Good move Mitch. Obama and the Democrats own this lousy economy lock, stock and barrel. And they will find out just how much they own the economy in Nov 2012.

Chinless Mitch, you’d be better off keeping silent. The more you talk, the more cowardly you sound.

Face up McConnell, your not on the most corrupt list for nothing.. you and the rest of the Repukables are spineless Wallstreet bank slaves.. you folded in fear and once again the American people get it shoved up their arse.. The Tea Party needs to step it up and get all these spineless bastards on both sides out of Washington and get sending cuts under control!

So…. Mitch’s plan is to not doing anything at all about the economy in hopes of political game? This sounds like the country first attitude I heard so much from the GOP in the 2008 election

Figures, republicans still in denial of any part of the financial collapse that caused this “bad” economy.

RhapsodyinBlue said:
This sounds like the country first attitude I heard so much from the GOP in the 2008 election

Then I hope you had your ears open on Nov 2, 2010.

Azarkhan said:
Then I hope you had your ears open on Nov 2, 2010.

The ones where they said they would repeal Obamacare and now have subsequently given up on after only a vanity bill being passed in the house? Yeah, campaign promise really filled

RhapsodyinBlue said:
Yeah, campaign promise really filled

Indeed. A gain of 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats for Republicans. Sorry, but Americans are fed up with left wing extremism.

translation: ” I don’t want to do it, so i’ll pass the buck”

Azarkhan said:
Indeed. A gain of 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats for Republicans. Sorry, but Americans are fed up with left wing extremism.

Where are the jobs? it seems like things have gotten worse under a republican dominated house.

Stunning admission and compelling evidence not only of politics over national policy but Republican complicity in instigating crisis.

” [Obama] will say that Republicans are making the economy worse and try to convince the public, maybe with some merit, if people start not getting their Social Security checks…”

Boehner calls the president a “fear monger” while McConnell admits to causing the problem… some are dedicated to taking this dangerous game of chicken into the wall while others are ready for a high speed roll out an open door… not sure that the right will recover from the deepening split.

Azarkhan said:
Good move Mitch. Obama and the Democrats own this lousy economy lock, stock and barrel. And they will find out just how much they own the economy in Nov 2012.

YEAH….after President Obama is RE-ELECTED…….it’s the same rationale as Bush being elected by Owning that Fabricated WAR!

Nationman said:
translation: ” I don’t want to do it, so i’ll pass the buck”

Um, it’s your party the refused to put forth a budget, not the Repubs.

Nationman said:
Where are the jobs? it seems like things have gotten worse under a republican dominated house.

Wow, you really are silly. Anyway, the jobs will be created once the socialist Democrats are thrown out of the Senate and the White House. You see, right now the Democrats control the Senate and WH, just like they controlled the House for the previous 5 years before 2011… Oh forget it, you’ll never understand. LOL

Naturally. Why should McConnell take any responsibility for the economic crisis that the Republicans unleashed on the American people. Being responsible and honest goes against everything conservatives believe in. I understand McConnell’s rationale here.

Mstr Adassa said:
YEAH….after President Obama is RE-ELECTED…….it’s the same rationale as Bush being elected by Owning that Fabricated WAR!

How’s he going to be reelected when he’s hemorrhaging Independent and Jewish support?

And his approval rating on the economy is in the 30′s.

Dave Splash said:
honest

Honestly, if someone needs to see the results of Democratic misrule, just look at California, where Democrats have been in control of the state legislature for over 40 years. Talk about your classic “failed state”.

Azarkhan said:
Indeed. A gain of 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats for Republicans. Sorry, but Americans are fed up with left wing extremism.

Sorry Buddy but the Koch Brother paid for those seats! The Wisconsin Recall will Prove that! God Bless Democracy!

and by the way…..President Obama has raised 86 million in THREE months. more than all of the other candidates combined. Hows that for being “FED UP”

U.S. Debt Ceiling Increase Remains Unpopular With AmericansMore are concerned about higher level of spending than risk of economic crisisby Lydia SaadPRINCETON, NJ –

Despite agreement among leaders of both sides of the political aisle in Washington that raising the U.S. debt ceiling is necessary, more Americans want their member of Congress to vote against such a bill than for it, 42% vs. 22%, while one-third are unsure. This 20-percentage-point edge in opposition to raising the debt ceiling in Gallup’s July 7-10 poll is slightly less than the 28-point lead (47% vs. 19%) seen in May.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
And his approval rating on the economy is in the 30’s.

Which still seems to be beating the Republicans and the now defunct Tea Party.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
Jewish support

The Democrats won’t lose Jewish votes. They might lose some Jewish campaign donations, but not votes.

Mstr Adassa said:
Sorry Buddy but the Koch Brother paid for those seats!

Another idiot enters the lists…

Perception is widely held that Obamo has made things much worse; anything that lets that perception grow into 2012, I’m for. A huge spike in hiring the month after the election would be a wonderful ‘FU’ to Obamo.

mitch is seriously in need of mental health treatment. This personal vendetta he has against the President is quite diseased, and he cannot think clearly what is the best for our citizens. The fact that the GOP is allowing him to look like a sick buffoon speaks volumes. Perhaps he should seek treatment at the bachmann counseling center. . .ahahahahahah

This is Obama economy, verge of almost a depression. He has always blamed GOP and Bush for the bad economy, never himself. He promised a fundamental change to the economy, he has succeeded by expanding the size of the government. His socialistic fundamental change needs re-distribution of wealth by increasing taxes to fund the programs such as Obamacare. He knows media is progressive and on his side. Mitch has to adopt a strategy to make sure people understand that it is ‘Obama Depression’ caused by Obama and the liberals. Everyone knows that debt limit has to be raised at the end anyway, why should GOP be blamed for the poor economy and help raise taxes. When Paul Ryan propsed a plan to reduce deficits, the progressives used it for political gain, shoving a ganny down the hill commercial. Obama has not propsed any plan. Let him show a plan in public, not behind closed doors. Let everyone see what Obama propses. His budget was voted down even by the progressives. Mich is left with no other good alternative.

Mstr Adassa said:
President Obama has raised 86 million in THREE months

He plans on raising $1 billion for his campaign. But money won’t decide the 2012 campaign, the economy will.

Azarkhan said:
Wow, you really are silly. Anyway, the jobs will be created once the socialist Democrats are thrown out of the Senate and the White House. You see, right now the Democrats control the Senate and WH, just like they controlled the House for the previous 5 years before 2011… Oh forget it, you’ll never understand. LOL

so what you’re saying is that november elections were a meaningless display. Oh ok.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
Um, it’s your party the refused to put forth a budget, not the Repubs.

a proposed four trillion dollars in cuts and the republicans turned it down. who’s serious about debt reduction again?

Azarkhan said:
Good move Mitch. Obama and the Democrats own this lousy economy lock, stock and barrel. And they will find out just how much they own the economy in Nov 2012.

yep it’s true. the republicans only care about being re-elected.

Yogi Gupta said:
His (obummers) budget was voted down even by the progressive

Bingo.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
How’s he going to be reelected when he’s hemorrhaging Independent and Jewish support?

which gop candidate is going to beat him again?

RhapsodyinBlue said:
So…. Mitch’s plan is to not doing anything at all about the economy in hopes of political game? This sounds like the country first attitude I heard so much from the GOP in the 2008 election

So, you have no idea what the plan entails, then? Thank you for sharing.

Nationman said:
who’s serious about debt reduction again?

The Tea Party.

Nationman said:
so what you’re saying is that november elections were a meaningless display

Not at all. Republicans by winning the House now have a major say in spending and revenue. In fact if Democrats were still in control, we wouldn’t even be discussing increasing the debt ceiling, it would have passed easily. Once the Republicans win the Senate and/or the White House in 2012, then you will see changes.

Yogi Gupta said:
This is Obama economy, verge of almost a depression. He has always blamed GOP and Bush for the bad economy, never himself. He promised a fundamental change to the economy, he has succeeded by expanding the size of the government. His socialistic fundamental change needs re-distribution of wealth by increasing taxes to fund the programs such as Obamacare. He knows media is progressive and on his side. Mitch has to adopt a strategy to make sure people understand that it is ‘Obama Depression’ caused by Obama and the liberals. Everyone knows that debt limit has to be raised at the end anyway, why should GOP be blamed for the poor economy and help raise taxes. When Paul Ryan propsed a plan to reduce deficits, the progressives used it for political gain, shoving a ganny down the hill commercial. Obama has not propsed any plan. Let him show a plan in public, not behind closed doors. Let everyone see what Obama propses. His budget was voted down even by the progressives. Mich is left with no other good alternative.

obama proposed 4 trillion dollars in cuts…

Pablo said:
So, you have no idea what the plan entails, then? Thank you for sharing.

the plan is to raise the debt ceiling and keep on spending. typical republicans.

Nationman said:
obama proposed 4 trillion dollars in cuts…

For what years? 2013? 2017? 2023? LOL. He may not even be President after Nov 2012.

Jaurez said:
Nationman said:
who’s serious about debt reduction again?

The Tea Party.

Might as well be the Bull Moose Party. Not much of it remains.

Azarkhan said:
Not at all. Republicans by winning the House now have a major say in spending and revenue. In fact if Democrats were still in control, we wouldn’t even be discussing increasing the debt ceiling, it would have passed easily. Once the Republicans win the Senate and/or the White House in 2012, then you will see changes.

ahh right of course, that’s why there’s been no jobs creation bills coming out of the house. they’re waiting for the country to collapse.

Nationman said:
ahh right of course, that’s why there’s been no jobs creation bills coming out of the house. they’re waiting for the country to collapse.

Point the finger much? Play the blame game much? Jeez.

Nationman said:
no jobs creation bills

I thought the Democrats passed a whole buncha bills to revive the economy. Oh I forgot, none of them worked.

Azarkhan said:
For what years? 2013? 2017? 2023? LOL. He may not even be President after Nov 2012.

what was the gop plan again? oh wait it never materialized.

Nationman said:
Where are the jobs? it seems like things have gotten worse under a republican dominated house.

The House can’t do anything by itself, and yet Obama tells us things are getting better now. But where are the jobs? Where are the green jobs? Democrat Senate for 5 years now. Democrat President for 3 years. Democrat House for 4 of the last 5 years.

Where are the jobs?

Azarkhan said:
I thought the Democrats passed a whole buncha bills to revive the economy. Oh I forgot, none of them worked.

i thought conservatives would love the stimulus bill, it’s chalk full of tax cuts.

Pablo said:
The House can’t do anything by itself, and yet Obama tells us things are getting better now. But where are the jobs? Where are the green jobs? Democrat Senate for 5 years now. Democrat President for 3 years. Democrat House for 4 of the last 5 years.

Where are the jobs?

and the gop solution was what again?

CLUELESS…hey guys this is OUR economy. Obama DID put forth a budget…did you miss it in your hatred for all things ‘liberal’? Please get off your partisan butts and look at the last ten years and UNDERSTAND it and then you will really see that the entire Congress is acting like two years olds. You may be happy with the game but guaranteed you won’t be happy with the results. Oh but of course, you can keep writing your partisan screeds blaming WHOEVER…if you think the GOP will bail your ass out look at their track record, compare their talking points from now back to 2001 (oh HELL go back to Barry Goldwater) and then see how that works for you. No jobs there………….

Nationman said:
what was the gop plan again? oh wait it never materialized.

Paul Ryan produced a plan and Obama shot it down.
Obama’s Debt Commission produced a plan and Obama shot it down.

Seeing a pattern?

MITCH, YOU GORMLESS TWIT, YOU DON’T SHARE THE BLAME FOR THIS ECONOMY, YOU AND YOUR PARTY CREATED IT. yOU FREAKING own IT, AND YOU AND YOUR CO-CONSPIRATORS ARE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE NOW AND FOREVER MORE, YOU HAVE WRITTEN HISTORY FOR US AND YOU WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR THE REST OF THE EXISTENCE OF THIS REPUBLIC AS THE PEOPLE WHO DESTROYED OUR MIDDLE CLASS. SHAME ON YOU AND ALL YOUR PARTISANS.

Nationman said:
i thought conservatives would love the stimulus bill, it’s chalk full of tax cuts.

Actually it was chalk full of giveaways to Obama’s union cronies. But it merely postponed the inevitable. GM will ultimately fail and the government unions will be forced to accept cuts.

Obama really is a farsighted leader, isn’t he?

Nationman said:
obama proposed 4 trillion dollars in cuts…

Care to be specific? What did he propose to cut? Aside from the military. When would these cuts be instituted?

(BTW, I know you can’t answer these questions. You know why? Because Obama himself has yet to offer any specific plan.)

Azarkhan said:
chalk full

“Chock full”?

Azarkhan said:
Paul Ryan produced a plan and Obama shot it down.
Obama’s Debt Commission produced a plan and Obama shot it down.

Seeing a pattern?

how much did the ryan plan save?

Nationman said:
what was the gop plan again? oh wait it never materialized.

Wow, you really aren’t paying any attention whatsoever, are you? What’s it like to be so utterly ignorant and yet so cocksure in your knowledge of all things?

House Passes Ryan’s 2012 Budget Plan

Doughboy said:
Care to be specific? What did he propose to cut? Aside from the military. When would these cuts be instituted?

(BTW, I know you can’t answer these questions. You know why? Because Obama himself has yet to offer any specific plan.)

entitlement spending was the big one: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
“Chock full”?

Got nuthin much? Rhetorical question of course, mrs. philby. ;)

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
“Chock full”?

You got me!

Just say you didn’t have your contacts in. That’s what Robert always says when he botches a post.

Nationman said:
a proposed four trillion dollars in cuts and the republicans turned it down. who’s serious about debt reduction again?

The Republicans have never turned down cuts, they are however refusing to let Obama and his gang do the only thing they know,,,,,TAX TAX TAX SPEND SPEND SPEND AND it fhey want to stay in office they will continue to refuse any Liberal plan that includes more taxes. The Obamacare debacle alone is tax beyond imagination, and that too has to be killed. Now it would be really nice if you could manage to tell it like it really is, rather than just repeat the Liberal Mantra, Blame Bush, Blame anything Republican but never ever accept the responsibility you own. I dont know if what the Senator is doing is right but it makes sense to me. Let Obama scuttle his own re-election, and what ever he does, after 2012 the new Republican President will repeal it and get us back on track again while we still have a country to call ours.

Nationman said:
how much did the ryan plan save?

What is the Ryan plan?

The Ryan plan generates significant savings over the coming decade- about $4 trillion. It pushes discretionary spending back to 2006 levels and slows the growth of it. It also makes significant cuts of mandatory spending, including major restructuring of how Medicare and Medicaid are operated.

What is the Obama plan?

It’s probably right to say it’s more of a framework, compared to the Ryan plan. His plan only gives rough outlines. He already had his budget, but it was not taken very seriously. Obama certainly recognized that he had to put forth a more serious approach, so he came out with this second approach.

The Obama framework doesn’t generate as much in savings as Ryan’s plan would….

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2011/04/budget-showdown-whats-in-the-obama-and-ryan-plans.html

Azarkhan said:
Actually it was chalk full of giveaways to Obama’s union cronies. But it merely postponed the inevitable. GM will ultimately fail and the government unions will be forced to accept cuts.

Obama really is a farsighted leader, isn’t he?

the original stimulus package was signed by george bush….

Nationman said:
the original stimulus package was signed by george bush

So are you saying that Obama compounded the problem by signing another one?

Mark Schneider posted his article at 12:58 pm.

Immediately emails and tweets went out to the left-wing blog-for-pay crew. People like trolljuice and nationman and eyemjustsaying and Mstr Adassa, who have rarely if ever been heard from, showed up with their talking points.

Not a one has anything to say about the merits or flaws in McConnell’s idea — which I think is a bad one, by the way, because it sets a terrible precedent for future presidents and future Congresses.

“Nationman” said:
the original stimulus package was signed by george bush….

*drink*

Nationman said:
what was the gop plan again?

THEIR “PLAN” IS TO MAKE SURE THIS SITTING PRESIDENT WILL NOT BE REELECTED! STRAIGHT FROM THE TURTLES OWN MOUTH! NO IDEAS ON HOW TO SAVE AMERICA! TALK ABOUT HYPOCRISY FROM THESE SO CALLED “REAL” AMERICANS! WHAT A SAD JOKE!

BlueBunny said:
THEIR “PLAN” IS TO MAKE SURE THIS SITTING PRESIDENT WILL NOT BE REELECTED!

And I just can’t wait for that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ALBaImZWs

Yup, the economy was all CANDY CANES and GUMDROPS when BUSH left office. YUP

BlueBunny says:

sock alert

Azarkhan said:
So are you saying that Obama compounded the problem by signing another one?

actually i was merely commentating on how you think george bush was giving money to his union cronies. pretty hilarious.

Azarkhan said:
Indeed. A gain of 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats for Republicans. Sorry, but Americans are fed up with left wing extremism.

And with about 80% of polls saying the rich should pay their fair share, and the recall elections in Wisconsin going well for democrats, it seems like Americans are now sick of right wing extremism as well. Hopefully we can find a middle ground now.

Jaurez said:
BlueBunny says:

sock alert

redundant accusation alert. hey have you seen just4thefax? or do you have to log out again?

Azarkhan said:
What is the Ryan plan?

The Ryan plan generates significant savings over the coming decade- about $4 trillion. It pushes discretionary spending back to 2006 levels and slows the growth of it. It also makes significant cuts of mandatory spending, including major restructuring of how Medicare and Medicaid are operated.

What is the Obama plan?

It’s probably right to say it’s more of a framework, compared to the Ryan plan. His plan only gives rough outlines. He already had his budget, but it was not taken very seriously. Obama certainly recognized that he had to put forth a more serious approach, so he came out with this second approach.

The Obama framework doesn’t generate as much in savings as Ryan’s plan would….

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2011/04/budget-showdown-whats-in-the-obama-and-ryan-plans.html

Actually the article you provided says in the long term they save about the same…

Dildo Buggins said:
Yup, the economy was all CANDY CANES and GUMDROPS when BUSH left office. YUP

It was?

Azarkhan said:
Actually it was chalk full of giveaways to Obama’s union cronies. But it merely postponed the inevitable. GM will ultimately fail and the government unions will be forced to accept cuts.

Obama really is a farsighted leader, isn’t he?

also tarp was a separate bill…

Nationman said:
how much did the ryan plan save?

What has Obama’s plan saved, actually, what the hell is Obama’s plan. He has none, all he does is run his mouth about how bad it is but never has a plan other than to get taxing the job creators as quick as he can. 5th graders know, there has never been a job created by a bum. No one on welfare has hired a single solid worker. This country needs more Tax Payers,,,,,NOT increased tax rates. You get tax payers by putting them to work, create jobs. You tax the job makers more and they will begin to lay off workers not hire more of them. Obama needs to return to the 5th Grade and get his act together, and sorry thats way too late now. Obama and his gang has in 2.5 years nearly destroyed America, and the Liberal party is out to insure no Conservative gets to the Oval Office to get it fixed. That folks is what defines Stupidity.

Nationman said:
a proposed four trillion dollars in cuts and the republicans turned it down. who’s serious about debt reduction again?

We heard rumors of $4 trillion in cuts — but even the rumors said that it was over 12 years, and that in the next few years the only real cuts would be in defense. It was never a serious proposal.

The president has never been serious about deficit reduction — for example, for several months he put Joe Biden in charge of negotiations!

Nationman said:
redundant accusation alert. hey have you seen just4thefax? or do you have to log out again?

Irony alert

Azarkhan said:
And I just can’t wait for that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ALBaImZWs

tis proof that republicans only crave power.

BlueBunny said:
THEIR “PLAN” IS TO MAKE SURE THIS SITTING PRESIDENT WILL NOT BE REELECTED!

That’s a great plan. I like it.

Ed Durffee said:
What has Obama’s plan saved, actually, what the hell is Obama’s plan. He has none, all he does is run his mouth about how bad it is but never has a plan other than to get taxing the job creators as quick as he can. 5th graders know, there has never been a job created by a bum. No one on welfare has hired a single solid worker. This country needs more Tax Payers,,,,,NOT increased tax rates. You get tax payers by putting them to work, create jobs. You tax the job makers more and they will begin to lay off workers not hire more of them. Obama needs to return to the 5th Grade and get his act together, and sorry thats way too late now. Obama and his gang has in 2.5 years nearly destroyed America, and the Liberal party is out to insure no Conservative gets to the Oval Office to get it fixed. That folks is what defines Stupidity.

no you tax and you cut spending, that’s how you pay back the debt. We have the lowest tax rate since the 1950s and it doesn’t seem to have done us much good.

Nationman said:
obama proposed 4 trillion dollars in cuts…

Obama has propsed no-plans. Can you tell me excatly the programs he proposes to cut and by how much. Everyone knows he propses to raise taxes on “all the millionaires and billionaiers” making over 95,000 and then over 200,000. We know he wants to eliminate also proposed eliminating tax write-off Jet use by the CEOs and the Oil industry. He has given many details how to rais the taxes, he has put no plan forward to show which programs to cut and the amount of cut.

J Baustian said:
blog-for-pay crew.

THINKIN YOU SHOULD READ MEDIAITE EVERYDAY! AHHA THE PAID ONES ARE RIGHT WINGERS! LOOK AT THE NAMES AND TIMES OF HOW OFTEN THESE PLAYERS ARE MAKING COMMENTS! THEN COME BACK AND POINT FINGERS AT PAID BLOG PEOPLE ! LOL REALLY FUNNY POST ,THANKS!

Yogi Gupta said:
Obama has propsed no-plans. Can you tell me excatly the programs he proposes to cut and by how much. Everyone knows he propses to raise taxes on “all the millionaires and billionaiers” making over 95,000 and then over 200,000. We know he wants to eliminate also proposed eliminating tax write-off Jet use by the CEOs and the Oil industry. He has given many details how to rais the taxes, he has put no plan forward to show which programs to cut and the amount of cut.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html
read it yourself.

Jaurez said:
Irony alert

sock puppet alert.

Nationman said:
Actually the article you provided says in the long term they save about the same…

“Over 10 years, our estimate looks like it’s [the Obama plan] close to about $2.5 trillion, and reaches about $4 trillion over 12 years. Many of the savings come at the end of the standard 10 year window.”

That is what PBS says, but the key words are: “It’s [the Obama plan] probably right to say it’s more of a framework, compared to the Ryan plan.”

The difference? The Republicans actually produced a budget that reduces the deficit whereas Obama has only produced talking points–no budget.

Ha, Ha!! Ok, so let me get this right……the plan is to ‘NOT STAND BY YOUR BELIEFS/MORALS & OBLIGATIONS, in order to NOT HAVE HIM RE-ELECTED for another term?’ That sounds like something my 6yr old would say about the other ‘constantly-changing-friends’ on the playground!

Pablo said:
That’s a great plan. I like it.

the “i hope he fails” mentality. Conservatives don’t care about the country they only want to cling to power.

Nationman said:
that’s why there’s been no jobs creation bills coming out of the house.

It’s pretty hard to talk about passing a new bill, with new spending, until the existing level of spending is brought under control.

There are things government could do, like build or repair highways. But with the government already spending $1.5 trillion more than it brings in, legislation like a roads bill can’t go anywhere.

“Nationman” said:
the “i hope he fails” mentality. Conservatives don’t care about the country they only want to cling to power.

And our guns and Bibles. ;)

Azarkhan said:
Indeed. A gain of 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats for Republicans. Sorry, but Americans are fed up with left wing extremism.

That’s been proven by their love of all the GOP candidates for President

T.Madders said:
Ha, Ha!! Ok, so let me get this right……the plan is to ‘NOT STAND BY YOUR BELIEFS/MORALS & OBLIGATIONS, in order to NOT HAVE HIM RE-ELECTED for another term?’ That sounds like something my 6yr old would say about the other ‘constantly-changing-friends’ on the playground!

Please tell me you didn’t actually reproduce….please.

J Baustian said:
It’s pretty hard to talk about passing a new bill, with new spending, until the existing level of spending is brought under control.

There are things government could do, like build or repair highways. But with the government already spending $1.5 trillion more than it brings in, legislation like a roads bill can’t go anywhere.

so they have no plan?

Nationman said:
i thought conservatives would love the stimulus bill, it’s chalk full of tax cuts.

$82.1 billion in real tax cuts, according to the CBO — out of a total $819 billion cost for the stimulus package.

Republicans might have voted for a bill that was all tax cuts, or even 50% tax cuts, or even 40%.

But not 10% in temporary tax credits and the rest was spending that mainly went to Democratic interest groups like the public employee unions.

Bill Huggins said:
Yup, the economy was all CANDY CANES and GUMDROPS when BUSH left office. YUP

THIS IS WHAT FOX ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL HAS SPOON FED THEIR AUDIENCE! THE WORLD IS SEEING JUST HOW MURDOCK RUNS HIS BUSINESSES !

Nationman said:
tis proof that republicans only crave power.

I thought it was proof that I liked “I Can’t Wait” by Nu Shooz. But if you want to take it to a galactic power mad level…kool!

Azarkhan said:
“Over 10 years, our estimate looks like it’s [the Obama plan] close to about $2.5 trillion, and reaches about $4 trillion over 12 years. Many of the savings come at the end of the standard 10 year window.”

That is what PBS says, but the key words are: “It’s [the Obama plan] probably right to say it’s more of a framework, compared to the Ryan plan.”

The difference? The Republicans actually produced a budget that reduces the deficit whereas Obama has only produced talking points–no budget.

it seems slightly less specific that’s about it.

Jaurez said:
Please tell me you didn’t actually reproduce….please.

keep going notsofast, you’re digging yourself into a great big hole.

Jaurez said:
Please tell me you didn’t actually reproduce….please.

I don’t know, I’d have to see a birthcertificate before i believed. Wouldn’t you jaurez?

Nationman said:
the “i hope he fails” mentality. Conservatives don’t care about the country they only want to cling to power.

Aren’t you confused ? If the president can raise the debt limit all by himself, isn’t the Great Obama Giveaway Economy free to go right along until 2012 ? Your guy is the one clinging to power. Like Mussolini did.

Nationman said:
keep going notsofast, you’re digging yourself into a great big hole.

Wait thought i was just4facts? Now, i’m notsofast? Seek help, soon!

Nationman said:
it seems slightly less specific that’s about it.

You do realize that Obama’s original budget was so ridiculous it was voted down 97-0 in the Senate. Not one Democrat supported it.

“Slightly less specific”? Show us Obama’s budget. Provide us with a link to his new revamped budget. BTW, here is the Republican budget, full of details:

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/

Nationman said:
the original stimulus package was signed by george bush….

That one was about $152 billion; nearly all of it was $600 tax rebates. It passed in February 2008 with only a few dozen “No” votes in the House — in other words, a veto-proof margin.

It was bad policy, but probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

Nationman said:
tarp was a separate bill…

Which said nothing about using TARP funds to bail out auto companies. It was supposed to prop up banks which could not lend because their assets were “toxic” or at least illiquid.

Azarkhan said:
You do realize that Obama’s original budget was so ridiculous it was voted down 97-0 in the Senate. Not one Democrat supported it.

“nationman” has wiped that from his short term memory.

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
And with about 80% of polls saying the rich should pay their fair share, and the recall elections in Wisconsin going well for democrats, it seems like Americans are now sick of right wing extremism as well. Hopefully we can find a middle ground now.

Fact: Once you give poll facts at percentages paid those same numbers change and turn to the opposite results that gives a better than two to one state that taxes are too high and to reduce debt must be with spending cuts alone without raising more debt!

Jaurez said:
Wait thought i was just4facts? Now, i’m notsofast? Seek help, soon!

Fact: I a lover not a devil! I need no help pleasing the ladies… I mean wife…..

Two words. Damage control. The Republicans are on the ropes for not allowing any new revenue stream as part of a package heavily weighed towards spending cuts to raise the debt ceiling. Only one in five Americans support raising the debt ceiling exclusively through spending cuts. Republicans are boxed into a dark corner at the moment.

Pablo said:
The House can’t do anything by itself, and yet Obama tells us things are getting better now. But where are the jobs? Where are the green jobs? Democrat Senate for 5 years now. Democrat President for 3 years. Democrat House for 4 of the last 5 years.

Note – Democrats took control of Congress in 2007. That is 4 years, not 5. Obama has been president for 2.5 years, not 3. And McConnell voted to raise the debt ceiling 10 times over the lest 10 years without comment. Which makes McConnell a big fat hypocrite, who will happily let everything go just to win the next election. He has said so repeatedly.

This does not make Obama any better with the economy or the Democrats any better with the budget, but the guy pointing the fingers the most is also the guy who has been there the longest and voted for every spending increase and debt limit increase including TARP. The Republicans spent plenty when they had both houses of Congress – unpaid for tax cuts, rebates and a Medicare prescription drug program, not to mention 2 wars with no actual funding source.

It was not until the Tea Party got active and scared the crap out of them that Republicans changed their tune. Until then, they were right there with Democrats on the spending train.

Both sides are guilty here and both sides have had a hand in making this mess. The president did send a budget to Congress. In fact he has done so twice now. It is the Congress that is at fault – all of them. All they care about is the next election. Listen to McConnell or Cantor. Listen to Reid and Pelosi. All about the next election.

We the People are now officially collateral damage in this endless Democrat-Republican War for the Next Election. It is no longer about public policy or the economy or jobs. It is about winning the next election. All the name calling and finger pointing only prolongs the mess and makes things worse.

I support neither I think the entire lot of them needs to go. Obama and the whole Congress. They have failed and failed miserably.

Jaurez said:
“nationman” has wiped that from his short term memory.

The vote was political theatre organized by McConnell. Obama had already made public his desire to increase spending cuts beyond his original budget. The budget was a non-starter and only saw vote to titillate those eager to confuse shadow with object.

BlueBunny said:
THINKIN YOU SHOULD READ MEDIAITE EVERYDAY! AHHA THE PAID ONES ARE RIGHT WINGERS! LOOK AT THE NAMES AND TIMES OF HOW OFTEN THESE PLAYERS ARE MAKING COMMENTS! THEN COME BACK AND POINT FINGERS AT PAID BLOG PEOPLE ! LOL REALLY FUNNY POST ,THANKS!

Ummm… using ALL CAPS won’t hide the fact that you’ve posted here with other pseudonyms.

(I don’t understand why anyone bothers to do that. Are you so ashamed of the ideas you are paid to post online, that you can’t use your real name?)

I do have a serious question for you, Blue Bunny or whatever name you are using today: is the Obama economy so bad that blogging for pay is the best job you can find? Does it pay well? Do you know or care where the money comes from, or what their true motives are?

J Baustian said:
Which said nothing about using TARP funds to bail out auto companies. It was supposed to prop up banks which could not lend because their assets were “toxic” or at least illiquid.

In fact it was favored Republican Hank Paulson that granted GMAC bank status on a Sunday in late 2008 so he could send TARP money to Detroit despite the House saying no. Gotta keep the facts straight folks.

This mess is bipartisan on its creation and will remain with us until the hyper partisans stop acting like little sore loser children.

“Greg” said:
The vote was political theatre organized by McConnell.

Wow, who knew McConnell had that much power. He “organized” a 97-0 vote?

The thing is the President (the one Boehner says has brought nothing to the table, but alas here’s something else brought to the table) has brought a deal to the table that is 83% favorable to Republicans and 17% favorable to Democrats. It’s a deal that would put entitlements on the table. It’s a deal that most people would look at 83% – 17% and think, That’s the political deals of the ages! And they turned it down. Why? Well, so that this President doesn’t get re-elected in 2012. That’s their only reason. Seems that the revenue increases are relatively light compared to the spending cuts that will hurt a majority of Americans (including government workers who will be top priority to be cut when the spending cuts occur, but they can get all those yummy jobs that those job creators are supposed to be creating). I think this is the glaring error with ideology. Right now, the Republicans have created a situation where they can’t compromise on anything. Even something that tilts so heavily in their favor. They built up Obama to be the villain and now, well, they can’t make a deal with him because their base would think they are caving. They aren’t caving, they are compromising which is one of the fundamentals of politics.

Jaurez said:
Wow, who knew McConnell had that much power. He “organized” a 97-0 vote?

“Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) demanded a vote on Obama’s budget to show that Democrats don’t support any detailed budget blueprint.”

“No Democratic senator was willing to support it, however, after Obama discussed a more ambitious plan at George Washington University to save $4 trillion over 12 years. Republicans criticized his speech for lacking detail.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163347-senate-votes-unanimously-against-obama-budget

Ed Durffee said:
What has Obama’s plan saved, actually, what the hell is Obama’s plan. He has none, all he does is run his mouth about how bad it is but never has a plan other than to get taxing the job creators as quick as he can. 5th graders know, there has never been a job created by a bum. No one on welfare has hired a single solid worker. This country needs more Tax Payers,,,,,NOT increased tax rates. You get tax payers by putting them to work, create jobs. You tax the job makers more and they will begin to lay off workers not hire more of them. Obama needs to return to the 5th Grade and get his act together, and sorry thats way too late now. Obama and his gang has in 2.5 years nearly destroyed America, and the Liberal party is out to insure no Conservative gets to the Oval Office to get it fixed. That folks is what defines Stupidity.

Hmmm, it seems your lack of punctuation and use of run on sentences define stupidity. If Obama needs to go to 5th grade; you’re going back to 1st?

Keeva said:
In fact it was favored Republican Hank Paulson that granted GMAC bank status on a Sunday in late 2008 so he could send TARP money to Detroit despite the House saying no. Gotta keep the facts straight folks.

This mess is bipartisan on its creation and will remain with us until the hyper partisans stop acting like little sore loser children.

GMAC was a lender, not just of car loans but also mortgages — General Motors was an auto manufacturer. Did TARP include manufacturers? I don’t remember that it did.

As for Hank Paulson, beginning in September 2008 he was already involved in transition to the new administration, which was obviously going to be the Obama administration. He was trying to give his successor the best possible situation, which no matter what he did was going to be pretty bad. TARP passed despite opposition mostly from Republicans.

As for hyper-partisanship … Mr Obama has been doing more harm than good since even before he was sworn in! I see nothing wrong with illustrating each and every one of his mistakes.

Dildo Buggins said:
Hmmm, it seems your lack of punctuation and use of run on sentences define stupidity. If Obama needs to go to 5th grade; you’re going back to 1st?

Nice rebuttal,,,wait, you hadn’t one.

WillP said:
Only one in five Americans support raising the debt ceiling exclusively through spending cuts.

4 out of 5 want someone else to pay for it, that’s about right.

Jaurez said:
“Greg” said:
The vote was political theatre organized by McConnell.

Wow, who knew McConnell had that much power. He “organized” a 97-0 vote?

Yes, everyone knows that the Minority Leader is the only one with real power in the Senate.

Actually, all the credit should go to the Minority Whip, for getting all those Democrats to vote against the president’s budget. That would be Jon Kyl of Arizona — good job, Jon!

Keeva said:
It was not until the Tea Party got active and scared the crap out of them that Republicans changed their tune. Until then, they were right there with Democrats on the spending train.

We the People are now officially collateral damage in this endless Democrat-Republican War for the Next Election. It is no longer about public policy or the economy or jobs. It is about winning the next election. All the name calling and finger pointing only prolongs the mess and makes things worse.

I support neither I think the entire lot of them needs to go. Obama and the whole Congress. They have failed and failed miserably.

Well said…

It looks like the TinMan may not ever find his heart,,,,,he already sold his soul to to the Tea Party.

He really is a galloot. I don’t get it,,, does anyone think in Kentucky and Richmond and Cinncinnatti where unemployment is so high,,,,,,, they care if a Hedge Fund Manager (let me know the last time he created a job) pays more than 15% in Capital gains Tax???

And they wonder why people stop voting

J Baustian said:
As for hyper-partisanship … Mr Obama has been doing more harm than good since even before he was sworn in! I see nothing wrong with illustrating each and every one of his mistakes.

Point them all out. He has certainly made enough. More harm than good? That is a political judgement. Some would say the opposite. Me, I just want to know when the games stop. From both sides.

J Baustian said:
GMAC was a lender, not just of car loans but also mortgages — General Motors was an auto manufacturer. Did TARP include manufacturers? I don’t remember that it did.

TARP did not, but was limited to actual banks, which GMAC was not until a Sunday afternoon when Paulson and Bernanke made them one so they could get the money. GMAC is now Ally Bank.

J Baustian said:
As for Hank Paulson, beginning in September 2008 he was already involved in transition to the new administration, which was obviously going to be the Obama administration. He was trying to give his successor the best possible situation, which no matter what he did was going to be pretty bad. TARP passed despite opposition mostly from Republicans.

Nice try, but no cigar. In the the same way that you cannot blame the past administration, you cannot blame the future administration either. Especially since in September 2008 there was no future administration since there had not been an election yet. Paulson was at Treasury when this happened. Period. That was a really weak attempt to somehow make Paulson part of the Obama administration.

It is true that TARP passed with mainly GOP opposition, but not McConnell. He voted for it and pushed for its passage publicly. As did the GOP leadership in both houses. As did candidates McCain and Palin.

Both sides made the mess and both sides need to act like adults and clean it up. It is this endless finger pointing that sustains the mess we are in and will keep sustaining the mess.

Greg said:
The vote was political theatre organized by McConnell.

You have said that before. But that still doesn’t explain why no Democrat voted for it. Unless you think that Mitch McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader and not Harry Reid.

Greg said:
“Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) demanded a vote on Obama’s budget to show that Democrats don’t support any detailed budget blueprint.”

“No Democratic senator was willing to support it, however, after Obama discussed a more ambitious plan at George Washington University to save $4 trillion over 12 years. Republicans criticized his speech for lacking detail.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163347-senate-votes-unanimously-against-obama-budget

Sorry, I didn’t see this post. BTW, I guess the criticism of “lacking detail” still holds.

Azarkhan said:
BTW, I guess the criticism of “lacking detail” still holds.

Yes it does, on both sides. They always avoid details so they can avoid responsibility.

Azarkhan said:
You have said that before. But that still doesn’t explain why no Democrat voted for it. Unless you think that Mitch McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader and not Harry Reid.

I did… Read the article from The Hill…if you find that uncomfortable, then read the following article from conservative Guy Benson over at Town Hall.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/04/29/smooth_mcconnell_exploits_reids_budget_vote_theatrics

Again, the President had already advocated more aggressive cuts and so the budget was a non-starter… The vote was forced by McConnell despite being obsolete.

Keeva said:
Yes it does, on both sides. They always avoid details so they can avoid responsibility.

Plenty of details here:

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/

While all of this debate is nice, none of it takes away from the simple fact that the Minority Leader of the United States Senate is willing to hold all legislation hostage – and therefore any real recovery – for the purpose of winning the next election.

Am I the only one who finds this to be a disgusting violation of his oath of office?

Yes, they are all playing this game, but McConnell is supposed to be in the leadership not the recess sandbox.

Congress is obviously no longer a functional legislature. It is now a room full of squabbling sore loser little children with less sense than a headless chicken.

Azarkhan said:
Plenty of details here:

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/

The White House also provided details. Including on the proposed cuts. The problem is the same as always – partisan myopia. Each side only sees what they ant to see.

It is Ryan’s job to provide details. Without the flashy videos and stuff. Plus, if you really look, there are only some details. A lot of it is rounded figures and estimates. Which would be the opposite of details. Also, the minute he was criticized, he started whining about nasty rhetoric. Another child in the sandbox.

Wonder how much that website and videos cost us? Anybody ever ask?

Again, both sides have failed. They no longer negotiate or attempt to find compromise. It is all about the yelling and finger pointing.

Azarkhan said:
Plenty of details here:

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/

To be fair, it is way more detailed than anything either side has presented in along, long time. I have to give Ryan credit for that.

To be cynical, let’s see if he presents that much detail on the final proposal after his 533 thieving, lying colleagues get their 30 pieces of silver into it.

Keeva said:
While all of this debate is nice, none of it takes away from the simple fact that the Minority Leader of the United States Senate is willing to hold all legislation hostage – and therefore any real recovery – for the purpose of winning the next election>

Agree 100. His proposal is craven and gutless. A profile in cowardice.

Azarkhan said:
Honestly, if someone needs to see the results of Democratic misrule, just look at California, where Democrats have been in control of the state legislature for over 40 years. Talk about your classic “failed state”.

Heh… and wth republican control of the executive branch for the last 8 years. He terminated them, all right.

That’s supposed to be part of your argument to get republican control of the presidency?

Jaurez says:

July 13, 2011 at 2:11 pm (Quote)

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T.Madders said:
Ha, Ha!! Ok, so let me get this right……the plan is to ‘NOT STAND BY YOUR BELIEFS/MORALS & OBLIGATIONS, in order to NOT HAVE HIM RE-ELECTED for another term?’ That sounds like something my 6yr old would say about the other ‘constantly-changing-friends’ on the playground!

Please tell me you didn’t actually reproduce….please

Sure did…..sorry that you’re unable to ‘reproduce’…you may need to see a doctor about that problem, that is, is you have medical insurance;-)!

Well, folks, I have to go do actual work so I can earn actual money, so the government can take a huge chunk of it to waste on Congressional salaries.

Work – the thing Congress never does.

This guy is just in way over his head. He needs to just turtle, and hope the hits stop coming.

Darr247 said:
republican control of the executive branch for the last 8 years

But despite intermittent Republican control, Democrats have dominated Congress for the last 50 years. In fact until the Republicans took the House in 1994, Democrats controlled the House for 40 straight years.

Mitch McConnell’s plan is neither good for the country nor for the Repugnant Party. It gives our corrupt president too much power to screw all of us. We should consider the plan suggested by Dick Morris discussed with Sean Hannity on Fox News. It only gives Obama the option to approve or disapprove kicking the can down the proverbial road on a month-by-month basis. Let Obama disapprove that plan and face the wrath of the people.

Bob Uda said:
Mitch McConnell’s plan is neither good for the country nor for the Repugnant Party. It gives our corrupt president too much power to screw all of us. We should consider the plan suggested by Dick Morris discussed with Sean Hannity on Fox News. It only gives Obama the option to approve or disapprove kicking the can down the proverbial road on a month-by-month basis. Let Obama disapprove that plan and face the wrath of the people.

Your willingness to pursue fiscal policy that instigates wrath is noble… Perhaps you can convert educational policy into hatred and agricultural policy into sickness.

Azarkhan said:
But despite intermittent Republican control, Democrats have dominated Congress for the last 50 years. In fact until the Republicans took the House in 1994, Democrats controlled the House for 40 straight years.

he’s talking about california…

Morons in the ugly bastard’ state might buy his BS but obviously President Obama has boxed them in-
McConnell and Boehner-by offering more than they thought they could get- now they’re exposed as liars.
Both of them are stupid to think the could outsmart a Harvard grad with their GED’s.

Jaurez said:
Wait thought i was just4facts? Now, i’m notsofast? Seek help, soon!

the great thing about having multiple accounts is that multiple can be more than two.

Keeva said:
To be fair, it is way more detailed than anything either side has presented in along, long time. I have to give Ryan credit for that. To be cynical, let’s see if he presents that much detail on the final proposal after his 533 thieving, lying colleagues get their 30 pieces of silver into it.

I bet mitch “earmark” mcconnell will.

Nationman said:
he’s talking about california…

No, I’m talking about the US Congress. But if you want California:

Except for the period from 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970 election (even while the governor’s office has gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continuously since 1970.

Bob Uda said:
Mitch McConnell’s plan is neither good for the country nor for the Repugnant Party. It gives our corrupt president too much power to screw all of us. We should consider the plan suggested by Dick Morris discussed with Sean Hannity on Fox News. It only gives Obama the option to approve or disapprove kicking the can down the proverbial road on a month-by-month basis. Let Obama disapprove that plan and face the wrath of the people.

More evidence that Cloward and Piven style disruption to gain extra- institutional transformation is an active policy of the right… The adoption of this mindset is astonishing considering the baseless accusations of the same for the last 2 years.

Azarkhan said:
No, I’m talking about the US Congress. But if you want California: Except for the period from 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970 election (even while the governor’s office has gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continuously since 1970.

the guy you were debating was talking about california was my point. but thanks for that long lecture about nothing.

Keeva said:
While all of this debate is nice, none of it takes away from the simple fact that the Minority Leader of the United States Senate is willing to hold all legislation hostage – and therefore any real recovery – for the purpose of winning the next election. Am I the only one who finds this to be a disgusting violation of his oath of office? Yes, they are all playing this game, but McConnell is supposed to be in the leadership not the recess sandbox. Congress is obviously no longer a functional legislature. It is now a room full of squabbling sore loser little children with less sense than a headless chicken.

Just what I have been saying all along. The Republicans don’t care about the regular people they only care about themselves, their next election and the wealthy contributors and corporations that have bought them off with campaign contributions and perks. This phony “solution” will do no one any good and I hope the electorate remembers McConnell and company in 2012.

Obamo is the arsonist firefighter who rushes to the fire he set, screaming, “I’ll put it out! Let me! Let me!”

ChrisNH said:
Obamo is the arsonist firefighter who rushes to the fire he set, screaming, “I’ll put it out! Let me! Let me!”

except the fire in question happened under a conservative president….

TrollJuice said:
Figures, republicans still in denial of any part of the financial collapse that caused this “bad” economy.

You are deaf and blind to the FACT that Pelosi and Reid ruled the roost since 2007, with Chrissy Dodd and Barnyard Fwank. These four controlled what did and didn’t happen in government. It’s all their fault; mash up some peas and force them down their throats.

Nationman said:
except the fire in question happened under a conservative president….

Who was held hostage by the Socialistic, big-spending whims of Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, and Fwank.

Selective memory of Dim Libs; no wonder your mascot is a Jackass and your president is a Dick.

Greg said:
Guy Benson

Guy Benson is a blowhard.. from the rino Hugh Hewitt mold

MadCharles said:
Guy Benson is a blowhard.. from the rino Hugh Hewitt mold

I enjoy your expression of right wing division.

Greg said:
I enjoy your expression of right wing division.

These back bencher radio hosts are no better than a lib

MadCharles said:
These back bencher radio hosts are no better than a lib

In your opinion, Medved or Weiner (Savage)? Interested in whom you prefer and why… If you don’t mind.

Shorter McConnell: “No I’m not. You are.”

He then takes his ball and goes home.

The end.

Move on Mconnell.
We need Warriors, not Wimps!

Yep. Thats why you were elected…to sit on your hands, stomp your feet, and take your ball and run home when you dont get your way. Do you really think you are there to serve the country and its people? Ha!

I dont understand why everyone is saying bad things about Mitch Maconnell and the Republicans in congress because they are doing all everything that they can to stop 0-bow-ma Hussein’s plan to ruin our economy since any fool knows that raising taxes on the so-called rich will do nothing but kill jobs and ruin our economy just like his 0-bow-macare program will do unless we REPEAL it. Why does the democrat party hate successful people so much in our country? It is probably because they are all deadbeat freeloaders who would sooner take money away from the people who rightfully earned it then earn it for themselves and there policies are a complete reflection of that thank you.

SuburbanPatriot said:
I dont understand why everyone is saying bad things about Mitch Maconnell and the Republicans in congress because they are doing all everything that they can to stop 0-bow-ma Hussein’s plan to ruin our economy since any fool knows that raising taxes on the so-called rich will do nothing but kill jobs and ruin our economy just like his 0-bow-macare program will do unless we REPEAL it. Why does the democrat party hate successful people so much in our country? It is probably because they are all deadbeat freeloaders who would sooner take money away from the people who rightfully earned it then earn it for themselves and there policies are a complete reflection of that thank you.

“Any fool knows”, huh? Then how come SO MANY JOBS went down the toilet due to the “rich folks’ tax cuts”?

Bill Huggins said:
“Any fool knows”, huh? Then how come SO MANY JOBS went down the toilet due to the “rich folks’ tax cuts”?

Where is your proof that this has happened because this is this is what the prog libs like you always do also – you make outlandish statements without any facts to back them up. It is a fact that the less corporations and other job creaters are taxed, the more jobs they provide to Americans. Why do you think the Republicans fight so hard to keep them from being unfairly taxed because the prog libs hate success and want to tear down those who have worked hard for5 there money. Thank you.

Bill Huggins said:
“Any fool knows”, huh? Then how come SO MANY JOBS went down the toilet due to the “rich folks’ tax cuts”?

You don’t know what you are talking about.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/who-caused-the-economic-crisis/

In a nutshell, keynesian economics is the problem.

Keeva said:
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J Baustian said:
As for hyper-partisanship … Mr Obama has been doing more harm than good since even before he was sworn in! I see nothing wrong with illustrating each and every one of his mistakes.
.
Point them all out. He has certainly made enough. More harm than good? That is a political judgement

Obama promised higher taxes, cap and trade, higher energy costs, higher medical costs for businesses, Card Check and other pro-union legislation or bureaucratic mandates, greatly increased federal spending… there was more, of course, but given all these campaign promises and given the McCain campaign’s total collapse, there were good reasons for a worsening business climate, even without the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy and the banking crisis.

Keeva said:
The White House also provided details. Including on the proposed cuts. The problem is the same as always – partisan myopia. Each side only sees what they ant to see.

It is Ryan’s job to provide details. Without the flashy videos and stuff. Plus, if you really look, there are only some details. A lot of it is rounded figures and estimates. Which would be the opposite of details. Also, the minute he was criticized, he started whining about nasty rhetoric. Another child in the sandbox.

The CBO was able to evaluate the Ryan plan. It was unable to evaluate the president’s speech, because of a lack of detail.

MTinMO said:
Just what I have been saying all along. The Republicans don’t care about the regular people they only care about themselves, their next election and the wealthy contributors and corporations that have bought them off with campaign contributions and perks.

One could easily say the exact same thing of the Democrats. This is the problem with the existing tired, corrupt 2 party system. It is all about the next election. We the people are simply collateral damage.

J Baustian said:
The CBO was able to evaluate the Ryan plan. It was unable to evaluate the president’s speech, because of a lack of detail.

That is absolutely correct and the CBO should never evaluate anything based on a speech. Ever.

Ryan’s plan is the only one that matters since Article I on the Constitution makes the budget, taxes and spending the province of the House of Representatives. All money legislation must originate in the House. And since House rules delgate that to Ryan’s committee, and he has sent one to the floor and it has passed, it is currently the only plan out there. Agree with him or not, at least Ryan actually performed his Constitutional duty and did so publicly. Unlike McConnell, Reid, Boehner, Pelosi and Obama who are conducting themselves as if they are potentates, wheeling and dealing in secret negotiations. The kind of back room stuff both parties have endlessly promised to get rid of.

As I understand it, a detailed $4 trillion in cuts was presented by Obama in the current talks and rejected out of hand without a proper CBO review for partisan hackery reasons.

Mitch McConnell is an embarrassment to the entire Commonwealth of Kentucky. As for who owns this economy, it’s the Republicans who delivered this mess, it’s the Republicans who added $6.5 trillion to the national debt, it’s the Republicans who brought about the greatest decline in revenue since the first Great Depression and it’s the Republicans who’ve created an economic climate of doom so as to further their political aims. Make no mistake – this Depression is a Republican Depression.

SuburbanPatriot said:
Where is your proof that this has happened because this is this is what the prog libs like you always do also – you make outlandish statements without any facts to back them up. It is a fact that the less corporations and other job creaters are taxed, the more jobs they provide to Americans. Why do you think the Republicans fight so hard to keep them from being unfairly taxed because the prog libs hate success and want to tear down those who have worked hard for5 there money. Thank you.

Better question – if the tax cuts were so good, then how come none of the touted benefits were ever realized? Instead of greater revenue and less unemployment the opposite has occurred (and don’t waste my time with tax revenue numbers from 2006 that were the result of the housing bubble).

Hate to break it to you Mitch….but you guys already own it.

Bush tax cuts already have us at the lowest tax burden in decades and what do we have to show for it??

lol someone wake Mitch up.. He must have been sleeping the last 10 years

Bill Adkins said:
Mitch McConnell is an embarrassment to the entire Commonwealth of Kentucky. As for who owns this economy, it’s the Republicans who delivered this mess, it’s the Republicans who added $6.5 trillion to the national debt, it’s the Republicans who brought about the greatest decline in revenue since the first Great Depression and it’s the Republicans who’ve created an economic climate of doom so as to further their political aims. Make no mistake – this Depression is a Republican Depression.

It was a Republican Recession, but now that Obama has had over 2 years, it is one of the few actual bi-partisan accomplishments in the last decade – an extended recession. Both sides have had a large hand in this, despite both sides denying responsibility and blaming the other.

This entire economic mess continues because it is all about the next election and once that one is gone, the next one. Don’t believe me. Listen to the Congressional “leadership.” All they talk about is party and election. Wonder why nothing ever gets done.

We need a new generation of leaders whose primary interest is to take care of the country and its citizens! Many Americans are tired of the political infighting and the lack of true bi-partisan problem solving that we desperately need. Let’s get someone who will negotiate honestly, someone who won’t make demands for drastic cuts and then decide it’s too much and we might not get votes because of it and who won’t spill false tears. Let’s get leaders who will prioritize spending for the greater need and not worry about a home state festival. We have become so divisive that a lot of work gets done in the end and nothing absolutely nothing gets accomplished. They spend their time preserving their jobs duping the public that they honestly are working for the better. Pandering to the special interest will get us nowhere! McConnell best emphasizes the misdirection for both parties, animosity for the party in power and all out effort to discredit whenever possible, no effort to come to true compromise. I would expect his number one priority would be to fix the problems of the country and make things better for the greater majority. What happened to job creation, fixing the housing situation, fixing our crumbling infrastructure, and ultimately the greatest need getting us out of debt without airing their infighting in the media? The demands of the public should be just that fix the problems stop the stupidity and self interest attitudes. Perhaps limited terms for politicians might get them to act more responsibly!

Mitch aka Mr blister you are not the solution you are the problem.

Rockycomet said:
We need a new generation of leaders whose primary interest is to take care of the country and its citizens! Many Americans are tired of the political infighting and the lack of true bi-partisan problem solving that we desperately need. Let’s get someone who will negotiate honestly, someone who won’t make demands for drastic cuts and then decide it’s too much and we might not get votes because of it and who won’t spill false tears. Let’s get leaders who will prioritize spending for the greater need and not worry about a home state festival. We have become so divisive that a lot of work gets done in the end and nothing absolutely nothing gets accomplished. They spend their time preserving their jobs duping the public that they honestly are working for the better. Pandering to the special interest will get us nowhere! McConnell best emphasizes the misdirection for both parties, animosity for the party in power and all out effort to discredit whenever possible, no effort to come to true compromise. I would expect his number one priority would be to fix the problems of the country and make things better for the greater majority. What happened to job creation, fixing the housing situation, fixing our crumbling infrastructure, and ultimately the greatest need getting us out of debt without airing their infighting in the media? The demands of the public should be just that fix the problems stop the stupidity and self interest attitudes. Perhaps limited terms for politicians might get them to act more responsibly!

Spot on!

Just as I don’t get Coulter going for Christie…I’m not getting her agreeing with this RINO

Rockycomet said:
Let’s get someone who will negotiate honestly, someone who won’t make demands for drastic cuts and then decide it’s too much and we might not get votes because of it and who won’t spill false tears

Great idea, but we can’t even get a bunch of average Americans as proven by the comments on this forum to agree. So how do you an get an elected politician who may go to Washington with all the best of intentions, but gets corrupted by the good life. I do think there are some good congressmen in Washington, but they are the minority. Bush raised the debt ceiling 6 times and now when a Democrat wants to increase it we have the GOP yelling foul or at least the Tea partiers. Where were the Tea Partiers 8 years ago?????

Bill Huggins:
“Any fool knows”, huh? Then how come SO MANY JOBS went down the toilet due to the “rich folks’ tax cuts”?

Just exactly, how does that work???

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Truth said:
Great idea, but we can’t even get a bunch of average Americans as proven by the comments on this forum to agree.

I think we have far better chance with the folks on this forum than with the sold out hacks in Congress.

SpringingLeaks said:
“Truth” says that I need therapy. Did you just register that to try and discredit me? Keep worshiping your messiah there “Truth.”

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he’s probably just an illumati member out to get you. Carry on with your schizophrenic ranting.

SpingingLeaks you have the right to free speech no matter how far out there you chose to go. Right now if you look to your left you can probably see Jupiter and a few of its moons. What new name will you be using next?

Truth said:
Where were the Tea Partiers 8 years ago?????

They were in power at the time so all was peachy keen, and now they are not so everything is the POTUS’ and Dem/libs fault because they are marginally in charge. McConnell and his kind true to their form will heap on them all that was done negatively in the past and position themselves so nothing positive will be done now.
Harry Truman- A bureaucrat is a Democrat who holds some office that a Republican wants.”

Truth said:
Great idea, but we can’t even get a bunch of average Americans as proven by the comments on this forum to agree. So how do you an get an elected politician who may go to Washington with all the best of intentions, but gets corrupted by the good life. I do think there are some good congressmen in Washington, but they are the minority. Bush raised the debt ceiling 6 times and now when a Democrat wants to increase it we have the GOP yelling foul or at least the Tea partiers

Agreed unfortunately there requires a significant catastrophe like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 to motivate true bi-partisan agreement. Needless to say that the Dems weren’t able to set limits on the behavior of the ruling party at the time. Remember if you didn’t go along you were tagged as unpatriotic, so the debt ceiling kept going up. The other option is to have the masses motivate themselves against Gov’t behavior such as the actions taken during the Vietnam War due to the draft.
I lost my job under GWB, just saying, so I know that the fault lies with both parties for allowing the USA to be derailed during the 8yrs of Rep rule and the inability of Dem controlling that spending. This now continues with both parties unable to put their skills together to solve the problems at hand (i.e. national debt). The POTUS does not create law but only recommends, it is up to Congress to create law and get it right, They are and have been ineffective for some time and prospects don’t look good right now. I strongly believe that Congress should have term limits so they will perhaps be more effective and truly be citizen representatives without having to pander to special interests and the media.

Republicans started this debt, Democrats doubled the debt and both would now rather worry about elections and point fingers on who owns the debt. The American people OWN the debt and are sick and tired of politics. If your to stupid to vote EVERY incumbent out because you ‘think” your guy has great values think again, and get people in there that can do the job and work together for the PEOPLE, or you are just as responsible in creating more debt. The power of the vote is the PEOPLE..use it in 2012, actually look back at you reps voting record and wakeup already. enough of this politic bullshit.

It’s time for that third party of honest working men and women.
It’s time for those that do not just vote because of partylines but for the PEOPLE using common sense.
Think of people backing our country not others. Think of people backing workers and constitution.
Think Ron Paul and think of your country, before you have no country. to hell with Politics and greed.
to hell with partylines and their 350.00 bottles of wine. to hell with different rules for political elites.
to hell with the FED and the IRS and over reaching government managing our private lives!
Ron Paul… let’s get it done come 2012!!

Once elected and sworn in, every representative and senator owns the “owns” the problems that exist. It does not matter who is responsible for getting the economy where it is or that a particular politician was not in office when things went bad. What matters is that you wanted the job and now you “own” the problems.

Senator McConnell, do your job in the interests of your country. That is where ALL of your duties and loyalties lie!

I will say that to all politicians, no matter what their party or ideology.

SpringingLeaks says:
“If I was making this stuff up the secret service and the FBI would arrest me.”

Doesn’t it make more sense to say that if it were the truth you would be arrested for spilling it?

I wrote on this earlier, but it disappeared with the switch to DISQUS so here it is again:

McConnell cannot disavow ownership of the current economy for himself or the Republican party. ANY politician who is in office NOW owns the problems we have now. They all are elected to fix problems, not to deny ownership of them. Yes, Democrats do own the problem too, but to say any national problem belongs to only one party or one president is the most self-serving thing another politician can say.
To make it short, if McConnell refuses to “own” a problem, why should anyone vote for him? 

You are kidding aren’t you ?

That is a plan ???

All the GOP thinks about is not raising the taxes on those that don’t pay their fair share and cutting anything to help those less fortunate. Rich for the rich, poor getting poorer so by all means support the GOP, but only if your are independently rich or inherit  your riches.

O 

All the GOP thinks about is not raising the taxes on those that don’t pay their fair share and cutting anything to help those less fortunate. Rich for the rich, poor getting poorer so by all means support the GOP, but only if your are independently rich or inherit  your riches.

O 

Yes….changes ….no middleman, just rich an poor.  Does that make you  happy ?