And away we go leftt nuts
5-4-3-

In the mean time, the 43rd President would like to stay out of the limelight.

Good, America had enough of him for eight years.

left ;(

ROCKSTEADY said:
In the mean time, the 43rd President would like to stay out of the limelight. Good, America had enough of him for eight years.

How can you tell the difference between ROCKSTEADY
and a Sumo Wrestler?

A. The Sumo Wrestler shaves his legs>

Carter could learn a lot of class from him. And hay ROCKS… if you had enough of him for 8 years why does your side bring him up every 5 minutes???

Colby, your comparison of Bush 43 and Clinton staying in the spot light is dumber than usual for you.

Clinton has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in India and Africa by squeezing rich people to contribute money, to lower the cost of life-saving meds for AIDS patients. Bubba stays in the spotlight because people WANT him to remain in the spotlight. He goes to the World Economic Forum in Davos because his opinion is sought.

I know this is your own opinion but comparing the 2 former Presidents is absurd. Sorry, man.

Probably NOT wrong said:
How can you tell the difference between ROCKSTEADYand a Sumo Wrestler? A. The Sumo Wrestler shaves his legs>

Sumo wrestlers have basic reasoning skills .

Sorry W, but it’s 11yrs too late.

he finally caught on that no one cares. hey, this is what we call progress, george!

Yeah if I were the worst President in American history and nearly destroyed our country, I would probably hide too. At least I agree with him here, the best idea would be to disappear forever George.

Get lost in traffic.

Color Me Badd said:
Yeah if I were the worst President in American history and nearly destroyed our country, I would probably hide too. At least I agree with him here, the best idea would be to disappear forever George. Get lost in traffic.

That would be Carter… but thanks for playing. :)

Carter did this?

* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the ‘poorest’ multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
* With a policy of ‘dis-engagement’ created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden ‘dead or alive’.
* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

Hell no it was Bush. Worst President ever.

“

Wow. It’s nice to see the moonbat talking points all arranged bullet style, but you weren’t supposed to publish the WHOLE LIST, CMD. You’re just supposed to sprinkle them around like pixie dust.

Yeah I know give out the thumbs down bitch but the truth hurts feel free to look any of that stuff up.

Anyone who defends George W. Bush I refuse to take seriously. If you defend George Bush you obviously play with action figures in the tub and have sparkly toothpaste.

I suggest you go play in traffic with Georgie.

Dave Noland said:
Carter was president over 30 years ago… Let it GO

Did you even read that stuff, Bush did that not Carter. Duh

Dave Noland said:
Bush is soo pathetic. He wimpers off into the night. He better be lucky Obama isn’t interested in trying his criminal ass. See you until the next time you want to shill for a book BUUUUUSH.

Obama isn’t going to try Bush or Cheney they protect their own. Bush and Cheney both should thank their Gods that Obama is “looking forward” and not pursing prosecution.

Really all he would have to do is let the Hague pick them both up which I know the Hague has said in the past they would pursue.

But watch Obama protect them, I guarantee that is what will happen if the World Court ever brings charges which they still cool. No statues on World crimes tried by the Hague.

Color Me Badd said:
Carter did this? * Attacked and took over two countries.* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the ‘poorest’ multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).* With a policy of ‘dis-engagement’ created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden ‘dead or alive’.* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. Hell no it was Bush. Worst President ever. ”

Nice cut and paste. I’m SURE there is a site out there for all of the things that happened on Carters watch. Lets hope some takes the time to find it. And then cut and paste it.

Color Me Badd said:
Yeah if I were the worst President in American history and nearly destroyed our country, I would probably hide too. At least I agree with him here, the best idea would be to disappear forever George.

Get lost in traffic.

Seriously? How about Buchanan, Andrew Johnson or Harding? Oh wait, you probably have no idea who those people are.

“I don’t want to be on these talk shows, giving my opinion, second guessing the current President. I think it’s bad for the country, frankly, to have a former president criticize his successor.”

Nice one Mr. President.

Bush job approval rating higher than Obama’s

Louisianans: Bush Did a Better Job Than Obama with Disaster

Daily Kos: Bush was better than Obama

Dave Noland said:
lucky Obama isn’t interested in trying his criminal ass. See you until the next time you want to shill for a book BUUUUUSH.

Bush is very lucky. Lets not give up hope that the other countries will make him and his cronies accountable for their war mongering ways.Bush will always be known as the worst president.

tatboy said:
Nice cut and paste. I’m SURE there is a site out there for all of the things that happened on Carters watch. Lets hope some takes the time to find it. And then cut and paste it.

thanks tattooed person, tattoos are tough!

Color Me Badd said:
Obama isn’t going to try Bush or Cheney they protect their own. Bush and Cheney both should thank their Gods that Obama is “looking forward” and not pursing prosecution. Really all he would have to do is let the Hague pick them both up which I know the Hague has said in the past they would pursue. But watch Obama protect them, I guarantee that is what will happen if the World Court ever brings charges which they still cool. No statues on World crimes tried by the Hague.

No real reason to thank their Gods…..they can NEVER be charged in the Hague since there charter only allows signing countrys and neither Iraq or the USA are members….so as far as the world court Bush and Dick will NEVER have to worry about anything!

All this said, don’t agree with his politics or most of his actions as president looking back, but I wish him and Laura the best.

Say what you will about the guy, he’s very classy for staying out of things. Wish he’d say something to his VP.

Obtuse said:
Seriously? How about Buchanan, Andrew Johnson or Harding? Oh wait, you probably have no idea who those people are.

I wasnt aware James Buchanan did this?

Recent additions to U.S. public debt Fiscal year (begins

10/01 of prev. year) Value % of GDP
2001 $144.5 billion 1.4%
2002 $409.5 billion 3.9%
2003 $589.0 billion 5.5%
2004 $605.0 billion 5.3%
2005 $523.0 billion 4.3%
2006 $536.5 billion 4.1%
2007 $459.5 billion 3.4%
2008 $962.0 billion (proj.) 6.8%

Did Andrew Johnson invade 2 countries that didn’t attack us and occupy them?

Honestly I don’t even know who you are you may be a history professor but even if you were I know I could hold my own with you discussing history, esp.Presidental History, without using the Google. Like if we were taking in real life, which would never happen so don’t get your hopes up.

The worst president in US history was James Buchanan. Fortunately he was followed by the best.

W. should speak out more. What does he think of the Tea Party? What does he think of Obama keeping 80% of his foreign policy in place? How does he feel about the growing anti-Muslim sentiment? He once said “America is addicted to oil.” Why are we no closer to getting off of it than when he said that?

Harding was bad but it wasn’t his fault getting pneumonia during the inauguration and dying because of it.

Did Pakistan attack us? Why is Obama bombing them?

Pablo said:
Did Pakistan attack us? Why is Obama bombing them?

What about John Kerry in Cambodia??? Huh!

Color Me Badd said:
I wasnt aware James Buchanan did this?

Recent additions to U.S. public debt Fiscal year (begins

10/01 of prev. year) Value % of GDP
2001 $144.5 billion 1.4%
2002 $409.5 billion 3.9%
2003 $589.0 billion 5.5%
2004 $605.0 billion 5.3%
2005 $523.0 billion 4.3%
2006 $536.5 billion 4.1%
2007 $459.5 billion 3.4%
2008 $962.0 billion (proj.) 6.8%

Did Andrew Johnson invade 2 countries that didn’t attack us and occupy them?

Honestly I don’t even know who you are you may be a history professor but even if you were I know I could hold my own with you discussing history, esp.Presidental History, without using the Google. Like if we were taking in real life, which would never happen so don’t get your hopes up.

I know enough to see blind indoctrinated hate when I see it, especially the copy and paste kind. 43 should rate in the lower tier, but he’s not the worse. People who honestly and independently hate Bush’s presidency should re-examine FDR’s reign and how they use social media. Maybe take another look at that Vietnam thing as well. Of course, anyone who wasn’t of mature age on 9/11 has no frame of reference.

Color Me Badd said:
I suggest you go play in traffic with Georgie.

Wow, would this be considered a threat? The psychosis on the left never ceases to amaze me.

Color Me Badd said:
I wasnt aware James Buchanan did this? Recent additions to U.S. public debt Fiscal year (begins 10/01 of prev. year) Value % of GDP2001 $144.5 billion 1.4%2002 $409.5 billion 3.9%2003 $589.0 billion 5.5%2004 $605.0 billion 5.3%2005 $523.0 billion 4.3%2006 $536.5 billion 4.1%2007 $459.5 billion 3.4%2008 $962.0 billion (proj.) 6.8% Did Andrew Johnson invade 2 countries that didn’t attack us and occupy them? Honestly I don’t even know who you are you may be a history professor but even if you were I know I could hold my own with you discussing history, esp.Presidental History, without using the Google. Like if we were taking in real life, which would never happen so don’t get your hopes up.

Your cut-and-paste ability is amazing. Second only to your ability to GOOGLE. Try having a thought of your own.

Penguin60 said:
Wow, would this be considered a threat? The psychosis on the left never ceases to amaze me.

No, not a threat; just broadcasting immaturity. I do wonder what will happen to all of that when “net neutrality” passes.

Color Me Badd said:
Harding was bad but it wasn’t his fault getting pneumonia during the inauguration and dying because of it.

I think you’re thinking of someone else.

Color Me Badd said:
What about John Kerry in Cambodia??? Huh!

Kerry was lying, and Kerry wasn’t the President, thank God.

Color Me Badd said:
Harding was bad but it wasn’t his fault getting pneumonia during the inauguration and dying because of it.

Harding died in 1923… 2 years after he took the office of the presidency? I think you have your history a little mixed up. Go back to cutting and pasting. Original thought is not your strong suit.

GATXER said:
No real reason to thank their Gods…..they can NEVER be charged in the Hague since there charter only allows signing countrys and neither Iraq or the USA are members….so as far as the world court Bush and Dick will NEVER have to worry about anything!

You are right the charter went unsigned by the Bush admistration, of course on purpose because they knew what they were doing and what they would be doing could get them convicted of crimes by the IIC and sentenced to death. Ask Slobodan Milosevic.

I have seen a couple of lawyers argue that the Obama admistration could sign the charter and make it retroactive, meaning that the Bush admistration would be bound by the charter too. But we all know that will never happen, Eric Holder and Obama are doing everything they can to protect Bush/Cheney from prosecution and even if they did make it retroactive it may not hold up in court when challenged by the defense.

Bush and Cheney are going to go to their graves without ever having to atone for their sins against humanity and our country. I do hope there is a God who will judge these men for what they have done with extreme prejudice. I think about the hundreds of thousands needlessly slaughtered because of these men. The women and children, not to mention GWB created a whole new generation of terrorists. Which is what he wanted to do.

George W. Bush: ‘I’m Done With Politics, GOP Fundraising And Appearing On TV’

Great. STFU and go away. Do us a favor, take Carter, your parents and Clinton with you. And Hillary too, if you don’t mind.

Color Me Badd said:
You are right the charter went unsigned by the Bush admistration, of course on purpose because they knew what they were doing and what they would be doing could get them convicted of crimes by the IIC and sentenced to death. Ask Slobodan Milosevic.

I have seen a couple of lawyers argue that the Obama admistration could sign the charter and make it retroactive, meaning that the Bush admistration would be bound by the charter too. But we all know that will never happen, Eric Holder and Obama are doing everything they can to protect Bush/Cheney from prosecution and even if they did make it retroactive it may not hold up in court when challenged by the defense.

Bush and Cheney are going to go to their graves without ever having to atone for their sins against humanity and our country. I do hope there is a God who will judge these men for what they have done with extreme prejudice. I think about the hundreds of thousands needlessly slaughtered because of these men. The women and children, not to mention GWB created a whole new generation of terrorists. Which is what he wanted to do.

Your last sentence makes your point of view utterly worthless.

tatboy said:
Harding died in 1923… 2 years after he took the office of the presidency? I think you have your history a little mixed up. Go back to cutting and pasting. Original thought is not your strong suit.

Actually in this case cutting and pasting would be pointless because my statement is true but you wont find it on the google you have to actually have read books about the man and know that Warren Harding’s inaugural was on one of the coldest days in Washington DC in years and everyone warned Harding not to have it outside which he refused to listen to.

After the inaugural Harding got very sick and had bouts of pneumonia for the next two years of his Presidency, which affected his governing and his ability to work.

Although you don’t know that because all you did was look up how long Warren Harding was president and see that it was two years, you obviously know nothing about his Presidency and how he was sick the entire time all starting with the inaugural.

Obtuse said:
Your last sentence makes your point of view utterly worthless.

Tell that to Ron Paul douchebag.

tatboy said:
Try having a thought of your own.

tatboy said:
Original thought is not your strong suit.

You could easily say that about any of the conservative posters here.

Color Me Badd said:
Tell that to Ron Paul douchebag.

Just because I disagree with unethical thought doesn’t mean I agree with whatever parallel you want to connect your statements to Ron Paul.

“Douchebag?” You continue to reveal yourself even though you have no sense of self, at least politically.

“

Obtuse said:
Just because I disagree with unethical thought doesn’t mean I agree with whatever parallel you want to connect your statements to Ron Paul.

“Douchebag?” You continue to reveal yourself even though you have no sense of self, at least politically.

What is untrue about this statement?

. The women and children, not to mention GWB created a whole new generation of terrorists. Which is what he wanted to do.

I have no sense of “self”? Thanks Dr. Phil but you can save the psychoanalysis, that may impress your pals but I am a little embarrassed for you when you make that statement.

Color Me Badd said:
“

What is untrue about this statement?

. The women and children, not to mention GWB created a whole new generation of terrorists. Which is what he wanted to do.

I have no sense of “self”? Thanks Dr. Phil but you can save the psychoanalysis, that may impress your pals but I am a little embarrassed for you when you make that statement.

If you believe that 43 wanted to create more terrorists you are lost. I am no fan of 43 either, but I keep my criticisms in reality.

Obtuse said:
Just because I disagree with unethical thought doesn’t mean I agree with whatever parallel you want to connect your statements to Ron Paul.

“Douchebag?” You continue to reveal yourself even though you have no sense of self, at least politically.

And WTF do you mean? My statement is “unethical”??? It is “unethicial” to point out that the policies promoted by the Bush administration created terrorists in the middle east???

No I think what is unethical is invading two countries that never attacked us, occupying them, overthrowing their governments and killing their citizens.

Thanks Obtuse for letting me know I can’t take anything you say seriously from now on.

Rereading your post I can see you are trying to appear intelligent and that you know what you are talking about but in your short statement you said two totally nonsense things that don’t make any sense.

Mediaite Failure indeed.

Obtuse said:
Your last sentence makes your point of view utterly worthless.

The last sentence is almost certainly pure inference, and not provable.

And I would agree that it makes one question the rest of what he has to say. And I’ve seen him say plenty I disagree with.

But if you chop off the last sentence, ignore the source, and evaluate the rest on its own merits?

It’s true.

Obtuse said:
If you believe that 43 wanted to create more terrorists you are lost. I am no fan of 43 either, but I keep my criticisms in reality.

Understand that throughout history the US has needed enemies in order to prop up our military industrial complex, with the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 we lost our enemy and our boogyman so we had to create new ones. Our policies in the Middle East bolstered the fundamentalists and created an entire new wave or young and eager terrorists, Clinton Bush Sr and Bush Jr.’s policies promoted it.

We need enemies! We always have had an enemy.

Color Me Badd said:
And WTF do you mean? My statement is “unethical”??? It is “unethicial” to point out that the policies promoted by the Bush administration created terrorists in the middle east???

No I think what is unethical is invading two countries that never attacked us, occupying them, overthrowing their governments and killing their citizens.

Thanks Obtuse for letting me know I can’t take anything you say seriously from now on.

Rereading your post I can see you are trying to appear intelligent and that you know what you are talking about but in your short statement you said two totally nonsense things that don’t make any sense.

Mediaite Failure indeed.

It is unethical to accuse 43 of wanting to produce more terrorists.

People have been killing each other since mankind began. Who’d they blame before America came along?

Obtuse said:
It is unethical to accuse 43 of wanting to produce more terrorists.

I think it is much more “unethical” to invade two countries who didn’t attack us and trash our economy. But that is just me, feel free to get hung up on someone saying that Bush wanted terrorism (which he certainly did). He said himself he was a “war president” and a “war President” needs an enemy.

Color Me Badd said:
Understand that throughout history the US has needed enemies in order to prop up our military industrial complex, with the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 we lost our enemy and our boogyman so we had to create new ones. Our policies in the Middle East bolstered the fundamentalists and created an entire new wave or young and eager terrorists, Clinton Bush Sr and Bush Jr.’s policies promoted it.

We need enemies! We always have had an enemy.

If your theory is true, we need an enemy that will put on a uniform. Terrorists don’t wear uniforms.

Obtuse said:
It is unethical to accuse 43 of wanting to produce more terrorists.

Can you explain why it is unethical?

Just_MC said:
The last sentence is almost certainly pure inference, and not provable.

And I would agree that it makes one question the rest of what he has to say. And I’ve seen him say plenty I disagree with.

But if you chop off the last sentence, ignore the source, and evaluate the rest on its own merits?

It’s true.

I am a “she”.

Obtuse said:
If your theory is true, we need an enemy that will put on a uniform. Terrorists don’t wear uniforms.

You need a uniform? What are you talking about? I wish there were more serious conservatives to debate I hate that these people aren’t serious. they are children.

Color Me Badd said:
I am a “she”.

Sorry, I think I assumed otherwise due to a prior screen icon you had.

Color Me Badd said:
I think it is much more “unethical” to invade two countries who didn’t attack us and trash our economy. But that is just me, feel free to get hung up on someone saying that Bush wanted terrorism (which he certainly did). He said himself he was a “war president” and a “war President” needs an enemy.

If you go back and re-read, I said 43 belonged in the bottom tier but I did not agree that he was the worse ever.

Color Me Badd said:
You need a uniform? What are you talking about? I wish there were more serious conservatives to debate I hate that these people aren’t serious. they are children.

A. If you don’t know what I’m talking about you copy and paste your thoughts rather than arriving at them yourself.

B. I am no conservative.

Just_MC said:
Can you explain why it is unethical?

I shouldn’t need to. Consider the inverse: the conservative meme that Obama hates all white people. That is an unethical statement.

Obtuse said:
I think you’re thinking of someone else.

I was, sorry I got William Harrison mixed up with Buchanan. Sorry about that.

Obtuse said:
I shouldn’t need to. Consider the inverse: the conservative meme that Obama hates all white people. That is an unethical statement.

Suppose you had 100 secret videos of Obama speaking candidly with his friends saying he hated all white people? Would it be unethical to say it then? Of course not.

Lying is unethical. So, saying Bush wanted to create terrorists would be unethical if you knew it to be false.

But if you believe it to be true, regardless of whether it is, saying what you believe is true is not “unethical.”

Color Me Badd seems to believe Bush DID want to create terrorsts, and has explained why she thinks that. Regardless of whether you think that is correct or not, I don’t see why you would say it was “unethical for HER to say it” because she thinks it is true.

Unless you don’t believe she thinks it is true. But then, you are starting to operate on assumptions at least as tenuous as what you’ve condemned, no?

Obtuse said:
A. If you don’t know what I’m talking about you copy and paste your thoughts rather than arriving at them yourself.

B. I am no conservative.

I know what you are referring to but you are being willfully ignorant and wanting to get bogged down in semantics, (a popular debate tactic of the right wing). You are wanting me to get in a juvenile pissing mach about how they aren’t an actual country with an army so they can’t be our true enemy.

When I say that Bush created terrorists and it was by design, I would love to see you prove me wrong. I am open minded as you can see, I admit when I am wrong or when I mix up some facts like I did with Buchanan and Harrison, I am not perfect. But I don’t see where the policies of GWB were trying to prevent the promulgation of terrorists (a policy Obama continues).

Our country needs an enemy there is a lot of money invested in it, most of our money is so we have to have someone to fight. OBL was a CIA asset for years, so was Saddam Hussein, we usually have our former friends become our enemies because they are easier to manipulate.

Are you at all shocked that GWB never seriously went after OBL? Are you shocked when GWB said OBL isn’t important and that he never thought about him that much in 2003?

I wasn’t.

Obtuse said:
I shouldn’t need to. Consider the inverse: the conservative meme that Obama hates all white people. That is an unethical statement.

the inverse is that Obama hates all white people? Where is the evidence that Obama hates all white people other than Glenn Beck said so?

Just_MC said:
Suppose you had 100 secret videos of Obama speaking candidly with his friends saying he hated all white people? Would it be unethical to say it then? Of course not.

Lying is unethical. So, saying Bush wanted to create terrorists would be unethical if you knew it to be false.

But if you believe it to be true, regardless of whether it is, saying what you believe is true is not “unethical.”

Color Me Badd seems to believe Bush DID want to create terrorsts, and has explained why she thinks that. Regardless of whether you think that is correct or not, I don’t see why you would say it was “unethical for HER to say it” because she thinks it is true.

Unless you don’t believe she thinks it is true. But then, you are starting to operate on assumptions at least as tenuous as what you’ve condemned, no?

Libel is unethical. Cut and dry. One’s opinion doesn’t matter.

Color Me Badd said:
I know what you are referring to but you are being willfully ignorant and wanting to get bogged down in semantics, (a popular debate tactic of the right wing).

A popular debate tactic of disingenuous people of all political stripes. Not something the “right wing” corners the market on, whatever the “right wing” even is.

Color Me Badd said:
the inverse is that Obama hates all white people? Where is the evidence that Obama hates all white people other than Glenn Beck said so?

Exactly. At the end of the day, no matter what other provable point you make, you sound like Glenn Beck when say Bush wanted to create more terrorists.

Obtuse said:
Libel is unethical. Cut and dry. One’s opinion doesn’t matter.

I mean this to clarify, not to offend, so please understand where I am coming from. It sounds like you don’t know what libel is. Libel is not writing something that is false. Libel is writing something that you know is false.

For this to be libel, Color Me Badd would have to KNOW Bush did NOT want to create terrorists.

Are you saying that Color Me Bad DOESN’T BELIEVE Bush wanted to create terrorists? And is thus lying to us about what she, herself, believes?

Given her explanation, I think she believes it.

Just_MC said:
I mean this to clarify, not to offend, so please understand where I am coming from. It sounds like you don’t know what libel is. Libel is not writing something that is false. Libel is writing something that you know is false.

For this to be libel, Color Me Badd would have to KNOW Bush did NOT want to create terrorists.

Are you saying that Color Me Bad DOESN’T BELIEVE Bush wanted to create terrorists? And is thus lying to us about what she, herself, believes?

Given her explanation, I think she believes it.

Believing something to be true does not make it ethical. I’m not omnipotent; I can’t tell you what another person believes.

Just_MC said:
I mean this to clarify, not to offend, so please understand where I am coming from. It sounds like you don’t know what libel is. Libel is not writing something that is false. Libel is writing something that you know is false.

Not all the way true. Statement made to defame.

Example: Kanye West.

Obtuse said:
Believing something to be true does not make it ethical. I’m not omnipotent; I can’t tell you what another person believes.

That’s the whole point. Libel is reserved for situations where someone LIES to defame someone. The reason that the burden of proof for libel is so great is because of this. Lots of people have beliefs that are incorrect, but it is not libelous or unethical for them to express those opinions.

What is unethical about libel is that the person defaming somone KNOWS the defamation is incorrect. A person who kills someone and signs a deposition that he saw someone else do it–THAT’S libelous.

Regardless of how vile or contemptible ColorMeBadd’s belief might be, it appears to be her belief. Which may make it hopelessly untrue. But if she believes it to be true, it isn’t LIBEL.

And thus, her saying it cannot be unethical on the basis of being libel.

One could make a case that it is unethical for her to say it because she has not done any due diligence in forming her opinion. But, in this case, she seems to have a lot to say about how she formed that opinion.

So, as wrong as it might be, her saying it is not libel, and it is not unethical.

If you disagree, please be specific about why.

Obtuse said:
Not all the way true. Statement made to defame.

Okay, now work with me on this. Suppose you see someone murder someone, and then you write that that person is a murderer. You ARE meaning to defame the person, for sure. But you are correct in your defamation. So, you would agree, not libel, right?

Now suppose you saw video of someone murdering someone, and you write that the person is a murderer based on the video. You saw evidence. You formed your opinion. You did so in good faith. No libel. Then you find out the video was doctored, and you immediately retract your original statement. It still wasn’t libel.

But based on your definition, simply defaming them, writing anything bad about anyone is libel.

If so, we can agree to disagree on the definition of libel. But I want to understand how your world works when people are libelous and unethical just because they have a wrong opinion and state that wrong opinion honestly.

Just_MC said:
That’s the whole point. Libel is reserved for situations where someone LIES to defame someone. The reason that the burden of proof for libel is so great is because of this. Lots of people have beliefs that are incorrect, but it is not libelous or unethical for them to express those opinions.

What is unethical about libel is that the person defaming somone KNOWS the defamation is incorrect. A person who kills someone and signs a deposition that he saw someone else do it–THAT’S libelous.

Regardless of how vile or contemptible ColorMeBadd’s belief might be, it appears to be her belief. Which may make it hopelessly untrue. But if she believes it to be true, it isn’t LIBEL.

And thus, her saying it cannot be unethical on the basis of being libel.

One could make a case that it is unethical for her to say it because she has not done any due diligence in forming her opinion. But, in this case, she seems to have a lot to say about how she formed that opinion.

So, as wrong as it might be, her saying it is not libel, and it is not unethical.

If you disagree, please be specific about why.

I already did. Belief has nothing to do with it.

Obtuse said:
I already did. Belief has nothing to do with it.

So, making an honest mistake is unethical?

Obtuse, please answer two questions so I can understand your position here.

1. SUPPOSE Bush DID want to create terrorists, and someone knew it. Would it be libelous to write that he did?

2. You did say you aren’t omnipitent, and thus that you can’t read people’s minds. So you don’t have any way to know whether Bush wanted to create terrorists or not. So, how can you know ColorMeBadd is wrong, in order to pronounce what ColorMeBadd wrote incorrect?

Just_MC said:

But based on your definition, simply defaming them, writing anything bad about anyone is libel.

Not my definition of libel, but if I write a letter to my local newspaper saying my neighbor worships the devil, it could be held as libelous until I could provide proof to back up my claims. If I write a letter saying 43 worships the devil, it would be no less libelous but there would be no burden of proof since Bush is a person in the public eye.

Obtuse, can you please answer my two questions? This will help me follow what you mean.

Just_MC said:
So, making an honest mistake is unethical?

A statement made to defame is not an “honest mistake.”

Obtuse said:
A statement made to defame is not an “honest mistake.”

It is if you make it in good faith, having done reasonable diligence, and you believe it to be true and accurate.

Or are you defining “defame” as writing something DELIBERATELY misleading (AKS: that one knows to be false?)

I might say that this comes 12 years too late, but I suspect W is just disenchanted and even distressed with the extreme “lurch” to the right that his Republican party has made. The man despises Tea Parties, I am sure.

Just_MC said:
Or are you defining “defame” as writing something DELIBERATELY misleading (AKS: that one knows to be false?)

Nope.

Obtuse said:
Nope.

It is my belief that Obtuse does not know the legal definition of “libel”. That is my belief which I believe with my whole being.

It that Libel?

Tee Hee.

Just_MC said:
Obtuse, can you please answer my two questions? This will help me follow what you mean.

1. Not if you had the burden of proof, and that would be a pretty big burden.

2. So you have to be God to spot libel now?

Obtuse, here’s what I am getting from you.

CMB says Bush wanted to create terrorists.

You say CMB’s post is unethical and libelous.

So, why is it unethical and libelous? Do you say it is it unethical and libelous because it is not true? (Meaning, because the truth is that Bush did not want to create terrorists?)

Color Me Badd said:
legal definition of “libel”.

“Legally,” any anonymous statement made on an internet message board about 43 is not libel.

Color Me Badd said:
It is my belief that Obtuse does not know the legal definition of “libel”. That is my belief which I believe with my whole being. It that Libel? Tee Hee.

LOL, with all your naughty bits.

Just_MC said:
Obtuse, here’s what I am getting from you.

CMB says Bush wanted to create terrorists.

You say CMB’s post is unethical and libelous.

So, why is it unethical and libelous? Do you say it is it unethical and libelous because it is not true? (Meaning, because the truth is that Bush did not want to create terrorists?)

Its a statement made to defame without the burden of proof.

I’m repeating this just so it isn’t lost in the sidebar.

CMB says Bush wanted to create terrorists.

You say CMB’s post is unethical and libelous. By your definition, that’s fine by me.

So, by your definition, why is it unethical and libelous? Do you say it is it unethical and libelous because it is not true? (Meaning, because the truth is that Bush did not want to create terrorists?)

Obtuse said:
Its a statement made to defame without the burden of proof.

Do you mean “without proof”? (The ‘burden of proof’ is a legal concept, that in the legal definition of ‘libel’, agrees with my interpretation.)

writer said:
People have been killing each other since mankind began. Who’d they blame before America came along?

The Jews.

Pablo said:
The Jews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY

Just_MC said:
I’m repeating this just so it isn’t lost in the sidebar.

CMB says Bush wanted to create terrorists.

You say CMB’s post is unethical and libelous. By your definition, that’s fine by me.

So, by your definition, why is it unethical and libelous? Do you say it is it unethical and libelous because it is not true? (Meaning, because the truth is that Bush did not want to create terrorists?)

Why is it unethical and libelous? Its a defamation and accusation without proof. There is no “truth.”

Hmmmm…apparently, “libel” is defined as whatever Obtuse points to screaming “libel”…

Just_MC said:
Hmmmm…apparently, “libel” is defined as whatever Obtuse points to screaming “libel”…

Where did I post that?

Pablo said:
The Jews.

Still do.

Obtuse and Just_MC . . . . get a room

Obtuse said:
Its a statement made to defame without the burden of proof.

Do you mean “It’s a statement made to defame without proof”? (The ‘burden of proof’ is a legal concept, that in the legal definition of ‘libel’, agrees with my interpretation.)

I think you need to get Armwood’s interpretation. Doesn’t he profess being a JD?

There is enough evidence out there that Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz deliberately lied about WMD’s and someday soon they will be prosecuted for treason. Too many innocent people have been killed and American soldiers have been needlessly sacrificed for what has to be the biggest foreign policy blunder in modern times. It’s also clear that sufficient warnings were given by security people both in this country and from abroad that the terrrorists were in advanced stages of planning to hijack planes for an attack on this country. You apologists can debate back and forth about this but the evidence is already there. All that is needed is a bit more time and the national will to prosecute these miserable characters.

And since the intelligence agencies were saying Iraq had WMDs while Clinton was in office, and since the Dems voted for the war resolution, we have to haul everyone in.

Penguin60 said:
I think you need to get Armwood’s interpretation. Doesn’t he profess being a JD?

He might. Some of the GA Supreme Court wanted to disbar him, but I think a crony or two must have saved him, best I can tell.

The guy’s an idiot. He’s not fit to be a judge on “The Question is Moot.”

ganymede said:
Too many innocent people have been killed and American soldiers have been needlessly sacrificed for what has to be the biggest foreign policy blunder in modern times

A significant but small war, as those things go. And it remains to be seen whether that was a foreign policy blunder. My question would be: since Sadaam used WMD against the Kurds, and Iranians, why would anyone believe that he did not have any a few years later? As it turned out, he got rid of them, apparently, as Sadaam told the world, but why would any prudent President believe that? If you say the middle eastern wars were a bad decision, then you must also be keen on Sadaam still being in power.

Hey CMB. Munich 72′, and the cold-blooded execution of 11 Israeli athletes for the simple crime of their having been dirty, dirty, Evil Joos, along with every terrorist attack thats cost the lives of thousands of other innocents of all religions, that have taken place before and following January 20, 2001. BUSH’S FAULT! Right? Or maybe they’ve all been Sarah Palin’s fault? yeah..

And I could go on, line by fking line, in fact. But I don’t feel like wasting my time, so I’ll just pick one

“* Attacked and took over two countries.”

See Billy Jeff’s having attacked Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia, without his even having Axed the UNSC for its pretty please. Much less his having gotten a declaration of war from the Congress. And we’re still There for their Oil!

Whatsmore, where was Billy’s exit strategery? And what about Somalia 93′? WTF was That!? I mean besides the standard-issue “we’ve got a Democrat President, so you can guarantee on at least One failed military mission (ala Operation Eagle Claw) during his term!”?

Stop eating paint chips, CMB.

valkyrie101 said:
A significant but small war, as those things go. And it remains to be seen whether that was a foreign policy blunder. My question would be: since Sadaam used WMD against the Kurds, and Iranians, why would anyone believe that he did not have any a few years later? As it turned out, he got rid of them, apparently, as Sadaam told the world, but why would any prudent President believe that? If you say the middle eastern wars were a bad decision, then you must also be keen on Sadaam still being in power.

Check out Scott Ritter’s book. He’ll tell you they knew full well that we knew they were gone and just wanted in. It’s pretty interesting reading.

Finally, Bush plans to do something worthwhile…disappear.

Since President Bush left office, he has been a model for others who speak out. What a class act. People who comment on this site should take after President Bush. He is courteous, and does not trash talk others.

Just_MC said:
Check out Scott Ritter’s book. He’ll tell you they knew full well that we knew they were gone and just wanted in. It’s pretty interesting reading.

Yes, and speculative.

Courteous Commentary said:
What a class act. People who comment on this site should take after President Bush. He is courteous, and does not trash talk others.

You are correct, but my guess, falling on deaf ears. Hyperbole rules on this site.

Elaine Jesmer said:
Finally, Bush plans to do something worthwhile…disappear.

I can think of a few more that should follow that advice.

I fail to see why the left didn’t embrace him the last 2 years, he was quite the big govt. big spender…No once did he whine and cry like Obama whine the left complained endlessly about him, made a movie about killing him, marched every-weekend against him ( funny how you see no protests against the wars now when obama is in office). He has more class than all the democrat presidents combined..Clinton still craves the spotlight ans Carter belong in a mental hospital..

Color Me Badd said:
* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

I needed to go no further in doing as you suggest…………….look it up. You either made up your list or took it off some anti-American website still dedicated to diverting attention away from Hussein Soetoro’ leading America to obscene debt and international weakness.

So, Badd Brain,
* Why do we not have control over either Iraq or Afghanistan if your first claim isn’t a lie?
* What surplus? The “surplus” was only a fantasy in a 15 year projection. Lie #2
* The biggest annual deficit in history was last year at 1.5 Trillion, courtesy of Hussein Soetoro. The worst budget deficit in the Bush administration was slightly over 400 Billion in ’04. Maybe the worst lie of all, but how do we decide?

Considering the first 3 items on your list, the rest can only benefit from printing and lining the bottom of the bird cage.

You don’t really seem like a stupid person, Badd. Doesn’t it give you some pause having to make up crap like this to “justify” yourself?

99.999% of the comments here are off topic ramblings. Do any of you have any idea
what the original subject was?

My opinion is that this man will be shown by history; not a bunch of near illiterate web
rats. To be one of the best Presidents the USA has had. Most of you have swallowed
whole the anti-Bush line being fed to you by the site you frequent. Try reading something
outside your comfort level for a change. You might learn something. You remember learning
don’t you? That’s where you gather a number of facts from differing sources and you make up
your own mind.
The brain is a muscle if you don’t use it, it will atrophy.

OMG! Let us pray!!!

Courteous Commentary said:
Since President Bush left office, he has been a model for others who speak out. What a class act. People who comment on this site should take after President Bush. He is courteous, and does not trash talk others.

Except for everthing he did to destroy the Constitution and involve us in undeclared wars. And spend us into ruin. And advance toward a police state at home.

But as far as keeping his mouth kinda shut since leaving, I agree that’s been classy.

TCinAZ said:
Hey CMB. Munich 72′, and the cold-blooded execution of 11 Israeli athletes for the simple crime of their having been dirty, dirty, Evil Joos, along with every terrorist attack thats cost the lives of thousands of other innocents of all religions, that have taken place before and following January 20, 2001. BUSH’S FAULT! Right? Or maybe they’ve all been Sarah Palin’s fault? yeah..

And I could go on, line by fking line, in fact. But I don’t feel like wasting my time, so I’ll just pick one

“* Attacked and took over two countries.”

See Billy Jeff’s having attacked Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia, without his even having Axed the UNSC for its pretty please. Much less his having gotten a declaration of war from the Congress. And we’re still There for their Oil!

Whatsmore, where was Billy’s exit strategery? And what about Somalia 93′? WTF was That!? I mean besides the standard-issue “we’ve got a Democrat President, so you can guarantee on at least One failed military mission (ala Operation Eagle Claw) during his term!”?

Stop eating paint chips, CMB.

Than k You..
Lefties know full well that(if anything) THEY ARE guilty of the accusations/BS they spew.
It is a deflection tactic to accuse others, play he said she said in the end
if they get caught ,it’s all a wash…

History will show,BUSH WAS 100% correct.Saddam had to go,
AND the people in ME want their freedom. As we clearly see today.

Bronco46 said:
99.999% of the comments here are off topic ramblings. Do any of you have any ideawhat the original subject was? My opinion is that this man will be shown by history; not a bunch of near illiterate webrats. To be one of the best Presidents the USA has had. Most of you have swallowedwhole the anti-Bush line being fed to you by the site you frequent. Try reading somethingoutside your comfort level for a change. You might learn something. You remember learningdon’t you? That’s where you gather a number of facts from differing sources and you make upyour own mind.The brain is a muscle if you don’t use it, it will atrophy.

Are you a fan of the Constitution?

George Bush did astonishing harm to the Constitution, this country, many other countries, and we have hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed to show for it. And a lot of well-earned hatred for the USA.

Just_MC said:
Are you a fan of the Constitution? George Bush did astonishing harm to the Constitution, this country, many other countries, and we have hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed to show for it. And a lot of well-earned hatred for the USA.

So you would prefer Sadaam still in power, selling oil for weapons?

valkyrie101 said:
So you would prefer Sadaam still in power, selling oil for weapons?

Yes. What do I care? Sovereign nations are just that. Let them sort out their own affairs. If we respected liberty at home, left the world alone and traded peacefully, not only would damned few have cause to hate us, but we’d be economically strong enough to defend ourselves from anything.

Just_MC said:
Yes. What do I care? Sovereign nations are just that. Let them sort out their own affairs. If we respected liberty at home, left the world alone and traded peacefully, not only would damned few have cause to hate us, but we’d be economically strong enough to defend ourselves from anything.

Yes, the kind of isolationism that tells every two bit dictator that the only thing America cares about is making money.

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, the kind of isolationism that tells every two bit dictator that the only thing America cares about is making money.

We tried isolationism before WW1 and WW2 and all it got us was world wars and a hundred million dead people.

valkyrie101 said:
We tried isolationism before WW1 and WW2 and all it got us was world wars and a hundred million dead people.

You have it EXACTLY backwards.

Any of you watch the full interview? It was good. Bush speaks against the “-isms” that persisted in the 20′s. Isolationism, Protectionism and Nativism. He said he feared we are going back to that environment with the current political climate. He’s right! I wouldn’t want to be associated with the present day Teapublicans either.

Good to hear.

tiredofbs said:
Than k You..
Lefties know full well that(if anything) THEY ARE guilty of the accusations/BS they spew.
It is a deflection tactic to accuse others, play he said she said in the end
if they get caught ,it’s all a wash

You’re welcome, and my Pleasure, tiredofbs. But look, almost every President in my lifetime has done the undeclared war thing. From LBJ’s getting ‘surgey’ with the undeclared war Vietnam that Kennedy started, but the Dems waited for Nixon to call His War, to then Reagan’s going into Grenada, to H.W’s. going into Panama, to Dubya’s going into Iraq.

So it’s just the Dems, Not I, Holier-than-Thou BS that I’ve been hearing all of my life, or that when They’ve done the Same, that it was different then. That it was for a greater good. So those were righteous kinda killings, you see? I mean, gimme a f’king Break already, would you Please Dems!? Because I was 8-years-old when Nixon signed the Paris Agreement in 73′! So I obviously had to learn about it later in life, and had to read between the BS lines about why it became “his war”, when all He was doing was trying to Win it, and clean up the mess that the Last two had made there.

And btw, that’s Also why you won’t hear me criticize Obama on Afghanistan, except for that cute “air raiding villages and killing civilians” comment that he made a couple years back, of course (which was an A-hole thing to say, even for a Democrat), because the mess in Afghanistan goes all the way back to Carter and Primarily, back to This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnV_pNe_BB0 Transylvanian (or close enough) Loser, who I could only find that video of, amongst the Troofer loons… Lovin’ the irony there too.

Just_MC said:
Are you a fan of the Constitution?
George Bush did astonishing harm to the Constitution

We are in agreement again MC, even though I tried to justify the Patriot Act at the time. Thomas Jefferson (or was it Benjamin Franklin) said it best: Those who would sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither.

In defense of many–hindsight is always 20/20.

Why didn’t he do that BEFORE he f@*ked up the country. Same as all the rest of the GOP presidents get in, get as much money as they can for themselves and their friends, then get out and hide in the rat holes they came from.