Is his point (seriously) that the current crop of female candidates, nominees etc owe it all to Hillary?

Wow. I hate to say it Glynnis, but you’ve got a point. What about all the other women that ran for public office before Mrs. Clinton? She is not the first female Senator. Besides, I think female governors actually have more responsibility as the state executive, as opposed to a Senator.

Matthews is a Middle of the Road O’Reilly, whose mouth outpaces his brain at times. The glass ceiling had been broken well before Hillary for most elective offices. She did, demonstrably, out cracks in it for the presidency. But, she also ran a terrible race. When she finally realized she had a fatally flawed campaign strategy, she became frustrated and went through a terribly nasty, nasty period. That’s when I ceased supporting her (although my Wife, my Mother, of fond memory, and my Sisters still claim that it was the result of their persuasion. I have found it more convenient to let that belief prevail.). Hillary’s real contribution may be that she provided a model for a political strategy for a female candidate that doesn’t work. The shrillness which so often works in getting the trash taken out, works less well in a campaign.

Most of the women that have run in the past are left wing nanny state advocates. Palin is leading the way for REAL women to run for office.

Real women for Real Americans, not the millions of fake Americans who live in all those big cities and drink wine and eat cheese.

Like her or not (and I have mixed feelings about her) Clinton is an extremely accomplished politician who was this close to being a presidential nominee for one of the two major parties. She blazed some trails.

Blower, how amazing it is that you summarily dismiss conservative women of grace and substance, Jocelyn Burdick, Margaret Chase Smith, Elizabeth Dole, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Nancy Kassebaum, Lisa Murkowski, to try to make a confused point about Palin. Don’t get me wrong. Nothing would please be more than for Palin to be a key player in the Republican party. That would be wonderful. A dream come true. I just don’t understand why you to dismiss these other women in such an off-handed fashion.

paulmdoro
Good point. I believe that she is a good example of working hard, as opposed to expecting handouts.

Yeah LNR I know plenty of people don’t like her politics or her personality, but she is a hard worker and impressed a lot of moderate/conservative voters in NY (and elsewhere) with her work ethic and ability to quickly grasp complex issues and reach across the aisle to get things done.

Sorry, Chris, we all know that this is due to Bush.

Like when Hilly started to cry ’cause she was down in the polls? Yeah that was ground breaking for powerful women everywhere..

Cause heaven forbid a woman show emotion during a grueling, intense, and non-stop campaign season. She got bashed for being too cold and emotionless, then she shows a little emotion and gets bashed for that too. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t.

Rev. Wright and Father Pflager really blasted that white woman. Got really nasty. Good thing Obama was able to distance himself from Wright. ( He didn’t really know him that well.)

I have no problem with her showing emotion..seemed a little timed to give her an advantage at that time in the race. Do you feel the same when Glenn Beck tears up, Paul?

I wasn’t there, so I have no idea if Clinton’s tears were genuine or forced. I think Beck does it for show, for entertaining television, for entirely different reasons. Apples and oranges.

Righter: Do you reportedly use “Pflager” instead of the correct “Pfleger” to be cute?

Hillary is given to more emotion than is generally understood.

Gee, King, I don’t know. Do you change spellings to be cute? (Raygun)

Yes.

Sauce for the goose. BTW, when is your conversion to Islam coming up?

Probably not until the Hajj.

A shame, since you don’t seem to be getting past that Crusades thing very well.

Keep chasing him, writer. Hey king..better covert soon before all the good colored prayer rugs are picked out.

convert..oops

That’s fine. The Buick dealer in my hometown has long been Covert.

That’s funny..I used to be too.

paulmdoro says:
June 9, 2010 at 11:42 am

I wasn’t there, so I have no idea if Clinton’s tears were genuine or forced. I think Beck does it for show, for entertaining television, for entirely different reasons. Apples and oranges.

Wait… how can you dismiss Clinton’s tears because “you weren’t there,” but have a definitive opinion on Beck’s tears? Are you there to see him cry?

Actually I’ve just been joshing the King. I’m well aware that no conversion is necessary. He’s already a black Muslim. His claim of being a white Texan is his way of joshing back. It’s all great fun.

I said I think ImNotBlue. I am offering an opinion. You Beck fanatics fly off the handle over the most trivial matters. Is it really that big of a deal?

I came here to write about what a fool and a arrogant dick Chris Matthews is – but after reading “The real royal king”‘s first comment – Id rather write about what a fool and arrogant dick he is.

he spews all the conventional garbage that he picked up from matthews and the rest of the morons at MSNBC (and/or Air America) said about Hillary during the primaries. you know the oft repeated tag that she ran a “horrible campaign” etc…

first – she (and her husband) had the entire press corps against her – which kinda makes it a little hard to get the message out a candidate wants. (See the 2000 election when the same press scrum that went after Hill in 2008 – matthews, russert, dowd, rich, the entire wash post – nytimes galaxy and all their dc media camp followers – demolished Gore and gave us Bush)

Second – i know the truth bothers obots like this fool – but even though the press was running harder against her than Obama was (remember the 100000 “why wont she get out ” stories) she still nearly ran the board starting with Texas and Ohio, gained more actual votes than Obama – and killed him amongst actual democrats. If it wasnt for the nefarious, disgusting and underhanded way that camp Obama lawyered up and played out how to not count and disenfranchise Democratic voters (count every vote right?) in MI and FL (organized by the scummiest Dem in town, Bob bauer, who now is…this STILL is hard to believe..the White House counsel) even though a funded and fair redo was offered by the Clinton campaign and endorsed by the major Dems and US Senators from these two states…though most Americans never even knew this becauise the anti Clinton/pro obama media didnt want to report this and didnt – because it made team Obama look like the lying frauds they were) If there would have been a revote or the votes had been counted as cast – Hillary would have won enough delegates to be the nominee.

third – Obamas campaign was able to beat Hillary because (besides not counting FL and MI) becausde they played the race card constantly and portrayed the Clintons as closeted racists and the DC press corps (with matthews and russert, Dowd and rich in the lead) pressed that outragous lie as the CW of the time. Even when Civil rights hero John lewis said on Bill Moyers reports that it was the obama campaign that played the race card in SC. That statement wasnt picked up by one news source in the USA, not one. But remember the offical team obama memo donna Brazile read live on CNN listing 4 times the Clintons were “racists”? – that dominated the coverage and allowed fools like the royal ass here – to actually pretend then believe that the Clintons really were the guilty ones here and that they (and team obama) were the enobled fighters of such low and dirty tactics. (at this same time Obama was giving his series of “youve been hoodwinked and bamboozled” by white politicians speech to numerous all black crowds that was lifted almost verbatum – not from actual history – but from the imagined life of malcolm X as portrayed inSpike lee’s movie “X”>…and how much coverage by the national press corps did that get? uhhh like none…

So when fools like tweetie chirp about Hillary now – why listen and when fools like signed up con men (hes conned himself now hes trying to con the readers here) like the Royal King type the CW BS about how Hillary “ran” a terrible campaign – why believe them?

he’s a A-1 Obot – truth means nothing to a “hopester” like this…he has too much vested in his belief in his own wisdom to actually be able to question his own beliefs let alone those of his hero – y’know – the anointed one. If a fellow like that – who just LIVES to insult “the other side’ was only have as smart as he thinks he is – hed still be about twice as smart as I can tell he really is.

hes a born viewer of the NEW MSNBC – he is exactly their demographic – arrogant, idiotic, biased to their own blather and uber opinionated on all things, just like their show hosts….from the unbearable matthews, to our lesbian version of Rush (oh how she loves sexy scandals and mockery) to republican turned Dem fraud and angry, arrogant hack Schultz (I interviewed that guy for a job once – WOW!) to the new definition of whats wrong with cable news itself (Matthews was the old one) – keith O.

matthews and king and msnbc – a match made in dumass heaven

Wow. You’re going to have to give the King a few minutes to work out the spin.

My ears are bleeding..King, are you gonna be okay? Maybe it’s prayer time..King can see Mecca from his house.

paulmdoro says:
June 9, 2010 at 12:21 pm

I said I think ImNotBlue. I am offering an opinion. You Beck fanatics fly off the handle over the most trivial matters. Is it really that big of a deal?

First, I’m not a Beck fanatic. I don’t think I’ve ever watched a complete Beck show… and only have one of his books (haven’t read it yet), which was given to me as a gift. Sorry.

Now let me see if I understand this correctly. You attacked/responded to “me1ranger” when he/she said that Hillary was crying:

paulmdoro says:
June 9, 2010 at 11:16 am

Cause heaven forbid a woman show emotion during a grueling, intense, and non-stop campaign season. She got bashed for being too cold and emotionless, then she shows a little emotion and gets bashed for that too. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t.

Clearly, this is an issue or “opinion” that upset you. Your words make that clear.

When Ranger responds, asking how you feel about Beck’s tears, you respond saying you don’t know if Clinton’s tears were real, but you believe Beck’s tears aren’t.

And you don’t so a contradiction there?

Either you don’t know, because you weren’t there, whether BOTH their tears were real… or you have an opinion on both of them. So do you think Clinton did it for show, just as you think Beck does it for show? Of is there a difference… and what would that be?

Not flying off the handle, my friend… just looking for some consistency, and calling out hypocrisy.

The Ranger Battalion I was member of didn’t take women..so for future reference..I pee standing up. Thanks.

There is no hypocrisy here. I did not see Clinton’s tears nor was I there. I have no idea if they were genuine or not. I do feel that with her there is a damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t element at work because first she was criticized for being too cold and then she took heat for crying. As for Beck, I have seen him cry on his show. To me it comes across as a little phony and calculated. I could be wrong. The tears could be totally spontaneous and real. I don’t know for sure. I really don’t care though. Politicians and rodeo clowns do things for show all of the time.

Can we all agree on one thing….for the love of all that is righteous and good and charitable…

Can this site be a “Chris Matthews thrill… shiver… icky..leg” free zone????

Thanks!

ex political-media hack, you at least owe the king the phone number of a proctologist who can repair the new ass you just tore him.

I liked the part where Hillary said she tried to join the Army. Oh, yeh how about when she was ducking sniper fire. Or when she didn’t know about Bill’s women. I think she was running for stand up comic of the year.

Hardly the first or last spouse to live in denial about affairs. Hardly the first or last to tell tall tales for personal gain.

I always like stories about people who say they wanted join the services, but couldn’t, Blower. Particularly those who couldn’t join because of anal cysts or similar derriere imperfections.

Or if they’re attending college in England.

when he wrote

” The shrillness which so often works in getting the trash taken out, works less well in a campaign.”

he clearly showed himself to be sexist, condescending ass…as if this wasnt already obvious from his endless “musings” on Sarah Palin and her family.. Im no Repub, but ive found attacks on her and them from people like te royal A – to be disgraceful and disgusting.

his slurs he believes is wit and his slanders are insights..

hes a royal fool.

You know, Paul, I have always felt we don’t give the Clintons enough credit for simply staying together. I’m sure it hasn’t been easy, and I am sure the marriage has been less than perfect. Still, they made a commitment, they stuck together, and they raised a child, a very successful child, together. If you believe in sanctity of marriage, that has to count for something.

Much the same can be said about George and Laura Bush, too.

In an age of Gingrichs, Gulianis and Limbaughs, when marriage seems to be nothing more than a change of address, when even revered political and public figures like the Gores and the Reagans can’t seem to keep a marriage together, we are fortunate to have examples of commitment like the Clintons and the Bushes.

Many prominent politicians from both sides of the aisle took deferments or went to college abroad or used other means to avoid service. Mark Kirk is a reminder that both sides also engage in misleading comments concerning their records. Jan Brewer engaged in a little, um, truth stretching as well.

To quote Jon Stewart:

“I swear to God, this guy’s one scotch away from being Ron Burgundy.”

Hillary is a brave patriot; remember how she corkscrewed into Bosnia under sniper fire.

writer says:
June 9, 2010 at 1:28 pm

Or if they’re attending college in England.

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No, going to college is not nearly as funny as an anal cyst. As effective, it would seem, in draft dodging, but not as funny. Since I was in the service, I’m not sure I understand the desperation some, Bill Clinton, Lard Limbaugh, Jeff Merrill, for example, have in evading national service, but I don’t think I would want to announce to the world I was dodging the draft because of an anal problem.

Hey King, how is Chelsea Clinton successful again? Care to enlighten us..

Hasn’t Chelsea done just as well as, say, a Bush twin?

Chelsea Clinton has a master’s degree and works for a consulting firm. Depends on your definition of success.

Your patriotism is touching, King. Now if you can just get over your hatred and bigotry towards eighty per cent of the population, you’ll have it made.

Jenna wrote a book about an african girl and donated her procedes to charities that fight HIV…don’t think Chelsea did anything like that. She got plastic surgery to remove any resemblance to her mother, that was productive..

ination..her daddy got her that job. Give it up.

Because being Jenna Bush didn’t help her get a book published in any way, shape, or form. Please. How is writing a book more accomplished than getting a Master’s and working in consulting? Even the achievements of the children has to be partisan?

The Real Royal King says:
June 9, 2010 at 1:36 pm

Uh-oh… looks like “Bovine” is slipping out again, with yet another reference to “Merrill.”

Keeping personalities straight these days looks difficult.

Perhaps it’s like Clark Kent and Superman. The King slips into a phone booth and comes out as Bovine.

the person who wrote about chelea…”She got plastic surgery to remove any resemblance to her mother, that was…”

well….insane

I’m not a big fan of plastic surgery, but I can sympathize with someone who was nationally ridiculed about their looks during their teen years.

The Real Royal King is not a REAL anything. He is a phony hiding behind a phony name. No one can believe anything he says. He needs professional help.

Hey hack..whats wrong with just going with what your given? How does her surgery show she is of strong character? It doesn’t..especially when she grew up in the public eye and we all knew what she looked like.

Plastic surgery doesn’t show strong character any more than underage drinking does. But it’s very easy to criticize from the outside, where politicians and the media are not publicly making fun of the way you look as a teenage girl.

Paul, quit making excuses for her..it’s not her fault the bush twins were born hot.

gordonbloyershow says:
June 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm

The Real Royal King is not a REAL anything. He is a phony hiding behind a phony name. No one can believe anything he says. He needs professional help.

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Blower: On what channel can I find your show, and at what time? I am interested in watching, perhaps even sponsoring.

Not making excuses. Just trying to practice values Catholic school and my parents tried instilling in me. Walk in a mile in their shoes.

Me1Ranger:

Do you really think that Jenna Bush would have been published were it not who are parents are? I don’t fault her for that. I didn’t think all that highly of the book, but I have read far worse.

Indeed, how many of us have secured jobs because of some connection that existed.

I think you are being unfair to Chelsea.

Never drank under the legal age right paul? I went to Catholic academies as well, see we have something in common..who’d a thunk it?

I didn’t drink while underage, but that’s neither here nor there. The point I was really trying to make is that it’s easy to criticize someone like Chelsea from the outside. I can’t imagine it is easy for a teenage girl to hear people constantly making fun of their appearance. I have two younger sisters. Being a teen girl is hard enough without Jay Leno, John McCain, SNL, and many others making fun of your looks.

King, I admit I’m being unfair to Chelsea. I don’t harbor any ill will towards her at all, honest. I simply objected to you claiming she was “very successful” that’s all. And..I thought she blossomed quite well. She didn’t need any surgery and I thought that was dumb. She should have gone with what God gave her..

I totally agree that plastic surgery is usually dumb.

Paul..I agree. The treatment she got was over the top. You agree that the Bush twins should have been cut some slack as well? As for the Obama girls, they need to stop using them as props or else they’ll be set up to get slammed like the girls we’ve been discussing..agree?

I think Chelsea turned out kind of cute. As for getting a book published, in today’s economy, virtually no one is getting published unless they’re already a well known author or a celebrity.

I totally agree that the Bush twins should have been cut way more slack. I don’t care what your politics are or who your parents are, you should be allowed to lead a normal life at that age. There is a reason the Bush twins did not want their dad running for president. They knew the scrutiny they were in for, and it just isn’t right. I felt bad for Chelsea and I felt bad for Barbara & Jenna too.

As for using kids as props, Palin does it too. So do many, many other politicians.

I agree writer, Jenna used her celebrity for noble cause, not for personal gain. I admire that in her, she could have been given a consulting job, then melt off into the shadows, instead she’s trying to keep the worlds’ focus on those less fortunate.

Yes condemn those children of presidents who get a real job! How dare they?!

Paul, we were having a cherished moment of agreement, in front of all these people, then you had to pull out the “Palin card”. People running for high office always show the world that they have a family, at the beginning, a couple of times. That’s fine, we need to see that they reflect our ideals of the ‘American Family’..or else you’ll seem kind of creepy like Sotomayor or Kaegan..

She was given her job, she didn’t get it..get it.

Oh so what Palin did is totally acceptable and fine and great, but Obama is to be condemned for doing the same thing. I get it. Thanks for clearing that up. I’m so glad you’re not partisan at all.

“Plug the damn hole daddy” was contrived, personal, and so over the top for political gain it was sick! You’re the partisan if you can’t see that.

me1ranger says:
June 9, 2010 at 2:57 pm

King, I admit I’m being unfair to Chelsea. I don’t harbor any ill will towards her at all, honest. I simply objected to you claiming she was “very successful” that’s all. And..I thought she blossomed quite well. She didn’t need any surgery and I thought that was dumb. She should have gone with what God gave her..

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I am going to take a pass on the plastic surgery, but I understand your “success” point. What I was actually saying was that she hadn’t gotten knocked up, didn’t drop out of school, but, in fact, earned a post graduate degree, doesn’t have any apparent drug or alcohol convictions, and is well-spoken. Success in the sense you meant it, a perfectly legitimate use of the word, comes later, if at all.

Maybe so, but I’m not losing any sleep over it, just like I don’t lose any sleep over a politician dragging their kids around with them. It’s only when one gets condemned for it while another gets a pass for purely partisan reasons that I call foul.

Okay King..we agree. Paul, you honestly think Palin is getting a pass? You have so much hatred for her that it clouds your judgment. She has young children, a busy travel schedule, and a husband who spends a lot of time out in the field. What is she supposed to do, hire a nanny? She could, but I respect her for wanting to keep her kids with her while their young. Chill out..

I am perfectly calm. You are twisting what I said and meant. If I see hypocrisy, if someone gives a person a pass while criticizing another for doing the same thing and the reason is partisan, then I have a problem with that. Make sense?

Cinton and Obama were guilty of “dragging their kids around” as you put it as well. I think that’s great for all of them, even though I don’t like the parents all that much.

Like I said before, both sides do it. It’s sort of a tradition in politics.

Agreed..I said it was a tradition for them to do it, at the beginning. So we’re done here?

On the kids as props issue? Sure.