You have a real lowlife dope to denigrate Mormons .

AAAAAAAAH SHIT!!!! 

IT’S ON!!!!!

Christian on Christian Death Match!!!

LET’S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!

Ah, who cares?  They’re all fucking cults.

By the dictionary definition, all religions are cults. But of course right wing Christians ignore this.

I will give this Christian Republican leader credit for one thing: his blunt honesty.

As this reverend put it, “it’s not a politically correct thing to say”.

P.S.
Don’t Republicans just hate political correctness. They should be applauding him for his honesty.

Michelle’s head’s going to explode when the very people she admires and agrees with politically denigrates the faith she belongs to. HAHAHA.

ohhh sh*t!!!! LOL!

I love it how evangelical voters complain about how they’re so maligned by the media all the time…when they in turn malign Mormons. Ridiculous.

He’s right Mormonism is a cult

I don’t get it.  Southpark can mock the crap out of Mormonism but conservatives can not?

Mormons believe some weird stuff but so do all religions. 

The Judeo-Christian-Mormons are forming their circular firing squads. Too funny, in The Age of Reason.

Jews thought Christianity was a cult too. Probably still do.

Looks like Robert might be mad that we are pilfering his sheep. 

Isn’t Marie Osmond a Mormon? Hmmm…gotta wonder about this old Jeffress…just sayin’..

There you go obsessing over me again.  I don’t get too worked up over a few ill-informed morons. 

Very creepy discussion for the 21st century. That’s GOP for you!

While we’re at it, the famous “Ground zero mosque” opened peacefully a couple of weeks ago…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLPjLGFACB0

Oooops.

I wonder what attacks the sht flinging Baboon will unleash.

Maybe the fiery fury of angel MORONi?

All organized religion is a cult.I would think Chistianity would be responsible for far more deaths and suffering than the Mormons.

A few? He preaches at one of the biggest churches in Dallas. In 1991 it was considered the largest in the U.S. At one time it was Billy Graham’s church.

But if it makes you feel any better, he is also on record for disparaging Muslims.

Hey, what about the cult of SECULARISM?

10′s of thousands – I’ll repeat it – 10′s of thousands of accredited, lifelong scientists throughout the world have stated there’s no “fathomable” (their term!) way to measure the effect of man-made climate change on the ozone.

Hey secularist, quick, I thought I saw someone using a banned inhaler!  

So, Norbie, you rather live under a xtian Taliban Theocracy?

no, you wouldnt. mormonism is a cult and their god hated blacks till 78. does that make mormon’s lowlife dopes because their god said people are black because they turned away from god?

youre clearly a mormon or a mormon apologist! stop pushing your book of mormon prophecies off on the American Electorate please!

Aaaaaaaaawwwwww shhiiiiiiiiiitttt. its on! rumble in the judeo-christian jungle!

Mormons are NOT Christian. and there is no “death match” How can a Christian support a mormon? Our faiths are incompatible.

and youre in the godless/athiest cult. how is that working for you. thanks for your opinion!

no, they do not. and not all religions are cults unless of course atheism is a cult too. YOU might not like it but we live in a Christian nation. I know its hard to accept. even your president obama claims he accepts that!

Now I know why youre always dropping those bombs! youre a mitt the mormon/lds cult member posting to get people to support the man who is pushing his religion and their book of mormon prophecies off on the rest of us! 

Got it! now I know how to shut you up!

mormonism is a cult. plain and simple. why is it okay for mormons to believe that peoples skin color determined whether or not they supported god but people who believe it is a cult are disparaged by mormons who can’t accept another persons opinion

No, they don’t. They respect it. As you should. mormonism is not and never will be Christian. Accept it. 

“My superstitions are better than your superstitions!”

Yeah, but those smelly teenagers are a bigger threat to our once proud democracy this week,

what religion (other than mormonism) believes that god hated blacks until 1978? then somehow he just changed his mind! 

NONE! That isnt just weird, its crazy! These people believe these things!

Cult!

Sorry, mormons are NOT judeo-Christians. mormons are mormon. they have nothing to do with Christianity!

You and your Westboro Baptist church congregation/collection of whackjobs get out of our faces .

Creep.

Sick! You’re sick! Christians are NOT sheep!

The mormon god hated blacks when the grifter joseph smith created his cult then their god changed his mind in 1978 – Sick!

This is good, coming from a guy who doesn’t believe in dinosaurs, evolution and thinks the world is 7000 years old.

Give it a rest! The creepy thing is mormons who push their book of mormon prophecies off on the rest of us! Thats CREEPY! 

Creepy is god hating blacks till 1978 then changing his mind so he could muster votes for lds presidential elections! Thats CREEPY!

like the death and murder mormons did to themselves when they massacred their own in Mountain Meadows?

Give it up! I love how mormons attempt to strengthen their position by weakening CHristians, then CLAIM to somehow be Christian, youre not! stop lying!

No, I want to go forward.
What’s ‘xtian’?

I thought hatin’ on Mormons was a ‘liberal’ thing?

You idiots can’t get ANYthing right!

What’s to prove that some man named Jesus in 33 CE didn’t create his cult by claiming to be the son of God? Claiming to be the Son of God wasn’t a claim made only by a figure like Jesus.

awe hell, here we go again…. JESUS Christ!!!

cant handle the truth there, huh. well too bad, pal! using the United States economy to push mormon prophecies is sickening and you people should be ashamed!

It is fun to watch the Repulicans fight among themselves. Got that old time religion feeling?…LOL. 

I guess Mr. Jeffress would have to call Jesus Christ and the Christians of the first three centuries a “cult”. Mitt Romney believes in New Testament Christianity, not Mr. Jeffress’ Fourth Century Creeds, which have no basis in the New Testament. Who is calling whom a “cult”?

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

Here are the characteristics of a cult:
· Small? Mormons have 14 million members in 132 countries. In America, there are more Mormons than there are Presbyterians or Jews.
· Excessive devotion? Mormons are devoted to the Savior, but in appropriate measure He would approve of.
. Unethical techniques? Ask the pie-throwers to name one.
. Control by isolation? Even if Mormons wanted to, this would be impossible with 14 million members in 28,000 congregations throughout the world.
. Control by threats? Again, evidence? Mormon missionaries may be exuberant, but do not threaten.
. Dependency on the group? The Mormon Church is just the opposite. Mormons want members to be self-reliant and independent so they in turn can help others.
. Powerful group pressure? Only if that’s the way the critics prefer to define love.
. Strange? Guilty as charged. Mormons plead guilty to all the strange things that were done by Christians in New Testament times that were lost during the great falling away in the aptly named Dark Ages, among them temple worship, vicarious baptism for the dead, definition of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as separate but united in purpose, salvation requiring both grace and obedience to commandments, prophets and apostles, unpaid clergy, and continual revelation from God to guide His Church.

If thats how you rationalize things. 

Friday Fight Night at the GOP ! Grafx is your annoucer.

Sure, Christians were responsible for Mountain Meadows, right! get off of it!

No, it isnt. mormons are not judeo or Christian. they are mormon. Don’t get those things confused.

Oh, and mormons do? I wonder what the mormon cult believes about people with dark skin…

lmao, you’re comparing a satirical animated show to a church? You’re an idiot.

Jesus Christ walked these lands with the native Americans, donchca know? Not being Mormon. Did he wear magic underwear too?

We live in a Christian, Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, believe whatever the hell you want Nation.  

Republicans will unite behind the right candidate and obama will go down to humiliating defeat. how does that feel to know that. 

Yeah, thats what I thought!

No, we don’t. We live in a Christian nation. whether you like it or not. the minorities have their place and thats okay. Our nation is a Christian one.

mormonism isnt a church its a cult. as comical as southpark! the mormon god hated blacks till 78 then up and changed his mind so he could garner votes for the lds presidential elections.

You all can fight back and forth all you like.  All I want to know is what gives with the magic/sacred underwear???  I know the strory about the blacks but no one seems to be able to fill me in about what is up with the underwear. 

Can anyone here imagine trying to teach your five year old about magic underwear?

I’m guessing that Huntsman’s secular intelligence is looking pretty good to the GOP right about now.

I love how mormons attempt to strengthen the lds church by weakening a faith they claim to be a part of. mormons are NOT Christian.

the mormon cult cannot be compared to Christianity Jesus CHrist wasn’t a grifetr who claimed he saw “golden plates” by “putting a rock in a hat”! mormonism is very cultish! 

How can an athiest be in a religious cult???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO, We live in a country with a lot of christians

No we don’t

Ya, but Romney gets a Planet when he dies.

clearly a mormon. mormonism is NOT Christianity. thats not liberal or Conservative, thats fact. 

lmao. You’re so funny. 

You do NOT want to know. That little black book they keep putting on my doorstep is full of shit that’s more racist than the damn bible!

Hallelu-yer, Jesus Christ, and all y’all can go to straight to hell!

Here’s the thing, Obama can’t go after Romney’s mormonism, especially when you consider that church he went to for 20 years. But he doesn’t have to; the media will do it for him.

“What’s ‘xtian’?”

damn

:-|

Breaking News:

The mormon cult attempts to strengthen itself by weakening a religion it claims to be a part of (Christianity). mormons are NOT Christian and never will be!

Their cult’s god hated blacks till 1978 then he changed his mind so he could garner votes for lds presidential runs!

stop pushing your book of mormon prophecies off on the rest of us!

“Breaking News” LOL…how about that. The left loves this story. It gives them two things: they get to bash intolerant christian conservatives AND at the same it allows them to highlight the fact that Romney is a mormon without appearing to do so maliciously.

christianity has it problems also

This is just dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

You are not putting enough effort, Norbie.

In fact, just about any of your posts read like a list of ignorant wingut talking points, but I digress.

SECULARISM is not a cult, it is not even a religious belief. It is an idea which proposes that Government
 and political views and policies must be SEPARATED from religious beliefs.

That is what that MORON Jeffress just did. He said he cannot support Mittens because “he is not a real xtian” but Parry “is”

I am not supporting any gNOpig. Not because I don’t like their religious beliefs, but because I don’t like their political views. I dislike the gNOpigs especially when they use religious beliefs to denigrate other faiths. Like they did with candidate Obama, questioning if he was a “real Christian” or a mooslin in disguise.

I am sure you Norbie, and the other gNOpigs, already forgot that one.

How can you claim we are a Christian nation when the majority of people support capital punishment? Isn’t it a tenet of Christianity to forgive others?

“Didn’t Jesus tell us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick?”

“Do unto others?”

“Turn the other cheek?”

Michelle!! Come out Come out where ever you are!  HA!!

Romney will probably win the GOP nomination. And he’d have a good chance at winning the general election. In which case he’d have to face Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid, also a Mormon. That could be very interesting.

Btw, you know who else is Mormon? Former National Security Advisor and retired Air Force General Brent Scowcroft.

I said nothing about religion. you are in a cult.

Mormonism NEVER taught that God hates black people.  Contrary to the Bible   the Book of Mormon is anti slavery.

No matter what you say we live in a Christian Nation. Even your lame one term of a president believes and knows it! 

Oops! hahahahahahahahahahah

Show me where ANY mormon leader said God hates black people.

They believe in Jesus. Christ,What else do you want?

The mormon god hated blacks till 78 then changed his mind so he could garner votes and ca$h for lds presidential nominees. Sick!

If he gets the nomination the Republican party will be breaking into different parts and we will need a 3rd party nominee. Romney is NOT a Republican, NOT a Christian, and I will NEVER vote for him!

How many members of the Baptist Church lynched black people.    PLENTY of them did.  They even massacred a MORMON congregation in Tennesee.   How many MORMON lynched black people ?   The answer is ZERO.

x-ing

:-)

Thanks! mormonism is still cultish and un-godly!

ROLFL

Clearly a mormon. black folks do not write that way.

Actually Huntsman was probably the most moderate cadidate they had.

Republicans don’t even know who they are anymore since they let “the New’ Republican Teaparty take  over. Good luck with that President Obama going down thought you have going.

??

Bible thumper war clouds have been spotted.

Bible thumper war clouds have been spotted.

This is exactly why Religion and Politics should never mix.America is a very diverse nation.One of the many reasons we are the greatest nation on earth.

That was the one of the best South Park episodes!

Sure, as you say. Christianity is NOT a racist religion. mormonism is a racist cult.

All religions are cults.

Magic underwear and all?

a holdover from their grifter prophet, Joseph Smith. One thing no one can deny is that he was a capitalist and womanizing liberal! 

You have to have the accessories or you cant come to church!

THANK YOU!

No. He is a mormon attempting to fulfill book of mormon prophecy. they seek to normalize the mormon cult and that will NOT happen while Christians are still breathing.

Well moronism is unpalatable to Christianity. that has nothing to do with the one term president!

no, they just prey on children

Another interview with a pervert…no not a sexual pervert a religion pervert. This little troll is the reason many folks are turned of by Evangelicals. Stop letting the crazy get on camera. 

Im not liberal and I love that people are finally bringing this up! people were ignoring this! saying mitt the mormon is a front runner and somehow glossing over the fact that Christians will not be voting for satan when they go to the polls. 

November 2010 was a message!If the establishment supports mitt the mormon the establishment will cost us the presidency!

Mormonism is NOT Christianity!

Srictly speaking, Christianity is a Jewish cult, Islam is a Jewish-Christian cult, and Mormanism is a Jewish-Christian-Islamic cult. Frankly all religions are superstitious cults.

Why because people dont want book of mormon prophecy soft peddled to them? mormonism is a racist religion. whats wrong with pointing things like that out to our fellow Christians!

“And he’d have a good chance at winning the general election”……You maybe right but I don’t thinkso.I don’t know if you could get enough Replicans to hold their noses and vote. Romney has not had a issue that he has changed position on. Plus the fact he is obtuse,dull and a bore.Not real like.Not genuine. Romney reminds me of a robot president from the Presdents hall at Disney world.Wooden and stiff.

Sorry,

Believes in Science

It is a cult. But it’s no different from Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism or any other religion in that respect. They all demand obedience, a blind faith in an extraordinary creation myth and money to keep them going.

oh so now lies are the currency of lds cult members. the mormon god hated blacks till 78 then changed his mind. if mormons claim to be part of Christianity why do they attempt to weaken the faith. Wait! I know why! its because they arent and have NEVER been Christian! they hate and despise Christianity!

whatever you say. I think the same mormon apologist is just posting under different handles. 

Weak.

Obama’s church was the subject of months and months of intense scrutiny. And even after Rev. Wright fizzled as an issue, the right wing media moved to the whole Muslim thing, which was also discredited. In light of that, why do you think another candidate’s religious affiliations should be off limits when Obama’s was examined for years?

I may not be voting for mitt the mormon but democrats will and so will many republicans who want to see obama fall. 

so get ready for disappointment. your boy is going down!

Which is why Huntsman is toast. He’s sane.

Mormons beleive they become a God of another Planet when they die.  But Planet Kolob is already taken.  That’s where THE God lives.  

I’m getting the impression you don’t like Mormons

Bruce R. McConkie furthers this teaching:

Those who were less valiant in pre-existence and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions impose on them during mortalityare known to us as the negroes. Such spirits are sent to earth through the lineage of Cain, the mark put upon him for his rebellion against God, and his murder of Able being a black skin. . . . Noah’s son married Egyptus, a descendant of Cain, thus preserving the negro lineage through the flood. . . . the negro are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concern. . . . “There is much, much more!Shall I quote your religious lion, brigham young?

No, they believe in the grifter prophet joseph smith! what else do YOU want?

Thats just not true. Mormons did worse, they just used their sick cult to keep it quiet.

Ok, Gotcha………….I think….Well, it sounds as logical as any other religion.

Since when, in this country, are we judged on religion. And since when, is it ok to be so judgmental of something that you know so little of.  It’s as if I were to look at a picture of your family and just spout off what kind of people they are and what they believe. 

 How many of you “enlighted” commenters even have done ANY real investigation as to what Mormons believe. I know you will NEVER find one practicing Mormon say they believe in any Savior other than Christ.

 All LDS religious books focus on Christ, All prayers are in the name of Christ, All lessons/sermons are Christ centered/inspired. How is this not christian.  And the reality is, you will all be hard pressed to find a practicing Mormon say anything so vulgar and judgemental as what can be read here, by many of you who would claim to be a “real” christian.  If you really care to know more…..go to the source: mormon.org. I dare you!

I think you mean Catholicism. Thats not too Christian, either. I agree with you on that!

There is no such thing as magic underwear. “Magic underwear” is a term used by bigots to make Mormons sound strange and ridicule them. Many Mormons wear a garment under their clothing to help remind them of promises they have made to try to serve God. It is as simple as that. People like Cianook go around lying because they feel threatened or have been offended by some Mormon in the past. Or possibly out of some sort of twisted sense of devotion to their church. Certainly Christ wouldn’t do what Cianook is doing.

Denigrating something extremely important and harmless of others is not hilarious or clever. It is ignorant and hateful. Picking on others has always been a great sport for cowards. Mormons are good people in general just like most people of all faiths, or no faith are generally good people. Lets try to keep this a political discussion, and not debase ourselves with ill-informed, and bigoted blather.

the mormon faith is of satan! they think that satan is Jesus’ brother! these people are sick and need help!

Ok……..again, where can you QUOTE where it is said that God hates Black people. Maybe you should find a Black person who is a member of the LDS church and see what they have to say about this. Obviously they don’t have a big of a problem as you do.  

Sorry, but this is a fight between the rightards. We just sit back and laugh. Our participation is NOT required!

LOL

Are you sure about that? I never got past the part in the book where it said I was full of sin cause my skin is brown.

Do they actually get a planet???

LMFAO

It works just fine for me.  I don’t need to take direction from a fictional sky daddy.  The majority of today’s problems are caused by religion…all of them.  John Lennon hit that nail right on the head.  I wouldn’t have so much of a problem with religion if more religious people practiced what they preached instead of “do as I say, not as I do”.  Love one another and mind your own fucking business and this world would be a much better place.  Religion has no place in politics, and yet you have the religious right trying to implement their laws all over the place.  You’re worried about Sharia Law?  Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiit.

I know mormons say I’m going to hell because my skin is brown.

Dare I Say…

That’s all the HELL I needed to know about such a retarded religion!

IF, in 2011, We The People give a rats azz about a dudes beliefs especially if they are still centered around Jeebus, I’d rather have ANY of the “lessor” Jesus based religions than someone who courts the fanatical evangelical crowd.. We will and could easily slide from an Obama-nation to an Osama-nation considering the most radical statements made in the last 5-10 years regarding blowing things up -Fallwell and capital hill- have come from leaders of the mega-christ groups. God bless them for being so devout, but please dont get in the White House.. we dont need prayer when things are rough, we need someone to ACT.

Wrong. I’m not speaking to lobodons because he won’t listen anyway but to anyone who might pass by…

It is NOT Mormon doctrine that members will get their own planet or any such thing. Mormon’s simply believe in eternal progression (i.e. continuing to progress and learn after death). Some members might speculate as to what that might be but it has never been the Mormon position.

This site has a good explanation of what Mormons believe on a number of more nuanced questions.

http://www.fairlds.org/apol/ai201.html

No. The **real** christians will do it. The media will just report it. Expect a lot of jiggly images and video from all the laughter.

it isnt bigotry to point out the weird and often times sick beliefs of the mormon cult. get off it!

stop attempting to push the mormon cult’s book of mormon prophecies off on the American electorate! 

“constitution hanging by a thread” you think everyone in the US is going to magically convert to mormonism? oh, wait! they dont have to because mormons convert everyone after they die to mormonism by posthumous baptisms, right?!

you people need to really get a grip on reality!

Why does your religion say I’m full of sin because my skin is brown?

That hurts my feelings.

…I’d agree that certain “positive atheists” may be doing something sort’ve cult like (making positive affirmations and whatnot) but atheism in and of itself is literally a LACK of something. It has no tenents, rules or regulations, or anything remotely cult like. It’s not structured because it is essentially a default position. If my lacking in your particular faith makes me or people like me “in a cult,” then we’re the busiest cultists in the world since we spend time not believing in the SAME STUFF YOU DO except for the one that you DO.

As the old saying goes, bald ain’t a hair color.

Their little black bible lynched my feelings.

:-(

Always remember, said Confucius. One man’s “cult”, is another man’s “cult”.

Please stop. You’re making me laugh when I’m trying to be sad about the way mormons view me and my peeps.

What’s the problem?

Jesus flew to Arizona to woop ass on the natives.

You telling me that a guy who could walk on water couldn’t fly?

My super hero could kick your super hero’s ass, any day!

I love how you keep changing handles. mormon apologists are all the same, next your going to be pointing out how romney was sort of liberal in massachussetes so democrats can vote for him and hes flip flopped on ALL his positions so Republicans can vote for him, too.

So cynical! mormon apologists are sick!

See??? Now I’m just going to cry. Why do the mormons hate me?

Ok cianook, you really are making yourself sound ridiculous trying to tell over 14 million people what they believe in.

Oh this ought to be good ‘My invisible master is better than your invisible master…”

It doesn’t. More than half of the Church’s population has “brown skin”. Mormon’s were anti-slavery. In fact it is one of the main reasons why they were massacred and illegally thrown out of Missouri and surrounding states.

From your posts I don’t think you are really taking this discussion seriously, which is fine. If that was a serious question then there is your answer

Please, stop lying to people! those that know will continue to point out that mormons believe that satan is Jesus Christ’s brother and God’s son! That is a satanic belief! 

You will never be a god! That is a satanic belief! If a person does not want to be saved you can’t wait till they die to baptize them! that is satanic, ritualistic and sick!

Mormonism is the only racist religion with racism inextricably liked to its founding doctrine, that is sickening! that is NOT of Christ, that is of the devil!

I reject satan as I reject mormonism!

I find it interesting to see how easy it is for you to denigrate another human being. I read the bible and I pay very close attention to the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. You need to go back and read the bible again because you are not following His teachings.

BTW – I haven’t heard Mitt Romney use his book of Mormon onc in any of his campaigns. Nothing in his economic plan either. Funny, no mention of it or his faith in his foreign policy just released.

IF the book of Mormon prophecies teachings, and clothing choices are true, or good, (not that you have clearly stated them – in fact you are just making things up at this point) then I guess we will all see. If not, then you can laugh about all the foolish Mormons and their evil religion. Your time might be better spent out doing something positive in the world.

when all else fails, recruit them! no one can deny the tenacity that satan uses to bring followers to his cause!

Mormonism is NOT christianity! 

McConkie recanted it before he died.  Brigham Young was no more racist than Abraham Lincoln.

Never heard of him.  Safe bet that not to many outside of Dallas has heard of him either, nor would they care what he has to say.

You haven’t noticed?  Those maligning the Morman faith in here are all democrats.

You are lying and you know it. That is cowardly.

Wait, killing innocent people is not in any way anathema to being Christian – in historically  it is a requirement.  

Cults or nuts?

I still love you Michelle

Dude, your a broken record. Mormons are a cult. Their God hates blacks till 78. We got it the first time. You’re fixated. Go read the bible and then follow the example of the Savior because you are giving us Christians a real ba name.

Evidently they do not:
http://www.blacklds.org/

Hey look at that, I have a link too:

http://www.ondoctrine.com/1mormo16.htm

I’m a loony lefty, but I would hope that my right wing internet neighbors can agree with the whole “…no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States” thingy.

We aren’t a theocracy, so I’d hope that we elect people on merit and political philosophy rather than a person’s personal faith (or lack thereof).

I’ll put it this way… I’m an atheist that lives in the deep dirty south… as far as I can recall, I’ve only voted (state and national elections) for people that professed to be Christian. It’s a non issue to me. When we let religion or government have a professional interaction, we’re forgetting Thomas Jefferson’s “Wall of Separation” (letter to the Danbury Baptists) that protects both entities from each other… a State-run church versus a government rule under ancient Biblical/Torah/Quran, etc laws.

Our Constitution is good enough for a country… hell, overt religiosity isn’t even Christian (Matthews 6:5-8).

mormon apologist. thanks for your input but I see past it! you read the book of mormon and you have things confused. what does God say in the bible about false teachings. Yeah, thats what I thought!

And mitt the mormon always brings up his religion on the campaign trail. making weird references to polygamy, something is wrong with that guy, very cultish!

Let’s go with C. All of the above, hehe.

no, Id rather not. I found you a quote where a mormon leader showed hatred for blacks. there is more. the mormon god hated blacks till 78 then he changed hsi mind. 

the token blacks that are members of the lds church are (like Herman Cain said) brainwashed. when all else fails, recruit! that should be a motto of the lds church and it probably is…

mormon apologist. mocking African Americans. Sickening.

mormon apologist. mocking African Americans. Sickening.

Mormons are not Christian, they are mormon. they ceased to be Christian the moment they decided to follow a bigoted, womanizing, liberal that decided to inject masonry into his fictionalized religion. 

Why is it wrong to point out what the mormon cult believes. fact is that it isnt worng. you just dont like when people find out what you believe because you know they will reject it if they get the “meat before the milk”.

Stop pushing your book of mormon prophecies off on the American electorate! 

mormon apologists. Sickening!

oh so now say that Im lying about the things mormons believe because Im striking the nerve, right. sorry, pal! that doesnt work here.

the warped and in fact racist mormon faith needs to be exposed for what it is. Ill be tthe whole romney campaign is posting on this page right now.

lds/romney for president – 2012, right?

Makes me feel guilt because it makes me feel better.

LOL!

Evangelical Bigots are the cultists, quite obvious to me! Making up their own definition of Christian, typically the cult does not have the name of Christ in it, and they engage in some mighty un-Christ like behavior.
Evangelical bigots give Christianity a bad name!

Mormons were not all anti slavery and the mormon gad hated blacks till 78 because he realized he might need their votes and money for lds presidential nominees.

attempting to re-write the history of mormonism is bad enough why lie about it. Stop pushing the book of mormon prophecies off on the American electorate!

Republicans DO NOT want mitt the mormon as their nominee! Plain and simple! if he is we will support a REAL Christian Conservative 3rd party candidate.

Mormon apologist. why do you reject the tenet of your faith and point people to mormon propaganda. willing to reject your beliefs to get a man who Republicans wont even support elected is reprehensible!

We certainly do!
Thank you very much America!
I love you!

mormons are NOT Christian. Youre right Ill be a broken record about it! Ill shout it from the mountain tops! Ill not allow satan to recruit while I have breath!

when in doubt, change your handle and recruit! 

The mormon cult is sickening!

Evangelical Christians have Jesus turning over in his grave. 

LOL – ha ha

heeeeee heh heeee

just because you say it doesnt make it true. The grifter that founded your religion was a racist. the people that lead your church were racist until 1978 when god, sort of, changed his mind about blacks! HE figured it might not be a good idea to wall off support from an entire voting block! but then again brown skin includes hispanics too!

I guess good ol’ Joseph Smith didnt read that in his golden plates, did he?

Then the Curse of Cain ain’t true?

Hallelu-yer! Hallelu-yer! Hallelu-yer!

Mormons are not Christian, they are mormon. they ceased to be Christian the moment they decided to follow a bigoted, womanizing, liberal that decided to inject masonry into his fictionalized religion. Why is it wrong to point out what the mormon cult believes. fact is that it isnt worng. you just dont like when people find out what you believe because you know they will reject it if they get the “meat before the milk”.Stop pushing your book of mormon prophecies off on the American electorate!

James Crugnale, did you bother to get a statement from Perry?  If there is any thread that needs moderating, it’s this one and where are you?  I am personally sickened by the comments, this is definately a black eye for Mediate to allow fools to run amuk.  Sad, very sad.

Sounds like a win win

Yep, the Republican Party is the party of free thinkers.
On the other hand, the Democratic Party = stick to the party line or your racist.
http://www.thenation.com/article/163544/black-president-double-standard-why-white-liberals-are-abandoning-obama

Fact: This thread has liberal chum all over it! By liberals for liberals! Still in 2012 your side falls!

mitt the mormon supporter, its always the same with mormon apologists. we dont care about other people’s religion so dont worry about ours when we convert you after you die! 

something is wrong with you people!

we already know what youre about:

lds/romney 2012! 

Step off!

An hour later and I read this again I and I still laugh!

mormon apologist now quoting the constitution and bible! lets quote the book of mormon on blacks! the mormon god hated blacks till 78 then he changed his mind so he could get money and votes for lds presidential candidates!

Come off it!

As Michelle would say, you don’t have to read it nor comment here.

…I’m also noticing a real lack of Glenn Beck’s name being mentioned (I saw Huntsman brought up earlier) from the real anti-Mormon folks. I’d wager some of the same people being critical of Mitt’s religion more because they don’t like him than what he believes in.

Thats facsinating coming from a person who believes that a womaizing, bigamist, grifter could put a rock in a hat and see golden plates that told him god hated blacks because they turned away from him in heaven!

mormons are NOT Christian.

Dude, we get it, you hate Mormons.  We got it the first 1000 times you said it.  You sound a wee bit off kilter.  You should seek some help for that.

Fact: You can be most annoying at times but we still love ya.

Well, you’re a sweetie for trying. I’ll give you that. 

Perhaps the Curse of Cain is just a myth. No?

You funny.

:0)

You funny as hell.

Just because someone is giving their opinion does not mean they are for the said candidate.

The ones I go to church with seem fine with it.  So do Gladys Knight and Thurl Bailey.  Let Cianook have his hatred.  It seems like he doesn’t have much else to live for. 

No one is cursing. people are pointing out the sickening beliefs of a racist religion. whats wrong with that! The organization with the black eye is the mormon church who had to wait till 78 before they realized god didnt hate blacks and that they are not inferior.

I think youre angry that the threads of the mormon sweater are being pulled and people see that racist t-shirt underneath!

I believe the theme song for the next GOP convention should be….

…….”Send in the Clowns”…..

obama falls in 2012. If mitt is the nominee we will have our 1st 3rd party president since the whigs!

Conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American
male.
Gay bashin’, black fearin’, poor fightin’, tree killin’, regioal
leaders of sales
Frat housin’, keg tappin’, shirt tuckin’, back slappin’
haters of hippies like me.
Tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn
watchin’ lazyass hippies like me.
Tree huggin’, love makin’, pro choicen, gay
weddin’, widespread diggin’ hippies like me.
Skin color-blinded,
conspiracy-minded, protestors of corporate greed,
We who have nothing and
most likely will ‘till we all wind up locked up in jails
By conservative
Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American
males,.

Diamonds and dogs, boys and girls, living together in two
separate worlds
Following leaders of mountains of shame, looking for someone
to blame.

Diamonds and dogs, boys and girls, living together in two
separate worlds
Following leaders of mountains of shame, looking for someone
to blame.
I know who I like to blame:

Conservative Christian, right
wing Republican, straight, white, American males,
Soul savin’, flag wavin’,
Rush lovin’, land pavin’ personal friends to the Quayles
Quite diligently
workin’ so hard to keep the free reins of this Democracy
From tree huggin’,
peace lovin’, pot smokin’, barefootin’ folk-singin’ hippies like me.
Tree
huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn watchin’ lazyass hippies like
me.

Todd Snider

Don’t you both believe in Jesus Christ? Then that would make you both Christians. End of story, buddy boy.

But this wasn’t Westboro. This was First Baptist Church in Dallas. Don’t get more mainstream evangelical that that. People far smarter than you have long told you the Mormonism was going to be a problem for Southern evangelicals. You just refused to listen.

All the major religions are cults with no definitive proof what they say is true. If you think Mormonism is a cult, you know what being an atheist feels like, just multiply that by all religions.

Who said anythting about race? Conservatives bring it up so often, it’s bizarre. Like Limbaugh saying Democrats run a plantation… why would he say that? It makes him sound racist, no Democrats ever brought up Herman Cain and a plantation… the right wing is so psychologically messed up these days.

Well, the subject is “religion”, ya fucking dunce.

Nope, sorry, not Christian.  If you really care to know more… http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org

or We are the Champions! the boy in the white house loses in 2012!

Of course, Michelle-in-Utah, it’s not just a few and they’re not ill-informed. They happen to know Christian doctrine far better than you. The preacher in question pulpits from a very large, very mainline Southern Baptist Church, and he leads or has led the SBC. Deny all you want, but the reality is clear. America fears Mormons.

That must be how he got elected President of the SBC. No one ever heard of him.

I think I know what you’re feeling. I feel the same, although likely for different reasons.

Here, perhaps. The speaker? A tried and true Republican.

Ummm, read the link.
Race is a big talking point for liberals.

It’s nothing personal. It’s only because you’re not White.

Ugh, what a douchebag. Now if you’ll excuse me I need to go watch an abortion being performed on a Christian broad.

You’re schtick is getting a little tired.   Personally, I think Mitt running with help the church.  Sane people (not talking about you here) that are ill-informed about it, might take another look.  In the meantime, if you have any questions about what we believe, please feel free to visit our official website:

http://lds.org/?lang=eng

Oh and Cianook, you especially might enjoy this:

http://www.blacklds.org/

Now, I hope you have a very pleasant evening. 

Questions for the Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Baggers,

Why is being a Mormon a disqualification?

Why do you let the Christian fanatics have so much control over your party?

Im not. willard “mitt the mormon” is a democrat. so is harry ried! which is why I dont support either of them and which is why orrin hatch is trying to become a conservative all of a sudden!

attempting to align yourself with Conservatives wont work when yu have a man who flip flops like a fish out of water on EVERY ISSUE important to fiscal and social Conservatives. attempting to tar and feather Christians because they find mormonism incompatible with their faith is reprehensible! why must Christians and Conservatives be forced into accepting something or someone they dont want to be aligned with? 

you have the problem, you are the liberal. 

I know what you want:

lds/romney 2012!

Im not. willard “mitt the mormon” is a democrat. so is harry ried! which is why I dont support either of them and which is why orrin hatch is trying to become a conservative all of a sudden!

attempting to align yourself with Conservatives wont work when yu have a man who flip flops like a fish out of water on EVERY ISSUE important to fiscal and social Conservatives. attempting to tar and feather Christians because they find mormonism incompatible with their faith is reprehensible! why must Christians and Conservatives be forced into accepting something or someone they dont want to be aligned with? 

you have the problem, you are the liberal. 

I know what you want:

lds/romney 2012!

Yes but the Christian god still hates anyone who isn’t Christian. Especially the gays.

Yes but the Christian god still hates anyone who isn’t Christian. Especially the gays.

Indeed, it does. And, I am a Christian.

You have personally maligned the Morman faith as long as I have been posting here and suddenly are so eager to hide behind an idiot Republican.  You are no different, made from the same cloth.

I have your card michelle and I will play it every time you have the misfortune of commenting under that handle. Im sure you change handles regularly and have been posting this whole time. how is the elect lds/romney campaign progressing? I heard Perry has more money than you! 

Oops! hahahahahahaha

You know, I found out like just a few minutes ago that mormons get to run their own planet when they die and stuff…

And I was all like, “COOL” cause I’m BEAST at playing SimCity.

But then I got the bad news. :-(

DoesThisOffendYou wrote:”Yep, the Republican Party is the party of free thinkers.”……………………..LOL

Liberal (noun) 1).Someone favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties
.
Conservative (noun) 1). Someone who is so narrow minded they have sqeezed the brain out of their skull.

You’re assuming this yahoo is a Conservative.  He seems just off the rails enough to be a liberal plant to me. 

Wise. Good advice.

How can I be in a cult if I don’t believe something……That makes no sense

Jesus ascended to Heaven. He is sitting on the right hand of God. He is not in the grave. The tomb is empty.

If I’m an apologist to anything, it’s the Constitution. As I said, I’m an atheist, I have absolutely no dog in this fight on a religious or racial level… not my fight.

I don’t care for Mitt politically for my own reasons, and I don’t believe in his faith. I’m just pointing out the obvious.

You go right on ahead and attack his faith with everything you got… be my guest. Just remember that the next faith or non faith that becomes the focus-of-hate-du jour could be your own.

OH

MY

GOD

!!

You shouldn’t have admitted that. NEVER admit anything personal about yourself on blogs or chatrooms or discussion boards or email lists or IMs or to telemarketers or bill collectors or strangers who call and do nothing but breath heavily on the phone or to Seth McFarlin or anyone who could potentially roast you on television or [drumroll...] ME! (ya dummy!)

Now I have nothing to live for? No I live to spread the True word! I live to fight satan in all his appearances, even mormonism!

as long as youre not mormon. mormonism is not Christianity.

No need to have your feelings falsely hurt,not that you really were worried about it:

http://www.blacklds.org/

Is this guy for real??????????????/

Is this guy for real??????????????/

Haha, you are pathetic, Michelle.

This is why the Conservatives/Republicans/Tea-Baggers get mocked for “clinging to their guns and religion”.

racist propaganda from a racist cult! a few tokens doesnt change the basis of your faith. it is rotten to the core!

Religion has no place in politics as everybody who brings up religion is just bringing up their BELIEFs………………………………………NO FACTS!!!!

Lookit: We ALL need Jesus here in America–on his magic carpet or not.

Would any of us have jobs without baby Jesus in the manger?

Nope.

So let’s all calm down and forget about which fiction is more factual and tenable than the rest.

Without the Christmas shopping season…we’re ALL screwed!

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I would like to alert those black people in the photograph about the Curse of Cain. They look so happy — they look… 

… Well they look as if that information has been hidden from them, and as a civil right fighter, I feel it is my personal duty to inform them.

MORMONISM – Leeet Myyyy Peeeeepleeee Goooooooooooooooooooooooo

youre right about that! I’m passionate about this subject! I dont want another closet liberal candidate that will only lose an election like Juan McAmnesty! November 2010 was a message and The Republican establishment needs to recognize that!

give it up, pal. 

mormonism is not Christianity. accept that.

if romney is the nominee there will be millions of Republicans that will go 3rd party. we need a united Conservative party. mitt the mormon is NOT our leader.

mormons dont believe that.

Huntsman is a Morman,  George Stephanapolis intros Huntsman as a “motorcycle loving Morman” in the beginning of this video where Jon Huntsman declares that he is a Morman and is very proud of his religion.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/governor-john-huntsman-i-am-mormon-13645705

how many times will you change your handle and post the same racist propaganda.

The mormon church is racist and is of satan! satan is NOT Jesus Christ’ brother. No matter what you say!

Stop lying about your faith. a few token blacks do not make up for the mormon god’s hatred of blacks till 78 when he realized he might need their $ and votes for an lds presidential candidate!

Are you for real? What world do you live in? Every time one of your right wing nutjobs makes an indefensable statement you say it must be those libs screwing with us.

Neither are leprechans

We live in a Christian nation. sorry you didnt get the memo. the majority of democrats: christian majority of Republicans: Christian majority of the US electorate: Christian.

live with it!

and why is it only fanatacism when it comes to Christianity. what about the fanatic athiests. whats that about glass houses!?

Im only a “liberal plant” because Im criticising mormonism and romney and you want to somehow tie your religion to the Republican party. Im not a liberal plant, Im reality. and the problem for you is that there are people who are much more vocal than I am. 

If the either lds presidential candidates are nominated Republicans will seek out a 3rd party candidate and we will have our 1st 3rd party president in a very long time!

I know its hard to live with facts when you believe in the book of mormon prophecy but there just nothing I can do about that!

Free will is as credible as Joseph Smith and his golden tablets.

We all gotta believe in something, don’t we?

No it wasn’t the subject of intense scrutiny,  it was swept under the rug/bus.  He’s been president for onlu almost three years, the discussion of black liberation theology, which is what the church he attended for 20 years preached, was very briefly touched upon during the campaign season, being as though he quickly swept Wright and then grandma under the bus.  hint, losing grandma and Wright was due to racial politics.  It was all  was bured after the speech that was heralded as MLKesque, next best thing to Lincoln.  Pshaw!

Yeah, it’s weird, huh.

It’s like he doesn’t want anybody to know about it or anything!

{insert x-files whistle here}

The Cult were good early on (Death Cult, Southern Death Cult, Sanctuary etc), but they faded, like most cults.

The Cult were good early on (Death Cult, Southern Death Cult, Sanctuary etc), but they faded, like most cults.

Sheesh, I am agreeing with you.  This is all so ugly.

PBS did a job on Jesus making that exact claim. 

Made me think of your typical internet salesman.

whatever you say, pal.

My goodness, found another on the opposite aisle to agree with.  Thanks for lending a bit of sanity to this,,,,can’t really call it a debate, guess we shall call it an insane mess.

“Nice try though, tap-dancing around my linked article” …….WTF you takin’ about? Never watched it, really,

the mormon faith is of satan. Republicans are only idiots if they dont support the lds nominee “mitt the mormon”

Neal, Huntsman is Morman, just so ya know.

Rationalism.

Exactly.

Now you know how the Jews feel about you.

You hitch your wagons to ‘he who wrestles with angels’ and Joey Smith tags along with the Gospel.

Perspective is great, isn’t it?

right wing nut job? 

I cant wait till 2012.

Lets see how the American electorate feels about that! Its november 2010 only now its the boy in the white house and the senate that falls

“Nice try though, tap-dancing around my linked article” …….WTF you takin’ about?

What I’m saying is that a political party that has various factions who freely discuss the issues.  Is better than a party who’s talking-heads and leadership seem to grow angry at intra-party dissent.

Mormons believe in Jesus Christ dude, That would make them Christians. What is it that you do not understand about that?

Religions are ideas like any other, worthy of inquiry, inspection, and criticism.

Don’t tie yourself so tightly to ideas: when they come apart, the pain can be excruciating.

Oh, brother…

Oh, brother…

That’s retarded!

I was always taught to not judge other peoples faith or actions due to their faith.  I was raised a Lutheran, now, Reformation Sunday seemed a bit hypocritical,   some in the congregation seemed to use that to harumph and carry on, but granny’s counsel was what I listened to.  As I was told, those who judge people’s faith might just give them a straight ticket to hell because we are not privey to the last words exchanged between those leaving this realm and Go.  That  He listens to us to the very end, so, it’s not nice to cast aspersions on any of His children.  I believe that includes all faiths and,  we are all a work in progress, He’s never done with us.

Always keep in mind that this is a blogboard.  What you see is not always what’s real.

Anyone can pretend to be anything.

What? I thought you loved me and stuff?

You care to explain why you are privy to such information?  Some angel whisper in you ear?  You do know that Jesus was never in a grave and he didn’t stay very long in that tomb.  Kind of a dumb, waste of bandwidth, eh?  I mean if you don’t even know the story…….

Only in the sense that there are more Christians than any other religion. Christianity has no greater authority or prestige than any other religion. In fact they can’t even agree with each other half the time.

For some reason the Christian god forgot to tell the Mormon god that he had finally decided African Americans could have equality back in the 60s. Evidently there’s some bad communication coming from wherever god is, because nobody seems to agree on anything.

My grandpa has an annoying bird
Everytime I go over there and turn on Sesame Street it says

Liberal Plant
Liberal Plant
AAARRRGHGHG

I see the Liberals
you must be the chum

Vodka Martini? Dry? Gray Goose?

While we should take pleasure in watching the rightwingers devour themselves, it is also a tragedy because there are millions of ‘good’ Christians who are really upset about these hypocrites continuing to disrespect Jesus Christ and degrade Christianity. The Southern Baptist evangelicals are the worse because they use to  be simply conservative decent Christians, but now they’ve totally allied themselves with some of the most backward elements in America. The Mormons, while having some kooky things in their background, have or are trying to evolve and become more seriously involved with practicing the teachings of Christ. Let’s face it, Perry is a conniving, uneducated character, capable of doing terrible things to support his backward, money backers along with bigots like the Rev. Jeffress, who is definitely a phony Christian.

She’s got a good head on her shoulders.  She doesn’t stick around for these games.

What’s pathetic is the grown men who play them.

You have no idea what I think, but I will tell you what angers me.  I don’t believe anyone, anywhere has the moral right to judge anyone’s faith especially if they consider themselves a christian and believe in the power of God.  I believe your relationship with God is personal, that personal relationship includes all faiths and to sit and judge anothers faith as a christian is sadly ignorant.  Those same people in a nutshell are telling us they can’t trust His power, that it is their judgement that should determine who gets through the pearly gates or burns.  I don’t believe any of you have that power, if so, turn me into salt.

I can tell you for a fact that Robert Jeffress looks down his nose at everyone who does not follow what he believes. When he lived in Wichita Falls, as the pastor at First Baptist Church, he did nothing but raise cane with the synagogue. He loves to judge.

I do. 

But oh, brother…

very briefly?
People like Hannity helped him get elected with nonstop terrorist black church crap.
All the republicans who wanted to talk policy were labeled RINOS and now look

“REAL AMERICANS” are not afraid of the BOOGIEMAN

What are your thoughts on Rev. Wright’s black liberation ”the-ol-ogy”?

Right, because Christianity doesn’t have any bizarre beliefs,..at all.

probably not.

I will agree with you on that! Although I have been drinking .I mean hell, it is Friday night!

You think Romney’s a racist?

Used to be.

Thank You! Thats what I tried to tell them. It isn’t like Mormons believe in Budda.

You’re going to hell because you’re an effing imbecile.

seems to me there were a whole lot of racist Christians in the south who wouldn’t even let African American’s in their churches on Sunday.

I’d say anyone who believes that god wrote a book of instructions for us, is just as much a part of a cult as anyone who has three books of instructions.

You have no idea what I’m thinking, or who I want to run because I have not made that decision for myself.  I have not committed to any of the candidates running for the nomination, at this time I know who I am not likely to support, but you don’t have that that insight into my thoughts and as of yet I haven’t mentioned anything to anyone.

Romney is followed all over the place. Nothing reported that would support your claims. Bring facts, not vitriolic rhetoric.

Pathectic? You know I love you baby. What about our continuing threads we have started together?. Think of them as our children.What about our childen.  Your beautiful darling. That slender martini glass with that sweet olive just drives me wild.

cianook – I’m going to use your own words in relation to your claim that you are a Christian. “Just because you say it doesn’t make it true.”

got that right.

Good luck getting any thoughts about that.  I’m sure they privately squirm a bit and then ignore the question.

That is so much like the cultish Troubling Egotistical Ambivalent (TEA) party which were willing to take down the US debt even at their own expense! The TEA party led and infused Republican/GOP party are fighting the Sarbanes Oxley act of 2002 and the Frank Dodd Act because these two acts provide guidelines and  restrictions put into place resulting from the recession of 2007 and 2008! There were major corporate and accounting scandals like Enron and Worldcom which cost investors billions. Mitt Romney’s religion is not a cult as they are being portrayed. These guys did the same to John F Kennedy! Rick Perry allowed an innocent man to be executed in the name of Texas, while acting preacher-like in the Football stadium in Houston! Perry is a hypocrite! Evangelicals are hypocrites as well as they cannot see the good in man, only the “Evil”? Here in Texas, we know full well Perry’s gross incompetence and Troubling Economic Antagonist­(TEA) party! Rick has a trick up his sleeve with in-state tuition for children of illegals! I just love that “Deer in the headlights” look on his face when he got hammered in Florida!  Immigration has long been a contentious issue dogging border politicians, while the Terrifying Errant Activist(TEA) party took this issue and ran smoke screen and lies changing security issues into political grandstanding! Rick Perry said he ready to send troops into Mexico to battle the drug cartels. This Troubled Erring Antagonist(TEA) party-er is drinking too much TEA in his TEA!

funniest thread ever

If you really want to know what they believe, go to their official website. Going to any other place is the equivalent of going to Bank of America to learn about Wells Fargo. For me, this whole conversation has just gone overboard.

The good news is that aliens, who had wanted to take over our planet just abandoned their plan. The reason? They just read all these posts and determined that there is no intelligent life on earth.

Blah, blah, blah.  Man would I love to see your face when Mitt is elected.  That will be truly priceless.  Of course, I’m not a religious bigot like you so I’d be fine with Perry or Cain too.  Now take your meds and go to bed, sweetie.

Bzzzzt. Wrong. Sitting here replying to you is proof that I’m ALREADY in hell, moron!

Haven’t heard it, but I bet it scares the shit out of you.

Funny how the host felt the need to spell out the word cult for us. Shame the host and guest dribblers don’t read definitions apply to words they use. 

Cult definitions:  
1) Followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
2) An interest followed with exaggerated zeal
3) Followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
4) A religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false
5) A system of religious beliefs and rituals

Definitions would suggest all religions are cults.

Baptists are a bigoted hate group cult, engaged in anti everyone but baptists, they don’t even have the name Christ in their cult church name.

Nothing in your last post has anything to do with me or anything I said.

…yeah man, that’s why I brought up Glenn… also why I think it’s just a dislike of Mitt more than a dislike of his religion. Cheers!

YAY! RELIGION FIGHT!!!!

My money’s on the Baptists because most of them are completely bat shit insane. They say the New Testament erases the bad stuff in the Old, but then condemn homosexuality when that’s only mentioned in the Old Testament. They LIE! YOU CAN’T TRUST THEM!

But you can say that about all religions. I know if there is a God out there he’s disgusted at what these militant Christians are doing and saying in His name.

If you really want to know what they believe, go to their official website. Going to any other place is the equivalent of going to Bank of America to learn about Wells Fargo. For me, this whole conversation has just gone overboard. 

I’m afraid to go to their website. I invited two of them into my house one afternoon because they were very polite and well dressed, young, cute you know…

But when they started talking, I started to sense evil. I couldn’t understand why they were looking at me with such hate. I swear, it was like I was in some weird vampire movie. Their eyes turned really dark without any kind of warning or anything. 

Then one of them lunged at me! He held his bible at my neck like it was a damn knife and demanded I tell them where the lost coins were. I told them I gave those old, rusty fake things to the Evangelicals that stopped by earlier. (Of course I was lying. They were copper, NOT gold!)

Then just like that! They left in search of the ***real*** Jesus followers. 

I never saw them again. 

and because the mormon cult uses Christ’s name to recruit for satan, this gives them some sort of cover?

you believe in not believing, fanatically.

SIckness! more people agree with me than you. Remember that when your boy in the white house is humiliated by the American electorate…

All religions are a cult.  Let’s move on.

(Buzzer) Wrong! mormon apologists are all the same. Society caught up to god after slavery and jim crow. you just hate that Christians willnot support lds/romney 2012!

Oops! hahahahahaha

Fact is mitt the mormon makes jokes about himself and his religion all the time. you just cant stand facts. dont hate me hate the lds/romney campaign for their religious crusade to have a mormon in the white house to fulfill book of mormon prophecy….

you committed to the lds/romney campaign the moment the lds/romney started their campaign. 

You can never get the truth out of a mormon, youre just supposed to join and never question, well no thanks!

Thats what I say about mormonism. it isnt Christian. no matter what they sayt hey never will be. You only criticize me because I dont support your lunatic candidate who believes that baptizing the dead and converting them to mormonism is okay.

No, its fact. you are trying to start trouble! 

So step off!

I cant wait till election night, youre going to be crying in your pillow when that boy in the white house is voted out and sent back to wherever hes from!

“the boy”?  That’s mighty white of you.

Name some. if you can. 

I have a name for you: kolob

Yeah, give me a break!

Only because I dont support “mitt the mormon”. If establishment Republicans choose this cult member to lead our party people will leave our party. Thats REAL! 

Don’t disparage me because I dont suport the lds/romney ticket! 

It must really suck to know that I exist and that I will be voting against the lds/romney ticket in the primary and for a 3rd party candidate in the election if he is nominated. 

you must hate that!

it has a place when a cult is attempting to fulfill their book of mormon prophecies and push their faith off on the American electorate that never asked them to.

Youve been watching to much mormon beck show to even respond to that! the topic is: mormons not being Christian. dont attempt to deflect that! the lds/romney ticket will cost us the presidency! we need a Real Christian Conservative who hasnt flip flopped on whether hes breathing or not!

The mormon God never hated blacks, but Mormonism declared that they couldn’t serve as elders in the church (and forbade interracial marriage, among other things) until the 1970s.  Mormons today try to gloss over this obvious racism (to their credit, most seem embarrassed by it–so I don’t think most modern Mormons are racist), but the fact remains that Blacks were seen as second class people for the vast majority of the Mormon Church’s history.

He was alive before 1978 and accepted his religion’s teachings. you tell me.

More mormon apologetics! attempting to weaken the faith you claim to be a part of. mormons are not christian the smithtian.

Oops! hahahahahahahah

YOu don’t believe what I believe because you are NOT Christian (if you are mormon) you say you do but the meaning of your words is twisted and we dont have the same interpretation. 

stop lying to yourself and to people that dont know!

I find it so hard to accept the fact that in our America of today we are as dumb as the people who lived in the year 1200 and even the people who lived in the year one.  There are actually idiots out there who aren’t quite as worried about how this country will be run as they are about what a potential candidate believes about God. How provincial are these people?  You are talking about the word “believe” or the word “belief”.  I once believed in Santa but ah the disappointment.  Also the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.  However, this Baptist apparently actually spoke himself to God and God Himself answered by way of our Judeo-Christian bronze age Bible, the 2nd part, that the only way to God is through Jesus and not only that, but only through Jesus as this minister interprets Jesus.  Now I personally don’t believe Joseph Smith saw an angel unless it was an hallucination but if believing this makes Mr. Romney happy, does it really matter kids?  The Baptist minister will no doubt be the butt of jokes until the next joke comes along.  He sounds as dumb as the lawyer in Tennessee who stood in front of a judge and argued that Islam was not a religion.  

I am not even a Republican, nor a Democrat.  I vote for whomever I think the best candidate is.  When I was a young girl this country was all hyped up about JFK possibly allowing the Pope to run America.  If Romney can do the job he can believe the man in the moon is God as far as I am concerned.  If only there was somebody decent to run against the incumbent who has an actual idea that could pass, I would be happy.  As Bill Maher said last week, we would not elect Jesus as President because America just might not be ready for a Jew in the position.  America needs to grow up.  

P.S – It is low politics when the candidates totally are awful and there is nothing left but to knock a man’s religious beliefs.  I would certainly not vote for Perry.  Way, way too Christian for my liking.  That’s like being way, way too Muslim.  I like a President who keeps his soul between himself and his God, and leaves the rest of us to our beliefs, whatever they are.  When we believe something it means we don’t necessarily have an answer.  For instance I believe I will be rich one day.  Now that isn’t going to happen but I believe it.  Exactly what does that belief mean?  Absolutely nothing. It is a mere hope.  And no, neither am I an atheist.  I have hope there is a God.  I have hope of a Heaven.  However even the first Queen Elizabeth knew well enough after her sister, bloody Mary Tudor, to say she didn’t want to crawl into men’s souls.  

Maybe the Baptist leader’s religion is a cult?  Yes, Jesus said the way was through him.  Well, the Bible says he said it.  You must take the word of the Bible for that line.  Then again David Koresh said the way was through David Koresh.  We killed him off promptly.  We said he ran a cult.  How do we know Jesus wasn’t running a cult?  The truth is that this is about belief.  So if Romney wants to believe in the golden plates, ok, let him.  The real question is can he be a good President?  

Amen to that.

Christianity may be the dominant religion,  meaning more people are Christian than any other religion here in America.  But it sure doesn’t have to be that minister’s brand of Christianity.  For instance, Lincoln was a Christian but I doubt he would like the Baptist leader telling him what to think within the recesses of his soul.  The Baptist leader is a powerful fool who thinks he has the hot ticket to life after death.  Why do we need a leader who has our view of God?  I do not get that idea.  This country wasn’t this stupid throughout our history.  What has gotten into us since 9/11?  Thoughts like his could easily take us backward in time right to before the Reformation and land us in the middle of the Catholic Inquisition.  Such surety this side of the grave is foolhardy and moreover, dangerous.  

I view Mormons as Christians.  They believe Jesus is the Savior.  

Nobody should worry.  There will be no more Joseph Smith’s because we would give him first a psych evaluation and get him on meds real quickly.  If Jesus lived today and was roaming America, we would get him on meds too sad to say.  

I meant “secular” as in keeping his religion separate form his politics. He’s a “Mormon, eh? Well, that just means that he has no shot in the general, just like Romney. Wow, I had no idea that every candidate in the GOP primaries is a science denying, “Christian Nation” proponent. Obama II is looking more and more likely everyday.  

1st you say the mormon god never hated blacks then you tell of how the mormon faith discriminated against them. what apologists like you never want to admit is that the grifter, bigamist, womanizer, liberal  scumbag joseph smith said that blacks had dark skin because they turned away from god.

So, yeah. the mormon god hated blacks till 78. Then he changed his mind when he thought he might need their votes and ca$h for the lds presidential candidates.

Your comment is a little too intelligent and rational for this site…….but you echo my thoughts exactly…nice job

He must have touched a freaking nerve? Ahhhhhhhhh

Prejudice didn’t exactly disappear after laws were passed to force equal treatment. I’m not a fan of any organized religion. I was just pointing out how foolish it is to call Mormon’s racist since racism was pretty popular in southern Christians. It’s also foolish to make fun of Mormon beliefs as if Christianity isn’t rife with goofy traditional beliefs. I suspect you’re just talking smack to entertain yourself by trying to rile people up. Your ignorance isn’t really unique. 

I stand with Mark Twain on Mormonism. Pretty much stand with Twain on all religion, it is public entertainment meant to distract folks from actually looking after their interests and truly helping themselves and their fellow men.

I told ya, this is the stinky reason why Mitt can’t get ahead, after running for 5yrs. He is not just going to cut it in the GOP, they’ll have anyone before they have a Mormon. 

If I can? It’s not even a challenge.   Virgin birth. Walking on water. Rising from the dead. Commanding others to rise from the dead. Jesus controlling the weather, turning water into wine. And let’s not forget the ones they share with our Jewish friends, {whom at least can see them as metaphors} Parting of the Red Sea, A speaking donkey, The Syrian Army smitten with blindness and then cured of blindness, Jonah and the whale, thrown into a furnace and walking around without being burned,

Christian beliefs qualify as bizarre, but they don’t really qualify as original. Besides these obvious ones the ones that seem more bizarre to me is the idea that an all powerful creator of the universe would need to send his son in physical form to die in order to forgive us our sins and if you don’t acknowledge that , you’ll be eternally punished, or that this all powerful creator had men write a book of instructions that would be the final authority, even though believers have wildly different interpretations. 

Mitt has been running for 7 years. His full time job.

There’s a serious problem with you’re reading comprehension if you’ve taken me for a Romney supporter. I’m just a supporter of decent reasoning skills and was pointing out the obvious flaws in yours.

Here’s a great example of the horrible reading comprehension and bad reasoning skills I previously mentioned. Have fun spamming

this is rather typical of the evangelical movement especially in the south. Megachurches are basically used for political endorsements rather than for any kind of spiritual guidance.

Apparently, you are obsessed with it

Dude, you belong to a party which actively purges its candidates and calls them RINOs. You belong to a party which does like libertarianism, but is glad ton take your money. You’re the party of Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell, and that nut from Alaska ….you just gave up THREE Senate seats in the last election because the mainstream nominee was not conservative for the “free thinkers” you insanely believe reside in your party. Rick Perry fell from grace because he violated conservative orthodoxy by being less than an ass to immigrants.

The republican party is collection of ideologues. Ask Limbaugh

Then somebody better be ready to vote the Mormon who is gonna be the Republican nominee

Who cares if the President is Christian – they could be Druid for all I care.  You do realize many of the founding fathers were atheists dont you?

Anyway if you vote third party because you dont like his invisible Master, or because your invisible Master is better so be it.  I hardly think it will matter.  BTW I would love to hear your views on President Obama and whether he is a Christian…

What Mormon God? Mormons believe in the same God as everyone. The God of the Bible. Maybe you should find out something about Mormons before you say stupid comments like that

cianook,  Wasn’t the story of Cain and his descendents being cursed from the Bible? Is the God of the Bible who you call the “Mormon God”. There are Black Mormons in case you didn’t know.

Ronald Reagan had a saying to “not speak badly about another Republican” and while I don’t have it exactly right he was RIGHT! We are assisting the Democrats by giving them arguments to convince the Independents and the Middle to vote Against our probable candidate! Does anyone really think that Romney would not be a better President than OBAMA??? Seriously that is what we need to focus on who can win?

When are the Mormons going to wake up and see that they have been supporting a party of HATE and just walk away from the Republican Party.  Republicans claim to be the true Americans, but they can’t even respect one of the most basic rights in this country, freedom of religion.  We shouldn’t even being having this conversation!

Volt,  you’re more full of crap than a Christmas turkey.

Good thing women like that in a man.

To be honest with you, I’m no fan of any religion. I find it hilarious that any Christians would try to attack Mormons for their position on slavery. Not forgetting your history, are you?

Mormons NEVER forbade interracial marriage.

Mormons don’t like Brown skin?   The first people they tried to convert to Mormonism was the Indians until the government made them stop.     The mormons got kicked out of Missouri because they were anti slavery.

:-)

“Dude, we get it, you hate Mormons. We got it the first 1000 times you said it. You sound a wee bit off kilter. You should seek some help for that.”  ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,This one I did like!…LOL!  

LOL!

True ‘dat!

Our country needs excellent leadership without the hatred and bigoted labeling this Robert Jeffres espouses.  What gives him the authority to proclaim that his way is the only way to believe and that all others are going to hell?  The Mormons that I know are better Christians than anyone I have ever met.  They believe in Christ and follow his teachings.  I’ve never heard them condemn another person for beliefs which don’t line up with theirs.

I even forgot then pledge ALL Republicans sign which makes them Grover Norquist’s slave. Signing that pledge is a real sign of “free thinking”

Why would you even waste the print space on this ignorant soul. Each is entitled to practice their religion in this country according to their inner voice and family tradition. Romney’s religion is supposed to be a measure of his moral values, however, he has long forsaken any VALUE SYSTEM “based on love of GOD, love of neighbor” in favor of political prowess and financial success. His new value system is shaped by the decisions he has made as an adult and the ones he had made in public office. He started out caring about his fellow man and SOLD OUT to the quest for wealth and power. He headed up a company, that dismantled other companies and caused misery to hundreds and lost jobs to many others. He is what he is. But he does not SERVE , he wants to RULE.

Nothing makes a tread get so long really fast then religion! Jesus save us all!

The Mormon god, the Christian god?  How many gods are there?  We don’t all have enough trouble with one God?  The Mormon “god” didn’t hate anybody.  The Mormon people didn’t accept blacks.  Different thing entirely.

I do not personally know any Mormons but my son does and says they are lovely people.  That being said, all and any of my complaints concerning this Baptist leader arise out of my love for the freedom we have always thought we had in America, freedom to worship God any way we wanted to, or not worship at all.  

I am no particular fan of Romney but will defend his right to worship any way he wants to worship, as I wrote during the night, even if he wants to think the man in the moon is God.  A man’s soul is between himself and God and none of my business.  There is something wrong with religion in America when our ministers try to tell congregants how to vote.  That feeds right into the cry of the atheists when they say that religion is a curse because it is all about power.

They are grudgingly saying they accept Pres. Obama’s claim he is a Christian.  They say it while sneering at the thought.  Their disbelief in that is apparent.  Obama isn’t Christian enough for them.  He isn’t white enough for the blacks or black enough for the whites.  They forget that the worst part is that he failed to give us ‘change we could believe in’ when many Americans thought him the new messiah.  

My feeling is that with Republicans trying to figure out who is Christian enough for them, they will in the end, get Obama back for a second term.  The Republicans are mucking things up for themselves.

No, Donow, these people do not realize the founding fathers only gave lip service to Christianity but were basically atheists.  They refuse to believe history.  They are making it up as they go.

Therefore it is political power being wielded in these churches and they have little to do with worship or spiritual guidance.  And they have nothing to do with Jesus because Jesus said to love everybody.  

I would believe that.  It is either this man’s way or the hell way in his eyes.  Then again it is only his eyes we are talking about.  His religion is right and everybody else is wrong.  He must have a hotline to God!  Yeah right.

Thank you.  It just dawned on me I am basically arguing with this Cianook person and totally wasting my time.  It’s like arguing with a drunk.  

Havn’t heard from True’dat.

Everyone is in some kind of cult in one way or another. Unless that person lives alone like a hermit. . Even that would probably  be considered as a person being in some of  hermit cult.

I BELIEVE IN EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING!
YES, I BELIEVE.

Gimme that old time religion, Sing everyone sing!

f Robert Jeffress would
stand back and watch some of the things his Evangelicals accept as good
business practices in the world of Politics, he would hesitate to say Mitt
Romney belongs to a cult. These two comparisons are like the kettle calling the
skillet burned. Which means one is not better than the other according to just
plain common sense.

Thank you Mormon haters!  You helped me make up my mind!!  You and this guy Jeffress will be surprised if you’re lucky enough to reach the gates of Glory how many people of differing beliefs are there. But thank you for helping me make up mind on whom to support for President.  Go Gov. Romney!!

Are you a true Christian?

You’re an idiot!  Must be a follower of the anointed one:  Barack Obama!!

Next the shmuck Jeffrees is going to call for jihad against Mormons! Oh wait that the the other extremists…..

Gee, and I thought this conversation was about Mitt Romney the FLIP/FLOPPER who was called much worse by an obscene southern baptist preacher who elevates himself as judge of what Mormonism means to Mitt Romney.

You’ve always had to have the accessories to come to church in Christianity. 
1 Cor 11:2-16

What would be nice is that we could get religion out of politics. This nut case, Jeffress, is just another fine example of idiot Southern wacko religious sickos.

Sharon Angle was weird, and most repubs didn’t like her. But, John Edwards didn’t reflect positively on the Democratic Party.

Rick Perry’s problem is that he stated something that others disagree with – but he’s not being purged from the party. Do you believe tharigideloyaltyty to a party figure-head is a purge? You’ve proved my poinDemocraticcs believe that if you don’t display aunfalteringnloyaltyty to the party ideology, then something is wrong with you. Why is Melissa Perry-Harris attacking other liberals, just because they disagree with party leadership? The answer – rigid ideology…http://www.thenation.com/article/163544/black-president-double-standard-why-white-liberals-are-abandoning-obama

Yesterday somebody told me I was being too rational for this group but apparently it was mostly cianook I was responding to and then I realized it was like talking to a drunkard.  I was appalled when I read many of the comments but am going to hope that most Americans are not bigots.  I like Mediaite because they gather so much content and allow us to watch the best without lots of commercials, something so many sites are not good enough to do.  The bit about the Baptist minister I caught on TV and after a cooling off period I realize that once again we are talking about free speech in America.  So though I deplore what the Baptist leader had to say, I have to give him his right to say it.  

In America we need to allow even the bigots to speak.  Then we need to ignore them.  That’s the bottom line.  However, I would not vote for a candidate who would allow this minister to speak for him.  That leaves the best candidate as Mr. Romney thus far I believe.  Plus, no American should care what Mr. Romney’s religion is.  I do take exception when the claim is made that Mormons are not Christians though.  But, I guess to the minister, neither are Catholics, so what is there to do with a man like that other than to let him blow off wind and forget he exists?  

It is really so difficult to see Americans fighting over religion in the 21st century.  Very disappointing.  Shows how close to superstition we are.  No doubt Lincoln, Jefferson, plus Ben Franklin are all turning over in their graves.

Doesn’t this crazy baptist pastor make people offended by his remarks!  Who is he to say a hateful remark such as this?
He claims HE is a christian, but doesn’t speak like a christian….or does he?  Seems the christian right is spewing a lot of hatred these days.  I absolutely will not vote for Mr. Romney, but Romney should go after this pastor in a big way.

I agree!  I also don’t like that other cult that’s attempting to fulfill their book of Christian prophecies and push their faith off on the American electorate that never asked them to.

who the hell is Melissa Perry versus who the hell is Rush Limbaugh?

BTW< I suggest you look into the meaning of the phrase "You've proved my point" because it does not mean what you think it does

Lobodons is saying Jesus wouldn’t approve of the religious right’s insanity and that He’d be turning over in His grave– but Christians think Jesus rose from the dead. 
See? He is being clever.
You just didn’t quite get it.
The undead zombie Jesus is just one of the crazy things that Christians believe in, which makes their beliefs sound just as bizarre and crazy as Mormonism.

I don’t believe what you believe because what you believe is wrong and crazy.

You are EXACTLY why I am not a Christian.

He’s not a liberal plant.
You can’t fake conservative religious stupidity that well.

First, you need to re-read the beginning of this thread. You seem to have strayed off topic. The point was although Republicans argue alot with each other, they do not attack each other by calling them “racists” or other such BS.
Second, did Rush Limbaugh ever slander fiscal-conservatives and Libertarians for disagreeing with the Bush administration? No, he did not, he understands that the Republican Party is a mix of competing ideas and philsophies. But where’s the diversity of opinion in the Democratic Party? Nowhere, to dare disagree with party leadership, is to dare being attacked by the Democratice Party.

Asked and answered. You can go ask Orin Hatch and Dick Lugar about conservative’s purity requirements: both are about to be primaried for supposed heterodoxy. Go ahead and find me a Democratic Senator being primaried from the Lefty….I’ll wait…..oh, good you’r eback with the answer of 0.

Here’s a link to Limbaugh decrying long-time Republicans, Susan Collins and Olympia Snow
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200910130035

Here’s Limbaugh spear-heading the defeat of anohter Republican for a lack of purity. Poor Dede Scozzafava, she never had a chance

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Limbaugh-RINOs-Elites-Palin/2010/11/05/id/376186

Here’s Limbaugh attacking Mitch Daniels for not being conservative enough

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2011/05/09/rush-limbaugh-rino-wimp-mitch-daniels/

The Republican party is a groups ideologues in search of other ideologues and they kick you out of the Party if you do not toe the party line. Hurry, find us a Republican who believes in Climate Change? Pro-choice?

PS Ever answer the question about the single-minded pursuit and worship of Grover Norquist?

So if I run as a fical-conservative libertarian in the Democratic Party. The Democratics would all embrace me and vote for me, simply because I’m running as a Democratic? Then again, the Democrats probably would, as party loyality seems to be so vastly important to them.

First I’m not a fan of MediaMatters, maybe Leedog would be more interested.  At least my links were from the Liberal “The Nation” website attacking other dissenting liberals.

Again you fail to understand that political dissent within a party is NOT a negitive thing.  Hell, you should be happy with a “purge” the Republican Party, as most neo-conservatives are the ones being called RINOs.  Maybe the Democratic Party will take them back, as neo-cons belonged to the Democrats, pre-Vietnam War.

And Rush is wrong about Mitch Daniels (there I go again, disagreeing with GOP talking-heads).  Mitch is a social moderate but a strong fiscal conservative (as I’m I).  So since you seem unable to disagree with Melissa Harris-Perry, I must assume that you agree with her, white liberals are racists, right?

timb116,
First it is Orrin Hatch, who is it that is running against Sen. Hatch? No one has announced that they will run against Hatch. Jason Chaffitz the most talked about possibility announced on September 23, 2011 that he will not run for Senate. http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_9e030e35-be4d-5507-9c49-01c00f1a5354.html
Luger’s competition will be a IN State Treasurer Richard Mourdock, a Conservative.

Mr. Romney will modulate how he goes after this bigot because it would look bad for his campaign.  He would do best to by and large ignore the bigot.  The bigot gives Christians a bad name.  Not all Christians are stupid, nor are all Christians bigots.  

During his 15 minutes this past weekend, he continued on other TV channels by literally saying qualifications and ability mattered not, only a Christian candidate should matter.  If Perry keeps him, all Perry will actually get is perhaps Texas to vote for him.  The Baptist leader is a liability to Perry as that so-called Chicago pastor was to Obama.  

Mormon is cult. even though they call themselves Christians. Mitt Romney is gonna have a hard time me winning the south. Alabama, south Carolina, Misssippi, Kentucky, Lousinana. these are all very Evangelical Christians states that would  not vote for candidate  who is mormon.  The few states that Romney would do good are Utah, Idaho , Nevada. but the Evangelicals out numbered the mormons. When u have Warren Jeff representing the Mormon faith does help him.

While “Christians” were enslaving negroes, raping slave women and selling their own offspring into a lifetime of hard labor, opression and poverty, while “Christian” patriots were forming the the KKK and persecuting and hanging both blacks and their Mormon defenders, Joseph Smith was running for president on a platform of freeing the slaves, and when the KKK rose to become the national enforcement arm of Democrat terrorism, only the Mormons and the Mormon Deseret News dared speak out openly against them, which was retaliated for by good anti-Mormon southern “Christians” by murdering and torturing about a dozen Mormon missionaries in the south. It’s not quite as simple a question as you make it out to be. The Southern Baptist Convention only conceded that negroes have souls and are capable of salvation in 1994.

A couple of corrections. Christianity gave us the Inquisition, Calvin’s Geneva, which was a Puritan hellhole of torture and heretic burning, not to mention the Crusades, American slavery, which was legistated right out of the Bible, and actually, for its first couple of hundred years Christianity was a Jewish cult. The word cult however, was so poisoned from the late 1950′s to the mid 1980′s by characters like Walter Martin, Hank Haanegraff, the Christian Research Institute, and James Kennedy, that the word isn’t used any more in the academic world. “Emerging Religions” is the term now applied. The anti-cult, anti-occult, anti-anyone but us craze that profited a host of evangelical “Christians” in the seventies and eighties in particular, put Christian jackasses on the air like Bob Larsen, who would set up alleged teens from metal bands to come challenge him on-air, at which point their demons would emerge and Bob would put on a regular medicine-show debating Satanic imps as the shills would croak and groan in their best death-metal demon voices. (With frequent breaks for Bob to plead listeners to send cash and save his ministry.)

So, “historic” Christianity has spent 2000 years killing itself off for not being the “right” sort of Christian, and granted, Joseph Smith’s whole message was that this thing calling itself “Christianity” is way off the mark, thus Mormonism is not “Christian” in any orthodox sense. But this presumes that orthodox Christianity can be defined, which it hasn’t been able to do in two-thousand years, and it presumes that orthodox Christianity isn’t in fact the product of Hellenized Roman philosophy based primarily upon Plato’s “Perfect Being Theory.” All evidence from the Church Fathers proves it is just that. It also presumes that the Bible is inerrant, which again, even from an informed historical Church perspective, is an asinine claim, since Christianity has killed itself back and forth for most of its history over arguments based around translations and interpretations of its various books, including which should and shouldn’t be included.

The word “cult” actually applies to any emerging religion, despite Walter Martin’s successful perversion of its neutral connotation by culturally beating it into his own shape until it now implies some Satanic or occultic connection. Actually, in anti-Mormon terminology, which has been ignorantly accepted by general Christians of good intellectual and spiritual intent as well, anyone or anything that doesn’t meet the anti-Mormonist’s definition of “Christian” is by default a “cult,” because in orthodox Christianity, man is born of a vile, filthy carnal act, Satan is the rightful physical and spiritual father of mankind. Satan is Lord of the natural man, the God of this earth, and unless Jesus is begged to change this physical and spiritual relationship, hell and damnation is mankind’s rightful inheritance. Non-Christians are literally the born agents of Satan, and thus cannot be part of governing a Christian Nation. Even the good things a non-Christian does are evil. America they believe, is a Christian Nation and the Bible supersedes the Constitution.

Mormons, well, they almost worship the Constitution and believe God inspired its authors to build a political structure in which all mankind can prosper and worship Him as they see fit.

I know which bunch I’d be afraid to have in the White House…

http://lrwhitney.wordpress.com/category/12-all-hail-the-protestants-part-4-that-old-time-religion/

http://lrwhitney.wordpress.com/category/15-all-hail-the-protestants-part-7-one-nation-under-god/

Oh Leroy, I learned a few days ago, do not even bother sending out anything resembling a rational message to cianook.  Tim Tebow said it correctly 3 days ago, “my superstitions are better than your superstitions!”  

At the time Dan Brown wrote “The DaVinci Code” and everybody in America at least, was over-concerned about whether his novel of fiction was the truth or not, he gave a lecture where he stated something like the following:  We are all the religion of our fathers. — That is so profound because by and large, that is what we are, the religion of whatever family we were born into.  If not so, then we picked up a religion for ourselves on our own, one that fits our needs because it does seem we were born with a need to believe in something.  

That being said, no human alive knows more than the other because nobody knows what happens after we die, despite what the Bible would have us believe.  Jesus tried to calm a very unhappy people by telling them God was all around us.  There is always somebody to come along during bad times to calm the masses by telling them things might be really awful now but will be better after we die.  

This is why thinking people today do question what we were taught.  However, given this is the U.S.A we have since our inception, agreed to allow everybody to find God any way we want to or not at all if we so choose.  I would truly like to leave it that way.  I fear evangelical Christianity because with them it is their way or the highway.  If given the chance they would impose their religious beliefs and all other beliefs upon us as the law of the land.  That would be as bad as the imposition of Sharia law in the U.S.  We must guard against such stuff.  

There are some people who should not be given air time.  The Baptist minister is one of those people.  He is a person who could divide an otherwise cohesive nation of many beliefs and that is as dangerous as allowing neo-Nazi’s to march in Skokie, Ill.  

Joel, Warren Jeffs does not represent the Mormon faith.  He represents an offshoot of the Mormon faith that is outlawed by the Mormon Church.  He is a fundamentalist LDS.  That is not the present Mormon church.  I am not a Mormon but I can read actual history and real facts and others should too so they can be informed.  Warren Jeffs is an aberration.  Sadly so is the Baptist minister.  The Mormon church outlawed polygamy 6 years before Utah became a state.  

What is it about Americans that would make them care more about a person’s religion rather than that person’s ability to run our country?  How really stupid are we?  I don’t even want to contemplate the answer to that question. 

As a Mormon I find it very insulting all the mocking of what we wear underneath our street clothes….magic underwear as you or others like to say..or whatever derogatory term. Would you insult a Jewish person because they wear an undergarment that has religious significance to them….because they do have one? It’s called a Tallit. Do you make fun of them? Didn’t your mother teach you to have manners towards others? Did some Mormon insult you at some point? I just don’t get all the mocking and hatred towards Mormons. There are plenty of religions in this world who wear articles of clothing that have religious significance. I would hope that you or others would stand up and defend them if someone mocked them but I guess that since the harassment is turned towards Mormons…well then….it must be okay. Well, it’s NOT!!!!
Mormon will be the first to say that we are not a break off of another Christian faith so we are not traditional Christians. But we do believe in the same Jesus Christ as in the Bible…deal with it…that makes us Christians. And the reason I know that is not from the definition in a dictionary but because of what it says in the Bible. For those who are “Bible Only” just look up in your Bible concordance to see what a Christian is and try to live by what you say is your authority.  If it make others feel better I’m cool with being called a non-traditional LDS Christian.

Kinda sad you have to explain that, eh..??

Calling mormonsim a cult is not being “anti-mormon”.  It is simply telling the truth as mormonism is not a religion and it fits all the parameters of a cult.  The term “cult” is nothing more than a category for classification.  The politically correct idiots of this nation need to get their heads out of their asses and grow some brains.  Even the staunchest athiests understand that mormonism is a cult and why.

And you’d have to be a real low life brainless idiot to think that mormons are the wonderful conservative nice people of high moral intengrity as the cult likes to portray.  But then….you’d have to be an even bigger idiot to think that mormonism is a religion.  Even the staunchest athiests who are honest in their methods clearly understand that mormonism is a cult and why.  Mormon teachings and doctrines do not come from the Bible of Christianity or from Christianity.  For that matter, many of them do not even come from the book of mormon.  Joseph Smith was nothing more than a sex crazed charlatan who stole a fictional book that at the time was called “A View of the Hebrews” and marketed his stolen work through his publishing company.  Between doing that and wanting to have sex with anything that had a pulse, that is where mormonism got its start.  Even the Smithsonian institute has had to make statements dispelling myths about the archaelogic claims of mormon charlatons as nothing in the book of mormon has ever been discovered in North America. 

Synagog and Southern Baptist in the same sentence???   HHHHhhhhmmmmm…..  And just as I wast getting bored. 

Actually, mormonism did teach that their man / god hates blacks.  It comes from another one of the mormon cult’s false teachings.  In this case, it comes from the mormon story of creation.  The mormon creation story teaches that there was a war in heaven where one third of the angels sided with the man / god of mormonism, one third sided with Satan and the other third sided with no one.  In the end, the mormon man/god’s side won the battle and placed a curse on the third of the angels that did not side with anyone during the battle.

Care to guess what that curse was????  Their curse was to become black and live on earth.  That is why black people were not allowed to belong to the mormon cult for a very long time.  During the civil rights movements of the 1960′s, the mormon cult gave into pressure from society and one day their president claimed that the mormon man / god told him that blacks were no longer cursed and could now join the mormon cult. 

Actually, the president of the mormon cult can do stuff like this anytime he wants which is another one of the reasons why mormonism is a cult.  Religions do not change their doctrines because they do not have to.  Cults are always changing their doctrines becasue they always have to.

You are wrong.  Mormons do not even realize what kind of god the mormon cult teaches.  They are clueless about the false god, false jesus and many other false teachings of the mormon cult.  That is why it is a cult.  Cults try to pawn themselves off as being religions by hijacking elements of religions and intentionally misleadin people.

The god of mormonism was a man who ultimately attained godhood status.  That is not the God of Christianity or the Bible.

The Jesus Christ of the mormon cult is the half brother of satan and was the result of a physical sexual relationship between the mormon man / god and Mary.  That is not the Jesus Christ of Christianity or the Bible.

Mormon’s do not believe in the same God as everyone else.  Mormonism is not even monotheistic as it teaches an entire pantheon of gods.

Amen to that.  The truth finally spoken!

Actually they did.  Do your homework and you’ll discover the truth.

The only reason there are black mormons now is because the charlatan president of the mormon cult claimed to receive a message from the mormon man/god in the 1960′s saying that blacks are now OK.  Interesting coincidence as the mormon cult had be receiving a lot of pressure from civil rights groups in the 1960′s.  But this is another hallmark of cults as they change their doctrines.  Religions do not change their doctrines but cults do.

Kym, I respect your right to find God any way that works for you.  I believe that if your religion is a cult, then so are all other religions.  When Christianity began it too was a “cult” if that is the word we are currently using.  The word “cult” is now really getting its own 15 minutes! Your religion may not be mine but your soul and way to God is yours and yours alone.  I make no judgments.  I don’t judge atheists either, though they would make fun of all who believe in what they call “the unseen man in the sky”.  

It is apparent to me that there were many who chose to follow Joseph Smith and his beliefs back in the 1800′s.  Once upon a time, lots of people chose to follow Jesus.  Before that, according to Judeo-Christian teachings, the Hebrews believed Moses when he said God talked to him on Mt. Sinai.  

As to what religious Jews wear underneath their clothes, the tallit, what it boils down here this week is that they aren’t picking on Jews for once; now they are picking on Mormons.  

Isn’t it fine that they think they really have a hot line to God?  I figure they will be all alone, just them, in their special Heaven one day, separated from the rest of the world and humanity.   

This wasn’t even about religion, per se, even though that is what it has devolved into.  It was about somehow getting Mitt Romney out of the race by using his religion against him.  Apparently they have nowhere else to go with their campaign so they pulled out the big guns and called in the Baptist minister.  If we once again had a Catholic running we would be hearing a diatribe against the Pope and a condemnation of the Inquisition.  Now the Inquisition was real but that was 500 years ago, but it would be dragged up out of the ashes of history and used if a Catholic was trying for the nomination.  

Don’t be upset.  What we have learned in almost a week of this is that bigots are truly alive and well in America.  These people have forgotten we have bigger problems than what God we believe in and how we believe in this country today.  Religion isn’t America’s problem.  The economy and our never ending was are.  

Wow…this person needs several corrections.  As a student of religions studies, religious history and world religions, I see many serious flaws in your reasoning and conclusions.  Even the most staunch atheist who is honest in his methods knows better than to make these particular mistakes.

1.  Christianity did not give us the Spanish Inquisition.  The Catholic church did this.  Do your homework.  Thank the Roman government and their institutionalized state church. 

2.  And here is where it gets good if you do your homework…  Joseph Smith was no prophet.  He was nothing more than a common thief, a charlaton and a sex crazed low life who would have sex with anything that had a pulse.  He ripped off an allegorical fiction story called “A View of the Hebrews”, published it via his new publishing company and preyed upon the ignorance and stupidity of decent hard working people.  That is origin of the Book of Mormon.  Even the book of mormon does not support the teachings and doctrines of the mormon cult.

To make a long story short….you really should do your homework.  And if you ever attempt to do your homework…please do it with some honesty and integrity as opposed to all the false bias that has tainted  your thought processes as expressed in your remarks 

He is doing just that.

Hey wawoo…  You do not understand what defines and or delineates a religion versus a cult.  While I can understand why anyone would view them all as supersitious mumbo jumbo, the 2 do have clear definitions in the realm of religions studies.  The definitions and differences between the 2 are clear but unfortunately, society does not understand that and political correctness is destroying the truth at all levels. 

Great food for thought.  If only more people would apply this to their lives and their beleifs.  Perhaps then stupidity and that good ole religion way of thinking would no longer taint the voting decisions of voters.

Yea….  And while your at it, do a little genetic testing on some of the native Ameircans.  See how well that one supports the mormon cult teaching that native American indians are decendants of the Jewish nations.

Naaa….  It will never happen.  The black sherrif in the movie “blazing saddles” had a better chance of gaining exceptance with the town’s folks then a mormon will have with evangelical Christians.

What is this discussion that comes up again and again about the Mormon God concerning the black people?  It was never the Mormon God.  There is no special Mormon God.  It was the Mormon people, the Mormon church that was bigoted back then and didn’t accept blacks as ministers.  Not so different from the Calvinists having a real hard time accepting native Hawaiian converts as ministers back in the 19th century, one of the reasons today Hawaii has more Catholics than Protestants.  

People do the bad things.  God is God is God.  Then people do bad things and say it is in the name of God.  The Islamists kill in the name of God. Poor God.  Let’s stop blaming God for what people do.  When the Mormons did not do right by black people it was Mormon people who didn’t do right by blacks, not God.  

There is one problem with that form of thinking.  The Jesus Christ of mormonsim is not the same as the Jesus Christ of Christianity.  As such, mormons are not Christians.  The Jesus Christ of the mormon cult was the result of a sexual relationship between man / god of mormonism and Mary.  Also, the mormon Jesus Christ is the half brother of Satan and in the scope of mormon doctrine, the resurrection of Christ means absolutely nothing.

These are not biblical or Christian teachings but they are teachings of the mormon cult.

Sounds alot like Carl Marx “Religion is the opium for the masses”

I have always heard “ignorance is bliss.”  That saying would apply to most of the comments I have read on this board.  I understand why Jeffress wants to spread the word that Mormons are not christians.  In the Mormon faith, there is no “paid ministry.”  The bishop, pianist, vocalist, youth organizations, Boy Scouts, etc., all give service without pay.  All positions in the church are considered “callings.”  The members have paying jobs in the community they live in, and their callings are done on their own time.  This is the essence of true service.  To give service with no expectations of anything in return except the blessings which inevitably come when service is given to others.  The baptist, on the other hand, do have paid  ministry.  Paid vacations by parishioners, paid housing, paid everything.  The gospel is “free.”   So, why are people being paid to help lost souls find salvation?  And, please refrain from using Jesus’ name and profanity in the same sentence.  Those of us who love the Lord find it offensive.