pyrope said:
There should be ZERO doubt in anyone’s mind that the liberal elite (what Klein wants to be when he grows up) think we, the great unwashed, need their guiding hand in every point of our lives. It is for that reason I so enjoyed Glenn Beck’s expose’ on Klein and his insulting remarks. I will say that Glenn overdramatized this segment just a bit, but the content was spot on.

That said, I believe Glenn Beck tells more truth in his daily hour on Fox than anyone on TV. The trouble is, most liberals just cannot handle the truth–that’s why they vote for liberals who assuage their concerns, that’s why they invite liberal politicians to run their lives–and do all their thinking for them.

Wow. Wins the irony award for this thread.

The average person is not stupid, but we are often uniformed. It takes time we sometimes don’t have to spare and our giant media machine is about money and ratings rather than giving us accurate information. A little spin or bias is understandable, but a pattern of mangling the facts suggests no real serious concern for the truth.

crawlingbrain said:
I admit, I could only get few a couple of minutes of this video before I got frustrated with how Beck mishandles the facts. I’m not sure if this is intentional or simply a misreading of history, but it really bothers me. For example..

Beck says that the Council on Foreign Relations was “an institution that originated from a group of academics and professionals who participated in the so-called “inquiry” in paris. they sought to offer advise to the progressive Woodrow Wilson.”

This is a misinterpretation of events. In 1917, Woodrow Wilson and his cabinet assembled a think tank of academics that he dubbed “The Inquiry” to help him prepare for the peace negotiations following World War I. When the Paris Peace Conference was held in 1919, Wilson created the American Commission to Negotiate Peace, composed of a handful of academics from The Inquiry, and brought them with him to Paris. Two years later, in 1921, several members of Woodrow’s group founded the Council on Foreign Relations.

He then goes on to say, “Among it’s members, Walter Lippman. I love this man. He’s studied in journalism schools. He’s a hero of journalism. He founded a socialist club in college, whose ideas were influential in crafting the Treaty of Versailles, and we all know how that ended, oh so well.”

This whole paragraph is confusing because it is unclear what is referring to what. Here are the facts:
*Walter Lippman was one of Woodrow Wilson’s advisers, a member of The Inquiry and the American Commission to Negotiate Peace, but he was not part of the group that went on to form the Council on Foreign Relations.
* He was a co-founder of the Harvard Socialist Club when he was 17, but by 1912 had cut all ties with the group and rejected his teenage flirtation with socialism in his book “Drift and Mastery” in 1914.
* Lippman’s (or his college club, it’s unclear who Beck is referring to) ideas helped to craft Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points, NOT the Treaty of Versailles. You may remember that the The Treaty itself ended up being so vastly different from what Wilson had wanted that the US Senate refused to ratify it.

ObnoxiousNox said:

People are not stupid, as elitists like Joe Klein think we are. What Glenn Beck has done is reawakened interest in our history and brought millions of Americans out of a coma, which should never have happened to begin with.

If Glenn got it wrong, then call him out instead of whining about it on some obscure site; he does have a Facebook page that checks and post frequently to.

Beck, getting relevant facts wrong in making his points is a repeating pattern.I see that as intentional and a problem when he keeps preaching about how important the truth is. I’m glad to see more people awake and involved but we do need to consider the facts. Mocking intellectuals isn’t really superior to them mocking us is it?

That is a myth, for post graduate educated people, there’s about a 20 point spread in favor of the dems.

here’s a couple sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
http://secularright.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/voteeducation.jpg

Best line of the segment: “Joe never went to Harvard.

You are misinterpreting what he said. It was these elitist pinheads that crafted the Versailles Treaty and we know, at least most of “dummies” know what resulted after that.

Beck also let’s that elitist piece of garbage know that it wasn’t us dumb idiots driving trucks that got us into that mess, but Joe Klein’s elitist pals, such as Lippman. As a matter of fact, it sure does seem that elitist pinheads always seem to be the people that get us into these messes, you know, like Goldman Sachs, the unconstitutional federal reserve, etc.

You can prescribe to whatever brand of politics that makes you happy, but, facts are facts: Elitist morons seem to always know what’s best for others. Yet a vast majority of Klein’s pals have never had a job or owned a business. These spoiled brats sit behind desks and think they always have the answer.

People are not stupid, as elitists like Joe Klein think we are. What Glenn Beck has done is reawakened interest in our history and brought millions of Americans out of a coma, which should never have happened to begin with.

If Glenn got it wrong, then call him out instead of whining about it on some obscure site; he does have a Facebook page that checks and post frequently to.

Beck says that the Council on Foreign Relations was “an institution that originated from a group of academics and professionals who participated in the so-called “inquiry” in paris. they sought to offer advise to the progressive Woodrow Wilson.”

This is a misinterpretation of events. In 1917, Woodrow Wilson and his cabinet assembled a think tank of academics that he dubbed “The Inquiry” to help him prepare for the peace negotiations following World War I. When the Paris Peace Conference was held in 1919, Wilson created the American Commission to Negotiate Peace, composed of a handful of academics from The Inquiry, and brought them with him to Paris. Two years later, in 1921, several members of Woodrow’s group founded the Council on Foreign Relations.

He then goes on to say, “Among it’s members, Walter Lippman. I love this man. He’s studied in journalism schools. He’s a hero of journalism. He founded a socialist club in college, whose ideas were influential in crafting the Treaty of Versailles, and we all know how that ended, oh so well.”

This whole paragraph is confusing because it is unclear what is referring to what. Here are the facts:
*Walter Lippman was one of Woodrow Wilson’s advisers, a member of The Inquiry and the American Commission to Negotiate Peace, but he was not part of the group that went on to form the Council on Foreign Relations.
* He was a co-founder of the Harvard Socialist Club when he was 17, but by 1912 had cut all ties with the group and rejected his teenage flirtation with socialism in his book “Drift and Mastery” in 1914.
* Lippman’s (or his college club, it’s unclear who Beck is referring to) ideas helped to craft Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points, NOT the Treaty of Versailles. You may remember that the The Treaty itself ended up being so vastly different from what Wilson had wanted that the US Senate refused to ratify it.

Beck can prescribe to whatever brand of politics that make him happy, but it makes me so frustrated to hear television pundits, who viewers turn to for information, mangle the facts so horribly. It’s like he’s playing magnet poetry with all the words from the pages of a history book and rearranging the sentences to imply things that are not there. It’s really irresponsible.

Folks who have worked hard and had to struggled with reforming themselves from any vice could surely be the most pious people on earth.

Afterall, they’ve struggled with themselves, suffered, and continue doing it on a daily basis.

If that’s not the sign of heroism, I don’t know what is.

That said, I believe Glenn Beck tells more truth in his daily hour on Fox than anyone on TV. The trouble is, most liberals just cannot handle the truth–that’s why they vote for liberals who assuage their concerns, that’s why they invite liberal politicians to run their lives–and do all their thinking for them.

————————————————————————————————————————————–

As you should have.

Milk-skinned goddess must limit exposure to your blazing blather.”’

Actually, everyone would benefit from waiting to log on ten seconds past you, when you’ve already fizzled.

I think you are right on him seeing them as a threat but if what is said is to be believed
they might be a threat to our Republic. As for what it suggests… well trouble is neither one
of us can read his mind and see what he wants but given his own words it seems
unlikely. He’s said on numerous occasions to ‘not believe him, go see for yourself’ .
That doesn’t strike me as someone that would condone the silence of speech.

I admit I could be wrong but I don’t think so.

I agree, he has not come right out and told them to shut the yapper but his rhetoric suggests just that. He calls himself a Progressive hunter; he believes they are a threat to the country and I guess (although its hard to tell) he would like to replace them with his twisted brand of neo-conservatism. I got in the car this morning, listened to him for 5 min and guess what he was talking about…intellectuals and elitists and their connection to Progressives. Never saw that one coming.

As someone else said, he’s like Oprah except he’s scary because people believe him.

Hmm, couldn’t you say the same as for ‘coming close to inciting violence’ about anyone who
has railed against an perceived injustice?

As for the rest, I’m not sure whether he is attacking the intellectual as much as attacking their perceived,
or in the case of Joe Klein, confirmed arrogance. Since the elitist does see themselves
as superior that’s a given.

I think though the difference might be that Fascist, Marxist and Communist
all saw themselves as superior to anyone that didn’t conform to their beliefs. They also called
for their destruction. Beck , however, seems to be challenging their arrogance and their
conclusions without calling for their elimination. To me anyway, it seems like is
saying ‘Here’s why you are wrong and why you came to this wrong conclusion’. but
I’ve never seen him say ‘shut up.’ to them.

I guess I missed the point because I found this nothing more than Glen(n)’s typical junior high schtick appealing to those whose Cooter Preference Test found they should pursue careers in manual labor and whose PSAT’s tend to indicate that community college is beyond their academic grasps. Of course, Glen(n) has his typical High Queen delivery which I always find off-putting. Anyone who doesn’t believe that the US is heading for an idiocracy, a pan-party/ideology idiocracy, doesn’t have an effective understanding of 21st Century America. Beck is every bit as disgusting this morning as he was Monday morning

————————————————————————————————————————

Nice try TRRK, but Glenn did it better.

You must be pleased as punch, anyway. Beck has now given you a voice that everyone can put to your prose. A combination Thurston Howell-Dr. Evil.

Perfect!

If you think not, check out James Hansen’s (NASA) comment on ‘Times Up’, by Keith Farnish: — “Keith Farnish has it right: time has practically run out, and the ‘system’ is the problem”–James Hansen, Director, NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies

Umm that’s the book that advocates eliminating the human race to save Earth. Oh those silly progressives.

He’s come awful close to advocating violence and he clearly uses this anti-elitist / anti-intellectual argument to get his listeners all lathered up. You know, those damn intellectuals are the problem (Including those scholars that ripped Goldbergs book to shreds). All I’m asking is isn’t that similar to what the Fascist, Communists, and Marxist did, who by the way Beck says are no different than Progressives?

On his first show in Tampa he said he was “right down the middle” politically but he figured out that “right down the middle” wasn’t cutting it so he went wacky right and included the requisite tearing up and his career took off. Beck has always been willing to do whatever is necessary for ratings (don’t kid yourself, it’s ALL about ratings), including losing all self respect. But hey, he’s got his ratings and his money. Bravo!!

He did actually. Citing some of the various waste and errors in the stimulus package. but if you were laughing hard you could have missed some of them.I know I did :P

Ted says,

Difference is that he isn’t advocating their deaths, just exposing their possible hidden agenda.

Oh, and for the record: Klein should do his homework. Republicans typically get the majority of votes from the college educated, while the Democrats invariably capture a huge majority among high school dropouts.

So I see that this is Beck trying to be entertaining, but all he did was call out Klein for being condescending. He never said Klein was wrong, just that he as kind of a d-bag about it. Klein’s points are based on fact. That is hard to dispute, and Glenn doesn’t bother. He just turns it into an argument about Klein being educated. It’s really pretty dangerous that we are looking at education with such disdain. That is how the populous is controlled.