“…“fanatics” who don’t believe the deadline for raising the debt ceiling is real and who seem very willing to let the country default on its loan obligations. ”

King Barry voted against raising it , Matthews .

Is King Barry a fanatic ? Of course .

Obama is in a rush because he doesn’t want any of his July or August vacations spoiled by possibly having to work .

The Republicans ARE practicing economic terrorism. Matthews simply didn’t state the word “economic.” It’s terrorism nonetheless. The Republicans are willing to literally destroy the American economy and risk worldwide depression simply for politics. In a way, I think the Republicans enjoy playing economic terrorism with the country. They get to feel important for once. Well, if somehow their “bomb” (not agreeing to reasonable tax increases on the filthiest of the filthy rich) “goes off” (the nation defaults). We’ll all be ruined, including them. The Republicans are acting like children. Very dangerous children. I pray President Obama can talk the psycho GOP down. President Obama once again will have to be the adult in the room.

Barack ( Huey Long ) Obama demagogues ” Corporate Jets! Millionaires and Billionaires ! Oil and Gas Subsidies !

Doesn’t mention all the ” Green Job ” money he has flushed away .
All the union giveaways . All the money blown around the world by him on a whim .
All the money he and Moochy spend on themselves .

Rein that in , Barry . you’re not a king .

You work for us . On the rare days that you work .

Why does this Walsh woman always look like she just ate a five pound lemon?

Chris, can you spell “hyperbole”?

Obama is a spoiled little boy , screams and whines to get his way .

In the end , the adults ( the voters) will stop his tantrum .

Hey Puffball,

The entire tax code must be redacted, that’s a given the majority of Americans want – and a completely separate issue.

Spending is the problem, and not just the dollar amount.

Government Dependency through taxpayer-funded give-aways to “social justice” welfare programs vitiate Hope & Change, they don’t encourage it!
And the communities effected most by these welfare-for-your-vote programs have been inner-city black communities.

The cruel irony is that black voters are the most loyal block the Democrats have, yet they’re continuously taken for granted, promised improvement, and then abandoned until the next election.

Then, Democrats & their media conjure some “RACIST!” Smear against the GOP, expecting that ploy to work, as it has, over and over again.
But alas, as per my previous comment, there’s a new sheriff in town and a FOX in the Democratic Media Whorehouse!
w many two-year-olds were gunned down by street gangs in 1961?
What was the single-parent birth rate & crime rate in black communities in 1961? – under 40%
What is it today? – 80-85%

My show is absolutely non-partisan.

Chris “I have an Obama shaped tingle running up my leg and into my nether regions” Matthews

If you raise the debt ceiling, you are STILL ‘kicking the can down the road,’ as Obamo likes to say will happen if we don’t. The way Dim limp-wristed Libs spend, they’ll hit whatever the new ceiling happens to be…and once again, there will be that can…waiting to be kicked.

Obamo needs to make numerous ‘open-air’ appearances before large crowds; that might help him get his point across.

Rusty Shackelford said:
Why does this Walsh woman always look like she just ate a five pound lemon?

It’s the face of today’s Democratic Party!

He’s accused the GOP of being “suicide bombers” before too. Of course, since hes a left winger Democrat, he gets a pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP7xts5s5u4

Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge said:
He’s accused the GOP of being “suicide bombers” before too. Of course, since hes a left winger Democrat, he gets a pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP7xts5s5u4

Find a liberal who likes Chris Matthews…..remember the Bush years?

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
My show is absolutely non-partisan.

Chris “I have an Obama shaped tingle running up my leg and into my nether regions” Matthews

Don’t forget, “its my job to make this presidency successful”?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFJvlzDpey4

im_lovin_it said:
Find a liberal who likes Chris Matthews…..remember the Bush years?

Yeah, he was calling it “the Bush regime” and spending every night trashing Bush with whatever the Daily Kos put out the day before.

Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge said:
He’s accused the GOP of being “suicide bombers” before too. Of course, since hes a left winger Democrat, he gets a pass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP7xts5s5u4

Keep exposing those “passes” by the Corrupt, Democratic Media – IT IS eroding their influence!

Sometimes you’re a real idiot, Mathews.

Only to a “liberal” does allowing people to keep their own money = terrorism.
How miserably inadequate of you, Mattews. Just pathetic.

“These people”……how dare they not agree to pay for the things we we couldn’t afford.

Rusty Shackelford said:
Why does this Walsh woman always look like she just ate a five pound lemon?

botox

Mediaite loves Tweety because he always has something that makes his guests say, “Um. Ok.” every night.

namseer said:
President Obama once again will have to be the adult in the room.

President Obama voted NO on raising the debt ceiling when he was a Senator. So, I am sure you were saying the same things about him at the time that you are saying about the Republicans now?

namseer said:
The Republicans ARE practicing economic terrorism. Matthews simply didn’t state the word “economic.” It’s terrorism nonetheless. The Republicans are willing to literally destroy the American economy and risk worldwide depression simply for politics. In a way, I think the Republicans enjoy playing economic terrorism with the country. They get to feel important for once. Well, if somehow their “bomb” (not agreeing to reasonable tax increases on the filthiest of the filthy rich) “goes off” (the nation defaults). We’ll all be ruined, including them. The Republicans are acting like children. Very dangerous children. I pray President Obama can talk the psycho GOP down. President Obama once again will have to be the adult in the room.

Tell me did you feel that same when the democrats were practicing economic “terrorism”? When Obama made his statement or was that different some how?

Please enlighten me cause I’m confused.

Another ‘False choice’ argument from Walsh and Chris. No one, not the Republicans or the Tea Party is suggesting Default, and not paying the debt; No One. What we are saying is service the debt, but do not add to our problems by borrowing more.

The First thing one must do to get out of the hole, is stop digging.

Wait! Did Matthews get a thrill up his leg or hear the Earth move today over Obama? You know how it is with these “unbiased” media types. LOL. Why doesn’t he just admit his man-love obsession and get it over with?

President Obama’s foreign policy could be more appropriately labeled “terrorism”.

seek said:
Tell me did you feel that same when the democrats were practicing economic “terrorism”? When Obama made his statement or was that different some how?

Please enlighten me cause I’m confused.

At what point were the Democrats playing economic terrorism? During health care? The Bush years? Every time the Republicans were able to pick off just enough Senate Democrats to water down a Democratic proposal or give Bush what he wanted, including judicial appointments AND debt ceiling increases.

I’m sorry, I do not remember a time recently when the Democrats as a block decided to stubbornly do something that could trigger an economic catastrophe simply for political points or appeasing someone like Grover Norquist.

Old Tweety was correct on his description. It is a FACT that the people who set the hose on fire are trying to pour gasoline on the fire. Just a bunch of suicide teabaggers preparing to blow up the world economy.

Matthews also said “dicking around”, so perhaps he should get suspended indefinitely. Oh wait a minute, he was talking about Republicans…soit’s a-ok.

bwahahaha

Such a double standard.

Furthermore, where were Chrissy and this bitch/whore (words approved by NOW and the ladies of the view) when Obama was voting NO on increasing the debt ceiling. was he “dicking around” then too?

Once again, COMCAST has shown it has NO standards when it’s hosts call republicans terrorists, wahhabis, or whatever, just don’t say anything negative about hehimself, or you are outa there.

Soooo funny.

Does anyone else find it odd that there’s a huge video ad that plays on this site OF CHRIS MATTHEWS? That guy could not get 1 million to watch his show if he had Casey Anthony on to admit her guilt.

what those who oppose any tax increases fail to understand is that, if you don’t raise
taxes on those making more than, say, $400,000/annual, then you are asking the middle
and lower classes to pay that missing revenue instead.

and those who argue that we only have a spending problem, and not a revenue problem,
have no idea how to use a calculator. it’s really that simple.

historically, whenever we’ve had higher tax rates on the rich, we’ve had higher
economic growth.

republicans know that raising taxes will raise revenue, but they don’t want that to happen
because then obama will get credit for it, and will get re-elected.

he sees “fanatics” who don’t believe the deadline for raising the debt ceiling is real and who seem very willing to let the country default on its loan obligations.
—————————————————————-

But you don’t have a problem with your Chill in the White House giving 1 1/2 trillion dollars to Wall Street in the form of bailouts & 0% “loans”?
Is this one of the many times where Obama says one thing – but really has no intention of doing it.
I think there’s a word for that/

Matthews, you’re such an obvious hypocrite!

NORBIT Jr. said:
Hey Puffball,

The entire tax code must be redacted, that’s a given the majority of Americans want

a majority of americans (81%) want taxes raised on the rich.

darladoon said:
republicans know that raising taxes will raise revenue, but they don’t want that to happenbecause then obama will get credit for it, and will get re-elected.

Actually, it’s because they want to devastate the out-of-control spending apparatus in Washington.
Not just for the dollar amount; but to end the Generational Dependency that spending creates on a free people.

2012freedom said:
President Obama voted NO on raising the debt ceiling when he was a Senator.

Needs repeating. ;)

NORBIT Jr. said:
Actually, it’s because they want to devastate the out-of-control spending apparatus in Washington.
Not just for the dollar amount; but to end the Generational Dependency that spending creates on a free people.

you are obviously living in some parallel reality. because where i live, senior citizens and
poor people need to see a doctor once in awhile.

actually, norbit, democrats/republicans have cut spending.

i woudn’t call our spending “out of control,” unless you’re talking about
the two pointless wars and egregious tax cuts.

darladoon said:
a majority of americans (81%) want taxes raised on the rich.

See above.
—————-

Then, they’ll work to redact the entire tax code debacle.

The Tea Party is the group pushing most for that because they’re not using that tax code as a payoff resource to special interest groups, as both of the other parties do. to thei

Not increasing the Debt limit will not harm the Economy at all, Increasing our national debt does.

Not increasing the Debt Limit does it mean default on the debt…That is Fear Mongering from the left, while ignoring what is Really being said. In short, the Progressives are lying again.

No one, and I mean No One in the Tea Party, no Republican, or anyone on the right has said anything about defaulting on the Debt; In Fact they have clearly stated the opposite. What has been said consistently from the right is that the current debt will be serviced and repaid. There will be no Default; That is a lie.

The thing is tho, we are now borrowing over $.40 of every$1.00 we spend, and that cannot continue if we ever hope to build a strong economy again. The simple truth is We are Broke, and ignoring that reality is not an option…no matter how much the Progressives want to.

You cant pay back your debt, if you just keep borrowing more…

Matthews: Republican Refusal To Raise Taxes In Debt Negotiations Is ‘Terrorism’

I’m Terrorized every time I see Matthews face on Mediaite

darladoon said:
republicans know that raising taxes will raise revenue, but they don’t want that to happen
because then obama will get credit for it, and will get re-elected.

Thank you @darladoon. You make a fantastic point. The Republicans have been rooting for President Obama to fail since day one. The sad part is that *America* itself has to fail in order for President Obama to fail. Since the Republicans have taken back the U.S. House, they have done everything in their power to stop or damage the President’s efforts to improve the economy. The economy has improved some, but whatever progress we’ve made will be wiped away if the Republicans are successful in their attempt at economic terrorism and cause the nation to default. THEY DON’T CARE! The worse the economy gets, the better it is for them because they can blame President Obama for the bad economy in ’12, when it was *their* stubbornness, *their* ineptitude, and *their* crass politics that have kept the economy from flourishing. The Republicans learned a lesson from the Clinton years. If you raise taxes on the rich, the middle class is better off. The deficit gets paid down. All of the money that the rich keep piling up and up and up–hoarded to put it simply–is put back into circulation. The economy then recovers more quickly. That would be a win for President Obama. The Republicans *won’t* allow that. Therefore, the Republicans will bring the WHOLE ship down in order to put some spineless dolt like Mitt Romney or crazy person like Michele Bachmann into the White House. Do the Republicans have evil intent? You betcha!

CEO’s pay went up 23% more than last year. Where are the jobs? Guess the big boys decided to keep the money for themselves. Isn’t that great?

The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer.

darladoon said:
actually, norbit, democrats/republicans have cut spending. i woudn’t call our spending “out of control,” unless you’re talking aboutthe two pointless wars and egregious tax cuts.

Yes and yes…and the turn-back of Glass-Steagal, and myriad other regulatory machinations, as well.

That all took place under Clinton, and it incentivized capital TRADING in lieu of capital INVESTMENT.
The money-pushers at Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Citi, Hedge Funds, Investment Banks, etc. made out great – they’ve made out BEST, actually, under Obama!
The rest of the country, not so good.

As for the wars, get the soldiers out of that quagmire in Afghanistan, and use drones, targeted air and special forces strikes, and their own government corruption to control potential threats from the region.

I think the rightwingers whom habituate this blog are insane and in serious denial. As already stated the vast majority of Americans want people making over $250,000 to pay more than they’re currently paying – really progressive taxation has been very successful in the past. As Warren Buffett famously said, his secretary pays a higher percentage of her income in taxes than he does. The symbolism displayed by rightwingers is patently that of a slave devoted to his master – for you people, royalty never died and yet you go on about the glories of the American Revolution when we proudly proclaimed no more tribute to the king.
There is enough money and energy in this country to get us back on our feet quickly instead of being mired down in our own frustrated greed, stupidity and selfishness. History is not going to be kind to Republicans. It will be even worse than their isolationalism and opposition to Roosevelt’s policies such as social security and bank reform and winning the Second World War.
Yes, tax the rich, stop the socialism for corporations. Get the corporations to start spending money to create jobs and demand for their products and services. Republicans still believe in fairy tales like trickle down economics. Now there’s a variant of capitalism that has never worked. Do you people really want an end to Medicaire and Social Security and the privatization of everything that moves? I’m sure you would want to end Medicaid because it mainly benefits the poor. Compassion for the lesser amongst us is not a strong rightwing characteristic. As I said, there is still a strong minority in this country of people who are not playing with a full deck. Fortunately, demographics is rapidly working against the backward rightwing. When was the rightwing ever on the right side of history.

You crap for brains liberal moron, Chris Matthews, when are the “progressives” going to get sereous about talking cutting programs and costs? Is it the least bit important to you or any of them about cutting down the budget?
You can babble on about the imperfections of the opposition, but cover the obstinate Democrats that just go on and on about additional borrowing on behalf of our kids and grand kids.
It really saddens me that our elected officials are as stupid as Chris Matthews and that so many of my fellow Americans buy in to their crap.
Government needs to reduce spending now and quit screwing with our future.

darladoon said:
you are obviously living in some parallel reality. because where i live, senior citizens andpoor people need to see a doctor once in awhile.

Don’t be sophmoric.
No one is advocating the abolition of government; just the abolition of an overbearing, social-engineering government.
When government programs undermine individual responsibility, and instead create generational dependency, then those programs are anathema to the social order, personal freedoms, and human development. They’re the ones that have to go, not Granny over the cliff!

So Tingles thinks that anyone who wants to cut over bloated Government spending are terrorists? WoW.

Why is it so hard for the left to understand that we DO NOT have a TAX problem……We…scratch that…..Obama and the Socialist left have a spending problem!!

Wake the hell up you ignorant stupid people!!!

Ah more “new tone” from the liberal media. Matthews has been on a tear calling Republicans “evil” and now he pulls out “terrorist”. When the next whacko lefty decides he/she has to shoot somebody, is it going to be Matthews responsibility? Somebody should ask him.

TfT said:
Matthews also said “dicking around”, so perhaps he should get suspended indefinitely. Oh wait a minute, he was talking about Republicans…soit’s a-ok.

bwahahaha

Such a double standard.

Furthermore, where were Chrissy and this bitch/whore (words approved by NOW and the ladies of the view) when Obama was voting NO on increasing the debt ceiling. was he “dicking around” then too?

Once again, COMCAST has shown it has NO standards when it’s hosts call republicans terrorists, wahhabis, or whatever, just don’t say anything negative about hehimself, or you are outa there.

Soooo funny.

Soooo true!

NBC is going to change the “cock” in their peacock logo to a “dick”.

Matthews needs to be suspended, or COMCAST will indeed be a laughing stock. There are zero standards at MSNBC….there is one rule only:

Thou shalt not disparage hehimselftehone, but you can slander/trash/condemn/criticize any republican and you will get a pass.

What a joke of a network they are.

Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge said:
Yeah, he was calling it “the Bush regime” and spending every night trashing Bush with whatever the Daily Kos put out the day before.

Yeah? Why don’t you look up what Matthews said the day W strutted his stuff on the aircraft carrier. See if that sounds like Daily Kos scripts.

Matthews is a media hack…. not a liberal.

Matthews: Republican Refusal To Raise Taxes In Debt Negotiations Is ‘Terrorism’

Translation: If you disagree with Chris you are a Terrorist.

Obama can’t even be bothered to send the Ambassador to England to honor one of our greatest Presidents .
A petty little , little man is Barry .

“The people of England erected a statue to Ronald Reagan and dedicated it on the Fourth of July in the year of the 100th anniversary of the Gipper’s birth.

President Obama snubbed it.

So did Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

So did the ambassador to England.

The British get it.

The British now know what a petty little tyrant Americans elected in 2008.”

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/37282

The handle says it all:

Sigh….miss you Glenn.

namseer said:
At what point were the Democrats playing economic terrorism? During health care? The Bush years? Every time the Republicans were able to pick off just enough Senate Democrats to water down a Democratic proposal or give Bush what he wanted, including judicial appointments AND debt ceiling increases.

I’m sorry, I do not remember a time recently when the Democrats as a block decided to stubbornly do something that could trigger an economic catastrophe simply for political points or appeasing someone like Grover Norquist.

http://geekpolitics.com/obama-on-raising-the-debt-ceiling/

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NORBIT Jr. said:
Don’t be sophmoric.
No one is advocating the abolition of government; just the abolition of an overbearing, social-engineering government.
When government programs undermine individual responsibility, and instead create generational dependency, then those programs are anathema to the social order, personal freedoms, and human development. They’re the ones that have to go, not Granny over the cliff!

so you’d obviously rather senior citizens and poor people become dependent on
insurance companies.

these vague, tea party “theories” (e.g. that social programs like medicare create “dependency”)
are so unrealistic and absurd.

people need healthcare to survive, not “freedom” (whatever that means)

norbit basically is the blogging-equivalent of rand paul

darladoon said:
. people need healthcare to survive, not “freedom” (whatever that means)

and that says it all folks

seek said:
http://geekpolitics.com/obama-on-raising-the-debt-ceiling/

@seek, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the debt ceiling INDEED raised even though Obama was against it? At what point did the Democrats tell Dubya “Hey, do what we want or we’ll let the economy go full meltdown. Our way or game over!” That didn’t happen. *That’s* what the Republicans are doing *now*. It’s called economic terrorism. And, thank you for yet again reminding us of President Obama’s stance when he was a junior senator from Illinois back FIVE years ago when the economy had yet to implode and economic circumstances were *immensely* different. Simply, the situation now is completely incongruous to 2006. Things change and President Obama has the ability to recognize this fact. We had a president named Dubya that for eight years decided on a course and followed it, no matter how much situations changed and no matter how disastrous the course was. Dubya became an utter failure. President Obama is attempting to avoid such a fate. However, the Republicans are doing their level best to see to it that President Obama becomes every bit the failure that Dubya was, even if they have to *literally* destroy the American economy and trigger a worldwide depression to do it. THAT *is* economic terrorism.

namseer said:
@seek, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the debt ceiling INDEED raised even though Obama was against it? At what point did the Democrats tell Dubya “Hey, do what we want or we’ll let the economy go full meltdown. Our way or game over!” That didn’t happen. *That’s* what the Republicans are doing *now*. It’s called economic terrorism. And, thank you for yet again reminding us of President Obama’s stance when he was a junior senator from Illinois back FIVE years ago when the economy had yet to implode and economic circumstances were *immensely* different. Simply, the situation now is completely incongruous to 2006. Things change and President Obama has the ability to recognize this fact. We had a president named Dubya that for eight years decided on a course and followed it, no matter how much situations changed and no matter how disastrous the course was. Dubya became an utter failure. President Obama is attempting to avoid such a fate. However, the Republicans are doing their level best to see to it that President Obama becomes every bit the failure that Dubya was, even if they have to *literally* destroy the American economy and trigger a worldwide depression to do it. THAT *is* economic terrorism.

You’re ignoring the point. Did you “read” what Obama said? Suddenly he’s not saying the same thing is he?
You don’t find any problem with his hypocrisy (of course not).

You asked for proof – I gave you proof. End of argument. Don’t care about the rest because the democrats are showboating and it’s sickening.

The Rs got elected in the biggest landslide in 70 years. They were elected specifically to roll back Obama/Bush spending. So far they have not been able to do that because the left still controls the Senate and the executive branch. Vote down the debt ceiling increase and roll the dice. Every year the financial intelligentsia claim that the system will collapse if they don’t get another bailout. No, the truth is they might lose some money if we don’t bail them out but the system will not collapse. The debt ceiling increase is just another bailout, this time we are bailing out the office holders who are so far incapable of making a tough decision. Obama and those Democrat cowards refuse to even write a budget. Don’t bail them out.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Obama can’t even be bothered to send the Ambassador to England to honor one of our greatest Presidents .
A petty little , little man is Barry .

“The people of England erected a statue to Ronald Reagan and dedicated it on the Fourth of July in the year of the 100th anniversary of the Gipper’s birth.

President Obama snubbed it.

So did Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

So did the ambassador to England.

The British get it.

The British now know what a petty little tyrant Americans elected in 2008.”

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/37282

NAILED IT!

The Lantern of Truth said:
Obama can’t even be bothered to send the Ambassador to England to honor one of our greatest Presidents .A petty little , little man is Barry . “The people of England erected a statue to Ronald Reagan and dedicated it on the Fourth of July in the year of the 100th anniversary of the Gipper’s birth. President Obama snubbed it. So did Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. So did the ambassador to England. The British get it. The British now know what a petty little tyrant Americans elected in 2008.” http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/37282

Another con who wants to waste taxpayer money.

Matthews is 100% correct.

seek said:
Don’t care about the rest because the democrats are showboating and it’s sickening.

You said it all, @seek. Republicans DON’T care. They especially DON’T care about the rest–OF US, the 98% of the U.S. population who *aren’t* filthy rich. Who do not have the money to buy and peddle power. You right-wingers… It’s all about the money. It’s all about the power. The rest? You don’t care about.

Republicans want to bring this country to its knees. They really can careless about ordinary people. Luckily Wall Street won’t let that happen, because bond holders get screwed in the process. Republicans had no problem raising the debt ceiling 7 times when Bush was in office.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and that says it all folks

and your point is?

and don’t you just love how criticism of republicans means de facto support for…..obama? in
the conserva-mindset?

mtjade4 said:
CEO’s pay went up 23% more than last year. Where are the jobs? Guess the big boys decided to keep the money for themselves. Isn’t that great?

The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer.

**cough** GE **cough**

**cough** Jefferey Immelt **cough**

**cough** Biggest Libs around **cough**

**cough** No taxes paid; kept money to themselves **cough**

namseer said:
You said it all, @seek. Republicans DON’T care. They especially DON’T care about the rest–OF US, the 98% of the U.S. population who *aren’t* filthy rich. Who do not have the money to buy and peddle power. You right-wingers… It’s all about the money. It’s all about the power. The rest? You don’t care about.

don’t you get it, man? it’s all about liberty & freedom!

those are *the* hallmarks of modern conservatives.

regulating the health insurance industry, and making sure that the most vulnerable
people in society have some sort of safety net is an OBSTRUCTION of those
deeply treasured hallmarks (and what that means is: less money for them)

ChrisNH said:
**cough** GE **cough**

**cough** Jefferey Immelt **cough**

**cough** Biggest Libs around **cough**

**cough** No taxes paid; kept money to themselves **cough**

memo: democrats aren’t necessarily liberals

let that sink in for a minute.

namseer said:
You make a fantastic point. The Republicans have been rooting for President Obama to fail since day one. The sad part is that *America* itself has to fail in order for President Obama to fail. Since the Republicans have taken back the U.S. House, they have done everything in their power to stop or damage the President’s efforts to improve the economy. The economy has improved some, but whatever progress we’ve made will be wiped away if the Republicans are successful in their attempt at economic terrorism and cause the nation to default. THEY DON’T CARE! The worse the economy gets, the better it is for them because they can blame President Obama for the bad economy in ‘12, when it was *their* stubbornness, *their* ineptitude, and *their* crass politics that have kept the economy from flourishing.

You have a serious drama queen problem. Whenever I try to read your posts I keep hearing Charlie Brown’s teacher in my head; just a series of uncomprehendible blather.

szore,

as if we need yet another reminder of how “awesome” reagan was….(yawn)

if reagan were around today, he’d be a democrat

namseer said:
You right-wingers… It’s all about the money. It’s all about the power. The rest? You don’t care about.

Actually it is all about letting people keep the money THEY EARNED. You left- wingers want to take what isn’t yours because you feel you deserve it. The “rich” are paying the majority of the taxes. The lower 47% of the population don’t pay federal income taxes. Let’s get everyone’s skin in the game and then come back and talk to me about raising taxes MORE on people who already pay in.

Government spending accounts for of 25% of our GDP and Matthews see’s that as evidence our taxes aren’t high enough, and that that’s where we need to adjust things? Well, I have said he’s an anti-intellectual. Government produces no product the public wants. It provides subsidies to failed business models and favored friends. Government generates no incentive to grow the economy. It only issues regulation after regulation that stifles jobs growth.

Our high unemployment rates and our ballooning debt crisis are tied together. Entrepreneurship along with serious reductions in government spending are the only ways in which we’re going to get out from under Obama’s malaise. This would raise the needed revenue and put the engine back in the realm where prosperity properly resides – in the hands of the American people. Central planning economic maneuvering is rife with corruption and only ruins countries. Tax money to those in Washington has but one purpose – increased spending and failed government stimulus. America spoke in a loud voice this last November. We understand politicians don’t have it in the DNA to pay down the debt when there’s the possibility of using those tax revenues to reward their supporters. We also see they can no longer be trusted with a blank slate lifting of the debt ceiling for they’ll never see a limit to their spendthrift ways.

This is, of course, a political position, as were the statements of the two in this clip. But at least it’s a position that isn’t peppered with untruths and asinine statements. As for Joan Walsh, those who are philosophically opposed to the raising of the debt ceiling without restrictions? “We’re” not a tiny minority. We’re a plurality of the American people. And as for Chris Matthews who compares those who offers solutions to this country’s problem’s to terrorists? Well, I have said he’s an anti-intellectual.

Paleoconservatarian said:
Government spending accounts for of 25% of our GDP and Matthews see’s that as evidence our taxes aren’t high enough, and that that’s where we need to adjust things? Well, I have said he’s an anti-intellectual. Government produces no product the public wants. It provides subsidies to failed business models and favored friends. Government generates no incentive to grow the economy. It only issues regulation after regulation that stifles jobs growth.

Our high unemployment rates and our ballooning debt crisis are tied together. Entrepreneurship along with serious reductions in government spending are the only ways in which we’re going to get out from under Obama’s malaise. This would raise the needed revenue and put the engine back in the realm where prosperity properly resides – in the hands of the American people. Central planning economic maneuvering is rife with corruption and only ruins countries. Tax money to those in Washington has but one purpose – increased spending and failed government stimulus. America spoke in a loud voice this last November. We understand politicians don’t have it in the DNA to pay down the debt when there’s the possibility of using those tax revenues to reward their supporters. We also see they can no longer be trusted with a blank slate lifting of the debt ceiling for they’ll never see a limit to their spendthrift ways.

This is, of course, a political position, as were the statements of the two in this clip. But at least it’s a position that isn’t peppered with untruths and asinine statements. As for Joan Walsh, those who are philosophically opposed to the raising of the debt ceiling without restrictions? “We’re” not a tiny minority. We’re a plurality of the American people. And as for Chris Matthews who compares those who offers solutions to this country’s problem’s to terrorists? Well, I have said he’s an anti-intellectual.

but on the issue of tax increases on those making more than 400,000/annual to help balance
the budget. are you, or aren’t you, in favor of that?

darladoon said:

darladoon said:
and your point is? and don’t you just love how criticism of republicans means de facto support for…..obama? inthe conserva-mindset?

. people need healthcare to survive, not “freedom” (whatever that means)

my point, you will trade security for freedom

2012freedom said:
Actually it is all about letting people keep the money THEY EARNED. You left- wingers want to take what isn’t yours because you feel you deserve it. The “rich” are paying the majority of the taxes. The lower 47% of the population don’t pay federal income taxes. Let’s get everyone’s skin in the game and then come back and talk to me about raising taxes MORE on people who already pay in.

we’ve heard all of this before, and many times over.

a janitor working 70 hours/week pays the same effective tax rate as warren buffet.

are you, or aren’t you, in favor of that?

obviously the rich are paying the bulk of taxes, why shouldn’t they?

the question is the RATE!!! they are paying a lower effective tax rate than a janitor
in scranton.

darladoon said:
we’ve heard all of this before, and many times over. a janitor working 70 hours/week pays the same effective tax rate as warren buffet. are you, or aren’t you, in favor of that?

and why is that?

cjd ohio 1 said:
. people need healthcare to survive, not “freedom” (whatever that means)

my point, you will trade security for freedom

this has *nothing* to do with a loss of freedom!

you want to allow insurance companies to provide health insurance to individuals.

how is that any different (in lieu of your pathetic “freedom” argument)?

darladoon said:
obviously the rich are paying the bulk of taxes, why shouldn’t they? the question is the RATE!!! they are paying a lower effective tax rate than a janitorin scranton.

why should they?

cjd ohio 1 said:
and why is that?

because warren buffet’s investments (capital gains, etc) are taxes at only 15%.

that’s RIDICULOUS.

and his income is taxed around 35%, the same as myself for instance.

are you in favor of that?

darladoon said:
my point, you will trade security for freedom this has *nothing* to do with a loss of freedom! you want to allow insurance companies to provide health insurance to individuals. how is that any different (in lieu of your pathetic “freedom” argument)?

it was your statement not mine

cjd ohio,

can you define freedom for us?

in lieu of a robust social safety net…….for example

darladoon said:
because warren buffet’s investments (capital gains, etc) are taxes at only 15%. that’s RIDICULOUS. and his income is taxed around 35%, the same as myself for instance. are you in favor of that?

and the reason is loopholes, and you know who wrote all those tax laws

cjd ohio 1 said:
it was your statement not mine

no, explain to me how a single payer system impinges on your freedom?

i assume you would rather the uninsured use emergency rooms and pass the costs
on to you in some other fashion?

cjd ohio 1 said:
and the reason is loopholes, and you know who wrote all those tax laws

no, you’re wrong. it’s not all about loopholes. it’s partially about loopholes, but the tax rates
are the primary issue here. warren buffet pays the SAME tax rate as myself.

and btw, most conservatives are *opposed* to repealing those loopholes

btw, you’re not answering any of the pertinent questions here.

darladoon said:
cjd ohio, can you define freedom for us? in lieu of a robust social safety net…….for example

freedom for me is the chance to succeed or fail, how about how you define it

darladoon said:
we’ve heard all of this before, and many times over.

a janitor working 70 hours/week pays the same effective tax rate as warren buffet.

are you, or aren’t you, in favor of that?

If you want to change that, then work for the Fair Tax, and reform the Tax Code. Stop the over 60,000 deductions in current tax law that distort our economic system, and work to return economic freedom to our nation.

You do realize that increasing Corporate Taxes hurts your Janitor and not Mr Buffet dont you?

cjd ohio 1 said:
freedom for me is the chance to succeed or fail, how about how you define it

so if the government comes up with a cost-effective way to distribute health insurance,
you would be opposed to that on the grounds that it would diminish your chances of
succeeding?

so we can only conclude that success, for you, is all about making slightly more money.

darladoon said:
we’ve heard all of this before, and many times over.
a janitor working 70 hours/week pays the same effective tax rate as warren buffet.
are you, or aren’t you, in favor of that?

There is no way to level it out based on our current tax code unless you implement a flat tax. I don’t have to like it, it is just the way it is. Just like large companies (GE) can pay $0 in taxes based on the same tax codes. Is that fair? Warren Buffet pays a small amount because he legally can.

darladoon said:
no, you’re wrong. it’s not all about loopholes. it’s partially about loopholes, but the tax ratesare the primary issue here. warren buffet pays the SAME tax rate as myself. and btw, most conservatives are *opposed* to repealing those loopholes

as are democrats flat tax 5% for 40000 below 10 percent for 75000 20percent for 125000, 25% for 200000 no deductions no loopholes

cjd ohio 1 said:
as are democrats flat tax 5% for 40000 below 10 percent for 75000 20percent for 125000, 25% for 200000 no deductions no loopholes

all income taxed at same rate

GoneFishing said:
If you want to change that, then work for the Fair Tax, and reform the Tax Code. Stop the over 60,000 deductions in current tax law that distort our economic system, and work to return economic freedom to our nation.

you must work for the cato institute or the heritage foundation, or be an apprentice to
grover norquist. the so-called fair tax is anything but fair.

the deductions concept, however, is a good one

i assume you don’t favor tax increases on those making more than 400,000?

darladoon said:
no, explain to me how a single payer system impinges on your freedom?

Because everyone is FORCED to pay in to it.

cjd ohio 1 said:
all income taxed at same rate

no, i’m not in favor of that.

the rates should go up as income goes up.

darladoon said:
so if the government comes up with a cost-effective way to distribute health insurance,you would be opposed to that on the grounds that it would diminish your chances ofsucceeding? so we can only conclude that success, for you, is all about making slightly more money.

the government distribute health insurance…………anything else you want the government to distribute?

2012freedom said:
Because everyone is FORCED to pay in to it.

everyone is FORCED to pay into it REGARDLESS of what system we have

under our current system, a mostly private one, we spend more than anyone else
in the world

people use emergency rooms w/out insurance, and guess who pays?

so your argument is BUNK

cjd ohio 1 said:
the government distribute health insurance…………anything else you want the government to distribute?

let’s just stick to health insurance, because that way you won’t prance around making
ridiculous non-sequiturs

You know, we keep hearing from you Democrats about how it is all the other sides fault and that they don’t want to raise taxes on the rich. Well..news flash…Democrats could have done that at any time when they controlled everything. The couldn’t because they didn’t have the votes. They didn’t have the votes then, and they don’t have the votes now. The Democrats put on a pretty show but they are just as much against raising taxes right now.

darladoon said:
no, i’m not in favor of that. the rates should go up as income goes up.

which it is if you look in the block quote

Two of the most extreme, far left, whacked out, liberal Dems on the planet, Chrissy ‘Tingles & Thrills’ Matthews and Joan ‘Full of Hatred’ Walsh, had absolutely, positively, NO clue as to what they were blabbering about. I always get a kick out of Chrissy as to just how little he does towards his homework before he goes on the air. He is so low in the IQ department and he definitely has zero common sense. All we ever get from msnbc anymore are half-truths and out right lies. It is shameful the way they operate and it really shows in the ratings or lack of ratings in the case of msnbc.

And to top it off, the sissified girlie boy Chrissy is back to bashing Michele Bachmann again. Chrissy has become TV slime.

2012freedom said:
There is no way to level it out based on our current tax code unless you implement a flat tax. I don’t have to like it, it is just the way it is. Just like large companies (GE) can pay $0 in taxes based on the same tax codes. Is that fair? Warren Buffet pays a small amount because he legally can.

do you, or do you not, want to raise taxes NOW, to balance the budget?

darladoon said:
let’s just stick to health insurance, because that way you won’t prance around makingridiculous non-sequiturs

no, i dont believe health insurance is a right

cjd ohio 1 said:
which it is if you look in the block quote

not enough, though (obviously)

capital gains are the primary issue with the wealthy

which they only pay 15% on…

darladoon said:
do you, or do you not, want to raise taxes NOW, to balance the budget?

thats not possible, unless you raise taxes on everyone

cjd ohio 1 said:
no, i dont believe health insurance is a right

ok, so you would rather we get rid of all government insurance?

in which case, you’d rather pay even more than you’re already paying?

i just want you to give a straight answer here.

let this be on the record RIGHT NOW:

cjd ohio would rather he pay MORE than he already pays

darladoon said:
not enough, though (obviously) capital gains are the primary issue with the wealthy which they only pay 15% on…

what part of no deductions, no loopholes and all income taxed at the same rate do you not understand

darladoon said:
obviously the rich are paying the bulk of taxes, why shouldn’t they?

the question is the RATE!!! they are paying a lower effective tax rate than a janitor
in scranton.

Do you just make this stuff up? Seriously…do you really not understand who pays for what in this country?

The Top 5% of income earners pay almost 60% of All taxes, and the top 50% pay over 97% of all taxes. Those are the facts.

I am all for reforming the Tax Code…but to infer the poor are paying the most is just fantasy.

darladoon said:
ok, so you would rather we get rid of all government insurance? in which case, you’d rather pay even more than you’re already paying? i just want you to give a straight answer here. let this be on the record RIGHT NOW: cjd ohio would rather he pay MORE than he already pays

i said health insurance is not a right, the rest is in your mind

cjd ohio 1 said:
thats not possible, unless you raise taxes on everyone

sorry, “help balance the budget”

we’re never going to balance the budget with tax increases alone.

nobody believes that.

but raising taxes is def going to help. that’s a fact.

raising taxes on people making less than 50,000/year is not going to help.

those people need money to spend money.

and spending money is important.

darladoon said:
everyone is FORCED to pay into it REGARDLESS of what system we have
under our current system, a mostly private one, we spend more than anyone else
in the world
people use emergency rooms w/out insurance, and guess who pays?
so your argument is BUNK

I’m not FORCED into anything. I don’t have to pay for health insurance if I don’t want to (at least for now). Yes, people to use emergency rooms w/out insurance and in turn it causes higher rates for everyone else. First step is, stop paying for illegals to use our healthcare facilities. Pools can be set up for lower income and/or higher risk individuals to lower the cost for them. Allow healthcare to be sold across state lines. More competition means lower prices. We don’t have to destroy the world’s best healthcare to cover a small amount of uninsured people.

cjd ohio 1 said:
i said health insurance is not a right, the rest is in your mind

no, it’s a logical extension of your twisted belief (which you refuse to acknowledge
because you’re crazy)

if we adopted your vision of healthcare, costs would rise, and the uninsured would
rise, and the overall costs to society would rise.

regulation and control is the only way to keep costs down.

2012freedom said:
I’m not FORCED into anything. I don’t have to pay for health insurance if I don’t want to (at least for now). Yes, people to use emergency rooms w/out insurance and in turn it causes higher rates for everyone else. First step is, stop paying for illegals to use our healthcare facilities. Pools can be set up for lower income and/or higher risk individuals to lower the cost for them. Allow healthcare to be sold across state lines. More competition means lower prices. We don’t have to destroy the world’s best healthcare to cover a small amount of uninsured people.

you pay the costs of the uninsured going into emergency rooms to get healthcare.

and your argument about “illegals” is nonsense.

healthcare IS sold across state lines (in states where it is possible, and in those
where it is possible, it didn’t lower costs).

more competition? yeah, good luck with that! states have these things called ‘rules’
barring competition in many cases…

“world’s best healthcare”?

yeah, if you can afford it.

the WHO concluded that we are 38th in the world, just behind CUBA

HERE is a fix for Republican economic terrorism. It’s called the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Read all about it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/invoke-the-14th–and-end-the-debt-standoff/2011/07/01/gHQAUif8yH_story.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008

45,000 die every year because they lack health insurance

and tens of millions lack any health insurance right now

and guess what?

that costs MONEY.

i thought conservatives were soooooooooo concerned about the debt

but they stubbornly cling to these antiquated beliefs about ‘freedom’ and ‘liberty’
to the detriment of their evolution (and many of them don’t even believe in evolution)

darladoon said:
sorry, “help balance the budget”

we’re never going to balance the budget with tax increases alone.

nobody believes that.

but raising taxes is def going to help. that’s a fact.

raising taxes on people making less than 50,000/year is not going to help.

those people need money to spend money.

and spending money is important.

Producers must be punished and they must be made to realize that their success is due to the state and not their own labor and risks. Once they come to realize this, they still must be marginalized for the sake of fairness. That is true patriotism, give up your selfish ideas and realize production is really parasitism.

Austerity is a code word for racism, ageism, sexism, homophobia. If you practice or preach austerity you is the devil.

darladoon said:
and your argument about “illegals” is nonsense.

Oh okay, as long as you say so. You can think it is “nonsense” because I guess you like to keep your head in the sand. There is no reason at all that we should be providing healthcare to people who are in our country illegally.

Danneskjold_Ragnar said:
Producers must be punished and they must be made to realize that their success is due to the state and not their own labor and risks. Once they come to realize this, they still must be marginalized for the sake of fairness. That is true patriotism, give up your selfish ideas and realize production is really parasitism.

Austerity is a code word for racism, ageism, sexism, homophobia. If you practice or preach austerity you is the devil.

the so-called ‘producers’ (as if janitors don’t produce) exist thanks to…….labor, and not their own.

only labor creates wealth.

2012freedom said:
Oh okay, as long as you say so. You can think it is “nonsense” because I guess you like to keep your head in the sand. There is no reason at all that we should be providing healthcare to people who are in our country illegally.

can you show me figures on how many “illegals” we treat in emergency rooms every year?

and let me ask you something, you selfish piece of crap, have you ever EVER received healthcare
in another country? EVER?

what, do you think doctors don’t treat someone who is sick?

what sort of sick f*cking doctor doesn’t treat someone because he’s not a citizen?
that’s insane!

and, btw, you conveniently bypassed the rest of my argument…..

2012freedom said:
I’m not FORCED into anything. I don’t have to pay for health insurance if I don’t want to (at least for now). Yes, people to use emergency rooms w/out insurance and in turn it causes higher rates for everyone else. First step is, stop paying for illegals to use our healthcare facilities. Pools can be set up for lower income and/or higher risk individuals to lower the cost for them. Allow healthcare to be sold across state lines. More competition means lower prices. We don’t have to destroy the world’s best healthcare to cover a small amount of uninsured people.

Banks operate across state line doesn’t help because they all go to states like Delaware where the laws are in their favor and consumer protection is very watered down. Insurance companies aren’t going to have a high risk pool because it a losing money operation. We are not the world’s best healthcare. We are rated at #37.

darladoon said:
. only labor creates wealth.

wrong

only in the tea party lexicon do we have discrepancies between

“producers” and everyone else

as if janitors, teachers, firemen, nurses, waitresses, etc……don’t produce.

it’s sickening, this trend in language to beat workers down.

cjd ohio 1 said:
wrong

so, tell us, how do you extract resources from material reality, and transform
them into something you can sell or trade?

do you have some sort of magic wand or potion?

Yoda002 said:
Banks operate across state line doesn’t help because they all go to states like Delaware where the laws are in their favor and consumer protection is very watered down. Insurance companies aren’t going to have a high risk pool because it a losing money operation. We are not the world’s best healthcare. We are rated at #37.

they don’t want to hear facts, my friend

cjd ohio 1 said:
wrong

right!

darladoon said:
so, tell us, how do you extract resources from material reality, and transformthem into something you can sell or trade? do you have some sort of magic wand or potion?

your mind and ideas create wealth, how you use you labor creates wealth, labor by itself does nothing if you dont know how to use it

Yoda002 said:
Banks operate across state line doesn’t help because they all go to states like Delaware where the laws are in their favor and consumer protection is very watered down. Insurance companies aren’t going to have a high risk pool because it a losing money operation. We are not the world’s best healthcare. We are rated at #37.

#37 by objective measures, or a UN Council style consortium? #37 in a Fox New or #37 in a CNN poll?
I suspect the data and measures are skewed to produce the #37 result.

cjd ohio 1 said:
your mind and ideas create wealth, how you use you labor creates wealth, labor by itself does nothing if you dont know how to use it

how does a brain create wealth?! that’s RIDICULOUS!

your brain doesn’t dig minerals from the soil! your hands and legs do!

labor is the ONLY human action which creates wealth.

rich guys who own giant companies RELY on labor to create their wealth.

PERIOD.

Danneskjold_Ragnar said:
#37 by objective measures, or a UN Council style consortium? #37 in a Fox New or #37 in a CNN poll?
I suspect the data and measures are skewed to produce the #37 result.

yeah, the world health organization is conspiring to destroy the USA. lol…..

sheesh, are your feelings hurt or something?

darladoon said:
how does a brain create wealth?! that’s RIDICULOUS! your brain doesn’t dig minerals from the soil! your hands and legs do! labor is the ONLY human action which creates wealth. rich guys who own giant companies RELY on labor to create their wealth. PERIOD.

and what do you do with the minerals from the soil? think now

darladoon said:
but on the issue of tax increases on those making more than 400,000/annual to help balance
the budget. are you, or aren’t you, in favor of that?

A absolutely reject class warfare in all it’s forms as a substitute for sound economic policy. Those interested in specifically targeting a segment of an already heavily burdened tax base aren’t interested in balancing the budget – they’re interested in punitive, redistributive demagoguery against rich people for political purposes. That doesn’t solve economic crises – that gins up wealth jealousies and class envy.

We ought not raise taxes in the sputtering economy. We ought enable job growth. Job growth raises tax revenues far more effectively than tax hikes.

Danneskjold_Ragnar said:
#37 by objective measures, or a UN Council style consortium? #37 in a Fox New or #37 in a CNN poll?
I suspect the data and measures are skewed to produce the #37 result.

UN numbers based on a lot of factors including cost, results, infant mortality rate, accessibility..etc.

Joan needs to find herself a man. Damn, she is always so angry and full of hate. Maybe Anthony Weiner would be a guy she could appreciate if his wife gives his sorry rear the boot….lolololololol. And Chrissy Tingles is looking so old…like mid to late 70′s. He should have retired 15 years ago.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and what do you do with the minerals from the soil? think now

no. there’s this thing called…….LINEARITY

something comes FIRST, which paves the way for everything else.

LABOR creates the conditions for wealth to even exist.

PERIOD.

get an education, dude.

you’re arguing with the wrong person on this issue.

but let’s take your question, anyhow.

yes, minerals need to be transported with TRUCKS, which require
someone to BUILD and DRIVE the trucks (both LABOR)

on roads BUILT by labor, with gasoline extracted by LABOR

money doesn’t feed people, dude.

food feeds people

and food requires FARMING

precious, precious “workers”….. sickle and hammer and fist and kneecap “workers”. No thanks, I’ll go to the gulag with the Tea Party when it comes to that in BHO’s 4th term

Paleoconservatarian said:
A absolutely reject class warfare in all it’s forms as a substitute for sound economic policy. Those interested in specifically targeting a segment of an already heavily burdened tax base aren’t interested in balancing the budget – they’re interested in punitive, redistributive demagoguery against rich people for political purposes. That doesn’t solve economic crises – that gins up wealth jealousies and class envy.

We ought not raise taxes in the sputtering economy. We ought enable job growth. Job growth raises tax revenues far more effectively than tax hikes.

only in america does a certain % of the population DEFEND the super wealthy on the grounds
that these people have an “already heavily burdened tax base”

heavily burdened?

to give one rebuttal: reagan’s tax rates were HIGHER than obama’s.

reagan’s estate tax % was 60!!!!!!

under obama, what it’s like, what, 25%?

if the burden is soooooooo heavy for rich people, then why do they have so much
money, while the working class’ wages are stagnant for 30 years?

This discussion needs a few Facts.

The Top 5% of income earners pay almost 60% of All taxes.

The Top 50% pay over 97% of all taxes.

Increasing Corporate Taxes is a Regressive Tax on all Americans, and they effect the poorest Americans the most; Corporations do not pay taxes.

That the left rejects reality and refuse to deal with our nations problems in a rational manner is known.
The facts however stand…regardless of ‘Belief’, they are still true.

Danneskjold_Ragnar said:
precious, precious “workers”….. sickle and hammer and fist and kneecap “workers”. No thanks, I’ll go to the gulag with the Tea Party when it comes to that in BHO’s 4th term

workers create wealth for your BFF’s the billionaires

darladoon said:
obviously the rich are paying the bulk of taxes, why shouldn’t they?

the question is the RATE!!! they are paying a lower effective tax rate than a janitor
in scranton.

about as much sense as a slinky. Slithering down the stairs.

first she admits that yes the rich pay the bulk – but that’s not enough.
Warren Buffet – has his money tied up tighter than Houdini and they keep peddling him out as a shining example.
Does it stop Buffet from tying up his money? Not a chance.

GoneFishing said:
This discussion needs a few Facts.

The Top 5% of income earners pay almost 60% of All taxes.

The Top 50% pay over 97% of all taxes.

Increasing Corporate Taxes is a Regressive Tax on all Americans, and they effect the poorest Americans the most; Corporations do not pay taxes.

That the left rejects reality and refuse to deal with our nations problems in a rational manner is known.
The facts however stand…regardless of ‘Belief’, they are still true.

so you obviously have no interest in balancing the budget or in improving the lives
or workers

you’d make a great politician
in today’s nutcase world

darladoon said:
“world’s best healthcare”?
yeah, if you can afford it.
the WHO concluded that we are 38th in the world, just behind CUBA

Yes they did, but did you look into WHY? The WHO gives a huge advantage in scoring to countries with government run health plans because they want ALL countries to have government healthcare. It is a skewed ranking on numerous fronts. First and most important is there are 2 scoring measurements. One is “overall attainment” and the other is “overall performance.” On one of them the US is #37 and on the other it is #15.

I really advise you to do research before you start tossing out the WHO report findings.

This is how they break it down.

1. Health Level: 25 percent
2. Health Distribution: 25 percent
3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent
4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent
5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent

http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

darladoon said:
no. there’s this thing called…….LINEARITY something comes FIRST, which paves the way for everything else. LABOR creates the conditions for wealth to even exist. PERIOD. get an education, dude. you’re arguing with the wrong person on this issue. but let’s take your question, anyhow. yes, minerals need to be transported with TRUCKS, which requiresomeone to BUILD and DRIVE the trucks (both LABOR) on roads BUILT by labor, with gasoline extracted by LABOR money doesn’t feed people, dude. food feeds people and food requires FARMING

which someone had a idea and invented the truck, and gasoline, roads, and farming all ideas, someone thought up, you just dont get it, you can dig iron ore out of the ground all you want but someone had the idea and thought process to turn into iron

seek said:
about as much sense as a slinky. Slithering down the stairs.

first she admits that yes the rich pay the bulk – but that’s not enough.
Warren Buffet – has his money tied up tighter than Houdini and they keep peddling him out as a shining example.
Does it stop Buffet from tying up his money? Not a chance.

buffet himself has argued that he should be paying A LOT more in taxes

do you agree?

darladoon:

The only lexicon I see is being used is the Lefts standard of fear mongering when the Liberals feel their not getting their way. I have never heard any Tea-Party member suggest that labor, on any level that is not directly producing some item is not beneficial, needed labor. This tired argument holds no water. What is does tell us is that the Left is seriously scared, and will resort to any form of fear mongering to support their baseless argument.

darladoon said:
to give one rebuttal: reagan’s tax rates were HIGHER than obama’s.

Yes and his spending was probably 1/8 of Obama’s. Bring down spending to Regan levels and we can take the rates back up to Regan levels. You can’t continue to spend more and more and think you can keep raising taxes more and more. Eventually you can’t raise taxes anymore but you can keep spending. Eventually the game ends…poorly.

cjd ohio 1 said:
which someone had a idea and invented the truck, and gasoline, roads, and farming all ideas, someone thought up, you just dont get it, you can dig iron ore out of the ground all you want but someone had the idea and thought process to turn into iron

ideas do not create wealth

only work does. work is SWEATING and MOVING and BUILDING.

darladoon said:
buffet himself has argued that he should be paying A LOT more in taxes do you agree?

and he can, he can just send more to the government

BFD said:
Sometimes you’re a real idiot, Mathews.

Every weekday at 5:00 & 7:00 PM Eastern time. The guy is a huge embarrassing.

2012freedom said:
Yes and his spending was probably 1/8 of Obama’s. Bring down spending to Regan levels and we can take the rates back up to Regan levels. You can’t continue to spend more and more and think you can keep raising taxes more and more. Eventually you can’t raise taxes anymore but you can keep spending. Eventually the game ends…poorly.

nobody has raised any taxes at all

CAconservative said:
darladoon:

The only lexicon I see is being used is the Lefts standard of fear mongering when the Liberals feel their not getting their way. I have never heard any Tea-Party member suggest that labor, on any level that is not directly producing some item is not beneficial, needed labor

your colleague, cdj ohio, has been arguing that all night

GoneFishing said:
This discussion needs a few Facts.

The Top 5% of income earners pay almost 60% of All taxes.

The Top 50% pay over 97% of all taxes.

Increasing Corporate Taxes is a Regressive Tax on all Americans, and they effect the poorest Americans the most; Corporations do not pay taxes.

That the left rejects reality and refuse to deal with our nations problems in a rational manner is known.
The facts however stand…regardless of ‘Belief’, they are still true.

The top 400 richest people have as much wealth as the bottom 155 million people and they pay an average of 16% of their overall wealth. The lowest effective rate since the early 50′s

Where are the jobs? They are hoarding cash

cjd ohio 1 said:
and he can, he can just send more to the government

you’re an idiot, dude

you can’t even admit that you’re digging a deeper and deeper hole.

darladoon said:
ideas do not create wealth only work does. work is SWEATING and MOVING and BUILDING.

lol, never mind, you dont understand

Yoda002 said:
The top 400 richest people have as much wealth as the bottom 155 million people and they pay an average of 16% of their overall wealth. The lowest effective rate since the early 50’s

Where are the jobs? They are hoarding cash

thank you!!!!!!!!

darladoon said:
buffet himself has argued that he should be paying A LOT more in taxes

He can pay more . Why does he choose not to ?

There’s even a website, Pay.gov, where you can donate to pay down the debt.

here’s today’s modern conservative movement:

brainwash a bunch of people into thinking that:

a) the wealthy are the real victims

b) the workers are lazy and unproductive

darladoon said:
you’re an idiot, dude you can’t even admit that you’re digging a deeper and deeper hole.

labor, i am creating wealth lol

darladoon said:
you’re an idiot, dude you can’t even admit that you’re digging a deeper and deeper hole.

why cant he?

Anne 1 said:
He can pay more . Why does he choose not to ?

There’s even a website, Pay.gov, where you can donate to pay down the debt.

(misses point)

it’s like charity to all you conserva-morons, isn’t it?

gee, i wonder how many billionaires are going to voluntarily pay more?

cjd ohio 1 said:
lol, never mind, you dont understand

sorry, bro. you don’t understand.

i’ll ask you one more time:

how does one create wealth without labor?

darladoon said:
buffet himself has argued that he should be paying A LOT more in taxes

darladoon said:
gee, i wonder how many billionaires are going to voluntarily pay more?

Nice chatting with . You’re an idiot .

^^^you^^^

darladoon said:
sorry, bro. you don’t understand. i’ll ask you one more time: how does one create wealth without labor?

you said only labor creates wealth, which is wrong, you need ideas first then you apply your labor

Anne 1 said:
Nice chatting with . You’re an idiot .

yeah, i’m sure there’s lots and lots of billionaires who are like:

“oh yeah, i would just LOVE to DONATE my money to the government!”

i’m sure the koch brothers have given most of their money to that wonderful cause, lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
you said only labor creates wealth, which is wrong, you need ideas first then you apply your labor

Without labor your ideas go nowhere.

cjd ohio 1 said:
you said only labor creates wealth, which is wrong, you need ideas first then you apply your labor

an idea, in and of itself, does not create wealth

it creates absolutely NOTHING, in fact

Yoda002 said:
Without labor your ideas go nowhere.

thanks, again

Yoda002 said:
Without labor your ideas go nowhere.

and without ideas you are just doing labor without purpose

darladoon said:
buffet himself has argued that he should be paying A LOT more in taxes

darladoon said:
gee, i wonder how many billionaires are going to voluntarily pay more?

darladoon said:
yeah, i’m sure there’s lots and lots of billionaires who are like:
“oh yeah, i would just LOVE to DONATE my money to the government!”

Correction , simple minded idiot .

darladoon said:
here’s today’s modern conservative movement:
brainwash a bunch of people into thinking that:
a) the wealthy are the real victims
b) the workers are lazy and unproductive

a) The wealthy aren’t victims they are just wealthy. Why do you feel you deserve their money? You know what they say; When you rob from Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul.
b) Some workers are. What’s your point?

darladoon:

Wealth is not created in the brain? Where the hell do you think any idea that creates wealth starts! Those that have gotten wealthy have done so by first creating an idea (in the brain) and then implementing that idea. Did you think it started with a ditch digger and then moves up?!
Ya, the rich could pay more but should they when we have nearly half of the workers in this country not paying any taxes? Your idea of fair sounds like a lexicon of socialist crap!

Yoda002 said:
Without labor your ideas go nowhere.

darladoon said:
an idea, in and of itself, does not create wealth it creates absolutely NOTHING, in fact

wow , yeah the telephone was just labor, never a idea or invented by someone lol

darladoon said:
i’m sure the koch brothers have given most of their money to that wonderful cause, lol

What is the obsession with the Koch brothers? I don’t see the Liberal icon Soros giving billions to help pay off the debt. Why aren’t you harping on him? How many thousands of pounds of gold does he have? Why not spread that wealth around?

cjd ohio 1 said:
and without ideas you are just doing labor without purpose

so, if someone needs to eat, they should just imagine an apple, rather than
actually PICK the apple from a tree?

cjd ohio, take some advice from those who know better.

only labor creates wealth.

wealth, as a concept to begin with, did not exist until there was a surplus
of labor (in the form of, say, too much food), in which case that food
would be traded or sold, in order to afford LEISURE, aka time to relax
and not labor.

Another fake issue they came up with to put on top of the real issues facing the country. When this is settled they all will still be there. Washington is a joke and so is the media that keeps trying to divide the people on remedial nonsense. Can’t wait until they save the day last minute and still accomplish nothing like they did last time. Wonder what new thing they will conjure up next and pretend it’s the greatest issue ever,

darladoon said:
your colleague, cdj ohio, has been arguing that all night

no i havent, you just cant read

2012freedom said:
What is the obsession with the Koch brothers? I don’t see the Liberal icon Soros giving billions to help pay off the debt. Why aren’t you harping on him? How many thousands of pounds of gold does he have? Why not spread that wealth around?

ok, so soros hasn’t helped to pay down the debt, and therefore……..what?

you have no argument whatsoever.

cjd ohio 1 said:
no i havent, you just cant read

yeah, i can’t read. good one.

darladoon said:
ok, so soros hasn’t helped to pay down the debt, and therefore……..what?
you have no argument whatsoever.

Neither did you about the Koch brothers but it didn’t stop you from tossing it in so I thought I would just follow suit.

CAconservative said:
Your idea of fair sounds like a lexicon of socialist crap!

Daily Worker , more like .

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAworkerD.htm

dardaloon said:
here’s today’s modern conservative movement:

brainwash a bunch of people into thinking that:

a) the wealthy are the real victims

b) the workers are lazy and unproductive

Such deep, deep introspective thought.

Don’t forget…those evil Conservatives also see everything in Black & White because of their lizard brains! But you don’t…of course…

The Koch Bros do sponsor Nova on PBS, it’s a very interesting and informational show.

I trust the Koch Bros more than I trust anyone in the Beltway. From footage I’ve seen they both are bi-pedal and don’t leave a slime trail like 99% of the governing class does.

Oh if only we could sprinkle salt and put up copper barrier’s to mitigate the governing class, and the “well meaning” tax tyrants.

Heck the Maloof Brother’s (who are the bizzaro Koch Brothers) are preferable to a “peoples” person

cjd ohio 1 said:
wow , yeah the telephone was just labor, never a idea or invented by someone lol

just came out of thin air

cjd ohio 1 said:
wow , yeah the telephone was just labor, never a idea or invented by someone lol

Micorsoft and Apple are the modern plantations . Didn’t you hear ?

cjd ohio 1 said:
wow , yeah the telephone was just labor, never a idea or invented by someone lol

this is the problem with the so-called ‘great man’ theory….

the telephone, and all the telephone lines, and operators……???

LABOR

and graham bell had……you guessed it……..laborers.

how do you think AT&T became so big? ideas? LOL>

darladoon said:
so you obviously have no interest in balancing the budget or in improving the lives
or workers

you’d make a great politician
in today’s nutcase world

I most certainly am interested in bettering the lives ov Americans and strengthening our nation. But the reality is increasing Corporate Taxes will not fix the problem, it will make it worse. The solution to our problem is to Increase Economic Freedom. Your with is to reduce economic freedom, and direct economic activity by government action and penalty.

The relationship between economic freedom and prosperity is well known, and beyond question. It is simply a Fact that If you increase the freedom of choice for labor, capitol and investment, you increase the level of wealth and prosperity FOR ALL.

It is also true that if Government limits economic Freedom, picking winners and loser’s then the economy will stagnate and become inefficient. Reducing wealth and prosperity and Concentrating that remaining wealth in the hands of the those chosen by Government…and so the Majority lose wealth and there is Less Prosperity for all.

The Choice is simple: Freedom and Prosperity or Economic Control & Stagnation.

A Nations wealth is not constant, and will rise or fall in direct relation to Individual Freedom.

The more able the individual is to act in their best interest, the better off we All are. Prosperity is not a Zero-Sum game.

just started building and using labor and wow a telephone

Anne 1 said:
Micorsoft and Apple are the modern plantations . Didn’t you hear ?

yeah, their plantations are in china, where laborers are depressed and suicidal
and work 80 hour weeks

Is Chris Matthews trying to convince MSNBC that they should have kept Olbermann instead?

GoneFishing said:
I most certainly am interested in bettering the lives ov Americans and strengthening our nation. But the reality is increasing Corporate Taxes will not fix the problem, it will make it worse. The solution to our problem is to Increase Economic Freedom. Your with is to reduce economic freedom, and direct economic activity by government action and penalty.

The relationship between economic freedom and prosperity is well known, and beyond question. It is simply a Fact that If you increase the freedom of choice for labor, capitol and investment, you increase the level of wealth and prosperity FOR ALL.

It is also true that if Government limits economic Freedom, picking winners and loser’s then the economy will stagnate and become inefficient. Reducing wealth and prosperity and Concentrating that remaining wealth in the hands of the those chosen by Government…and so the Majority lose wealth and there is Less Prosperity for all.

The Choice is simple: Freedom and Prosperity or Economic Control & Stagnation.

A Nations wealth is not constant, and will rise or fall in direct relation to Individual Freedom.

The more able the individual is to act in their best interest, the better off we All are. Prosperity is not a Zero-Sum game.

and economic freedom means what, exactly?

stagnant wages? offshore labor? lack of healthcare?

great!

darladoon said:
. how do you think AT&T became so big? ideas? LOL>

maybe the idea to build a telephone

Anne 1 said:
Nice chatting with . You’re an idiot .

Snap !

Anne 1 said:
Correction , simple minded idiot .

Word !

cjd ohio 1 said:
just came out of thin air

they did come out of thin air.

but labor didn’t.

bell had to first patent his invention (labor), and then outsource production (labor), and then…….

the telephone wouldn’t exist were it not for labor…

and even bell’s actual labor in his garage is……labor

you think only his ideas created weatlh? that’s RIDICULOUS, and you’re a fool.

Facebook was brought to us by chain gangs of blue jean wearing folk persecuted and exploited by that cute kid that dropped out of Harvard. It is a labor intensive venture with an earnings to employee ratio of what 2B:1

I can’t wait till those Facebook workers rise up and take back what is rightfully theirs, and by rightfully theirs I mean whatever they decide they think they can get plus 50%. I’m sure Facebook will dominate once they are in charge. Kinda like the US auto’s are now.

darladoon said:
yeah, their plantations are in china, where laborers are depressed and suicidal
and work 80 hour weeks

Ever wonder why? Keep slapping on more and more government regulations, forced payments for healthcare, Unions, higher taxes and an ever shrinking supply of intelligent people in which to draw from and of course they will move jobs overseas.

cjd ohio 1 said:
maybe the idea to build a telephone

so one single idea created a massive empire of telephone wires, under-sea cables,
office buildings, etc?

really?

cjd ohio – childish moron

2012freedom said:
Ever wonder why? Keep slapping on more and more government regulations, forced payments for healthcare, Unions, higher taxes and an ever shrinking supply of intelligent people in which to draw from and of course they will move jobs overseas.

so you agree with me, thanks

and it appears you’re making an argument for government healthcare

J Baustian said:
Is Chris Matthews trying to convince MSNBC that they should have kept Olbermann instead?

Gag! Don’t even joke about that – LOL.

Danneskjold_Ragnar said:
Facebook was brought to us by chain gangs of blue jean wearing folk persecuted and exploited by that cute kid that dropped out of Harvard. It is a labor intensive venture with an earnings to employee ratio of what 2B:1

I can’t wait till those Facebook workers rise up and take back what is rightfully theirs, and by rightfully theirs I mean whatever they decide they think they can get plus 50%. I’m sure Facebook will dominate once they are in charge. Kinda like the US auto’s are now.

Silicon Valley meet Detroit…. Come and get some new justice… err I mean social justice…. or is it newbetter justice… aww heck just give me what I want or else…. NOW!!!!

darladoon said:
they did come out of thin air. but labor didn’t. bell had to first patent his invention (labor), and then outsource production (labor), and then……. the telephone wouldn’t exist were it not for labor… and even bell’s actual labor in his garage is……labor you think only his ideas created weatlh? that’s RIDICULOUS, and you’re a fool.

and it would not exist without his idea

2012freedom

are you actually arguing that china’s economic model is superior to ours?

have you been to china?

cjd ohio 1 said:
and it would not exist without his idea

dude, you have NO IDEA what you’re talking about.

i’ll ask you this ONE MORE TIME:

how does an idea, in and of itself, create wealth?

if you can’t answer this question directly, then you lose this debate.

an idea only goes as far as the brain. it cannot move the hands, the feet,
the arms, the legs, etc.

it cannot build things. it cannot grow vegetables. it cannot do ANYTHING.

darladoon said:
only in america does a certain % of the population DEFEND the super wealthy on the grounds
that these people have an “already heavily burdened tax base”

heavily burdened?

to give one rebuttal: reagan’s tax rates were HIGHER than obama’s.

reagan’s estate tax % was 60!!!!!!

under obama, what it’s like, what, 25%?

if the burden is soooooooo heavy for rich people, then why do they have so much
money, while the working class’ wages are stagnant for 30 years?

As if to prove my point, you’re not so much rebutting in terms of what effects taxes have on revenue rates or economic performance as you are whining about rich people.

Schadenfreude, the appeal to enjoy and accede to the hurt of another simply because he has more than you, makes no economic sense. Better that everybody succeed. My success, and yours, is not dependent on the engineered failure of another. Socialistic thought is sustained by little but endless sloganeering. What % of the population do you suppose understands that?

BTW, studies on effective tax rates discount your telling.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/06/the_real_tax_rates_on_top_earners.html
http://businessroundtable.org/uploads/studies-reports/downloads/20090709_US_Corporate_Effective_Rates.pdf

darladoon said:
so you agree with me, thanks
and it appears you’re making an argument for government healthcare

Okay. What’s your point? Everyone knows that companies are moving jobs overseas. Was it a secret? More government intrusion will do that. Ummm…are you saying because I said that forced payments for healthcare is one reason that companies will move jobs overseas is an argument for government healthcare? So using your logic then government should stop with all the intrusions, regulations and high taxes because those are also causing us to lose jobs.

darladoon said:
are you actually arguing that china’s economic model is superior to ours?
have you been to china?

No and no. Just stating a fact as to why companies move jobs overseas. How does that equate with China being superior to us?

Paleoconservatarian said:
As if to prove my point, you’re not so much rebutting in terms of what effects taxes have on revenue rates or economic performance as you are whining about rich people.

Schadenfreude, the appeal to enjoy and accede to the hurt of another simply because he has more than you, makes no economic sense. Better that everybody succeed. My success, and yours, is not dependent on the engineered failure of another. Socialistic thought is sustained by little but endless sloganeering. What % of the population do you suppose understands that?

BTW, studies on effective tax rates discount your telling.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/06/the_real_tax_rates_on_top_earners.html
http://businessroundtable.org/uploads/studies-reports/downloads/20090709_US_Corporate_Effective_Rates.pdf

They won’t rest till it’s all burned down…. mobs burn things down, water is wet.

darladoon said:
sexist pig

a nice dildo is just fine

Darla Dear, you still using that old stinky one Rachael Madcow gave you 8 years ago? Just ask Rachael for a new one. She is making the big buck$ now.

darladoon said:
<Pt,. it cannot build things. it cannot grow vegetables. it cannot do ANYTHING.

and you cant build things without a idea wow, you think a house just appeared that someone didnt have the idea that i need shelter

WildMan said:
Darla Dear, you still using that old stinky one Rachael Madcow gave you 8 years ago? Just ask Rachael for a new one. She is making the big buck$ now.

I thought Rachael already had the formal transformation so I would imagine she has a bunch just lying around anyway.

It is so funny when Chrissy Thrills goes through that time of the month. I thought she was too old to still have a period. I guess his Prezy Obumbler giving him daily thrills has lit the fire up Chrissy’s leg pretty much every day. Matthews is such a sissified girlyman.

cjd ohio 1 said:
maybe the idea to build a telephone

Valiant effort cjd . Wasted on a dolt like darladoon that believes the day laborer is as important to the process as the person who founded the company . The laborer she believes ,by extention , deserves to be compensated for their efforts on a level similiar to the owner , through pay , profit sharing etc. or punitively through taxes , or social programs .

darladoon said:
dude, you have NO IDEA what you’re talking about. i’ll ask you this ONE MORE TIME: how does an idea, in and of itself, create wealth? <Pni

nice try, i never said that, you said only labor creates wealth , i said wrong………….you have to have ideas and labor to create wealth

2012freedom said:
I thought Rachael already had the formal transformation so I would imagine she has a bunch just lying around anyway.

Let’s let Darla clear this up…he,he,he!

cjd ohio 1 said:
and you cant build things without a idea wow, you think a house just appeared that someone didnt have the idea that i need shelter

labor built that house, it didn’t know it was doing it, but it did it and it is solely responsible for the accomplishment. It’s very simple and exceptionally logicalish

WildMan said:
It is so funny when Chrissy Thrills goes through that time of the month. I thought she was too old to still have a period. I guess his Prezy Obumbler giving him daily thrills has lit the fire up Chrissy’s leg pretty much every day. Matthews is such a sissified girlyman.

Didn’t you hear that he now hears the earth move in addition to getting thrills up his leg when Obama speaks? The totally hilarious thing is he passes as a serious commentator on MSNBC. LOL.

SuperStar said:
Valiant effort cjd . Wasted on a dolt like darladoon that believes the day laborer is as important to the process as the person who founded the company . The laborer she believes ,by extention , deserves to be compensated for their efforts on a level similiar to the owner , through pay , profit sharing etc. or punitively through taxes , or social programs .

thanks, i give up on darla

Danneskjold_Ragnar said:
labor built that house, it didn’t know it was doing it, but it did it and it is solely responsible for the accomplishment. It’s very simple and exceptionally logicalish

It’s simple effect and cause, I can’t believe you didn’t learn about effect and cause at University

2012freedom said:
Didn’t you hear that he now hears the earth move in addition to getting thrills up his leg when Obama speaks? The totally hilarious thing is he passes as a serious commentator on MSNBC. LOL.

I get a kick out of Chrissy Matthews fluttering his hand out in front of him when he is talking to a guest. It is so feminine. Ido believe you are correct about Chrissy. Every day the signal goes out to the WH for a personal stay/invite to the Lincoln bedroom. I do believe Chrissy is ‘bi’…no joke!

WildMan said:
Let’s let Darla clear this up…he,he,he!

Say what you will but I wish I had mitts like that fine lady

Shazam!! I could dunk a basketball if I could just palm it like RM

WildMan said:
I get a kick out of Chrissy Matthews fluttering his hand out in front of him when he is talking to a guest. It is so feminine. Ido believe you are correct about Chrissy. Every day the signal goes out to the WH for a personal stay/invite to the Lincoln bedroom. I do believe Chrissy is ‘bi’…no joke!

It is pretty weird when their men act like women and their women look like men over at MSNBC. Kinda creepy.

Economic Freedom is to work or invest in the best interests of the individual, Not the Government.

Every attempt by Government to direct Economic activity by either reward or cost decreases Freedom.

The US Tax Code is 75,000 pages long, with over 60,000 deductions. Every one of those deductions without exception is a check on economic freedom, and harms our economy.

Obama and the Democratic Congress has greatly increased the limits of economic freedom by adding over 30,000 new regulations at a cost of over 1,500,000,000,000 per/yr to our economy. Thats 1,5 Trillion that could be paying salaries, purchasing benefits, expanding production, creating new markets, and hiring new employees. But instead, is money being spent as the Government directs…producing nothing, and making us all poorer and less prosperous.

Reading your posts leads me to the understanding you are emotionally driven, and your understanding of Economics and limited to a political belief of ‘Right and Wring’ where you get to choose who is right and who is wrong. Sadly, that simply solution does not exist anywhere except in the mind’s of tyrants. It is not up to you, or the Government to decide what is ‘Best’ for anyone. The sooner you and the Government stop trying to tell others what is best for them, they better off we will all be.

darladoon said:
ideas do not create wealth

only work does. work is SWEATING and MOVING and BUILDING.

Honestly, are you so blind that you believe those Idea came without effort? or the investment to create new markets or products came without effort or risk?

All ‘Labor’ is not done with a shovel.

Yoda002 said:
The top 400 richest people have as much wealth as the bottom 155 million people and they pay an average of 16% of their overall wealth. The lowest effective rate since the early 50’s

Where are the jobs? They are hoarding cash

Hoarding… or just not doing as you wish with what is not yours? Careful, your envy is showing.

When did it become fashionable to demand from others what you do not have yourself? Or more simply; Who died and left you in-charge…

darladoon said:
ideas do not create wealth

I think Bill Gates would disagree with you. Just sayin’

Poor Darladoon. Attacked by all these rabid rightwing guys. Amazing how these characters so easily go off topic and get aggressive. It’s also amazing how you all hate Chris Matthews but you seem to follow his every move. For the last year or so Matthews has been very much on target and insightful. Yes, the Republicans are practicing “economic terrorism” and blackmail against our country and in a few weeks 70-80% of us are going to be very angry at all Republicans and rightwingers for what you’re trying to do, which is to bring Obama and the whole country down. So I stand by what I wrote earlier in this thread.

“I think the rightwingers whom habituate this blog are insane and in serious denial. As already stated the vast majority of Americans want people making over $250,000 to pay more than they’re currently paying – really progressive taxation has been very successful in the past. As Warren Buffett famously said, his secretary pays a higher percentage of her income in taxes than he does. The symbolism displayed by rightwingers is patently that of a slave devoted to his master – for you people, royalty never died and yet you go on about the glories of the American Revolution when we proudly proclaimed no more tribute to the king.
There is enough money and energy in this country to get us back on our feet quickly instead of being mired down in our own frustrated greed, stupidity and selfishness. History is not going to be kind to Republicans. It will be even worse than their isolationalism and opposition to Roosevelt’s policies such as social security and bank reform and winning the Second World War.
Yes, tax the rich, stop the socialism for corporations. Get the corporations to start spending money to create jobs and demand for their products and services. Republicans still believe in fairy tales like trickle down economics. Now there’s a variant of capitalism that has never worked. Do you people really want an end to Medicaire and Social Security and the privatization of everything that moves? I’m sure you would want to end Medicaid because it mainly benefits the poor. Compassion for the lesser amongst us is not a strong rightwing characteristic. As I said, there is still a strong minority in this country of people who are not playing with a full deck. Fortunately, demographics is rapidly working against the backward rightwing. When was the rightwing ever on the right side of history.”

WildMan said:
Joan needs to find herself a man. Damn, she is always so angry and full of hate. Maybe Anthony Weiner would be a guy she could appreciate if his wife gives his sorry rear the boot….lolololololol. And Chrissy Tingles is looking so old…like mid to late 70’s. He should have retired 15 years ago.

Lovely, a typical right-wing pig. Nothing but attacks and smears. Cogent arguments? Solutions? Not a one. Textbook Rovian right-winger. They think that with enough slander and libel people will forget just how horribly wrong you are on the issues. That is until people are *reminded* of the issues. The issue is the Republicans are using economic terrorism against the citizens of the United States. It’s sick. It’s immoral. And it’s indefensible.

Danneskjold_Ragnar said:
Say what you will but I wish I had mitts like that fine lady

Shazam!! I could dunk a basketball if I could just palm it like RM

You’re right. Rachael’s hands really are much more manly than Chrissy Matthews little lily whites that have never done a day of manual labor in her life.

ganymede said:
Yes, the Republicans are practicing “economic terrorism” and blackmail against our country

Which is what you were saying when Obama didn’t vote to raise the debt ceiling? And then again when he agreed to keep the Bush tax cuts in place?

ganymede said:
“I think the rightwingers whom habituate this blog are insane and in serious denial. As already stated the vast majority of Americans want people making over $250,000 to pay more than they’re currently paying

Well first of all, back at ya with the insane and denial comment. If the cut off is $240K why do you Libs keep calling them millionaires and billionaires? You do know the difference right?

ganymede said:
Yes, tax the rich, stop the socialism for corporations. Get the corporations to start spending money to create jobs and demand for their products and services

Yes, let’s force those darn companies to do exactly what we want and how we want it done.

ganymede said:
Do you people really want an end to Medicaire and Social Security and the privatization of everything that moves?

No but we damn well better revamp it or it will be a moot point in a very short amount of time. Do nothing and the whole thing collapses.

2012freedom said:
It is pretty weird when their men act like women and their women look like men over at MSNBC. Kinda creepy.

As low as the msnbc ratings are, especially Morning Joe, Chris Matthews and the Turkish cenk character, I figured Comcast would have started making changes by now. msnbc needs a makeover for sure!

namseer said:
The issue is the Republicans are using economic terrorism against the citizens of the United States. It’s sick. It’s immoral. And it’s indefensible.

You forgot to toss “racist” in there. Just thought I would point that out.

Matthews is the political analyst version of Nancy Grace. I don’t want to sound like the illuminati guy but somebody very powerful is keeping him in a job. How can you be last in the ratings for 10 to 15 years and still stay on the air.

namseer said:
Lovely, a typical right-wing pig. Nothing but attacks and smears. Cogent arguments? Solutions? Not a one. Textbook Rovian right-winger. They think that with enough slander and libel people will forget just how horribly wrong you are on the issues. That is until people are *reminded* of the issues. The issue is the Republicans are using economic terrorism against the citizens of the United States. It’s sick. It’s immoral. And it’s indefensible.

Dudette, get over thyself. Me thinks you are getting tingles & thrills running up your legs when you see a Conservative Independent post here. Give Chrissy a ring a ling a ling so you two can share the moment.

ganymede said:

Poor Darladoon. Attacked by all these rabid rightwing guys. Amazing how these characters so easily go off topic and get aggressive. It’s also amazing how you all hate Chris Matthews but you seem to follow his every move. . .

Yeah, that Chris Matthews and the economic debates his discussions generate. He really knows how to frame the issues in decrying those who propose realistic solutions to our economic malaise as terrorists (nice to see you’re on board with that, BTW!). We’re only spending multiple pages here going over the classic Marx argument on the means of production. In spite of the fact that Marx is probably the most discredited social and economic theorist in the last several hundred years.

Tax revenues will be generated when the economy restarts. People will become employed again when the economy restarts. The perceived, and false, need for central planning efforts to restart the economy through massive government ‘investments,’ ballooning the national debt to unsustainable levels, will go away when the economy restarts. Taxing job producers for the punitive purposes of ‘distributive justice’ won’t ever help in this regard. Though the class warfare that’s appealed to in promising to soak the rich will most definitely appeal to the greed of a certain segment of the progressive voter base.

2012freedom said:
I thought Rachael already had the formal transformation so I would imagine she has a bunch just lying around anyway.

This is the kind of sick freak that is supposed to represent conservatives and who consider themselves worthy of discussing serious political issues of the day? More like @2012freedom and their buddy @WildMan are much more representative of the mentally impaired and/or convicted sex offenders.

ganymede said:
Poor Darladoon. Attacked by all these rabid rightwing guys. Amazing how these characters so easily go off topic and get aggressive. It’s also amazing how you all hate Chris Matthews but you seem to follow his every move. For the last year or so Matthews has been very much on target and insightful. Yes, the Republicans are practicing “economic terrorism” and blackmail against our country and in a few weeks 70-80% of us are going to be very angry at all Republicans and rightwingers for what you’re trying to do, which is to bring Obama and the whole country down. So I stand by what I wrote earlier in this thread.

“I think the rightwingers whom habituate this blog are insane and in serious denial. As already stated the vast majority of Americans want people making over $250,000 to pay more than they’re currently paying – really progressive taxation has been very successful in the past. As Warren Buffett famously said, his secretary pays a higher percentage of her income in taxes than he does. The symbolism displayed by rightwingers is patently that of a slave devoted to his master – for you people, royalty never died and yet you go on about the glories of the American Revolution when we proudly proclaimed no more tribute to the king.
There is enough money and energy in this country to get us back on our feet quickly instead of being mired down in our own frustrated greed, stupidity and selfishness. History is not going to be kind to Republicans. It will be even worse than their isolationalism and opposition to Roosevelt’s policies such as social security and bank reform and winning the Second World War.
Yes, tax the rich, stop the socialism for corporations. Get the corporations to start spending money to create jobs and demand for their products and services. Republicans still believe in fairy tales like trickle down economics. Now there’s a variant of capitalism that has never worked. Do you people really want an end to Medicaire and Social Security and the privatization of everything that moves? I’m sure you would want to end Medicaid because it mainly benefits the poor. Compassion for the lesser amongst us is not a strong rightwing characteristic. As I said, there is still a strong minority in this country of people who are not playing with a full deck. Fortunately, demographics is rapidly working against the backward rightwing. When was the rightwing ever on the right side of history.”

Economic Terrorism? Oh, you mean Terrorism, bribery and coercion. Like suing a Company because they did not build a factory where the Government wanted? Or Raising your Taxes because they do not buy what the Government wants, or paying a bonus in tax dollars taken from another because they do? That kind of Terrorism?

namseer said:
This is the kind of sick freak that is supposed to represent conservatives and who consider themselves worthy of discussing serious political issues of the day? More like @2012freedom and their buddy @WildMan are much more representative of the mentally impaired and/or convicted sex offenders.

Oh, so when you call us “teabaggers” that is discussing serious political issues? Damn, I was totally off base in what I thought it meant. Check. I got it now. Thanks for clearing that up. LOL. The Liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds.

GoneFishing said:
Hoarding… or just not doing as you wish with what is not yours? Careful, your envy is showing.

When did it become fashionable to demand from others what you do not have yourself? Or more simply; Who died and left you in-charge…

All their wealth is not helping the vast majority of people. They should be some sacrifice at the top too. I’m not sure why you so protective of their wealth? Their hoarding of wealth doesn’t stimulate the economy. Look at third world countries and you will see the same situation; a very large inequity of wealth.

dougx said:
Matthews is the political analyst version of Nancy Grace. I don’t want to sound like the illuminati guy but somebody very powerful is keeping him in a job. How can you be last in the ratings for 10 to 15 years and still stay on the air.

The person keeping him on the air is Matthews himself. He’s great at ingratiating himself to his bosses plans for the network. When it’s riding the wave of Clintonian triangulation, he’s a genial story teller swapping tales with Pat Buchanan over the good old days of Tip O’Neil & Reagan’s gentleman disagreements and practical horse swapping. When When America goes to war and MSNBC becomes a pro-war network, he all of a sudden thinks there are nuclear bombs about to go off in our cities and marches in lockstep with the crowd. When there’s an anti-war, anti-Bush audience to appeal to, he becomes an attack dog. When Obama becomes president and MSNBC becomes a group of snarling, political allies of the president’s agenda, Matthews shows he can snarl with the best of them. He always makes sure he’s part of the grand design.

SuperStar said:
Valiant effort cjd . Wasted on a dolt like darladoon that believes the day laborer is as important to the process as the person who founded the company . The laborer she believes ,by extention , deserves to be compensated for their efforts on a level similiar to the owner , through pay , profit sharing etc. or punitively through taxes , or social programs .

Well said .

GoneFishing said:
Economic Terrorism? Oh, you mean Terrorism, bribery and coercion. Like suing a Company because they did not build a factory where the Government wanted? Or Raising your Taxes because they do not buy what the Government wants, or paying a bonus in tax dollars taken from another because they do? That kind of Terrorism?

Can I answer this one? Yes, but only in Liberalville.

The average CEO got 23% increase in benefits a couple years ago while the average worker got a 1% increase but after inflation it was -1%. Now if you gave a little more to the average worker that would’ve created more demand for products and that in turn would of cause more hiring because of demand. That would give consumers more purchasing power.

More MSNBC “balanced” reporting.

darladoon said:
a majority of americans (81%) want taxes raised on the rich.

What a surprise Darla. Perhaps you should change that 2nd “d” to an “l”. Then we’d understand this comment without having to strain our brains so much.

Yoda002 said:
All their wealth is not helping the vast majority of people.

Two key words here – THEIR WEALTH. Why should they be required to help the vast majority of people with THEIR WEALTH?

2012freedom said:
Two key words here – THEIR WEALTH. Why should they be required to help the vast majority of people with THEIR WEALTH?

They need to sacrifice like the rest of America especially when they are getting all those welfare benefits.

Yoda002 said:
All their wealth is not helping the vast majority of people. They should be some sacrifice at the top too. I’m not sure why you so protective of their wealth? Their hoarding of wealth doesn’t stimulate the economy. Look at third world countries and you will see the same situation; a very large inequity of wealth.

You don’t think they have been paying taxes all along? I am not ‘Protective of their wealth’ I am simply not a thief.

I have never felt what someone else has can be mine if I can only find a way to take it from them. They do not ‘Owe’ me anything, any more than they owe you, and I am too honest to try to cheat them out of it, and too honorable to try and take it by force. Why do You think you have any right to property you did not earn? I am not attacking you, its an honest question…Think about it.

The Reason third world countries have such an income disparity is because the Government in those countries decide who wins and who looses…much like our tax code does. There is, in-fact, a direct link between Economic Freedom and Prosperity..it is not a slogan, it is a reality. The disparity you speak of is always present a Dictatorship, and it does not matter if the ‘Dictator’ is an individual, or a Legislature…the result is always the same; Less Economic Freedom = Less Prosperity for most. The reverse is also true except everyone benefits when we have the freedom to choose for ourselves. More Freedom to decide now to use your assets = More prosperity for all.

Want a Prosperous America with a level playing field? Me too. Lets work to overhaul the Tax code.

Lets get the ‘Fair Tax’ in place, and the US Economy would take off like a rocket. It would Get rid of those 60,000 deductions, put Americans to work again and return economic freedom for us all. Yes, we Would all be better off.

The increased economic activity resulting from the new tax structure would greatly increase revenue to the Fed and states too, and you would see our balance sheet go from red to black much sooner than you think possible.

Yoda002 said:
They need to sacrifice like the rest of America especially when they are getting all those welfare benefits.

YODA,

If, if, we could find a Planet, just like Earth, and all you Socialist, Progressive whatevers could go there, (of course the rest of us, would have to provide the means and money) And you folks all left to your new world of grooviness, bongo drums, hemp clothing and “be ins,” you’d be ‘demanding’ handouts from us, back on earth within a year!

That is, unless you’d have put a Leninesque, Jim Jones character in charge, then… never mind, I’ve got a headache.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

My tax money help bail them out. I pay a higher tax rate. They get a lot tax credits and loops holes in the tax code that most don’t get. I feel they are robbing from me!! Who is the thief? Look at Germany and Japan and they have a more fairer tax system. When you get a bigger inequality of wealth you get bigger portion of people on the bottom.

I agree we need a Fair Tax and it would help this country tremendously.

purveyor said:
YODA,

If, if, we could find a Planet, just like Earth, and all you Socialist, Progressive whatevers could go there, (of course the rest of us, would have to provide the means and money) And you folks all left to your new world of grooviness, bongo drums, hemp clothing and “be ins,” you’d be ‘demanding’ handouts from us, back on earth within a year!

That is, unless you’d have put a Leninesque, Jim Jones character in charge, then… never mind, I’ve got a headache.

I don’t think you understand; we have reverse socialism. Not sure why the wealthy need welfare? They need a safety net? It seems like they’re doing very, very, very well.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

“Theres men that somehow just grip your eyes and hold them hard like a spell.

And such was he, and looked to me, like a man who had lived in hell.”

purveyor said:
YODA,

If, if, we could find a Planet, just like Earth, and all you Socialist, Progressive whatevers could go there, (of course the rest of us, would have to provide the means and money) And you folks all left to your new world of grooviness, bongo drums, hemp clothing and “be ins,” you’d be ‘demanding’ handouts from us, back on earth within a year!

That is, unless you’d have put a Leninesque, Jim Jones character in charge, then… never mind, I’ve got a headache.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

I don’t think you understand; we have reverse socialism. Not sure why the wealthy need welfare? They need a safety net? It seems like they’re doing very, very, very well!

YODA,

I understand very well.
YODA

I believe you to be earnest and well meaning.

I have a Thesis, I call, “Economic Treason,” defined as a private or individual action or decision that has negative results on the economics or security of America.

For, instance, sending jobs out of the country, could be construed as Economic treason. However, why are the companies moving out of the country?

I think you might like to hear more about it as I think it bridges some gaps?

Anyway, Good night, Vaya con Dios

Paleoconservatarian said:
The person keeping him on the air is Matthews himself. He’s great at ingratiating himself to his bosses plans for the network. When it’s riding the wave of Clintonian triangulation, he’s a genial story teller swapping tales with Pat Buchanan over the good old days of Tip O’Neil & Reagan’s gentleman disagreements and practical horse swapping. When When America goes to war and MSNBC becomes a pro-war network, he all of a sudden thinks there are nuclear bombs about to go off in our cities and marches in lockstep with the crowd. When there’s an anti-war, anti-Bush audience to appeal to, he becomes an attack dog. When Obama becomes president and MSNBC becomes a group of snarling, political allies of the president’s agenda, Matthews shows he can snarl with the best of them. He always makes sure he’s part of the grand design.

Yeah, and if memory serves, he was one of the guys pounding the Monica/Bill thing day and night. I guess he is a bit of a chameleon.

purveyor said:
YODA,

I understand very well.
YODA

I believe you to be earnest and well meaning.

I have a Thesis, I call, “Economic Treason,” defined as a private or individual action or decision that has negative results on the economics or security of America.

For, instance, sending jobs out of the country, could be construed as Economic treason. However, why are the companies moving out of the country?

I think you might like to hear more about it as I think it bridges some gaps?

Anyway, Good night, Vaya con Dios

purveyor……here you go again……I’m starting to doubt you’re an ‘ally’. And you DON’T want to get on my bad side
“I believe you to be earnest and well meaning.”……REALLY???? Are you a Moron? earnest? well meaning? ARE YOU KIDDING…..or a Moron? Don’t give these libturds ANY breaks!!! THEY destroyed to this Country. I’m fighting back. You are pandering…..If that works for you, Have at it. But it won’t work,,,,,they are MORONS!!!!
If you don’t get it it……then you’re gonna get the wrath of me. (not something you’d want)

I want the next plane Chris Matthews is on to crash.

But I digress…

This IDIOT ‘thrill-up-his-leg’ Leftist media HACK doesn’t seem to grasp that you can RAISE REVENUE simply by PUTTING MORE PEOPLE TO WORK!!! The person who is unemployed now would be paying ‘higher taxes’ if he or she had a job…ergo, REVENUE WOULD BE RAISED.

These INBRED LEFTIST MEDIA HACKS don’t want to do simple math proving that as more people get jobs, tax receipts go UP.

But, having been proven an Administration full of Jerry’s Kids, Obamo has no CLUE how to do that. Nor does he WANT to.

To Inbred Obamo, it’s all about those ‘jet owners.’

What a wee-todd he is.

Matt:

Can you please reach out to management at MSNBC and get a comment from them regarding their double standard? This is a serious request.

I do not understand how there can reasonable be such a double standard and this board (and others) not question MSNBC management about their policies regarding hosts/guests and what they can and cannot say about people.

I’ll wait for the update to the story once you have comment from them.

Don’t you think you are obligated to ask them about that? I know you frequently request comment, and indeed have received comments from FNC and CNN, but what about msnbc? Can you please find out for those of us who are curious as to the outrageous double standard at msnbc?

Thanks in advance for answering my request.

Both sides are being idiots about this. Democrats want the government to be larger/provide more services. Republicans don’t but they can’t articulate it in a way that doesn’t make them look mean. I wish they’d stop the class warfare garbage and be honest about the fact that whatever they do is going to hurt someone.

Out of all their options, making the tax code simpler would be the least disruptive. That would in effect increase taxes on the “rich” but provide some certainty and make the US more competitive globally. They could down-size the IRS and tax accountants/lawyers would need to find another job. I say it’s a decent trade. And I don’t believe for a minute that people who can afford to won’t buy houses because they don’t get a deduction.

Yoda002 said:
My tax money help bail them out. I pay a higher tax rate. They get a lot tax credits and loops holes in the tax code that most don’t get. I feel they are robbing from me!! Who is the thief? Look at Germany and Japan and they have a more fairer tax system. When you get a bigger inequality of wealth you get bigger portion of people on the bottom.

I agree we need a Fair Tax and it would help this country tremendously.

Yes, and I cannot think of a single Conservative that supported the Bail Outs…That is not to say Republicans did not agree to the Bail outs,dome did; They are Not conservatives. Consider that more Democrats voted for the bailout packages more than Republicans did. Bush spent like a Drunken sailor…my apologies to Sailors everywhere. Then Obama doubled down on the craziness and spent over a Trillion. and the Jobs Bill…Did you get one of those $250,000 a year jobs? Know anyone who did? yea, me either.

We need the Fair Tax to return rationality to our tax system, and so our economy. No bailouts to any Company and No Tax deductions for Anything. The same for Citizens. If it does not make economic sense, then it does not make sense. We need to return Economic Freedom to the citizens of our Nation… to Return Our Freedom to use our capitol and labor as We see fit without the coercive intervention of Government.

The Tax code has become 75,000 pages of social engineering thru Bribery, threat and penalty. The Government has created 60,000 ways to pick our pockets while picking the winners and losers in our society and economy. But the truth is, no matter how nice your little deduction seems, in the end We pay the price.

America’s demons used to tell us that if we disagree with them, we were racists. Now, apparently they’re so desperate that they claim disagreeing with them is “terrorism.” I used to feel compassion for those caught in the darkness of Liberalism. But these days I can only feel sorry that they have to support the likes of Pris Matthews, Bill Maher, and Anthony Weiner as their spokesmen.

Paul G said:
purveyor……here you go again……I’m starting to doubt you’re an ‘ally’. And you DON’T want to get on my bad side
“I believe you to be earnest and well meaning.”……REALLY???? Are you a Moron? earnest? well meaning? ARE YOU KIDDING…..or a Moron? Don’t give these libturds ANY breaks!!! THEY destroyed to this Country. I’m fighting back. You are pandering…..If that works for you, Have at it. But it won’t work,,,,,they are MORONS!!!!
If you don’t get it it……then you’re gonna get the wrath of me. (not something you’d want)

I’m sorry… I promise I’ll try not to do it agin… LOL

Yoda002 said:
Not sure why the wealthy need welfare?

What welfare? You realize that welfare is when the government gives you someone else’s money, right?

crclarkNY said:
Both sides are being idiots about this. Democrats want the government to be larger/provide more services. Republicans don’t but they can’t articulate it in a way that doesn’t make them look mean. I wish they’d stop the class warfare garbage and be honest about the fact that whatever they do is going to hurt someone.

Yes, there are people for whom turning off the free money spigot will not be pleasant. Life is like that. It is not the purview of the Federal Government to make life cushy.

purveyor said:
I have a Thesis, I call, “Economic Treason,” defined as a private or individual action or decision that has negative results on the economics or security of America.

Why would it have to be an individual action? If there’s such a thing as economic treason, this looks like it. What is that if not an invitation to move manufacturing operations out of the reach of the American government?

2012freedom said:
Oh, so when you call us “teabaggers” that is discussing serious political issues? Damn, I was totally off base in what I thought it meant. Check. I got it now. Thanks for clearing that up. LOL. The Liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds.

The reason you people are called “Tea Baggers” is because you people were so stupid as to refer to *yourselves* as “Tea Baggers” for WEEKS before you figured out that the term “tea bag” is a euphemism. To point out the foolishness of your group is fair game.

namseer said:
” for WEEKS before you figured out that the term “tea bag” is a euphemism. To point out the foolishness of your group is fair game.

Don’t kid yourself. Being educated simply means you were lucky enough to get a good education, myself included. I kind of doubt it given your logic here, but who knows.

Knowing profane terms just means you hang out with profane people. It’s as old as time, calling a group disparaging names is no different for political reasons as for race. It reveals more about the person name-calling. If you’re happy with yourself and your life, you simply don’t find the value in attacking others.

Mathews should think about the thousands of people who can’t call their loved ones because they were killed by terrorists. Maybe that’ll give him perspective to not say such offensive things….

Again, where’s that ‘new tone’ the professional left keeps promising or hyping….

namseer said:
The reason you people are called “Tea Baggers” is because you people were so stupid as to refer to *yourselves* as “Tea Baggers” for WEEKS before you figured out that the term “tea bag” is a euphemism.

Wrong. The reason American patriots are called “Tea Baggers” is because hypocritical Liberals think it’s degrading to use a term that’s a euphemism for a minority group they claim to support…………………..homosexuals.

‘Tea PARTY,’ however, refers to American patriots who make a stand against oppression and America’s enemies on the Left. Remember, the Constitution was written for the sole purpose of protecting America from modern Liberals.

namseer said:
The reason you people are called “Tea Baggers” is because you people were so stupid as to refer to *yourselves* as “Tea Baggers” for WEEKS before you figured out that the term “tea bag” is a euphemism. To point out the foolishness of your group is fair game.

After “WEEKS” had passed and even now after over a year of all now knowing what that term means, why are you still excusing the continued use of such an ugly term that someone may be using to describe your neighbor or friend?

There’s definately something wrong with people that coined and use that vile term as well as those that condone the use of it to mock the innocent people that weren’t privy to the “euphemism.” Game players indeed, being left out of the knowledge of that and whatever else they dream up is has nothing to do with “stupid” and everything to do with living a decent life.

“fair game?” hog wash

Ten years of tax breaks tor wealthy and oil companies have weakened our country and now the G-NO-P and Tea Baggies must feel like they have us all by the Bag…? I say No they don’t….!

In view of both the article and the comments, are we really…. REALLLLLY.. listening to ourselves???? The debate is “why do you say that?” to which the response is essentially an obtuse “I know you are but what am I?” when will someone defeat all of this madness and scream: STICKS AND STONES WILL BREAK MY BONES BUT NAMES WILL NEVER HURT ME!!!!!

Pablo said:
Why would it have to be an individual action? If there’s such a thing as economic treason, this looks like it. What is that if not an invitation to move manufacturing operations out of the reach of the American government?

PABLO,

I agree, however, my use of the word “treason” is not in a legal sense. Although, it could lead to such, depending on the current law, or, even inspire new law that would tighten up on self serving behavior that harms America and Americans.

PABLO, Comments like yours go in my journal, from there to the more formal Thesis. (Book?) So thank you.

DAVO, and I had lengthy discussion a day ago whereby he immediately grasped that Economic Treason is going as we speak. To greater or lesser degrees.

Conversely, Karl Marx might say: “I told you so.” Marx asserted that “socialism would make the rope the Capitalists hang ourselves with.” (paraphrase)

Question: Can a thriving Capitalist America, maintain Patriotism, Nationalism without selling our souls?

The boot of Socialism on the neck is terrifying. Yet somehow we’ve been spending too much time celebrating diversity, when we should have been teaching the greatness of our Nation.

Celebrate our commonality! (warts and all)

I have been writing and talking about the same things Beck does, since 1990. That there is, has been, a coincidental loose and tight conspiracy in America, right now, that desires to de-Americanize us.

Truthfully, there are some really bright and insightful people in here. There are some real comics too. LOL

Thanks, Purveyor (now I am going for ride on my Triumph 900 Thruxton)

Davo said:
Wrong. The reason American patriots are called “Tea Baggers” is because hypocritical Liberals think it’s degrading to use a term that’s a euphemism for a minority group they claim to support…………………..homosexuals.

‘Tea PARTY,’ however, refers to American patriots who make a stand against oppression and America’s enemies on the Left. Remember, the Constitution was written for the sole purpose of protecting America from modern Liberals.

the tea baggers gave themselves that name, and once we pointed out to them what it
meant, they changed their name.

GoneFishing said:
Honestly, are you so blind that you believe those Idea came without effort? or the investment to create new markets or products came without effort or risk?

All ‘Labor’ is not done with a shovel.

ideas are a product of consciousness, and consciousness is not part of material
reality. material reality is where economies begin.

only labor can create that transformation.

ideas, in fact, are *based* in material reality. for instance, when food from the trees
runs out, and humans are forced to grow food instead, that wasn’t an “idea” that one
great man figured out. it was a material necessity for survival. hardly an “idea”.

only digging into the ground and planting seeds achieved that transformation.

and once we had a surplus of food, then capitalism begins….

darladoon said:
the tea baggers gave themselves that name, and once we pointed out to them what it
meant, they changed their name.

Sure. And Bill Clinton fought for a balanced budget against the Republican congress who wanted unlimited spending. Sheesh…………….what a ditz. All your “thinkers” have to do is state they are from Jupiter, and you’d just swear they are.

Obama’s budget proposal was rejected by the Senate 99-0. He never proposed a budget in 2010 as required by law. He did spend us into oblivion and was responsible for the problems we have in this country. He laughs about the stimulus failure and calls unemployed American Citizens, “A bump in the road.”

Now that’s “Terrorism” mister tingle up your leg, hard balls.

You have to wonder if Matthews believes even half the venom he spews or is it just his effort to be “edgy” in an attempt to save his sinking show. Even with two airings, his numbers stink.

namseer said:
The reason you people are called “Tea Baggers” is because you people were so stupid as to refer to *yourselves* as “Tea Baggers” for WEEKS before you figured out that the term “tea bag” is a euphemism. To point out the foolishness of your group is fair game.

Nonsense. Anderson Cooper put that in play. You lie.

Joan always looks like off-camera Larry the Cable Guy just farted. Any left-wing fruitcake out there got an answer you bunch of sorry-a@@ pantywaists………….

darladoon said:
ideas are a product of consciousness, and consciousness is not part of material
reality. material reality is where economies begin.

only labor can create that transformation.

ideas, in fact, are *based* in material reality. for instance, when food from the trees
runs out, and humans are forced to grow food instead, that wasn’t an “idea” that one
great man figured out. it was a material necessity for survival. hardly an “idea”.

only digging into the ground and planting seeds achieved that transformation.

and once we had a surplus of food, then capitalism begins….

Omg, what juvenile tripe. You sound like a parody of a thinking being, or did you get those lines from a 1920′s Trotsky pamphlet?

Emotion is not Reason, and Labor Dogma is not Truth. Your sad little attempt to confine ‘Labor’ to a definition found in a ‘Workers Party’ handout, does not limit the Thing itself. It does make clear tho, your inability to grasp the larger picture.

Poor Tingles…. the only way to get talked about is to say stupid and inflamatory things, so that people will remember who he is. Bless his little heart.

Joan Walsh…. LOL … not far left? Hey, if you buy that, I’ve got some oceanfront property in AZ for sale, if you’ll buy that, I’ll throw the Golden Gate in free.

GONE FISHIN,

DAVO and I had a lengthy discussion on the origin of law. Whether law should be based on reason, or, moral inclination?

Are/is America’s Governmental treatises a product of the age of reason, or 2000 years of Christianity?

Is there a substantive difference between ethics and morality?

Also, various real world examples to make our respective cases… Great dialogue.

I would have liked to have had your input. Respectfully,

Purveyor

purveyor said:
GONE FISHIN,

DAVO and I had a lengthy discussion on the origin of law. Whether law should be based on reason, or, moral inclination?

Are/is America’s Governmental treatises a product of the age of reason, or 2000 years of Christianity?

Is there a substantive difference between ethics and morality?

Also, various real world examples to make our respective cases… Great dialogue.

I would have liked to have had your input. Respectfully,

Purveyor

Well for me, Reason trumps all. There is a wonderfull lecture by Sam Harris at TED that is worth the watch, and makes my point better than I ever could. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/sam_harris_science_can_show_what_s_right.html

Oh! I maxed out my credit card, I’ll just go and get another to pay off my loan on the first one. Does this really make any sense ? This is what our government does, why can’t I do it ? I wonder how much the U.S. pays foreign countries to have over 900 of our bases in them. South Korea is in much better financial shape than the U.S. yet we have thousands of our troops over there, why ? Bring all the troops home and stop playing policeman to the world, the government should have no business other than our national defense. The world economy be damned, take care of America first, get the government off our backs and develope our own resorces, we have plenty of them but, the government owns 1/3 of the land and won’t open it up for energy exploration. If you ran a business like the government runs this country, you would be out of business in no time. The only department that is necessary is the department of defense, all others should be abolished. Back in the 1950′s there was no OPEC or world economy and we didn’t depend on anyone for anything and we were much better off. If you didn’t have enough for a down payment on a house, you lived in an apartment untill you could save enough. Most states have sales and or income taxes now, back then there were few if any. Politicans promised the world to get elected and now too many people depend on the government. Society has changed from good to bad.

GoneFishing said:
Omg, what juvenile tripe. You sound like a parody of a thinking being, or did you get those lines from a 1920’s Trotsky pamphlet?

Emotion is not Reason, and Labor Dogma is not Truth. Your sad little attempt to confine ‘Labor’ to a definition found in a ‘Workers Party’ handout, does not limit the Thing itself. It does make clear tho, your inability to grasp the larger picture.

That’s our darladoodle! – wonder how old she claims to be today?

Doesn’t seem to realize that without the “eureka” moments of Alexander Graham Bell, Bill Gates, etc. her “material reality” would be a moot point. I don’t know how many labourers Bell had to put together his first crude telephone (none) and he could have piled all the parts of that crude telephone on a table and asked 1,000 men to make something with it – and they would have come up with nothing. Same with Gates and the program. He did the hard work – in a garage. Of course then labour comes in the picture to mass produce the item if it is useful or it just dies on the vine.

I think the girl’s been reading much too much socialist propaganda where the individual is not important – the collective is.

Matt Schneider can’t see Matthews equating the GOP’s “economic terrorism” with Walsh’s “economic hostage-taking”??

Schneider really is a thick dolt. Where does Abrams get these people?

Cody_K said:

Matt Schneider can’t see Matthews equating the GOP’s “economic terrorism” with Walsh’s “economic hostage-taking”??

Schneider really is a thick dolt. Where does Abrams get these people?

Yikes, Thats bold! Let me think about this….

“Easy Money”

It’s difficult. It’s very tough.
I said to the man who’d been sleeping rough
To sit within a fragrant breeze
All among the nodding trees
That hang heavy with the stuff

He threw his arms around my neck
He brushed the tear from my cheek
And held my soft white hand
He was an understanding man
He did not even barely hardly speak

Easy money
Rain it down on the wife and the kids
Rain it down on the house where we live
Rain until you got nothing left to give
And rain that ever-loving stuff down on me

All the things for which my heart yearns
Gives joy in diminishing returns
He kissed me on the mouth
His hands they headed south
And my cheek it burned

Money, man, it is a bitch
The poor, they spoil it for the rich
With my face pressed in the clover
I wondered when this would be over
And at home we are all so guilty-sad

Easy money
Pour it down the open drain
Pour it all through my veins
Pour it down, yeah, let it rain
And pour that ever-loving stuff down on me

Now, I’m sitting pretty down on the bank
Life shuffles past at a low interest rate
In the money-coloured meadows
And all the interesting shadows
They leap up, then dissipate

Easy money
Easy money
Easy money
Rain it down on the wife and the kids
Rain it down on the house where we live
Rain it down until you got nothing left to give
And rain that ever-loving stuff down on me