I seem to Remember the call for “Israel to return to 1967 borders” from someone in the Administration, who could it be? Helen Thomas was already gone, and #occupy wasn’t newsworthy yet, what other anti-zionist troll of Obama’s was it?

No matter how often a lie is debunked, a bagger will continue to repeat it. It’s an entire movement built on lies.

The result of an uncomfortable relationship with text.

“Any final status agreement must be reached between the two parties, and changes to the 1949 Armistice lines must be mutually agreed to.”

– George W. Bush, May 26, 2005.

If Obama threw Israel “under the bus,” so did Bush.

Last time I checked, to the victor goes the spoils.  If you win a war, you are entitled to the land acquired.  This is how warfare has been fought throughout history.  This is one of the only times we have expected a victor to give up any land.  Even so, Israel gave up the Sinai Peninsula, which was a considerable amount of land that Israel won in the 1967 war.  Israel even tried giving the Gaza Strip to Egypt, but Egypt didn’t want it!

Oh Yeah, It was Obama himself, May 19,2011 in the NY Times. Not a Lie, it is in print.

You can take those worthless polls and shove them where the sun don’t shine.
Talk to the elderly jews in Palm Beach and southern Florida and they’ll tell you President Obama has abandoned the jews in Israel. If they could find a viable candidate they would vote Republican, and they take their voting seriously.
My guess is Obama will find some way to pander to jews by visiting Israel.Another one of those changes he’ll make after 3 years in office. 

Shouldn’t the claim that Obama has abandoned Israel be based on…y’know..facts?

Oh wait, ‘baggers are impervious to facts.

To get an idea of Obama’s feelings on Israel, call on the LA Times to release their videotape of Obama at a party for Rashid Khalidi.

“Why is the Los Angeles Times sitting on a videotape of the 2003 farewell bash in Chicago at which Barack Obama lavished praise on the guest of honor, Rashid Khalidi — former mouthpiece for master terrorist Yasser Arafat?”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226104/i-l-times-i-suppresses-obamas-khalidi-bash-tape/andrew-c-mccarthy
  

Also see Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan and a whole host of others.

What was in print?  You mean when he re-stated the same policy that has been the standard policy for decades?

When you progress past the 5th grade literacy demands understanding significant details in context.

 I think the reason all you idiots use the term tea bagger so much is its your secret fantasy to have Barry come to your house and do it to you…. troll

Well, almost everyone in the world thinks Israel should go back to pre-1967 borders. This is a big deal only in the US for reasons that escapes the entire world.  People have this false idea that the press in the US is free and liberal. The press in the US is surprsingly cowardly and self-sensoring. In the UK, for example, ‘occupied territories’ is a mundane term, just to pick one strange aspect of this sorry tale. In the US the coverage of Isreal/Palestine is so pathetic and craven that it only makes sense to people in the US.

Obama calling for Israel to go back to pre-1967 borders should be a totally obvious thing to do, but people go crazy about it. It is all surreal.

i doubt all those transplanted jews from N.Y, and New England are Baggers.
Matter of fact they usually vote Democratic.All the major newspapers lean left yet there’s a real disconnect with the President.
Maybe only having their Social Security payments go up once in the last 3 years plus perceived cuts in their healthcare play into this.Food costs are high.
Just keep up with your pearls of wisdom Henry, your arguments are so persuasive.

Ah yes context. Give us “Land for Peace” Sinai, Gaza, South Lebanon, there’s context. And how many Terrorist prisoners equal 1 Israeli Soldier, 1,000 at last months’ prisoner swap.

So it wasn’t a lie at all, it just didn’t include the caveat that Isreal would get something in return.  Hardly the lie of the year.  I don’t pay attention to the calendar so much so may not even remember 2011 lies, but certainly an often repeated liberal lie is Republicans want to take Medicare away from Seniors – now that is a lie.  Or is it, since isn’t it somewhat similar to your argument about the 1967 lie?

It’s interesting that you would criticize my arguments just because I suggested that yours should be based on facts.

When a person uses the term Tea Bagger in a political context, everyone understands what it means.  Since the Tea Party is not an actual political party, that term is inappropriate.

You all chose this name, now deal with it.

Go away Allan, you have no credibility with anyone.

I think England should return to the 1653 borders with Ireland, which means leave the occupied territories of Northern Ireland, talk about Chutzpah! You forget the 1956 Brittish and French seizure of the Suez Canal, or has UK history been red-washed?

He’s all over the middle east bowing and praising but how long did it take him to visit Isreal?  And how was the leader of the ONLY democratic nation in the region treated when visiting the Obama white house?

Dude, Republicans say this every year & every year the Jews vote Democrat in droves. Republicans could talk about Israel all they want, the Jews know you’re just doing this for the Rapture.

No, it’s because we do it to your mom.

I find it strange to see Israel described as a “democracy.”  Palestinians have always been subject to Israeli laws, yet have never been allowed to vote.  That’s a strange democracy.

Netanyahoo is the one who behaved disrespectfully during his white house visit.

“Talk to the elderly jews in Palm Beach and southern Florida and they’ll tell you President Obama has abandoned the jews in Israel.” 
Sure – Tuesdays through Thursdays; then it’ll be how completely nuts Republicans are. If Romney imagines he can just feed this crap to Jewish voters & they’ll actually EAT it, he’s joined the GOP establishment in its decades-long mystification at how the Jewish vote mediates worry. 

Talking to Jews, whose daily lives involve searching through the entrails over signs of Israel’s travails, both actual & imagined (the former bad enough, the latter far more numerous), is like talking to crop farmers, their daily lives subsumed in comparing weather reports to almanacs & worrying over their crops & lands for signs of flood, drought, pests, soil starvation, soil saturation, the exactly right mix of pesticide & nitrogen, both real & imagined. 

And talking to Jews is also a GOP confabulator’s dream – the theories! The counter-theories!  

Yet somehow, election cycle after election cycle, all that mad swirl of worry gets mediated like a river flowing into a gulf, and in 2012 President Obama will end up with more or less the same level of support from the Jewish vote as he did in 2008.  

This little exhibition by fuppet Jewish liberal Colmes is so after the election Roger Ailes can have his other fuppets tell the FNC faithful, We saw this coming – don’t stop watching us, because we always report the truth (*cough* hedge like crop farmers *cough).  

And the faithful will believe it, too – always have, always will … as they hobble out their remaining fearful tiny lives. 

Maybe the President’s approval rating with Jewish voters is declining because of this open mic gaffe:

“The conversation apparently began with President Obama criticizing
Sarkozy for not having warned him that France would be voting in favor
of the Palestinian membership bid in UNESCO despite Washington’s strong
objection to the move.

The conversation then drifted to
Netanyahu, at which time Sarkozy declared: “I cannot stand him. He is a
liar.” According to the report, Obama replied: “You’re fed up with him,
but I have to deal with him every day!” ”

Gaffetastic!

“yet there’s a real disconnect with the President” 
As there is every time the Dems fail to present the Jewish vote with a Jewish president. Oh, wait …

Where do you get this crap? Oh, wait …

At Least they did not make him leave via the back door with the trash piled up, like they did to  the Dali Lama.

“Obama calling for Israel to go back to pre-1967 borders should be a totally obvious thing to do, but people go crazy about it. It is all surreal.”
See what you did there? You conceded the lie. That’s how it starts.

Did you even read the article???

We can have that discussion if you like but it makes no difference to the Israel/Palestine issue.

do you have specific data on this?  Do you have quotes from more than one person?

Is this as offensive as I think it is? Can someone decipher Hout’s ramblings, and tell me why he isn’t a bigot.

uh because it is not news worthy?

Is international based on simplistic sayings? Um, I don’t remember reading that anywhere.

You misunderstand. Obama SHOULD call for return to 1967 borders, and there should be nothing remotely controversial about it.

Anecdotes aren’t the same as evidence.

Israelis, who I know well by living there, have exactly no idea what people in the US are talking about. Jewish people in the US have no reason to vote for silly people like Gingrich. They are a lot smarter than that.

Just don’t say “Democrat!”

That’s highly offensive, and they don’t take kindly to it.

Best to skip over manifestos from Hout/Henry Wood/Robert.

Yeah, only a nut would vote for Newt.

So we now own Iraq and Kuwait? How about Japan, is that ours too? 

You mean the same way as both Bush’s and Reagan made him leave?

It’s not bigotted, it’s pretty accurate. He said that Republicans have never been able to “connect ” with Jewish voters and he expects that to continue. And Colmes’ speech give FOX cover to be able to say, when that happens, I told you so!

I would add that the republican fear mongering and confabulation may work on a temporary basis, but the fact that Obama’s approval is at 81% with actual Israelis should, come election day, prove Hout right. 

When England gives up Northern Ireland, Maybe Israel can talk about more land for peace. The two issues are not related, but annology the same. Does the IRA rain down rockets on English territory everyday? No. Do the Orangemen beating their drums every July incite the Catholics marching thru Catholic Neighborhoods in celebration of William of Orange’s victory, Yes. There is a peace accord since 2002.Don’t let this Ten-year truce be wasted, Land for peace England, Don’t let the IRA Real return.

“to the victor goes the spoils.”

I thought that “Might makes Right” had been discredited as a theory of justice.  I guess not, eh?

“Netanyahu himself didn’t help things when he argued against the thing President Obama never said…”

It might be hard to deal with someone every day who argues against things you have NEVER said. That’s called putting words in my mouth.

Yes, but when someone like you says it, the teabaggers think that Obama said that. Which he didn’t. He said the borders should be BASED ON the ’67 borders, with mutually agreed land swaps. But teabaggers hear what they want to hear, not what a democratic president says.

I totally want Megyn Kelly.

I don’t know how much of a gaffe that really is. I’d bet even Bibi knows how hard he is to deal with. In fact, I’d bet he’s proud of it! And no international negotiator would expect anything less.

My objection to the phrase “Democrat Party” is grammatical.  “Democrat” is a noun, “democratic” is an adjective.

and right after that we should give Texas, Arizona, New Mexico,and southern California back to Mexico. Sounds pretty stupid doesn’t it?

you do not give up land after a victory in  war. no country ever does it. so why must Israel do this? I believe there is  anti Jew undertones in this argument
 

but its Bush’s fault that he said that

You don’t know what analogy means. All Palestinians want Isreal to go back to pre-1967 borders. On the other hand, a lot of Irish are ‘Unionists’, hence the secterian issue. There is now a functioning Irish parliament, etc. It is clear you don’t know what you are talking about. If all Irish people wanted Irish independence like the Palestinians do, they would get it tomorrow.

You may not be aware of this but even the Scottish, on mailand Britian, no less, are having a referendum on Scottish Independence. Chances are they will vote ‘NO’.

Do you see where this is going? It is not remotely analogous. Even if it were, it doesn’t change anything about Israel/Palestine because you wouldn’t excuse once injustice by invoking another.

In which language?

The French word for “forest” is Foret (circumflex accent over the o, signifying an “s”)

The French word for “wood” is “bois.”

I can assure you that I am me, and only me. 

But my grandfather’s name was Forrest. 

When it comes to Ireland, I’m a Catholic Freedom Fighter supressed in Belfast. When it comes to Israel, I’m Haganah. Go lick the Queens boots and kiss Hamas’s Derriere de soie.

On the 8th day God created Judaism.  On the 9th, Islam.  On the 10th day, he commanded both to fight each other for the same piece of land.  He has been laughing ever since. 

So give me some data that will disprove 
Food prices have gone up.
Gas prices have gone up.
Health care costs have gone up.
The amount of interest they earn on their savings is at an all time low.
Seniors have only received one small increase in their Social Security in the last 3 years.
Enough to search for an alternative in the jewish retirement communities?

Every once in a while the true beliefs of these bigots come out.
If you wrote this he’d be the first to call you anti- semitic.

Keep believing those polls.

With all the transplants from Dem states, all the immigrants that Repubs sht on, and all the jews that you think love the President, Obama will lose Florida.

I am sorry, you can’t have it that way. You cannot make a claim, have no facts to back it up, and have me prove it wrong. What you have just clearly demonstrated is that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Now as for your facts, those where never in question and those were not the claim that you made. Also, those claims would effect anyone in the older demographic, not just Jewish people in Florida. You’re claim was that if I talk to any older Jewish American in Palm Beach or South Florida, they would not be very happy with Obama. That claim is proven wrong by the poll and you offer no data to support your claim. You are basically saying that you believe that poll to be wrong based off a hunch.

Colmes is a communist. Who cares what he says.

Oh, yeah!

You seriously cannot believe what you just wrote.

Oops wrong post,

Yeah, not news worthy. Apparently Fox feels the same way. They haven’t reported on it. And when I mean not news worthy, it means it cannot be taken at face value.

Let’s just call Israel the 51st state and get it over with. 

Further proof that Megyn Kelly and her inability to understand facts shows why she is perfect to work for Fox News!!

Obama backs Palestinians’ 1967 border claims – CBS News

Obama: Return To 1967 Israel-Palestine Border | New York Daily News

Obama calls for Israel’s return to pre-1967 borders – CNN

Obama Sees ’67 Borders as Starting Point for Peace Deal – New York Times

Obama Calls for Talks on 1967 Borders For Israel – WSJ.com

Obama Speech Backlash on Call to Reinstate 1967 Mideast Borders – ABC

Obama Call For 1967 Borders For Israel May Make For Awkward Meeting With Netanyahu – HuffPo

Says the man with multiple accounts.

Uhh with that argument you just disproved your own argument.

No matter how often a lie is debunked, a fister will continue to repeat it. It’s an entire movement built on lies.

See how that works? Idiot.

I don’t see how American Jews can fault Obama, when his policies have been infinitely more successful than his predecessor’s with regards to Israel. Here are three tangible failures of the conservative Bush Administration. Right wingers love the tough talk about supporting Israel, but they tend to overlook the reality:

1) IRAN FAILURE: AHMADINEJAD “ELECTED”: With its policy of preemptive war and open belligerence toward Iran,
the Bush admin set the stage for the 2005 election of Ahmadinejad, the notorious
Israel-basher. Ahmadinejad was the Iranian’s answer to George W. Bush himself. It can
be argued that Bush admin “stirred the pot” intentionally to
galvanize support for war against Iran. Intended or not, the consequence
of this failed policy is that self-professed reformer Akbar Hashemi
Rafsanjan lost the Iranian election by more than 7 million votes, and Iran
accelerated the development of its nuclear capabilities leaving the Obama administration a far more dangerous Iran

2) PALESTINE FAILURE: HAMAS ELECTED. BUSHIES DIDN’T SEE IT COMING. In toppling Saddam and
installing the Iraq Provisional Authority, Bush claimed to be acting in
the interests of democratizing the Middle East. The call for elections
in Iraq became a political mantra, even as Iraq remained under the U.S.
occupation. On Nov. 6, 2003, Bush expanded on this rhetoric in a speech for the 20th Anniversary of the National Endowment for Democracy at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he said: “For the Palestinian people, the only path to independence and dignity and progress is the path of democracy.” Whether the statement was sincere or disingenuous, the results are
the same. Hamas won the election and numerous reports indicate that the
Bush Admin was SURPRISED by that result.

In a Jan. 26, 2006 press conference, Bush weakly denied being surprised, stating: “If there is corruption, I’m not surprised that people
say, let’s get rid of corruption. If government hadn’t been responsive,
I’m not the least bit surprised that people said, I want government to
be responsive.”

On Jan. 30, 2006, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was more candid (as reported by the New York Times), admitting that the admin did not foresee the possibility of a Hamas victory.

“I’ve asked why nobody saw it coming,” Ms. Rice said,
speaking of her own staff. “It does say something about us not having a
good enough pulse.”

3) FAILURE: THE 2007 BATTLE OF GAZA.The Hamas election was also the beginning of the even greater policy failure. After
agitating for democratic reforms in the Middle East, the Bush admin
reaffirmed its support of Fatah leader and Palestinian President Mahmoud
Abbas. Again standing in the very corner into which it had painted
itself, the U.S. refused to deal with Hamas unless it recognized Israel
and renounced terrorism. As it turns out, the Bush admin’s attempt to
isolate and undermine Hamas resulted in even greater death and
destruction.

In April 2008, Vanity Fair reported
that President Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy
National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams had backed armed action by
Fatah against Hamas. Author David Rose wrote: “The plan was for forces led by [Fatah strongman
Muhammad] Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America’s
behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically
elected Hamas-led government from power. (The State Department declined
to comment.)  But the secret plan backfired, resulting in a further setback for
American foreign policy under Bush. Instead of driving its enemies out
of power, the U.S.-backed Fatah fighters inadvertently provoked Hamas to
seize total control of Gaza.”

The result was the 2007 Battle of Gaza (June 7 to June 15, 2007), a
civil war in which Hamas seized complete control of the Gaza Strip.
Nominal Palestinian President Abbas subsequently dissolved the “unity”
government and the result was open warfare in Gaza between Israel and
Hamas.

THREE TANGIBLE FAILURES OF TYPICAL RIGHT-WING BLUSTER AND IGNORANCE. THOSE  SAME PEOPLE CALL OBAMA AN ENEMY OF ISRAEL BECAUSE HE HURT THEIR WIDDLE FEELINGS (DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE’S HELPED KEEP ISRAEL FAR SAFER THAN HIS REPUBLICAN/NEOCONSERVATIVE PREDECESSORS.)

taken

anti Jew

who?

Because it holds the secret password for passage onto the interplanetary spaceship ORION that will take all Dems to another planet when the destruction of earth is complete.

And if you talk to elderly white folks they’ll tell you President Obama has abandoned his country in favor of Marxism, Kenanism, Socialism, Muslinism, and blackism.

Guess which group is correct.
 

jingles keys

Newt’s Nuts

And how did the leader of the one of (forget Bush’s democracy push?) the democratic nations in the region treat Obama?

how long did it take him to visit Isreal?

Bush To Make His First Visit To Israel
Bush’s three-day visit, which begins Wednesday, is part of his
stepped-up effort to forge an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement before
he leaves office in January 2009.

Yep
Obama has a lot to live up to.

Then why are we not selling Iraqi oil?

Facts scmacks

Helen Thomas
someone in the Administration

Where do you get your news?

thats not what dad said

I referred to the UGLY Lebanese who used to sit in front of Bagdad Bob Gibbs in the White House Press Room. “Thank-you Mr. President was her line.”

I think you should come up with some of your own material, fister.

ALAN YOU ARE A REAL TRIP!!! I HOPE YOUR LIPS  ARNT SORE FROM KISSING OBAMAS ASS!!!!
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I thought I would never live to see the day an American President would be Anti-Israel.

I thought I would never live to see the day an American President would be Anti-Israel.

Megyn Kendall Kelly Brunt Hume has the 3rd most conservative show on the FOX Republican News Channel, after Fox & Friends and Hannity.  Megyn Kelly Hume has been trying to position herself as the female Hannity to take over Greta’s time slot…which is a better goal than getting back into Brit Hume’s pants. 

LOL!

Why don’t we ask Benny what he thinks!

what a sickening and WRONG article. there are too many mistakes to count them all, so I’ll just talk about one. the “survey of Israelis” that found this amazing 80% approval rating for Obama? it was primarily Israeli ARABS

If you didn’t want to be called teabaggers then you probably shouldn’t have refered to yourselves as teabaggers when you started your little He-man minority haters club.

what a sickening and WRONG article. there are too many mistakes to count them all, so I’ll just talk about one. the “survey of Israelis” that found this amazing 80% approval rating for Obama? it was primarily Israeli ARABS, not Israeli Jews. Israeli Jews have a much lower approval rating, and with good reason.

you guys can spin all you want, but true friends of Israel are not snowed by this crap. and whether Obama wins, or becomes a lame duck until January, you can bet that all his fake Jew-love will stop the minute the election’s over, since he won’t need them anymore. and then woe betide Israel.

“All Palestinians want Isreal [sic] to go back to pre-1967 borders”

not really, Em. many of them want Israel  to go right into the sea. which is the problem.

the “injustice” is that the Palestinians won’t accept a Jewish state. if they would, all this fighting would be over and they’d have their state. but their Jew-hatred is just too strong.

SSHHHHHHH!! Did you get your new Nikes yet? 

Ah, revising history is such fun, isn’t it?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrea-mitchell-israel-pm-lectured-obama-and-treated-him-like-a-schoolboy/

Yes. It means you want some balls in your mouth.

You all chose this name, now deal with it.

Anderson Cooper is every Tea Partier?

Anderson Cooper is a Tea Partier?

We weren’t there to take land.

what you do,pablo, is called selective reading. Obama didn’t say they should return to the 1967 border. He said those borders should be acknowledged when negotiating the border lines. It said that in both articles. People who aren’t Obama misinterpreted what he said.

Do you have any idea what the actual “TEA” in Tea Party means?  It is a very simple term taxed enough already.

I need claification.  He said the borders should be BASED ON the ’67 borders.  That says to me that you have proven the point that Obama said the borders should go back to ’67 standards.  This is simply a word game.  He said it in words that can be re-envented by his faithful.

I’m not even Jewish and I think so.  All of you realize that when Obama says something, it is put into context that can be manipulated into: Well that wasn’t what he really said and you racists and teabaggers are just haters.  That is an interpretation of the Obama faithful statements.

Alan Colmes . . . . . LOL he speaks when given permission by his wife.

You can tell who  your friends are by what they say behind your back, and friends like Obama, I don’t need and neither does Israel.  NOBAMA in 2012

I thought it was “Tolerant enough already.” It doesn’t make any sense to base an anti-Obama movement on taxation, since he has actually cut taxes pretty dramatically and left the Bush tax cut rates in place.

I thought it was referring to Larry Craig or Pastor Ted Haggard.

That’s where you’re wrong. That’s how it used to work, but as of 1945 it’s been rendered illegal to gain territory by military conquest.

BTW, the Gaza Strip was never part of Egypt.

Israel is just another patch of sand in the Mid-East confusion.
We pour in money and get nothing in return.
Not even oil.
Our allegiance is misplaced.

Bingo.

Sometimes I wonder which nation gets more press in our country, the United States, or Israel.

The bible beaters need Israel, for their end of the world scenario to play out.
Why else would that much money be dumped into Israel? To secure a high vote percentage of 3% of the population?

There is no remedy for love but to love more.  Find  true love？ ——-> sugarcupid.C¤M　

This is the most infantile and easily rebutted word play and semantic gibberish. There are two situations that occurred regarding the West Bank: before Jordan’s loss of the West Bank and after the loss of the West Bank. Obama is obviously not calling for the status quo which is ridiculous to even suggest. He is then calling for the return to the conditions which existed before the 1967 War, which would bring us to the 1949 Armistice lines. There is no in between when it comes to the actuality of these events – there was before, and there was after. 

Obama is clearly calling for a return to pre-1967 lines since the only other option is to call for the lines as they exist today. Don’t drag mutually agreed upon swaps into this since that is another matter that is for the future. And it has been reported that Obama is the first President to “formally” declare this so don’t drag Bush quotes into this. There is informal and official policy. How in the world people like Colmes and Christopher can have national exposure with such obviously partisan thought that ignores simple history and 2+2 logic is amazing to me.

Since America will have nothing to say about mutually agreed swaps, let me say this again because it is really simple: there are no 1967 lines in the sense in which Obama speaks that are not also the 1949 Armistice Lines which are not borders in the first place but where fighting stopped. These lines are then obviously pre-1967 lines and they have been correctly reported as such. And what in the world polls withing Israel have to do with this is beyond me.

 Didn’t we invade Iraq because they were not complying with UN Resolutions?  Israel also flips the middle finger to the UN.

When do we invade them?

 You mean when he wasn’t lying about what our president was saying and wagging his finger in his face?