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		<title>Who&#8217;s Behind The Obama-As-Hitler Posters?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Sklar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, Rep. <strong>Barney Frank</strong> got in a <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/barney-frank-pwns-crazy-town-hall-questioner/">heated exchange with a questioner</a> at a Massachusetts Town Hall, who held up a poster of <strong>President Barack Obama</strong> overlaid prominently with a Hitler mustache. “Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy?” she demanded. His response: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"

Great sound bite, but actually, it's this one &#8212; and she shares it with <a href="http://www.larouchepac.com/">LarouchePac</a>, the political action committee run by <strong>Lyndon LaRouche</strong>. Which just happens to be mass-manufacturing those Obama-as-Hitler posters. <!--more-->
 ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/larouche-poster.JPG" alt="larouche poster" title="larouche poster" width="280" height="211" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-14761" />Yesterday, Rep. <strong>Barney Frank</strong> got in a <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/barney-frank-pwns-crazy-town-hall-questioner/">heated exchange with a questioner</a> at a Massachusetts Town Hall, who held up a poster of <strong>President Barack Obama</strong> overlaid prominently with a Hitler mustache. “Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy?” she demanded. His response: &#8220;On what planet do you spend most of your time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Great sound bite, but actually, it&#8217;s this one &mdash; and she shares it with <a href="http://www.larouchepac.com/">LaRouchePac</a>, the political action committee run by <strong>Lyndon LaRouche</strong>. Which just happens to be mass-manufacturing those Obama-as-Hitler posters. <span id="more-14797"></span></p>
<p>The protester opened her question to Frank by comparing the <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/whos-to-blame-for-the-death-panel-rumors-betsy-mccaughey-again/">widely-rumored</a> (and <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/200908150001">widely-debunked</a>) so-called “Death Panels” to the Nazi’s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4">T-4 program</a> of exterminating people will illnesses, deformities or otherwise deemed “unworthy of life.”  The fourth result for &#8220;Nazis T-4 Policy&#8221; is &#8220;<a href="http://www.larouchepac.com/node/10504">Nazi T4 Genocide Model Openly Touted By Obama Administration</a>&#8221; from LaRouchePac.com. HotAirPundit <a href="http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/woman-asks-barney-frank-why-do-you.html">points out</a> that &#8220;LaRouche PAC had a table outside the event&#8221; at which it was giving out Obama-with-Hitler-mustache posters, and says that LaRouche can be traced to most of the Hitler noise: &#8220;99% of the Town Hall Protesters denounce the Hitler pictures.&#8221; </p>
<p>As HotAirPundit notes, Newsbusters <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/08/12/nbc-cnn-msnbc-all-assign-communist-larouches-obama-hitler-poster-conse">previously pointed out</a> the LaRouchePac connection to the Hitler signs &mdash; and criticizing mainstream media sites for conflating them with Conservative rhetoric against  Health Care Reform position. </p>
<p>NewsBusters&#8217; main point is that LaRouche is actually on the left &mdash; he&#8217;s run for President as a Democrat before, after all &mdash; but I think it&#8217;s safe to say that LaRouche has <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/08/12/nbc-cnn-msnbc-all-assign-communist-larouches-obama-hitler-poster-conse">never been an accepted, promoted, or viable candidate for the Democratic party</a>. His views have been variously described, according to <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/08/12/nbc-cnn-msnbc-all-assign-communist-larouches-obama-hitler-poster-conse">SourceWatch</a>, as Fascist, Communist, Bonapartist and Right-Wing Populist, and marked by conspiracy theories. So it&#8217;s pretty clear why both sides would want to distance themselves from him and his antics. </p>
<p>That said, NewsBusters shouldn&#8217;t be the only ones distancing &mdash; <strong>Rush Limbaugh</strong> talking about Obama &#8220;<a href="http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908060019">sending out his Brownshirts</a>&#8221; is a pretty clear reference to Hitler (in fact, that&#8217;s the <em>raison d&#8217;etre </em>for this NewsBusters post &mdash; complaining that various news programs linked the Hitler posters to Limbaugh in their coverage of the various invocations of Hitler that included Limbaugh&#8217;s reference to Hitler. Quibble!). Limbaugh&#8217;s message is hard to miss. </p>
<p>Nor is there any indication that this woman <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/anti-obama-protester-comp_n_252815.html">carrying a homemade Obama Swastika sign</a>, or the person holding up <a href="http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/ss-nazi-sign/">other homemade SS sign</a> or whoever put this <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/pelosi-protesters-includi_n_253762.html">homemade Swastika sign on a baby stroller</a> were affiliated with LaRouche. </p>
<p>Nor is there any reference to LaRouche in this account from Blue Mass Group:</p>
<blockquote><p>I just had a surreal conversation with a guy handing out pamphlets:</p>
<p>guy: Do you know Hitler endorsed Obama&#8217;s healthplan?<br />
me: Hitler?<br />
guy: Yes, in 1939.<br />
me: Really?  That&#8217;s interesting.  Who&#8217;re you working for?<br />
guy: I&#8217;m just a concerned citizen.<br />
me: You have pamphlets&#8230;.<br />
guy: I&#8217;m a volunteer.<br />
me: Who for?<br />
guy: The Mass. GOP.</p>
<p>The pamphlet was your basic FUD, no mention of Hitler.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;FUD&#8221; stands for &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt">Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt</a>&#8221; &mdash; used for the purposes of being, er, <em>persuasive</em>. So &mdash; I wouldn&#8217;t exactly call this particular meme isolated. </p>
<p>But it definitely is worth noting that there are organizations out there working on an institutional, mass level to stoke the anger of crowds, flood them with propaganda and arm them with the kind of paraphernalia which is designed <em>exactly </em>to get and hold the media&#8217;s attention. LaRouchePac is one, and one that is getting a lot of play &mdash; so it&#8217;s important to call that out, and make sure that agenda is clear and, like NewsBusters suggests, not ascribed to opponents of Health Care Reform as a whole. </p>
<p>But part of calling that out includes calling out <em>all</em> the lies. Because there is a clear link between this woman invoking Nazi T-4 policy in talk of &#8220;death panels&#8221; and Chuck Grassley talking about &#8220;<a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/senate-twitter-smackdown-specter-and-grassley-get-into-it-on-twitter/">pulling the plug on Grandma</a>.&#8221; They may not pass out the same posters, but make no mistake of it, those messages are linked. What Grassley &mdash; and all Conservatives or opponents of Health Care of any stripe should do &mdash; is confront each crazy, trumped-up, demonstrably false rumor with the kind of blunt, no-argument response that Frank delivered last night. </p>
<p>Related:<br />
<a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/08/12/nbc-cnn-msnbc-all-assign-communist-larouches-obama-hitler-poster-conse">NBC, CNN and MSNBC All Assign Communist LaRouche&#8217;s Obama-Hitler Poster to Conservatives, Limbaugh</a> [NewsBusters]<br />
<a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-18527-Broward-County-Liberal-Examiner~y2009m8d15-Who-is-the-real-Nazi-President-Obama-or-Lyndon-LaRouche">Who is the real Nazi, President Obama or Lyndon LaRouche?</a> [The Examiner]<br />
<a href="http://bluemassgroup.com/diary/16479/larouche-pac-behind-nazi-comparisons">LaRouche PAC Behind Nazi Comparisons</a> [Blue Mass Group]<br />
<a href="http://www.bluemassgroup.com/diary/16473/nazi-astroturf">Nazi Astroturf</a> [Blue Mass Group]</p>
<p><strong>Previously:</strong><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/whos-to-blame-for-the-death-panel-rumors-betsy-mccaughey-again/"><br />
Who’s To Blame For The “Death Panel” Rumors? Betsy McCaughey, Again</a> [Mediaite]<br />
<a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/barney-frank-pwns-crazy-town-hall-questioner/">Barney Frank Pwns Crazy Town Hall Questioner</a> [Mediaite]</p>
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		<title>Barney Frank Pwns Crazy Town Hall Questioner</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Sklar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On what planet do you spend most of your time?" 

Maybe that's how to handle crazy Town Hall protesters: Call them on their crazy. Barney Frank did just that last night, in a moment from last night's Town Hall in Dartmouth, Massachusetts that is all but designed to go viral. 

When a woman stood up and compared President Barack Obama to Hitler, Frank responded: "It is a tribute to the First Amendment that this sort of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated." ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Frank-Protestor.jpg" alt="Frank Protest Hitler" title="Frank Protest Hitler" width="280" height="342" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-14767" />&#8220;On what planet do you spend most of your time?&#8221; </p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s how to handle crazy Town Hall protesters: Call them on their crazy. Congressman Barney Frank did just that last night, in a moment from last night&#8217;s Town Hall in Dartmouth, Massachusetts that is all but designed to go viral. </p>
<p>In a Town Hall that was already <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/18/frank.heath.care/">plenty feisty</a>, a woman stood up and compared the widely-circulated-and-widely-debunked-at-least-by-serious-sources &#8220;Death Panels&#8221; to the Nazi&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4">T-4 program</a> of exterminating people with illnesses, deformities or otherwise deemed &#8220;unworthy of life.&#8221; Said the woman to Frank: &#8220;Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy?&#8221; </p>
<p>Here was Frank&#8217;s response: </p>
<p> &#8220;When you ask me that question, I&#8217;m going to revert to my ethnic heritage and ask you a question: On what planet do you spend most of your time?&#8221; <span id="more-14687"></span></p>
<p>&#8220;You stand there with a picture of the president defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis. My answer to you is, as I said before, it is a tribute to the First Amendment that this sort of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Ma&#8217;am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table &mdash; I have no interest in doing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the video:<br />
<iframe src="http://videos.mediaite.com/embed/player/SD2KLD0XJ3B6LVCG" width="420" height="421" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true"></iframe><br clear="all"></p>
<p>Not surprisingly, this video clip has spent the night and morning making the rounds on cable and online; &#8220;Barney Frank&#8221; is already a <a href="http://twitter.com/#search?q=%22Barney%20Frank%22">trending topic on Twitter</a>. Perhaps also not surprisingly, the incident gets <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/18/rep-barney-frank-critics-face-town-hall-event/">only a brief mention</a> halfway down in an article on Fox News.</p>
<p>Funnily, a article in the Bostonist published yesterday before the Town Hall altercation begins thusly: &#8220;<a href="http://bostonist.com/2009/08/18/barney_frank_offers_polite_disagree.php">Barney Frank is fearless when it comes to giving his opinion.</a>&#8221; Indeed!</p>
<p>It should be noted that the questioner was <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/whos-behind-the-obama-as-hitler-posters/">very likely a plant from LaRouchePac</a>, which is a fringe/extremist political action committee run by Lyndon LaRouche. More information <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/whos-behind-the-obama-as-hitler-posters/">here</a>. </p>
<p>Related:<br />
<a href="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/whos-behind-the-obama-as-hitler-posters/">Who&#8217;s Behind The Obama-As-Hitler Posters? </a>[Mediaite]</p>
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