Good work, Ali. Old Grover seems to be losing his juice, but you still did well.

Norquist is an idiot. He is truely unamerican. See I have this strange idea that I want to live in a country that works for the betterment of all not just the top 1%. Let’s bring back the Eisenhower tax rates. Come on you neo-cons… start bashing Ike for his socialistic tax code.

You show ‘em, Grover!  In the history of the human race, has a staunch adherence to any ideology ever proven to be fallible?

Fact: America has a spending problem and is over taxed. Spend less than what you earn as income lowers debt. Tax is the second highest country in the world how we tax corporate income. Remove IRS and replace it with fair consumption tax rate only and spend less on entitlements that you cannot afford!

“Now, what that would require would be some shared sacrifice and a balanced approach that says we’re going to make significant cuts in domestic spending.  And I have already said I am willing to take down domestic spending to the lowest percentage of our overall economy since Dwight Eisenhower. ”President Obama’s press conference on Friday (July 15) _________Spending has exploded to 25+% of GDP during President Obama’s term.  Spending during Eisnhower was 19%  of GDP .So when will we see Obamas proprosal for his 6 % cut in across the board spending ? Come on all you Lib’s …..Start bashing Ike for killing  of women and children with his miserly ways .

Who exactly finances his lobbying group?  What group of American’s actually support the pledge that the GOP signed.

Velshi looks like he is from space.
 

give me your money rich people

“Now, what that would require would be some shared sacrifice and a balanced approach that says we’re going to make significant cuts in domestic spending.  And I have already said I am willing to take down domestic spending to the lowest percentage of our overall economy since Dwight Eisenhower. ”                          

President Obama press conference on July 15 , 2011 .
 _________ 

Spending has exploded to 25+% of GDP during President Obama’s term.   

Spending during Eisnhower was 19%  of GDP . 

So when will we see Obamas proprosal for his 6 % cut in across the board spending ?  

Come on all you Lib’s …..Start bashing Ike for killing women and children with his miserly spending .

If your a man and run on a pledge and on your word of promise, you do the honorable thing and stick to your word. Or your just another Obama and politician that the american public is sick of. Smiles and lies to gain office has gone on to long. I really doubt Americans will put up with it much longer. Hold your ground and be a man/woman at all cost. The “people” sent you their on that pledge or you would not be there nor stay there. I can see their spines bending..Oh the tea party is going to gain sooo many more seats…
 
 

It seems jounolist is alive and well.  Schieffer yesterday, Velshi this morning…..

Message to all liberal media group thinkers:  tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich, Obama is right, obama is right, Obama is right, republicans are wrong, republicans are wrong, republicans are wrong.

So funny.  Just once I would like a journalist,other than one on fnc to actually question the policies of Obama raather than push them onto the public.  Like the author of this article, clearly siding with Team Obama rather than siding with the people. 

and who exactly is this pledge designed to protect other than the upper 5%?

The appropriate question back to Ali Velshi is whether raising taxes is more important to Democrats than the overall state of the economy.    Since tax cuts are closely correlated with prosperity, the burden here is on the Left to defend their job-destroying agenda.  Republicans, who are working to keep tax rates low, have nothing to apologize for here.  

“My
ideal citizen is the self-employed, homeschooling, IRA-owning guy with a
concealed-carry permit. Because that person doesn’t need the goddamn government
for anything,” Grover Norquist

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Do you meet all of those criteria? If not, Grover Norquist is not really on your side. I believe he should have included own your own farm for endless food and a water source. Don’t forget the animal hides for clothing. Imagine everybody being self-employed. Every car custom built by one man/woman.

By the way, I have met every criteria but home schooling at one time or another and I still don’t believe Grover Norquist is talking about the real world. Part of his self-employment was as lobbyist for the Seychelles and for an an African country. I forget which one. He worked for THEIR governments. Foreign aide?

No proven relationship between tax cuts and prosperity. Look all you want, you won’t find it.
Democrats at least acknowledge that taxes are necessary. Republicans just pretend they are not, and don’t let reality stop their spending.

So let’s leave taxes alone, then. Where do we start cutting from?

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It is worse than that! Velshi is from Canada!

Lobbyist controls the entire GOP and idiots continue to praise him. Look no further than Norquist for the dumbing down of America. 

no…this is the end of the GOP and tea party, America destroying crazies…we will see…those who voted for some of this now see what they have done..next election will be a massacre…DEMOCRACY(remember that) in action…

There is NO HONOR among politicians. That is what the TEA Party is all about, honor, conviction, small government, small taxation, Constitutional government, etc.

What does RAISING TAXES have to do with a bad economy?

Another straw man argument.

The US federal government in 2010 spent 9.6% of GDP in deficit spending alone. The total spending was about 25% of GDP. How did that work out for the economy?

Heck, even FDR did not spend that much and what got us out of that Depression? All Keynesians should be purged from the government. Right along with all leftists. But I repeat myself.

“Tax is the second highest country in the world how we tax corporate income.”

Um.  No.  In regards to marginal, we’re somewhat middle of the road in comparison to the rest of the world.  However, if you factor in all of the credits and loopholes, corporations actually have an extremely low effective tax rate.  This is easily evidenced by the fact that massive corporations like GE did not pay a single dollar in corporate taxes last year.

Fact: Look here buckwheat! High is high!

http://www.smbiz.com/sbrl001.html

Fact: GE received tax payer bailout monies that paid taxes for them! Thus no taxes paid. You are a genius.

Norquist  is Not considering American citizens & the global economy.

ELECTED politicians PLEDGE to uphold the Constitution & REPRESENT their voters.

 Signing Norguist’s pledge should be considered treasonous!

Always good to get the Dem/Muslim Brotherhood point of view on the American economy .

Grover Norquist is a tiny fish in a big ocean. Why does he have so much power. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and the Organization of Tax Reformers (or whatever) pays him a real pretty salary. If this man is holding tax reforms and the debt ceiling hostage, he needs to move out of the United States. He’s wreaking havoc with the cowards in political positions, and terrifying those of us who are barely holding on.

So?  Where is the comparison data?  All I see are descriptives, which tell us absolutely nothing in terms of our corporate rate in relation to the corporate rate for other nations.

Nor did NewsCorp.

Nor did NewsCorp.

That’s not what happened. GE was able to tack back to a profitable year and recoup a loss. The same as NewsCorp/FOX “News” did. You don’t know anything about taxes, do you, yet you talk about them all the time.

Oh man!, I saw that whole segment. Ali took Norquist to the woodshed big time. Then he weasel slapped David Gergen on the way out……..PROPS ALI!

I wish Ali would change places with Joe Scarborough.

Its sad the Republicans have to suck Norquist’s d*ck.  It just show they don’t care about the American people and the consumer.  

Actually if you would  look closer at studying tax rates you’d find that the Federal Tax Rate for corporations varies from 0-33%. While there are over 66 country’s that have a flat corporate tax over 20%. If we did that we’d be taxing many more company’s. 33 have a flat tax rate higher than 30%

Also a “fair consumption” tax would not be fair. The poor and the middle class would be the only ones spending money on the things they they need. While the rich wouldn’t pay a damn thing. We have a second state Texas who’s passing a tax break for the rich so they don’t have to pay a cent in sales tax for a Yacht.. But if I buy a rubber dinghy I will pay tax. A progressive tax is needed. I wish that those who think that the US is a Christian nation would actually read the Bible, especially the words of Jesus. Where it says that a rich man will have a hard time getting into heaven.

You are on a roll to day Staci, keep up the “hard” work! How do you like to put it?

~I’m a bitch to everyone and especially to guys. What can I say I’m an
overpriced whore; but I keep it real. Remember to water your lawn if you
know what I mean~

Can somebody tell that muppet Grover that Congress’ pledge and oath to the American people is more important than his!

If tax increases are on the table, then the Dems will have to put Obamacare on the table.  Fair is fair.  

You have no brain.

So does God.

You mean like Nixon who got elected on his “secret” six month plan to end the Vietnam War?
Four years later he ran on the same trick- you know what his secret plan was don’t you? Everyone run like hell to the US Embassy and try to hold on to helos as they took off. Or maybe you mean dumbya and his compassionate conservatism- you remember him laughing at the woman he condemned to death
and snickered at her conversion? Killed Saddam to beat his thin lipped daddy at something in his pathetic life- now he has to stay within our borders or get killed as a war criminal. You mean guys like him?

felix- repeating the same lie for 30 years plus does not make it true. ronnie raygun lied- people died.

a piece of advice for liberal Democrats: stop vilifying the so-called wealthy.
Without them, we would be in an even bigger financial mess. The top one percent
of wage earners pay about 38 percent of all federal income tax. . Painting them as
greedy bastards who don’t care about anybody but themselves, is nothing more
than cheesy class warfare politics, an art form liberal Democrats,
unfortunately, have fine tuned over the years.

 Uh….yeah tragically so.

Norquist’s demagogue act is going to set up some huge problems as the lemmings gain momentum and
even try to drag the rest of us off the cliff.

Yeah…it may not be the Khmer Rouge or the Stalinists but it’s still con artists stampeding the sheep

 Yeah…ain’t it funny how some folks wanna talk about Jesus but are against all he ever said, then claim to be patriots when they have contempt for their fellow Americans and the one thing American they cherish is the dollar?

In fact, Govt Spending….IS JOBS and JOBS..are PAYCHECKS and PAYCHECKS create COMSUMERS and CONSUMERS…..Create RICH people…who then pay tax because, for them, the system works FINE.

The real Economics are DEMAND side and that is why times of our best PROSPERITY were not low tax/low spend…but the opposite.  Nasa,Building the interstate highways,the internet,medical research, building dams,bridges,Universities,boosted the economy.

People having JOBS,security, safety…makes them CONFIDENT and the consumer confidence index is the trigger that lets business sell their wares.   If everyone is scared you get a yard sale economy.
The Teabag party is all about scared,all about demagogues and con artists and sheep who think they have a cause,and instead are part of the problem.

No……robots seem like a good idea in cartoons and all, but you really tire of them if they are running stuff and threatening to wreck the whole economy just because they can. This crap makes the Salem Witch Trials look normal and sane.   Grover Norquist,Glen Beck and some oil speculators conned the suckers.
The trouble with democracy is stupid people vote for stupid things.  Typically….they learn the hard way…briefly wise up,then get lured again with smoke and mirrors.

We are a nation of suckers, so eager to get something for nothing we’re the perfect mark.

Norquist?  Who died and made him God?

I agree.

Sad how BOUGHT our system has become and how easy it is to fool people.  If it is more than a sound bite or a bumper sticker…the sheep tune out.  Image trumps substance,arrogance trumps wisdom.
Smell the money behind all this nonsense.

 Sure….these virtual anarchists  want to be an island….on SOME things then monarchists on others…that’s how the scam works.

Yeah Grover can show us a lot.  He can show us how he enabling the radical arm of Islam to gain a good toe hold in our country.  He can show us how to destroy America.  Grover Norquist shoud be tried for treason.  In answer to you question.  How about Cromwell in England?  Or the Nazis following Hitler?  Allowing any one person this kind of control is very dangerous and fools like you cannot see that.

Fact:  Those entitlements such as Social Security and medicare have been paid for and are being paid for out each American’s paycheck. 
Fact: Corporations pay little to no taxes.  Example: GE
Fact: I will bet I pay more in taxes than you do and I make less than $60,000 per year. 
I will go with changing the tax code  and ditching the present code.  In place, we can put a flat tax.  Everyone pay 20% of all income.  Notice I said all income.  No breaks for capital gains.  No depreciation for corporations.  No deductions for donations of any kind.  You make the money, you pay a flat tax on it.  Also, no offshore accounts.  Corporations make the money, they pay the tax on it.   This seems fair to me.  Everyone would pay on all the income they get, no matter the method of  earnining it. 
Kill the war on drugs and make  all drugs legal.  Set the selling price and tack on a hefty 75% tax. 

Force the sellers or “dealers”, to purchase an agricultural license.  Anyone caught selling without their license would face an automatic jail sentence of say 10 years.  All this seems fair to me and would force everyone to pay their fair share.

Ike…..really?  You’ve gone threw the trouble of such a half thought out post just to toss in a bit of racism at the end to show your true reasons to be against Obama, when we are talking about the anti-tax pledge. 

You again, you do know the reason spending is up is that the wars is added to the budget this time instead of all the emergency spending bills the republicans used to hide how expensive they really was.  If the wars and TARP was added to the budget you  would notice spending has gone down.

A politician that makes a pledge to anyone, ANYONE that supersedes their oath to the country has committed treason.  But that should be no surprise that republican politicians are treasonous.

wake up..they gave that pledge to those that vote for them. that’s why we have 200+ in the house. Different people from different areas with different views for different reasons.. That is America, not treason to it. Treason? Treason to me is removing more freedoms from the people and turning my Republic into a bankrupted socialist nation..while pointing fingers at those trying to save it..that’s treason. Enough is enough!

yup hes a liar for pointing out how much obama has spent since hes been in office  mhmm he isnt responsible for no addition to the debt   please go back to school and learn something about adding

Which is a solid case if advocating feudalism and the Diving Right Of Kings…………or a system where the schoolyard bully or the rancher with the hired guns runs stuff.

The POINT of democracy is to actually have a SOCIETY where the average guy is gonna do okay.
If a few of the very rich,a few of the most aggressive ought to dominate unchecked, get rid of the facade, declare a dictatorship or a monarchy or a corporate aristocracy and skip the whole evolution the USA did over so many generations.

I notice that places in the world where a very small elite hold all the wealth and power…are economic failures while a large, prosperous,optimistic middle class seems concurrent with prosperity.

Virtually every time the Regressives got power they were all about handouts to the greediest,the least ethical of the fat cats…who were their fund source and puppetmasters. Again and again AMERICA got screwed, the poor lost upward mobility, the middle class lost jobs and security, a FEW rich folk got a spurt of wealth yet even so most of the wealthy took a loss as the economy went recession.

If I run a major company, I need across the board prosperity unless my product only sells to millionaires.
If the average family is shopping yard sales…I don’t profit.   I don’t gain from favors done for my least ethical rivals unless I want to also do the wrong thing but skim extra $ doing so.  

Exporting jobs? The SYSTEM got so F***** up that in many markets,nobody has much choice.
It is not feasable to make a TV or a pair of sneakers in the USA. That’s why nobody DOES.  The labor costs in Asia are dirt cheap, there’s little safety or environmental consideration, so boatloads of these items, once BORN here…now come in and the import tax is so minor it does not even offset the local PROPERTY TAX Nike would pay if making shoes in Oregon.  To make shoes in Oregon or Kansas or TVs in Indiana or T-Shirts in N Carolina….you need to charge more and today’s Patriotic American, is content to slap a Flag Sticker on the Honda and think that’s it.

The Operating deficit of the Govt,is one thing. The trade deficit is another and MORE damaging.
When Uncle Sam spends a buck, much of it becomes a PAYCHECK in the USA.
When you or I go to Walmart and buy our STUFF…..most of that $ goes to underpaid labor abroad, with the rest to a few underpaid workers at Walmart, and a big chunk to some of those 1% of the very rich who got to create a system that only benefits them.

History is important.  We won WWII because we made Steel, We built stuff, a LOT of stuff, we had an industrial infrastructure and a workforce.  Post War, we went on an infrastructure binge. We GREW the middle class and opened doors for the poor to move up to middle class and the middle class to get rich.
Universities were built from scratch…not squeezed and starved.  The AVERAGE person was owning a home and raising a family.

All that is gone now.

We can get back SOME of it if we try and do it soon.  Current events are steaming off in the other direction. Shrink and shrivel is not really an answer here, is a bandaid on a lot of self inflicted wounds.

And in need of answers ASAP…we dumb down. In need of action ..YESTERDAY…we get obstruction to things that should be routine operations. We have a looney fringe that is committed to PREVENTING,by any means, getting the country back to prosperity. They WANT damage and decline so they can grab more power…..like rats who want everything to be a vast garbage dump.

Why do guys like you think that if you root for rich people, that you will someday be rich too? This idea is really funny to me. 

I’m more concerned with all the foreign interests that Norquist represents. His loyalty is to them, and his pledge signers have to do what he says. I guess capitulating to foreign interests over domestic isn’t called “treason” anymore…

hmmmm shogan,  your statement doesn’t ring completely true….while I agree there are loopholes that need to be closed explain why so many corporations are leaving this country to make their products “in the rest of the world’? Obama gave GM 500 Million to build a new factory in Mexico.With unemployment at all time highs seems like he would do more to make sure businesses would stay here in this country. Explain why corporations that have it so great in this country are leaving as fast as they can……and if you say its because of cheap labor then you are truly delusional….while  labor may be cheaper, the cost of  training and many other factors do not explain why our American born business are leaving as fast as they can.Corporate business especially small business cannot sustain enough earnings to stay in this country.I just wanted to also say Thank you for your respect in replying to others in a civil manor. We need to set this example for Washington and many others in the country.