Geraldo cannot be more wrong. He and others Lefty pundits are only looking stupid in trying to blame Palin and typical political discourse for this shooting. This will make Palin looks stronger and by the end of today as more info about the shooter comes to light.

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It’s DISTURBING that Dupnik is a sheriff!
he should lose his badge!

Colby, I don’t want to be picayune, but why did you use the passive voice in the following:

“His comments made shortly after the tragedy were seen by some as unnecessarily political. “?

Isn’t one of the great and abiding subthemes here why some on the right immediately assumed that the good sheriff, whose remarks regarding vitriol and the sad state of our discourse were notably non-ideological and non-partisan, and immediately launched into the shrillest of defensive modes?

To the extent that a sheriff or any law enforcement officer might have a crime prevention role, and I recognize many argue that the role is simply criminal investigation and interdiction, that seems to me to be highly appropriate.

Atticus Draco said:
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It’s DISTURBING that Dupnik is a sheriff!
he should lose his badge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

Megan respectfully interviewed him, with her legal mind in tact; Heraldo on the other hand, ignored his own legal background and went straight for the vitriol

No surprises there. A journolist, in Megan and an opinionator in Heraldo.

Heraldo is not helping the situation with his own vitriol and he should be told to cease and desist.

The Sherrif needs to be removed from the case; he has tainted himself and it, just like the Duke LaCrosse guy, Nifong.

Fire the Sherrif, remove him from the case. Tell Heraldo to grow up and stop blaming Palin and the right for the outrageous behavior of this kid, who clearly suffers from mental disorder.

TfT said:
The Sherrif needs to be removed from the case; he has tainted himself and it, just like the Duke LaCrosse guy, Nifong

EXACTLY!

When will you people posting on here stop blaming others and take responsibility for your own behavior?? You are like children in that you attack olthers and use that as an excuse for YOUR behavior. We all need to grown uo! You can’t change anyone else but you can change your own behavior.

The Real Royal King said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

lol,, one of my favs

TfT said:
Megan respectfully interviewed him, with her legal mind in tact; Heraldo on the other hand, ignored his own legal background and went straight for the vitriol

No surprises there. A journolist, in Megan and an opinionator in Heraldo.

Heraldo is not helping the situation with his own vitriol and he should be told to cease and desist.

The Sherrif needs to be removed from the case; he has tainted himself and it, just like the Duke LaCrosse guy, Nifong.

Fire the Sherrif, remove him from the case. Tell Heraldo to grow up and stop blaming Palin and the right for the outrageous behavior of this kid, who clearly suffers from mental disorder.

Might I point out that the good sheriff is not only a very wise man, but also an elected official? You seem to be inordinately prickly, even for you. I’ve noticed that so many with a rightist perspective have been so about this. The good sheriff was speaking of a phenomenon and was not of an ideological nor partisan perspective. I find it so very telling that you and others of a rightist perspective have inferred otherwise.

Aren’t the same media who rushed in to blame Sarahy Palin, Tea Partiers, and Conservatives for the actions of a “LEFT-WING POTHEAD” (according to the shooter’s friend) the exact same media who urged us all to avoid noticing who was at blame in the Ft. Hood Muslim attack? Yep……….the exact same ones, in concert with the exact same Democrat Party.

Bush was demonized by these people who campaigned without offering superior vision for America. It worked. Now, they hope to repeat the same “4th-down and long” long shot with the same tactic of rushing to condemn their most “terrifying” foes……………Truth, Sarah Palin, Tea Partiers, and FOX News. Notice that again these cancerous tumors avoid using any “vision” or “policy” they consider better than their opponents………. just personal attacks droned on and on in effort to blame Conservatives for the disastrous results of their own Democrat policy.

DemoCrits are hoping their “base” of will gather around them if they again stir-up elements of their pet Dims……………….hatred and envy. That might again be the substitute for substance. Hey! What a great title for the ongoing DemoCrit campaign: “SUBSTITUTE for SUBSTANCE.” I like it.

Can anyone here, or anyone who participates in American political discussion, say definitively, that this shooting happened as a direct result of the Congresswoman’s views and politics and/or the influence of politics on the shooter?

Has evidenced been produced that demonstrates cleary the shooter decided to pick up his gun, go to the Safeway and unload it at the Congresswoman because he disagreed with her political views?

oops. *clearly* was misspelled.

Davo said:
Aren’t the same media who rushed in to blame Sarahy Palin, Tea Partiers, and Conservatives for the actions of a “LEFT-WING POTHEAD” (according to the shooter’s friend) the exact same media who urged us all to avoid noticing who was at blame in the Ft. Hood Muslim attack? Yep……….the exact same ones, in concert with the exact same Democrat Party.

Bush was demonized by these people who campaigned without offering superior vision for America. It worked. Now, they hope to repeat the same “4th-down and long” long shot with the same tactic of rushing to condemn their most “terrifying” foes……………Truth, Sarah Palin, Tea Partiers, and FOX News. Notice that again these cancerous tumors avoid using any “vision” or “policy” they consider better than their opponents………. just personal attacks droned on and on in effort to blame Conservatives for the disastrous results of their own Democrat policy.

DemoCrits are hoping their “base” of will gather around them if they again stir-up elements of their pet Dims……………….hatred and envy. That might again be the substitute for substance. Hey! What a great title for the ongoing DemoCrit campaign: “SUBSTITUTE for SUBSTANCE.” I like it.

I guess you got your talking points from the tea party, blaming it on liberals. The Atlantic has caught you in the act.

“Showing no sign of tamping down on divisive political rhetoric in the wake of the shooting of 20 people that left six dead in Tuscon Saturday, the Tea Party Nation group e-mailed its members Sunday warning them they would be called upon to fight leftists in the days ahead and defend their movement.

TPN founder Judson Phillips, in an article linked off the e-mail “The shooting of Gabrielle Giffords and the left’s attack on the Tea Party movement,” described the shooter as “a leftist lunatic” and Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik as a “leftist sheriff” who “was one of the first to start in on the liberal attack.” Phillips urged tea party supporters to blame liberals for the attack on centrist Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, who was shot through the head and is now fighting for her life, as a means of defending the tea party movement’s recent electoral gains.

“The hard left is going to try and silence the Tea Party movement by blaming us for this,” he wrote. Clinton used the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to “blame conservative talk radio, especially Rush Limbaugh” and “The tactic worked then, backing conservatives off and possibly helping to ensure a second Clinton term.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/tea-party-group-blames-leftist-for-giffords-shooting/69153

The Real Royal King said:
The good sheriff was speaking of a phenomenon and was not of an ideological nor partisan perspective

“When you have people like Sharron Angle in Las Vegas running against Harry Reid making outrageous statements such as ‘we may need to resort to taking the second amendment into certain cases’, and for people like Sarah Palin to say ‘we have people like Gabby Giffords in our cross hairs’, I think those statements are totally irresponsible and they’re not without consequences and I think we may be seeing the fruit of it here. “

I tend to think that was enumeration and not limitation.

So, do I take it you believe there is no causal connection?

The Real Royal King said:
The good sheriff was speaking of a phenomenon and was not of an ideological nor partisan perspective.

rest assured,, Sheriff Dupnik will be TARGETED as a left leaning hack

Geraldo — People Are In Denial’ To Suggest Irrelevance Of Political Climate In Arizona

Nobody is denying any irrelevance of the political Climate. In fact that is what people fear the most. A powder keg just waiting to go off. Then comes along the good Sheriff lighting fuses and acting like he has done nothing wrong! Shame on him…..

Geraldo is a pro amnesty for illegal aliens hack. He’ll say anything to malign the State of Arizona because the officials there have finally started to do something about the illegal alien problem.

Sorry TRRK, but the Sherrif was completely unprofessional in what he said; he called out Angle and Palin and blamed them for this circumstance.

That is HIS OWN vitriol – in the form of his “opinion”. He made these statements without truth or fact, just complete at total Bull Shit. He deserves to be shunned for them and criticized up the yazoo, and that is exactly what is happening now.

All of those idiots who blamed Palin, Beck et al (like this Sherrif, like JEraldo, like Olbermann, like the politico guy, like CNN and MSNBC and ABCCBSNBC) should be forced to issue apologies and tell their viewing audience that they allowed their own PDS and CDS to impact their ability to report this event from a factual perspective.

Fire Katie, Brian, Dianne, and anyone else who blamed Palin for this, and gave a complete and utter pass to any all democrats, including hehimself who told his followers to “bring a gun to the fight”.

This bias of the left needs to be stopped and everyone, left and right, needs to condemn these lefty liberal loons who claim the mantel of “journolism” when all they do is spew hatred and lies.

In something like this, where lives have been taken, how can you assume a causal connection? Unless he(the shooter) states “I wanted to kill her because…” then everything is conjecture and speculation and unprovable. And even more inflammatory.

The Real Royal King said:
I tend to think that was enumeration and not limitation.

So, do I take it you believe there is no causal connection?

Do you have any evidence that the shooter were even aware of those statements ?

No ? Neither does the sheriff who is going around speculating .

The AP is reporting that this guy is a 9/11 truther. Does the Sheriff have anything to say about that, or does it just not fit his liberal template?

‘Notsofast’ is also in denial. I showed him complete rhetoric from Glenn Beck and he continue to defend his fear mongering. ‘Notsofast’ is only one of many conservatives who turn a blind eye to conservative doomsday talk. Rachel Maddow warn you conservatives months ago about an event such as the recent shooting. I remember many of your comments, just another crazy liberal, right? Maybe if you conservatives would have pressure your political figure heads to tone the crazy talk down the shooting may have never happen. ‘Reload’ right sister Sarah? Liberals are taking over, is that right Glenn Beck? Rush is the original and he continues to march on to his piggy bank.

ImJustDamnAwful, are you privy to some evidence that we are not? I have seen nothing that points to this guys motive. I have heard reports that he was a radical leftist (by a friend) and the AP is reporting that he is a 9/11 truther, an atheist and a pothead. To me, that doesn’t really scream tea-partier.

Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has quickly become an important character in the developing narrative surrounding the tragic shooting in a Tuscon area Safeway that killed 6 individuals and put Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in critical condition. His comments made shortly after the tragedy were seen by some as unnecessarily political.

Anyone who doesn’t see them as unnecessarily political. If he were anyone other then the Sheriff running the department that is leading the investigation, he would be afforded some latitude. The top cop investigating any crime should not be running to every camera he can find to denounce the political climate. That is doubly true when, as the Sheriff admits, there is no evidence at all that this madman was influenced at all by partisan rhetoric. There is abundant evidence that Loughner is just plain crazy. The head of an investigatory agency does not responsibly take to the air to engage in wild ass speculation, coupled with moralistic hectoring, especially when they’re still cleaning up the blood.

“TfT says: Fire Katie, Brian, Dianne, and anyone else who blamed Palin for this…” No. They’re entitled to their opinion just as much as she is, and their rhetoric even if inflammatory is just as valid. If somehow you think their opinion/thought process requires a violent response, or in fact any response that prevents them from making those statements, then we have other issues. The “you” is not meant to be subjective, but objective by the way.

murf said:
“When you have people like Sharron Angle in Las Vegas running against Harry Reid making outrageous statements such as ‘we may need to resort to taking the second amendment into certain cases’, and for people like Sarah Palin to say ‘we have people like Gabby Giffords in our cross hairs’, I think those statements are totally irresponsible and they’re not without consequences and I think we may be seeing the fruit of it here. ”

He also said something like “both parties used to work together, despite their differences, and get things done. Now one party is blocking another party that is trying to make this a better country”. He also talked about how “when millions of dollars are filtered into this country to buy very vitriolic ads, and they don’t have to identified, the countries that they’re coming from or the people who are donating them.”

According to people who knew the shooter he was a 9/11 truther, you know like Van Jones;

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gutbUc8KWEv3iMUewPN445D4uSYw?docId=c09a07a17e1b4aaa82815779cbf6f758

“Mistrust of government was Loughner’s defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11″

Davo said:
Aren’t the same media who rushed in to blame Sarahy Palin, Tea Partiers, and Conservatives for the actions of a “LEFT-WING POTHEAD” (according to the shooter’s friend) the exact same media who urged us all to avoid noticing who was at blame in the Ft. Hood Muslim attack? Yep……….the exact same ones, in concert with the exact same Democrat Party.

Bush was demonized by these people who campaigned without offering superior vision for America. It worked. Now, they hope to repeat the same “4th-down and long” long shot with the same tactic of rushing to condemn their most “terrifying” foes……………Truth, Sarah Palin, Tea Partiers, and FOX News. Notice that again these cancerous tumors avoid using any “vision” or “policy” they consider better than their opponents………. just personal attacks droned on and on in effort to blame Conservatives for the disastrous results of their own Democrat policy.

DemoCrits are hoping their “base” of will gather around them if they again stir-up elements of their pet Dims……………….hatred and envy. That might again be the substitute for substance. Hey! What a great title for the ongoing DemoCrit campaign: “SUBSTITUTE for SUBSTANCE.” I like it.

That’s a common, and I think an intentional misperception oft raised to deflect attention for those things that make those of a rightist perspective uncomfortable, don’t you? Wasn’t the delay in making judgment in the Fort Hood matter a concern that we were labeling a crime as an act of terrorism before we knew it to be one. It seems to me that under the hideous and offensive Patriot Act that has some consequences about which we must be certain.

In the instant matter, the good sheriff’s remarks were timely and condemned generic actions and demeanors, not a particular perspective.

Again, I really think that you of a rightist perspective are inflicting some injury upon yourselves by these increasingly shrill and preemptive defenses. I’m not hearing assignment of blame, but only examples of vitriolic comments and inappropriate actions. I’m certainly not willing to conclude any culpability to Ms. Angle or Ms. Palin in the shootings. I am willing to say that these self-serving, intemperate people have caused a general coarsening of our public discourse and could have better presented their political arguments. But the same can be said across the political and ideological perspective. As it is, you all seem like children who spewing and screaming forth pronouncements of your innocence before charges of misconduct have even been leveled. Given that, don’t you think it might seem to others that your protestations seem to indicate profound guilty feelings if not factual culpability?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
ImJustDamnAwful, are you privy to some evidence that we are not? I have seen nothing that points to this guys motive.

I have. He’s nuts, and he seems to have had a fixation on Giffords for years.

What we have here is a whole lot of lunatics who think that because they’re obsessed with Sarah Palin, all of the other lunatics must be too. So, when one of them snaps, what else could it be other than Sarah Palin?

NRO has some good imagery of politicians (including the injured here) firing their own guns and posing for adverts, etc., in the support of guns.

PErhaps the Sherrif will now blame the democrats who posed with these guns and claimed “dead aim”, etc., as contributing factors to the shooting.

Hey, after all it was hehimself who told his followers to “bring their gun” to the fight against their “enemies”.

Obama has done more harm to this country than any President in history, with his own vitriolic veriage….after all he is the one who claimed political oponents are “the enemy”.

Let’s blame Obama — it carries as much weight as blaming Palin.

Stupid liberal biased media – how unprofessional and irresponsible of them. Bunch of lefty idiots.

Tft says:

Let’s blame Obama — it carries as much weight as blaming Palin.

Well, he did tell his peeps to bring a gun to the battle. Of course, I’m a thinking person and don’t think he meant that literally, but since these loons on the left are willing to take Palin’s words so literally, maybe we should too.

The shooter had a Satanic ritual in his back yard;

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html

Now that Michelle-in-Utah has at long last awakened and begun hurling debris about, I think we have all the proof we need to conclude that yes, indeed, those of a rightist and extreme rightist perspective have profound guilt now manifest in shrill defenses and moronic deflections. Please, that guilt is not really necessary at this point, and I should think it will not be so. At worst, you have been intemperate as I have been at times. We need to learn and to grow from this experience. Denial and deflection are not good signs that you recognize this.

The Real Royal King said:
That’s a common, and I think an intentional misperception oft raised to deflect attention for those things that make those of a rightist perspective uncomfortable, don’t you? Wasn’t the delay in making judgment in the Fort Hood matter a concern that we were labeling a crime as an act of terrorism before we knew it to be one. It seems to me that under the hideous and offensive Patriot Act that has some consequences about which we must be certain.

In the instant matter, the good sheriff’s remarks were timely and condemned generic actions and demeanors, not a particular perspective.

Again, I really think that you of a rightist perspective are inflicting some injury upon yourselves by these increasingly shrill and preemptive defenses. I’m not hearing assignment of blame, but only examples of vitriolic comments and inappropriate actions. I’m certainly not willing to conclude any culpability to Ms. Angle or Ms. Palin in the shootings. I am willing to say that these self-serving, intemperate people have caused a general coarsening of our public discourse and could have better presented their political arguments. But the same can be said across the political and ideological perspective. As it is, you all seem like children who spewing and screaming forth pronouncements of your innocence before charges of misconduct have even been leveled. Given that, don’t you think it might seem to others that your protestations seem to indicate profound guilty feelings if not factual culpability?

This post is just ridden with contradictions , hypocrisy , and irony it’s not even worth a response.

TfT said:
NRO has some good imagery of politicians (including the injured here) firing their own guns and posing for adverts, etc., in the support of guns.

PErhaps the Sherrif will now blame the democrats who posed with these guns and claimed “dead aim”, etc., as contributing factors to the shooting.

Hey, after all it was hehimself who told his followers to “bring their gun” to the fight against their “enemies”.

Obama has done more harm to this country than any President in history, with his own vitriolic veriage….after all he is the one who claimed political oponents are “the enemy”.

Let’s blame Obama — it carries as much weight as blaming Palin.

Stupid liberal biased media – how unprofessional and irresponsible of them. Bunch of lefty idiots.

The one positive thing about this is that maybe now the entire world will see how violent and hateful people like Sarah Palin and the tea party are. Maybe we as a country will be able to move on and leave the violent anti americans in the tea party to history where they belong.

Geraldo is a left-wing loon. It has been proven beyond a doubt that the shooter was INSANE. No “atmosphere of hate” had anything to do with this shooting. The libs always try to pull this crap and once again they have made themselves look stupid.

And just what do you think I’m feeling guilty about, Royal Pain in the Butt?

As came to light during the immigration debates and In the videos, the Sheriff was elected on the Democratic Party ticket; he has been re-elected since first having time in the national spotlight and he serves a liberal district. Therefore, there’s no question that he has an ideology.

In the snip of Kyl that Geraldo used and in a couple of previous comments, some have used phrasing similar to “we’ve (or I’ve) seen no evidence…”. Now, not to be a stickler for details and admittedly he has a history of enjoying the spotlight, but wouldn’t it stand to reason that the Sheriff may have seen something that Jon Kyl or a random internet commenter located a thousand miles away has not?

As for the segment which forms the basis of the clip, I think Geraldo did a fine job as an opinion host to make certain that the disagreeing constituency’s claims were considered and he wrapped it up, as fair and balanced as he could.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Tft says:

Let’s blame Obama — it carries as much weight as blaming Palin.

Well, he did tell his peeps to bring a gun to the battle. Of course, I’m a thinking person and don’t think he meant that literally, but since these loons on the left are willing to take Palin’s words so literally, maybe we should too.

Is the MSM pushing the Obama or Daily Kos was to blame? NO…they were blaming all of the Liberal “Narratives” made up against Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Tea Party, and the Immigration debate in Arizona…yet he went to a Democratic function held by the congresswoman in 2007 and had a letter by her in 2007 in his safe.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Tft says:

Let’s blame Obama — it carries as much weight as blaming Palin.

Well, he did tell his peeps to bring a gun to the battle. Of course, I’m a thinking person and don’t think he meant that literally, but since these loons on the left are willing to take Palin’s words so literally, maybe we should too.

Utterly nasty, as always, and more interested in diverting and deflecting than in dealing honestly with a cultural problem we have, Michelle-in-Utah. How I would have enjoyed your joining with other Americans who are willing to learn and grow by admitting that our own personality hostility played some measure in this ultimate hostile act. But, that would require accountability, wouldn’t it? Much easier I suppose to bash, divert and deflect.

According to people who knew the shooter he was a 9/11 truther, you know like Van Jones;

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gutbUc8KWEv3iMUewPN445D4uSYw?docId=c09a07a17e1b4aaa82815779cbf6f758

“Mistrust of government was Loughner’s defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11″

The shooter had a Satanic ritual in his back yard;

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html

And you are in denial of the existence of mental illness- just look at the lib posters on Mediaite for proof.

I think those statements are totally irresponsible and they’re not without consequences and I think we may be seeing the fruit of it here. ”

Again, this is from the cop in charge of this investigation. There is absolutely no reason nor excuse for remarks like that from Dupnik when they’re entirely speculative.

murf said:
This post is just ridden with contradictions , hypocrisy , and irony it’s not even worth a response.

So, why did you respond.

gordonbloyershow said:
Geraldo is a left-wing loon. It has been proven beyond a doubt that the shooter was INSANE. No “atmosphere of hate” had anything to do with this shooting. The libs always try to pull this crap and once again they have made themselves look stupid.

Nothing has been proven yet Marceaux, I mean Blower. No evidence has even been presented.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
And just what do you think I’m feeling guilty about, Royal Pain in the Butt?

That’s my point, Michelle-in-Utah. You have embraced non-accountability. You are never responsible, directly or indirectly, head-on or tangentially for anything. You are incapable of learning or improving, but you devalue knowledge and you believe you are already perfect. I see little hope for you if Saturday’s events left you unaffected.

Royal Pain in the Butt says:

How I would have enjoyed your joining with other Americans who are willing to learn and grow by admitting that our own personality hostility played some measure in this ultimate hostile act.

Ah spoken like a true lib. Who can we blame other than the murderer? Terrorists blow up buildings and kill 3000 innocents and the left asks, what did awful America do to drive this poor soul to murder? The left needs to learn to embrace personal responsibility and stop blaming everyone else but who deserves it.

The Real Royal King said:
How I would have enjoyed your joining with other Americans who are willing to learn and grow by admitting that our own personality hostility played some measure in this ultimate hostile act.

You clearly haven’t taken that lesson. Which is good, because as vile as you are, you had exactly nothing to do with this crime. While you could do the world a favor by straightening yourself out, it wouldn’t have changed a whit of what went on in Jared Loughner’s head.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Let’s blame Obama — it carries as much weight as blaming Palin.

Why not; he did say opponents were his enemies. Surely this kind of rhetoric caused the shooter to snap. I know this to be true because a sheriff lives next door to me and he has experience in this matters and that’s what he believes.

The killer was a marxist.

you are already perfect.

If you knew me as well as you pretend to, you would know that couldn’t be further from the truth.

I see little hope for you if Saturday’s events left you unaffected.

Oh I was affected. I was mortified that this could happen. But unlike you libs, I place the blame where it belongs, on the murderer. I’m not trying to make political points over it like your side. What your side is doing is utterly disgusting, in my humble opinion.

” Latin2 says: The shooter had a Satanic ritual in his back yard”

This story that you linked too, is riddled with such speculative nonsense and BS as to be laughable. “Experts who are familiar with the Occult”….OMG, why do you suscribe to this game of passing along hearsay and BS. I heard my neighbor mumbling to herself, she might be a killer. By the way, I didn’t see one word of Satanic mentioned. Could be wrong. I’ll admit that. Because I’m a logical person.

I know everyone…here on these Posts…lets all start hunting down and killing anyone who disagrees with us (thats Sarcasm), labeling them as un-American, and turning in our neighbors who might have un-American thoughts. (American being defined as the party currently in power.)

notsofast said:
And you are in denial of the existence of mental illness- just look at the lib posters on Mediaite for proof.

That is because Liberalism IS a mental illness. They are delusional and can’t the truth even though it is right in front of their eyes. They also have a tendency to not live in reality and tend to blame others for their own problems., and cant think for themselves.

Olby Sucks said:
The killer was a marxist.

Actually, I think he was a fan of the Ritz brothers.

Olby Sucks said:
The killer was a marxist.

…and a RADICAL LIBERAL LEFTIST…so said a high school acquaintance. Plus a 9/11 truther.

The Real Royal King said:
Again, I really think that you of a rightist perspective are inflicting some injury upon yourselves by these increasingly shrill and preemptive defenses.

Thanks for your concern. But I think we can handle ourselves without “help” from the Left.

The Real Royal King said: I’m not hearing assignment of blame, but only examples of vitriolic comments and inappropriate actions. As it is, you all seem like children who spewing and screaming forth pronouncements of your innocence before charges of misconduct have even been leveled. Given that, don’t you think it might seem to others that your protestations seem to indicate profound guilty feelings if not factual culpability?

You must have been gone on a weekend fishing trip, or maybe just passed out from too much beer and football. Early yesterday Democrats were deployed to launch their desparate attempts to place complete blame for the shootings on Sarah Palin, Tea Partiers, FOX News, and Conservatives in general. Just check this very site for shameless attacks by Dick Durbin, Paul Kruger, Keith Obhermann, and a host of Democrat operatives.

Sorry for your confusion. Stick with the Conservatives here and you will be kept in the loop.

Socrates69 said:
This story that you linked too, is riddled with such speculative nonsense

Kind of like the sheriff’s speculation , eh?

Latin says:

That is because Liberalism IS a mental illness. They are delusional and can’t the truth even though it is right in front of their eyes

Well experts say that 20% of the population is mentally ill. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that 20% also consider themselves libs.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
But unlike you libs, I place the blame where it belongs, on the murderer.

That is a lie, Michelle-in-Utah, an outright lie. No one. NO ONE. NO O N E. No one has suggested that the shootist is in any sense not responsible.

You’ve really lost it on this, haven’t you?

Perhaps, you should back out of these discussions. You’re certainly not advancing your hyper-ideological cause as it is.

The people the killer targeted weren’t far left enough for him so he took them out.

Latin2 said:
Plus a 9/11 truther.

Like Napolitano, FOX’s go to man on legal matters.

Olby Sucks said:
The killer was a marxist.

How appropriate, Jeff, following an assassination attempt, you should return with nothing to offer. When might we expect your usual call to violence to be forthcoming?

Almost immediately after news broke, the reasons behind the tragedy became some sort of political football:

Colby, you’re confusing the reasons behind this tragedy with the lunatic blood libel that the tragedy unleashed. The two have no connection other than the wounded and dead.

“Latin2 says:…and a RADICAL LIBERAL LEFTIST…so said a high school acquaintance. Plus a 9/11 truther.”

Latin2, you’ve become my new favorite idiot on Mediaite. “so said a high school acquaintance”. I have real evidence that you spout speculative BS…see the difference between facts and conjecture.

Quit talking and posting till you actually can comment on tangible facts.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Latin says:

That is because Liberalism IS a mental illness. They are delusional and can’t the truth even though it is right in front of their eyes

Well experts say that 20% of the population is mentally ill. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that 20% also consider themselves libs.

Nasty. NASTY. N A S T Y. You know nothing else.

That is a lie, Michelle-in-Utah, an outright lie. No one. NO ONE. NO O N E. No one has suggested that the shootist is in any sense not responsible.

You haven’t been paying attention, moron. A Dem operative told Politico that it will be a concentrated effort to blame Palin and the Tea Party for this.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Latin says:

That is because Liberalism IS a mental illness. They are delusional and can’t the truth even though it is right in front of their eyes

Well experts say that 20% of the population is mentally ill. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that 20% also consider themselves libs.

LOL…so true…so true.

Hey Obama joked that the jonas bros should be killed by a predator drone. If something happens to them, can we blame obama?

This sheriff reminds of BOSS HOGG the sheriff on the Dukes of Hazard, but at least that sheriff had more brains.

Latin2, you’ve become my new favorite idiot on Mediaite. “so said a high school acquaintance”. I have real evidence that you spout speculative BS…see the difference between facts and conjecture.

Quit talking and posting till you actually can comment on tangible facts.

In other words, we only want to hear speculation that points to palin and the tea-party as the cause.

Seems weird that the son of Floyd Abrams who is one of the 1st Amendments greatest champions, runs a website that censors speech they disagree with.

“notsofast says: Kind of like the sheriff’s speculation , eh?”

You know, as much as I generally dislike your posts, yeah, I agree. Just like the Sheriff. He got in front of cameras, and made his opinion public. If Latin2 had stated that his opinion was the guy was a Satanist…I might have less issue with it.

Yes, and it was all that hateful the partisan rhetoric that cause that student to kill all those students at Va. Tech.

Oh, that was in 2007 before the partisan rhetoric started.

Never mind.

TfT said:
loons who claim the mantel of “journolism” when all they do is spew hatred and lies

Fox and all of its cronies have spewed all of the hate we see here and now that someone has done something so horrific of course blame is going to be placed.

Socrates69 said:
You know, as much as I generally dislike your posts, yeah, I agree

You love my posts. Stop your denial.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Latin2, you’ve become my new favorite idiot on Mediaite. “so said a high school acquaintance”. I have real evidence that you spout speculative BS…see the difference between facts and conjecture.

Quit talking and posting till you actually can comment on tangible facts.

In other words, we only want to hear speculation that points to palin and the tea-party as the cause.

Oh really…apparently Mediaite AND ABC news had that high school acquaintance in their stories. Proving you are a BIGGEST DUMBA$$. You just proved you are one big dumb sh*t

But i also understand that Mediaite and other media outlets want to stoke the flames of violence, It was very telling last week when a comment on a story about two gay groups battling each other asked who wins and one of the Mediaite staff said “the media”.

That is basically it in a nutshell, the media doesn’t make money when people are getting along to in order to sell advertising they have to pit us against each other. If it bleeds it leads, right.

I hope that when our country reflects on what happened on Saturday, that we can all agree tea partiers and liberals alike that the media has stoked this fire and it is in danger of burning down the entire house.

Latin2 said:
The shooter had a Satanic ritual in his back yard;

Latin2 said:
According to people who knew the shooter he was a 9/11 truther, you know like Van Jones;

Max Read on Gawker has aggregated a handful of links that says, he may have also been referencing the teaching of a fellow who claims that if you put a punctuation mark in your name, you become a prepositional phrase and avoid taxes.

An obsession over names might also help explain the spree because reportedly, the letter thanking him for stopping by a 2007 appearance just like the one where she was shot misspelled his name.

The Democratic Sheriff may have found a way to keep his portion of the spotlight by fanning Fox and MSNBC, now that the FBI has become the lead agency and state charges may never be filed, but to be fair, there are lots of variations on extremist political beliefs and though don’t all fit in a right/left box.

Box of Rox,
Around 24 hours ago I asked you libs to post this hateful, violence inciting rhetoric by FOX, Beck, or Limbaugh and so far nada. Care to take a stab?

“Seeing 2012 From My Window says: In other words, we only want to hear speculation that points to palin and the tea-party as the cause.”

Funny how that phrase works…”in other words”, because its not really true. Because I never used those words. I never said anything about Palin, or actually think that its fair to say that its her fault. Please read my initial post. Just because she says something stupid doesn’t mean someone should act on it.

Shooter Was Leftwing, Anarchist

ROCKSTEADY said:
Fox and all of its cronies have spewed all of the hate we see here and now that someone has done something so horrific of course blame is going to be placed.

Sorry, son, as you and the King have pointed out less than 1% of the population watches FOX, so it is highly unlikely that this guy did either.

Olby Sucks said:
Shooter Was Leftwing, Anarchist

…and according to AP a 9/11 truther.

Olby Sucks said:
Shooter Was Leftwing, Anarchist

Shooter was a nut.

While I tend to agree that the Sheriff was out of line in his comments, I am more astounded at the assumption by some that he meant conservatives. Look closely at his statement. He doesn’t identify one side or the other. Then look at who is ultra-defensive here.

I blame both sides equally for this endless cycle of anger and hate. For those on either side that disagree, look at the comments above. Insults, anger, belittling comments and the like. From BOTH sides.

Seriously, everyone just shut up for 5 minutes and pay attention. Palin and Obama are equally responsible for the horrifying level of anger and hate in what is laughingly called political discourse.

Libleralism is a mental illness? Seriously? That is the response? To laughingly fling insults around immediately? Same for those who automatically insult conservatives? They are just folks with their own opinions, which, in the new 24 hour media driven hate cycle, are no longer respected.

Grow up, people!

“notsofast says: You love my posts. Stop your denial.”

Your right again, sometimes they make me laugh out loud.

Magister says: ,,,
Just thanks for using logic and reason.

Olby Sucks said:
Shooter Was Leftwing, Anarchist

Fully conversant in Mein Kapf and an anti-Semite ….

Michelle-in-Utah, we have another hyperbolic rightist dimwit joining you. You are no longer alone.

Shooter was a left wing nut and an anarchist.

Latin2 said:
and according to AP a 9/11 truther.

BTW, many are perplexed by the bizarre, ignorant and often incoherent postings by Paul Westlake. Guess what?

He is a 9/11 Truther too!

Phony queen, I’ll have you know Michelle was never alone. ;)

BlackWidow said:
When will you people posting on here stop blaming others and take responsibility for your own behavior?? You are like children in that you attack olthers and use that as an excuse for YOUR behavior. We all need to grown uo! You can’t change anyone else but you can change your own behavior.

Good advice, BlackWidow, but Democrats never change.

The Real Royal King said:
Fully conversant in Mein Kapf and an anti-Semite ….

Just like the libs who defended the anti-Semite Helen thomas.

Careful Keeva, your injecting logic and reason into a highly speculative debate. If you can’t react without reason, and make over-reactioned emotional statements about how this is someone else’s fault, then you shouldn’t post.

Magister says:

Then look at who is ultra-defensive here.

Gee it couldn’t be because 30 second after it happened, the left had already started to blame Palin and the tea-party. In fact, it was told to the politico by a dem, that they would be pointing the finger at them, just like Clinton did when he blamed talk radio for Ok City. That how they roll and it’s disgusting.

As much as I would like to stay and be so thoroughly entertained by the desperate, shrill and inarticulate protestations of self-perfection and non-culpability for the coarsening of our society by the likes of Nutsofast, Merf, Jeff Merrill and Michelle-in-Utah, my flight is being called. So, à tout à l’heure.

Olby Sucks said:
hyperbolic rightist dimwit

As you say, Jeff, hyperbolic rightist dimwits do abound. My mistake.

nsf, the same libs defended hasan…

The Real Royal King said:
my flight is being called.

That wasn’t your flight being called, it was just the voices in your head calling you back to the sanitarium. Your bed is ready.

Still “traveling the world?” ROFL!

TangledThorns says:
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Geraldo cannot be more wrong. He and others Lefty pundits are only looking stupid in trying to blame Palin and typical political discourse for this shooting. This will make Palin looks stronger and by the end of today as more info about the shooter comes to light.
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It only makes her look stronger with the people that already follow her. It actually polarizes her more amongst the Independents and more moderates. She is not a National candidate. She appeals to people like yourself and the people you surround yourself with.

I think Fox is on the defensive. Welcome to the democrats world!

TrollJuice said:
I think Fox is on the defensive.

LOL

Spin it, son, spin it!

Troll says:

It actually polarizes her more amongst the Independents and more moderates

She already is a moderate troll.

Professor who had shooter in class says the shooter was acting crazy TWO YEARS ago in his class;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Dt8N10Lps&feature=player_embedded

That would be before the Tea Party and immigration debate and before Beck was on Fox and before Sarah Palin.

The Real Royal King said:
As you say, Jeff, hyperbolic rightist dimwits do abound. My mistake.

Usual default response from a LIBERAL exposed void of support for his views.

Atticus Draco says:
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It’s DISTURBING that Dupnik is a sheriff!
he should lose his badge!
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Why? Because he doesn’t cow-tale to the right like Arpaio ?

@Seeing2012: I assume you either had intended to quote from one of my comments or there was some kind of glitch, but just to clarify, other than a couple of informational retweets in the first couple of hours, I feel that I’ve done nothing to point toward either “side”.

I’m a creature of my own political beliefs and while I identify more strongly with one party and a generalized ideology, I don’t agree on all counts and I assume that everyone else is the same. We all pick and choose, what to believe.

Seeing 2012 From My Window says:
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Troll says:

It actually polarizes her more amongst the Independents and more moderates

She already is a moderate troll.
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Sarah Palin is no moderate! Where did you get that from?

While I don’t always agree with Geraldo, I always did appreciate the fact that he was on fox to provide his own well-rationalized perspective that differs from the Fox norm.

When the shooter was talking about the bad government…that was in 2007…who was in office in 2007?

It wasn’t Obama.

I was referring to Gifford, as I thought you were.

ps, you’re still a troll.

notsofast says:
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The Real Royal King said:
Fully conversant in Mein Kapf and an anti-Semite ….

Just like the libs who defended the anti-Semite Helen thomas.
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notso, you do know that Hannity is an anti-Semite, don’t you?

Keeva says:
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While I tend to agree that the Sheriff was out of line in his comments, I am more astounded at the assumption by some that he meant conservatives. Look closely at his statement. He doesn’t identify one side or the other. Then look at who is ultra-defensive here.

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I agree. The right seems to think they are the ones he was referring to. Why? Do they know that they are guilty?

Magister, I didn’t say you pointed the finger. You asked why the right is assuming the sheriff is pointing the finger at them and I said it’s because that’s what’s been happening since the moment the tragedy occurred.

Davo said:
Aren’t the same media who rushed in to blame Sarah Palin, Tea Partiers, and Conservatives for the actions of a “LEFT-WING POTHEAD” (according to the shooter’s friend) the exact same media who urged us all to avoid noticing who was at blame in the Ft. Hood Muslim attack? Yep……….the exact same ones, in concert with the exact same Democrat Party.

Bush was demonized by these people who campaigned without offering superior vision for America. It worked. Now, they hope to repeat the same “4th-down and long” long shot with the same tactic of rushing to condemn their most “terrifying” foes……………Truth, Sarah Palin, Tea Partiers, and FOX News. Notice that again these cancerous tumors avoid using any “vision” or “policy” they consider better than their opponents………. just personal attacks droned on and on in effort to blame Conservatives for the disastrous results of their own Democrat policy.

DemoCrits are hoping their “base” of will gather around them if they again stir-up elements of their pet Dims……………….hatred and envy. That might again be the substitute for substance. Hey! What a great title for the ongoing DemoCrit campaign: “SUBSTITUTE for SUBSTANCE.” I like it.

Just want to ‘bump’ this back up. Didn’t want Liberals to continue to miss your opportunity to dispell it.

Latin2 said:
Professor who had shooter in class says the shooter was acting crazy TWO YEARS ago in his class;

He was acting nuts in 2007 when he showed up at a Giffords public meeting. A person there said he asked a question that was completely incoherent and Giffords didn’t know how to respond and just winged an answer.

And btw, the Tea Party nor SP were on the scene in 2007!!!!

Article Source: MotherJones.com

Shooter’s Friend Says He Held Years Long Grudge Against Giffords

“They hadn’t released the name, but I said, ‘Holy @!$%#, I think it’s Jared that did it.’” Tierney tells Mother Jones in an exclusive interview that Loughner held a years-long grudge against Giffords and had repeatedly derided her as a “fake.” Loughner’s animus toward Giffords intensified after he attended one of her campaign events and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer a question he had posed, Tierney says. He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with “lucid dreaming”—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became “more interested in this world than our reality.” Tierney adds, “I saw his dream journal once. That’s the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner’s mind, there’s a dream journal that will tell you everything.”

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TrollJuice said:
I think Fox is on the defensive.

LOL

Spin it, son, spin it!
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Did they not spend the whole day defending their selves and talk radio?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Magister says:

Gee it couldn’t be because 30 second after it happened, the left had already started to blame Palin and the tea-party. In fact, it was told to the politico by a dem, that they would be pointing the finger at them, just like Clinton did when he blamed talk radio for Ok City. That how they roll and it’s disgusting.

Actually, within minutes,both sides were at it. On this site, there were multiple postings with Obama quotes as the cause right along with the Palin junk. I said at the time, and still do, that we need to wait until we have more information instead of running off and guessing.

I challenge any of you to go one single day without the pointless insults. One day. My money says very, very few of you can – on both sides.

Before jumping around and pointing fingers, read some of your own stuff.

notsofast said:
He was acting nuts in 2007 when he showed up at a Giffords public meeting. A person there said he asked a question that was completely incoherent and Giffords didn’t know how to respond and just winged an answer.

And btw, the Tea Party nor SP were on the scene in 2007!!!!

Article Source: MotherJones.com

Shooter’s Friend Says He Held Years Long Grudge Against Giffords

“They hadn’t released the name, but I said, ‘Holy @!$%#, I think it’s Jared that did it.’” Tierney tells Mother Jones in an exclusive interview that Loughner held a years-long grudge against Giffords and had repeatedly derided her as a “fake.” Loughner’s animus toward Giffords intensified after he attended one of her campaign events and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer a question he had posed, Tierney says. He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with “lucid dreaming”—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became “more interested in this world than our reality.” Tierney adds, “I saw his dream journal once. That’s the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner’s mind, there’s a dream journal that will tell you everything.”

But you know what was around in 2007 notsoffast – 9/11 truthers and Liberals blaming our government and screaming and yelling about how terrible our country was.

The proof shows that he was interested in her when he went to a DEMOCRATIC gathering.

Troll, perhaps because the right and talk radio aren’t responsible. There is plenty of evidence to support that he is a left wing, atheist, 9/11 truther pothead, but I’m willing to just call him what he is, a murdering nut. Why can’t the left just do that and instead feel the need to point the finger where it doesn’t belong?

TrollJuice said:
notso, you do know that Hannity is an anti-Semite, don’t you?

LOL

Now you are truly in the Twilight Zone, son.

He is an avid defender and supporter of Israel and Jewish causes.

And because he interviews people who don’t share his views doesn’t make him an anti-Semite. You have been watching KO too much where guests MUST tow the KO viewpoint.

But do please explain why you libs are never content with just stating your opinions but must also inject your LIES?

..and an acquaintance of his Catlin Parker said he was a RADICAL LIBERAL LEFTIST when she knew him IN 2007…and that is the last time she remembers seeing him.

Now anyone with a brain would KNOW just based on the facts that he was a LIBERAL, unless you are a brain dead moron.

TrollJuice said:
Did they not spend the whole day defending their selves and talk radio?

Nope!

notsofast said:
He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with “lucid dreaming”—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became “more interested in this world than our reality.”

Now that is the the definition of a lib.

Since my comments are no longer being published on Mediaite this is for the moderators and those who work at Mediaite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rOvy6uBpGI&feature=sub

The Sheriff says it best, keeping people angry is a cottage industry for politicians, pundits and media types. Take a look at the comment section of this site. Do any of you at Mediaite feel just a bit responsible for what happened, and maybe you aren’t responsible but I am saying that this climate of fear and hate that has been stoked by the media and pols, you can’t deny that.

If anything good comes out of this I hope the American public finally shines a spotlight on the people who are creating this climate, there are a lot of guilty parties. But from the reaction of Fox and other politicians this weekend, instead of coming to terms with what they have created they are trying to blame the other side

“He was a liberal, he smoked pot, he read the communist manifesto, etc. was the mantra repeated all weekend by the pols and Fox and now has been picked up by the tea party and others.

Nothing was learned from this, which means it will continue. You had Trent Franks on CNN yesterday lamenting his friend Gaby Giffords at the same time eschewing blame or any sort of culpability for his sides actions. Franks said last year that our President was an “enemy of humanity” and he has the audacity to go on CNN and plead for temperance, at the same time blaming liberals for this horror. What are you supposed to do with a leader of our country who also happens to be an enemy of humanity? Does Franks really think that there isn’t some unhinged teabagger who won’t feel like he has to save our country from “enemies of humanity”?

My true belief is that the radical right in this country won’t be happy until the President is dead. That may seem harsh but I am only basing my theory on their actions. Nothing will be learned from this incident, the guilty parties will never claim responsibility and will be called heroes by their followers.

Magister said:
The Democratic Sheriff may have found a way to keep his portion of the spotlight by fanning Fox and MSNBC, now that the FBI has become the lead agency and state charges may never be filed, but to be fair, there are lots of variations on extremist political beliefs and though don’t all fit in a right/left box.

The Feds can’t prosecute all of this, and I can’t imagine that state charges won’t be filed. The only Federal crimes are the shooting of the federal officials/staffers, and I can’t imagine Arizona is going to let the rest go uncharged. The Sheriff should shut his yap unless he’s talking about the investigation and busy himself with doing his job.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Magister, I didn’t say you pointed the finger. You asked why the right is assuming the sheriff is pointing the finger at them and I said it’s because that’s what’s been happening since the moment the tragedy occurred.

From what I saw as the story broke, the “crosshairs” thing did come out very fast and I even retweeted one or two links to the image, but you can’t really deny that the “crosshairs” existed and that they weren’t aimed at Rep. Giffords.

Now that the initial aftermath has subsided, it’s come out that there’s really no underlying, unifying political ideology and most everyone has agrred that Ms. Palin shares no direct blame, but now that we’ve got all this “reload”, “watering the tree of liberty” stuff and things like the threats against Volvo drivers which have been made in these forums into the discussion, we might as well get them addressed.

notsofast said:
Now that is the the definition of a lib.

Let’s look at the facts.

1) Was angry at the government in 2007 – WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE.

2) Was a pot smoking drug taker.

3) Was an Atheist with Satanic Leanings – not a Christian

4) People who knew him said he was a RADICAL LIBERAL LEFTWINGER in 2007.

5) Favorited a video of an American flag burning.

6) Went to a Democratic gathering in 2007.

7) kept a letter from the Democratic Congresswoman in his safe in 2007.

8) Was a 9/11 truther.

9) was crazy back in 2007.

So far he is looking like a Palin supporter. (in the crazy mind of a Liberal)

Actually it is the TOTAL opposite of the majority of people on the Right..

Not let’s present these facts to Sherif Dufus Boss Hogg and his assute investigation is that HE WAS TEA PARTY MEMBER…lol

Let’s look at the facts.

1) Was angry at the government in 2007 – WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE.

2) Was a pot smoking drug taker.

3) Was an Atheist with Satanic Leanings – not a Christian

4) People who knew him said he was a RADICAL LIBERAL LEFTWINGER in 2007.

5) Favorited a video of an American flag burning.

6) Went to a Democratic gathering in 2007.

7) kept a letter from the Democratic Congresswoman in his safe in 2007.

8) Was a 9/11 truther.

9) was crazy back in 2007.

10) Hated the police.

So far he is looking like a Palin supporter according the top notch investigation of the Sheriff of Pima County.

The Real Royal King said:
Now that Michelle-in-Utah has at long last awakened and begun hurling debris about, I think we have all the proof we need to conclude that yes, indeed, those of a rightist and extreme rightist perspective have profound guilt now manifest in shrill defenses and moronic deflections. Please, that guilt is not really necessary at this point, and I should think it will not be so. At worst, you have been intemperate as I have been at times. We need to learn and to grow from this experience. Denial and deflection are not good signs that you recognize this.

I’m glad you are ready to take action against the climate of hate. Beam in one’s own eye.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

oops meant to write astute

Keeva said:
While I tend to agree that the Sheriff was out of line in his comments, I am more astounded at the assumption by some that he meant conservatives. Look closely at his statement. He doesn’t identify one side or the other. Then look at who is ultra-defensive here.

Keeva, he does.

“When you have people like Sharron Angle in Las Vegas running against Harry Reid making outrageous statements such as ‘we may need to resort to taking the second amendment into certain cases’, and for people like Sarah Palin to say ‘we have people like Gabby Giffords in our cross hairs’, I think those statements are totally irresponsible and they’re not without consequences and I think we may be seeing the fruit of it here. ”

Dupnik is very outspoken and very Democrat, and has been for some time. See his comments on AZ 1070, and note his odd inclusion of “bigotry” playing a role here. He’s basically the mirror image of Joe Arpaio, except that I don’t think Joe would be dumb enough to stick his foot in his mouth like this.

Pablo said:
The Feds can’t prosecute all of this, and I can’t imagine that state charges won’t be filed. The only Federal crimes are the shooting of the federal officials/staffers, and I can’t imagine Arizona is going to let the rest go uncharged. The Sheriff should shut his yap unless he’s talking about the investigation and busy himself with doing his job.

I have to give credit to another commenter (somewhere) for bringing it to my attention, but after Timothy McVeigh was tried and sentenced to death for the 11 federal charges, the State of Oklahoma never filed the 160 state charges. I assume that not only was it cost-efficient, but if state charges had been filed, his death sentence would’ve been delayed.

If Loughner is convicted and if he receives the same sentence, Arizona is broke and they’d probably also be willing to step out of the way, so that the incident could get behind them.

Magister, I did not know that about McVeigh. I’d still be quite surprised if AZ doesn’t file (getting to trial being another matter), but there is indeed precedent. Thanks.

Latin2 said:
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I agree but we must not lose sight of the fact that this guy was psychotic- he thought among other crazy things that the govt. was brain washing him ( in his case it might have been a simple rinse) and controlling his mind through grammar. In addition, he was delusional. I have seen two psychiatrists on TV who said, with the caveat that they have not examined him but have read his writings and viewed his videos, that these are all classic signs of schizophrenia.

So no matter what political leanings he had, he was not in reality and his act was his alone.

Pablo said:
The Feds can’t prosecute all of this, and I can’t imagine that state charges won’t be filed. The only Federal crimes are the shooting of the federal officials/staffers, and I can’t imagine Arizona is going to let the rest go uncharged. The Sheriff should shut his yap unless he’s talking about the investigation and busy himself with doing his job.

Perhaps he is signing his resignation with this stunt.

“Now, I‘ve been a cop for 52 years. I‘m not sure what reasonable suspicion means, and I suspect that‘s going to be constitutionally vague.” – Sheriff Dupnik

“”Reasonable suspicion” goes back to a case called Terry v. Ohio and led to something widely known as a “Terry Stop”. 29 states have so-called Stop and Identify laws. One of them is, wait for it, Arizona.” – Drew M (Ace of Spades)

52 years of incompetence.

Sorry Magister, but you aren’t paing attention. Just this morning, former Dem Senator Bob Kerry said he was probably mad that the GOP wants to repeal Obamacare.

notsofast said:
I agree but we must not lose sight of the fact that this guy was psychotic- he thought among other crazy things that the govt. was brain washing him ( in his case it might have been a simple rinse) and controlling his mind through grammar. In addition, he was delusional. I have seen two psychiatrists on TV who said, with the caveat that they have not examined him but have read his writings and viewed his videos, that these are all classic signs of schizophrenia.

So no matter what political leanings he had, he was not in reality and his act was his alone.

I said that from the beginning…but it seems that some of the Left have tried to spin it a different way from the begining ..and the Sheriff IS STILL trying…and lying.

This is the first time in years that I’ve heard something intelligible coming from Geraldo Rivera. Sarah Palin was accidenly put into this position by John McCain (from Arizona!) who really bears the blame for inflicting on our country someone totally unsuitable and unqualified for any type of public office. You don’t have to be a Democrat to see that Gabrielle Giffords is a woman who represents a much more positive side of America. Also, most Americans are not against guns, but the stranglehold that the NRA has on this country is obscene. Allowing the sale of AK-47’s with virtually no control over gun sales in many states plus permitting people to carry concealed waepons is ridiculous and most people know this. Words have meaning and the language of much of the right is without a doubt going to lead to more and more violence unless we wake up. Hopefully, this will end the career of Sarah Palin as a politician.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Sorry Magister, but you aren’t paing attention. Just this morning, former Dem Senator Bob Kerry said he was probably mad that the GOP wants to repeal Obamacare.

Given the shooter’s mental state, I doubt he even knows what Obamacare is and if he did know what it was, why would he shoot a Congresswoman who supported Obamacare.

man, the libs are losing it.

Ganymede says:

Hopefully, this will end the career of Sarah Palin as a politician.

Just like I said yesterday, the left is more concerned with ending Palin’s career, than the actual victims. You are a disgusting human being.

@Latin2:

1) Was angry at gov in 2007 & 2010, so basically angry at gov.
2) At least half the Tea Party members probably smoke (or have smoked) pot.
3) Evangelicals are Christians, not all Republicans (Not to mention Christine O’Donnell)
4) We don’t know how “friend” defines “left-wing” and others say he wasn’t too political.
5) I don’t know what to say about a burning flag…
6) He went to identical event in ’07. Was it also at a Safeway? Did he buy Girl Scout cookies too?
7) I have letters in a box from political leaders that I have kept since the 70s, plus she was the target.
8) Only nutjobs are truthers and a fringe group only represent itself.
9) Yep, he was crazy in ’07 and he’s still crazy today.
10) The often-derided Basil Marceaux called traffic stops slavery and offered everyone blanket immunity.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Sorry Magister, but you aren’t paing attention. Just this morning, former Dem Senator Bob Kerry said he was probably mad that the GOP wants to repeal Obamacare.

I didn’t see the Bob Kerrey thing. I don’t know why he said it or the context, but he’s entitled to his beliefs and speaks for only himself.

Magister said:
The often-derided Basil Marceaux called traffic stops slavery and offered everyone blanket immunity.

Nobody brings people together like Basil Marceaux.com

ganymede said:
Allowing the sale of AK-47’s with virtually no control over gun sales in many states plus permitting people to carry concealed waepons is ridiculous and most people know this.

You cannot legally buy an authentic AK-47 in the US without jumping through serious federal hoops and getting a federal permit.

What was that ridiculous thing that most people know?

Pablo said:
Nobody brings people together like Basil Marceaux.com

That song is definitely a unifying anthem.
It’s like Yoko Ono singing Jim Stafford. One for the ages.

RIDICULOUS !!!… There is noone to blame here except Jared Loughner… It did’nt happen because of the political climate in Arizona, it did’nt happen because of Sarah Palin, it did’nt happen because of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, or anyone else… There is no speculation here, we know who did this… And as much as we all want to look for reasons/blame, there is none… Jared Loughner is mentally ill, period…

The King has a point. When Charles Manson said that the Beatles’ White Album influenced his actions, people started paying more attention to the Beatles’ violent rhetoric. And violent left wing rhetoric obviously influenced the leftist Lee Harvey Oswald to shoot Kennedy. In light of all this, the King has decided to dial back his hateful rhetoric towards ‘Brisket’ Palin, Mormons, and anyone who lives in a trailer.

Magister said:
@Latin2: 1) Was angry at gov in 2007 & 2010, so basically angry at gov.2) At least half the Tea Party members probably smoke (or have smoked) pot.3) Evangelicals are Christians, not all Republicans (Not to mention Christine O’Donnell)4) We don’t know how “friend” defines “left-wing” and others say he wasn’t too political.5) I don’t know what to say about a burning flag…6) He went to identical event in ‘07. Was it also at a Safeway? Did he buy Girl Scout cookies too?7) I have letters in a box from political leaders that I have kept since the 70s, plus she was the target.8) Only nutjobs are truthers and a fringe group only represent itself.9) Yep, he was crazy in ‘07 and he’s still crazy today.10) The often-derided Basil Marceaux called traffic stops slavery and offered everyone blanket immunity. I didn’t see the Bob Kerrey thing. I don’t know why he said it or the context, but he’s entitled to his beliefs and speaks for only himself.

Weak sauce…..try again.

STICKS:

DIDO….

I rarely agree with Geraldo , this time I do. Yet his followers on Fox have turned on him like rabid dogs.
If it doesn’t fit their narrow definitions they don’t have the mental capacity to do anything but attack

SCOOTRBUM:

I thought that’s what Geraldo was doing…attacking? This isn’t the first time they’ve turned on him, and it won’t be the last, given Geraldo’s propensity to corrupt an issue with his inane thinking.

Geraldo, why are you attempting to ruin your nice juicy job at Fox?..you are attempting to play both ends against the middle…look, the man had a mental condition, there was anger directed at everyone & everything, I believe, even at his old school..blaming this as being “politically motivated” is foolish & demeaning..just to make an inference that it “may” be possible is stupid..Geraldo…go to CNN..they need your great outlook, your wonderful choice of words & your allegiance to your democratic party..you do not belong on Fox…Fox should replace you with Lou Dobbs, a man of high intellect who does not have ANY agenda & merely says it like it is..just his vocabulary shows how intelligent he is…learn from Lou, Geraldo you need more training in proper English..how the heck did you stay this long on Television, I’ll never know!!!