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Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski: There Should Be A List Of Very Wealthy Who Do Not Give To Charity

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On Monday morning, Morning Joe hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski were joined by Brzezinski’s father, for National Security Adviser Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, fresh off winning the 2011 Jury Du Prix Tocqueville prize.

In his acceptance speech, as his daughter noted, he opined that the United States is becoming “a country of socially ominous extremes between the few super rich and the increasingly many who are deprived.” One source of the frustration among the American people, as Dr. Brzezinski sees it, is the “mystery” surrounding the way our economic system and the great, instantaneous flow of money works. He believes this frustration, coupled with an increasingly “fragmented” and “powerless” government, will eventually result in an era of worldwide socio-political unrest. Interestingly, he refers to the “Occupy Wall Street” movement — which has spread from lower Manhattan to other cities and counties — as “riots.”

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He also offered an idea on how to apply public pressure to the very wealthiest among us:

You know, I’ve been looking at these worldwide riots that are developing. They’re all a reflection of deep passion, deep resentment and fear. Now the question is “Where will this go? How can this be sort of concretized?” And one thought that has occurred to me — and let me sort of mention it here casually without having really thought it through systematically — I think it would be increasingly helpful if there was a movement to publish, worldwide, lists of who make, largely through speculation, enormous amounts of money almost instantly, and basically hide the fact from their social context. You know, how many Americans are really fully aware of how many other good people, let’s say like Warren Buffett and others, who really donate a lot of their earnings to charities, to philanthropy? But how many more are there in the hedge funds, in the banks, in a variety of other places, who, on the basis of speculation, literally make millions of dollars that would take a century or two for the average person ever to make? I’d like to see those lists. And they shouldn’t be that difficult to produce.

It’s funny how we’ve all grown up with the concept of “giving back,” perhaps without fully realizing the implication of that term. Give back? To whom? Does this mean that one’s earnings are forever borrowed and never really one’s own? That one’s wealth belongs, ultimately, to the community in which it was cultivated?

Have a look, courtesy of MSNBC. Dr. Brzezinki’s comments about the list occur around the 5:16 mark:

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  • Mamma Grizzly

    I don’t know whether I agree with Dr. Brzezinki on this one, but he is unquestionably one of the best observers in American politics. He was saying a year ago on Morning Joe there would be social unrest in the streets due to the massive social immobility and income inequality. It was just a matter of time. I take this man’s observations seriously now.

  • SNAPTIE 53% taxpayers vs 99%R

    Lets put Sean Penn and Michael Moore’s name right at the top.

  • Anonymous

    You see here where Mika got her intellect .

  • Anonymous

     I would take Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski more seriously if his suit didn’t have sleeves .

  • Anonymous

    Mika’s pop is on all the time .

    When does Joe’s mama show up ?

  • http://www.storminsmorningjava.blogspot.com/ stormin1961

    that’s the kind of stupidity you would expect from someone in the Carter administration.

  • Anonymous

    I can save you the trouble. Just make the list of all millionaires that vote democrat

  • http://www.facebook.com/frank.st.clair Frank St Clair

    Of course. Let’s have the government post lists. And lists of what churches we go to, and books we read, yes, Chairman, I like lists. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VYUK3HIJFCPFBZUHRHN6HCR5AA MarkfromSavannah

    rockafeller – stole my thunder.  Was just about to suggest that a list like this would be impossible as there would too many damn liberals and democrats right at the top!

    The whole ‘list’ thing is kind of creepy in of itself.  How many more lists can we come up with?

    People who don’t recycle regularly

    Folks who drive SUVs

    No, nothing good to come of this suggestion.

  • Michelle

    You don’t know if you agree with him?  Wow!

    ps, Glenn Beck predicted it too. 

  • Michelle

    Well, since Conservatives give more of their OWN money to charity, I guess the liberals should be the ones to worry here. 

  • Anonymous

    I was thinking the exact same thing.  It’s terrifying.

    And, it’s peculiar that this particular idea comes from a man whose native country was ravaged by the kind of oppressive government that did just that:  create lists, and lists and lists of enemies and undesirable or non-conforming citizens.

  • Funny stuff

    But its not class warfare people. Does it get any better then this.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Mamma Grizzly is one of those people who think deeply, not intimidated by complexity and nuance, who act passionately and  decisively when they have developed a full understanding. You are not. Clearly.

  • Anonymous

    Mmm…I better get a check in the mail.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    BS, I call “BS!,” you disingenuous poll dancing nincompoop.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Not from your blog, that’s for sure.

  • Anonymous

    Lists are one thing which I think is just crazy, no one is required to give to charities. People give because they chose to give. What about people who have little money but give their time and energy, should they be discounted? 

  • Michelle

    Scarborough on Rome Riots: Occupy Wall Street ‘Creating New Jobs’ By Forcing Rebuilding of Damaged Property
    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/10/17/scarborough-rome-riots-occupy-wall-street-creating-new-jobs-forcing-r#ixzz1b3MMPJuWSo this is the new liberal jobs plan?  Destroy property so you have to hire people to rebuild it?  Sounds like a winning strategy! 

  • JimR

    ROTF!  Great!
    It just stand to reason the Republicans are going to contribute more.
    Most of us have jobs!
    Do you expect the Dims to cash the check each month and give very much of it back??
    C’mon!!!!

  • Dave

    You must be crazy…a Former Jimmy Carter Failure…I really want to listen and learn from him…

  • Michelle

    Why don’t you try researching that before you embarrass yourself more than you already have, Royal Dimwit.

  • Anonymous

    I really like this man and think he is brilliant but I would add to this idea that there should be lists of who gives what to what charity among the wealthy because that would speak volumes just as much as those who do not give anything to anybody.

    Also,people do or don’t do things for many reasons.If you’re going to have an infamatory list like this you must have some ability for people to explain themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Robert has been raging all morning since he caught BFD going through his lingerie drawer at 6:00 am .

  • Anonymous

    Robert not known as the Ellie Light of Austin for nothing .

    Look it up .

  • Michelle

    Please explain to me what right you have to know how much of their OWN money someone gives to charity?  Do I think you should give to charity?  Yes and I do as much as I can, but it’s no ones business how much I give and to who.  Good grief, I feel like I went to bed in American and woke in in Communist Russia!!

  • DEFENDER-90

    List have a bad history. Many people have died because of list.

    Ask thes people

    Russians
    Germans
    Chinese
    Cubans
    And many more.
      

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WH3ZLMM7CUKUHUIMK4TKXW6SQE John

    How are we to decide who is rich and who is not.  How are we to decide how much “charity” these people are supposed to give.  How are we to decide was is charitable giving?  What if someone feels more charitable when they create jobs and nice buildings compared to just cutting a check to some organization?

    What Dr. Brzezinksi is proposing should send chills down your spine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    Create a list of wealthy people who don’t give to charity?

    How about minding your ownfucking business. You’re not entitled to information about someone’s financial status even if they are wealthy. Funny how privacy and civil liberties get thrown out the window for Progressives and Socialists when it’s not the privacy and civil liberties of their protected class.

  • Chayal Boded

    Tell me this guy doesn’t look and sound like a Count Dracula type, and a raving blood-thirsty blood sucker as well.

  • Anonymous

    “Giving back” is just another liberal slogan. They are big on slogans. I saw a college student loser at the NY OWS say they are there for “Social Justice”. Yep, just another liberal slogan.

  • DEFENDER-90

    More like Cmmissar Strelnikov from Doctor Zhivago. 

  • Michelle

    It does send chills down the spines of freedom loving people.

  • Deandre Cole

    Makes sense. ZB was a supporter of lists back in wartime Poland. He’ll be looking for Jewish names on the list.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431811538 Josh Kim

    Tell me, what was it that he said that was so stupid?

    The “old money” families in America never flaunted their wealth. Like the Roosevelts and the Bush family. They believed they owed a responsibility to the public. 

    Dr. Brzezinski said he wants public pressure put on the rich to donate more and to be more responsible. What is stupid about that? It seems like it’d be a better alternative to raising taxes by law.

    In any case, this man has had a high perch from which to observe humanity on a global scale. You can disagree with him, but I doubt he’s speaking out of ignorance.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    “Newsbusters!: Liars Drawn to Lies, Trash Drawn to Trash, Since 2005!”

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Nixon’s Enemies List.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    How would you know? Have you been transported out of Utah recently?

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I think it’s a poor idea, but I do enjoy seeing all the Teapublicans Trolls here at Mediaite who have never shown the slightest interest in liberty and freedom wetting themselves over this. I’m thinking something lurks behind their shrill, frantic protestations.

  • Anonymous

    President Greyhound adding to his enemies list as he rides the campaign bus in N.C.

    He would like to show up at Occupy Asheville with a bullhorn to go after “the man” .

    Wait till they wise up and turn on him .

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Sir Thomas Courtenay. A great actor. “The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner.” Fabulous! 

  • SNAPTIE 53% taxpayers vs 99%R
  • DEFENDER-90

    Who died on the enemies list? It was bad, who died? 

  • Anonymous

     Robert prefers to read his Cher fan magazines and Hair Curler Monthly to get the truth !

  • Funny stuff

    So as long as the idea pisses people off who you don’t like your fine with this statement from Brzezinski. Wow that really says a hell of a lot of yourself. One sad person.

  • Go Navy

    “Dr. Brzezinski said he wants public pressure put on the rich to donate more and to be more responsible. What is stupid about that?”

    I guess it’s how you define donate. LMAO!

  • Go Navy

    You really don’t know much do you?

  • Anonymous

    ANYONE with a perspective on social history and politics saw this coming, you utter simpleton fool!

    It’s still amazing how you TeaBagger Death Cult members bestow accolades on your Dear Leader Chicken Little Beck!

    HILARIOUS! 

  • Anonymous

    After reading Mr.Brzezinski’s remarks, it makes you wonder what part of Never Never Land he lives in? He’s certainly not on this planet!

  • Go Navy
  • Go Navy

    BWAAAAAA, the queen of shrill, calling someone else shrill.  You just can’t make this shit up.

  • Michelle

    Well I only brought up Beck, because mama grizzly said Mr. Mika is so brilliant for predicting it.  Just pointing out he wasn’t the only one, simpleton. 

  • TruDat

    I hereby donate one set of sleeves to Mika Brzenzinski.

  • Wissm

    We don’t want to have class warfare, but we want a list of wealthy people…We talk about folks that make money speculating, but how ’bout when they lose? Does the speculating keep the money working for opportunities???  I chose to work for someone else rather than commit to the effort to put my own ideas, effort, and finances into a business, but I speculate by buying life insurance and 401K and other investments, and I am certainly not as welthy as Mr. “B”, but it should be my choice where to donate, or not!! without pressure.

  • http://www.storminsmorningjava.blogspot.com/ stormin1961

    i don’t think ZB is going to like the fact that his fellow liberals are going to dominate that list of his … http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/07/dataset-of-the-day-who-is-more-generous-republicans-or-democrats/

    another fact worth noting is that according to The Hills 50 wealthiest list Democrats beat Republicans 52-48, with 7 democrats in the top 10 … http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/116491-the-hills-50-wealthiest-list-slideshow?page=1#comments

  • Anonymous

    and here I thought the sleeves police was on vacation

  • Anonymous

    and, in addition, publish a list of the government leeches who suck off the taxpayers in this country year after year, generation after generation.  that list shouldn’t be hard to publish.  it would just be realllly long.

  • Anonymous

    EAT THE RICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Up twinkles for the OWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Woooooohooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    He predicted caliphate and the world will end.  

  • Holistic

    I don’t think Ziggie want to go there. Joe Biden may be at the top along with many other Democrats!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431811538 Josh Kim

    I don’t think ZB mentioned Republicans in this segment. I can go back to the transcripts. As one OWS supporter said to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, it’s not about party vs party.

  • Michelle

    And what is happening in Egypt now, moron?

  • Michelle

    Darn, I was kind of hoping one of you loony libs would respond so I could understand your thought process.  I’m not surprised you don’t want to touch it though. 

  • Denbruwes

    A prediction or his he the puppet master???

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TX3MXXPF52BXCKGNLDNPADILPQ paul rogers

    Ah yes, just like Joe Mccarthy and chairman Mao, let’s make a list of people who need to be punished by the government.  Tht always ends well.

  • TruDat

    Clearly, thinking is not your forte.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YIHUVVI53ZZ6MOIGHTN6IPC2O4 jeffscott_us

    Why don’t we just tattoo the rich, Mr. Brzezinski?…the Nazis used that method to identify the Jews…maybe a ‘$’ would be appropriate…

  • Nancillarypeloslinton

    The Nazis used to require Jews to wear the Star of David.

  • http://twitter.com/supertx Michelle

    And will Mr. Brzezinski also require amending taxes so that his favorite “philanthropists” like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet will no longer get tax deductions from pouring money into foundations? Foundations that fund all of their favorite causes worldwide? It enables them to manipulate things globally at the expense of the taxpayer.

  • Nancillarypeloslinton

    Obama-garglers don’t quite seem to get that the military is predominantly conservative. We’re the ones getting Osama Bin Laden, killing thousands of Raghead Jihadis and other activities that Obama-garglers such as yourself take for granted when you’re having a little fit here on Mediaite. Nope, the Tea Partiers/Conservatives, we’re the one putting our keesters on the line for Freedom and Liberty. Now just STFU Punk!

  • Nancillarypeloslinton

    Guess that means Mika (she makes a ton of money on Propagandist MSNBC) and ZBig are going on the list also. Always make sure of what you wish for.

  • Anonymous

    I guess the brilliant “dr.” doesn’t understand “charitable” and wants to change it to “tax”.

    Love the look on Mika’s face when Dad’s on.  She gets wee wee scared. (she herself has said so).
    Meanwhile Dad knowingly smiles and says “there but for the grace of me, goes Mika”.

  • Anonymous

    I guess they’re here for the same reason.  hmmm

  • Anonymous

    please stop.  It’s time for you to grow up.  The saddest part is you have 3 others liking your comment.  Indicative that you four have adult issues.  

    Now, stay on topic or just sit on your hands if you can’t act and post responsibly.  You have no idea how old and lame your posts have gotten.  Even the most severely mentally handicapped has managed to figure them out – move on.

  • Anonymous

    or you could just move to Cuba.

  • Anonymous

    I think we’re all speechless that someone would think this is a “good idea”.  It’s beyond the realm of anyone living in a “free Country”.  

    Perhaps the good Dr. is exhibiting signs of mental deterioration.  I never have agreed with him, but I always thought that he exhibited an above average level of intelligence.  Guess I was wrong.

  • Anonymous

    You’re just a brainless Beck follower that has no clue what’s going on in Egypt.  

  • Anonymous

    He “knew” about the “protesting” (that is likely to be “rioting” if things go according to the Grand Plan) because he is part of the creators/instigators/financiers (his version of donating to “charity”).

  • Anonymous

    Since her statement was proven to be true, I would imagine you’re big enough to apologize for your “misinformed, derisive prevarication and name calling”, after all you claim to be a Christian gentleman, right?

  • Rex the Wonder God

    How disturbing it is for this clip to be preceded by an ad for Phoeny University. I’m not suggesting that the rich are willfully oblivious, but yes, they are.

  • Bob Uda

    Zbigniew’s suggestion sounds like one from a typical communist czar.  He and Soros make a sorry pair of subversives.

  • Anonymous

    I do like Biden’s record – .3% – not even 3 but .3!  The man has a heart as big as….as big as….
    o.k. wrong example. lol

  • Anonymous

    The problem is what is defined as “charity”. Those folks have lots of “foundations” that pay for their political agendas. Are those “charities”? The government lets them get away with those foundations not paying taxes, but the problem is their agendas (as with the “charities” that Soros gives to)

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry to inform you, but that was a completely “marxist” comment the good Dr. made.  So if he’s not ignorant, what might you call his statement?

  • Anonymous

    so did beck – he just gave a different reason.  

  • Anonymous

    in other words – she ignores facts?  

  • Anonymous

    No. You brought it up because Chicken Little Beck is where you get the majority of you idiotic ideas.

    You deserve your miserable life of fear with your Dear Leader!

    Resistance is Futile!

  • TruDat

    Daddy, all I want for Christmas is a pair of sleeves, a pair of sleeves, a pair of sleeves.

  • Anonymous

    does that make it any less inflammatory?  Don’t care who he was referring to.  

  • Mary444

    Ziggy always really loved the old Soviet Union and keeps some their ideas in his insane head yet.

  • Paulpaul

    Zig might find his sons & daughters on that list of non-contributors.  Might?  He will.  That family is the cheapest when it comes to helping anyone else there is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431811538 Josh Kim

    I was responding to stormin’s brining in the Democrats vs. Republicans meme.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431811538 Josh Kim

    Actually, Dr. Brzenski was being pretty moderate. He’s been espousing the traditional Socialist, not the abolition of private property, but the assurance that the income disparity not become so wide.

  • Anonymous

    What’s happening in Egypt is something that Brzezinski failed to predict: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mikas-dad-zbigniew-brzezinski-tells-morning-joe-obama-didnt-really-blow-it-on-egypt/

    “We don’t know how this is going to turn out, so let’s be very careful whether it’s a triumph or a massive setback. We just don’t know.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-coptic-church-decries-attacks-christians-140330531.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/world/middleeast/egypt-attempts-to-calm-uproar-over-coptic-deaths.html?_r=1

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you.  Based on the fact that he lived, witnessed and was kept from his
    home in Poland by the Nazi’s, I would think he would recognize that
    publishing a list of the rich people’s names is absolutely insane.  I guess he wants them to wear an arm band too?  Do we really want people to judge
    their neighbor who is on the list and make assumptions about how they
    spend their money?  How about we add to the list who owns more than one
    home, how many kids they have, who has the highest air conditioning
    bills, takes too many flights, etc. so that we can “shame” or “target”
    them.  We would never print a list of who gets the most welfare, food
    stamps, housing subsidy’s or print citizenship records so why would we
    do this?  I know, how about publishing the list of the 47% who don’t pay
    taxes?  It is none of his or our business how much money people make or how
    they spend it or how much they give to charity.  We don’t need to
    revisit those tactics and target people based on ANYTHING,
    including their wealth or lack thereof.  

  • Anonymous

     Ok, Joe Biden isn’t a million..And his net worth doesn’t even approach a million dollars. Which is kind of embarrassing since he has made good money for the last 30 years. Well, maybe he has given a lot to charity.  Well, between 1999 to 2008 he has made between 136,700 and 169, 300 and gave an average of $369 per year during that time. Wow, I make far less than that and my net worth is more than his and I gave a lot more money than he did to charities.

    In 2009 he did a little better…he and his wife made $333,000 and gave 4,820 (1.44%) Probably spring cleaning and gave a bunch a junk to Goodwill with inflated value. Who knows.

    http://www.ihatethemedia.com/joe-biden-charitable-donations

    http://www.thousandaire.com/blog/joe-bidens-net-worth-is-embarrassing/

    I think he’s been investing in worthless green energy companies. That’s the only way I can explain it.

  • Anonymous

    Problem is, they’ll hire illegal aliens!!

  • Anonymous

    Who the hells business is it, about how much, or who is contributing to charity?! When the hell did you start thinking you had a right to know the private business of a private-citizen, was any of your damned business in the first place?!! Is that something Obimbo told you?!

  • http://www.facebook.com/michma Michelle OccupyTogether Manos

    Those who are unable to support their statements with facts often resort to personal attacks like “moron” or “simpleton.”  The more a person resorts to these tactics, the less good information they usually have to back up their statements. 

    This is a tactic used by the Beckster all the time.  Don’t entertain Michelle, 99% of Americans know that Beck and his followers are a cult fringe who should not ever be taken seriously (unless he again attempts to incite violence, then he should be charged).

  • Anonymous

    I hope your not thinking the 99%ers will do it. That would be tantamount to cutting off their own heads….hey, wait, knowing the combined IQ of the OWS movement, you could be right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michma Michelle OccupyTogether Manos

    If things go according to plan, we will get the special interest money out of out political system so that candidates are forced to run on who they are and not how much money they can raise.  That way legislators will be free to address Wall Street regulation, taxes, the environment, poverty, and a whole host of other issues without fear of losing their campaign donations.

    THAT is the mission.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WH3ZLMM7CUKUHUIMK4TKXW6SQE John

    The “rich” are hoarding all the gold.  We should put those rats on a list.  Sounds like a good idea.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michma Michelle OccupyTogether Manos

    You’re a “Liberty Hound” who thinks green energy is worthless?  So liberty from countries that would like to see us dead is not on your radar?

  • http://www.facebook.com/michma Michelle OccupyTogether Manos

    I’m supposed to believe Conservapedia??? Lmao…

  • Anonymous

    Do ya’ remember the old adage, “charity begins at home”? It still applies. No one should be asked to give to charity, more than they can afford, and no one should be shamed into giving support to those that won’t help themselves. What anyone gives to charity is no one Else’s business…. ever!

  • Anonymous

    Freely Giving, is not what they mean. FORCIBLY GIVING, is what they want!

  • Anonymous

    Put me on that…LIST!

  • Anonymous

    Michelle-In-Utah finally a real post!  I am so proud of you.  Ahhh the words don’t seem like anything that usually comes out of your mouth.  Did you copy and paste this????

  • Anonymous

    Michelle-In-Utah finally a real post!  I am so proud of you.  Ahhh the words don’t seem like anything that usually comes out of your mouth.  Did you copy and paste this????

  • Anonymous

    Brzezinski (both of them) are Jew hating closet Nazis. No wonder Mika is such a moron. That apple didn’t fall far from the tree.

  • PrezOworst

    sorry the unclean, Dr Brzezinki is the problem  Liberal globalists who appears grandfatherly.  This guy is the New World Order if there is one. Him, Carter, Soros are some of the main characters behind the scenes.  The of course there is his dumb azz daughter on Morning Joe.

  • PrezOworst

    lives in her own alternate warm and fuzzy reality.  LIBERALS.   Good for her bad for us.

  • PrezOworst

    the phony Arab Spring was planned by him, Carter, Soros and other globalists liberal loons.

  • PrezOworst

    Right blacks in Libya are being persecuted and tortured.  Yeah for Obama’s friends and policies.

  • PrezOworst

    fork tongues like his say many things to conceal the truth.

  • PrezOworst

    The show is a liberal only club with a talking parrot Joe.

  • PrezOworst

    I live less than a mile from Biden .  His current house he got a real good “deal” on from a Banker years ago.  A real good deal….. and the property next door (like Obama remember)

  • http://twitter.com/criticaljane Jane

    Let’s start a charity called “We’ll Pay Mika To Go Away”.      

  • PrezOworst

    Soros had the same background.  Apparantly for them the only way to keep in check countries is to be a globalists and a socialists.

  • PrezOworst

    I remember something in the past about countries who kept lists. 

  • Anonymous

    Why stop there? Why not make them wear little gold six-sided stars on their clothing? Or upside down pink triangles? Or dollar signs?

    And the leftist march to the death camps continues.

  • PrezOworst

    liberals are not as charitable thats way the believe Big Gov should be doing it all.  Well Libs are big on Gay, no meat and no fur charaties.

  • PrezOworst

    that would depend on if your a 53% or not.

  • PrezOworst

    that would depend on if your a 53% or not.

  • PrezOworst

    Beck who?  The only empty heads I see on Tv are the Morning Joes sitting in a liberal circle…….

  • Cecelia

    I heard that comment this morning on XM and found it rather shocking.

    I understand that Dr. Big is advocating  peer pressure and I think that’s age-old and effective societal dynamic that generally works for the good.   I was dismayed at his wanting some sort  of “list”. 

    I think he just got carried away with himself frankly.  That comment (along with casting everyone but the super rich as being deprived) was just the spirit of the moment.

  • Miljanamandich

    ‘an increasingly “fragmented” and “powerless” government’??? What planet is he living on?

  • Miljanamandich

    Somebody on Nixon’s list was killed? Really?

  • Anonymous

    So, you’re going to Wall Street to ask, “please don’t contribute to campaigns and BRIBE candidates” instead of going  to Washington to protest that O’Bummer and Congress find the bribery just fine? If not,then  OCCUPY WASHINGTON!@

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t say green energy is worthless. I said ” I think he’s been investing in worthless green energy companies.” With the keyword being “companies”..You know, like that solar panel company the administration blew a 1/2 billion dollars on.  I was just speculating that Biden most have made some bad investment to have accumulated so little wealth over the past 30 years given how much he has earned.

    Besides this was a blog on the rich contributing to charities…not energy independence. But since you responded in the way you did I will tell how a feel about energy independence.

    I would love to get off the dependence of foreign oil from countries that are not our friends. Heck, I own a hybrid SUV, but not because it’s green. I got it as one of my contributions to getting off foreign oil.  But for the majority of us, especially the poor, alternative energy is too expensive and currently not a good investment. When someone buys a fully electric car there is about a 50-50 chance they are plugged in to a coal burning plant. Also they are very expensive even after you take into account current gas prices.

    I actually checked this out… I have a modest 1300 sq. ft. home. I currently use on average $80 a month on electricity and another $30 on average for nature gas for heating and hot water. So I called a local company to give me a estimate on replacing both with solar panels. If I don’t use the roof for the panels they would have to take up over half of my back yard, and at a cost of around $25K. But, between the state and federal government I would receive around $16k in tax subsidies leaving me only to pay $9k. That $9k is almost worth it. It would take me almost 6 years to pay off from the savings but I would have to maintain them and for the land I would no longer have use of and I would have to replace them in 25 to 30 years.  Plus, I have a problem with sticking a $16,000 bill to my fellow tax payers.

    Another example; ethanol from corn cost more in energy than it provides and it causes corn prices to increase globally making it again hard on the poor all over the world.

    I’m all for reusable energy sources and I’m for drilling in the Gulf and Alaska and tapping into shell oil and all our sources of natural gas. But right now so-called green energy is a not a good investment. For some speculators that have lots and lots of money there are “some” promising ideas but even those are a long shot and are long term investments and currently still need to be subsidized.

    Oh, and by the way. I don’t subscribe to the AGW crowd. If the cap and trade bill had passed into law our economy would not have survived that below.

    There is a large faction of extreme environmentalist that would have no problem taking us and others back to the stone ages if it meant a so called cleaner Earth. But then we’ll all be back to burning wood for our primary energy.

    Sorry for any typos in advance.

  • Anonymous

    Well, its a good thing they aren’t corrupt. ;)

  • Hyperbolic Chalkboard

    It can be disputed but the Dems and Repubs will do nothing to get rid of this debt….this is coming from from a liberal-leaning libertarian…VOTE RON PAUL!!!

  • Anonymous

    THOSE EVIL RICH PEOPLE

    Forbes Top 100, reveals that 60% of the richest people in America are Democrats.

    In the top 20 groupe, Democrats have a combined net worth of $263.1 billion dollars.
    Republicans have a combined net worth of $143.9 dollars.
    Democrats are a lot more stingy with their money. Republicans coughed up $5.2 million. Democrats gave only gave $2.1 million. 
    The next time you hear some liberal freak try the rich people rhetoric, remind them that it is the Democrats who are those evil rich people.

  • Anonymous

    Obama is on track to raise $1 billion dollars in campaign funds.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll bet he didn’t invest his money in Solyndra or Sun Power. Sun power’s equipment is made in Mexico and it  is in financial trouble also. George Bush was warned about the solar companies and refused to invest the tax payers money in a flawed business but, Obama went ahead with it even after he was warned. Hey, it wasn’t his money, he doesn’t care.

  • Anonymous

    Green energy is good but, it’s time has not come yet. Let private industry develope it, they can do it cheaper, faster and more efficent than the government. There are many forms of clean energy but, they are not perfected in this country yet. Electro magnetic drive seems to be more promising than the present electric, hydrogen or natural gas cars.Geo thermal is also promising for heating & cooling homes. The water & air is much cleaner now than it was in the 40′s, 50′s & 60′s. We are making progress but, it come over night. 

  • Anonymous

     ”We have the most corrupt government in the history of America.”

    I know and it’s sad.

  • NeverWrong

    Why don’t all you f*ing LSD/PMSnbc Socialist Commies take your Socialist crap to some 3rd World country where you might get some who’ll kiss your asses. It figures that Joe Blowhard and Mika Airhead would stand beside a Jimmy Carter Socialist who also happens to be her dad. And take them dirty ass Wall St. Occupiers with you to Cuba, Venzie, Africa or ???…just get the hell out of OUR country. Shut LSD/PMSnbc down since it is obvious al Qaeda is running things at 30 Rock.

  • Anonymous

    Hey MSNBC, since wearing a yellow Star of David is “so yesterday,” why don’t you make the rich people of today wear a green dollar sign on their clothes!

    I’m sure Brzezinski would have been a real hit with some of his fellow Poles back in the 30s and 40s. 

    You know, they had six of those “wonderful camps” in Poland for some of those ”other people” some wanted to have pointed out!

    Some of today’s liberals are truly scary people!  

    Of course all of those on MSNBC

  • demec

    Relax the guy was born in a comunist country was brought up in a comunist country than “escaped” and found himself in the USA. He cannot divorce himself from the comunist ideas they have brainwashed him with. So all of you American from the right and from the so called “left” have allowed the comunism to be imported in your country by allowing these guys and there are plenty others ,( remember the one who surrendered the Americans to the Vietcongs in Paris?) to come in and infect the environment. So Glen Beck or whatever cannot help you anymore just let it go you don’t have to worry for Beck.

  • demec

    really? you object to personal attacks….. where are you coming from?

  • demec

    Michelle you are going to awake up one day in Comunist USA, the mistake is simple you let all the comunist intelligentsia “scam” from the comunist countries in the sixties and seventies to get into the country without any checks.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YJOFCUW4S62AICSGYG562VMHZY Marje

    It’s called paying it forward. It’s a contribution to the welfare of the country that made it possible for these guys to get filthy rich. In Russia do you think some of these folks would get to the penthouse on Park Ave.? I seriously doubt it. Paying it forward is a way of keeping this country great instead of turning it all into one big national plantation of slaves and aristocrats. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YJOFCUW4S62AICSGYG562VMHZY Marje

    And the Kocks.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YJOFCUW4S62AICSGYG562VMHZY Marje

    Hmmm…..and if one of your friends in banking were able to get you a good deal on a house, your would turn it down? Just wondering……
    My house was a “good deal” because the owner died and all the relatives were in another state and just wanted to get out from under dealing with a place they didn’t plan to use. I should have turned down this ‘good deal,’ you think? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YJOFCUW4S62AICSGYG562VMHZY Marje

    I guess so, marineangler.
     It was corruption when the railroads got free land from the govt and sold it off at a profit for townsites to support their need for customers. It was corruption when the taxpayers financed the interstate highway system so that GM could sell lots of trucks and put the trains out of business. It was corruption when the TVA wired all those houses in the south for, gasp, that boondoogle called electricity. It was corruption when the government financed nuclear for bombs that turned out to be a road to nuke for powering your PC? Corruption when the govt financed smallpox vaccine research.Oh, he11, why bother. Shortsightedness is the bragging rights characteristic of this century.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YJOFCUW4S62AICSGYG562VMHZY Marje

    Congress is creating the lists. Want to see change, then tell your congressperson. Y’all seem to think Obama rules. Not so. He is at the mercy of congress and since you don’t get this, i have to think twice about paying any attention to your whining.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YJOFCUW4S62AICSGYG562VMHZY Marje

    shame and targeting? you guys could give him lessons on how to do that. You look like the experts.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YJOFCUW4S62AICSGYG562VMHZY Marje

    Republican plans for total domination  send chills down my spine. And they are well on the way to achieving their goal. 

  • Anonymous

    Liberals like Michelle dont understand how the system works. They ignore the fact that only government can take wealth away from Americans. Wall St has done nothing to steal money from anyone.

    They just continue to bury their heads in the sand.

  • Anonymous

    They pay it back by paying TAXES. Pay it forward to who? The Top 10% already pay 70% of all taxes and 47% of Americans dont pay ANY income taxes… and you want them to pay it forward? How about everyone else start sharing in the sacrifice?? The ones who dont put their money on the line to create jobs, the ones who dont lose millions of dollars in a weekend investing in new businesses, who just go to work and enjoy their weekends while the rich are still working their 70 hour work week?

    You need to stop being naive and get out in the real world.

  • Anonymous

    He is far from moderate. Good grief… world wide lists?? Sort of the the lists in Nazi Germany?

  • Go Navy

    umm…donations are just that, donations.  You want more? lobby for more taxes. You can’t make people, corporations “donate” more.  You can take more at the end of a gun.  Paying it forward was a movie, this is real life.

  • Jab45cav

    Michelle Occupy,

    You are very naive to believe that money and cronyism can every be “taken out of politics”.
    If you want a modified communistic system so badly – have you not studied the Soviet Union as currently constructed?  Corruption is rampant and individual liberty (i.e. accumulation of wealth) is allowed to exist – however; only when you are politically “connected” to the politicians.  You know – kind of like Warren Buffet would be under this insane proposition by Brzesinkski.  There is a reason why in history most governments are run by dictators and kings – its because people like you are afraid of liberty and being held responsible for their own choices and direction.  It’s much easier to be taken care of from cradle to birth.  What a nice gift for the future generations, huh?

  • Anonymous

     Personal attacks serve only to underscore your lack of fact. Try sticking to the issue, using factual information, and present it in an adult manner.

  • Anonymous

    You would do well by paying attention to what’s happening in this country. Our culture, laws, sovereignty, and sanctity of legal citizenship are quickly slipping away.

  • Anonymous

    Using the term,”Beckster” in addressing people is a form of personal attack in itself. That’s called hypocrisy!

  • Anonymous

    Your suggesting force, that’s what’s wrong with your ideology. How much, and to what charity anyone gives money to is no wons business! What the hell makes you think they should donate anything?! That’s a private….get it, PRIVATE decision PRIVATE-CITIZENS make!! What part of, “NON OF YOUR BUSINESS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND”?!!

  • Anonymous

    Paying it forward is done by creating businesses, hiring people, creating a payroll, that benefits all. What it’s not is, contributing to the parasites who think they are owed something for doing nothing! We now have a two-class system, those that pay taxes, and those that consume them. When nearly 50% of the population is not paying taxes, the obvious should be staring you in the face! Apparently it’s not!!

  • Marcel

    yes, yes  I wahnt to see ze list;    zen off to ze gazz chamber and poof!   up in smoke

  • Anonymous

    Anyone that promoted the ideology of “share the wealth” is a SOCIALIST! That is the very definition of socialism!

  • Marcel

    yes, yes  I wahnt to see ze list;    zen off to ze gazz chamber and poof!   up in smoke

  • Anonymous

    You must have not been paying attention for the last 30 years.  Our economic stability and our rights have been slipping away for a long time.  

  • Anonymous

    Knowing Joe, he describes it as “a big f-ing deal” when he’s not aware the microphones are on.

  • Anonymous

    Solar power and wind is not reliable or cost effective as T. Boon found that out after investing millions of dollars in his wind farm and couldn’t make a profit. Natural gas is more promising in the short term and is plentiful and readily available and can be used in internal combustion engines and for heating homes. Geo-thermal  is another promising source of energy for structures, which is already in limited use. Electric, hydrogen and hi- bird vehicles are very expensive and are mileage limited. Any car can be converted to use natural gas for less than $5,000. The most promising energy source is electro- magnetic drive which has already been proven on trains in Europe, Asia and on our new aircraftcarrier.Get government, socialist and antiquated regulations out of the way and see how fast our country recovers and advances.

  • Anonymous

    Brzezinski is the “genius” behind Jimmy Carter’s decision to turn our ally, Iran, over to Ayatollah Khomeni. He is an absolute moron with the blood of thousands on his hand.  American soldiers are dieing today because of the abysmal ignorance of this leftist toad.

    I am not a fan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-McPherson/100000164694344 David McPherson

    So, we should make a list of the rich, like John Kerry, Soros, Pelosi…etc (have to be on the list just to be fair) Then what? Give the list to whom? What should we do then, maybe make the rich wear green stars on thier clothes so we would know they were rich? Maybe brand them on the forehead with and “R”? Ther are two kinds of people, those that will work and make it on their own and those that will never make it because they are told by people like this that it’s not their fault, they deserve a hand out.
    Were would you like to stop, with $250,000/ year? $100,000/year? Maybe $50,000/year? Who decises who is “rich” Me? You? The government? Do you really think we should persecute someone just because they have money? How much do YOU give back? I don’t see the Buffets or the Soros’ giving back much? Here it is, YOU decide….what will we do with the rich, mein fruer?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-McPherson/100000164694344 David McPherson

    As I posted above, make them wear green stars or tatoo the amount the are worth on their arms…. that will teach them, dirty rich people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-McPherson/100000164694344 David McPherson

    As I posted above, make them wear green stars or tatoo the amount the are worth on their arms…. that will teach them, dirty rich people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-McPherson/100000164694344 David McPherson

    As oppossed to you and your assclown liberals that said the same thing? Shall we fight over who said it first? This shows the stupidity of the liberal, they can’t defend against it with facts, so they name call.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-McPherson/100000164694344 David McPherson

    didn’t YOUR dear leader obummer, tell us that the muslim brotherhood would not be a problem in Egypt? And isn’t it they who are taking over there? You liberls are always quick to accuss but too slow to see. Whne the mobs come for you because you have a TV and they don’t, what then?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-McPherson/100000164694344 David McPherson

    You mean like Oberman and Madcow, and others on msnbc? How many times have these people called Beck stupid, fat, a liar,etc,etc,etc. How amny times have they called ALL the tea party people, stupid, crazy, violent, racists? If any one needs their facts straighten, it’s you. I’ll say to you the same thing I’ve said all along, give me facts….prove Beck lied…about anything, with facts not just a parroted comment from some looser on msnbc

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-McPherson/100000164694344 David McPherson

    This is why we need term limits for them to. So they won’t have to “worry” about loosing there jobs. Even so, I think they worry more about loosing because of the power they would loose, not out of concern for the people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sukie-Tawdry/100000706973113 Sukie Tawdry

    Well, we can certainly see why Mika’s dad was such a key member of the highly successful Carter administration.

  • Anonymous

    Put your head back up your ass!

    It was doing a much better job there!

  • Brogers

    Hey Ziggy — Sen McCarthy wanted to keep lists too – you’re in a very special group!

  • Anonymous

    Joe Scarborough, and plagiarist Mike Barnicle, and airhead-nepotitic Queen Mika Brzezinski, all collecting hefty paychecks, have been chanting about those awful ‘rich’ people, day in and day out.
    Big surprise that slitty eyed Zbigniew Brzezinski would chant the same thing.
    All the while scarecrow Zbigniew hustling another one of his books.
    I think Scarborough, Barnicle and both Brzezinski’s should be the first on the list.

  • truthteller

    Z-Big’s suggestion tries insidiously to shift the focus of Occupy Wall Street’s wrath away from the actual culprits, the oligarchy running the giant banking conglomerate and dictating disastrous US financial policy through the banks’ own personal enforcement arm, the FED.

    And he says CHARITY should be the issue??? God save us ALL from the “charity” of the rich, which is how they buy off individuals, politicians, and organizations, annihilating their independence of thought and action from the inside out. They give only where they can seize control.  And the fundamental issue is that Americans are demanding their FREEDOM back.  Not “charity” from the flipping rich, but a free and level playing ground WITHOUT corporate theft, so we can keep what we make and earn–no charity involved!!

    He also has the temerity to name Warren Buffett as an image of the guilty. Buffett who, by the way, has already been to prison, something from which the likes of Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan and LLoyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs are entirely shielded from by Obama.

    I mean, as long as we’re naming NAMES, let’s start with Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein, and add to them all of the members of boards of directors of all of the giant banks, all of Big Pharma, and all of the companies providing war and intelligence technology. It is in THEIR interest and for THEIR benefit that the American people are being robbed, lied to, betrayed and dispossessed.  “Warren Buffet” my left foot.

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