This is a real NASCAR group . Going hard left constantly .

Last paragraph… Matthews uses Colin Powell as an example of how a republican should sound ?… Im thinking Matthews should really, really, really look for an example, somewhere, anywhere, make one up if you have to… of an example of how a democrat should sound… Its like the old saying… Take care of whats going on in your own backyard, before you hop the fence and decide what others should be doing…

MSNBC Playbook Rule #1: Since Obama’s policies are such a disaster that they can’t be defended, you must find a political figure from the last century whom you can attack. No one will find this convincing, but it will fill up air time. And anything is better, from the MSNBC perspective, than discussing what is happening right now in America — which is a failed administration, a corrupt government and an incompetent commander-in-chief.

Anyone who is willing to equate a group of radical terrorist, who have hijacked a global religion in their quest for power and glory, with their AMERICAN political opponents has either lost any tangible grasp on reality, or is the lowest form of political opportunist there is. If Gingrich is the genius so many of his supporters make him out to be, then he is a despicable human being and an American disgrace.

felixw said:
MSNBC Playbook Rule #1: Since Obama’s policies are such a disaster that they can’t be defended, you must find a political figure from the last century whom you can attack. No one will find this convincing, but it will fill up air time. And anything is better, from the MSNBC perspective, than discussing what is happening right now in America — which is a failed administration, a corrupt government and an incompetent commander-in-chief.

Newt is an msnbc plant?

sticks said:
Last paragraph… Matthews uses Colin Powell as an example of how a republican should sound ?… Im thinking Matthews should really, really, really look for an example, somewhere, anywhere, make one up if you have to… of an example of how a democrat should sound… Its like the old saying… Take care of whats going on in your own backyard, before you hop the fence and decide what others should be doing…

except here

Gingrich doesn’t even hold office right now. Just before taking over (-shudder-) as House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi called President Bush “an incompetent leader,” a “man with no judgement” and a “liar.” That is far lower than anything Gingrich has said. If he is dispicable or a disgrace, then Pelosi is the lowest form of slime on the face of the Earth.

Andy Lamb said:
Gingrich doesn’t even hold office right now. Just before taking over (-shudder-) as House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi called President Bush “an incompetent leader,” a “man with no judgement” and a “liar.” That is far lower than anything Gingrich has said. If he is dispicable or a disgrace, then Pelosi is the lowest form of slime on the face of the Earth.

seriously ANDY?
I’ve read your sensible – yes sensible postings – are you just defending the right, or did you listen to Newt

when voting on this page just always vote with the high number…and 99.9% of the time you will be rifgt

no-touchy-touchy said:
seriously ANDY?I’ve read your sensible – yes sensible postings – are you just defending the right, or did you listen to Newt

Would I say something like Gingrich said? No. Do I think it was a dumb thing to say? Yes. Let me – partially – correct myself, as I said that what Pelosi said was far, far worse. Maybe that was overstating things a little. However, Pelosi did call President Bush “an incompetent leader,” a “man with no judgement” and a “liar.” Her words. Very harsh, and certainly at least as bad as saying that Obama’s views are based on Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior.

Andy Lamb said:
Would I say something like Gingrich said? No. Do I think it was a dumb thing to say? Yes. Let me – partially – correct myself, as I said that what Pelosi said was far, far worse. Maybe that was overstating things a little. However, Pelosi did call President Bush “an incompetent leader,” a “man with no judgement” and a “liar.” Her words. Very harsh, and certainly at least as bad as saying that Obama’s views are based on Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior.

thank for listening – did you hear the stuff from the weekend
we need to confront 2 of the supreme court justices to make sure they do not vote for sharia law?

I think the concern about Sharia Law taking hold here is way premature. Still, if you go to You Tube and search Sharia Law in America, you’ll see why people are a little concerned about this long term. Again, I think the concern is very, very premature. It seems that in cities like Dearborn, MI the concern is a little more legit.

Andy Lamb said:
I think the concern about Sharia Law taking hold here is way premature. Still, if you go to You Tube and search Sharia Law in America, you’ll see why people are a little concerned about this long term. Again, I think the concern is very, very premature. It seems that in cities like Dearborn, MI the concern is a little more legit.

ok, i’ll look it up
thanks
but if you watch the speach
there is no political value
there is no policy everyone here claims
It is ONLY to stir up hatred and bigotry

I understand the pelosi thing
I have a spot started politicians that must go
at the moment, dems outnumber repubs
not that good at the startup site thing
and need to learn how to add blogs

but, HELP stop the crazies

Andy Lamb said:
I think the concern about Sharia Law taking hold here is way premature. Still, if you go to You Tube and search Sharia Law in America, you’ll see why people are a little concerned about this long term. Again, I think the concern is very, very premature. It seems that in cities like Dearborn, MI the concern is a little more legit.

and yes pelosi AND rangel (passed out in his beach chair) is there

Andy Lamb said:
Just before taking over (-shudder-) as House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi called President Bush “an incompetent leader,” a “man with no judgement” and a “liar.” That is far lower than anything Gingrich has said.

How does that even come close to holding Obama and Al Qaeda in equal proportion? That’s how the video in this post begins, with that comparison, out of Gingrich’s mouth. Pelosi is worse, why, because she insulted your guy? Is that it? Calling Obama a liar is a daily sport around here but calling Bush a liar is WORSE than equating Obama with the people that attacked us on 9/11? How can you expect anyone but a blind partisan to take that seriously? I enjoy our tete-a-tetes from time to time but that’s a level of blind faith that I can’t take seriously.

There is a certain sadness in seeing a man unaware that his ship has sailed. Waving at himself, as it were, from the dock as the ship becomes smaller and smaller. Discrediting Newt is the single positive accomplishment of the Tea Party. Other than the chuckles and chortles those crazy white people have given us!

He is trying to get attention!! I don’t think he running, because he just has too much baggage. He is just trying to stir the pot!! Newt, has hurt his family values image with the way he treated his former wives and that wouldn’t sit very well with some of his peers. #1 rule keep your powder dry.

Oh, and nice gratuitous inclusion of the (-shudder-), I’m sure you meant to convey to us that there was a sudden draft in your room and felt a slight chill as you typed. Yes, I’m quite sure that’s what you meant.

Andy Lamb said:
I think the concern about Sharia Law taking hold here is way premature. Still, if you go to You Tube and search Sharia Law in America, you’ll see why people are a little concerned about this long term. Again, I think the concern is very, very premature. It seems that in cities like Dearborn, MI the concern is a little more legit.

Please don’t tell Gretchen O’Van Karlsen that. Her purpose in life would be lost. If she couldn’t go all tense and frenetic about stonings in Central Park, she’d be consigned to going all a twitter over O’Kilmeade’s homoerotic wrestling demos.

Paul Westlake said:
Oh, and nice gratuitous inclusion of the (-shudder-), I’m sure you meant to convey to us that there was a sudden draft in your room and felt a slight chill as you typed. Yes, I’m quite sure that’s what you meant.

I think andy may have missed the scariest stuff
Hes level headed
we were just talking about this
I think we should slow down

just to make sure i may invest in this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj9r4R4xyYg

on a little side note
try listening to this while reading MediaWhore

oops
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmEZs_Kcms

what exactly has media matters’ eric boehlert done, other than polish old man soros’ knob?

no-touchy-touchy said:
I think andy may have missed the scariest stuff
Hes level headed
we were just talking about this
I think we should slow down

I’ve had some good debates with Andy but when he says worrying about Sharia Law is “premature,” it may be better than worrying about it becoming a fact next week, but I still think it means he’s been drinking too much kool-aid. Worrying about Sharia Law ever is silly. Radical Islam is never going to muscle hundreds of years of American jurisprudence out of the way and become the law of the land, anywhere in America. The whole notion is preposterous. Will there occasionally be pockets of radicals from any number of religions who attempt to impose their brand of justice on their communities? Of course, and some of them will even be Muslims. But none of them will win. It never works for long, if at all. American justice is too well-defined, too deeply stitched into every facet of American civil life for it to ever be subject to the encroachments of anything remotely like Sharia Law. And I don’t think it serves any level of our national debate to even entertain the notion as a legitimate concern. It isn’t, and we should move on without the people who want to linger on those kinds of subjects, imo. Our nation doesn’t have the luxury of entertaining that level of superstition for much longer.

Paul Westlake said:
Will there occasionally be pockets of radicals from any number of religions who attempt to impose their brand of justice on their communities?

bryan fischer from this weekend
there can never be freedom with the homosexual agenda
Gay Sex Is Just Like Terrorism

another nugget – We Spend More Money Supporting Unmarried People Than On National Defense

no-touchy-touchy said:
bryan fischer from this weekend
there can never be freedom with the homosexual agenda
Gay Sex Is Just Like Terrorism

Exactly. American justice is constantly bombarded from all sides, and it always comes out standing.

Point well taken.

or mike pence
Says banning gay marriage is good for the federal budget.

Paul Westlake said:
Exactly. American justice is constantly bombarded from all sides, and it always comes out standing.

Point well taken.

I hope so
pretty scary right now

point – tea party claims to be about fiscal responsibility
how many moral values can we attach to budget issues?

no-touchy-touchy said:
or mike pence
Says banning gay marriage is good for the federal budget.

Or for that matter, the overt involvement of the Utah-based Mormon church in helping to pass California’s odious Proposition 8. If people were concerned about separation of church and State, they wouldn’t stand up and cheer when their flock makes the assault. It’s all so very convenient, isn’t it? ;-)

no-touchy-touchy said:
how many moral values can we attach to budget issues?

Couldn’t possibly count. Right on the money! (ba-dum) ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
How does that even come close to holding Obama and Al Qaeda in equal proportion? That’s how the video in this post begins, with that comparison, out of Gingrich’s mouth. Pelosi is worse, why, because she insulted your guy? Is that it? Calling Obama a liar is a daily sport around here but calling Bush a liar is WORSE than equating Obama with the people that attacked us on 9/11? How can you expect anyone but a blind partisan to take that seriously? I enjoy our tete-a-tetes from time to time but that’s a level of blind faith that I can’t take seriously.

(1) Gingrich made an analogous comparison, said two different fronts, and mentioned the Socialist agenda of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi on one front and radical Islam on another front. He didn’t say they were two equal evils. Look, I don’t agree with the way he presented his views, but let’s not try to claim he called Obama the same as an Al Qaeda terrorist when he didn’t.

(2) GW Bush is not “my guy” as you stated. Hardly, actually. I brought up the Pelosi comments because they were disrespectful and repulsive things for someone about to become House Speaker to say. And yes, in my opinion, just as bad as anything Gingrich said.

Paul Westlake said:
Or for that matter, the overt involvement of the Utah-based Mormon church in helping to pass California’s odious Proposition 8. If people were concerned about separation of church and State, they wouldn’t stand up and cheer when their flock makes the assault. It’s all so very convenient, isn’t it? ;-)

sorry, back to the debate over supreme court and interpretation of the constitution
seen it here
heard it from christine
its not freedom from religion
its freedom of religion
when john adams said
Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people
what religion do you think he was talking about – christian

Andy Lamb said:
(1) Gingrich made an analogous comparison, said two different fronts, and mentioned the Socialist agenda of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi on one front and radical Islam on another front.

I get you – I said you would be back with reason
but when he says
“And we should make clear to Justice [Stephen] Breyer and Justice [Elena] Kagan, who both seem confused on this topic, that no judge will remain in office who tries to use Sharia law to interpret the US Constitution,”
how will you get rid of a supreme court judge
all “those” people are scary no?
where is the political value in this?

Paul Westlake said:
Oh, and nice gratuitous inclusion of the (-shudder-), I’m sure you meant to convey to us that there was a sudden draft in your room and felt a slight chill as you typed. Yes, I’m quite sure that’s what you meant.

Nah, the shudder was pretty straightforward – the thought of Nancy Pelosi makes me shudder. She is a hypocrite, a huge recipient of special interest money, a “champion for the poor” who is among the richest members of Congress, a union supporter who owns a $25 million Napa vineyards and winery with her husband which is, of course, a non-union shop. She has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress, yet the resort hotel in Wine Country, which she also holds a large stake in, is also non-union. She was handed her seat in Congress by the Burton family over two decades ago, who endorsed her after she spent years licking their boots. She has never won a meaningful election in her lifetime. She tacitly supported all of the vitriol during the Bush years, even contributed to it, then got teary eyed when speaking about the current environment and criticism of the current administration.

no-touchy-touchy said:
And we should make clear to Justice [Stephen] Breyer and Justice [Elena] Kagan, who both seem confused on this topic

my 2 favorite justices to listen to are roberts and breyer
maybe breyer is left of you but confused on this topic of sharia law?

Andy Lamb said:
Nah, the shudder was pretty straightforward

I got it – getting to know your posts
like I said she is near the top of my politicians to go

Andy Lamb said:
Speaker, Nancy Pelosi called President Bush “an incompetent leader,” a “man with no judgement” and a “liar.”

Yeah, that’s when the RWers jumped all over her saying you shouldn’t criticize a sitting President especially when the countries at war. Whatever happened to that sermon by the RWers?

Paul Westlake said:
Couldn’t possibly count. Right on the money! (ba-dum) ;-)

new picturee – you a soccer coach?

no-touchy-touchy said:
but when he says
“And we should make clear to Justice [Stephen] Breyer and Justice [Elena] Kagan, who both seem confused on this topic, that no judge will remain in office who tries to use Sharia law to interpret the US Constitution,”
how will you get rid of a supreme court judge
all “those” people are scary no?
where is the political value in this?

I think he’s referring to something like this –

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/05/critics-allege-elena-kagan-is-sympathetic-to-sharia-law/

Is Kagan a very, very liberal person? Yes, she is. Do I think Kagan wants to see Sharia Law here in the U.S.? No, I don’t. Newt’s comments are over the top, no doubt about it.

Andy Lamb said:
Gingrich made an analogous comparison, said two different fronts, and mentioned the Socialist agenda of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi on one front and radical Islam on another front. He didn’t say they were two equal evils. Look, I don’t agree with the way he presented his views, but let’s not try to claim he called Obama the same as an Al Qaeda terrorist when he didn’t.

By putting those two concepts on co-equal “fronts,” that’s precisely what he did and what he intended to do, and exactly how his audience understood it, i.e., they both have the potential to destroy America with equal totality. Good freaking grief!

Andy Lamb said:
GW Bush is not “my guy” as you stated. Hardly, actually. I brought up the Pelosi comments because they were disrespectful and repulsive things for someone about to become House Speaker to say. And yes, in my opinion, just as bad as anything Gingrich said.

Repulsive? Claiming Obama is lying about his very identity, impugning his character as some sleeper agent for authoritarian “Statism,” isn’t repulsive, but calling someone a liar, when, in fact, they provably ARE a liar, is? I’m sorry, but we’re back to double-standard definitions of what ad hominem means again – question conservative statements and actions, ad hominem; impugn liberal character, A-OK! I’m not buying it.

Andy Lamb said:
Nah, the shudder was pretty straightforward – the thought of Nancy Pelosi makes me shudder. She is a hypocrite….

Sure, she and her Democratic criminal gang members are the only politicians in America who could be safely described as “hypocrites.” All the conservatives are clean as a whistle. Jack Abramoff? Who? I’ll just go ahead and take your word for everything you said about her… so what? The magnitude of the layers between the Congressional GOP and the once and future private sector payouts they enjoy for doing the bidding of the corporate elite is staggering, but let’s make Pelosi the poster child for government corruption. The obvious solution to all these types of corruption is full public financing of all federal elections, but that would be creeping Statism, or some other such spooky buzzword combination. I am thoroughly unmoved by any of your arguments, or your faux indignation. And I’m tired of selective indignation from people who have no interest in seeing the process for what it is and offering up practical solutions that actually make sense.

Tax cuts!

no-touchy-touchy said:
new picturee – you a soccer coach?

No, that’s the last day at old Yankee Stadium. Pre-production meeting. I like the gesture for an avatar, looks like I’m presenting my own words. ;-)

the real john t said:
Yeah, that’s when the RWers jumped all over her saying you shouldn’t criticize a sitting President especially when the countries at war. Whatever happened to that sermon by the RWers?

Oh yeah, that, too. ;-)

Andy Lamb said:
I think he’s referring to something like this –

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/05/critics-allege-elena-kagan-is-sympathetic-to-sharia-law/

Is Kagan a very, very liberal person? Yes, she is. Do I think Kagan wants to see Sharia Law here in the U.S.? No, I don’t. Newt’s comments are over the top, no doubt about it.

thanks
i’ll do some research – sounds a little like jumping to a few conclusions
2 things jump out
Included in Kagan’s offensives as dean, according to McCarthy, was condoning the acceptance of $20 million from Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal (fox news ownership fame) who blamed the attacks of 9/11 on American foreign policy (so does ron paul)

Paul Westlake said:
No, that’s the last day at old Yankee Stadium. Pre-production meeting. I like the gesture for an avatar, looks like I’m presenting my own words. ;-)

ah – I didn’t get that
Andy Lamb was the first to get my pic

no-touchy-touchy said:
condoning the acceptance of $20 million

1 more – what would be said of a dean who turned down $20M for their college?

Paul Westlake said:
I am thoroughly unmoved by any of your arguments, or your faux indignation. And I’m tired of selective indignation from people who have no interest in seeing the process for what it is and offering up practical solutions that actually make sense.

Tax cuts!

And that puts you and I on VERY, VERY even footing.

Tax increases! Tax rebates for people who don’t pay taxes to begin with! Universal healthcare! Universal housing! Universal bailouts (especially for Unions, of course)!

Paul Westlake said:
All the conservatives are clean as a whistle

Paul he did make sure he said

Andy Lamb said:
GW Bush is not “my guy” as you stated. Hardly, actually.

Andy Lamb said:
And that puts you and I on VERY, VERY even footing.

Tax increases! Tax rebates for people who don’t pay taxes to begin with! Universal healthcare! Universal housing! Universal bailouts (especially for Unions, of course)!

In fact why not debate the “real” issues here
I see everyone claim to want to talk about these thing and then use the your guys worse argument

My frustration with most of the talk is that Obama hid his ideas from us
when the election was happening, people like David Frum wanted to open Obamas book and debate the issues, but was scorned as a RINO

I read it – black and white – healthcare and education
2 things that he believed needed to happen for all children to have an equal opportunity in US

If you sat on your ass and listened to FOX and NRO only want to talk about the scary different man, then you should be angry with yourself for not debating issues like everyone seems to want to do now

Newt Gingrich is kind of like the villain in ghostbusters.

A giant marshmallow

Bah-buh-dum

no-touchy-touchy said:
Paul Westlake said:
All the conservatives are clean as a whistle

Paul he did make sure he said

Andy Lamb said:
GW Bush is not “my guy” as you stated. Hardly, actually.

I know, but then he want on to defend much more offensive attacks on Obama than anything Pelosi ever said about Bush. Andy and I can get along, but I’m really feeling the double standard from him tonight… and I guess I’m not in the mood. ;-)

If newt had an affair while chastising clinton for doing so
and left wife in the hospital for another woman while preaching family values
should we now believe he is leaving this wife for a Kenyan?

Paul Westlake said:
I know, but then he want on to defend much more offensive attacks on Obama than anything Pelosi ever said about Bush. Andy and I can get along, but I’m really feeling the double standard from him tonight… and I guess I’m not in the mood. ;-)

been there

no-touchy-touchy said:
In fact why not debate the “real” issues here
I see everyone claim to want to talk about these thing and then use the your guys worse argument

I was making a snarky joke with my “tax cuts!” comment, and it can now easily devolve into a shouting match over pet ideologies, I agree. But sticking to the point from this post, I’m so deeply offended by Gingrich’s outrageous accusations about the left and so thoroughly disgusted with what passes for a conservative argument these days that I’m losing my cool. Think I’ll navigate away from this thread. ;-)

no-touchy-touchy said:
been there

couple of us are pokin at gordy right now
more fun than lettin it get to ya

Paul Westlake said:
I was making a snarky joke with my “tax cuts!” comment, and it can now easily devolve into a shouting match over pet ideologies, I agree. But sticking to the point from this post, I’m so deeply offended by Gingrich’s outrageous accusations about the left and so thoroughly disgusted with what passes for a conservative argument these days that I’m losing my cool. Think I’ll navigate away from this thread. ;-)

came here tonite extremely angry after watching all the stuff we spoke of above
gordys at the bristol palin thread

Paul Westlake said:
I was making a snarky joke with my “tax cuts!” comment

I got it
online does not work the same as face to face

no-touchy-touchy said:
gordys at the bristol palin thread

just drive by insults

no-touchy-touchy said:
no-touchy-touchy said:
gordys at the bristol palin thread

just drive by insults

Making popcorn! LOL!

Paul Westlake said:
Making popcorn! LOL!

he started in with the hide behind fake names then hide under the bed

tossed this back at him
1) people on the right have false names, but that doed not matter
2) people hide under their beds for fear of the red scare you keep squakin about

by the way – I found a headline you might be interested in
Joseph Raymond McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957)
HES DEAD

Paul Westlake said:
Making popcorn! LOL!

hows the new news venture comin?

no-touchy-touchy said:
people hide under their beds for fear of the red scare you keep squakin about

Solid!

no-touchy-touchy said:
Joseph Raymond McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957)
HES DEAD

LOL

no-touchy-touchy said:
hows the new news venture comin?

It’s a long, slow process. Kind of in limbo a bit as I gather responses to the poll and tweak specifics. I hope to present the plan to heavy duty investors within a couple months.

workin now?

Working at home all week. Working on a script for a client video. Grunt work but a fun scenario.

How about you?

Paul Westlake said:
How about you?

nope
little bit of inventory left but season is over
Have a call tomorrow with a guy who wants any of
partial owner/manager/technician at a computer store

just had a survey pop up survey for aluminum foil
sound right for most folks here

no-touchy-touchy said:
just had a survey pop up survey for aluminum foil
sound right for most folks here

What a strange and wonderful coincidence. LOL

guess they know their audience here

check out this thread
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/keith-olbermann-brings-us-up-to-speed-with-christine-odonnells-greatest-hits/#comment-150739
and go to bottom and read what
hgovernick says:

no-touchy-touchy said:
check out this thread
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/keith-olbermann-brings-us-up-to-speed-with-christine-odonnells-greatest-hits/#comment-150739
and go to bottom and read what
hgovernick says:

Wow and wow!

Paul Westlake said:
Wow and wow!

ps
Have to admit envy
You have job close to what I wanted to do (1978)
started as a DJ

I’ve worked with some very talented radio people, much more talented DJs than I could ever be. So I know a little how you feel. Like any profession, it has its ups and downs. But one thing I know – my media savvy gives me a pretty nice edge in some of these debates. ;-)

And trust me, we AV technicians have a considerable amount of envy for networkers and engineers. ;-)

Andy Lamb said:
I think the concern about Sharia Law taking hold here is way premature. Still, if you go to You Tube and search Sharia Law in America, you’ll see why people are a little concerned about this long term. Again, I think the concern is very, very premature. It seems that in cities like Dearborn, MI the concern is a little more legit.

We’ve had 200+ years of Christians wanting to impose their moral system on us and so far it hasn’t happened. Even if some Muslims wanted that there isn’t a chance in hell that could happen. It’s a ridiculous talking point.

Are we sharia compliant or aren’t we?

Andy Lamb said:
Gingrich doesn’t even hold office right now. Just before taking over (-shudder-) as House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi called President Bush “an incompetent leader,” a “man with no judgement” and a “liar.” That is far lower than anything Gingrich has said. If he is dispicable or a disgrace, then Pelosi is the lowest form of slime on the face of the Earth.

AMEN to that!!!!!

CosmosDan said:
We’ve had 200+ years of Christians wanting to impose their moral system on us and so far it hasn’t happened. Even if some Muslims wanted that there isn’t a chance in hell that could happen. It’s a ridiculous talking point.

Or else were gonna toss those two Supreme Court Justices.

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