What a G.D. LIAR!  Isn’t it the GOP that only cares about gazillionaires? Isn’t it the GOP that thinks it’s ok to allow increased taxes on the middle class, but NO taxes on gazillionaires?    GOPLIES!!!

If they would just quit wasting it. Obama just gave 600 million taxpayer dollars to the very corrupt country of Indonesia for their green scam. It never stops . Give us more to waste and use to get reelected !

Obama has wasted untold billions based on nothing but his ideology. Green scams have proven to be scandals as the truth of this nonsense comes out. This will only stop when the Madman in the White House is turned out.

“Chevy Volt recall? Sure, why not. This electric Edsel (Motor Trend Car of the Year — awarded before even one was sold) is a bad idea (even Thomas Edison could not make a practical electric car) being promoted to fix a non-existent problem (global warming is a farce and a lie) the wrong way (half the electricity in the USA comes from fossil fuels) by taking from the taxpayer and giving to the rich ($7,500 tax credits are given for cars whose average driver earns $175,000 annually).
And to top it all off, these nonsensical automotive products are potential fire hazards — weeks after they are in a collision.”

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/46910

Even Regan understood that economics, aka math, doesn’t bend to political ideology

Why do reporters always talk to Norquist as if he is reasonable?  His main objective is not to help improve government, but to continuously shrink it into impotence.  

It’s like asking a communist how to regulate Wall Street.

The peasants – pretty funny coming from Grover.  The right wing is intent upon an agenda to bring us neo-feudalism and the Tea Party embraces serfdom.  Grover’s reference to ‘peasants’ is an unintended admission as to how he thinks of Americans on Main Street.

This must be some new definition of the word ‘peasant’ that I was previously unaware of.

I watched the entire interview and was very impressed by the straight forward answers to Gregory’s Democrat talking points. Why we need to raise taxes to feed an already wasteful overreaching and bloated government. He actually made Gregory sound foolish as people like yourself.

Reagan Raised taxes 16 times!

It’s a bit fey of him to say his pact is with the American people when a majority support taxing the rich.  Perhaps he means with the American people who matter.

Reagan was a RINO!

Ah Grover…you mention how GWB’s presidency was succesful in part because of success in Iraq and not occupying the place, but his boat was sunk by raising taxes…well if you think that Desert Storm was a success, where did that money come from!? The sky? And Reagan’s the best president ever because of all his accomplishments, but raising taxes was his mistake?? Without raising taxes, Ronald Reagan would’ve been an even worse president, that’s the 1 thing he did right!!

Mr borrow and spend Reagan.

See for Grover, using a line like that really is a mistake and he knows he slipped…because it opens him to valid criticism that what he advocates hurts the poort and really treats them like peasants…he says ‘peasants’ just out of the blue? no democrat or liberal ever refers to the poor as ‘peasants’ – he says it becasue that’s where his frame of thought is based – that the rich should get richer of the peasants…that the 1% should profit off the 99%…the American ppl know he’s total B.S.

Seems pretty basic America, raise taxes or cut spending you pick.

Disagree. I think he refers to peasants as all the 99%ers. As in, we all must give more to the “elites” aka politco, since they’re so smart and we all are too dumb to understand what they’re trying to do.

   Reagan invaded Grenada in 1983, ostensibly to rescue 500 American medical
students, but in reality nothing more than a military maneuver to overthrow a
new leftist anti-colonial government. In the evening of October 25, 1983 by
telephone, on the newscast Nightline, anchor Ted Koppel spoke to medical
students on Grenada who stated that they were safe and did not feel their lives
were in danger.The successful Grenada invasion involved approximately 6,000
American soldiers (including two Ranger battalions) defeating 636 Cuban
construction workers and 43 Grenada military personnel. The Pentagon later
handed out 19,000 medals and decorations for the operation.

I wish every independent and the few rational Republican left would have watched that interview. Matter of fact Obama campaign should use that in  tv ad’s  as the GOP’s main leader. Obama would win in a landslide.

I agree Stylin. They should use that interview in President Obama reelection campaign. I think it clearly defines the choice, cut spending or raise all of our taxes.

Let’s return to that savagely austere budget of 2008.

You make that sound like a bad thing.  What do the Grenadians think of it?

perhaps you might want to read this and understand:

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/craigsteiner/2011/08/26/the_truth_about_taxes,_the_rich,_and_the_poor

either that or the right wing doesn’t want to see us become Greece.  Take your pick…

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/craigsteiner/2011/08/26/the_truth_about_taxes,_the_rich,_and_the_poor

‘The Peasants Aren’t Sending Enough Cash In’

This is all you need to know about Norquist and the Republican message machine on taxes. “Peasants”? I don’t recall Democrats saying that they want to increase taxes on ‘peasants’, unless you consider millionaires and billionaires ‘peasants’.

They know damn well that they’re not gonna get much sympathy from the American people if they try and defend the richies getting more tax cuts so they purposely try to obfuscate the situation by implying the Dems want to raise EVERYONE’S taxes. By doing that, they put in some fear inside most of America, and will get them to vote against their own interest.

And let’s not forget which party is now refusing to extend the payroll tax holiday. The Reps finally found a tax increase that they actually like. Not to mention the likes of Romney and Bachmann lamenting that half of Americans doing pay federal income taxes (even though they pay a ton of others like sales, property and state income taxes).

“the peasants aren’t sending enough cash in for the king to spend.”

Oooooo…you DON’T say that to an OBAMO masturbator like Gregory.

I’ll bet after Grover said this, the haughty Gregory was ready to jump from a building. Soon enough, David, soon enough…

you mean raise taxes of the top 1%? Sure, that’s fine with every poll taken by Republicans and Democrats.

Maybe Grover’s reference to ‘Peasants’ was another one of those magic ‘dog whistles’ that Lib media hacks like to shriek about.

That was kinda the point i think

Another G.D. lie.

A typical one to boot.This is the U.S. government agency that is providing financial aid to Indonesia:http://www.usaid.gov/The USAID was created by Congress, but NOT as a US agency that reports to or receives its mandate or funding from the President. Go to the website and check out the FAQ: it is an “independent” aid agency. It makes its funding decisions INDEPENDENT of the U.S. administration, and is answerable only to Congress directly. That’s enough to prove this is a typical G.D. lie – but wait, there’s more:This is not any sort of “green scam”, whatever in hell G.D. might mean by that. This is about FOOD. Indonesia has a huge sustainable agriculture problem, almost a billion mouths to feed and poor land use and recovery practices. The funding from the USAID is tied to official Indonesia government commitments to impose and enforce regulations on food growing techniques that we here in the U.S. take for granted as sound farmland conservation: rotating crops to replenish minerals, fallow land schedules, optimal seeding and harvesting techniques, better knowledge of and strategies to deal with climate and weather pattern realities. The G.D. lie, as you can see, wants you to think this is ‘another Solyandra’. It’s not; not that Solyandra itself is any sort of scandal, just a typical vencap failure – vencap programs fail a LOT, but it was the will of CONGRESS that the administration go into and fund vencap projects. This notion that Obama did this ‘on his own’ is just silly: he went to Congress and said, Here’s what I think is a good idea, and Congress AGREED, and it was Congress who authorized that green energy vencap projects be pursued. I go further: Congress has been authorizing green energy vencap projects at various times all the way back to the Nixon administration, and EVERY administration, D or R, without fail, includuing Saint Ronald the Holy, has been authorized and directed by Congress to spend money on green energy through vencap funding; indeed, it was the DoE under GW Bush authorized Solyandra for government vencap funding. 

Who’da thunk the peasants are now in the top 1%..??

I’m afraid that Grover Norquist is someone who will slowly fade away due to the internet/social media. His talking points are so old and predictable.. and less than that, they don’t even make sense. Democrats want peasants to pay more? By demanding billionaires pay more money? Sorry bud, but it looks like you’re past your prime, there are many other conservatives that have much better talking points/arguments than that, lol. That isn’t even clever, it’s like something an old crazed man would shout at a room full of restaurant patrons.

This is someone who’s 15 minutes should have ended long ago, he’s really nothing spectacular.

While I’m not in favor of raising taxes I would not vote for anyone who has signed a pledge never to raise taxes. Things change and sometimes drastic measures and/or compromise works for the country…never say never or for that matter sign a pledge of any kind….it will come back to haunt later.

2:35 “We have some history here, George H.W. Bush [...] lost the election. The american people don’t like people who lied”

Good point. And let’s remember that back then George H.W. Bush was not attacked by Grover Norquist : he was attacked by Charles Schumer, Bill Clinton and their minions in the media.

If a Republican breaks his pledge today, as Bush 41 did back then, he will again be labeled as a liar against by the Democrats. —
* All that mattered was that they had tricked Bush into breaking his tax pledge, which they celebrated all the way to Bush’s defeat in the next election. On CNN’s “Crossfire,” then-congressman Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., gloated: “All the spin control in the world can’t undo the fact that the president is moving away from (no new) taxes.” An article on the front page of The New York Times proclaimed that “with his three words, (‘tax revenue increases’) Mr. Bush had broken the central promise of his 1988 campaign.”As the next presidential campaign got under way, CNN interviewed a “Reagan Democrat,” who said: “Bush says, ‘Read my lips.’ Remember when he said that? We got taxes anyway. Clinton says, I will raise your taxes because we have to do something about that national debt.”Democrats had effectively taken away the Republican Party’s central defining issue — low taxes — and the Republicans got nothing in return.On the campaign trail, Bill Clinton taunted Bush for breaking his tax pledge, saying, “He promised 15 million new jobs, no new taxes, the environmental president, an education presidency. It was a wonderful speech. But now we don’t have to read his lips; we can read his record.” (source : http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ann-coulter/2011/11/24/medias-unhealthy-tax-hike-fixation-getting-old )

Norquist and Republicans and the Tea Party are the very ones who put us in danger of becoming Greece. 

It’s interesting that reader Gloves Donahue has provided a link to the website of a criminal enterprise “news” organization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_Daily_Mail

No, no, and no.

The world according to Snowspot.

His peasant comment refers to all of us verses the politco elite. Why not cut spending before raising anyone’s taxes?

Now that the OWS protests are educating the American people on the 30-year conservative scam on taxes I get to see this psychopath’s mug on the TV, where previously he was content to just lurk in the shadows and await his orgasmic “drowning the government in a bathtub”.

Go away supply-sider, you failed along with your Republican buddies to convince average folks too slit their own throats.

I guess – if it works on the idiots of the tea party.  Magic dumbass whistle would be accurate for them.

What spending are you talking about? Which spending cuts? 

And no, I’m for raising taxes on the richest, when the country is in trouble, the people that have benefited the most should help the country. If they don’t like it, “job-creators” can go to other countries, someone will replace them. Any company willing to go overseas, SAYONARA! You aren’t an American company, we don’t need you and someone will come along and do it better. 

It’s always good to see somebody stand up to the Obama-scum and assorted left-wing vermin. The Democratic Party used to have decent people in it, but has been taken over by the these soulless, sub-human progressive trash ruling class.

mind explaining how?  By pointing out that we are spending money we don’t have?

Seriously, explain it, please.

OBAMO is shown in a photo gorging himself on hot dogs…Arugula & Moo-Shell nowhere to be found.

“Why do reporters always talk to Norquist as if he is reasonable?”
Ooo – ask me, ask me: I know the answer to that question:

It’s for the exact same reason that all the Sunday Morning With Your Republican shows feature nothing but Republicans - 

because Norquist only talks to reporters who work for his friends in corporate-owned media.

You want to know what thy Sunday Morning With Your Republican shows DO NOT talk about?

That we are now in the greatest period of economic inequality since before the great stock market crash of October 1929. Not “since” – since BEFORE:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/business/for-companies-the-good-old-days-are-now.html?_r=3&ref=business

In fairness, Grover Norquist is a tool of the ultra rich, the thug the ultra rich send around to check on the politicians they paid for to make sure they’re doing what they’re told to do.

(The gold star ALWAYS goes to Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama, but special mention goes to Senator Jon Kyl this week for working so hard in pretty much the same role in the SuperCommittee. Good work Senators – how to screw things up for EVUH!)

Also in fairness, David Gregory also is a tool, but taller.

Of course, Nordquist doesn’t clarify which American people he has in mind, i.e., corporate executives and other members of the top 1% wealthiest people in the nation.
Pledges inherently are contrary to the spirit of compromise – a primary goal of the “super-committee”. Anyone who had previously signed an anti-tax pledge should have been ineligible to serve on this committee, for their mere presence would serve as a deterrent to a successful outcome.

Enough with the ‘We’re becoming Greece’ nonsense -

We are NOT Greece, and we are not becoming Greece. 

Greece gave up its currency sovereignty to the ECB and therefore the real bosses of the euro, the banksters.

Greece is now doomed to second class, maybe third or even fourth class citizenship in continental Europe below the Scandinavian countries (except for Finland, the poor deluded Lappies).

The US not only retains sovereign currency control, but still issues the effective world currency - 
& it’s not going to be overtaken in this by the euro, ever, 
or the renmimbi now, because now CHINA is headed towards big financial trouble, 
and its the oil sheiks who decide which country really holds the world currency 
and the oil sheiks continue to like the US dollar -
or rather, US bonds.

Our selling US bonds could re-do the infrastructure, roads, rail, bridges, the works, completely fund new green energy including delivery systems, re-set the education system, re-set the social assistance system, fund a single-payer government-run health care system, stop the out of control rise in medical care costs, get unemployment down before 6% and STILL go faster towards balancing the budget than anything we are doing now.  

That’s kind of right: we are only Greece if we let them do it.

GET RID OF THOSE BUMS – they’re killing the country and us with it.

you’ve bought into all the b.s.  no point even “discussing” this with you.

It’s a pile of crap and you bought it.  Good for you.

What a doofus tool you are TPRTR. Gregory is a neocon and a corporate tool, always has been. That was a typical sweetheart Republican debate, After you Alphonse, Oh no no I wouldn’t dream of it, you first Gaston. 

Townhall – winger bible readings.

You moron: Gregory is an old dancing pal of Karl Rove, a sell-out from the beginning, a corporate tool and a neocon.

didn’t realize it was about the bible.  Well, I’ll be damned! lol

That is so lame, Snowspot. Look, if you’re going to speak truth to power, drop the cliches.

Ain’t that easy; the “job-creators” have already outsourced just about everything but breathing, breeding, dying, eating and drinking. We only here now as “commodities”, not even as the ‘demand’ side of ‘supply and demand’.

Again with the link to a wingoshere staple.

Keep doing this wingers: we’re learning we’re you get your memes from.

Clinton used it to win against Bush 41.

So it’s no surprise that not a single Republican in Congress has ever voted to raise taxes since 1991.

Because as soon as they break their pledge to compromise, people like you, like the Democrats, and like the mainstream media, who are currently building up this idea of compromise, responsability, statesman,… will spit on their former hero, and call him a liar.

Only a dumba ss would be interviewed by gregory. Gregory works for president hip hop.

Bull’s Eye, Gloves !!

Anybody who thinks we need more “revenues” instead of correcting the SPENDING problem is dishonest, treacherous, and treasonous…and they have bad breath and their feet stink !!

GOOD–>>TINY GOVERNMENT!!!!

Still haven’t responded to those other quotes on the other threads with military waste. Just blindfully ignoring? Everytime I see this post I’ll post my own about the military waste. Just want your perspective is all. Believe it or not I like to hear it.

‎1981 – Carter to Reagan = $800 billion national debt; 1989 – Reagan to George HW Bush = $2.4 Trillion national debt; 1993 – George HW Bush to Clinton = $4.2 Trillion national debt; 2001 – Clinton to Goober W. Bush = $5.7 Trillion national debt — and then the fit hit the shan. 2009 – Goober W. to Obama = $10.8 trillion with a $1.42 Trillion fy 2009 budget deficit. $6.5 Trillion (taking the national debt up to $12.3 Trilliion) – now you know who bankrupted America

 Reminding you it was Goober W. Bush and the Republicans who delivered what is likely the Great Depression II. When Goober W. left office in January 2009 unemployment was at 7.8%, the market hit 6500, tax revenue down at the greatest rate since the Great Depression I (27% individual; 57% corporate)..

And then there’s the simplistic and spectacularly failed ecoomic theories – the same old trickle down repackaged with a new name, “job creators.” 

The Great Depression II, brought to you by those same happy crappy folks who gave you the first one, yes, those crazy Republicans have done it again!!

David Gregory – once again, carrying the water for hehimself – the Big O.
Why can’t liberals see beyond their narrow mindedness of wanting to raise taxes; why can’t liberals understand the less spending is the way to go.  Why is it always tax the rich, more taxes on the folks who work their butts off to make money.  Why is it that David and his ilk refuse to see th elight and refuse to compromise?

Idiots, one and all.

Holy shit!  A bigger pile of crap I’ve rarely seen in one post.

probably because taxes were to high just like you moron

Not just an a$$
a racist a$$

well, where is it?

Typical liberal lies.  its the democrats that like SIn taxes and taxes on fuel.  That hits the middle class and poor the most. 

did those 500 American medical students need to be rescued?  Yes or No??

if you liked Reagan..you must really love Obama ;)

drudge report

WiddleBwownBwaby up to her liberal white guilt accusations again. Have yo mama give you a baby bottle instead of a 40oz.

Four things that scare the living sh it out of liberals, and will conquer the mentally ill liberal media juggernaut in 2012: Limbaugh, Gingrich, Drudge and Fox News. Start typing, fruits…

Put down that 40oz.

Thank you media for making this clown a part of the process.

It doesn’t work that way. When a Dem does it it’s good. :)

Leave it Grover to define the millionaires and billionaires of the top 2% as ‘peasants.’
Gotta love fake populism.
God forbid the uber-rich should have to pay the pre-Bush rates.
Grover should stick to what he does nest: finding apparitions of Reagan in carpet stains.

Grover (What kind of name is that? Does he live on Sesame Street?) is the perfect symbol of what is wrong with the political system in America these days. One man and his silly pledge can hold a whole country hostage. Nothing gets done in congress because Republicans can’t raise revenue…even if that means closing loopholes for the rich.

Reagan, the Republican icon is  RINO? Who many times have you heard some candidate say “I’m a Reagan Republican?

You dug your debt hole lady, now you’ll have to fill it in. There ain’t enough tax increases in the world to cure the mess you and your friends created by electing The Fool as your president. Yeah, yeah, gazillionaires this, gazillionaires that – whatever.

Hey, look on the bright side – now that The Fool raised taxes on cigarettes, the democrats won’t be able to bring as many homeless people to the polls.

Getting defensive are we? No, the pledge was signed to you, not to the American people. Most Americans favor raising taxes to address the debt and the deficit

Yeah, it couldn’t have had anything at all to do with the democratically controlled house which initiates spending, and later the entire congress that holds the purse strings, now could it.  We understand that the President isn’t a tyrant or dictator.  You don’t seem to get that.  What Reagan wanted to do, and what he was able to do were two separate things, unfortunately.

I do believe you mean a democratic House and for a couple of years also Senate.  I suppose you would have preferred a veto from Reagan to make some kind of point?

Most of the top two percent is small business.  The people that hire other people and purchase supplies and pay taxes and grow their business (hopefully).  Also, most of the top two percent don’t stay there and they weren’t born there either, it’s a peaking point.  A good number are people who are at the end of a long period of a productive life, but they weren’t there most of the time.  This is America, we don’t have entrenched classes- well except Washington beltway insiders.

There you go again, see, 456. In rhe face of facts all you can do is call upon your deity, Holy Shit, like some kind of lame ’60s Robin —- but you have no facts in youir utility belt. 

Leftists must really cringe when someone very publicly says that their beloved OBAMO is a ‘King.’ Of course, they’d like nothing more than for him to BE a ‘King’ because that means he can be a ‘Supreme Ruler of All mankind.’ But they also know it’s the ultimate slap-down of their Dear Boy, who’s on the ropes now and will be until we get rid of him less than a year from now.

More Taxes = More democratic Corruption!

The Democrat’s use our taxes to buy votes & pay back their supporters.

End the Democrat’s TAX SLUSH FUND – End D.C. Corruption!

Norquist has long been a notable liar. And, you’re correct on all counts.

Isn’t the same true with Obama i the White House? You can’t have it both ways…

Oh Mr. Norquist, maybe the Democrats just believe that “Signing an absolute pledge to never raise taxes ‘no matter what happens’ is naive, irresponsible, and foolish!”  If the situation changes, that pledge will either make the signer a liar if he breaks it or a fool if he doesn’t.  If the situation doesn’t change, it still leaves him either ideologically pure but lacking foresight or a cynical disingenuous panderer to the Tea Party.

I wish Norquist and his followers would stop obstructing Congress from taking care of business already; this is hurting my country and it’s about to hurt his party.  I assume he cares about at least one of those, so he desperately needs to wise up and change his tactics a little.

Your nuts! I am a business owner. What we want is a PROGRESSIVE tax that increases as income levels rise. If my taxes go up 2% then the millionaires should go up 8 – 10% and the 10 million plus crowd should go up 15% and the 20 million plus crowd should go up 20%. By not raising taxes on the rich you are entrenching everyone.

That is a real knee slapper!

As Pat Buchanan used to put it, we’re headed for a peasant’s pitchfork rebellion. :-)

You’re nuts… tiny government is BAD government. It is a big country. We have to have a big government. All you are asking for is shrink the government, privatize everything, put everyone out on teir own. Do you know what that leads to? Super rich and the poor. It is this way now. Why do you think it will get better with a small government. Small federal government means big corruption at the state, local and in the private sector. What is wrong with you stupid republicans.

Yes. Reagan did not veto any tax increases. That is a fact!

Bring back the Eisenhower tax rates and we will not become Greece. (Come on somebody call Ike a socialist.)

Here are my thoughts and I’m sticking to it: This is “Trickle Down
Economics” at it’s best. First the 112th Congress “does nothing”!
“Compassio­nate
Conservati­sm” has been
compassion­ate to those
most deserving in this conservati­ve time. The
states have bear-ed the brute force of falling housing prices,
repossessi­ons and
bankruptci­es, which
have played havoc with taxes and collection­s. What went
up during the greed of Wall Street’s run with derivative­s and Big
Bank’s too big to fail bailout, has come crashing down on the backs of everyone
else! And you can bet, the TEA-GOP-Re­publican
candidates will tow the line they have pledged to Grover Norquist and other
puppeteers­. It’s
possible that the president will gain another four years in office, and it may
be due to the fact that: The deficit was caused by two wars not paid for, huge
tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this country, and a recession as a
result of the greed, recklessne­ss and
illegal behavior on Wall Street, along with the current Congress’
in-activit­y in
generating jobs as they promised in 2010! And you can bet, the
TEA-GOP-Re­publican
candidates will tow the line they have pledged to Grover Norquist and other
puppeteers­. Kinda
makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over.

I want to agree with you. I already hit the “Like” button, but…
I think it must be reported that so many Teapublicons have signed that pledge. I know it isn’t a pledge to Norquist, but he created it so it is his “baby.”
The oversimplified view of the Teapublicons seems to be that all we need is a strong military. The rest of government is useless.
What would a government of only military look like? Let’s ask North Korea.

The political naivete and short memory span of the Right is proven by this:

Within the Republican Party, President Bush easily won the nomination.
But his Republican primary opponent, conservative pundit Patrick
Buchanan, personified the dissatisfaction of the right wing of the
party. Bush had lost the support of many conservative Republicans for a
variety of reasons, including raising taxes and cutting defense
spending. Buchanan’s challenge forced Bush to move further right during
the primaries, especially with regard to social issues. To appease the
right wing of the party, the Bush team asked Buchanan to give the
keynote address during the Republican convention. Buchanan’s speech
alienated many moderates and was roundly criticized in the media. In his
address, Buchanan offered a gloomy view of America’s health, noting
that this election was “about what we stand for as Americans. There is a
religious war going on in our country for the soul of America. It is a
cultural war, as critical to the kind of nation we will one day be as
was the Cold War itself. And in that struggle for the soul of America,
Clinton and Clinton are on the other side, and George Bush is on our
side.”

http://millercenter.org/president/bush/essays/biography/3
All the Right remembers is that Bush 1 had to raise taxes to try to balance the budget. As the quote above shows, “It’s the economy, stupid!” and the economy tanked under both Bushes. Now, Teapublicons continue the tradition of “me first, economy last.”

We should only have Eisenhower tax rates if we had an Eisenhower world economy…

Right, they pay 35% now, with in NY something like 10% state tax… but they should pay 20% more Federal, and maybe 5% more State.  So 55% Federal, 15% state… 70% tax rate… nice.

Whoops, I forgot Payroll taxes, 2% for Medicare, the Social Security is capped, so it won’t hit them here… 72%…

Good enough, if you make a dollar I should be able to take more than 2/3rds of it.. right?  I mean sure bond slavery let people keep half of what they earned while their bond owners took the other half…

But rich people deserve less freedom than bond slavery? 
Slavery is good if the right people are enslaved?
People should have to give up all their property to me so I can spend it for them?
Screw productive people making choices to better themselves; make people less efficient for the good of all?

Sorry, not sure what your end opinion is… care to explain why taking around 3/4 of someone’s earning is justified in your mind?  Why don’t they deserve more than 28% of their actual earnings when they work for them?

Oh, I think I get it.  You’re already rich, and you’re trying to close the door behind you to stop the “new money” from getting into the nice clubs.  IF you raise taxes this high on income now you’ll keep your prestige while stopping others from having the class mobility to get there.  Basically you want to enshrine the “old money’ elite into nobility that nobody else will be able to afford to join.

Did I guess right?  Or is that just a happy coincidence that this is what your proposed goals would achieve?  Amazing how that works isn’t it?

Right, the best governments are the most powerful most intrusive and most controlling governments.  When they control 60-70%+ of the GDP of the nation, run the economy, and micromanage everyone’s lives, those are good governments… why don’t people get this.

If only we had a really really good government like North Korea does we’d be really well off… but sadly nobody wants to bring the North Korean Government model to the US… the idiots, blocking your big government control of everything plan.

And corruption?  Yep, people buy power at the Federal Level, because it’s profitable.  If you lessen their power more people will buy it because it’ll be worth less. Only by making the government more powerful and making the corruption more desirable will you have less of it.

Because power corrupts, but absolute power ends all corruption forever… or something like that. 
Power always ends corruption and more power is always good?

I can’t remember how that saying goes; but given more government = less corruption I’m assuming it has to be something like this?

So we make the government more powerful, which increases the value and benefit of corruption… and corruption ends because people never spend money on things that are valuable. 

Does this work for economics as well?  As something becomes more valuable the price drops because people quit paying for it?  I’m not sure I recall that from any of my studies of economics.

Or does this concept only work for politics? 

Let us not forget that the Teapublicon answer to all problems is to pass them on to the states. That version of “state’s rights” would only increase the inequalities between states, with the Red States getting even poorer and dumber.

Who comes up with the budget?

All spending bills must originate in THE HOUSE be approved by THE SENATE and then be signed or vetoed by the President.

So the person who can only say yes/no is the only one responsible in your world?  Weird.

Run that again, break down all 3 pieces.  President/House/Senate, figure which party owned at least 2/3rd of the budgetary process for each year… then run your numbers again.  you’ll see a very different trend.

Of course you’d need both a willingness to be honest; and a basic understanding of how our government works in order to attempt this… and I don’t see either as being your strong suits.  So I guess go back to misdirection, lying, and clueless attacks… might as well stick with what you know.

I do cringe when I see the shallowness of your reasoning.

Right, we can just print more money. We’ll never be Greece.

Zimbabwe?  Well yes, with the excess printing liberals recommend, and the hyperinflation that would follow.  Then having to print more to cover our interest on our debt which would increase in size and rate… yes we very well could be Zimbabwe.  A wheelbarrow full of cash to buy a cheeseburger?  Prices changing at the stores 2-3 times a day?  We could probably hit that.

But we couldn’t be Greece.  HA, so there.  We’re just going to go down in flames with massive inflation rates, huge debt, and a collapsing economy.. but not like Greece.

” it was the DoE under GW Bush authorized Solyandra for government vencap funding.”

Bullshit.

“The results of the Congressional probe shared Tuesday with ABC News show
that less than two weeks before President Bush left office, on January
9, 2009, the Energy Department’s credit committee made a unanimous
decision not to offer a loan commitment to Solyndra.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/emails-obama-white-house-monitored-huge-loan-connected/story?id=14508865&page=2

So in 2009 and 2010 Obama couldn’t overrule the Republicans in the House And Senate and get the liberal dreams passed because the Republicans were a small minority and Democrats controlled the House and a Filibuster-proof majority in the Senate…

Is that your point?  That the Democrats couldn’t have their way because they only had the House, Senate, and Presidency; therefore Congress (made up of the House and Senate) would stop them.. while they controlled all of Congress?

That’s a weird point… Do you want to go back and think it over again?

You are an idiot. NO one is talking about an intrusive government. We are talking about a protective government. Your many paragraphs are the most convoluted piece of logic I have ever seen. You right wing morons take every thing to an extreme. We have a constitution.  It is there to PROTECT citizens. Please go to a world with no FDA, EPA, FAA, CDC SEC, FEMA. Is that the world you want? Maybe you would like a world with no zoning ordinances as well? You are paranoid, lunatic. Get a grip. The government is here to protect you, not harm you.

The Eisenhower tax rates would bring back the Eisenhower economy. You wouldn’t have 400 people owning the same amount as 50% of the country. You wouldn’t have the top 1% income rising 275% over a 30 year period while the 99% remains flat. Why are you stupid people letting the Republicans pull the wool over your eyes as they protect their super rich constituents and F you in the process. How bad do you need to be screwed to wake up to this? Does the world have to sink into a total global depression for you to be convinced these Republican idiots are only out for the most greedy in the country? WTF… UP

im going to buy mine today…

You actually believe the crap you just posted about the “Rich” creating jobs from Bush’s Tax Cut. The few jobs that were created during Bush’s term cost the American Taxpayer $329,000 each in lost revenue from the taxes on the ultra-rich. If we wouldn’t have gone with the “Bush tax cuts” we could have actually given 6 Americans a job for $50K…Or we could have given 10 southerners $30K jobs. and it would have cost the Americans just as much.

You do realize that the Budget is proposed by the US President. NOT Congress. And at least back then the Democrats actually did the right thing and supported the President even though he wasn’t a member of their party, but an AMERICAN.

It seems that today’s GOP/TP doesn’t give a damn about America. They are Republicans first and Americans last and that is after going down a long list.

Congressmen are suppose to endorse the Constitution, not a Republican operative that works for the corporate state. But if the party believes corporations are people then you will understand where their commitment is too. Hint, fascism…………..The Democratic party does not endorse the corporate state, and do not believe corporations are people. Just ask them…………………….That should tell you all you need to know of who to vote for. We are limited to a two party system and trying to use another party to leverage your vote only delutes your vote. You need to infiltrate the Democratic Party by getting involved in the political system and voice your opposition to a corporate state. Staying home only weakens the 99% stance against the corporate machine…………….

A SINGLE lie he has told please.

And the debt back in the day was what compared with with it is now?  Sorry the numbers clearly demonstrate one of two things.  Either you don’t have a clue what you are talking about OR you lie. 

Nah.  That wouldn’t be correct.  You’re a lying Marxist Socialist.

I have not heard anyone say spending is not an issue, but to work through the cuts as witness by the super committee tis not easy task. Revenue is also the issue. Bush cut taxes in 2003 that were unfunded in otherwords he had to way to make up the shortfall left by the cuts. This has represented approximately a trillion and a half since ssign the bill into law. The formal name was The Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 Vote break outthis was voted in 224 Republicans to 7 Democrat in the house and in the senate 50 against and 50 for with Cheney the tie breaker for. They were set to expire after 2010 so even the authors of the bill expected them to go away. 

 So, out of 8,467,000 private sector jobs lost in this dismal cycle, 7,796,000 of
those jobs or 92 percent were lost on the Republicans’ watch or under the sway
of their policies

As you post this BS where are you, NY, Oakland…?  It’s obvious you’re an Occupy What The F**Kever member.  Go take a bath, smoke some more crack than come back and enlighten us with your lies. 

So while you are sitting there in your white trash double wide trailer fuming about people who want to see a more even playing field in this country, please tell me about all the things you do to help create jobs in the economy. After you get back from Wal-Mart, please tell us why you are so protective of the millionaires in this country. You are NEVER GOING TO BE ONE. Tell me what the differences between a Marxist and socialist? I would love to hear your dissertation on the nuances between western European socialism and Marxist Russia. Why are you so stupid. the people in the park are fighting for morons like you. Trust me dude, the Koch Brother wouldn’t walk across the street to piss on you if you were on fire. Why do you keep protecting them.

If the were the case Gregory could have nailed Grover ass to the wall, but he didn’t.  He didn’t even ask the question about holding pledge signers hostage when comes to campaign funds.

Here is how Bush lost the election it is the same thing that is going on today the Republican party is fractured. 

First, Perot spent most of 1992 hammering President Bush over his stewardship of the country. He was free to attack the president unabated at a time when Bill Clinton was still batting away fellow Democratic challengers. So effective was his case to the American people that he topped many mid-summer polls in 1992, beating both Bush and Clinton. The wounds inflicted on Bush by Perot certainly helped take the president down several notches, making Clinton’s victory that much easier.

Secondly, Perot was solely responsible for making the national debt a major issue in 1992. No one really cared about the debt over the course of the ’80s, and had Perot not run, the eventual Democratic nominee, even if it were Bill Clinton, would probably not have come up with the issue on his own. As smart as Clinton was, without Perot showing that the debt issue had political legs, the Arkansas governor would likely have reverted to traditional Democratic talking points about how the Reagan/Bush tax cuts were a giveaway to the rich, and that taxes had to be raised in order to “invest in our country’s future,” or whatever drivel Democrats were peddling back then. Perot, by making the debt the centerpiece of his campaign, gave Clinton a new plank to his own campaign once Perot dropped out and flamed out — that taxes had to be raised to close the deficit. This argument, having been made by both Perot and Clinton, seemed a lot more sensible to voters than the usual Democratic argument that taxes had to go up so that Democrats could spend more money.

Finally, Perot siphoned off a lot of Reagan Coalition voters who were displeased with the Bush Administration. Perot’s economic nationalism appealed to Buchananites, who already had one foot outside of the GOP tent given Pat’s run against Bush earlier in the year. Ross’ seeming dismissal of social issues and isolationist stances were attractive to a lot of forgotten New England Republicans, which is why Perot ran so well in states like Maine, which gave Perot second place in the general election. And his focus on the debt made him the favorite of the green eyeshade types who felt that Reaganomics had been irrational in its projections of future growth. Additionally, I suspect there were a significant number of conservative base voters who cast ballots for Perot as a protest against the president’s perceived RINO-ism, even though Perot is pretty much the definition of a RINO, by today’s standards.

Do both

I agree with you Rex I have been to Townhall.com and these guys babel on about things that have no factual base and it truely is a right Wingnut site. 

During the Eisenhower years, the US drilled and processed its own oil, made its own steel and built its own cars with it, had the only manufacturing that survived WWII, and had a government 1/10th the size of the current one, with 1/10th the regulations, and only half of the Federal Departments.  The US was the only economy building, buying and selling, and spent nowhere near what it spends now on government, and you believe that paying taxes is what caused that.

Actually the republican Presidents have a bigger share in the debt then the Dems!

If the Government tells you what you can make and what you can’t, what you can do and what you can’t, and then demands half your paycheck for it, you’re definitely not royalty…

He also TRIPLED the national debt!

Uh… Have you been to Detroit? They are still making cars. They still make steel in the US. The populations of the US was HALF of what it is today in 1956. Do we need more money to run the government now? Yes. Eisenhower created the interstate highway system which in turn made millions of jobs and gave our people more of a reason to buy a car. So when people paid high taxes we should have had super unemployment according to your logic. 3 – 6 percent unemployment during the Ike years. Quit protecting millionaires idiot. They could give a rat’s ass about you.

you been foud out as a FOOL

Grover
Norquist. Now there’s another tea bagging loser for ya. Hey 401K account
holders….. Did you enjoy the loss to your 401K accounts as a result of
Norquist and his nut sucking teabaggers and spineless republican politicians
who held the nation’s debt ceiling hostage simply for republican gain. If you
have no problem with that, then you should be OK with the next round of things
these GOP idiots are working on to further fleece the middle and lower classes
of the country. Enjoy the knife in your repug backs cause these corporate and
teabag owned repugs in congress are planning on twisting that knife a whole
bunch more very soon.

So, we take all the money from all the rich people, and pay off this year’s deficit.  What do we do next year?

Class-envy fueled greed.  You want what’s yours, and you also want what’s theirs, or at least you don’t want them to have more than you.

You are one of the biggest idiots to start posting here. You are to stupid to see facts laid out in front of you and still pick the wrong answers. Did you graduate from high school? How about Jr. High? Class warfare has happened and it isn’t the greed of the left that has won the war. Do you understand that the top 1% own 50% of the country and the top 1% had an increase in income of 275% over 30 years and the rest had none? You find this to be ok? Then you are a F’n idiot.

Fascinating, the sheer malignancy of the envy.  The desire to take from someone, simply because they have more than you.  You even believe you can justify your desire to steal from them.  Utterly fascinating.

Because there is no reply button to the post you just made… I stand by my last statement in the post you replied to. You are just a f’n idiot.

You are for the complete destruction of the middle class. You care nothing about this country. You are a piece of greedy slimy crap. Please go move to another country that is all about individual greed, conniving schemes to bilk the masses and destroying a society for the sake of the individual. That is the world you want. You make me sick to my stomach.