It’s interesting to see who will win out: Idealism or Reality.

Hey Barry said he was gonna help. He’s obviously a man of his word.

Obama’s effort to get the Hispanic vote is going to make or break the Democratic Party. This will cost them the moderate vote, which is more important?

Brewer is a true American and patriot!

Barry, where are the 1200 troops?

Obama is a worthless punk who not only has shirked his sworn obligation to uphold the law, he fights against it. He’s a pig.

She doesn’t know it yet, but just beyond the signs, closer to the border there will be banquet tables set up with SEIU voter registration workers too.

HA timzank.

Good ad. Brewer is one gutsy gal — a true patriot.

It is about time we have a gov. in office with grit. OBAMA promised troops??? Where are they, the Border Patrol needs them.! The President put two Muslims in charge of Homeland Security. Could this be the reason??? How safe do you feel with Muslims ,raised overseas, in charge of America’s Homeland Security.? More states should show a little of what Gov. Brewer, stood up for. I am tired of paying the way of illegals, who many commit crimes and end up in our jails instead of being deported. President Obama NO AMNESTY IF THEY WON’T GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BECOMING AN AMERICAN, SEND THEM HOME.

I was a nurse in Emergency room in San Diego. They wait until the last minute to cross and then have their baby in our hospital. The Border Patrol should check more closely when advanced pregnancy is crossing, they walk across. Then they call a cab or head for the nearest hospital. You pay the cost California. They say how can you separate a baby and it’s Mother? I say send them back to Mexico.

Nothing unusual here – groups like the Tea Party and the Republicans always need someone upon whom to focus hate, to foment fear, to blame for their own failings. Look at the KKK, the Nazis, the more recent Bosnian conflict and massacres of Muslims, — and now we have the Tea Party and the Republicans ginning up the hate of Hispanics, proposing we put up a wall not dissimilar to the Berlin Wall (of course Rand Paul would put up an Invisible Fence and put collars on immigrants). Jan Brewer is the same story, different day of the far right, always needing a boogie man in the form of color or religion or politics to generate turnout on their election day.

Who are the Palintards hating on in this thread??

Oh yes, them damn Mexicans!!!1!!!11

Adkins, the feds put that sign warning that it’s dangerous. Are you saying Obama is fomenting fear? And if you believe people should be allowed to just come in and ignore the immigration laws, I’m sure you don’t have any locks on the doors of your house. You believe that anyone should just be allowed to wander in at any time, and any mention of getting them to leave would be ‘hateful’. Right? If you don’t do that, then you’re being a hypocrite.

Jan take the pickles out of your diet. You have become one big pickle turd.

Truck Boat Shitter is like most far left loons. He can slam and insult anyone as long as they’re white. But the love affair for minorities knows no bounds. Hating white people isn’t racism.

I lived in Northern Arizona for a time during the George HW Bush administration and I’m pretty sure the brown sign or something similar existed at that time along Interstate 19, south of Tucson and there’s several prolific bird-watching areas in the Southern Arizona wilderness that have always had similar cautions in their brochures.

Of course thinking back to my stint in the northern part of the state, I remember that we weren’t overly worried about crime in our small town or when we’d go into Flagstaff for supplies, but the Phoenix-based television made the area around the city look pretty scary and when we first drove down, I took several photos of the signs on grocery stores and other businesses that defined where one was allowed to take their weapons because as a guy from the east, the idea of an armed citizenry was so alien, it was shocking.

Shhhh!! It’s a secret, but if you want to stop the majority of what amounts to ‘crime’ on both sides of the border is to recognize the Drug War is a failure and that its result is exactly the opposite of its goals.

Every other country on earth enforces its immigration laws, whether people are bringing in drugs or not.

Ah yes, here come the typical America hating trash with their love of criminals and disrespect for the law. No surprise, and nothing new. No opposing point of view or anything, just personal attacks and straw men, go figure.

The left should put up or shut up. If they really believe there’s nothing wrong with people illegally entering the country, then they should open their homes and allow anyone to come in at any time, day or night, and not say anything. If they think the U.S. should be doing that, then they should lead by example.

Can’t unlock my doors, writer – it’s people like Shawna Forde and the Minuteman group that make me nervous. http://www.seattleweekly.com/2009-07-15/news/cover-story-lethally-blonde/

Why, Bill. You have locks on your doors? Given your views on people illegally entering the country, I’m surprised you even use them.

Bill Adkin, Seattle Weekly, are you serious? It’s the worst chunk of liberal trash ever to make its way down off of Capitol Hill.

Adkins claims to be an attorney so you can pretty much dismiss anything he says.

Arizona is in America isn’t it???? I thought the Great One in one of his many speaches said we were All Ameircans so where is the help Brewer needs??? Just like the oil spill……where is the help???? Oh yes, The Great One really doesn’t like Americans, just socialist. Like Tim Zanks says in the comment above, we can look forward to the SEIU to set up the banquet tables for voter registration and promises of wonderful hand outs from the Great One Obumma!!! Obama will ALWAYS bow down to the unions. They are the core political/economic power of the Marxists in the U.S. They have the money and violent members that make such effective shock troops, so look out Arizona, It will begin soon. I and I hope true Americans will stand behind Brewer and lets show the White House if you are a true American, one who loves her freedom we’ll be on Arizona’side!!!

Don’t like Seattle Weekly?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5089065-504083.html

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/23/arizona.slaying.minutemen/?iref=hpmostpop

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/

and

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20091025/NEWS01/710259945

“Forde now awaits trial in the killings of Raul Flores, 29, and his 9-year-old daughter, Brisenia. She’s accused of leading a May 30 raid on their Arivaca, Ariz., home because she suspected Flores was a drug smuggler. Police say she planned to use any drugs and money she found to bankroll her Minutemen American Defense group. Prosecutors plan to seek the death penalty. The case isn’t likely to go before jurors until 2011.”

Killed a 9 year old. And found no drugs or money or anything else.

So this case proves that there are no problems with millions of people entering the country illegally?

Logic, this comment thread has none.

This case proves the hate that I brought up in my first post. And the connection between the failed Drug War and the hate groups in my second or so post. And the unintended consequences of both the anti-immigrant movement as well as the failed Drug War that exacerbate the problems you perceive with the ‘millions of people entering the country illegally.’

So, using your logic, all muslims are worthless assholes, cuz a few of them crashed airplanes into buildings. Yes, I can see where you’re going with this…

In r/e Adkins: Obviously Shakespeare was right.

The signs should simply read: “CAUTION – WHITE RACISTS AHEAD!” lolol

TfT said:
HA timzank.

Good ad. Brewer is one gutsy gal — a true patriot.

“Patriot” is code for “racist” to you teabaggers, right?

Yup, good “patriot”.

I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen reference to the overall rate of illegal immigration being reduced due to the economic downturn and in all the discussion of Arizona 1070, I’ve seen people say that the crime stats for the entire state have been on a downswing. Now perhaps there’s been some kind of statistical increase in the area right around the border, but one would think that as @Bill Adkins has said, it has more to do with the failed Drug War and I’ll add the well-documented Mexican cartel wars with its corruption of Mexican law enforcement and military.

As for this particular YouTube, Brewer is facing re-election for her first full-term and in this last legislative session, the state famously considered selling their state capital, plus they’ve literally robbed their state parks of user fees and that’s just the matters about which I’ve blogged.

And in addition to stirring-up local fears to distract from the state’s dire budget situation, you can add the political advantage of aligning herself with the wing that also passed an attempt to circumvent federal gun laws, require a birth certificate for federal candidates and the always-present unMcCain sentiment, she’s clearly not only trying to play her current political hand, but is also likely trying to position herself for a future Senate bid or appointment.

Not to mention that by releasing this video on YouTube with the only reference to her re-election campaign being that her committee paid for the ad and the SecuretheBorder.org front, it appears that she’s trying to tap into the national support for 1070 to raise her political profile and boost her campaign coffers with out-of-state donations.

Close the Borders!!! Simple isn’t it? Well most that don’t live on the border don’t care one way or another untill they have a family member or someone they love dearly die because of the crime crossing the border!!
If AZ. wants to keep from being totally destroyed, they are going to have to take matters in their own hands and deal with the consequences in the court of public opinion. Results speak FAR louder than rhetoric. As far as I am concerned, the Federal government has proven itself completely broken and is continually working against the will of the people and the best interests of AZ. We are going to vote these idiots out and elect someone that knows what the hell they are doing!! Who the hell is running this country??? Obama is only a socialist puppet and someone is pulling his strings.

PS) Not that there’s anything wrong with it and if I were advising her campaign, I’d likely suggest a similar strategy. It’s just what it is… politics.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
“Patriot” is code for “racist” to you teabaggers, right?

Sure, you bet. No sense in not being paranoid of another boogey man, dude.

How’s that extra chromosome working out for ya, dipshit?

I Can tell who is the idiot is when they start calling Patriots names. Bet you failed your history lessons IF you even made it thru school!!

If I lived near a sign like that, I would be demanding the government do something. I am sure the Liberals would be demanding action also.

I challenge Governor Brewer and her supporters to provide evidence that President Obama or anyone from his staff have ever uttered the phrase, “The Arizona border is as safe as it has ever been.”

The immigration debate is necessary and important … but so is honesty and integrity.

Yes, Adkins, there are approximately twelve million people in the country illegally, the majority from Mexico. Because the majority of those people don’t belong to drug cartels doesn’t change the fact that they broke our immigration laws in coming here. Again, if you and the black racist BFD think illegal entry is okay, then you should unlock your doors and allow everyone in.

Michael_T, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/05/napolitano-border-could-be-more-safe/

“It is as safe and secure as it’s ever been, but it can be more safe and more secure”

She seemed to feel safe there and still no AZ GUARDSMEN BEING PAID FOR BY AZ.

She wants guardsmen on HER border? She has HER guardsmen and SHE has her legislature to pay for them.

So where are HER guardsmen? Or is it that she wants Americans from other states to be PLACED IN HARMS WAY and not HER guardsmen?

WHERE ARE HER GUARDSMEN? We saw how the guardsmen acted as damper on cross border activities when JANET was Governor and drove the drug lords and coyote human smugglers to find other places to cross where they were more easily caught due to the fact they did not have secure and known places to operate, but BREHAHA ignores the proven method of doing something, and SHE whines DO IT FOR ME I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO DO IT, guess having an election in AZ now to replace her is the best thing that happenstance could have done.

STFU BREHAHA and deploy YOUR Guard with your states money.

Michael_T said:
I challenge Governor Brewer and her supporters to provide evidence that President Obama or anyone from his staff have ever uttered the phrase, “The Arizona border is as safe as it has ever been.” The immigration debate is necessary and important … but so is honesty and integrity.

Janet Napilitano said it a couple of times in the last few weeks…In fact that’s been her mantra since she became director.

““The border is as secure now as it’s ever been, but we know we can always do more and that will always be the case,” she said.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/06/napolitano-rejects-secure-border-precondition-for-progress-on-immigration-reform-bill.html

It doesn’t matter where you stand politically, the situation on the border is completely out of control, and needs to be addressed. The killing and kidnapping going on inside the USA, and just over the border on the Mexican side, by Mexican drug cartels, is UNACCEPTABLE. Legal immigration is acceptable, ILLEGAL immigration is not. We are either a nation of laws, or we aren’t. If you don’t like the laws, change them, but until that happens, enforce the ones on the books. I am astounded that anyone can make this an issue of race or politics when our borders are literally melting away. Some folks are okay with that; I’m not, for the simple reason that we do not have the resources to support the incalculable influx of immigrants we would get if we simply flung the gates wide open.

“Bill Adkins says:
June 27, 2010 at 1:44 pm Bill Adkins(Quote)
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Nothing unusual here – groups like the Tea Party and the Republicans always need someone upon whom to focus hate, to foment fear, to blame for their own failings. Look at the KKK, the Nazis, the more recent Bosnian conflict and massacres of Muslims, — and now we have the Tea Party and the Republicans ginning up the hate of Hispanics, proposing we put up a wall not dissimilar to the Berlin Wall (of course Rand Paul would put up an Invisible Fence and put collars on immigrants). Jan Brewer is the same story, different day of the far right, always needing a boogie man in the form of color or religion or politics to generate turnout on their election day.”

“…not dissimilar to the Berlin Wall…” You have to be kidding. Did you think the Communist East Germans put up the wall to keep the West Germans out? Did you know that the East German guard killed the people who tried to get out of East Germany? Please explain how the fence between the US and Mexico is “…not dissimilar to the Berlin Wall…”

lanquihue,
The Washington Times misquoted Napolitano … so did Governor Brewer … obviously for political expediency.

As timzank correctly quoted her, she actually didn’t use the word SAFE but said, “The US-Mexican border is SECURE now as it has ever been”.

Napolitano clearly was referring to increases in the number of BP agents, increased surveillance and an increase in the extent of fencing along the border. Does this necessarily make it safer? That is open to debate … but that is not what Napolitano said.

Brewer should be ashamed of her misquote.

because she didnt want to do a video next to one of the 1300 national guard troops

@Thomas G Williams: In addition to my political point about Brewer’s current border position, one assumes that they can’t afford to pay National Guard to patrol because the state is so broke, they’re cutting everything to the quick. As to whether it should be up to the state to patrol is another question, but it can’t really be broached because that would draw attention to their budget problems.

Otherwise, I don’t know if Napolitano put Guard on the border during her term, but I do know that New Mexico has done it, off and on over the last five years or so.

@writer: Napolitano was Governor of Arizona until the beginning of the Obama administration. According to her Wikipedia, she was Gov from ’03-’09; Attorney General from ’99-’02 and she was the US Attorney for that district from ’93-’98. Pretty much from 1993 until 2009, she was responsible for some aspect of Arizona’s border security and now she oversees the entire US-Mexico border; So if anyone knows what has been, one would say that it’d be her.

She did and the legislature wanted her to increase the size of the deployment and tried to usurp her authority over the Guard to do it, she sought funding for MORE Guard from the DOD and its head RUMSFELD but was turned down so she told the legislature YOU WANT MORE THEN GIVE ME THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT in other words and they the REPUBLICAN legislature refused to pay for it.

You can search archives for NAPOLITANO deploys Guard and get lots of different POVs on it and the facts of what happened, also she was asked a couple of weeks ago (saw it on Washington Journal c-span as a clip in someone else appearance, do not remember who asked her or from what organization) about Brewer putting the Guard on the border and she said that as long as they supported law enforcement and did not violate any laws that it was up to Brewer to do it.

@Thomas G Williams: Like I said, Bill Richardson has done it pretty regularly, but New Mexico has a more paternalistic system than Arizona and they’re comparatively flush with oil, gas and mineral revenue.

But that does not mean they , the state GOP controlling the legislature, would provide funds to a DEMOCRATIC governor after she slapped them down for trying to usurp HER authority as Governor, and the HISTORY here is something you could check3-8-2006
By Howard Fischer
CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES

PHOENIX – Gov. Janet Napolitano is deploying more National Guard troops along the border today even as she VETEOS a bill to force her to do it.

Her order, announced this morning, comes less than 24 hours after the Senate voted to direct the governor to expand the presence of the Guard in Southern Arizona and gave her $10 million to do it. Napolitano said she intends to VETO that bill when it gets to her desk later today, calling the mandate an UNCONSTITUTIONAL INFRINGEMENTon her power as commander-in-chief of the Guard.

But the governor’s order is contingent on lawmakers recrafting that legislation to give her the money – but without what she said is the unconstitutional directive. That move puts the political hot potato back in the hands of the REPUBLICAN-controlled Legislature: If they don’t approve the bill the way she wants it, there’s no money – and she can blame them for failure to deploy the troops.

But Rep. John Allen, R-Scottsdale, who crafted the measure, said he does not believe it is unconstitutional.

Napolitano insisted this morning she was not pressured into action by the Legislature and that she had always intended to expand the presence of the Guard in Southern Arizona.

“I’ve been saying since State of the State (speech) we’re sending the Guard down there,” she said.

But that isn’t exactly true: In her January speech, the governor said only that she was asking Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to use a provision of federal law “which allows the federal government to PAY FOR US to station the National Guard at our border.” She said those federal funds “would allow the Guard to expand its presence and become even more involved in enforcing the rule of law at the border.”

So why did she wait until now – with the Legislature sending her a mandate to put the Guard on the border – to issue her order, as opposed to doing it months ago?

“I was waiting to see if Secretary Rumsfeld would fund the Guard,” she responded. Napolitano said she had not had a chance to meet with him until she was in Washington last week.

There are fewer than 200 Guard troops along the border now, doing what Napolitano has described as “support” functions.

She said while troop levels will change, the mission will not.
“They are not there to militarize the border,” she said. “We are not at war with Mexico.”

So when push came to shove THE GOP PLAYED GAMES in a put up or shut moment, just like BAR-BOOR and JHINDAHL and PALIN and …..could go on all night but why should IS truth is truth except when you have some lying scum conservatives (not you, you asked and i could remember where this was to show you) involved.

I do not want to be a pest but I could post more for you, from AZ papers on this and they tell a story more aligned with the in state view: some of the headlines “GOVERNOR DOES NOT WAIT FOR DOD DEPLOYS GUARD NOW”
“” TWO WEEKS WITH GUARD ON BORDER AND CROSS BORDER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY DROPS” “REPUBLICANS WONT SAY NAPOLITANO RIGHT ABOUT GUARD DEPLOYMENT” “FUNDING FEUD IMPERILS GOVERNORS GUARD DEPLOYMENT” “REPUBLICANS SAY SEND MORE TO THE BORDER,NAPOLITANO SAYS PAY FOR IT” “SENIOR REPUBLICAN BREAKS RANKS SAYS WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IF WE WANT” “NAPOLITANO GUARD MOVE MAKES CASE FOR STATES CAN DO MORE CLAIMS” “FEDS SHORT AZ SAYING AZ&NM ARE DOING FINE RESOURCES NEEDED ELSEWHERE” “STATE REPUBLICANS WILL NOT SUPPORT GOVERNORS CALLS TO HAVE FEDS PAY FOR DEPLOYMENT” “AZ GUARD MAKING REAL DIFFERENCE ON BORDER”

I TYPED THOSE OUT AFTER DOING SOME CUT AND PASTE THAT ATE UP A LOT OF SPACE so I shortened it and there are a lot more like that from 3-4 years ago.

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Michael_T

You stated: The immigration debate is necessary and important … but so is honesty and integrity. (about misquoting Sec Napolitano and the use of “safe”.

I pretty certain Sec Napolitano stated safe and secure on May 4th 2010 at a joint session with Mexican Interior minister. In fact here’s the transcript. Oh, and here’s the Vid of her actually saying it.

Transcript Page 14

Video:

Video Arounf 1:38 of vid named AZ’s new immigration law

Completely securing a TWO-THOUSAND MILE border is impossible. It’s especially impossible in Texas, where Bush deliberately skipped building the border fence through a golf course owned by one of his fat-cat pals.

The easiest way to defeat a thirty-foot border fence is with a thirty-ONE foot ladder.

From: http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views06/0705-23.htm :

“Reclaiming the Issues: It’s an Illegal Employer Problem
by Thom Hartmann

Every time the media – or a Democrat – uses the phrase “Illegal Immigration” they are promoting one of Karl Rove’s most potent Republican Party frames.

The reality is that we don’t have an “Illegal Immigration” problem in America. We have an “Illegal Employer” problem.

Yet it’s almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America’s largest multi-state and multinational corporations – who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the “criminals” covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed. . . . . ”

Many of the same neocons here and elsewhere who decry illegal immigration WORSEN the problem. They go down to their local Home Depot and (illegally) hire a few brown-skinned guys for (illegally) low wages, knowing that the immigrants can’t complain and have to settle for what they can get. Both the employer and the immigrants are criminals . . . and both should be dealt with.

If we held employers more responsible for hiring illegal immigrants, the problem would almost certainly be reduced.

Dishonest? I always thought they were synonyms:

Safe 1. Secure from danger, harm, or evil.

Secure : 2 a : free from danger b : free from risk of loss c : affording safety

Napolitano had guardsmen in 2006 because Bush sent them. The current AZ governor just wants the same thing but Obama won’t send them.

RazorsEdge.

You are correct. I stand corrected by insisting she only used the word SECURE and did not say SAFE.

According to the transcript link you provided Napolitano did say, “It is as safe and secure as it’s ever been, but it can be more safe and more secure, and that’s what we are working on.”

Perhaps she was basing her statement upon statistics from the Arizona’s Department of Public Safety and the FBI that show violent crime rates in the state and along the southwest border region have been declining.

IMO she (and her staff) should have known that making such a sweeping statement – which borders on hyperbole – would come back to haunt her.