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		<title>Cable News Networks Take Different Angles In Reporting On Elena Kagan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Krakauer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When <strong>Pete Williams</strong> of NBC <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-nbc-news-reporting-obama-to-pick-elena-kagan-as-scotus-nominee/">broke the news</a> at 10pmET on Sunday night that <strong>Elena Kagan</strong> would be Pres. <strong>Barack Obama</strong>'s Supreme Court nominee, it signaled cable news would make the story a focus in the short and long-term.

So what would be Kagan's "wise latina" - the storyline closely associated with the nominee? We broke down the first 24 hours on cable news.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/kagan_5-11.jpg"><img src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/kagan_5-11.jpg" alt="" title="kagan_5-11" width="275" height="206" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-122103" /></a>When <strong>Pete Williams</strong> of NBC <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-nbc-news-reporting-obama-to-pick-elena-kagan-as-scotus-nominee/">broke the news</a> at 10pmET on Sunday night that <strong>Elena Kagan</strong> would be Pres. <strong>Barack Obama</strong>&#8216;s Supreme Court nominee, it signaled cable news would make the story a focus in the short and long-term.</p>
<p>So what would be Kagan&#8217;s &#8220;wise latina&#8221; &#8211; the storyline closely associated with the nominee? We broke down the first 24 hours on cable news.<span id="more-121800"></span></p>
<p>Before we get to the chart, here&#8217;s how it works &#8211; we put Kagan and various other potential key words into <a href="http://www.tveyes.com">TV Eyes</a>, and found out how many times each cable news network mentioned the storylines during the first 24 hours of coverage. Overall, MSNBC mentioned Kagan the most times (100), compared to 93 for CNN, 54 for FNC and 30 for HLN. Check out the chart here, and we break it down below:</p>
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<td colspan="5">WHAT ARE THE CABLERS SAYING ABOUT ELENA KAGAN?</td>
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<td class="table-header"><img src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/themes/mediaite/images/logo-foxnews.jpg" alt="Fox News" border="0" width="80" height="64" /></td>
<td class="table-header"><img src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/themes/mediaite/images/logo-cnn.jpg" alt="CNN" border="0" width="80" height="64" /></td>
<td class="table-header"><img src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/themes/mediaite/images/logo-msnbc.jpg" alt="MSNBC" border="0" width="80" height="64" /></td>
<td class="table-header"><img src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/themes/mediaite/images/logo-hln.jpg" alt="CNN Headline News" border="0" width="80" height="64" /></td>
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<td class="table-row">&#8220;Experience&#8221;</td>
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<p>15</p>
</td>
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<p>16</p>
</td>
<td>
<p>26</p>
</td>
<td>
<p>4</p>
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<td class="table-row">&#8220;Harvard&#8221;</td>
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<p>22</p>
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<p>36</p>
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<p>33</p>
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<td>
<p>14</p>
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<td class="table-row">&#8220;Liberal&#8221;</td>
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<p>13</p>
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<td>
<p>15</p>
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<td>
<p>12</p>
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<td>
<p>4</p>
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<td class="table-row">&#8220;New York&#8221;</td>
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<p>8</p>
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<p>11</p>
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<p>9</p>
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<td>
<p>1</p>
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<td class="table-row">&#8220;Single&#8221;</td>
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<p>0</p>
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<p>3</p>
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<td>
<p>0</p>
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<td>
<p>0</p>
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<td class="table-row">&#8220;Military&#8221;</td>
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<p>15</p>
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<p>13</p>
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<p>8</p>
</td>
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<p>1</p>
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<td class="table-row">&#8220;Socialism&#8221;</td>
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<p>1</p>
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<p>0</p>
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<p>1</p>
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<p>0</p>
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<td class="table-row">TOTAL KAGAN MENTIONS</td>
<td>54</td>
<td>93</td>
<td>100</td>
<td>30</td>
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<p>Clearly the most-talked about storyline is her time at Harvard, followed closely behind (except on CNN) by &#8220;experience.&#8221; It&#8217;s fair to expect the two to go hand in hand &#8211; as the cablers discuss her Harvard work, they will also bring up her lack of judicial experience. Her being &#8220;liberal&#8221; or not will be a story as well, but not always for the same reasons. For example, the &#8220;liberal&#8221; mention context on <strong>Rachel Maddow</strong>&#8216;s MSNBC show was drastically different than that of <strong>Sean Hannity</strong>&#8216;s on Fox News.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the &#8220;military&#8221; issue. Fox News led the cablers during the first 24 hours in discussing Kagan, signaling what could be a sign of things to come. The <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/elena-kagan-confirmation-what-the-cablers-will-be-talking-about/">storyline relates to her time</a> at Harvard as well, but specifically in her fight to restrict military recruiters on campus due to &#8220;Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell.&#8221; But while the policy is a storyline in and of itself, it could also mean commentators taking it to the next step &#8211; her take on the military in general.</p>
<p>One thing that is not being discussed on cable news (yet) is <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-the-mainstream-media-prepared-to-discuss-the-kagan-lesbian-rumors/">her personal life</a>, as shown by the &#8220;single&#8221; statistic. CNN has made a few mention that she&#8217;s single (also in the same sentence as her being from &#8220;New York), but the more her personal life is discussed &#8211; and so far it almost entirely has not &#8211; the more the story drifts back to territory cable news is reluctant to go.</p>
<p>Finally, not too many socialism mentions yet, including zero from <strong>Glenn Beck</strong> (on Fox News, although he did talk about it on his radio show).</p>
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		<title>Will The Right Make This Obama&#8217;s &#8220;Wise Latina&#8221; Moment?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Krakauer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the weekend a tipster directed our attention to a part of the "President Obama's African Journey" AC 360 special featuring the interviews <strong>Anderson Cooper</strong> conducted with President <strong>Barack Obama</strong> during his trip to Ghana.  One line of the President's stood out as possible fodder for criticism in much the same way Judge <strong>Sonia Sotomayor</strong>'s "wise Latina" comment became a conservative talking point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3930" title="obama_7-20" src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/obama_7-20.jpg" alt="obama_7-20" width="320" height="240" />Over the weekend a tipster directed our attention to a part of the &#8220;President Obama&#8217;s African Journey&#8221; AC 360 special featuring the interviews <strong>Anderson Cooper</strong> conducted with President <strong>Barack Obama</strong> during his trip to Ghana.</p>
<p>One line of the President&#8217;s stood out as possible fodder for criticism in much the same way Judge <strong>Sonia Sotomayor</strong>&#8216;s &#8220;wise Latina&#8221; comment became a conservative talking point.<span id="more-3912"></span></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the full passage:</p>
<blockquote><p>That&#8217;s part of the African American experience. You are, in some ways, connected to this distant land, but on the other end, you&#8217;re about as American as it gets in some ways. <strong>African Americans are more fundamentally rooted in the American experience</strong> because they don&#8217;t have a recent immigrant experience to draw on. It&#8217;s that unique African American culture that has existed in North America for hundreds of years long before we actually founded the nation.</p></blockquote>
<p>The key line, of course, is &#8220;African Americans are more fundamentally rooted in the American experience.&#8221; Obama did not expand on this, nor did <strong>Anderson Cooper</strong> ask a follow up. So did Mr. Obama mean that African Americans are more rooted in American experience than other Americans, or more rooted in American experience than the African experience? Or does it really matter?</p>
<p>Perhaps more importantly, will this become a &#8220;gotcha&#8221; moment? The quote could imply, at least without proper context, something similar to Sotomayor&#8217;s &#8220;wise Latina&#8221; comment. It could be the calm before the storm &#8211; it hasn&#8217;t even been a week since the interview first aired. So far it has been picked up only in the context of <a href="http://thesharecroppersalmanac.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/while-you-were-googling-beyonce-obama-talks-to-anderson-cooper/" target="_blank">a discussion on</a> the African American experience.</p>
<p>Whether the line becomes a conduit for a larger discussion on race in this country, or a talking point for the Obama detractors remains to be seen.</p>
<p>The interview is below, with the key passage starting around the 6:45 mark:<br />
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		<title>Meme Watch! &#8211; The Week of the Wise Latina</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Gotkin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ever find that sometimes when you're talking with friends or co-workers that a certain word keeps getting repeated over and over again?  Maybe it's a flashy one or just a really useful one, but it just keeps making the rounds in e-mails or chit-chat?  Well, you're not alone - the media also loves to reuse and recycle (not so much reduce).  Welcome to Mediaite's Meme Watch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/_46071551_sotomayor_getty466b.jpg" alt="_46071551_sotomayor_getty466b" title="_46071551_sotomayor_getty466b" width="260" height="167" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3525" />Ever find that sometimes when you&#8217;re talking with friends or co-workers that a certain word keeps getting repeated over and over again?  Maybe it&#8217;s a flashy one or just a really useful one, but it just keeps making the rounds in e-mails or chit-chat?  Well, you&#8217;re not alone &#8211; the media also loves to reuse and recycle (not so much reduce).  Welcome to Mediaite&#8217;s Meme Watch, a compilation of the media&#8217;s most talked-about words&#8230; literally.  This week? Wise Latina!<span id="more-3273"></span><br />
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		<title>Obiter Dicta: Legal Eagles On Covering The Sotomayor Hearings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Sklar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lights! Camera! SCOTUS! All eyes this week are turned toward the confirmation hearing of Justice <strong>Sonia Sotomayor</strong>. 

Mediaite asked some of our favorite legal eagles to share their thoughts on the Sotomayor hearings: The New Yorker/CNN's <strong>Jeffrey Toobin</strong>, Slate's <strong>Dahlia Lithwick</strong>, CBS's <strong>Andrew Cohen</strong> and SCOTUSblog's <strong>Tom Goldstein</strong> weigh in on today's events.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1619" title="smiley-sotomayor" src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/smiley-sotomayor.jpg" alt="smiley-sotomayor" width="350" height="251" />Lights! Camera! SCOTUS! All eyes this week are turned toward the confirmation hearing of <strong>Justice Sonia Sotomayor</strong>, President Barack Obama&#8217;s first nominee to the Supreme Court and the person who has added &#8220;Wise Latina&#8221; to our lexicon. Legal eagles from around the land have flocked to the nation&#8217;s capital to breathlessly cover these hearings, or at least stream them live on C-SPAN so that various Senators can put on their best camera-ready outfits (smashing blazer, Kristen Gillibrand!) and invoke those twin American traditions &#8211; case law and baseball  &#8211; in sonorous, stentorian voices and, in the case of Chuck Schumer, voices that sound like my former rabbi.<span id="more-1542"></span></p>
<p>For those covering the event, this is a big deal &#8212; a new voice not only shakes up the court, but has the potential to carve new fault lines along 5-4 majorities and make Antonin Scalia that much less of a scary, scary man. Never mind that, anything can happen at these hearings: Family members can <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/SupremeCourt/story?id=1495804">tear up</a>! Pubic hair can <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=VA7&amp;q=pubic+hair+coke+anita+hill+clarence+thomas&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=">appear on cans of coke</a>! Jeff Sessions can <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/50593/why-so-subtle-jeff-sessions">get his chance in the spotlight</a>! Confirmation hearings provide some great moments in covering the Supreme Court &#8212; so Mediaite thought we&#8217;d ask some of our favorite legal eagles to share their thoughts on the process. (We specifically chose the empathetic ones.) The New Yorker/CNN&#8217;s <a href="http://www.jeffreytoobin.com/"><strong>Jeffrey Toobin</strong></a>, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/dahlialithwick-bio.html">Slate/NYT&#8217;s</a><strong> Dahlia Lithwick</strong>, CBS&#8217;s <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/courtwatch/main504084.shtml?tag=cbsnewsSectionsArea;cbsnewsSectionsArea.2"><strong>Andrew Cohen</strong></a> and SCOTUSblog&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/"><strong>Tom Goldstein</strong></a> graciously responded to my questions, perhaps grateful that they were nicer than what the GOP probably has planned for today. Here, for your SCOTUS-tracking pleasure, are their responses (edited for clarity to make them sound smarter, because clearly they need my help).</p>
<p><em><strong>How many of these confirmation hearings have you attended?</strong></em></p>
<p>Toobin: <em><strong> </strong></em>I covered Roberts and Alito in 2005.  Remember there was an eleven year gap between those nominations and Breyer in 1994. During the last dramatic confirmation hearing &#8212; Clarence Thomas in 1991 &#8212; I was an Assistant U.S. Attorney in Brooklyn.</p>
<p>Cohen: This is my third confirmation. I covered Alito and Roberts as well.</p>
<p>Goldstein: I&#8217;ve been to all of Ginsburg and Breyer (as Nina Totenberg&#8217;s intern) and Roberts, and some of Alito.  We&#8217;ve live-blogged <a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/the-roberts-hearings-day-four/">Roberts</a> and <a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/still-more-liveblogging-of-alito-hearings/">Alito</a>, if I remember right.</p>
<p>Lithwick:  I covered Roberts and Alito and am at this one. No vacancies before that since I was at law school, I think</p>
<p><em><strong>Is this a huge mecca for legal media? Going to any fancy lawyer parties? (oxymoron alert!)</strong></em></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1698" title="toobs" src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/toobs.jpg" alt="toobs" width="200" height="219" />Cohen: I have no idea about any parties. I don’t “party” when I cover something like this because I have to work 18 hour days. I have brought my 10-year-old son with me, and he’s excited to be a part of history, and when I’m off we’ll be enjoying DC. I suspect you will be hearing that same answer from most serious journalists who are covering this. It ain’t the Hamptons.</p>
<p>Goldstein: All of the legal media is certainly here &#8212; e.g., all of the S. Ct. press corps is here, though some have left.  The legal media doesn&#8217;t have much in the way of press jockeying.  Sometimes law firms or law schools will offer up their people, but that&#8217;s about it. For this, it&#8217;s the political people and interest groups who are jockeying, and they are doing it a ton.  The rest of the media is here, and they make up the great majority of people.  By week&#8217;s end, the non-Hispanic media will be pretty much gone.</p>
<p>Toobin: I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a huge mecca for legal media.  A lot of people &#8220;cover&#8221; a confirmation hearing by watching it on TV.  I am unaware of a single party.  Perhaps I&#8217;m not invited.</p>
<p>Lithwick: If there are lots of parties I don&#8217;t know about &#8216;em. Yes every legal journo around is here. I am going to a book party tonight. But if its Court Nerd Sundance Festival I am not on the right lists.</p>
<p><em><strong>Whose analysis (other than your own) are you looking forward to the most?</strong></em></p>
<p>Cohen: I enjoy reading Dahlia Lithwick at Slate. Also, Tony Mauro for the National Law Journal. Both first-rate analysts-commentators.</p>
<p>Lithwick: Tom Goldstein&#8217;s analysis at SCOTUSblog. Nina and Ari at NPR have been en fuego. Andrew Cohen at CBS. Charlie Savage and Adam Liptak at Times. Jan Greenburg at ABC. I am sure I am forgetting people. I am not looking forward to my own coverage at all. It will be like covering a long sad group therapy session . . .</p>
<p>Toobin: I am looking forward to following <a href="http://scotusblog.com/" target="_blank">SCOTUSblog.com</a>.  Tom Goldstein&#8217;s team does an extraordinary job &#8212; fair, comprehensive, and rigorous.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1699" title="dahlia-lithwick" src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/dahlia-lithwick.jpg" alt="dahlia-lithwick" width="200" height="154" />[Goldstein's answers were not organized according to question, so the closest I have to an answer for this is,  "I have  a lot of faith in the S. Ct. press corps.  I am doing an hourly show each  night with Nina Totenberg." But I'm sure he loves his co-respondents as much as they love him.]</p>
<p><em><strong>Do you think the presence of Sotomayor&#8217;s mother in the courtroom will have a chilling (or chastising) effect on zealous GOP questioners, a la the teary Mrs. Alito a few years back?</strong></em></p>
<p>Lithwick: Having her mom here will chill them some but the Tom Tancredo stupidity [calling the National Council of La Raza "<a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Tancredo_La_Raza_is_Latino_KKK.html">the Latino KKK</a>"] will chill them more. Cornyn can&#8217;t afford to lose Hispanic voters</p>
<p>Toobin: I think the overall politics of the situation &#8212; fear of further offending Hispanic voters &#8212; is the bigger check on obnoxious questioning.</p>
<p>Goldstein: I don&#8217;t think that the family&#8217;s presence will inhibit attacks.  Everyone is playing a role here, and for some that role is to be really nasty.</p>
<p><em><strong>How much will the current members of the court participate? Do they have any media presence at all?</strong></em></p>
<p>Cohen: The current members of the Court do not participate at all in this process. It has nothing to do with them. Justice Ginsburg DID do an interview recently which appeared in the<em> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12ginsburg-t.html">Times</a></em>.</p>
<p>Lithwick: No. The fact that Ginsburg is <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12ginsburg-t.html">even talking to papers</a> is amazing.</p>
<p>Toobin: In the confirmation hearing, zero, although I was interested to read <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12ginsburg-t.html">Ruth Ginsburg&#8217;s interview with Emily Bazelon in the<em> Times</em></a>.  RBG seems to be stepping up her media presence.</p>
<p><em><strong><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1701" title="andrewcohen" src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/andrewcohen.jpg" alt="andrewcohen" width="200" height="147" />Toobs! As the guy who wrote <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nine-Inside-Secret-World-Supreme/dp/0385516401">the definitive SCOTUS book</a>, how do you think she&#8217;ll fit into the club?</strong></em></p>
<p>Toobin: Fine.  Ever since  Rehnquist took over as chief, the justices have made a special effort to get along with each other.  It&#8217;s a collegial court.  They fight on paper, but not in real life.</p>
<p><em><strong>Do you look at the all-day coverage, the frenzy of suddenly caring about this, and think: Where WERE all you people during the election? The SCOTUS pick got virtually no attention during the race, it was really quite amazing to me.</strong></em></p>
<p>Cohen: I don’t really perceive a frenzy. A CBS poll we just did revealed that nearly two-thirds of Americans don’t have an opinion about Judge Sotomayor.</p>
<p>Toobin: I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a &#8220;frenzy.&#8221; I think most people regard the result as a foregone conclusion.</p>
<p>Lithwick: My whole life in election years is trying to persuade people that the court matters. They are not persuaded. Then these hearings happen in bad cartoonish ways and i think &#8220;maybe its better we didn&#8217;t talk about the court during elections.&#8221;</p>
<p><em><strong>Is there a burden on Sotomayor here to be all things to women?</strong></em></p>
<p>Lithwick: I think there is a burden on her to be  both soft and accessible (i.e. not a bully) and also mechanical and Vulcan (i.e. not &#8220;empathetic&#8221;)  &#8212; that&#8217;s a tough line. I think she may have to walk it by being, in effect, less than she is; by just being very neutral and boring.  Women find her relatable in ways they didn&#8217;t find O&#8217;Connor and Ginsburg. Sotomayor is more human. That&#8217;s both a benefit and liability.</p>
<p><em><strong>So far, the focus has been on her <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/29/AR2009062901608.html">fireman case</a>, and the &#8220;Wise Latina&#8221; comment. Have you been surprised there&#8217;s been so little chatter about </strong></em><strong>Roe</strong><em><strong>?</strong></em></p>
<p>Lithwick: Protesters in front of senate handing out dismembered baby cards and saying &#8220;No on Sotomayor.&#8221;  See also <a href="http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/141287/rabid_anti-abortionist_tries_to_use_sotomayor_hearings_for_comeback_/">Randall Terry</a>.  There is a lot out there about<em> Roe</em>, especially for a nominee that has no significant abortion cases.</p>
<p>Toobin: I think people just assume &#8212; correctly, in my view &#8212; that a pro-<em>Roe</em> president will appoint a pro-<em>Roe</em> Justice. And she will be replacing a pro-<em>Roe</em> Justice.</p>
<p>Cohen: Nothing surprises me about the pre-confirmation hype any more. Typically, what is important gets overlooked and what isn’t is the focus.</p>
<p><em><strong><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1703" title="tom-goldstein-akin-gump" src="http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tom-goldstein-akin-gump.jpg" alt="tom-goldstein-akin-gump" width="135" height="167" />How much of this is optics &#8211; the carefully-planned briefing book, the sparkling all-American bio, in effect the PR campaign. Would you call this a substantive process?</strong></em></p>
<p>Cohen: This is not as substantive as it ought to be but it’s better than what usually passes for hearings on Capitol Hill.</p>
<p><em><strong>Can this really change everything?</strong></em></p>
<p>Toobin: Who knows?</p>
<p>Lithwick:  It can change the way we think about the courts and the way we talk about them. Maybe energize Obama team for next pick?</p>
<p>Cohen: Oh, I don&#8217;t think it changes much although I happen to think that the Court SHOULD look a little more like America, whether it&#8217;s populated by more conservative or more liberal voices.</p>
<p><em><strong>What would you say to someone who thinks covering the Supreme Court is boring?</strong></em></p>
<p>Cohen: Supreme Court coverage often <em>is</em> boring. Occasionally it isn’t. This process today would be far less boring if the politicians spoke less and the nominee spoke more and more candidly.</p>
<p>Lithwick: I would say Suprem Court coverage is awesome. But confirmation hearings are to the Supreme Court what pop tarts are to fine dining&#8230;</p>
<p>Toobin: My life is devoted to disproving the proposition that the Supreme Court is boring.</p>
<p><em>Photo credits from top: Sotomayor: Michael Reynolds/EPA (via <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30957485/displaymode/1247/?beginSlide=1&amp;beginChapter=1&amp;beginTab=1">MSNBC</a>); Jeff Toobin: Promo shot for The Nine via <a href="http://www.jeffreytoobin.com/">JeffToobin.com</a>; Dahlia Lithwick: <a href="http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=121304064644348&amp;z_Issue_ID=1330506061438290&amp;ShowArchiveArticle_ID=1330506062919079">C-Ville.com</a>; Andrew Cohen via <a href="http://twitter.com/cbsandrewcohen">Twitter</a>; Tom Goldstein via <a href="http://www.akingump.com/tgoldstein/">AkinGump.com</a>.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/dahlialithwick-bio.html">Obiter Dicta</a>&#8221; is a law joke. Please indulge me, I so rarely get to make them <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22rachel+sklar%22+%22former+lawyer%22&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a">anymore</a>.<br />
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