a thing. Lucas was clearly pointing out a quote by Berwick, Gibbs intentionally misled, by throwing back a reference to a similar quote from a Republican, and then the Mediaite “journalist” comes up with this misleading story?? Dan, your reporters should write the facts, not what they wish had happened!

Rogue-Comic says:
July 8, 2010 at 12:48 am

You seem to be about mid-right, and I guess I’d like to read someone here mid to far left construct an argument as well as you and he.

Yes, I’d put myself about mid-right. I’m more center-left on some social issues, but more right on fiscal and so on. But by nature, I don’t think the “far left” (as well as the “far right”) is willing to have a real debate on anything. Part of the “far” nature is to really hate the opponent… so I’m not sure a real discussion can take place.

the real john t says:
July 8, 2010 at 1:11 am

You misread the comment, Johnny. I never claimed you were running away… only shouting that everyone else was running away, even though the debate was over, and you were left armless and legless.

the real john t says:
July 8, 2010 at 1:31 am

Says the guy who couldn’t really refute any of the articles, OR the video of the NBP’s outside the polling location (simply claiming I never posted that video).

the real john t says:
July 8, 2010 at 1:44 am

No, all he wants to do his attack. Any thread I’m on, his first comment will come after me even if I posted something 6hrs before. I don’t have any use for the POS.

A lie. Although again, coming from someone who attack J$ even when it’s completely unrelated, I find this very ironic.

the real john t says:
July 8, 2010 at 2:19 am

Exactly how many people need to be intimidated, before it becomes voter intimidation?

Again John… you’re still floundering. But it was fun to watch.

I challenge everyone here (not all need it, BTW, many have made good sense) to be COMPLETELY INTELLECTUALLY HONEST on this discussion. If people are going to resort to childish bickering, they only support the old saying that “arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics…”

The only progress in debate comes with AGREEING READILY AND HONESTLY where you agree, and finding where thoughts then diverge. Two people who can’t agree that the sky is up and the ground is down can’t do anything to discuss anything. They are simply banging keyboard keys back and forth at each other. You would arguably do better to exchange addresses and fight.

To make sense of this issue today, I will break down the components of what took place. Anyone who disagrees should identify which of the numbered items he disagrees with and then explain why, with evidence.

1. The reporter (Lucas, I believe) asked a question that involved a specific quote, attributed to Berwick, and Lucas got that quote AND its attribution correct.

2. The quoted comment was something close to “excellent health care is by definition ‘redistribution.’”

3. The question was “Does the President actually agree with that comment?”

4. Gibbs did not answer the question in item 3. He embarks on a long discussion of claims, and never provides an answer to whether the President agrees with the comment in item 2. (Specifically, rather than say whether the President believes that “excellent healthcare is by definition redistribution”, Gibbs makes claims that include that Berwick is “uniquely and supremely qualified, that his appointment is supported by not only Democrats but some from the Bush administration from important to “government” to “seniors” and “to the implementation of the new healhcare law.”)

5. After some time where Gibbs speaks but does not answer the question of whether the President believes that “excellent healthcare is by defintion redistribution,” Lucas repeats the question.

6. Gibbs then responds that “this is exactly the sort of political game that..uh…the American People have come to understand dominates Washington.” Again, he has not answered the question.

(BEGIN COMMENTARY: Further, one is left to wonder to what antecedent Gibbs’s pronoun “this” refers? WHAT is the “political game” of which he speaks? Presumably by his adversarial tone he is in some way referring to something in Lucas’s question or something done by Lucas in asking the question. But on its face, Lucas has TWICE asked a straightforward question about what the Presdent believes, and no answer has been provided by the man whose TAXPAYER FUNDED JOB is to ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ADMINISTRATION, asked through the press as a PROXY FOR THE TAXPAYER. This in despicable hubris on Gibbs’ part. END COMMENTARY)

7. Then Lucas abandons his first question and asks a related one.

(BEGIN COMMENTARY: this is Lucas’s first big mistake. He could have said, “I must insist that you answer my question. Does the President believe that ‘excellent healthcare is by definition redistribution?” Instead, he abandons all that he has so far built well, and further leads Gibbs to Gibbs’s next deflection. Gibbs sees that Lucas has weakly abandoned his question, and that Gibbs is now winning. The dog is off his heels, and Gibbs turns and takes the initiative. END COMMENTARY)

8. Gibbs fails to answer the second question, makes snide comments about a “secret comment book” and asks if Berwick said anything LIKE “rationing happens today the question is who will do it?”

(BEGIN COMMENTARY: Gibbs has laid a trap for his weak quarry. Lucas, unprepared or flustered or whatever, foolishly takes the bait. Lucas, thinking Gibbs might now address Lucas’s question if only he can get past this, tries to acknowledge his way past Gibbs’ question. He should have said “I have no idea if Berwick said that–it is actually very different than the comment I first asked about, and I want an answer to whether the President thinks ‘excellenet healthcare is by definition redistribution.” Instead, he offers an unthinking acknowledgement of what Gibbs offered, and the trap is sprung. Gibbs has hit a home run for those who would muddy the waters and baffling the people with B.S. Now he can rake Lucas over the coals as failing to have done his homework, etc.END COMMENTARY)

9. The initial question, does President Obama believe what his appointee has said about “excellent healthcare being by definition redistribution?” has gone unanswered.

10. The White House Press Secretary, whom we taxpayers pay to answer questions about our government, has avoided doing so, and has mocked and humilated a member of the press who serves as our proxy, asking questions about the stance and actions of the administration we pay to administer our federal laws.

(BEGIN COMMENTARY: this is a shameful state of affairs. This is not the arena of ideas. It is an arena of deliberate, unabashed, and unrepentent abuse of the People’s representative in the press. Our population has foolishly allowed itself to be split largely into TWO camps, represented by the Democrats and the GOP. These parties line their own pockets and those of their cronies in business, in politics, in the military and the military-industrial complex. People who stand, cheering and booing like some of those here, happy to get a bad call for “their” team and morally outraged when a bad call goes against them, are the foolish sheep who will be led to the slaughter. The abusive STATE is the enemy of all but the tyrants who run it. Take it back. Shrink it back to the extremely limited size and scope the Founders prescribed. The intellectually dishonest bickering from Team D or Team R allows the statists to continue their sick march toward complete control over the individual. Get your heads out of your behinds while you still can. BE HONEST in debate. Or skip the kabuki theater of your childish squabbles on the Internet and just start the next civil war now.

If you are smart and honest, you will discuss things and realize that the fans of Team D and Team R are mostly made up of the little people, all of whom will get the shaft from either or both. The average fan of Team D has a lot more in common with the average fan of Team R than either has with the people on Team D or Team R. LeBron and DWade don’t care about the little people of Cleveland or Miami or anywhere. They care about themselves. They may at times fight mightily with one another, and at times may join sides. But in all cases, they will stand with one another, taking the rest of us for granted, and getting richer off of us.

And again, to be fair, there have been some people who have quite rightly analyzed what took place here in this Gibbs-Lucas exchange. I mean you no insult whatever, rather I commend your honest and accurate evaluation. Team D was in the wrong today. As is usually the case with either team when they are in power. I do offer encouragement to maintain your honesty and accuracy when “Team R” is in the wrong, which they have been and will be again. Both major parties are, by and large, a disgraceful pack of lying statists to whom the Constitution is an annoying, and ever-weaker shackle. Until you see massive REPEALS of laws instead of creation of new ones, and until you see massive shrinking of government payrolls and power, this will ever be the case. The Constitution is a shackle on government to protect you. It is nearly broken. Restore the shackle. END COMMENTARY.)