This Exists: Fox and Friends Debate Minnesota’s Banning Of “Ladies Night” Bar Promotion

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by Colby Hall | 1:46 pm, July 27th, 2010

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The Minnesota State department of Human Rights has decided to ban “Ladies Night” — the bar promotion that provides free or discounted drinks for female bar patrons — because it is, in their purview, gender discrimination. Should a private business be allowed to offer discounts to attract a certain clientele? This was was the remarkably absurd (and “fair and balanced”) debate between Fox New’s legal analyst Lis Wiehl and self-proclaimed “anti-feminist” Marc Rudov. If the story couldn’t be weirder, check the sudden and severe vitriol that evolves between the two panelists.

Somehow the discussion – which is led by host Gretchen Carlson – starts on the subject of free and/or discounted drinks for women, quickly goes to the perils of insurance companies covering Viagra over birth-control, and the stunningly leads to the very odd accusation made by Rudov that dating is akin to prostitution?

Watch the clip for yourself (a rough transcript follows the video below.)

Wiehl: The human rights board of Minnesota is wasting their time on ladies night? Why don’t they go and check out hairdressers that charge women three times as much to get their haircut or dry cleaners that charge women twice and three times as much for blouses as they do a man for a shirt. Come on the insurance companies pay for Viagra but not birth control and yet we’re still only being paid $0.77 on the dollar. if we get a little bit of a luxury of a night, the girls night out where we don’t spend quite as much, come on!

Carlson: how do you argue with those points?

Rudov: Well, you can’t argue with those points because they’re totally fallacious so let’s stick with the facts. Minnesota has declared ladies nights a violation of human rights. But because they’re violating men, they’re not going to really enforce it unless men complain. This is the same state that allows convicted convicts to illegally vote for Al Franken. The fact of the matter is ladies night is just another female entitlement and women aren’t going to show up at the bar unless they get free drinks.

Carlson: let me ask you this. let’s say –

Rudov: The state doesn’t care about enforcing the laws.

Carlson: let’s say — yes, they do. come on. the state — let’s say that the — i go to ladies night and get a lot of women who come to the bar, do men like that or do they not?

Rudov: Well, what you’re just doing is reinforcing the point that I’ve always made is that dating is legal prostitution. if women aren’t going to show up unless they’re bought and paid for, that’s prostitution.

first of all, get a life. ok? come on. this is ridiculous. if the free drink so much, put a wig on and go to the bar, all right? Gretchen is absolutely right. bar owners do it for a very smart reason witch is that more women at leads night — girls going out with girls having a good time together. not to catch men. guys will like going in there and buying the ladies –

Rudov: you’re making my point.

Carlson: ou’re saying it’s prostitution go out on ladies night.

Rudov: Why don’t have Episcopalian night, too? they also have free drinks and –

Wiehl: They probably do!

Fox and Friends, Gretchen Carlson, Lis Wiehl, Marc Rudov

Bootleghaircut

What is an anti-feminist? A pure sexist perhaps?
http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Kaib/1091662620 Josh Kaib

Lis Wiehl and Mark Rudov used to appear on “Your World” alot, having debates not dissimilar to this one.
Bootleghaircut

one more thing-

when Lis tells this moron that if he wants a free drink on ladies night he
should put on a wig and a dress and call himself margret I lost it!!!!!!!!!

Best Fox Blonde Award: Lis Weilh.

Why is she not on more???????? I remember when BIll O’Reilly had her
as his sidekick on his now defunct radio show-she was a voice of reason,
quick witted and oh so brainy.

The fact that she does not have her own show while rick Sanchez runs
amok tells you all you need to know about cable tv in general.
http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

I bet that guy has a few wigs .
BatBoy

Granted this was an off the wall segment!
The Real Royal King

I actually saw this segment, but I thought it no less off than wall than the Gretch talking about how US HCR is just like the British system (to which it bears no semblance, the British system actually employing the health care providers), the British system being scrapped (which it is not; it is giving decisions regarding staffing levels at surgeries and hospitals to local councils). Best yet: Speaking of salaries being paid to Bell County, California officials, admittedly outrageous, the Gretch’s proof of the disparity from average being “Life” cards used in the board game. I don’t know if she is stupid, creative or just an outright liar. But, she is funny. Some of the best comedy on television.

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.
The Real Royal King

the instead of “than”

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.
lazzzlo

From a different approach/perspective…the bar owner made tons of money because once the ladies got liquored up with male strippers…the guys were willing to pay all sorts of money to hang out with “horny women” later on.

You tell men that they can’t enter their “joint” right now and when they are allowed in later…they have to pay extra…That is good bar business.

Get lots of security…other than that…I have seen it all.

That’s just good business…there is no gender discrimination.

Horny chicks and horny guys…all willing to pay money to hook up. Not necessarily with each other versus their fantasy.

Honestly, one of the reasons I got out of the restaurant business. That is a serious profit though.
lazzzlo

Bootleghaircut said:
What is an anti-feminist?

That is a very good question. These days, I honestly haven’t the faintest idea.
lazzzlo

Some things are just logical?

Minnesota has declared ladies nights a violation of human rights. But because they’re violating men, they’re not going to really enforce it unless men complain.

Hehehe, the rules are slightly different.

However, when I was working the bar…”those women” scared me!
The_Reasonable_Lib

This is just stupid.Not the Fox & Friends thing. The Ladies Night being discrimination thing. I’ll bet this was a conservative idea.
lazzzlo

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
This is just stupid.Not the Fox & Friends thing. The Ladies Night being discrimination thing. I’ll bet this was a conservative idea.

Of course it is stupid. Consider the source.
lazzzlo

It came from “The Minnesota State Department of Human Rights”.

At some point, you just have to chuckle.
Permatiltx

So, let me get this straight. The women are for it, they get cheap drinks. The men are for it because it gets women to come to the bar. (blank stare) So why is this an issue again?

And did he say dating is legal prostitution? I’m curious if he’s married and how exactly did he meet his wife. Of course, he could be gay, then, well, same question only change wife with partner.

Maybe someone just needs to buy him a drink.
lazzzlo

Wait… @ 10 pm. guys get in free or get access for a price..odd business model.

Define the women in their private club during the hours when no Men were allowed?
lazzzlo

Permatiltx said:
So, let me get this straight. The women are for it, they get cheap drinks. The men are for it because it gets women to come to the bar. (blank stare) So why is this an issue again?

Absolutely!
lazzzlo

Lot’s of fights happened and I got tired of that….but yeah…freedom of choice.
lazzzlo

But also. we provided a safe environment.
lazzzlo

I hope I heard that correctly…”Call yourself Margie and go to the bar”.

Over the years, I have met so many nice women who don’t want to be lumped into a category.

My attitude was always make money.

Get a grip..people are sexual.

Always remember that people make mistakes in the public forum.

Seriously, have some sense o f decorum.
dowdaytrader

Marc destroyed Lis and Gretchen…as usual….this debate is kinda funny cuz the “liberal anti-choice rules” are anti-woman for a change….usually they are anti-Christian, anti-Anglo, anti-upper income…

Actually, government HAS NO BUSINESS in this situation…it’s called FREEDOM and CAPITALISM…if people want to do it and no one gets hurt, LEAVE US ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Permatiltx

dowdaytrader said:
Marc destroyed Lis and Gretchen…as usual….this debate is kinda funny cuz the “liberal anti-choice rules” are anti-woman for a change….usually they are anti-Christian, anti-Anglo, anti-upper income…

Um, what? Isn’t Marc for the law?
shootfromthehip

I sooner have acid poured on my eyeballs while being waterboarded with Coors Light than watch an entire 3 hours of “Fox&Friends.”
Averreauxii

Marc Rudov – Conservative Republican. Nuff said.
Munch

shootfromthehip said:
I sooner have acid poured on my eyeballs while being waterboarded with Coors Light than watch an entire 3 hours of “Fox&Friends.”

I’m sure that could be arranged.
http://SailRabbits.com Magister

Fun clip and I enjoyed it so much when I first loaded the post earlier, I decided to wait with my wet blanket comment until most folks could enjoy the fun.

Copying and pasting from Colby’s transcript;

Rudov: “Minnesota has declared ladies nights a violation of human rights. But because they’re violating men, they’re not going to really enforce it unless men complain…”

Rudov: “The state doesn’t care about enforcing the laws.”

Carlson: “let’s say — yes, they do. come on.”

Rudov has a point because that’s basically the position of the state and to underline the point, the man who filed the complaint against five bars hadn’t been to them, he lives in Utah and he’s filed similar complaints against bars in several states over the past two decades.

Basically this time around, someone sent him an article about Ladies’ Nights at dozens of Twin City bars; he called five at random, asked if he could get a discount and then filed his complaint. The only other time the anti-discrimination charges have been used regarding Ladies’ Night previously in Minnesota was back in ’92, when this same gentleman filed a complaint.

All well and good. And it underlines Rudov’s point about selective enforcement, which… here comes the wet blanket… I wonder if Gretchen would be so dismissive of such a allegation, if they were discussing a “Foxier” subject?

No matter that in this case, the “policy” has actually been confirmed.
http://SailRabbits.com Magister

PS – Because sometimes the system hiccups from too many links)

The third page of the complainant profile that I linked in my previous comment quotes a rep from the Tavern League asking a rhetorical about “Kids Eat Free” and senior’s meal discounts. A columnist for the paper has aslo posed the question regarding movie ticket prices and Mr. Horner’s profile also links to Daily Show segment lampooning him and his crusade from 2007.
Munch

I would think that if a bar that gave out free drinks it would run a much more significant risk of liability than one offering half-priced drinks. It’s just a cry for someone to get drunk. Also, why should men complain? Many women will get the drinks for the guys at the half-priced rate and even if they don’t, the guy has to pay only half-price for the woman’s drink.
http://SailRabbits.com Magister

I’ve decided to flip over my “wet blanket” to maintain some of the fun and because I apparently double-linked the editorial and skipped the url for The Daily Show segment.

IOW: The ruling isn’t new. The Minnesota commission first said it was discriminatory in ’92. This one man filed the first complaint and is responsible for every other case in Minnesota. He has also filed complaints in four other states and despite telling John Oliver of The Daily Show that he could make a living from these “discriminatunities” (Oliver’s word), he’s only pocketed about $6000 over the past two decades.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Viktor-Mihaylov/100001748560024 Viktor Mihaylov

Good for Minesota !!! All states should stop that Sexist bull…t . When women are going to start paying there share ? When ? All my boses are women . Come on …. its 2010 !!! When are we going to be equall ?