Psst… pssst… psssst… Sean… over here…

Rush Limbaugh, Hal Turner, Glenn Beck.

Do those names sound familiar?

Anyone who still insists there is no liberal media bias is either stupid or lying. Take your pick libs!

Wait Fox is doing a special on “media bias”? Bwhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah!

Just watched the first part . My observations so far:

1. Brent Bozell looks like a Flash Gordon villain.

2. If Juan Williams is supposed to be the contrarian liberal, its not working.

Thank God for Fox News!

I did not see this coming at all. This is groundbreaking work by the folks at the scare the nervous old people network. I slow clap out of begrudging respect.

Look for my new special (in the same spirit) called, “Some people troll hillbillies on media sites.”

It was a very good show

Here’s the thing: I would love to see an honest assessment of liberal media bias. If there was a straight news documentary on liberal media bias, I’d watch it. But since Hannity is biased, his reporting of liberal media bias is biased.

It’s like that Outfoxed documentary. I would watch an honest assessment of conservative media bias, but it was directed by liberals and liberals made up the majority of the talking heads in the film.

That’s not to say Hannity or Robert Greenwald didn’t make any good points. It’s just that they both have agendas, so I can’t trust them to give an honest assessment of someone else’s agenda.

Josh Feldman said:
Here’s the thing: I would love to see an honest assessment of liberal media bias. If there was a straight news documentary on liberal media bias, I’d watch it. But since Hannity is biased, his reporting of liberal media bias is biased.

It’s like that Outfoxed documentary. I would watch an honest assessment of conservative media bias, but it was directed by liberals and liberals made up the majority of the talking heads in the film.

That’s not to say Hannity or Robert Greenwald didn’t make any good points. It’s just that they both have agendas, so I can’t trust them to give an honest assessment of someone else’s agenda.

This is a reasoned, well-thought post.

Let the flaming on Feldman begin post haste.

Let me be the first to call you a RINO. Or a DINO. Or something. Maybe a cake decorator. Someone help me here.

The pot calling the kettle black.

AP was tooo CHICKEN to release this story during the week! The released it on the Saturday, Easter Holiday Weekend!

In Hawaii, accessing some Obama birth info is easy

By MARK NIESSE
Associated Press

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BIRTH_CERTIFICATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-04-23-09-58-07

ALSO:

In this April 20, 2011 photo, the name Barack Hussain Obama II is seen highlighted in a computer generated birth index from 1960-1964 in a Hawaii State government binder held at the State Department of Health in Honolulu. Lost in the renewed scrutiny into President Obama’s birth records is the fact that anyone can walk into a Hawaii vital records office, wait in line behind couples getting marriage licenses and open a baby-blue government binder containing basic information about his birth. Highlighted in yellow on page 1,218 of the thick binder is the computer-generated listing for a boy named Barack Hussein Obama II born in Hawaii, surrounded by the alphabetized last names of all other children born in-state between 1960 and 1964. This is the only government birth information, called “index data,” available to the public. (AP Photo/Marco Garcia)

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/1/12386e25-e5c6-49d7-a5d7-fded5f918ea4.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Where is a copy of his long form birth certificate?

It appears the entire program wasn’t posted.

Garth said:
Do you mean the really, really, really long form? The one that is rumored to be at least 16 feet long? Hmmmmm. Tea-bagging minds want to know. And that my friends is really all anyone needs to know. LMAO!!

The article the genius linked to has this paragraph btw:

“But those documents are state government property that can’t be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said.”

juan said:
AP was tooo CHICKEN to release this story during the week! The released it on the Saturday, Easter Holiday Weekend!

Where is a copy of his long form birth certificate?

If you bother to read the article:

What the would-be sleuths won’t find is Obama’s “long-form birth certificate,” a confidential one-page document containing his original birth records kept on file in the first floor of the Department of Health.

Those original birth records typically include additional birth details, such as the hospital and delivering doctor, said Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state’s former health director who twice looked at and publicly confirmed Obama’s original long-form birth records.

But those documents are state government property that can’t be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said.

AND

But the birther conspiracy theory refuses to go away. The latest New York Times-CBS News poll found that 45 percent of adult Republicans said they believe Obama was born in another country, and 22 percent said they don’t know. Only one-third of Republicans said they believe the president is native born. The same poll a year ago found that a plurality of Republicans believed the president was born in the U.S.

seek said:
It was a very good show

That’s because you’re biased against liberals. Cable ‘news’ has become like comfort food for a lot of people. It taste good going down but it’s actually really bad for you in the long run.

Damn Skippy. We posted at the exact same time. Clearly, we’re the same person using two different log-ins.

catfishjuggling said:
This is a reasoned, well-thought post.

Let the flaming on Feldman begin post haste.

Let me be the first to call you a RINO. Or a DINO. Or something. Maybe a cake decorator. Someone help me here.

We could call him an IDONTKNO.

Alice67 said:
We could call him an IDONTKNO.

Perfect.

@Josh Feldman…You stated:

Here’s the thing: I would love to see an honest assessment of liberal media bias. If there was a straight news documetary on liberal media bias, I’d watch it. But since Hannity is biased, his reporting of liberal media bias is biased.

On which “unbiased” news channel would we find this documentary? Can’t be on CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS or MesNBC, they are not about to “blow their ‘supposed’ cover!…….Can’t be PBS, as I’ve never seen a report or documentary on PBS that is, or would be, fair and/or accurate in reporting on conservatives, OR media bias.

The only station I “might” believe would be C-Span, although I’m sure they wouldn’t do a documentary on bias, as it might disturb their liberal/progressive viewers!

Alice67 said:
We could call him an IDONTKNO.

Alice. YES! You win the Internets today. Pure awesomeness.

Shorter mamaearth:

“Blah Blah Blah. Liberals are scary.”

juan said:
AP was tooo CHICKEN to release this story during the week! The released it on the Saturday, Easter Holiday Weekend!

In Hawaii, accessing some Obama birth info is easy

By MARK NIESSE
Associated Press

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BIRTH_CERTIFICATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-04-23-09-58-07

ALSO:

In this April 20, 2011 photo, the name Barack Hussain Obama II is seen highlighted in a computer generated birth index from 1960-1964 in a Hawaii State government binder held at the State Department of Health in Honolulu. Lost in the renewed scrutiny into President Obama’s birth records is the fact that anyone can walk into a Hawaii vital records office, wait in line behind couples getting marriage licenses and open a baby-blue government binder containing basic information about his birth. Highlighted in yellow on page 1,218 of the thick binder is the computer-generated listing for a boy named Barack Hussein Obama II born in Hawaii, surrounded by the alphabetized last names of all other children born in-state between 1960 and 1964. This is the only government birth information, called “index data,” available to the public. (AP Photo/Marco Garcia)

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/1/12386e25-e5c6-49d7-a5d7-fded5f918ea4.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Where is a copy of his long form birth certificate?

I’ve got your long form birth certificate, right here.

“What the would-be sleuths won’t find is Obama’s “long-form birth certificate,” a confidential one-page document containing his original birth records kept on file in the first floor of the Department of Health”.

“But those documents are state government property that can’t be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said.”

Let me be the first to call the AP part of the lame stream, liberal-biased media.

Garth said:
Do you mean the really, really, really long form? The one that is rumored to be at least 16 feet long? Hmmmmm. Tea-bagging minds want to know. And that my friends is really all anyone needs to know. LMAO!!

I mean a copy of the original that has something on it that Obama doesn’t like, as Trump says!

HeHeHe

i would have rather seen what amount of unfair abuse a conservative has to endure today in a world where the socialist line between the Obama regime led democrat party and the MSM has become obfuscated into extinction.

It’s sort of a catch 22 though to bring this unethical, probably illegal way of doing business, and make no mistakes about it, for both involved parties it’s got nothing to do with the truth, or even what’s best for the American people. It’s now a 24 hour, 7 day per week maximum profits business even for the liberal politicians.

Obama pays the MSM to sell the dumb enough people, who in turn buy Obama and his ideology keeping the stinking rotton cycle in a sort of perpetual motion. That is until the new sherrif ( FOX NEWS ) came to town. Now the plan doesn’t seem to work so well, but their narcissistic and dumber than drift wood, so bless their non – existent souls, they keep on trying.

Color Me Badd said:
I’ve got your long form birth certificate, right here.

But, you haven’t seen Obama’s!

Hannity is pure GOP propaganda.

What can be said about a show about media bias presented by an admittedly biased person?

I agree with the above post that I would watch an unbiased documentary about liberal/conservative media bia. The thing is who ever would do it would be considered biased by the conservative media. Any media that is even slightly to the left of Fox news is considered ‘biased’ by the Right. I mean don’t they consider NPR to be a propaganda machine?

You would also have to consider that these corporations own all the media in the USA:

General Electric
Walt Disney
News Corp.
Time Warner
Viacom
CBS
and Comcast.

It would be hard to argue that these corps would not benefit from a conservative bias agenda.

I guess you could look at this situation in a Machiavellian way, but that’s a whole other topic.

catfishjuggling said:
Damn Skippy. We posted at the exact same time. Clearly, we’re the same person using two different log-ins.

I posted part of it too. Sorry for the repeat.

Remember Liberals:
The Obama backlash will be, is, and equals the Established Media backlash…
Liberal media owns the disaster that is Obama…

This is such a hackjob piece. If you wanna be combative on the issue, at least have both sides on to defend your case. Brent Bozell? Are you freaking kidding me?! That guy is so naive. I am not against exposing liberal media bias,, I think bot liberal and conservative bias should be brought to the table, but Hannity doing it shows that all it is is the pot calling the kettle black. The media has never been liberal, conservatives don’t like the mainstream media because they don’t report what they want to hear, (I.e, Obama criticism, Acorn, New black panthers, climate denial, conspiracies), they don’t report it because it is not factual! There are conservatives who do have good points, but get rid of the crazies.

The arguments made are just the same old talking points. the guests tried to say that the media made Palin look stupid, no they didn’t, they were asking questions that anyone could answer (I.e. Vice presidential nominees), Palin was just an idiot! There is no pan handling to the left, it is all fair. MSNBC, clearly has bias, but I watch them because I agree with a lot of them, just like Fox viewers do. My final thought for this, is that Sean Hannity averages about 2.0-2.2 million viewers, NBC Nightly news gets 4x times that. Think about it.

skoorbekim said:
Remember Liberals:
The Obama backlash will be, is, and equals the Established Media backlash…
Liberal media owns the disaster that is Obama…

And conservative media owns nothing.

Publius219 said:
Hannity is pure GOP propaganda.

He was correct about Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers, and BECK was correct about gold!

Trump is correct about Obama! HeHeHe

mamaearth said:
On which “unbiased” news channel would we find this documentary? Can’t be on CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS or MesNBC, they are not about to “blow their ’supposed’ cover!…….Can’t be PBS, as I’ve never seen a report or documentary on PBS that is, or would be, fair and/or accurate in reporting on conservatives, OR media bias.

The only station I “might” believe would be C-Span, although I’m sure they wouldn’t do a documentary on bias, as it might disturb their liberal/progressive viewers!

I don’t disagree with your first point. Particular individuals with a history of potential liberal bias should not be trusted to do a documentary on conservative media bias. I’m with you there. And as for MSNBC, no. Just no.

However, as for the other networks, I don’t think it’s fair to malign everyone there for being agenda-driven. Some anchors on CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and PBS have hinted towards liberal media bias, so those particular individuals would not be trusted to report fairly on conservative media bias, but there are anchors on these networks who follow the rules of good journalism to the letter.

What we need is a good conversation on media bias. A good substantive one, where we can acknowledge that there is a tendency for some on the major news networks to make more liberal statements (sometimes unconsciously, sometimes not), MSNBC cannot be taken as a serious news source because it is an agenda-driven network, and on Fox News, there is a tendency to overemphasize their agenda as well.

WutzUpWithThat said:
It would be hard to argue that these corps would not benefit from a conservative bias agenda

Open your eyes and ears… You are being lied to…

name me a second conservative news channel on TV…

catfishjuggling said:
And conservative media owns nothing.

in terms of mass viewership?

This is kind of funny and pathetic at the same time, about the incident with Quayle, and what happened to the kid. The media definitely used the kid to go after Quayle, kinda proving Hannity’s point here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/29/nyregion/politics-how-do-you-spell-regret-one-man-s-take-on-it.html

http://www.capitalcentury.com/1992.html

skoorbekim said:
Open your eyes and ears… You are being lied to…

name me a second conservative news channel on TV…

The Fox channel is NOT news. It is GOP propaganda. End of story.

Skippy said:
The Fox channel is NOT news. It is GOP propaganda. End of story.

You are not worth conversing with…
Fox Lies!!! I get it… you bought what the Libs have sold you… carry on…

skoorbekim said:
in terms of mass viewership?

No. More people watch video of cats saying “I love you” than watch the scary news channel.

They don’t own their errors on Fox though.

MSNBC needs to own Obama in your world. (and Obama is a failure, so I am fine with that). But, Fox isn’t owning carrying the water for 6 failed years of Bush (SIC—he didn’t fail until Iraq, before that I was fine with him)

catfishjuggling said:
No. More people watch video of cats saying “I love you” than watch the scary news channel. They don’t own their errors on Fox though. MSNBC needs to own Obama in your world. (and Obama is a failure, so I am fine with that). But, Fox isn’t owning carrying the water for 6 failed years of Bush (SIC—he didn’t fail until Iraq, before that I was fine with him)

Let’s talk viewership #’s
FNC’s 3M carrying Bush’s water vs… NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN (20M) carrying Obama’s water…

skoorbekim said:
You are not worth conversing with…
Fox Lies!!! I get it… you bought what the Libs have sold you… carry on…

You do know that EVEN Fox executives have made a distinction in their programming between “hard news” and “opinion shows”?

How many hours of “hard news” does Fox show per day?
And even within those “hard news” Fox manages to insert republican propaganda.

skoorbekim said:
Let’s talk viewership #’s
FNC’s 3M carrying Bush’s water vs… NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN (20M) carrying Obama’s water…

Dipshit. I am not defending any of the others.

“I am not guilty of raping this chicken because other people murder hobos,” is not an acceptable defence for Fox’s malfeasance.

skoorbekim said:
Open your eyes and ears… You are being lied to…

name me a second conservative news channel on TV…

That wasn’t my point.

I was basically saying that a liberal biased media would be, on it’s face, counter intuitive in a financial way to the 7 corporations that own all the media in the USA.

I still can’t believe that 7 corporations own all the media in the USA. We’re talking TV stations as well satellite and cable, radio, newspapers. Everything we’re fed in the media comes though these 7 corporations. It makes me wonder is Skynet is already here?

Skippy said:
You do know that EVEN Fox executives have made a distinction in their programming between “hard news” and “opinion shows”? How many hours of “hard news” does Fox show per day?And even within those “hard news” Fox manages to insert republican propaganda.

CBS nightly news is followed by Two and a Half Men… what’s your point?

what you call Rep Propaganda is to others a Conservative way of looking at the world…
Do you really think that FOXN is brainwashing hicks?

skoorbekim said:

Do you really think that FOXN is brainwashing hicks?

Yes.

WutzUpWithThat said:
That wasn’t my point. I was basically saying that a liberal biased media would be, on it’s face, counter intuitive in a financial way to the 7 corporations that own all the media in the USA. I still can’t believe that 7 corporations own all the media in the USA. We’re talking TV stations as well satellite and cable, radio, newspapers. Everything we’re fed in the media comes though these 7 corporations. It makes me wonder is Skynet is already here?

look at your thought process (I am not being condescending…)…
If there is a contradiction, check your premise…

catfishjuggling said:
Yes.

I know you are joking…

Garth said:
It’s out there if you care to find it. You are just intellectually lazy and a certifiable dumb shit. He he he.

Where is it out there?

The only thing out ther is a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) not a Birth Certificate! Big difference so try again!

skoorbekim said:
I know you are joking…

I’m not.

MSNBC brainwashes patchouli smelling hippies.

Fox News brainwashes scared hillbillies.

As I said:

“I am not guilty of raping this chicken because other people murder hobos,” is not an acceptable defence for Fox’s malfeasance.

Now, how on EARTH could somebody possibly label conservatives that way??

I mean, when your network constantly demonizes minority groups like ACORN….or talks about long-since-irrelevant groups like the Black Panthers…..or gives air time to people who act like being a muslim would be a disqualifying factor for Barack Obama……I mean, how could ANYONE possibly think there might be a racist bone in your bodies????

Or when people on the right spend endless ink and air time demonizing people with Master’s degrees and PhDs at universities….the people who have spent lots of time getting an education? How could anyone say you’re stupid???

Or when you argue that the Earth is only 6000 years old???? How could anyone possibly arrive at the conclusion that you’re dumb?

Those labels may be stereotypes, but they didn’t just come from out of the blue.

More “oh woe is us” victimhood from the Right.

any rational person can annihilate hannity’s argument in less than one paragraph:

just because a media organization is critical of the GOP, or even movement conservativism, does not necessarily make said organization “liberal”

not to mention the fact that the american “mainstream” media is owned by a handful of corporate conglomerates, none of which stand to benefit from taking a liberal stance on the most important
matters facing our society: monetary policy, militarism, imperialism, tax policy, etc.

in fact, the *opposite* is true: these conglomerates stand to benefit by perpetuating the status quo,
which of course, only benefits the rich and powerful.

catfishjuggling said:
I’m not.

People, ALL people, have enough common sense to change the channel…

Garth said:
And he was also correct when he said that he can always count on you for a good tea-bagging. He he he.

He didn’t say that so keep trying!

I don’t think conservatives are racist or bigoted because they’ll do what it takes to get votes from anyone (re: Sarah’s comment about GOProud at CPAC).

Hard to defend them being stupid when Palin WAS the best they had, and now Trump has rocketed to top slot on the Birther Issue (if he was smart, or “conservatives” cared, he’d be talking about plans to fix the economy).

Today’s “conservatives” are different – they used to be more fiscal minded until Reagan started spending (on defense). Then they jumped on social issues to separate themselves from Dems. Both increase the deficit, but Dems do it by spending (which also benefits Republicans/their states), but today’s conservatives do it by pushing for tax cuts to benefit their high dollar buddies. BUT now both will make cuts that affect EVERYONE – Republicans would be affected by Ryan nixing Medicare. If the “conservative” sideshows stop distracting with criticism and dumb issues, maybe more Republicans will see this.

mibwilso said:
Or when you argue that the Earth is only 6000 years old????

So you think Conservatives believe that? And then you call other people dumb?!
Who believes in global warming? Answer: the same types that believed in global cooling in the 1970′s… Liberals.

skoorbekim said:
CBS nightly news is followed by Two and a Half Men… what’s your point?

what you call Rep Propaganda is to others a Conservative way of looking at the world…
Do you really think that FOXN is brainwashing hicks?

And then you demand people take you seriously…

CBS, and for that matter any other broadcaster, doesn’t promote itself as “cable NEWS” and “Fair and Balanced”
You are admitting Fox indeed is NOT news AND you see it as “a conservative way of looking at the world”
OPINION. NOT news.

skoorbekim said:
People, ALL people, have enough common sense to change the channel…

Then you have no complaint with the so-called left leaning news channels. People can just change the channel. They are smart enough.

Problem solved.

No more bitching about the liberal media anymore.

Let’s all go home now.

skoorbekim said:
People, ALL people, have enough common sense to change the channel…

And ALL people can have enough courage to fight the outright lies spewed by Fox.

Should we go through the list?

Skippy said:
CBS, and for that matter any other broadcaster, doesn’t promote itself as “cable NEWS” and “Fair and Balanced”

I’m sorry…
I must have misinterpreted the title: “CBS Evening News with Katie Couric”…
CBS does not promote itself as a news source… got it///////////////////////////////////////

skoorbekim said:
look at your thought process (I am not being condescending…)…
If there is a contradiction, check your premise…

Not sure what you mean? I’m basically wondering out loud how these 7 corporations would benefit from a liberal bias?

It’s a belief amongst the Right that a conservative agenda is better for the free market. So with that in mind isn’t it a fiduciary responsibility of these corporations to push a conservative bias?

catfishjuggling said:
Then you have no complaint with the so-called left leaning news channels. People can just change the channel. They are smart enough.
Problem solved.
No more bitching about the liberal media anymore.
Let’s all go home now.

Yes! But we can laugh at them… And we can look at the POTUS they claimed was Hope & Change and shake our heads and take our money to other news sources… The New Media…

Skippy said:
And ALL people can have enough courage to fight the outright lies spewed by Fox.

Fox Lies… Got it… leave me alone…

skoorbekim said:
Yes! But we can laugh at them… And we can look at the POTUS they claimed was Hope & Change and shake our heads and take our money to other news sources… The New Media…

And people can do the same to Fox and you can’t get your panties in a bunch when they do.

America.

The healing has begun.

darladoon said:
not to mention the fact that the american “mainstream” media is owned by a handful of corporate conglomerates, none of which stand to benefit from taking a liberal stance on the most important
matters facing our society: monetary policy, militarism, imperialism, tax policy, etc.

in fact, the *opposite* is true: these conglomerates stand to benefit by perpetuating the status quo,
which of course, only benefits the rich and powerful.

This basically what I was trying to get at, but you articulated this much better than I did.

and btw, today’s modern conservative movement, otherwise known as the GOP, is so batsh*t crazy that SOMEONE better be criticizing them! it clearly isn’t very hard to do when all they want to do is reward billionaires on the backs of senior citizens, poor people, the unemployed, the environment, etc, etc.

WutzUpWithThat said:
Not sure what you mean? I’m basically wondering out loud how these 7 corporations would benefit from a liberal bias?
It’s a belief amongst the Right that a conservative agenda is better for the free market. So with that in mind isn’t it a fiduciary responsibility of these corporations to push a conservative bias?

If you see a contradiction… check the premises that are causing the contradiction…
logic exercise… why would a “corporation” not be “conservative”? what part of that logical equation is leading to a false conclusion…

skoorbekim said:
So you think Conservatives believe that? And then you call other people dumb?!Who believes in global warming? Answer: the same types that believed in global cooling in the 1970’s… Liberals.

Why haven’t the DEMs in Congress and Al Gore been JAILED for tje Global Warming Scare HOAX and SCAM?

Skippy said:
And ALL people can have enough courage to fight the outright lies spewed by Fox.

Should we go through the list?

Fox leans right and MSNBO lean left. What’s your problem? A site like Newsbusters keeps track of the lies and misrepresentations of msnbc. What a brainwashed zombie you are.

darladoon said:
any rational person can annihilate hannity’s argument in less than one paragraph:

Yeah, what Liberal bias? Just because we all know the name of Abby Gifford, the Democrat who was wounded by the nut in Tucson, but don’t know whats-his-name’s name who was the Republican judge WHO WAS MURDERED ON THE SCENE doesn’t indicate anything. Nope………….no proof here.

And the non-Liberal, non-biased media that barely mentions the deaths today in Libya and Afghanistan that went completely out of their minds over some school-yard hazing at Abu Graib means NOTHING, I tell ya………..NOTHING! ! Cheney and Rumsfeld were NEVER called on to resign over that……………….RIGHT?

And it’s definitely NOT liberal news bias to demand Bush go to prison for his “unconstitutional” monitoring of terrorists phone calls and emails, then give Hussein a complete nod over his un-constitutional confiscation of US corporations and our medical system. No bias, no bias, no, no, no. Now, keep repeating……………..

juan said:
Why haven’t the DEMs in Congress and Al Gore been JAILED for tje Global Warming Scare HOAX and SCAM?

Because no one has charged them with any crimes, I guess. I haven’t been to law school, but I think that is the first step.

UPDATE: It is the first step.

darladoon said:
and btw, today’s modern conservative movement, otherwise known as the GOP, is so batsh*t crazy that SOMEONE better be criticizing them! it clearly isn’t very hard to do when all they want to do is reward billionaires on the backs of senior citizens, poor people, the unemployed, the environment, etc, etc.

What a CROC!

Corporatioms provide jobs and hire people!

note to hannity: it is not “common knowledge” that the mainstream media has a liberal bias.

most journalists these days are merely stenographers: they write down what rich and powerful people have to say, and then they merely repeat it to the masses.

they don’t actually do the reporting to figure out whether or not what those people say is actually true.

case in point: the iraq war. the greatest foreign policy disaster in america’s history was based on LIES.

catfishjuggling said:

juan said:
Why haven’t the DEMs in Congress and Al Gore been JAILED for tje Global Warming Scare HOAX and SCAM?

Because no one has charged them with any crimes, I guess. I haven’t been to law school, but I think that is the first step.
UPDATE: It is the first step.

Yep! The second step is the SLAMMER!

skoorbekim said:
So you think Conservatives believe that? And then you call other people dumb?!.

If you believe in Creationism and Biblical literalism, that’s exactly what you’re saying. Plenty of GOP candidates have gone around the country promoting creationism in schools etc. That’s on the record. No need for me to make it up.

As for global warming, the difference is that people who actually acknowledge that it’s happening have plenty of evidence to support their beliefs.

With conservatives, all you ever get from them on global warming is “because I say so”. They never present a single iota of evidence to back up their claims.

With Conservatives, they just have to believe something for it to be true…..doesn’t matter worth a damn what the facts say.

juan said:
HOAX and SCAM?

It only became a scam when $$$ became a climate tool…

juan said:
Yep! The second step is the SLAMMER!

Call me when the first step happens.

skoorbekim said:
If you see a contradiction… check the premises that are causing the contradiction…
logic exercise… why would a “corporation” not be “conservative”? what part of that logical equation is leading to a false conclusion…

I see no contradictions nor false conclusions. We may have different definitions or theory but no contradictions.

I don’t mind Gore saying there’s global warming. I mind that he tells everyone to conserve, then uses private jets and lives in a house that uses as much electricity as a small town.

Davo said:
Yeah, what Liberal bias? Just because we all know the name of Abby Gifford, the Democrat who was wounded by the nut in Tucson, but don’t know whats-his-name’s name who was the Republican judge WHO WAS MURDERED ON THE SCENE doesn’t indicate anything. Nope………….no proof here.

Sorry but this borders on paranoia. There were 7 people killed that day. Do you know all their names except for the Republican judge?

Davo said:
over some school-yard hazing at Abu Graib

Too much, really.

mibwilso said:
If you believe in Creationism and Biblical literalism, that’s exactly what you’re saying. Plenty of GOP candidates have gone around the country promoting creationism in schools etc

Conservatism to me is the balanced budget of a limited Gov’t and the Bill of Rights…

mibwilso said:
As for global warming, the difference is that people who actually acknowledge that it’s happening have plenty of evidence to support their beliefs.

There is not ONE scientific fact the supports man-made global warming… try me…

skoorbekim said:
Fox Lies… Got it… leave me alone…

From: Sammon, Bill
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:23 AM
To: 054 -FNSunday; 169 -SPECIAL REPORT; 069 -Politics; 030 -Root (FoxNews.Com); 036 -FOX.WHU; 050 -Senior Producers; 051 -Producers
Subject: friendly reminder: let’s not slip back into calling it the “public option”

1) Please use the term “government-run health insurance” or, when brevity is a concern, “government option,” whenever possible.

2) When it is necessary to use the term “public option” (which is, after all, firmly ensconced in the nation’s lexicon), use the qualifier “so-called,” as in “the so-called public option.”

3) Here’s another way to phrase it: “The public option, which is the government-run plan.”

4) When newsmakers and sources use the term “public option” in our stories, there’s not a lot we can do about it, since quotes are of course sacrosanct.

You are welcome.

Davo said:
Yeah, what Liberal bias? Just because we all know the name of Abby Gifford, the Democrat who was wounded by the nut in Tucson, but don’t know whats-his-name’s name who was the Republican judge WHO WAS MURDERED ON THE SCENE doesn’t indicate anything.

You’re an idiot….you must have not watched any of the news coverage at the time.

John Roll is the judge’s name….and I even heard that on MSNBC. He was named over and over and over by every media outlet I saw.

You don’t hear about him as much now because he’s DEAD….the story is over. Gabby Giffords is still alive, and therefore there still news to cover.

juan said:
What a CROC!

Corporatioms provide jobs and hire people!

so because corporations create jobs, we shouldn’t concern ourselves with:

1. whether they pay their fair share of taxes

2. how much they pollute

3. whether they offer a living wage

4. whether they ship jobs overseas

5. whether they are corrupt or fraudulent, etc, etc

slickerwick said:
Fox leans right and MSNBO lean left. What’s your problem? A site like Newsbusters keeps track of the lies and misrepresentations of msnbc. What a brainwashed zombie you are.

Actually, A-MESS-NBC leans Socialist/Communist! O’Donnell is an avowed Socialist, Maddow has said she is a “commie-pinko,” and Ed held a Socialist Rally ( and did they leave a Big MESS)!

skoorbekim said:
There is not ONE scientific fact the supports man-made global warming… try me…

Sorry…I’m not going to get baited into a circular argument with you. That’s the classic Republican tactic.

Demand facts….and when Democrats present them, just say that the facts are biased.

WutzUpWithThat said:
I see no contradictions nor false conclusions. We may have different definitions or theory but no contradictions.

You are assuming that a “corporation” equals “a right wing ideology”… That is certainly not the case…
Look at Google…

skoorbekim said:
Conservatism to me is the balanced budget of a limited Gov’t and the Bill of Rights… There is not ONE scientific fact the supports man-made global warming… try me…

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=54192

darladoon said:
so because corporations create jobs, we shouldn’t concern ourselves with: 1. whether they pay their fair share of taxes 2. how much they pollute 3. whether they offer a living wage 4. whether they ship jobs overseas 5. whether they are corrupt or fraudulent, etc, etc

You’re really being SILLY!

mibwilso said:
Sorry…I’m not going to get baited into a circular argument with you. That’s the classic Republican tactic. Demand facts….and when Democrats present them, just say that the facts are biased.

No, No…

Science is based on predictability… w/out predictabilty there is no scientific proof…

skoorbekim said:
Conservatism to me is the balanced budget of a limited Gov’t and the Bill of Rights…

conservatives suddenly became concerned about those issues on january 20, 2009.

during the previous 30 years? not concerned one iota.

juan said:
You’re really being SILLY!

i guess by “silly” you mean “making an obvious counter-rebuttal to your non-rebuttal”

TheEagle said:
http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=54192

Fact one on your link:
“The most respected scientific bodies have stated unequivocally that global warming is occurring, and people are causing it.”
please?! give me a scientific fact… ice caps, rising oceans, temps…

i’m curious whether the editors of mediaite perceive some validity to hannity’s points.

The brilliance of this – as is the case with much of the Fox News – is to present a mix of facts and fiction. It’s impossible for even the above average viewer, who has no time to delve into the level of minutia presented in this “documentary”, to hold more than a vague opinion about this, and certainly cannot say where the truth ends and the lie begins. It all sounds vaguely probable to even the skeptic. If you’ve already decided that Fox is the only network telling the truth, you’ll just accept it. It’s a bit like a religious belief: Fox said it. I believe it. That settles it.
So, first present a mixture of truth, half-truths and out and out lies; AND do this as an offensive volley in the war for the minds of people. It’s a race in the battle to win – and then to close – as many minds as possible…something that Fox has done with incredible skill and alacrity.
Repetition makes a lie believable. After it’s been retold enough times, the lies become a given. Then you can create another lie with the now commonly accepted ‘truth’ as your premise.
We never tell lies…we never tell lies…we never tell lies…or to put it another way:
Fair and balanced. Fair and balanced. Fair and balanced…

Garth said:
Yes he did. Something you can be proud of.

Trump is REALLY frustrating you and the Left!

He is a BIG THREAT to you, the Left, and Obama!

That’s a very GOOD thing for America!

btw, hannity is a college dropout, and this is evident in his 2nd grade level ability to make a cogent argument

darladoon said:
conservatives suddenly became concerned about those issues on january 20, 2009.
during the previous 30 years? not concerned one iota.

you are assuming that Bush was a Conservative ONLY because of his religion… (Libs might call that bigotry…)

skoorbekim said:
You are assuming that a “corporation” equals “a right wing ideology”… That is certainly not the case…
Look at Google…

Using your framing – I was saying “corporation” would benefit financially from “right wing ideology”

skoorbekim said:
No, No…

Science is based on predictability… w/out predictabilty there is no scientific proof…

I thought you clowns didn’t believe in science.
Disn’t half the “Crass of 2008″, who ran for the GOP nomination, swear at a debate they did not believe in evolution?

writer said:
I don’t mind Gore saying there’s global warming. I mind that he tells everyone to conserve, then uses private jets and lives in a house that uses as much electricity as a small town.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/romney-gore-jet/
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000544.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/18/hannity-pathetic/

skoorbekim said:
No, No…

Science is based on predictability… w/out predictabilty there is no scientific proof…

Huh?? Says who? You need to explain what you mean a little further. Perhaps you’re referring to “replicability”?

skoorbekim said:
No, No…

Science is based on predictability… w/out predictabilty there is no scientific proof…

Wouldn’t matter to most conservatives anyway. Even if you presented them with scientific proof that meets that definition, they would still say “Well, I just don’t think that’s true”…..or “It’s only Europeans who say that”.

Eagle, ever heard of chartering? And Gore does live in a mansion that uses tons of energy. He should downscale a bit if he really wants to set a good example.

WutzUpWithThat said:
Using your framing – I was saying “corporation” would benefit financially from “right wing ideology”

Yes… and I can show multiple cases in which that is false…
Liberals and corporations are, in many cases, symbiotic entities…

Joseph Glackin said:
I thought you clowns didn’t believe in science.
Disn’t half the “Crass of 2008″, who ran for the GOP nomination, swear at a debate they did not believe in evolution?

That would be a clownish way to look at large groups of people…

skoorbekim said:
Fact one on your link:“The most respected scientific bodies have stated unequivocally that global warming is occurring, and people are causing it.”please?! give me a scientific fact… ice caps, rising oceans, temps…

http://www.edf.org/article.cfm?contentid=11025
http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagid=54136

mibwilso said:
Huh?? Says who? You need to explain what you mean a little further. Perhaps you’re referring to “replicability”?

There is no science if you can not predict the outcome of your theory…

mibwilso said:
Wouldn’t matter to most conservatives anyway. Even if you presented them with scientific proof that meets that definition, they would still say “Well, I just don’t think that’s true”…..or “It’s only Europeans who say that”.

try me…

skoorbekim said:
you are assuming that Bush was a Conservative ONLY because of his religion… (Libs might call that bigotry…)

i love how (suddenly) bush wasn’t actually a conservative, despite wall-to-wall bush worship by conservatives during the years 2000-2008.

the reason they now argue that bush wasn’t actually a conservative, is because bush destroyed the country.

so, conservativism wasn’t at fault. it was just bush.

you could argue that the iraq and afghanistan wars weren’t “conservative”, sure, but it was the VERY CONSERVATIVE bush tax cuts which are the single greatest cause of our structural deficits.

If there were on Liberal bias in the news, there would be no Bernie Goldbergs, Andrew Breitbarts, or Bill O’Reillys coming forth from that Liberal infestation to report to us of their views from the inside.

If there were no Liberal news bias, there would be no Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, or Sean Hannity………..and Rush Limbaugh would still be announcing sporting events in a small market. But instead, that vast majority of Americans have renounced the Liberal news and embraced these truth-seeking patriots with overwhelming enthusiasm.

If there were no Liberal news bias, there would be no Liberal rage shown here and in the meda over the existence of a single news channel that refuses to tow the Liberal line.

Truthfully, the DCMPN……….the Democrat Campaign Media Posing as News…………is seen as such by so many TV viewers that FOX News consistently blows the doors off of the Leftists in ratings day in and day out.

juan said:
Trump is REALLY frustrating you and the Left!

He is a BIG THREAT to you, the Left, and Obama!

That’s a very GOOD thing for America!

Run Trump run!

darladoon said:
i love how (suddenly) bush wasn’t actually a conservative, despite wall-to-wall bush worship by conservatives during the years 2000-2008.

If Bush was an athiest who favored abortion he would be a Liberal….

Dear Eagle,

Please stop.

These folks are not interested in facts or hard data.

Unless they get it from the TV.

skoorbekim said:
There is no science if you can not predict the outcome of your theory…

The thing that most people don’t realize is that in scientific terms, the word “theory” is as close to calling something a “fact” as it ever gets. But for something to be called a theory takes a great deal of consensus.

A theory isn’t just a random guess. Gravity is considered a “theory”.

skoorbekim said:
try me…

“We like America. (The other media) don’t hate it, they just are constantly telling you what’s wrong. There’s never a good story about America. We don’t promote something that isn’t true.”

- Jabba the Ailes

Ironic, ain’t it?

writer said:
Eagle, ever heard of chartering? And Gore does live in a mansion that uses tons of energy. He should downscale a bit if he really wants to set a good example.

Do you have any evidence of chartering? Or are you just parroting talking points?
About the house using tons of solar energy IS setting a good example: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp

Xauftly said:

So, first present a mixture of truth, half-truths and out and out lies; AND do this as an offensive volley in the war for the minds of people.

What lies have been told by FOX News?

skoorbekim said:
If Bush was an athiest who favored abortion he would be a Liberal….

What’s wrong with either of those things? I’ve meet some conservative atheists too, by the way.

WutzUpWithThat said:
Using your framing – I was saying “corporation” would benefit financially from “right wing ideology”

precisely.

if media organizations were truly liberal, in their framing, then they would be hammering away at the ever-widening chasm between the rich and the poor in this country, rather than framing it as “the democrats are pushing class warfare” or “the president was mean to paul ryan” or “billionaires are job creators”

mibwilso said:
Gravity is considered a “theory”.

Can you predict gravity?
It is a characteristic of the universe… a force… a predictable force and therefore a SCIENCE…

According to NES (the company providing Gore’s electricity) his house uses as much in a month as an average citizen uses in a year.

mibwilso said:
What’s wrong with either of those things? I’ve meet some conservative atheists too, by the way.

I am a Conservative agnostic… Conservativism is not based on a religion…

Skippy said:
“We like America. (The other media) don’t hate it, they just are constantly telling you what’s wrong. There’s never a good story about America. We don’t promote something that isn’t true.”

- Jabba the Ailes

RIght, but the purpose of a free press is to be skeptical of leaders and people in power……if not, you would have state-run TV.

skoorbekim said:
I am a Conservative agnostic… Conservativism is not based on a religion…

Liberalism is not based on a religion either….nor is it based on atheism.

And perhaps the conservatism you speak of is not inherently religious….but 99% of your fellow conservatives would probably argue with you on that point.

juan said:
What lies have been told by FOX News?

– Apparently, these populist protests don’t count much for them. Millions concerned they’re being taxed and feed to death counts even less for them. But a Million March March that turns out to be well shy of a million men — even half a million men — does count for them. We covered the follow-up marches to that Million Man March, because no matter the number, it was a big deal. [Fox News, 4/9/09]

– We do not pick and choose these rallies and protests. We were there for the Million Man March, even though, as I pointed out, it turned out to be well shy of a million men. [Fox Business, 4/11/09]

– Because like in the Million Man March, it didn’t turn out to be a million men, but it got covered. [Fox Business, 4/11/09]

– You seem to pick and choose what events and protests were worthy. Million Man March, worthy, even though it wasn’t a million men, it was half a million. We covered that because we thought it had a worthy message too. [Fox News, 4/8/09]

– But a Million March March that turns out to be well shy of a million men — even half a million men — does count for them. We covered the follow-up marches to that Million Man March, because no matter the number, it was a big deal. [Fox Business, 4/9/09]

All by Neil Crapputo

TheEagle said:
Do you have any evidence of chartering? Or are you just parroting talking points?About the house using tons of solar energy IS setting a good example: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp

FYI:

In fact, Snopes, . . . . . . . .is not the well staffed tank of researchers . . . . one might expect, but rather, the work of David and Barbara Mickkleson living in a Los Angeles suburb.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91196

skoorbekim said:
I am a Conservative agnostic… Conservativism is not based on a religion…

I am a liberal agnostic. I’m not someone who’s going to say “There is no God”…..but I will say that I definitely don’t believe in the version of God that most churches talk about.

juan said:
What lies have been told by FOX News?

where do you start?!

Skippy said:
All by Neil Crapputo

What were the lies? Try again!

darladoon said:
where do you start?!

I don’t!

skoorbekim said:
Can you predict gravity?
It is a characteristic of the universe… a force… a predictable force and therefore a SCIENCE…

We agree on that. The point that I was making earlier was that so many Conservatives dismiss science (such as the theory of evolution) because they say “It’s just a theory”.

skoorbekim said:
Yes… and I can show multiple cases in which that is false…
Liberals and corporations are, in many cases, symbiotic entities…

Now you’ve kind of run off on technical definitions of individual words. I am using the word “corporation” in a direct reference to the actual corporations that own all of the media.

So you’re saying that think these 7 corporations (News Corp not included) basically have a liberal bias because it’s financially beneficial to them?

And yes, I would like to see an example of my presupposition that these specific 7 corporations would benefit greater financially from a conservative bias (by you definition: right wing ideology) being false.

mibwilso said:
but 99% of your fellow conservatives would probably argue with you on that point.

do you think I never leave the house?
your view of what is Conservative is wrong… so be it…

Skippy said:
“We like America. (The other media) don’t hate it, they just are constantly telling you what’s wrong. There’s never a good story about America. We don’t promote something that isn’t true.”

- Jabba the Ailes

Ironic, ain’t it?

If you want a media that only says good things about its country, try North Korea. Here, we have a FREE press, whose job it is to be skeptical.

When Al trades in the mansion for a three bedroom ranch, I’ll be the first to say he’s walking the walk.

skoorbekim said:
do you think I never leave the house?
your view of what is Conservative is wrong… so be it…

No. I understand where YOU are coming from….but I don’t think your brand of conservatism is the political reality for those who call themselves “conservatives” in this country today

mibwilso said:
If you want a media that only says good things about its country, try North Korea. Here, we have a FREE press, whose job it is to be skeptical.

One thing is to be skeptical. A completely different and repugnant thing is to spew lies like Fox does.

mibwilso said:
I am a liberal agnostic. I’m not someone who’s going to say “There is no God”…..but I will say that I definitely don’t believe in the version of God that most churches talk about.

I have read some philosohpy that has blown my mind… philosophy reasons that God is not some old man in heaven… God is much more… a force… a starting point… not necessarily a being but a something

Libs like saying these things (among many other lies):
(1.) Unemployment will rise to 8% unless we pass the stimulus bill
(2.) There is no liberal media bias

skoorbekim said:
Can you predict gravity?
It is a characteristic of the universe… a force… a predictable force and therefore a SCIENCE…

Right…but scientists are not calling global warming a “theory”. They haven’t elevated it to that status.

They’re simply saying that they have evidence that the planet is getting hotter….and there is some evidence to support the idea that humans are playing a role in that.

It has not been termed a “scientific theory”.

juan said:
What were the lies? Try again!

Fox News was not around when the Million Dollar March took place, juanito.

WutzUpWithThat said:
So you’re saying that think these 7 corporations (News Corp not included) basically have a liberal bias because it’s financially beneficial to them?

GE?
VIACOM?
Liberal or Conservative?

skoorbekim said:
I have read some philosohpy that has blown my mind… philosophy reasons that God is not some old man in heaven… God is much more… a force… a starting point… not necessarily a being but a something

That’s closer to what I believe.

I just think the old-man-in-the-sky notion is silly….and I don’t think God cares who wins the local football game (or any of the other daily nonsense that we engage in). That’s part of why I have a problem with modern day churches.

mibwilso said:
They’re simply saying that they have evidence that the planet is getting hotter….and there is some evidence to support the idea that humans are playing a role in that.

The Earth has been much hotter than it is today… and not too long ago…
Take the Mann’s Hockey Stick Model and extend it out a couple houndred years… the 1300′s were a lot hotter than today…

skoorbekim said:
The Earth has been much hotter than it is today… and not too long ago…
Take the Mann’s Hockey Stick Model and extend it out a couple houndred years… the 1300’s were a lot hotter than today…

That may be true….but the whole point of discussing climate change is not to say that it’s getting hotter than it’s ever been.

The point is that it’s getting hotter than it’s been since humans have been around. There are real consequences for humans if the global temperature continues to rise. It affects everything from weather to ocean currents to food production.

mibwilso said:
That’s closer to what I believe. I just think the old-man-in-the-sky notion is silly….and I don’t think God cares who wins the local football game (or any of the other daily nonsense that we engage in). That’s part of why I have a problem with modern day churches.

But, In the infinity of life, do you think it is your place to discount those who do believe in a God existing in their own image?
If it all fades to black, why care that a person loves her own god?

skoorbekim said:
The Earth has been much hotter than it is today… and not too long ago…
Take the Mann’s Hockey Stick Model and extend it out a couple houndred years… the 1300’s were a lot hotter than today…

PS- I do realize that humans were around in 1300s but I’m not sure what this model that you’re referring to is.

Either way, my point still stands…which is that temperature increases are really happening…and that those increases have implications for the way we live.

juan said:
What lies have been told by FOX News?

I told you yesterday, buckle up your seatbelt, America. Find the exit — there’s one here, here, and here. Find the exit closest to you and prepare for a crash landing. Because this plane is coming down, because the pilot is intentionally steering it into the trees!

Most likely, it’ll happen sometime after Christmas. You’re gonna see this economy come up — we’re already seeing it, and now it’s gonna start coming back down again. And when you see the effects of what they’re doing to the economy, remember these words: We will survive. No — we’ll do better than survive, we will thrive. As long as these people are not in control. They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered!

- Beck, November 2009

Some track record, eh?

skoorbekim said:
But, In the infinity of life, do you think it is your place to discount those who do believe in a God existing in their own image?
If it all fades to black, why care that a person loves her own god?

Personally, I don’t care what someone else believes….it’s when those beliefs start leading them to pass laws that affect me that I have a problem.

mibwilso said:
PS- I do realize that humans were around in 1300s but I’m not sure what this model that you’re referring to is. Either way, my point still stands…which is that temperature increases are really happening…and that those increases have implications for the way we live.

but could be natural, and beyond our control

mibwilso said:
That may be true….but the whole point of discussing climate change is not to say that it’s getting hotter than it’s ever been. The point is that it’s getting hotter than it’s been since humans have been around. There are real consequences for humans if the global temperature continues to rise. It affects everything from weather to ocean currents to food production.

It simply is not true… Expand Mann’s Hockey Stick… using Greenland Ice core data… out thousands of years…
the Earth today is no hotter… I think the figure is that 9,900 years have been hotter than last year… I could source that if you like…

cjd ohio 1 said:
but could be natural, and beyond our control

Even if it ultimately does turn out to be beyond our control, if we take action about the environment, we still benefit from cleaner air and water….and we are able to live healthier lives and with reduced impact on our ability to produce food, etc.

So what’s the deal?

What’s next, a Rush Limbaugh guest-special on obesity? A Bill O’Reilly special on narcissistic bullies? A Glenn Beck special on paranoia? I’ve said it before and I’ll say again: You can learn conservatives’ flaws by listening to what they’re accusing others of. Sean couldn’t be more biased if he had a special that featured no one challenging his biased perception of bias.

mibwilso said:
Personally, I don’t care what someone else believes….it’s when those beliefs start leading them to pass laws that affect me that I have a problem.

Exactly… and that is why the global warming fad is crashing… they want to tax it…

If you are a Liberal, Mibwilso, be careful, my awakening to the Conservative cause began when I figured out Global Warming…. It was a catharsis…

cjd ohio 1 said:
but could be natural, and beyond our control

Why should we be wasteful if we don’t have to be? If we waste non-renewable resources, for example, it leads us into wars, famines, etc. And that’s even before you start talking about “global warming”

mibwilso said:
Even if it ultimately does turn out to be beyond our control, if we take action about the environment, we still benefit from cleaner air and water….and we are able to live healthier lives and with reduced impact on our ability to produce food, etc. So what’s the deal?

but using fear is wrong, clear air, less pollution are great things we should strive for

skoorbekim said:
GE?
VIACOM?
Liberal or Conservative?

GE? Really? GE owns defense companies. They build nuclear power plants. They own finance companies. So it’s very easy to assume that a ‘right wing ideology’ or conservative bias would be more financially beneficial to them.

VIACOM being a huge multi-national corporation would benefit from greatly from a ight wing ideology’ or conservative bias.

Both of these corporations would benefit financially from a conservative bias so you if you had to label them Liberal or Conservative you’d have to by default call them Conservative.

skoorbekim said:
Exactly… and that is why the global warming fad is crashing… they want to tax it…

If you are a Liberal, Mibwilso, be careful, my awakening to the Conservative cause began when I figured out Global Warming…. It was a catharsis…

Before my mind would be changed on that topic, I would need to hear serious evidence from multiple respected sources. So far I haven’t seen that.

Not just somebody saying they don’t believe in global warming just because liberals do.

juan said:
What lies have been told by FOX News?

Fox News’ founder is asking the network’s Glenn Beck haters to stop “shooting in the tent,” claiming the in-house anti-Beck vitriol is unprecedented in the company’s 14-year history.

Roger Ailes dropped by Fox’s Washington bureau Wednesday to give his staff a pep talk before the annual Radio and Television Correspondents’ dinner, mediabistro.com reports.

The topic of conversation quickly turned to conservative commentator Glenn Beck, whose hyper-opinionated commentary is a ratings boon for Fox — but also a recently revealed source of tension for the network’s other journalists.

A column in the Washington Post on Monday revealed that some Fox staffers are concerned the celebrity pundit is “becoming the face of the network.”

Ailes pointed out that the information in The Post’s column was leaked by Fox’s Washington bureau.

“For the first time in our 14 years, we’ve had people apparently shooting in the tent, from within the tent,” he told them.

But the Fox chairman clarified that Beck’s opinions were not that of the network and were firmly within his rights as a commentator.

“We prefer people in the tent not dumping on other people in the tent,” he added.

Ailes warned that people who found it hard to stand in Beck’s shadow had another option besides denigrating their own team.

“If I couldn’t defend the family, I’d leave,” he said. “I’d go to another family.”

Fortunately, Jabba the Ailes came to his senses and sacked the source of the problem.
He finally got rid of Beck.

WutzUpWithThat said:
Both of these corporations would benefit financially from a conservative bias so you if you had to label them Liberal or Conservative you’d have to by default call them Conservative.

?!
They are benefiting from Liberal bias… my “are” trumps your “would”…

mibwilso said:
Before my mind would be changed on that topic, I would need to hear serious evidence from multiple respected sources. So far I haven’t seen that. Not just somebody saying they don’t believe in global warming just because liberals do.

just saying, climate change, and man made climate change are two different things

cjd ohio 1 said:
but using fear is wrong, clear air, less pollution are great things we should strive for

I generally agree that using fear tactics is wrong….but I don’t think it’s been proven that man-caused global warming is NOT happening. Unless it’s disproven, I think some fear is justified because we’re talking about something that, as far as we know, is real.

But regardless of whether manmade global warming is real, the problem is that too many conservatives don’t seem to think that clean air and less pollution are worth striving for anyway.

mibwilso said:
Before my mind would be changed on that topic, I would need to hear serious evidence from multiple respected sources. So far I haven’t seen that. Not just somebody saying they don’t believe in global warming just because liberals do.

suggestions:
ice caps on Mars in relation to the ice caps on Earth… they expand and contract at the same rates
ice core samples…
archimedes principle…

mibwilso said:
conservatives don’t seem to think that clean air and less pollution are worth striving for anyway.

Who doesn’t want clean air and water?!

cjd ohio 1 said:
just saying, climate change, and man made climate change are two different things

I agree. But many on the right conflate the two.

There is no disputing that the average global temperatures have been increasing…it’s already been happening and it’s been recorded. But some conservatives would even argue with me on that.

skoorbekim said:
Who doesn’t want clean air and water?!

Well, you should ask the GOP who tried to defund the EPA.

skoorbekim said:

those (i.e. most of the GOP) who want to eradicate the EPA

skoorbekim said:
Who doesn’t want clean air and water?!

Ive also had plenty of conversations with conservatives who have said to me “Why should I worry about the environment? I’m going to be dead before it becomes a problem. The liberals just want to tell me what to do”

Skippy said:
Fox News was not around when the Million Dollar March took place, juanito.

He said they covered follow-up to the Million Man March! Keep trying!

skoorbekim said:
?!
They are benefiting from Liberal bias… my “are” trumps your “would”…

Really?

Then you’ll have no problem giving me some example of how GE and Viacom benefit form a Liberal bias.

darladoon said:
those (i.e. most of the GOP) who want to eradicate the EPA

Not really, just reign ‘em in!

Liberal media hacks are going insane and dripping with rabies. There are enough tall buildings for them to jump from in New York, but like the limp-wrists they are, they never follow through.

Come on guys – quit throwing around nonsense like it’s fact.

First order mlbwilso – there is disputing that the average global temperature has been increasing.
Why do you think the buzz phrase has now become “climate change”? Because global warming wasn’t selling.

Check the facts and then verify (as Beck so eloquently tells you to). That being said – when people make brash comments that the Republicans want dirty air blah blah – your point is completely lost. When you take an issue and your talking point becomes the extreme opposite point of view to your own and you then label that the oppositions point of view, you are being dishonest.

Please show me exactly where the GOP tried to defund the EPA? Exactly! Not just because you heard it through the grape vine.

WutzUpWithThat said:
Then you’ll have no problem giving me some example of how GE and Viacom benefit form a Liberal bias.

Wow,
name shows on Viacom…
GE?! Jeffrey Immelt?! Do you follow politics?

mibwilso said:
Well, you should ask the GOP who tried to defund the EPA.

Conservatives do not like how the EPA is run and funded…

Just because an entity has “Environmental Protection…” in its title does not make it so… Go beyond the good intentions of the name… could the EPA be improved?

“Intellectual heft and conservatism have long been, according to Hannity, separated in public.”

Because of people like you. You call Obama and Kerry an “elitist” because they had great educations and doesn’t have a problem with sounding eloquent. Spending your time reading books instead of hunting is a horrible urban disease to Hannity. Limbaugh doesn’t want someone who sounds like they have intellectual heft. He wants someone who pretends to be one of the “folks”, in the cheap populist sense of the word.

juan said:
He said they covered follow-up to the Million Man March! Keep trying!

– You seem to pick and choose what events and protests were worthy.
Million Man March, worthy, even though it wasn’t a million men, it was half a million. We covered that because we thought it had a worthy message too.

[Fox News, 4/8/09]

You are too stupid, anito.

ChrisNH said:
Liberal media hacks are going insane and dripping with rabies. There are enough tall buildings for them to jump from in New York, but like the limp-wrists they are, they never follow through.

“This [health care reform] cannot pass…What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass. We will do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn’t pass…Right now, we are looking at reaching down the throat and ripping the guts out of freedom. And we may never be able to restore it if we don’t man up and take this one on.”

Bat sh*t crazy Michelle Bachmann

You go first, ChrisNH.

Raygun said:
Because of people like you. You call Obama and Kerry an “elitist” because they had great educations

We dn’t know Obama’s grades! Bush’s grades were higher than Kerry’s!

Skippy said:
juan said:
He said they covered follow-up to the Million Man March! Keep trying!
– You seem to pick and choose what events and protests were worthy.
Million Man March, worthy, even though it wasn’t a million men, it was half a million. We covered that because we thought it had a worthy message too.

[Fox News, 4/8/09]
You are too stupid, anito.

Is that all you got? Keep trying!

BTW: Name-calling reveals a very small vocabulary! HeHeHe

O’Reilly: The situation here, for this kid, looks to me to be a lot more fun than what he had under his ‘old’ parents. He didn’t have to go to school, he could run around and do whatever he wanted, …

Van Susteren: Some kids like school!

O’Reilly: Well, I don’t believe this kid did. And I think, when it all comes down, what’s gonna happen is, there was an element here that this kid liked about his circumstances. Now, it gets even more harrowing when the police announced today that they found child porn on Devlin’s computer.

- Bill “King of Cable News” O’Reilly

Uh-Oh!

Palace officials said that only crowned heads of states are traditionally invited to royal weddings, and that political leaders who are not from the 54-member Commonwealth of nations, such as President Barack Obama or French President Nicolas Sarkozy, weren’t sent invitations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/official-royal-wedding-list-released-by-britains-monarchy/2011/04/23/AFVgQ2TE_story.html?hpid=z3

juan said:
Not really, just reign ‘em in!

oh yeah! they don’t wanna “get rid of the EPA” they just wanna “make it impossible for
them to exist”

Raygun stated:

“You call Obama and Kerry an “elitist” because they had great educations and doesn’t have a problem with sounding eloquent. Spending your time reading books instead of hunting is a horrible urban disease to Hannity. ”

The funny thing about Hannity (who I wasn’t fond of before) is that he’s a kind heart. I guess he was the first person to offer his sympathies to Juan Williams for the treatment he received. He always and I mean always has a Democrat on and he doesn’t drown them out – he argues with Bob Beckel (sp) and yet he obviously enjoys his company. He lets Beckel state his piece. Now, how many brave souls on the left allow a dissenting point of view? Chris Matthews? Olbermann? Maddow?

I’ll ignore the grammatical errors in your post and would like to know how you are so familiar with Hannity and his “views”. BTW – Bush’s marks were better than Kerry’s and Obama is a disaster without the teleprompter. Next time you listen to his “chat” at a town hall – count the hmmms, and tripping over his own tongue, so I’m not buying the eloquence. One good speech does not an Orator make! We all sounded eloquent in school when we had to memorize a poem, and not so much when we were put on the spot.

juan said:
Is that all you got? Keep trying!

BTW: Name-calling reveals a very small vocabulary! HeHeHe

Sure. You tell them, anito.

“I’m not saying he doesn’t like white people, I’m saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist.”
- Beck on Fox and Friends

Some LIBERAL media, eh, anito?

skoorbekim said:
Conservatives do not like how the EPA is run and funded…

Just because an entity has “Environmental Protection…” in its title does not make it so… Go beyond the good intentions of the name… could the EPA be improved?

of course, by “improve” what conservatives really mean is “reduce funding to such an extent that scientists aren’t able to find out whether corporations are killing humans beings and destroying the planet”

when ANY conservative utters the word “reform” what they really mean is “i can’t tell you how i’d reform it without actually reducing scientists’ ability to protect human beings from egregious corporate malfeasance”

conservatives don’t have any new ideas. they’re entire playbook is:

*cut any spending which benefits anyone other than the wealthy and powerful

*cut all or most taxes

*ignore science

*embrace religion/guns

democrats are only a tiny bit better. but they have members who actually give a shit.

gee, i wonder why hannity offered his “sympathies” to juan williams?!

seek said:
Come on guys – quit throwing around nonsense like it’s fact. First order mlbwilso – there is disputing that the average global temperature has been increasing.Why do you think the buzz phrase has now become “climate change”? Because global warming wasn’t selling. Check the facts and then verify (as Beck so eloquently tells you to). That being said – when people make brash comments that the Republicans want dirty air blah blah – your point is completely lost. When you take an issue and your talking point becomes the extreme opposite point of view to your own and you then label that the oppositions point of view, you are being dishonest. Please show me exactly where the GOP tried to defund the EPA? Exactly! Not just because you heard it through the grape vine.

I was with you until you brought up that idiot Beck and that is all you had to say for me to know you are as lost to any real facts and more then likely a BIRTHER

skoorbekim said:
Wow,
name shows on Viacom…
GE?! Jeffrey Immelt?! Do you follow politics?

You haven’t shown me any financial reasons.

You know as well as I do the Immelt Job Czar position means nothing. It’s just another title. Just another ‘advisor’.

The whole back and forth has been based on my premise that these corporations benefit more financially from a conservative bias and would not benefit from a liberal bias.

I’ve shown you just a few examples of how these companies make money and just the few examples I gave you are right up the alley of Conservative politics: nuclear power, defense, finance.

As far as Viacom goes, just by their sheer size they benefit financially from the low taxes that the Conservatives are proposing.

Corporations sole purpose is to make money. GE is the 13th largest corporation in the world so the simple Conservative desire to lower corporate taxes ‘trumps’ any example that you’ve given me.

All that being said GE paid no federal taxes last year on $14.2 billion in profits.
Zero percent taxes like they paid is much more closer to the ‘right wing ideology’ than ‘left wing ideology’

Nice going back and forth with you.

I’m heading down to the beach to catch the sunset.

juan said:
Not really, just reign ‘em in!

Wow….lying much? Conservatives want to ELIMINATE the EPA. They want to eliminate other agencies/depts like the DOE, FAA etc. Sigh.

juan said:
We dn’t know Obama’s grades! Bush’s grades were higher than Kerry’s!

Don’t duck his assertion about “elitism” with your little strawman.

skoorbekim said:
Conservatives do not like how the EPA is run and funded…

Just because an entity has “Environmental Protection…” in its title does not make it so… Go beyond the good intentions of the name… could the EPA be improved?

Actually, that is a poor excuse…if it’s one at all. Having a “poorly run” EPA that does a fair-good job at protecting consumers is better than a “well run” organization that does not exist. It’s sophistry on your part. Conservatives simply don’t like the EPA because the govt runs it. It’s an ideological principle and has little to nothing to do with facts.

skoorbekim said:
Wow,
name shows on Viacom…
GE?! Jeffrey Immelt?! Do you follow politics?

Answer his question. How does GE and Viacom benefit from liberal bias?

seek said:
Come on guys – quit throwing around nonsense like it’s fact.

First order mlbwilso – there is disputing that the average global temperature has been increasing.
Why do you think the buzz phrase has now become “climate change”? Because global warming wasn’t selling.

Check the facts and then verify (as Beck so eloquently tells you to). That being said – when people make brash comments that the Republicans want dirty air blah blah – your point is completely lost. When you take an issue and your talking point becomes the extreme opposite point of view to your own and you then label that the oppositions point of view, you are being dishonest.

Please show me exactly where the GOP tried to defund the EPA? Exactly! Not just because you heard it through the grape vine.

Check the Berkeley Earth Service Temperature Project. Each of the last three decades has been warmer than the one before it.
Check Sustainablebusiness,com News. On 2/14/11, “House Republicans double size of EPA budget cut”.
Conman Simpson, (R, Id), said his goal was to keep the EPA from implementing greenhouse gas regulations, so that

if the media were truly liberal, there wouldn’t even be a discussion about whether to raise taxes on……

millionaires and billionaires.

if the media were truly liberal, there wouldn’t even be a discussion of whether waterboarding is torture….

there wouldn’t be a discussion of whether we should have the government pool everyone together in order to lower
health insurance costs…..

or whether human beings are causing climate change.

and to the person who said ‘climate change’ replaced ‘global warming’ so scientists could better sell their conclusions to the public has no idea what he/she is talking about

WutzUpWithThat said:
Nice going back and forth with you.
I’m heading down to the beach to catch the sunset.

enjoy…

OOPs!
…so that House Energy and Commerce Chairman Upton has time to pass a long term bill to block the regulations.

Now, you are not entitled to your own facts, no matter what Karl Rove told you.

ju anito said:
What lies have been told by FOX News?

Even Bernie couldn’t keep a straight face:

Goldberg:…this is what the so called mainstream media do. They get angry at FOX. This is wrong. This is the spitballs at the battleship argument, but sometimes Bill — and whether you acknowledge it or not I’m going to state it — sometimes FOX brings on the criticism itself. There are some programs on FOX that are not only NOT fair and balanced, they’re commentary shows. They don’t have to be, but they brag about how fair and balanced they are. They don’t cover rallies and tea parties, they cheerlead rallies and tea parties, and as a journalist I am totally against that.

O’Reilly: All right …

Goldberg: And to that extent the criticism is legitimate. By and large it’s not…

O’Reilly: The problem there though is that all editorial pages cheerlead for their crew so if you read any newspaper, the Chicago Tribune, the LA Times, any newspaper in the country, they’ll be cheerleading for the country global warming and they’ll be saying, hey get out on Earth Day…

Goldberg: Right.

O’Reilly: Do this, do that, OK, fine and I don’t have any problem with that. Wait Bernie. I don’t have any problem with get out on Earth Day and be environmentally correct. No problem, they all do it. But if you then take a commentary, clearly label this and then they say, hey you tea party people, go on out there and show them that you don’t like this big government intrusion. What’s the difference?

Goldberg: the difference…I don’t want to get too inside baseball with you.

O’Reilly: Come on, Bernie. What’s the difference?

Goldberg: Here’s a good answer. Don’t pretend that you’re being objective. Don’t go on the air … I don’t mean you, I mean others on this network. Don’t go on the air and say these tea parties are a cross section of America, they are not a cross section of America. Don’t pretend to be a journalist if you’re not a journalist. If you want to be a commentator and comment then be …

O’Reilly:…well let’s get Glenn Beck do, Glenn beck comes on and he basically says I’m every man, I’m not a journalist, he says he’s not a journalist, “I’m every man and I’m worried about the country and this is why I’m worried,” and he has the blackboard and he has this and this is who I like, tea party guys and this is who I don’t like, whoever Beck doesn’t like…I don’t see any subterfuge there, Sean Hannity comes on right after the Factor and Hannity says look, I’m a Reagan Republican, that’s who I am, Sean Hannity. He’s not trying to fool anybody, not trying to say anything like that. he says, “I’m a Reagan Republican so this is how I see the world. I mean, come on Bernie, these are legitimate stances, every man, Reagan Republican. What’s the beef.

Goldberg: The commentary part of it is totally legitimate, but to give false information to because you’re a commentator is unacceptable.

O’Reilly: If it’s false information I agree, but I haven’t seen a lot of that.

Goldberg: Wait a minute, are you telling me that you think those people at the tea parties were a cross section of America. There are as many liberal democrats as conservatives, there are as many people who support Obama

O’Reilly:I didn’t hear any person say there were as many liberal democrats…

Goldberg: Oh, I did..I did, you want a few names?

O’Reilly: No!

Goldberg: You want a few names? Yea I know you don’t…

Those people pretend that they’re journalists at the same time I’m not a journalist. Well, if you’re not a journalist don’t pretend to be one …

—

Goldberg: They go on the air and give their opinions, which is fine with me. They then state as facts things..

O’Reilly: Facts?

Goldberg:Facts, things that aren’t facts at all.

“Scientists” have screamed about “global warming” before … in the 1920 – 40′s. Arctic ice receded, average temperatures were hotter. Then, “global cooling” came and they worried about a new ice age. Arctic ice returned and the chicken littles preached their doom and gloom. Now that we have come out of “global cooling” by warming some, the chicken littles are back fretting about “global warming” again … even though there is ZERO evidence that man had anything to do with it.

.

Larry King said:
I was with you until you brought up that idiot Beck and that is all you had to say for me to know you are as lost to any real facts and more then likely a BIRTHER

Sorry to disappoint, not a birther, but if you think I should be….

I know what an idiot Beck is – imagine some bozo telling you to “trust but verify”. What a stupid thing to tell people.

Gasket said:
Answer his question. How does GE and Viacom benefit from liberal bias?

He equated “corporation” with right wing… My point was that certain corporations thrive and benefit from Liberalism…

juan said:
We dn’t know Obama’s grades! Bush’s grades were higher than Kerry’s!

And conservatives don’t call him an elitist beacuse he says “nucular” instead of nuclear. He AVOIDS sounding like he has an Ivy League education because showing intellect is a deal breaker for conservatives. If you have it, you’re supposed to hide it.

Joseph Glackin said:
OOPs!…so that House Energy and Commerce Chairman Upton has time to pass a long term bill to block the regulations. Now, you are not entitled to your own facts, no matter what Karl Rove told you.

lol, like the fact you mom was drafted. move on joe

if conservatives were truly concerned about the environment (a nobel concern, mind you), then they would be deeply interested in STRENGTHENING the EPA, as a matter of principle (and a conservative principle at that).

instead, they talk of eliminating or defunding or drastically reducing funding…..not of, “gee, how can we act as a positive force in protecting the environment”

they’re interested in one ideologically-driven motivation: dismantle the ability of government to act as a check on unfettered capitalistic growth, in the strictest Randian sense.

skoorbekim said:
My point was that certain corporations thrive and benefit from Liberalism…

yeah, Liberalism in the Classic sense of it.

but, let’s be serious here: this is about whether the mainstream media is doing the job of informing the public, and even protecting the public from abuse of power.

and CLEARLY they are not doing that. clearly, they are getting their talking points from the powerful factions and institutions who lobby congress, who spend billions on PR, who speak for the wealthy, etc.

in this sense, the media is anything but liberal, in the sense that “liberal” means “a voice for the voiceless”

Skippy said:
“Fortunately, Jabba the Ailes came to his senses and sacked the source of the problem.
He finally got rid of Beck.”

See it just doesn’t wash Skippy because I saw Beck on Fox last week – saw him on O’Reilly also…

Now, is this a fact Skippy or you just heard it somewhere (wonder where??). I bet Olberman wishes he was sacked like Beck, and how about Sanchez? just setting the record straight.

cjd ohio 1 said:
lol, like the fact you mom was drafted. move on joe

Y

juan said:
What lies have been told by FOX News?

Let’s not forget the 9/12 farce:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/19/fox-news-producer-caught_n_292529.html

The Huffington Post has confirmed that the woman in the below video — seen raising her arms to rally the crowd behind Griff Jenkins, who was reporting from the scene for Fox News — is Fox News producer Heidi Noonan.

“The employee is a young, relatively inexperienced associate producer who realizes she made a mistake and has been disciplined,” Bryan Boughton, Fox News Channel Washington Bureau Chief told the Huffington Post.

FAIR and BALANCED? anito?

Joseph Glackin said:
Y

facts, cant trust your facts pal, you think your mom was drafted in 1943, thats just to funny

“Check the Berkeley Earth Service Temperature Project. Each of the last three decades has been warmer than the one before it.”

I was taught that the earth has gone through billions of years of cooling and heating – 30 years would not be much of a “scientific” study.

Your next statement about slashing the EPA budget (which would require Reid and Obama) does not equate with doing away with the EPA. Do you have any idea how many other Government Agencies do similar work to the EPA? Why shouldn’t their budget be slashed? How much redundancy is there between the agencies? We are broke! Everyone is looking at ways to save money (probably your own household) so what is wrong with cost cutting where you can?

cjd ohio 1 said:
lol, like the fact you mom was drafted. move on joe

YOU PROVE SHE WAS NOT! PRODUCE THE RECORDS THAT THE US DRAFTED “NO” WOMEN DURING WWII.
I have made a statement. You have made a claim. Put up or shut up. The VA awaits your apology.
You seem to be an authority of things beyond your time. So, jump in the DeLorean and get back there!

seek said:
Skippy said:
“Fortunately, Jabba the Ailes came to his senses and sacked the source of the problem.
He finally got rid of Beck.”

See it just doesn’t wash Skippy because I saw Beck on Fox last week – saw him on O’Reilly also…

Now, is this a fact Skippy or you just heard it somewhere (wonder where??). I bet Olberman wishes he was sacked like Beck, and how about Sanchez? just setting the record straight.

Tell us again how much longer is left on his contract.

Roger Ailes isn’t losing sleep over how reporters write up the news of the end of Glenn Beck’s show on Fox News. “Half of the headlines say he’s been canceled,” Ailes tells the Associated Press’ David Bauder. “The other half say he quit. We’re pretty happy with both of them.”

america is not “broke” seek.

the money didn’t just disappear! it moved from one pocket to another pocket.

the top 1% of sitting on an enormous chunk of change, and contrary to the “reporting”
of our mainstream media, if you taxed 100% of the income of the top 1%, we would
have a balanced budget.

according to jeffry sachs of the huffpo:

“If the tax rate were 100% rather than 23% (and assuming in the Journal illustration an unchanged AGI), the extra revenues would be $1,300 billion, or 9 percent of GDP. Even allowing for other taxes already paid by the richest 1%, the incremental federal tax revenues would be at least 6 percent of GDP. Since every baseline scenario by the Congressional Budget Office and the Office of Management and Budget shows a deficit between 2013 and 2021 that is less than 6 percent of GDP, the total income of the top 1% would close the budget deficit entirely”

suck on that!!!!!!

how can “reducing funding” not equate to “making it more difficult for regulators to regulate”?

Joseph Glackin said:
YOU PROVE SHE WAS NOT! PRODUCE THE RECORDS THAT THE US DRAFTED “NO” WOMEN DURING WWII.I have made a statement. You have made a claim. Put up or shut up. The VA awaits your apology.You seem to be an authority of things beyond your time. So, jump in the DeLorean and get back there!

prove it, lol the US military has never drafted women, look it up

Joseph Glackin said:
YOU PROVE SHE WAS NOT! PRODUCE THE RECORDS THAT THE US DRAFTED “NO” WOMEN DURING WWII.

From the Selective Service Website :

“The U.S. came close to drafting women during World War II, when there was a shortage of military nurses. However, there was a surge of volunteerism and a draft of women nurses was not needed.”

Exerpted second paragraph

http://www.sss.gov/wmbkgr.htm

This one is Ed Schultz via News Hounds:

On Wednesday (07-07-10) O’Reilly said that “people on MSNBC lie every day.” This was too much for Ed Schultz, of MSNBC’s The Ed Show, who used his “Psycho Talk” segment the following day to say, “Serial liar, Bill O’Reilly, you know he really does live in his own right wing world.” Schultz then played a short bit of tape to point out just a small sampling of the lies perpetrated and propagated by the so called Fox News Channel over the years.

http://www.newshounds.us/2010/07/11/tit_for_tat_the_ed_show_goes_after_fox_news_after_oreilly_goes_after_msnbc_.php

Nice, short clip documenting the lies from Fox.

darladoon said:
if the media were truly liberal,

They would have covered the hundreds of thousands protesting the Republican power grabs … with as much attention as they gave to hundreds of TEA Party protesters.

Joseph Glackin said:
YOU PROVE SHE WAS NOT! PRODUCE THE RECORDS THAT THE US DRAFTED “NO” WOMEN DURING WWII.
I have made a statement. You have made a claim. Put up or shut up. The VA awaits your apology.
You seem to be an authority of things beyond your time. So, jump in the DeLorean and get back there!

Here you go Jo

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/draftreg.htm

What About Women and the Draft?

While women officers and enlisted personnel serve with distinction in the U.S. Armed Forces, women have never been subject to Selective Service registration or a military draft in America. For a complete explanation of the reasons for this, see: Backgrounder: Women and the draft in America from the Selective Service System.

Women who served in the past, and those who serve today in ever increasing numbers, all volunteered for military service.

tws258 said:
From the Selective Service Website : “The U.S. came close to drafting women during World War II, when there was a shortage of military nurses. However, there was a surge of volunteerism and a draft of women nurses was not needed.” Exerpted second paragraph http://www.sss.gov/wmbkgr.htm

Jax_n_Jill said:
Here you go Jo http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/draftreg.htm What About Women and the Draft? While women officers and enlisted personnel serve with distinction in the U.S. Armed Forces, women have never been subject to Selective Service registration or a military draft in America. For a complete explanation of the reasons for this, see: Backgrounder: Women and the draft in America from the Selective Service System. Women who served in the past, and those who serve today in ever increasing numbers, all volunteered for military service.

thanks all, but joe will just ignore the links, he and ellie then can say they didnt see it

seek said:
“Check the Berkeley Earth Service Temperature Project. Each of the last three decades has been warmer than the one before it.”

I was taught that the earth has gone through billions of years of cooling and heating – 30 years would not be much of a “scientific” study.

Your next statement about slashing the EPA budget (which would require Reid and Obama) does not equate with doing away with the EPA. Do you have any idea how many other Government Agencies do similar work to the EPA? Why shouldn’t their budget be slashed? How much redundancy is there between the agencies? We are broke! Everyone is looking at ways to save money (probably your own household) so what is wrong with cost cutting where you can?

Your weren’t taught much, or weren’t listening, if you think time is the sole arbiter of scientific data’s value.
My “statement” was from the report on the intent of the GOP House.
Their plan was not to save money for the public. It was to alter and control the actions of a Federal Agency, to turn a scientific program into a political football.

cjd ohio 1 said:
thanks all, but joe will just ignore the links, he and ellie then can say they didnt see it

Who knew his mother was a liar .

Skippy said:
Tell us again how much longer is left on his contract.

“Earlier this week, News Corp. announced that the “Final Chapter” of Beck’s Fox News show would begin Friday.”

Skippy said:
This one is Ed Schultz via News Hounds:

Nice, short clip documenting the lies from Fox.

Hey Skippy – I was gagging but managed to watch your “clip”. Want to run fact check on what “honest Ed” stated were lies? lol

Too funny – the man lied to you, put it out on tape that Fox lied and it’s easily proven that Ed flunked the truth meter.

Joseph Glackin says:

I’ve been to the moon…

Prove I haven’t.

Why was Olbermann sent packing immediately even though he had like 2 yrs left on his contract? ellie?

Alice67 said:
“Earlier this week, News Corp. announced that the “Final Chapter” of Beck’s Fox News show would begin Friday.”

Yes, Beck went all Reverend Doom on Friday. Media Matters has the clips.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201104220027
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201104220028

tws258 said:
From the Selective Service Website : “The U.S. came close to drafting women during World War II, when there was a shortage of military nurses. However, there was a surge of volunteerism and a draft of women nurses was not needed.” Exerpted second paragraph http://www.sss.gov/wmbkgr.htm

Jax_n_Jill said:
Here you go Jo http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/draftreg.htm What About Women and the Draft? While women officers and enlisted personnel serve with distinction in the U.S. Armed Forces, women have never been subject to Selective Service registration or a military draft in America. For a complete explanation of the reasons for this, see: Backgrounder: Women and the draft in America from the Selective Service System. Women who served in the past, and those who serve today in ever increasing numbers, all volunteered for military service.

cjd ohio 1 said:
thanks all, but joe will just ignore the links, he and ellie then can say they didnt see it

i knew he would run to another thread and ignore the facts, but thanks again guys

seek says:

“skippy is a ‘newshound’ so you can pretty much just laugh at everything it posts.

cjd ohio 1 said:
i knew he would run to another thread and ignore the facts, but thanks again guys

Bummer, I was hoping glacky could prove I haven’t been to the moon.

Jaurez said:
Bummer, I was hoping glacky could prove I haven’t been to the moon.

lol

Jaurez said:
Why was Olbermann sent packing immediately even though he had like 2 yrs left on his contract? ellie?

MSNBC and Mr. Olbermann have been discussing parting ways for some time, according to a person familiar with the matter. That person said they ultimately came to a financial agreement to end his contract two years early. The host signed a four-year deal worth $30 million in 2008.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704754304576096772622398558.html

Perhaps you can quote the details on the departure of Glenn Beck and its figures.

Skippy said:
Reverend Doom

Now there’s a name that suits him. lol

Jaurez said:
Joseph Glackin says:

I’ve been to the moon…

Prove I haven’t.

No, but I bet you’ve shown lots of young men the rings around Uranus.
I LOVE IT when the neo-conmen, the teabaggers, and the libertards rush to use the government to defend their argument.
According to them, the government ALWAYS lies, unless it helps their preconceptions.
In 1979, I attended the 35th anniversary of my mother’s graduation class from Nursing School. Every member of that class went directly into the US Army. They all said they were drafted. I choose to accept their story over what you may find on the internet.

seek said:
Hey Skippy – I was gagging but managed to watch your “clip”. Want to run fact check on what “honest Ed” stated were lies? lol

Too funny – the man lied to you, put it out on tape that Fox lied and it’s easily proven that Ed flunked the truth meter.

You go first.

Post the clips where O’Reilly didn’t say what he said on the Schultz clip, the clip where Beck didn’t say what he said in the clip, and the retraction from Fox management for the asinine assertions by Fox and Friends.

Knock yourself out.

This is an amusing thread. So far, at ten pages of comments, there is little thoughtful discussion of the points Hannity raised. Who else was aware of the role of Walter Durante of the NY Times in covering for the mass murders in Russia? Who wants to defend the media’s role in the Duke Lacrosse Hoax and the damage it did to the reputations of three perfectly INNOCENT young men? To me, the difference between Progressives and Conservatives is that the Left has no interest whatsoever in examining whether their “beliefs” are supported by “facts.” If they “believe” it, it MUST be so, and they equate “feelings” with principles. It’s the “self-esteem” for no valid reason group. Heaven forbid that “self-esteem” should be earned by actions- “intentions” are all that matter.

Joseph Glackin said:
No, but I bet you’ve shown lots of young men the rings around Uranus.I LOVE IT when the neo-conmen, the teabaggers, and the libertards rush to use the government to defend their argument.According to them, the government ALWAYS lies, unless it helps their preconceptions.In 1979, I attended the 35th anniversary of my mother’s graduation class from Nursing School. Every member of that class went directly into the US Army. They all said they were drafted. I choose to accept their story over what you may find on the internet.

lol, told you guys, even a government website tells him she was not drafted and still, you have to love this guy

Joseph Glackin said:
No, but I bet you’ve shown lots of young men the rings around Uranus.
I LOVE IT when the neo-conmen, the teabaggers, and the libertards rush to use the government to defend their argument.
According to them, the government ALWAYS lies, unless it helps their preconceptions.
In 1979, I attended the 35th anniversary of my mother’s graduation class from Nursing School. Every member of that class went directly into the US Army. They all said they were drafted. I choose to accept their story over what you may find on the internet.

Yesterday you said you had the documentation. LOL! Now, you’re resorting to “they said.: LOL!

Do you guys even know what the epa budget is/was? I’m sure you are interested.

“The Environmental Protection Agency’s budget suffered significant cuts during the last administration and a significant bounce up in 2010 when the first Obama budget increased EPA funding over 26% from $7.6 billion to $10.3 billion. The proposed 2011 budget is a small decrease but the cuts were in three programs, the Great Lakes Initiative, the revolving funds for sewers, and the revolving fund for drinking water ….”

Hello – anybody home? Isn’t it funny how the Democrats never say – Ryan wants to cut the budget from 10 billion to 7.6 billion. Wonder why? Do you think that wanting to cut the EPA budget back to pre 2010 levels of 7.6 billion means that the Republicans want to shut down the program?

Skippy said:
Perhaps you can quote the details on the departure of Glenn Beck and its figures.

“According to a person .” Well, that settles it. LOL!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-demonstrates-just-how-often-fox-news-personalities-references-nazis/

Jon Stewart Demonstrates Just How Often Fox News Personalities Reference Nazis

I wonder if the nazi’s had to run programs like this too during the run up to their violent take-over.

Snowspot said:
I wonder if the nazi’s had to run programs like this too during the run up to their violent take-over.

what, draft joe’s mom

TillieGlockenspiel said:
This is an amusing thread. So far, at ten pages of comments, there is little thoughtful discussion of the points Hannity raised. Who else was aware of the role of Walter Durante of the NY Times in covering for the mass murders in Russia? Who wants to defend the media’s role in the Duke Lacrosse Hoax and the damage it did to the reputations of three perfectly INNOCENT young men? To me, the difference between Progressives and Conservatives is that the Left has no interest whatsoever in examining whether their “beliefs” are supported by “facts.” If they “believe” it, it MUST be so, and they equate “feelings” with principles. It’s the “self-esteem” for no valid reason group. Heaven forbid that “self-esteem” should be earned by actions- “intentions” are all that matter.

You are so right!!!!! and Glackin is a perfect example in that he believes his mother was drafted so it MUST true….LOL

cjd ohio 1 said:
what, draft joe’s mom

I mean, nazi’s saying that the level-headed people have “bias” because they don’t agree that jews are bad. Kind of like how you lot (tea party/conservatives) think Muslims are evil. You’re like the nazi’s without any power sort of. Instead of Jews though, you think Muslims are evil.

Snowspot said:
I wonder if the nazi’s had to run programs like this too during the run up to their violent take-over.

Ask Glackins mom , she was there.

Joseph Glackin said:
According to them, the government ALWAYS lies, unless it helps their preconceptions.
In 1979, I attended the 35th anniversary of my mother’s graduation class from Nursing School. Every member of that class went directly into the US Army. They all said they were drafted. I

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!

Oh ,and , STFU .

Jaurez said:
“According to a person .” Well, that settles it. LOL!

I agree with you.

The Journal used to be a good source of financial information. Too bad it became another rag in Murdoch’s mosaic of tabloids.

TillieGlockenspiel said:
This is an amusing thread. So far, at ten pages of comments, there is little thoughtful discussion of the points Hannity raised. Who else was aware of the role of Walter Durante of the NY Times in covering for the mass murders in Russia? Who wants to defend the media’s role in the Duke Lacrosse Hoax and the damage it did to the reputations of three perfectly INNOCENT young men? To me, the difference between Progressives and Conservatives is that the Left has no interest whatsoever in examining whether their “beliefs” are supported by “facts.” If they “believe” it, it MUST be so, and they equate “feelings” with principles. It’s the “self-esteem” for no valid reason group. Heaven forbid that “self-esteem” should be earned by actions- “intentions” are all that matter.

How long did it take ABC to issue that letter of apology??? lol

I found the program very interesting and very enlightening. It got me thinking about why Bush didn’t give Libby a full pardon. I wonder if it is because time will show that Libby did nothing wrong and it was a witch hunt. Perhaps Libby will be exonerated on the merits of the case at some time in the future and will have a case against the Government. A pardon would have removed that right.

Snowspot said:
I mean, nazi’s saying that the level-headed people have “bias” because they don’t agree that jews are bad. Kind of like how you lot (tea party/conservatives) think Muslims are evil. You’re like the nazi’s without any power sort of. Instead of Jews though, you think Muslims are evil.

nope, i dont think all muslims are evil, dont think all jews are evil, or all christians,pagens, atheisist, black , whites

seek said:
Do you think that wanting to cut the EPA budget back to pre 2010 levels of 7.6 billion means that the Republicans want to shut down the program?

Dirty GOP: The Republican Plan To Abolish The EPA
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/17/gop-abolish-epa/

March 3, 2011 5:08 PM PST
Republicans launch bill to ax EPA carbon rules
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20039060-54.html#ixzz1KPLPtpH9

Skippy said:
I agree with you.
The Journal used to be a good source of financial information. Too bad it became another rag in Murdoch’s mosaic of tabloids.

Batshit much ?

cjd ohio 1 said:
nope, i dont think all muslims are evil, dont think all jews are evil, or all christians,pagens, atheisist, black , whites

Well, you’re quite the needle in the haystack then aren’t you?

Full disclosure: I only saw the clips on Mediaite (Fox is optional where I live, and it’s not an option I’d ordinarily exercise), so there might be exculpatory evidence in parts of the special not excerpted here.

The special opens with Hannity’s bald statement that it’s common knowledge that the mainstream media is biased against the GOP. This sets the stage for unsubstantiated and garbled aspersions to come. Very Fox-like. He also alluded to “major scandals” and “victims left behind” without ever identifying either. Language used solely to be inflammatory, with no basis in fact. Also very Fox-like.

In summary, this is a perfect demonstration of why the center-left thinks conservatives are evil and stupid: the show is full of lies, and takes a dishonest and ignorant view of history. It also presents a cartoonish, manichean view of the world that might be useful in whipping up followers to win elections but is woefully inadequate when you have to get down to governing. There’s a reason that academia and many business leaders, professional societies, and mainstream religious organizations trend liberal: as Stephen Colbert has so famously said, “reality has a well-known liberal bias.”

Let’s start with several of the talking heads who spoke: Brent Bozell, Hugh Hewitt, Michelle Malkin. These people have no credibility outside their own circles of belief, and it’s not hard to figure out why. Throughout this piece they made unsubstantiated statement after unsubstantiated statement, following the traditional conservative fairy tale, “if I say it three times, it makes it true.”

And for a special supposedly grounded in history, the show was very sloppy. The timeline was all over the place: trends supposedely emerged simultaneously in the 1930s and the 1990s and trends that are not even related to each other were conflated, asynchronously, to try to patch together a case. This sort of Potemkin Village of fact-gathering is very much in the Fox style and one reason they’re not considered very reliable.

Let’s look at one of the early examples: Walter Duranty and his reports from Russia. One thing Fox didn’t mention was that, at the time, the entire world was in an uproar over the Russian Revolution of 1917, which looked to many oppressed peoples like the liberation they could only dream of. The Russians had, after all, thrown off the yoke of a wicked dictator who had appeared unassailable only months before he was deposed.

Yes, they were all wrong, and Duranty wronger than most. But to call him “left-wing” in the same sense that Chris Matthews is (wrongly) called left-wing is intensely ahistorical. Duranty was a darling of Moscow, explicitly praised by Stalin for his reporting. He was a long-term resident of Stalinist Russia. He was also far from alone in his delusion about the “socialist paradise” and it took years more of Stalinist terror and betrayal (all of which was viciously suppressed in the Soviet Union) before enthusiasts figured it out. But left-wing bias? Duranty and his fellow apologists weren’t even talking about the GOP or conservative values (Duranty was, after all, a British subject).

And Bozell’s out-of-context statement that “there was an element of the left particularly in newspapers that saw the Soviet Union as a grand experiement” — becomes silly and misleading when you realize that it was really only true from about 1920 to about 1935.

Let’s also look at the Democratic party’s deplorable history of racial prejudice. Historically, the whole country has been, until fairly recently, intensely racist — from Republican (and American) hero Abraham Lincoln on down. North and South, East and West. Recovery from the horrors of slavery only really began after the Civil War and hasn’t concluded yet. That’s one of the challenging things about historical reality — events’ effects tend to linger. The fact that there were active segregationists in the Democratic party as late as the 1950s doesn’t change the fact that there were equally or worse racist views held by Republicans and conservatives at the same time. There’s plenty of guilt to go around. The country has matured on this issue, and things that were accepted 50-60 years ago no longer are.

Hannity was also guilty (per usual) in selectively editing his quotes. (Has James O’Keefe formally joined Fox News’ staff?) The Thurmond/Lott controversy wasn’t about Lott’s statement that he would have voted for Thurmond (although that’s enough to give one pause), but what he said next — and which Hannity edited out: “And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either.” All those problems . . . as in civil rights, rolling back of Jim Crow laws, and most of all, that pesky agitator Martin Luther King Jr. That’s what got Lott’s ass tossed by his colleagues.

And the notion that Joe Biden has gotten a pass on his gaffes is flatly untrue. His comment about the “articulate” Obama was arguably the nail in the coffin of his campaign for president. And to this day, the media — left, right, and center — delight when Biden says something silly or provocative and whack him soundly (possibly because no one can fill the gap of misstatements and garbled thought left by George Bush).

Finally (although I could go on and on), there are two themes that emerge from this TV program that are both revelatory and disturbing.

Firstly, the notion that to attempt to explain something is same thing as apologizing for it. There’s a long series of remarks of “left wing” commentators describing aspects of communist or socialist societies that are characterized as “apologizing.” This is profoundly untrue and foolish. If you live in a black/white, evil/good, left/right world, then the real world — which is much more complicated and messy — will rise up in your face and slap you down. Cartoon villains and cartoon heroes don’t actually exist, and to believe so leaves you highly vulnerable to the real thing. Hannity does as much disservice to his fellow Americans with that one point of view as any of the bizarre and extremist positions he’s taken over time.

Secondly, Gerard Alexander (the professor from somewhere or other) tut-tuts that some journalists have forgotten that they are “American reporters” and instead try to take a neutral view of issues. Wow, the notion of journalists aspiring to be “fair and balanced” certainly has professor Alexander in a lather! That may have been the single most fatuous moment of the Hannity special, and that’s saying a lot. Suffice it to say, journalists are traditionally expected pursue truth, regardless of what language their passports are printed in. And pretending that happy talk that never points out America’s mistakes (what, you think we haven’t made any?) does anything but hobble America with ignorance, is profoundly ignorant and wrong-headed.

I could go on listing every specious allegation, misinterpretation, lie, bogus talking point, etc., etc., in this ham-handed hit piece. Instead, I’ll close with this thought: resentment and self-victimization, which every participant on Hannity’s special indulged in, is not the path to power, nor does it make you more credible. This sort of extended whine will perhaps encourage the wingnut base, but to thinking people, is just another confirmation that the right wing — at least as characterized by Hannity, Bozell, Hewett, and Malkin — is both stupid and evil.

Mission Accomplished!

tws258 said:
Batshit much ?

This guy probably doesn’t even know who Murdoch is XD

seek said
Hello – anybody home? Isn’t it funny how the Democrats never say – Ryan wants to cut the budget from 10 billion to 7.6 billion. Wonder why? Do you think that wanting to cut the EPA budget back to pre 2010 levels of 7.6 billion means that the Republicans want to shut down the program?

whether ryan’s budget cuts the EPA back to pre-2010 levels doesn’t mean that numerous republicans have stated that they would eliminate the EPA, if given the opportunity.

that is, numerous republicans HAVE STATED that they would eliminate the EPA.

Snowspot said:
Well, you’re quite the needle in the haystack then aren’t you?

no, i think most people feel the same way, no one group has a corner on evil people

mediadoubt said:
Full disclosure: I only saw the clips on Mediaite (Fox is optional where I live, and it’s not an option I’d ordinarily exercise), so there might be exculpatory evidence in parts of the special not excerpted here.

The special opens with Hannity’s bald statement that it’s common knowledge that the mainstream media is biased against the GOP. This sets the stage for unsubstantiated and garbled aspersions to come. Very Fox-like. He also alluded to “major scandals” and “victims left behind” without ever identifying either. Language used solely to be inflammatory, with no basis in fact. Also very Fox-like.

In summary, this is a perfect demonstration of why the center-left thinks conservatives are evil and stupid: the show is full of lies, and takes a dishonest and ignorant view of history. It also presents a cartoonish, manichean view of the world that might be useful in whipping up followers to win elections but is woefully inadequate when you have to get down to governing. There’s a reason that academia and many business leaders, professional societies, and mainstream religious organizations trend liberal: as Stephen Colbert has so famously said, “reality has a well-known liberal bias.”

Let’s start with several of the talking heads who spoke: Brent Bozell, Hugh Hewitt, Michelle Malkin. These people have no credibility outside their own circles of belief, and it’s not hard to figure out why. Throughout this piece they made unsubstantiated statement after unsubstantiated statement, following the traditional conservative fairy tale, “if I say it three times, it makes it true.”

And for a special supposedly grounded in history, the show was very sloppy. The timeline was all over the place: trends supposedely emerged simultaneously in the 1930s and the 1990s and trends that are not even related to each other were conflated, asynchronously, to try to patch together a case. This sort of Potemkin Village of fact-gathering is very much in the Fox style and one reason they’re not considered very reliable.

Let’s look at one of the early examples: Walter Duranty and his reports from Russia. One thing Fox didn’t mention was that, at the time, the entire world was in an uproar over the Russian Revolution of 1917, which looked to many oppressed peoples like the liberation they could only dream of. The Russians had, after all, thrown off the yoke of a wicked dictator who had appeared unassailable only months before he was deposed.

Yes, they were all wrong, and Duranty wronger than most. But to call him “left-wing” in the same sense that Chris Matthews is (wrongly) called left-wing is intensely ahistorical. Duranty was a darling of Moscow, explicitly praised by Stalin for his reporting. He was a long-term resident of Stalinist Russia. He was also far from alone in his delusion about the “socialist paradise” and it took years more of Stalinist terror and betrayal (all of which was viciously suppressed in the Soviet Union) before enthusiasts figured it out. But left-wing bias? Duranty and his fellow apologists weren’t even talking about the GOP or conservative values (Duranty was, after all, a British subject).

And Bozell’s out-of-context statement that “there was an element of the left particularly in newspapers that saw the Soviet Union as a grand experiement” — becomes silly and misleading when you realize that it was really only true from about 1920 to about 1935.

Let’s also look at the Democratic party’s deplorable history of racial prejudice. Historically, the whole country has been, until fairly recently, intensely racist — from Republican (and American) hero Abraham Lincoln on down. North and South, East and West. Recovery from the horrors of slavery only really began after the Civil War and hasn’t concluded yet. That’s one of the challenging things about historical reality — events’ effects tend to linger. The fact that there were active segregationists in the Democratic party as late as the 1950s doesn’t change the fact that there were equally or worse racist views held by Republicans and conservatives at the same time. There’s plenty of guilt to go around. The country has matured on this issue, and things that were accepted 50-60 years ago no longer are.

Hannity was also guilty (per usual) in selectively editing his quotes. (Has James O’Keefe formally joined Fox News’ staff?) The Thurmond/Lott controversy wasn’t about Lott’s statement that he would have voted for Thurmond (although that’s enough to give one pause), but what he said next — and which Hannity edited out: “And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either.” All those problems . . . as in civil rights, rolling back of Jim Crow laws, and most of all, that pesky agitator Martin Luther King Jr. That’s what got Lott’s ass tossed by his colleagues.

And the notion that Joe Biden has gotten a pass on his gaffes is flatly untrue. His comment about the “articulate” Obama was arguably the nail in the coffin of his campaign for president. And to this day, the media — left, right, and center — delight when Biden says something silly or provocative and whack him soundly (possibly because no one can fill the gap of misstatements and garbled thought left by George Bush).

Finally (although I could go on and on), there are two themes that emerge from this TV program that are both revelatory and disturbing.

Firstly, the notion that to attempt to explain something is same thing as apologizing for it. There’s a long series of remarks of “left wing” commentators describing aspects of communist or socialist societies that are characterized as “apologizing.” This is profoundly untrue and foolish. If you live in a black/white, evil/good, left/right world, then the real world — which is much more complicated and messy — will rise up in your face and slap you down. Cartoon villains and cartoon heroes don’t actually exist, and to believe so leaves you highly vulnerable to the real thing. Hannity does as much disservice to his fellow Americans with that one point of view as any of the bizarre and extremist positions he’s taken over time.

Secondly, Gerard Alexander (the professor from somewhere or other) tut-tuts that some journalists have forgotten that they are “American reporters” and instead try to take a neutral view of issues. Wow, the notion of journalists aspiring to be “fair and balanced” certainly has professor Alexander in a lather! That may have been the single most fatuous moment of the Hannity special, and that’s saying a lot. Suffice it to say, journalists are traditionally expected pursue truth, regardless of what language their passports are printed in. And pretending that happy talk that never points out America’s mistakes (what, you think we haven’t made any?) does anything but hobble America with ignorance, is profoundly ignorant and wrong-headed.

I could go on listing every specious allegation, misinterpretation, lie, bogus talking point, etc., etc., in this ham-handed hit piece. Instead, I’ll close with this thought: resentment and self-victimization, which every participant on Hannity’s special indulged in, is not the path to power, nor does it make you more credible. This sort of extended whine will perhaps encourage the wingnut base, but to thinking people, is just another confirmation that the right wing — at least as characterized by Hannity, Bozell, Hewett, and Malkin — is both stupid and evil.

Mission Accomplished!

Sorry. Did you say something? I nodded off at full disclosure:

Snowspot said:
This guy probably doesn’t even know who Murdoch is XD

He pulled a quote from someone , about something else , directed to someone else , that had of course nothing do with what he said .

black and WHITE said:
Sorry. Did you say something? I nodded off at full disclosure:

He ommitted that he was coo coo for cocoa puffs.

black and WHITE said:
Sorry. Did you say something? I nodded off at full disclosure:

Unsurprising. Typical. To be expected. Didn’t want to trigger “thought” or anything similar. Go back to sleep now.

black and WHITE said:
Sorry. Did you say something? I nodded off at full disclosure:

You could work in congress!

tws258 said:
He ommitted that he was coo coo for cocoa puffs.

You’ll be unshocked to hear I’m more of a granola type of guy.

mediadoubt said:
Unsurprising. Typical. To be expected. Didn’t want to trigger “thought” or anything similar. Go back to sleep now.

it’s a little depressing, that was well-written, and completely lost on people that assume they are never wrong…

mediadoubt said:
You’ll be unshocked to hear I’m more of a granola type of guy.

I’m unshocked , “Unshocked ” I say .

Snowspot said:
it’s a little depressing, that was well-written, and completely lost on people that assume they are never wrong…

And I’m not fooling myself. I wrote it for me, more than anything else, and for a few people who might read it. It’s really too long for a forum of this sort.

However, it allows me to poke those who dismiss it without reading and come up with some lamebrain halt-witticism, so my effort isn’t wasted.

tws258 said:
He pulled a quote from someone , about something else , directed to someone else , that had of course nothing do with what he said .

You pulled that out of your boyfriend’s Jaurez rear.

I quoted the Journal on response to his stupid assertion. But that was not good enough for him. Or for you either.

Now, perhaps you two dumbasses can share with us the details on Glenn Becks departure and why he was allowed a few more weeks on Fox to settle his affairs.

tws258 said:
I’m unshocked , “Unshocked ” I say .

well he did say chris matthews is wrongly considered left wing lol

mediadoubt said:
And I’m not fooling myself. I wrote it for me, more than anything else, and for a few people who might read it. It’s really too long for a forum of this sort.

Appreciated. The exchange that followed informed the larger piece in a telling manner.

mediadoubt said:
Mission Accomplished!

Thanks for this. I really enjoyed it!

Alice67 said:
Thanks for this. I really enjoyed it!

And thank you for saying so.

Greg said:
Appreciated. The exchange that followed informed the larger piece in a telling manner.

Alice67 said:
Thanks for this. I really enjoyed it!

I’m unshocked , “Unshocked ” again , I say .

Alice67 said:
“Earlier this week, News Corp. announced that the “Final Chapter” of Beck’s Fox News show would begin Friday.”

Here is Beck again on his “plans” to leave Fox and talk to the people directly because he loves the country so much.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201104220027

This time via Media Matters for the education of the Fox fans.

mediadoubt said:
You’ll be unshocked to hear I’m more of a granola type of guy.

Oh, now you’ve gone and started something!

cjd ohio 1 said:
well he did say chris matthews is wrongly considered left wing lol

Uh, no, that’s not what he said.

Snowspot said:
I wonder if the nazi’s had to run programs like this too during the run up to their violent take-over.

Violent sheep??? That’s a laugh.

Another stupid Hannity show. It was right up there with his last show, “America the most best wonderful country in the world”. It was classic stupid too. Fox…..my comedy central. Keep it up guys.

Skippy said:
Here is Beck again on his “plans” to leave Fox and talk to the people directly because he loves the country so much.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201104220027

This time via Media Matters for the education of the Fox fans.

Yeah. He’s going *out there* to speak to all the young conservatives. lol

mediadoubt said:
Let’s start with several of the talking heads who spoke: Brent Bozell, Hugh Hewitt, Michelle Malkin. These people have no credibility outside their own circles of belief, and it’s not hard to figure out why.

They are experts at pointing out liberal clowns, immoral clowns and thieves, in the media, in public service and in 0bama’s administration.

ndanielson said:
They are experts at pointing out liberal clowns, immoral clowns and thieves, in the media, in public service and in 0bama’s administration.

Alice67 said:
Yeah. He’s going *out there* to speak to all the young conservatives. lol

Do you two know each other ?

Alice67 said:
Uh, no, that’s not what he said.

mathews is not as far left wing as duranty, that better

tws258 said:
I’m unshocked , “Unshocked ” again , I say .

Congrats…? Who cares what you think, lol. You have nothing to say.

hannity, dumb as a bag of hammers

Alice67 said:
Dirty GOP: The Republican Plan To Abolish The EPA
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/17/gop-abolish-epa/

March 3, 2011 5:08 PM PST
Republicans launch bill to ax EPA carbon rules
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20039060-54.html#ixzz1KPLPtpH9

Oh ellie – your sources are so left wing ridiculous that I won’t even both to respond. Bah bye

cjd ohio 1 said:
lol, told you guys, even a government website tells him she was not drafted and still, you have to love this guy</blockquote
You called it right!!!! Can't believe it!…I thought he believed in the government…oh well…I thought for sure he would believe tws over me because he questioned if I had even been in the military off of my one statement! WOW..incredible

BTW…tws528….your response was not on my page when I posted but glad you were there so he would have to gov websites to check. For all the good that did!

I got distracted and forgot to submit my comments to you to earlier…you both crack me up!

Snowspot said:
Congrats…? Who cares what you think, lol. You have nothing to say.

You were nicer when you were banned : ) Really . Talk about can’t take a hint . Sheeesh .

Alice67 said:
Dirty GOP: The Republican Plan To Abolish The EPA
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/17/gop-abolish-epa/

March 3, 2011 5:08 PM PST
Republicans launch bill to ax EPA carbon rules

The same EPA that wants to regulate dairy farms over spilled milk? Wow, 0bama is so business friendly.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/02/epa-now-regulate-spilled-milk-really

mediadoubt said:
Full disclosure: I only saw the clips on Mediaite (Fox is optional where I live, and it’s not an option I’d ordinarily exercise), so there might be exculpatory evidence in parts of the special not excerpted here.

The special opens with Hannity’s bald statement that it’s common knowledge that the mainstream media is biased against the GOP. This sets the stage for unsubstantiated and garbled aspersions to come. Very Fox-like. He also alluded to “major scandals” and “victims left behind” without ever identifying either. Language used solely to be inflammatory, with no basis in fact. Also very Fox-like.

In summary, this is a perfect demonstration of why the center-left thinks conservatives are evil and stupid: the show is full of lies, and takes a dishonest and ignorant view of history. It also presents a cartoonish, manichean view of the world that might be useful in whipping up followers to win elections but is woefully inadequate when you have to get down to governing. There’s a reason that academia and many business leaders, professional societies, and mainstream religious organizations trend liberal: as Stephen Colbert has so famously said, “reality has a well-known liberal bias.”

Let’s start with several of the talking heads who spoke: Brent Bozell, Hugh Hewitt, Michelle Malkin. These people have no credibility outside their own circles of belief, and it’s not hard to figure out why. Throughout this piece they made unsubstantiated statement after unsubstantiated statement, following the traditional conservative fairy tale, “if I say it three times, it makes it true.”

And for a special supposedly grounded in history, the show was very sloppy. The timeline was all over the place: trends supposedely emerged simultaneously in the 1930s and the 1990s and trends that are not even related to each other were conflated, asynchronously, to try to patch together a case. This sort of Potemkin Village of fact-gathering is very much in the Fox style and one reason they’re not considered very reliable.

Let’s look at one of the early examples: Walter Duranty and his reports from Russia. One thing Fox didn’t mention was that, at the time, the entire world was in an uproar over the Russian Revolution of 1917, which looked to many oppressed peoples like the liberation they could only dream of. The Russians had, after all, thrown off the yoke of a wicked dictator who had appeared unassailable only months before he was deposed.

Yes, they were all wrong, and Duranty wronger than most. But to call him “left-wing” in the same sense that Chris Matthews is (wrongly) called left-wing is intensely ahistorical. Duranty was a darling of Moscow, explicitly praised by Stalin for his reporting. He was a long-term resident of Stalinist Russia. He was also far from alone in his delusion about the “socialist paradise” and it took years more of Stalinist terror and betrayal (all of which was viciously suppressed in the Soviet Union) before enthusiasts figured it out. But left-wing bias? Duranty and his fellow apologists weren’t even talking about the GOP or conservative values (Duranty was, after all, a British subject).

And Bozell’s out-of-context statement that “there was an element of the left particularly in newspapers that saw the Soviet Union as a grand experiement” — becomes silly and misleading when you realize that it was really only true from about 1920 to about 1935.

Let’s also look at the Democratic party’s deplorable history of racial prejudice. Historically, the whole country has been, until fairly recently, intensely racist — from Republican (and American) hero Abraham Lincoln on down. North and South, East and West. Recovery from the horrors of slavery only really began after the Civil War and hasn’t concluded yet. That’s one of the challenging things about historical reality — events’ effects tend to linger. The fact that there were active segregationists in the Democratic party as late as the 1950s doesn’t change the fact that there were equally or worse racist views held by Republicans and conservatives at the same time. There’s plenty of guilt to go around. The country has matured on this issue, and things that were accepted 50-60 years ago no longer are.

Hannity was also guilty (per usual) in selectively editing his quotes. (Has James O’Keefe formally joined Fox News’ staff?) The Thurmond/Lott controversy wasn’t about Lott’s statement that he would have voted for Thurmond (although that’s enough to give one pause), but what he said next — and which Hannity edited out: “And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either.” All those problems . . . as in civil rights, rolling back of Jim Crow laws, and most of all, that pesky agitator Martin Luther King Jr. That’s what got Lott’s ass tossed by his colleagues.

And the notion that Joe Biden has gotten a pass on his gaffes is flatly untrue. His comment about the “articulate” Obama was arguably the nail in the coffin of his campaign for president. And to this day, the media — left, right, and center — delight when Biden says something silly or provocative and whack him soundly (possibly because no one can fill the gap of misstatements and garbled thought left by George Bush).

Finally (although I could go on and on), there are two themes that emerge from this TV program that are both revelatory and disturbing.

Firstly, the notion that to attempt to explain something is same thing as apologizing for it. There’s a long series of remarks of “left wing” commentators describing aspects of communist or socialist societies that are characterized as “apologizing.” This is profoundly untrue and foolish. If you live in a black/white, evil/good, left/right world, then the real world — which is much more complicated and messy — will rise up in your face and slap you down. Cartoon villains and cartoon heroes don’t actually exist, and to believe so leaves you highly vulnerable to the real thing. Hannity does as much disservice to his fellow Americans with that one point of view as any of the bizarre and extremist positions he’s taken over time.

Secondly, Gerard Alexander (the professor from somewhere or other) tut-tuts that some journalists have forgotten that they are “American reporters” and instead try to take a neutral view of issues. Wow, the notion of journalists aspiring to be “fair and balanced” certainly has professor Alexander in a lather! That may have been the single most fatuous moment of the Hannity special, and that’s saying a lot. Suffice it to say, journalists are traditionally expected pursue truth, regardless of what language their passports are printed in. And pretending that happy talk that never points out America’s mistakes (what, you think we haven’t made any?) does anything but hobble America with ignorance, is profoundly ignorant and wrong-headed.

I could go on listing every specious allegation, misinterpretation, lie, bogus talking point, etc., etc., in this ham-handed hit piece. Instead, I’ll close with this thought: resentment and self-victimization, which every participant on Hannity’s special indulged in, is not the path to power, nor does it make you more credible. This sort of extended whine will perhaps encourage the wingnut base, but to thinking people, is just another confirmation that the right wing — at least as characterized by Hannity, Bozell, Hewett, and Malkin — is both stupid and evil.

Mission Accomplished!

Your exposition uses erudite phrasings and verbosity to say one simple premise that you seem to hold dear: “Fox lies.” While I am not willing to engage you (and it is too late at night) on every point where you argue that this is a “ham-handed hit piece” (a pov that pervades your essay), I will point you to the Pulitzer Committee’s statement regarding Duranty. Both the NY Times and the Pulitzer Committee based their decisions regarding Duranty on their belief that his deception was not INTENTIONAL- apparently just the result of bad reporting and/or BIAS.

“Columbia University – Nov 21, 2003

“Statement on Walter Duranty’s 1932 Prize”

“After more than six months of study and deliberation, the Pulitzer Prize Board has decided it will not revoke the foreign reporting prize awarded in 1932 to Walter Duranty of The New York Times.

In recent months, much attention has been paid to Mr. Duranty’s dispatches regarding the famine in the Soviet Union in 1932-1933, which have been criticized as gravely defective. However, a Pulitzer Prize for reporting is awarded not for the author’s body of work or for the author’s character but for the specific pieces entered in the competition. Therefore, the board focused its attention on the 13 articles that actually won the prize, articles written and published during 1931. [A complete list of the articles, with dates and headlines, is attached.]

In its review of the 13 articles, the Board determined that Mr. Duranty’s 1931 work, measured by today’s standards for foreign reporting, falls seriously short. In that regard, the Board’s view is similar to that of The New York Times itself and of some scholars who have examined his 1931 reports. However, the board concluded that there was not clear and convincing evidence of deliberate deception, the relevant standard in this case. Revoking a prize 71 years after it was awarded under different circumstances, when all principals are dead and unable to respond, would be a momentous step and therefore would have to rise to that threshold.

The famine of 1932-1933 was horrific and has not received the international attention it deserves. By its decision, the board in no way wishes to diminish the gravity of that loss. The Board extends its sympathy to Ukrainians and others in the United States and throughout the world who still mourn the suffering and deaths brought on by Josef Stalin.

Walter Duranty’s 13 articles in 1931 submitted for 1932 Pulitzer Prize

Eleven-part series in The New York Times

Duranty 1 6/14/1931 – “Red Russia of Today Ruled by Stalinism, Not Communism”
Duranty 2 6/16/1931 – “Socialism First Aim in Soviet’s Program; Trade Gains Second”
Duranty 3 6/18/1931 – “Stalinism Shelves World Revolt Idea; To Win Russia First”
Duranty 4 6/19/1931 – “Industrial Success Emboldens Soviet in New World Policy”
Duranty 5 6/20/1931 – “Trade Equilibrium is New Soviet Goal”
Duranty 6 6/22/1931 – “Soviet Fixes Opinion by Widest Control”
Duranty 7 6/23/1931 – “Soviet Censorship Hurts Russia Most”
Duranty 8 6/24/1931 – “Stalinism Smashes Foes in Marx’s Name”
Duranty 9 6/25/1931 – “Red Army is Held No Menace to Peace”
Duranty 10 6/26/1931 – “Stalinism Solving Minorities Problem”
Duranty 11 6/27/1931 – “Stalinism’s Mark is Party Discipline”

Two articles in The New York Times magazine

Duranty 12 3/29/1931 – “The Russian Looks at the World”
Duranty 13 12/20/1931 – “Stalin’s Russia Is An Echo of Iron Ivan’s”

mibwilso said:
I mean, how could ANYONE possibly think there might be a racist bone in your bodies????

Well, they made it all the way to page 3 before throwing down the old race card.,

TillieGlockenspiel says:

The sheep are inviting the rise of communism in America. And the one, snowpet, thinks there will be violence. Snowpet, how hard can you bite? LOL.

ndanielson said:
The same EPA that wants to regulate dairy farms over spilled milk? Wow, 0bama is so business friendly.

You’re very nice to ellie after last week . OW8 .

seek said:
Bah bye

Is that a promise? :)

just wow said:
You’re very nice to ellie after last week . OW8 .

She’s pointless to engage.

At least when you call a liberal stupid, it’s not a slur.

ndanielson said:
She’s pointless to engage.

But you did . That’s so ellie , not to say anything . She’s now Alice67.

mediadoubt: Wow, the notion of journalists aspiring to be “fair and balanced” certainly has professor Alexander in a lather!

Wow, wasn’t Tommy Christopher writing about someone being in “lathers” just last week?

The left’s idea of fair and balanced is “republican” in the headline, and democrat omitted from the story altogether. Newsbusters does such a nice job of exposing the sick bias in the media.

I know that Malkin, for one, has written extensively about the stench in the white house admin. Whether they are republican or democrats. She has written much that I have a hard time disproving. The culture of corruption is alive and well in 0bama’s white house. Michelle’s website is excellent for anyone wanting to know the depth of corruption in the past two administrations. Where is the bias there? Except that one administration has much more corruption? Is that Malkin’s fault? Seems as if the only bias is in 0bama’s choice of who will work for America, and who wont.

just wow said:
But you did . That’s so ellie , not to say anything . She’s now Alice67.

They do seem to all have so many iterations of themselves, don’t they? She was just a good reason to show the destructiveness of the sham of the EPA through at least one link. Unelected officials that can TAX at will is something only a socialist would stand by. She is a joke.

Someone tell ellie that Americans can police America’s spills and cleanups much better than government socialists ever could.

it’s unfortunate that the media must be called out like this. to be fair to the left, this is all they know how to do.

mibwilso said:
Now, how on EARTH could somebody possibly label conservatives that way??

I mean, when your network constantly demonizes minority groups like ACORN….or talks about long-since-irrelevant groups like the Black Panthers…..or gives air time to people who act like being a muslim would be a disqualifying factor for Barack Obama……I mean, how could ANYONE possibly think there might be a racist bone in your bodies????

Or when people on the right spend endless ink and air time demonizing people with Master’s degrees and PhDs at universities….the people who have spent lots of time getting an education? How could anyone say you’re stupid???

Or when you argue that the Earth is only 6000 years old???? How could anyone possibly arrive at the conclusion that you’re dumb?

Those labels may be stereotypes, but they didn’t just come from out of the blue.

I’m glad you wrote this for yourself because I think you get the prize for the biggest bunch of nonsense by a poster in a single post.

Don’t know who you’ve met who argues that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Haven’t met anyone myself. If you are referring to the fact that the Bible accounts for about 6000 years of the earths history – that’s a different kettle of fish.

“Today, many religious denominations accept that biological evolution has produced the diversity of living things over billions of years of Earth’s history. Many have issued statements observing that evolution and the tenets of their faiths are compatible. Scientists and theologians have written eloquently about their awe and wonder at the history of the universe and of life on this planet, explaining that they see no conflict between their faith in God and the evidence for evolution. Religious denominations that do not accept the occurrence of evolution tend to be those that believe in strictly literal interpretations of religious texts.”
—National Academy of Sciences, Science, Evolution, and Creationism

Demonized Acorn? Acorn did it to themselves, didn’t seem to need any outside help.

Do you know that I’ve heard MSM talk about the right thinking Obama is a Muslim. Haven’t heard any of the talking heads on Fox say it. Once again “projection”.

Black Panthers – a non entity – obviously Holder agrees with you because he didn’t much care that they intimidated voters (video available on request).

The left has absolutely no trouble demonizing Charles (wheel-chair bound) – how many degrees does the man have? 5? Bush – stupid man – Harvard grad – a couple of degrees. Bachmann – 2 law degrees – God is she stupid!

Your entire post is “Straw-man’s fallacy” . It had enough holes to qualify as swiss cheese .

snatchax said:
to be fair to the left, this is all they know how to do.

“To be fair”. Is a one way street to the destruction of this country, and should stop and desist immediately.

Anyone who watched this and took it seriously must be a douchebag.

ndanielson said:
They do seem to all have so many iterations of themselves, don’t they? She was just a good reason to show the destructiveness of the sham of the EPA through at least one link. Unelected officials that can TAX at will is something only a socialist would stand by. She is a joke.

You’re a good man , ndanielson . Thanks.

seek said:
Bush – stupid man – Harvard grad – a couple of degrees. Bachmann – 2 law degrees – God is she stupid!

They’ve actually ran businesses and worked outside of academia and government. Bush, first MBA president. Better grades than the haughty J. François Kerry. And who knows how smart Mr. 0 is??? He’s to humble so show us. LOL.

seek said:
I’m glad you wrote this for yourself because I think you get the prize for the biggest bunch of nonsense by a poster in a single post.

Don’t know who you’ve met who argues that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Haven’t met anyone myself. If you are referring to the fact that the Bible accounts for about 6000 years of the earths history – that’s a different kettle of fish.

“Today, many religious denominations accept that biological evolution has produced the diversity of living things over billions of years of Earth’s history. Many have issued statements observing that evolution and the tenets of their faiths are compatible. Scientists and theologians have written eloquently about their awe and wonder at the history of the universe and of life on this planet, explaining that they see no conflict between their faith in God and the evidence for evolution. Religious denominations that do not accept the occurrence of evolution tend to be those that believe in strictly literal interpretations of religious texts.”
—National Academy of Sciences, Science, Evolution, and Creationism

Demonized Acorn? Acorn did it to themselves, didn’t seem to need any outside help.

Do you know that I’ve heard MSM talk about the right thinking Obama is a Muslim. Haven’t heard any of the talking heads on Fox say it. Once again “projection”.

Black Panthers – a non entity – obviously Holder agrees with you because he didn’t much care that they intimidated voters (video available on request).

The left has absolutely no trouble demonizing Charles (wheel-chair bound) – how many degrees does the man have? 5? Bush – stupid man – Harvard grad – a couple of degrees. Bachmann – 2 law degrees – God is she stupid!

Your entire post is “Straw-man’s fallacy” . It had enough holes to qualify as swiss cheese .

New Black Panthers!!! Hahaha you racists are so scared of black men that over 2 years later you losers are still twisting your panties over that video. Here is the thing, conservatives always want to say they are fearless and we should go bomb shit all the time. The reality is you are all so scared of everything that it dictates everything you do, whether it is BS Homeland Security, or still talking about 2 big angry black men who prevented you from voting for Douchebag McCain and Sarah Quitter. Hilarious.

Color Me Badd said:
New Black Panthers!!! Hahaha you racists are so scared of black men that over 2 years later you losers are still twisting your panties over that video. Here is the thing, conservatives always want to say they are fearless and we should go bomb shit all the time. The reality is you are all so scared of everything that it dictates everything you do, whether it is BS Homeland Security, or still talking about 2 big angry black men who prevented you from voting for Douchebag McCain and Sarah Quitter. Hilarious.

Yes, and picking and choosing laws you ignore or enforce is such a liberal democrat thing, that you douche bags even find it amusingly funny. No wonder you can’t sing the blues, you have such a shallow soul.

Color Me Badd said:
New Black Panthers!!! Hahaha you racists are so scared of black men that over 2 years later you losers are still twisting your panties over that video. Here is the thing, conservatives always want to say they are fearless and we should go bomb shit all the time. The reality is you are all so scared of everything that it dictates everything you do, whether it is BS Homeland Security, or still talking about 2 big angry black men who prevented you from voting for Douchebag McCain and Sarah Quitter. Hilarious.

No comment

mediadoubt said:
This sets the stage for unsubstantiated and garbled aspersions to come. Very Fox-like.

mediadoubt said:
In summary, this is a perfect demonstration of why the center-left thinks conservatives are evil and stupid: the show is full of lies, and takes a dishonest and ignorant view of history.

mediadoubt said:
These people have no credibility outside their own circles of belief

mediadoubt said:
Throughout this piece they made unsubstantiated statement after unsubstantiated statement, following the traditional conservative fairy tale,

This only three parapraphs into a 15 paragraph rant .

Snowspot said:
it’s a little depressing, that was well-written, and completely lost on people that assume they are never wrong…

Greg said:
Appreciated. The exchange that followed informed the larger piece in a telling manner.

Alice67 said:
Thanks for this. I really enjoyed it!

I’ll stand by my earlier declaration : I’m unshocked , “Unshocked ” again , I say .

Color Me Badd said:
Anyone who watched this and took it seriously must be a douchebag.

I watched what was there; the whole program wasn’t reproduced here. I took what I saw with a grain of salt considering the source, host and most of the personalities interviewed for it. I don’t know if that qualifies me as a douche-bag, but I often find it appropriate to have as much knowledge as possible on a topic if I’m going to opine on the merits, or lack thereof, of any topic presented on these here fine inter-webs. To get cable newsy metaphysical, Hannity’s little bias special reminds me of Chris Matthews’ “Rise of the New Right” deal from a couple months back.

ndanielson said:
The same EPA that wants to regulate dairy farms over spilled milk? Wow, 0bama is so business friendly.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/02/epa-now-regulate-spilled-milk-really

“After working closely with dairy farmers and other members of the agricultural community, we’re taking commonsense steps to exempt them from a provision in this rule that simply shouldn’t apply to them. Despite the myths that have arisen about EPA’s intentions, our efforts have been solely focused on exempting milk and milk products from this regulation — and that exemption is now permanent,” said EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson. “This step will relieve a potential burden from our nation’s dairy farms, potentially saving them money, and ensuring that EPA can focus on the pressing business of environmental and health protection.”

Based on input from the milk industry, EPA previously delayed SPCC compliance requirements for milk and milk product containers until the mandated regulatory process could be completed. In January 2009, EPA proposed the rule to exempt milk containers from the SPCC rule. Milk production is already subject to certain construction and sanitary standards and requirements that help prevent spills.”

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/0/722B4E05C8312D528525787000692B36

Moron.

Wow, just WOW! I don’t have cable and didn’t get to watch the show but it sure got a ____ load of liberals all wee weed up. Thing is most didn’t even watch the show either and got angry just at the title and source.

Greg said:
“After working closely with dairy farmers and other members of the agricultural community, we’re taking commonsense steps to exempt them from a provision in this rule that simply shouldn’t apply to them. Despite the myths that have arisen about EPA’s intentions, our efforts have been solely focused on exempting milk and milk products from this regulation — and that exemption is now permanent,” said EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson. “This step will relieve a potential burden from our nation’s dairy farms, potentially saving them money, and ensuring that EPA can focus on the pressing business of environmental and health protection.”

Based on input from the milk industry, EPA previously delayed SPCC compliance requirements for milk and milk product containers until the mandated regulatory process could be completed. In January 2009, EPA proposed the rule to exempt milk containers from the SPCC rule. Milk production is already subject to certain construction and sanitary standards and requirements that help prevent spills.”

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/0/722B4E05C8312D528525787000692B36

Moron.

Moron. The EPA will save small dairies money??? You call me a moron? Hey, we’re from the government and we’re here to help. Moron.

Liberals give names to programs that are the exact opposite of what they do. Fairness doctrine, Community Reinvestment Act, Employee Free Choice Act, Pro Choice! And you link to a government study? LOL. Idiot. Hey tell CMB that the 0bama’s justice department cleared itself of any wrong doing in the voter intimidation case. She could use another laugh! EPA study on the EPA. Wow.

Ajolily said:
Thing is most didn’t even watch the show either and got angry just at the title and source.

THIS!

The whole thing isn’t even available to watch here. Also, I would have thought most devoted leftists who have a good laugh at a media bias special hosted by Sean Hannity of all people rather than break out the long knives over it.

mibwilso said:
But regardless of whether manmade global warming is real, the problem is that too many conservatives don’t seem to think that clean air and less pollution are worth striving for anyway.

No, we feel it’s not worth destroying our economy and standard of living over when the technology isn’t ready, especially if the concept of anthropogenic global hasn’t actually achieved the status of “theory”.

ndanielson said:
Moron. The EPA will save small dairies money??? You call me a moron? Hey, we’re from the government and we’re here to help. Moron.

Liberals give names to programs that are the exact opposite of what they do. Fairness doctrine, Community Reinvestment Act, Employee Free Choice Act, Pro Choice! And you link to a government study? LOL. Idiot. Hey tell CMB that the 0bama’s justice department cleared itself of any wrong doing in the voter intimidation case. She could use another laugh! EPA study on the EPA. Wow.

Dear Moron,

This is called a “press release” In this “press release” the EPA is announcing that it will not consider dairy farmers liable in the manner described in the article you posted. Your evidence that EPA regulations under Obama are not business friendly thereby becomes evidence that the EPA in fact listens to the concerns of business and adjusts the implementation of legal statue (1970) so that regulatory burdens are minimized. Go back to brewing your meth in the state park… Moron.

Greg said:
Dear Moron,

This is called a “press release” In this “press release” the EPA is announcing that it will not consider dairy farmers liable in the manner described in the article you posted. Your evidence that EPA regulations under Obama are not business friendly thereby becomes evidence that the EPA in fact listens to the concerns of business and adjusts the implementation of legal statue (1970) so that regulatory burdens are minimized. Go back to brewing your meth in the state park… Moron.

They are unelected officials that may enact and implement fines, regulations and SHUTDOWNS of any business, or operation they see fit to assault. Bite me with your meth remarks, dick.

Only at Mediaite will you find an EPA debate in a Sean Hannity related comment section. Mediaite really needs “open threads.”

Greg said:
Dear Moron,

This is called a “press release” In this “press release” the EPA is announcing that it will not consider dairy farmers liable in the manner described in the article you posted. Your evidence that EPA regulations under Obama are not business friendly thereby becomes evidence that the EPA in fact listens to the concerns of business and adjusts the implementation of legal statue (1970) so that regulatory burdens are minimized. Go back to brewing your meth in the state park… Moron.

Furthermore, dickbrain, I can guarantee you that it wasn’t liberals or democrats that brought the abuse if this attempted legislation to a stop. It was people like Thomas Sowell, and Michelle Malkin, and real conservatives and economists that drew attention to the overreach of your socialist in chiefs EPA goons. Bite hard again. Moron. It was a victory over your boy’s socialist plans for once. For now, as liberal sheep never stop. Yet.

ndanielson said:
They are unelected officials that may enact and implement fines, regulations and SHUTDOWNS of any business, or operation they see fit to assault. Bite me with your meth remarks, dick.

They are agents of the executive branch, charged with enforcing legislative mandates… bound by the letter of the law as established by elected representatives. That’s how our political system works. You think my remarks were harsh? How do you think it looks to a dedicated American when a low down dirty Confederate attacks our president with a false and easily disproven thesis… Because he/ she is to lazy to spend five minutes disproving his own dumb bias…

Who is Salacious Crumb said:
Only at Mediaite will you find an EPA debate in a Sean Hannity related comment section. Mediaite really needs “open threads.”

It’s all about the news that reaches a sheep’s ear, ain’t it? Like the EPA and the fraud of man-made global warming. A liberal hoax that only sheep buy into.

Greg said:
They are agents of the executive branch, charged with enforcing legislative mandates… bound by the letter of the law as established by elected representatives.

Unelected officials APPOINTED by the socialist-in-chief. Moron. With NO LEGAL AUTHORITY IN THE CONSTITUTION TO TAX AND PENALIZE PRIVATE CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES. NONE. Moron.

Who is Salacious Crumb said:
Only at Mediaite will you find an EPA debate in a Sean Hannity related comment section. Mediaite really needs “open threads.”

HAHAHA…yep. And if I can add…MEDIAite should also make it harder to change names. SOME people here change names faster than their underwear.

ndanielson said:
Unelected officials APPOINTED by the socialist-in-chief. Moron. With NO LEGAL AUTHORITY IN THE CONSTITUTION TO TAX AND PENALIZE PRIVATE CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES. NONE. Moron.

Silly Confederate…. This times it’s not North versus South but urban and educated versus obese and toothless… Good luck devolving the country toward the 17th century with that cohort… Or is it the bronze age you pine for… Angry that the sons of Ham killed Christ’s dinosaur?

darladoon said:
glackin, dumb as a bag of darladoons

Who is Salacious Crumb said:
Only at Mediaite will you find an EPA debate in a Sean Hannity related comment section. Mediaite really needs “open threads.”

Seconded.

Paul G said:
HAHAHA…yep. And if I can add…MEDIAite should also make it harder to change names. SOME people here change names faster than their underwear.

More frequently too .

Color Me Badd said:
Hahaha you racists are so scared of black men

Sorry, someone beat you to it back on page 3. Better luck next time.

TillieGlockenspiel said:
. . . I will point you to the Pulitzer Committee’s statement regarding Duranty. Both the NY Times and the Pulitzer Committee based their decisions regarding Duranty on their belief that his deception was not INTENTIONAL- apparently just the result of bad reporting and/or BIAS.

OK, so the Pulitzer committee decided, 70 years after the fact, not to rescind Duranty’s award because all of the principals were dead. And they used the word “bias” in their decision.

This is a very thin reed. Duranty’s “bias” was because he was an avowed Stalinist, fer chrisake! Which I acknowledged in my post. My point was, taking the 70-year-old writings of one of the dictator’s favorite Western reporters as evidence of a consistent liberal bias against the policies of the GOP was a gross distortion of history.

And my post was meant to say much more than that “Fox lies.” It was meant to say that Fox also misrepresents, and deceives, and prevaricates, and twists, and obscures, and plays bait-and-switch, and simplifies, and makes inapt comparisons, and dumbs down, and . . . fill in the blank.

tws258 said: I’ll stand by my earlier declaration : I’m unshocked , “Unshocked ” again , I say .

OK, so you’ve mastered the Quote tool. And this is meaningful because?

ndanielson said:
They are unelected officials that may enact and implement fines, regulations and SHUTDOWNS of any business, or operation they see fit to assault. Bite me with your meth remarks, dick.

Yes. It’s called government. Is there something magic about being elected before someone is allowed to enforce the law? This’ll come as a real surprise to just about every law enforcement officer out there.

Man Bites Dog said:
Sorry, someone beat you to it back on page 3. Better luck next time.

Repeat my name again, and I may consider asking for royalties.
Glad I amuse you, whoever you are.
If your pseudonym is true, my wolfhound would LUV to swap bites with you.
Hide out, make fun. But, if you live within 5 meters of sea level, stay packed.
Nature is not going to wait until your “technology” is ready.
She doesn’t give a sh#t about you.
You are part of one of millions of species on her planet.
You are restricted to 30% of it anyway.
Maybe she wants to give the occupants of the other 70% a little more room.
Maybe she thinks they take better care of their home than we do.
As George Carlin said, “The world is going to be fine. It’s we people who are f#cked.”

Man Bites Dog said:

I have NO desire to live in your head. It smells like it hasn’t bathed in months, and as if someone in here masturbates frequently. LET ME OUT!

ndanielson said:
Unelected officials APPOINTED by the socialist-in-chief. Moron. With NO LEGAL AUTHORITY IN THE CONSTITUTION TO TAX AND PENALIZE PRIVATE CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES. NONE. Moron.

Members of the Executive branch are governed by the officials elected to office, true.
Most are career employees who have been hired for their expertise, be it science or law enforcement.
Unelected officials run the IRS, the FBI, the Secret Service, ATF, ICE, DHS, the Coast Guard and the “Uniformed Services.”
And your Constitutional challenge to their authority is……..WHAT?
Back to your cave, trog.

Oh yea, and your are well documented as a lover of the constitution, right JG?

Keep kissin up on those frogs

WaterLoo said:
Oh yea, and your are well documented as a lover of the constitution, right JG?

I have, in my life, held up my right hand and sworn to support and defend it more than once.
That is a BIG part of what drives me to defend it against those cretins who want to pervert it.
It was not carved in stone when it was written, nor is it now.
But it is the best guide ever devised for a society to grow and mature while safeguarding the rights of all.
I thought the “Patriot Act” treasonous, and still do. How about you?
When and where did YOU “support and defend”? Just asking. Don’t expect an answer.
“It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

MacBeth

tws258 said:
You were nicer when you were banned : ) Really . Talk about can’t take a hint . Sheeesh .

I don’t really know what that means.. what a surprise, some weirdo tea bagger accusing a user of using a “false name” or making up some weird crap. I’ve never been banned :P

mediadoubt said:
OK, so the Pulitzer committee decided, 70 years after the fact, not to rescind Duranty’s award because all of the principals were dead. And they used the word “bias” in their decision.

This is a very thin reed. Duranty’s “bias” was because he was an avowed Stalinist, fer chrisake! Which I acknowledged in my post. My point was, taking the 70-year-old writings of one of the dictator’s favorite Western reporters as evidence of a consistent liberal bias against the policies of the GOP was a gross distortion of history.

And my post was meant to say much more than that “Fox lies.” It was meant to say that Fox also misrepresents, and deceives, and prevaricates, and twists, and obscures, and plays bait-and-switch, and simplifies, and makes inapt comparisons, and dumbs down, and . . . fill in the blank.

I just have one request. Would you please open a window next time BEFORE you proceed to stink the place up so bad.

Snowspot said:
I don’t really know what that means.. what a surprise, some weirdo tea bagger accusing a user of using a “false name” or making up some weird crap. I’ve never been banned :P

Here’s one of Itzhak Perlman’s first students at Juilliard. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMo7EeQZD7Q

black and WHITE said:
I just have one request. Would you please open a window next time BEFORE you proceed to stink the place up so bad.

What a wimp! Hold yer nose.

Color Me Badd said:
Color Me Badd says:
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Wait Fox is doing a special on “media bias”? Bwhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

Bwhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

Snowspot said:
I don’t really know what that means.. what a surprise, some weirdo tea bagger accusing a user of using a “false name” or making up some weird crap. I’ve never been banned :P

Some of the “outer” of the outpatients who lurk in this place seem to think that if one is sufficiently offensive, one can be banned (necessitating signing up again under another name).

Magical thinking at its best. It hasn’t occurred to them that anyone would consider *their* posts offensive.

mediadoubt said:
And I’m not fooling myself. I wrote it for me, more than anything else, and for a few people who might read it. It’s really too long for a forum of this sort.

However, it allows me to poke those who dismiss it without reading and come up with some lamebrain halt-witticism, so my effort isn’t wasted.

P U

I’m sorry I missed the show; Hannity of course is correct, the media bias is blatant and obvious to anyone who will open their eyes to it. Thankfully, I think the american people recognize that a news anchor who bows to the President isn’t going to report facts or truth on said President, he will instead kiss his clymer and report what he is told to report. NBC is by far the worst in terms of the bias on the networks anyway, between the bower and David Gregory, who is a king of the birthers, their viewing public has no clue.

CBS is next worst….but because they have a cheer leader perky person in the anchor seat, no one takes them seriously anyway.

Charlie “are we fighting a holy war” Gibson at least retired when he recognized his ignorance about ACORN was a true embarrassment to him. Now though with the democrat operative George sitting in a chair that is way to big for him, the blatant bias will continue.

MSNBC is just an extension of NBC, they are beyond biased, they are clearly propagandists. CNN is just plain lost, when it went into the gutter to compete with MSNBC, people said – no thanks, we know that BS exists on one nework, we don’t need another one.

FNC is the only network where both sides of a story will be heard; the rest of them, and their democrat newspapers, are slowly losing business – a well deserved loss of business. The bias is killing them and they won’t wake up and smell the coffee…and history will excoriate them, as they deserve.

Skippy said:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-demonstrates-just-how-often-fox-news-personalities-references-nazis/

Jon Stewart Demonstrates Just How Often Fox News Personalities Reference Nazis

” FOX NEWS ” is correct in their accusations of the Obama Socialist regime and their faithfull, though misguided sycophant followers in the MSM and beyond employing the same propaganda practices of Hitler’s Nazi regime in the beginning when they were only assasinating the Jew’s character.

After that caought on it was simply a matter of time before the true Holocaust ( systematic mass extermination of an entire race of people ) began, merely because they did not fit into Obama’s, oops Hitler’s ideology for a NEW WORLD ORDER.

Back then the cowards ( liberals ) of the day just fell in line ( goose stepped ) their way through the war, rationalizing in their own morally bankrupt minds, we have no other choice but to participate in silence.

Just as those cowards ( liberals ) that came before, today’s liberal and their cowardly ways make them just as culpable as their evil ( un – American leaders. They ARE modern day Nazis. Can I get a heil Obama !

He is risen! May all of you have a wonderful Easter.

Patrick Henry said:
He is risen! May all of you have a wonderful Easter.

Thank you, may you do the same.

Patrick Henry said:
He is risen! May all of you have a wonderful Easter.

And seeking a second term.

david r said:
And seeking a second term.

I laughed.

david r said:
And seeking a second term.

Bingo! It’s hilarious to witness the left bash Christian faith while they are every bit as devout to Teh One & Al Gore as Christians are to Jesus.

Wow! Juan Williams sure is sucking up to and sucking off that FNC teat.

Anybody see the story about Wonkette on ABC, NBC, CBS?

Yeh, didn’t think so.

But they aren’t biased to left. /sarc.

I have ‘enjoyed’ all the enlightened comments from liberals. They hate Fox, want it off the air blah blah. They again feel they have/should have the right to dictate what people should and should not hear and see. They don’t want you, me and anyone else to hear any opposing view.

We had dear old ellie proudly stating that she helped with the boycotting of Beck. She said his “hate” was over the top. She proudly stated that the hit piece on Trig was fine. Such a “gentle” lady.

Oh Bill calling Sarah a c—-, no problem “he’s a comic and we should grow up” or better yet “that’s what she is and we are not honest enough to admit it”. Either statement holds true because she’s on the right. Limbaugh makes some banal statement and he should be shot – never see the light of day again! Bachmann makes a mistake in a speech – she’s stupid, every media outlet covers it ad nauseam. Obama – off the cuff – states he’s visited 57 states and nobody makes a big deal (he’s brilliant you know). Thank God the poor man is a democrat cause if he had been a republican, he would never and I mean ever live it down.

I think Mika is a big embarrassment to her Father (or perhaps he’s proud because he was always worried about that one). The woman makes the most ridiculous statements – but somehow I’ve never demanded she get off my t.v. (well that’s not true – I have demanded that someone in my household better turn the channel or I’d not be responsible for the condition of the set). I’ve never written to her network and stated she must go. Wouldn’t even cross my mind. Don’t even get me started on Joy who the network thought was so brilliant that one show wasn’t enough to showcase all her talents and her hatred of the right. lol

The stupid right haven’t demanded that any of the left wing media outlets be stopped, shut down etc. yet we are called the “intolerant” ones. We want people to die! lol Only Fox has both left and right views on each issue – and I mean only Fox. The left just cannot tolerate that. Somehow they don’t like the odds – 1 against all – too risky

Even left wing politicians have gotten into the act.

It is beyond stupid that they cannot or will not admit they don’t want the right to have any rights. None!

Ahh the foibles and follies of the lefties.

Happy Easter to each and every one of you (I’m sorry but I ate the ears first).

seek said:
Happy Easter to each and every one of you (I’m sorry but I ate the ears first).

Happy Easter to you as well! Try not to let them (dems/libs/progs/marxists) get ya down. Remember we are the adults and they are the children.

That is honestly the most appropriate comparison. Dems/libs/progs/marxists have minds that are emotionally under-developed. Tell a child they can’t have their allowance this week because you got layed off and don’t have the money, they’ll give you same response as a 40 year old democrat.

They are incapable of adult thought, common sense, and in many cases reality. They honestly believe the magic unicorn will keep printing money and life will just go on as always. They are in for a rude awakening.

It’s hard to imagine that liberals watching the program will be convinced that the scales are skewed in their favor”

That’s because libs are too afraid to admit there is a bias. Just look at the difference in how the NYT’s wrote the obituaries of Strom Thurmond and Robert “KKK” Byrd.; that said it all.

And MG, Senator Dodd’s tribute to Byrd?

“Dodd apologizes if Byrd tribute offended anyone”

WASHINGTON (AP) — Sen. Christopher Dodd said Wednesday he was sorry if anyone was offended by his tribute to a fellow senator who once voted against civil rights legislation.

Dodd, D-Conn., has been criticized by some conservative commentators for saying April 1 that Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., would have been a great senator and leader at any time in history, including the Civil War.

Byrd, who at one time was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He has repeatedly apologized for his brief KKK membership and said his vote against the civil rights vote was one of only two votes that he regrets having made during his 45 years in the Senate.

“Words can sting and hurt,” Dodd told The Associated Press Wednesday. “If in any way, in my referencing the Civil War, I offended anyone, I apologize.”

Emma said:
Wow! Juan Williams sure is sucking up to and sucking off that FNC teat.

Sounds like you are very jealous, honey!

Left wing bias? Why, just look at all the networks that lean right. There’s Fox News, and….and….well, there’s Fox News.

notsofast said:
Sounds like you are very jealous, honey!

I’ve nursed better than FNC sycophants. :-)

Emma said:
I’ve nursed better than FNC sycophants. :-)

baby, you want a taste of the FNC panel!

Color Me Badd said:
Color Me Badd says:
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Wait Fox is doing a special on “media bias”? Bwhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah
Bwhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

Snowspot said:
I don’t really know what that means.. what a surprise, some weirdo tea bagger accusing a user of using a “false name” or making up some weird crap. I’ve never been banned :P

Even on the short bus , you are the slow kid Jon. Banned and all comments removed …sad . : (

http://tinyurl.com/3lf72rv

mediadoubt said:
Some of the “outer” of the outpatients who lurk in this place seem to think that if one is sufficiently offensive, one can be banned (necessitating signing up again under another name).
Magical thinking at its best. It hasn’t occurred to them that anyone would consider *their* posts offensive.

If your booster seat has a steering wheel , it doesn’t mean you are driving the short bus . just sayin’

CBSNBCABCCNNMSNBCLaTimesNewYorkTime have all pledged unwavering, unquestioning support for Dear Leader.
Fox is the only news outlet that dares to question Dear Leader. Its failure to follow lockstep has made it the target. When one does not raise its arms in tribute it exposes all the rest to the fraud that they are.
This is the disintermediated, distributed, person-2-person era of media where everyone with a computer has a printing press. Just as there is no ‘nerve center’ of the Tea Party there is no ‘nerve center’ of conservatism: just the ideals of personal liberty, freedom and helping your fellow man to lead a better life with the greatest freedom of all being that of being free FROM government.
Soros, et. have yet to join even the latter half of the 20th century, not to speak of the 21st. They just don’t know how to deal with that sort of world. It will be messy to finally convince these sorts of power hungry centralizers that man is born free, meant to live free or die trying. Yes, that will be quite messy as the old system ‘changes’ to one not centralized, not beholden to government and supports the liberty of our fellow man to be free.
Media Matters is an irrelevant fraud looking for a way to keep the fools that fund them continue to send cash.
I have no problem if peeps hate Fox News but please, go after them with the TRUTH not your stupid lefty double-speak because you have NO PLACE in the marketplace of ideas!!!

Of course there is a bias in the media. Obama was sold to us by the used car salesmen at MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN. YOU all gave him and his cronies a pass, none of you have called him on the simple fact that every single campaign promise and pledge has been thrown out the window. George Bush Sr. wins a war, is in office when the Soviet Union dissolves, and YOU sorry scumsucking bastards do nothing but play over and over again “REad my lips, no new taxes.” You ran him out of office for your scumbag drug addicted immoral douche Clinton, then you trumpet Clinton and his NAFTA bullsh** which has done nothing but funnel millions of jobs and billions of dollars from the United States to Mexico and South America. All of you have had a hand in destroying this country and as such should, each and every one of you, be brought to trial for treason.

How is it Media Bias? The Tea Party candidates ignore the media, Sarah Palin still doesn’t give real interviews because she’ afraid of the “liberal media” questioning her. lol.

These people don’t even know what they are against, sorry people have other opinions, lol. It’s not media bias it’s REALITY bias XD haha

tws258 said:
Even on the short bus , you are the slow kid Jon. Banned and all comments removed …sad . : (
http://tinyurl.com/3lf72rv

Oh Snap !

Emma said:
Wow! Juan Williams sure is sucking up to and sucking off that FNC teat.

Nah, You’re just not used to someone that’s a ” real ” American speaking his or her own mind. Juan’s opinion was worth a three year, six million dollar contract with ” FOX NETWORKS “, so I’m pretty sure that makes your sucking up and or off analogy a moot, left wing, no it nothing attack on someone just because they speak the truth.

hannity, the little frog, is one of the most irritating, truth-bending, disrespectful human beings. He surrounds himself with his eye candy that nod at him like a dog in the back of a car. He is aggressive, agitating, rude to guests that do not agree with him. His ongoing basic disrespect for Obama is almost beyond the bounds. He portrays the good guy, conservative, he is neither. He is money-hungry, goes to the highest bidder, and will do ANYTHING to make himself look good. People like Juan Williams are too intelligent, too ethical to become a dog-nodding toy in the little frog’s car. I want to hear about the scandal with his pretend Christian concerts he was paid millions for doing, and told by FOX to stop it. He is a carney man. I can’t stand him.

The fact that the left is so rabidly intent on taking down Fox News is proof of media bias. In a world of no media bias, Fox would be just another channel, but in the real world, Fox is perceived as a threat to the liberal media monopoly, and they must be marginalized.

eyemjustsayin said:
hannity, the little frog, is one of the most irritating, truth-bending, disrespectful human beings. He surrounds himself with his eye candy that nod at him like a dog in the back of a car. He is aggressive, agitating, rude to guests that do not agree with him. His ongoing basic disrespect for Obama is almost beyond the bounds. He portrays the good guy, conservative, he is neither. He is money-hungry, goes to the highest bidder, and will do ANYTHING to make himself look good. People like Juan Williams are too intelligent, too ethical to become a dog-nodding toy in the little frog’s car. I want to hear about the scandal with his pretend Christian concerts he was paid millions for doing, and told by FOX to stop it. He is a carney man. I can’t stand him.

Nice try Olbermann, you sissy you.

Josh Feldman said:
Here’s the thing: I would love to see an honest assessment of liberal media bias. If there was a straight news documentary on liberal media bias, I’d watch it. But since Hannity is biased, his reporting of liberal media bias is biased.

Hannity had little or nothing to do with the production of that show — it was all Brent Bozell III and the folks at the Media Research Center.

I got to go and eat some crackers to prevent the vomit that wants to come up about reading Hannity and all those who disagree with him as making a show about people who disagree with him using facts

Hannity doesn’t have it quite right (what else is new?). It’s not that all conservatives are racist or stupid. It’s also not accurate to while about the “liberal” media, seeing as how except for some MSNBC shows, the American right gets very favorable treatment compared to the left.

But since when is Fox and its army of “Foxsucker” viewers conservative. Power-hungry, angry, frustrated control freaks? Absolutely. But conservative? Tell me ONE thing they are trying to conserve. Medicare? The environment? Civil rights? What?

It is the Fox commentators and the Foxsuckers that are racist and stupid, not conservatives. True conservatives that actually take Fox “News” seriously are scarcer than elephants in Antarctica.

gottosay said:
I got to go and eat some crackers to prevent the vomit that wants to come up about reading Hannity and all those who disagree with him as making a show about people who disagree with him using facts

your dog’s name is crackers.

Sean Hannity should look in the mirror, point his finger and think.
If you watch enough politics and it takes considerable time, you will find there are two factions, one faction is the manipulator and the others are the manipulated.
Let’s start with manipulators, they are Super Rich, they indirectly choose the topic, (no, not the person doing the interviewing, he is just working for a living.), the real culprits may be back as far as a few different companies. Their influence requires others to work towards a final goal. Their motives of fear, greed and blame, depending on which objective they wish to accomplish at the moment. The manipulated just go with whichever way the wind blows, they are usually very sincere and sometimes naive. Those interviewed usually only get to addresses the agenda for which they were interviewed. Many times there is a hidden agenda within the visible agenda which is not totally presented to the person being interviewed. I hope all this makes sense it will help you understand what,” reading between the lines really means”.
Take for instance when the profiteers scammed the housing market, the securities market, the stock Market, the holding companies, and the Banks; Obama bailed them out to stop a quick dive into a Depression.
This caused our National Debt to skyrocket. This was a great opportunity for the manipulators to cause hype over the National Debt, then look for someone to blame it on. They chose Seniors; the people who gave their entire life through numerous wars, thirty years or so of hard labor while, at the same time raising families of children to fill their shoes when they are gone. After all this they want to cut their medical care and Social Security to cover the Debt they created scamming every market possible for huge profits.
We should all understand, years ago when a person was a millionaire, they were rich people. Not so anymore, recently someone offered $ 50 billion to buy out Face Book. I guess from this observation most agree the next step up is a trillionaire. All of America will end up in poverty trying to create the next trillion dollar person.
We need fair play legislation before America is at war with America.
There are two types of education, book learning and common sense.
One without the other is like putting a new suit on a bum. He’s still a bum.

uggugg said:
They chose Seniors; the people who gave their entire life through numerous wars, thirty years or so of hard labor while, at the same time raising families of children to fill their shoes when they are gone. After all this they want to cut their medical care and Social Security to cover the Debt they created scamming every market possible for huge profits.

the cuts would affect people 55 and under. those are the kids of the people you are trying to scare, you dumbass.

winning said:
The fact that the left is so rabidly intent on taking down Fox News is proof of media bias. In a world of no media bias, Fox would be just another channel, but in the real world, Fox is perceived as a threat to the liberal media monopoly, and they must be marginalized.

Threat, no…, pretending that their opinions are “News” is irritating as hell, but irritating does not equal threat.

uggugg said:
Sean Hannity should look in the mirror, point his finger and think.
If you watch enough politics and it takes considerable time, you will find there are two factions, one faction is the manipulator and the others are the manipulated.
Let’s start with manipulators, they are Super Rich, they indirectly choose the topic, (no, not the person doing the interviewing, he is just working for a living.), the real culprits may be back as far as a few different companies. Their influence requires others to work towards a final goal. Their motives of fear, greed and blame, depending on which objective they wish to accomplish at the moment. The manipulated just go with whichever way the wind blows, they are usually very sincere and sometimes naive. Those interviewed usually only get to addresses the agenda for which they were interviewed. Many times there is a hidden agenda within the visible agenda which is not totally presented to the person being interviewed. I hope all this makes sense it will help you understand what,” reading between the lines really means”.
Take for instance when the profiteers scammed the housing market, the securities market, the stock Market, the holding companies, and the Banks; Obama bailed them out to stop a quick dive into a Depression.
This caused our National Debt to skyrocket. This was a great opportunity for the manipulators to cause hype over the National Debt, then look for someone to blame it on. They chose Seniors; the people who gave their entire life through numerous wars, thirty years or so of hard labor while, at the same time raising families of children to fill their shoes when they are gone. After all this they want to cut their medical care and Social Security to cover the Debt they created scamming every market possible for huge profits.
We should all understand, years ago when a person was a millionaire, they were rich people. Not so anymore, recently someone offered $ 50 billion to buy out Face Book. I guess from this observation most agree the next step up is a trillionaire. All of America will end up in poverty trying to create the next trillion dollar person.
We need fair play legislation before America is at war with America.
There are two types of education, book learning and common sense.
One without the other is like putting a new suit on a bum. He’s still a bum.

OK now I’m going to count backwards from 10, then when I clap my hands you will awake refreshed and you will remember nothing of what you’ve just stated. 10…9…8…7…

markcausey said:
Threat, no…, pretending that their opinions are “News” is irritating as hell, but irritating does not equal threat.

If they (fox) are not a “threat” to ABC,NBC,CBS,MSNBC, CNN etal, then why all the vitriol? 1 channel out of 6 and the lead stories everyday on the other 5 are always identical and all 5 routinely (daily) denigrate the other 1 channel, Fox.

So tell me, if the other 5 channels are always correct, always on the side of “the masses” and always watched by more viewers, I ask again, why all the vitriol?

There is no logical reason to respond (especially vehemently) to something that is not a threat is there?

every day that air america was on the air made my vag hurt.

/sarcasm

face it libs are just mad that their opinion people suck and the only ones that can make it are the ones who pretend to be main stream…

The left is so addled that they think because Fox News is called Fox News that it runs “news” 24/7.

For your edification guys – they have news, they have opinion pieces (clearly identified as such) and therefore much like CNN (Cable Network NEWS) (MSNBC – Marxist Socialist Network Broadcasting)

Next you’re going to tell me that “Morning Joe and his dummy” Larry, O Donald I love you”, Tingles and that sweetheart Rhodes Scholar – are news! lol

Now – lets look at some of Fox’s left wing personalities who you will hear daily – Juan, Shepherd, Kirsten, Colmes, Beckel to name ones I can think of at the moment.

Your turn guys – who are the right wing personalities on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC?

The left is never happy just not agreeing with the right – they want to destroy the person! Completely annihilate him/her. Bully tactics is the nicest way I can describe them.

Every one of those programs – and I mean every one ALWAYS reports both sides of an issue. Obviously Hannity is right – but he’s not afraid to allow a lefty to speak.

seek said:
The left is never happy just not agreeing with the right – they want to destroy the person! Completely annihilate him/her. Bully tactics is the nicest way I can describe them.

It’s because they have undeveloped minds just like children, that’s all they are, children. When kids are told something they don’t agree with, they respond in EXACTLY the same way democrats/libs/progs/marxists do. It’s uncanny and hilarious to watch.

Our “liberally biased” media are owned almost entirely by conservatives. We have a conservative-owned CORPORATE media, by and large.

Liberal/progressive voices like Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes and Stephanie Miller constitute a fraction of the media sources available on radio, for example, while Limbaugh, Savage, Beck – and Hannity – along with at least a dozen other conservatives have cornered perhaps 90% of the market.

Cons can keep trying to prop up their liberal media “straw man,” but their own ratings knock it down. Hannity, Fakes “News” and those of their ilk use an old neocon trick; deflect criticism of their own biased “journalism” by claiming bias in others.

Unlike the cons, Hartmann and most lib/progressive hosts make no attempt to hide their beliefs and opinions. The author of more than 20 books on a variety of topics, Hartmann almost invariably cites fact-based sources for his opinions and conclusions – rather than using the worn-out Fox “some say” dodge – “Some say Donald Trump has a dead ferret on his head,” for example.

Also, Hartmann hosts conservatives on almost every show. He hosts Sen. Bernie Sanders every Friday, schedule permitting. Anyone and everyone is invited to ask Sanders any question they want – a refreshing change from the censorious confines of conservative media.

Hartmann hosted Andrew Blightbart last Friday. Breitbart denied personal involvement in the distorted presentation of the notorious Shirley Sherrod tape and implied that Glenn Beck did it – a remarkable claim, to say the least.

Limbaugh uses a long tape delay to “dump” liberal callers who somehow get past his call screener; Hartmann gives conservative or opposing callers preferred treatment, taking their calls first.

Randi Rhodes assigns “homework” to her listeners and repeatedly tells them not to simply take her word as Gospel but to educate themselves. Miller’s show is more comedy-oriented. One of her more amusing segments is ‘Right Wing World,” in which she plays clips of cons saying foolish, dishonest, racist or just plain “stoopid” things. She does not appear to lack for material.

No one is “rabidly intent” on taking down Fox. It’s their dishonesty, distortions and mischaracterizations – under the guise of “news” – that any rational person should find offensive. The “bias” at ABC/NBC/CBS is more a matter of their failure to present all aspects of a story. It’s more so an editorial bias toward lassitude or seeking to please their conservative corporate owners by, for example, downplaying embarrassing aspects of a given story.

While Fox is equally guilty of this, they go beyond it by pushing Rupert Moredreck’s neocon “company line.”

Shepard Smith is praised for occasionally telling the actual TRUTH of a story. Why don’t we question why this isn’t pro forma?

Media Matters isn’t trying to “take down” Fox, either. They point out the dishonesty, distortions and mischaracterizations that exist in many Fox “news’ stories. They provide source links that direct the reader to the factual bases for MM’s observations. I have requested proof of MM errors almost three-dozen times and have yet to receive a plausible response.

If Fox and other conservative media were more honest, Media Matters wouldn’t be needed. Alas, we seem to need them now more than ever.

jrcmi said:
Our “liberally biased” media are owned almost entirely by conservatives. We have a conservative-owned CORPORATE media, by and large.

ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,MSNBC, and sayyyy The New York Times…Would you please list the “conservative” owners of these organizations?

timzank said:
If they (fox) are not a “threat” to ABC,NBC,CBS,MSNBC, CNN etal, then why all the vitriol? 1 channel out of 6 and the lead stories everyday on the other 5 are always identical and all 5 routinely (daily) denigrate the other 1 channel, Fox.

So tell me, if the other 5 channels are always correct, always on the side of “the masses” and always watched by more viewers, I ask again, why all the vitriol?

There is no logical reason to respond (especially vehemently) to something that is not a threat is there?

Well thought, and well said.
Excellent post.

seek said:
MSNBC – Marxist Socialist Network Broadcasting

Nice quip that bears truth although I would change the word Broadcasting in your anagram to Blasting.

jdubbellu said:
the cuts would affect people 55 and under. those are the kids of the people you are trying to scare, you dumbass.

Congratulations you played right into the divide and conquer playbook. ‘They are only going to cut medicare for those under 55, why should I care?’ Then 5-10 years later they will take the position of why should the 65+ crowd get all the breaks, and they will go for their medicare. It’s is DIVIDE and CONQUER! Just look at the union stripping legislation going through in several states, they are pitting the private sector worker against the public sector worker, because the private sector union was broken years ago.

timzank said:
ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,MSNBC, and sayyyy The New York Times…Would you please list the “conservative” owners of these organizations?

They are corporations, duuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Since when are corporations liberal, when has a for profit corporation’s CEO ever said ‘please raise my taxes, because I want high speed rail or our schools suck.’ Use your head and turn off fox for a week.

timzank said:
ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,MSNBC, and sayyyy The New York Times…Would you please list the “conservative” owners of these organizations?

BTW a 5 second Google search yields http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php. NBC & MSNBC is owned largely by the liberal corporation of General Electric, that famously paid NO taxes on 14 billion dollars in profit, plus 3 billion in tax credit, and gave over a $1 million to GWB’s 2000 election. So please enlighten me on the so called liberal bias.

jrcmi said:
Hartmann hosted Andrew Blightbart last Friday. Breitbart denied personal involvement in the distorted presentation of the notorious Shirley Sherrod tape and implied that Glenn Beck did it – a remarkable claim, to say the least.

Is there any chance I can listen to this? Link perhaps?

What’s this world coming to when you can’t even put forth the facts that conservatives are racist and stupid, geesh?

If the media is so liberal then why did they wait over a week to say anything about what happened in Minnesota? Why aren’t they talking about a governor who wants elected officials to fire all the elected leaders in a town and run the town their way? Face it, the media belongs to the highest bidder with the most money!

Think about it, “Fox” talking about” bias!!! This won’t be accepted by anyone but the the stupid racists, so it’s funny!

joeshmoe said:
They are corporations, duuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Since when are corporations liberal, when has a for profit corporation’s CEO ever said ‘please raise my taxes, because I want high speed rail or our schools suck.’ Use your head and turn off fox for a week.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/ge-employee-olbermann-insists-corporations-are-inherently-conservative

Shouldn’t you be making another crappy video for Tommy Christopher to write an article about, Bathtub Boy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMkD8LEKs00

tws258 said:
If your booster seat has a steering wheel , it doesn’t mean you are driving the short bus . just sayin’

I know the other kids make fun of you for being both unfunny and a little slow. But once that place in the halfway house opens up, you’ll be surrounded by your own kind. It’ll get better then.

SeanW said:
Of course there is a bias in the media. Obama was sold to us by the used car salesmen at MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN. YOU all gave him and his cronies a pass, none of you have called him on the simple fact that every single campaign promise and pledge has been thrown out the window. George Bush Sr. wins a war, is in office when the Soviet Union dissolves, and YOU sorry scumsucking bastards do nothing but play over and over again “REad my lips, no new taxes.” You ran him out of office for your scumbag drug addicted immoral douche Clinton, then you trumpet Clinton and his NAFTA bullsh** which has done nothing but funnel millions of jobs and billions of dollars from the United States to Mexico and South America. All of you have had a hand in destroying this country and as such should, each and every one of you, be brought to trial for treason.

In other words, “You kids get off my lawn!”

Calvin said:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/ge-employee-olbermann-insists-corporations-are-inherently-conservative

Shouldn’t you be making another crappy video for Tommy Christopher to write an article about, Bathtub Boy?

So what?? They lobby for their own self interest, there is money to be made in alternative energies, stem cell subsidies, and the stimulus, these are all left of center initiatives, but they are all government spending on which they can make money. The train making companies are probably lobbying for hi-speed rail so they can make more trains. After all that article suggests that the corporations are inherently for profit. For which I stand by my statement of Duuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh.

J Baustian said:
Hannity had little or nothing to do with the production of that show — it was all Brent Bozell III and the folks at the Media Research Center.

At least you acknowledge that Hannity is an empty suit and the real intellectual strength of Fox is . . . Brent Bozell?

CLTstraightguy said:
Well thought, and well said.
Excellent post.

Excellent, except for being total fantasy, of course.

Stories across the networks are similar because it’s, ya know, NEWS, as in what happened recently. And the non-Fox stations spend very little time knocking Fox, despite Fox’s continuous drumbeat against “The Mainstream Media” (of which Fox is, of course, a part).

CLTstraightguy says:

seek said:

MSNBC – Marxist Socialist Network Broadcasting

Nice quip that bears truth although I would change the word Broadcasting in your anagram to Blasting

CLTstraightguy said:
Nice quip that bears truth although I would change the word Broadcasting in your anagram to Blasting.

Right . . . but only if “Marxist,” “Socialist,” and “Blasting” literally meant “stuff I don’t understand.”

mediadoubt said:
CLTstraightguy says:

seek said:

MSNBC – Marxist Socialist Network Broadcasting

Nice quip that bears truth although I would change the word Broadcasting in your anagram to Blasting

Right . . . but only if “Marxist,” “Socialist,” and “Blasting” literally meant “stuff I don’t understand.”

Media, is there ANY truth to the rumor that Hannity works for the Fascist, Oligarchic Xenophobia Nutcases?

joeshmoe said:
So what?? They lobby for their own self interest, there is money to be made in alternative energies, stem cell subsidies, and the stimulus, these are all left of center initiatives, but they are all government spending on which they can make money.

So do you care that GE is in bed with the Obama administration? Or do you let it slide since it’s Obama?

joeshmoe said:
The train making companies are probably lobbying for hi-speed rail so they can make more trains. After all that article suggests that the corporations are inherently for profit. For which I stand by my statement of Duuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh.

You’re right, no liberal would ever want to make a profit.

But seriously, you do know that when a government becomes big and complex, there’s more incentive for corporations to get involved with that government? Conservatives don’t want corporations running things, despite what you may think.

Joseph Glackin said:
Media, is there ANY truth to the rumor that Hannity works for the Fascist, Oligarchic Xenophobia Nutcases?

I was thinking more like “Falangist Oppressor Xenuian Nasties,” but I was deeply impressed by “Yellow Submarine” when it first came out, and the effects have lingered for decades.

eyemjustsayin said:
hannity, the little frog, is one of the most irritating, truth-bending, disrespectful human beings. He surrounds himself with his eye candy that nod at him like a dog in the back of a car. He is aggressive, agitating, rude to guests that do not agree with him. His ongoing basic disrespect for Obama is almost beyond the bounds. He portrays the good guy, conservative, he is neither. He is money-hungry, goes to the highest bidder, and will do ANYTHING to make himself look good. People like Juan Williams are too intelligent, too ethical to become a dog-nodding toy in the little frog’s car. I want to hear about the scandal with his pretend Christian concerts he was paid millions for doing, and told by FOX to stop it. He is a carney man. I can’t stand him.

You can’t stand him – he’s rude?
Hmmmmm

“He is money-hungry, goes to the highest bidder, and will do ANYTHING to make himself look good.”

What does this mean? Sorry, too stupid to understand. Please explain.

You realize that Juan was on Sean’s show and was close to tears and said “you were the first one to reach out to me Sean, you saw me in the hall and stopped and asked what was wrong and the kindness you showed me, I’ll never forget? – are you referring to that Sean and that Juan? Just wondering.

Or, are you referring to the Hannity who has done many many shows raising money for the children of servicemen – scholarship money – millions and millions of dollars. (Oh, before you go off on Debbie’s tangent – that was a phony story and Debbie was shown to be a liar (that’s neither here nor there though because I’m sureChris and Rachel et al do the same, I just have missed hearing about it) – You realize Sean wasn’t paid a penny, but you like your story better – doesn’t much matter that it was false from beginning to end. Oh, by the way it wasn’t “Christian” – it was “Military”.

Sorry eye – I know you have trouble finding reliable sources of information so:

http://www.cnsnews.com/node/63176

mediadoubt said:
I was thinking more like “Falangist Oppressor Xenuian Nasties,” but I was deeply impressed by “Yellow Submarine” when it first came out, and the effects have lingered for decades.

Do you walk to work, or bring your lunch?

seek said:
You can’t stand him – he’s rude?
Hmmmmm

“He is money-hungry, goes to the highest bidder, and will do ANYTHING to make himself look good.”

What does this mean? Sorry, too stupid to understand. Please explain.

You realize that Juan was on Sean’s show and was close to tears and said “you were the first one to reach out to me Sean, you saw me in the hall and stopped and asked what was wrong and the kindness you showed me, I’ll never forget? – are you referring to that Sean and that Juan? Just wondering.

Or, are you referring to the Hannity who has done many many shows raising money for the children of servicemen – scholarship money – millions and millions of dollars. (Oh, before you go off on Debbie’s tangent – that was a phony story and Debbie was shown to be a liar (that’s neither here nor there though because I’m sureChris and Rachel et al do the same, I just have missed hearing about it) – You realize Sean wasn’t paid a penny, but you like your story better – doesn’t much matter that it was false from beginning to end. Oh, by the way it wasn’t “Christian” – it was “Military”.

Nervous that someone might bring up “Freedom Alliance”, the G-5′s, the 4% or 7% of ACTUAL charity, the fleets of Navigators and Escalades?
Is that what you are trying to say was a “phony story”?
Why don’t you bring in his partner in the deal, Ollie North, and have him testify?

markcausey said:
Threat, no…, pretending that their opinions are “News” is irritating as hell, but irritating does not equal threat.

Sorry your remote broke. When I’ve had my fill of the “news” on the far left majors – I turn the channel. In fact, I don’t know if those channels are programmed in my remote any longer. It’s really quite easy to do – and imagine the aggravation you’d save yourself. If you don’t know how to do it – call me, I’ll talk you through it. lol

Joseph Glackin said:
Nervous that someone might bring up “Freedom Alliance”, the G-5’s, the 4% or 7% of ACTUAL charity, the fleets of Navigators and Escalades?
Is that what you are trying to say was a “phony story”?
Why don’t you bring in his partner in the deal, Ollie North, and have him testify?

Want to run your version of the story through “fact check” or are you o.k. with spreading liable.

I brought up “Freedom Alliance” and also posted the site that showed that Debbie Schlussel had made up that entire story and the wonderful truth seeking left wing ran with it – until they realized that she is a nut case and was just very unhappy that Hannity dumped her and didn’t allow her on his radio program. Of course the left wing media – being so honest (it took ABC how many years to issue a written apology?) never issued a retraction, they just let the story die. Meanwhile Fox covered it and showed that it was a complete fabrication. Good thing you’re a deep thinker! lol

seek said:
Want to run your version of the story through “fact check” or are you o.k. with spreading liable.

I brought up “Freedom Alliance” and also posted the site that showed that Debbie Schlussel had made up that entire story and the wonderful truth seeking left wing ran with it – until they realized that she is a nut case and was just very unhappy that Hannity dumped her and didn’t allow her on his radio program. Of course the left wing media – being so honest (it took ABC how many years to issue a written apology?) never issued a retraction, they just let the story die. Meanwhile Fox covered it and showed that it was a complete fabrication. Good thing you’re a deep thinker! lol

Are you trying to use the “rebuttal” written by FrumForum and that Canadian hatchetman from W’s regime? Yeah I read it. It was about as believable as the “Mission Accomplished” speech.

lol — I know it’s easier to believe your version. The truth blows a hole the size of your hat through your story. Imagine having to walk around with a big hole in your head? Better to stuff it with lies – at least it keeps the wind out.

seek said:
lol — I know it’s easier to believe your version. The truth blows a hole the size of your hat through your story. Imagine having to walk around with a big hole in your head? Better to stuff it with lies – at least it keeps the wind out.

I read the tax returns. Not the gloss-over sheet Frum wrote.

Didn’t read Frum (his Mother was a whack job – I would imagine he is also) – I watched, read, and went looking for the truth. Try it – you might like it.

seek said:
The left is never happy just not agreeing with the right – they want to destroy the person! Completely annihilate him/her. Bully tactics is the nicest way I can describe them.

Stalinist bullies and Hitlerian eliminationists.

timzank said:
It’s because the leftists have undeveloped minds just like children, that’s all they are, children. When kids are told something they don’t agree with, they respond in EXACTLY the same way democrats/libs/progs/marxists do. It’s uncanny and hilarious to watch.

As well as having completely one-sided autistic solipsistic mindsets dominated by a giant ego & ZERO intellect. Just repeating what their public high school union-member teacher indoctrinated them to say.

Look a letter from “Freedom Alliance”!

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/19/in-defense-of-the-freedom-alliance-and-sean-hannity/

(before you give yourself a wedgie) – A letter from Freedom Alliance, addressing all your concerns, plus the expose of Darling Debbie – for you to peruse.

timcajun said:
Think about it, “Fox” talking about” bias!!! This won’t be accepted by anyone but the the stupid racists, so it’s funny!

It’s hilarious. Every news organization is bias except Fox. All you have to do is listen to Hannity one night and you’ll see who’s bias.

eyemjustsayin said:
hannity, the little frog, is one of the most irritating, truth-bending, disrespectful human beings. He surrounds himself with his eye candy that nod at him like a dog in the back of a car. He is aggressive, agitating, rude to guests that do not agree with him. His ongoing basic disrespect for Obama is almost beyond the bounds. He portrays the good guy, conservative, he is neither. He is money-hungry, goes to the highest bidder, and will do ANYTHING to make himself look good. People like Juan Williams are too intelligent, too ethical to become a dog-nodding toy in the little frog’s car. I want to hear about the scandal with his pretend Christian concerts he was paid millions for doing, and told by FOX to stop it. He is a carney man. I can’t stand him.

man, you hit the nail right on the head.

Skippy said:
The Fox channel is NOT news. It is GOP propaganda. End of story.

Amen.

The stupidist thing that I have heard yet is that Fox has such a big audience must mean they are for real..You know what, the WWE has the biggest audience too and the people that watch it think they are for real also. Both have good entertainers. That’s all.

Calvin said:
You’re right, no liberal would ever want to make a profit.

It’s not about making a profit or not, its about not exploiting the system at the expense of others. Fox news and the Republican party go hand in hand, it’s not clear who leads who, but I find it disturbing to find the media, so in bed with government.

Calvin said:
So do you care that GE is in bed with the Obama administration? Or do you let it slide since it’s Obama?

No, it’s not OK, but the Republican party is run by a bunch of loony tunes right now, so I have to pick the lesser of two evils. Even though you accuse Obama of being in bed with GE, most conservatives accuse Obama of being anti-business, and if you hate him no matter what he does, it de-legitimatizes your criticisms of him. There is a lot of criticism of Obama on the left, but it generally feels more legitimate, than the generic democratic smears that he is unpatriotic, anti-business, communist, or socialist.

seek said:
Look a letter from “Freedom Alliance”!

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/19/in-defense-of-the-freedom-alliance-and-sean-hannity/

(before you give yourself a wedgie) – A letter from Freedom Alliance, addressing all your concerns, plus the expose of Darling Debbie – for you to peruse.

Funny, “Darling Debbie” is not the only source of reports on the defalcation of the “Freedom Alliance”.
However, all the defenders crawl out of the same snake pit on 6th Ave., and keep trying to make the story, “A woman scorned.”

glenn113 said:
Amen.

Wow. You really dug deep to pat ol “skippy” on the back ay, skip?

Wowzers. MSNBC spends hour after hour talking about bias at Fox. When Fox does it for an hour the liberals & progressives go ape sh*t here on Mediate. So, you guys think it is funny when Fox spends an hour on liberal bias in the media but consider it is legitimate news for the other cable news networks to talk about Fox News hours after hour every day. Study up on ‘irony’ folks cause you neck deep in it.

Joseph Glackin said:
Funny, “Darling Debbie” is not the only source of reports on the defalcation of the “Freedom Alliance”.
However, all the defenders crawl out of the same snake pit on 6th Ave., and keep trying to make the story, “A woman scorned.”

- you’re right – the others were quoting Debbie! lol
you know how it works right?

You should do a little search and then maybe you will “connect-the-dots” – same source all –
“Debbie doesn’t get to chat with Hannity”

After that little escapade, perhaps you’d like to have a gander as to what the blogging world’s opinion is of Debbie. They show you the facts, you make up your own “biased” mind. lol

joeshmoe said:
timzank said:
ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,MSNBC, and sayyyy The New York Times…Would you please list the “conservative” owners of these organizations?

BTW a 5 second Google search yields http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php. NBC & MSNBC is owned largely by the liberal corporation of General Electric, that famously paid NO taxes on 14 billion dollars in profit, plus 3 billion in tax credit, and gave over a $1 million to GWB’s 2000 election. So please enlighten me on the so called liberal bias.

Tnx for the “assist,” joe.

Not only is NBC/MSNBC partly owned by GE, the majority owner is Comcast – one of the most conservative (as well as kinda huge) corporations in the country. They are in the process of choking off “net neutrality,” so we may not be able to discuss this matter much longer.

So much for “free speech.”

As requested, Fri. 4/22 Thom Hartmann show podcast :

http://www.ktlkam1150.com/cc-common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=Hartmann&selected_podcast=Thom042211_1303508986_26390.mp3

http://www.ktlkam1150.com/cc-common/podcast.html

Um…no.

First, of course, Hannity relies on an increasingly favorite tactic of intellectually dishonest people like, well, him, Breitbart, Palin, etc: he did not deny that conservatives are stupid and racist. He merely selected a couple of high-profile incidents involving liberals to say “so are liberals.” So all he did was equate what liberals do and say to what conservatives do or say. In other words, he argued that people like Sean Hannity are no better than people like Joe Biden. And given what Hannity says about Joe Biden, well, that’s a pretty stupid argument.

But getting to the actual substance of some of Hannity’s examples – Trent Lott’s statement was that had a segregationist been elected President we’d all be better off. Biden did not endorse segregation. You could debate what he did say for hours, but he did not endorse segregation. Trent Lott did. And that’s racist (as was Lott’s tactic of taking Ronald Reagan to Philadelphia MS to celebrate the lynching of three civil rights activists).

Let’s instead compare apples to apples: Robert Byrd and Strom Thurmod, both segregationists. Robert Byrd spent the rest of his life apologizing for his membership in the KKK, and said it was a burden on his conscience he would carry to his grave. Strom Thurmond never apologized. Instead, he said he was standing up for state’s rights. So perhaps it would be more accurate to say that modern “conservatives” (and really, modern republicans are not conservative by any stretch of the imagination) are recalcitrant, defiant, and self-righteous racists, while some liberals have struggled to put the stigma of racism behind them.

As for stupidity – the idea that liberalism and conservatism are somehow indicators of intelligence is, well, stupid. Calling a community center in lower Manhattan a “ground zero mosque” is stupid. Thinking that the state of Hawaii, Congress, and Kenya are all part of a decades long scheme to put a black man in the White House for…what reason again? is both racist and stupid. Thinking that a 700 billion dollar effort to reform our country’s broken health care system over a period of 10 years is a waste of money, but that 2 trillion dollars spent in Iraq and Afghanistan over 10 years for no tangible gains is a good investment, is stupid. Calling yourself a constitutional scholar and thinking that states are supposed to be supreme over the federal government, when both the federalist papers and the Constitution explicitly state that the federal government shall be supreme over the states, is stupid.

As for bias – I haven’t heard the media mention Strom Thurmond or Dan Quayle in a long time. I don’t know why Hannity keeps trying to focus media attention on an old racist and an idiot. He must be biased.

@Frances Martel – Mediaite Staff

Did you have a problem uploading the unedited version of the Hannity Special that actually showed THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CASES of media left-wing bias?

Personally I think you could do better than this; though I’m made to believe you either deliberately uploaded these edited parts of the Program, or just didn’t have the time to upload the full version as other websites have done.

http://www.therightscoop.com/hannity-msm-expose-behind-the-bias/

Goodluck Mediaite!

Ivan in Phoenix said:
Wowzers. MSNBC spends hour after hour talking about bias at Fox. When Fox does it for an hour the liberals & progressives go ape sh*t here on Mediate. So, you guys think it is funny when Fox spends an hour on liberal bias in the media but consider it is legitimate news for the other cable news networks to talk about Fox News hours after hour every day. Study up on ‘irony’ folks cause you neck deep in it.

Well it would be ironic, wouldn’t it — if the other networks actually spent “hour after hour every day” talking about Fox. Since they don’t, your post is a pointless lie.

black and WHITE said:
Do you walk to work, or bring your lunch?

You know, if your insults are so completely dissociated from the subject that they’re literally unintelligible, they kinda lose their sting.

You’re right mediadoubt – they don’t spend “hour after hour” talking about Fox. They spend hour after hour talking about Fox and Fox personalities.

I’m sure Ivan extends his apology for getting that wrong!

mediadoubt said:
Well it would be ironic, wouldn’t it — if the other networks actually spent “hour after hour every day” talking about Fox. Since they don’t, your post is a pointless lie.

you must not watch MSNBC then.

seek said:
You’re right mediadoubt – they don’t spend “hour after hour” talking about Fox. They spend hour after hour talking about Fox and Fox personalities.

I’m sure Ivan extends his apology for getting that wrong!

Shockingly, another lie. They don’t spend hours every day, day after day, talking about Fox and Fox personalities.

Ya know it’s quite peculiar that you feel a need to aggrandize Fox by portraying them as the victim of mean girls in the media. I’m not a psychologist, so I really don’t know what it implies, but it’s . . . peculiar.

cjd ohio 1 said:
you must not watch MSNBC then.

I watch a fair amount. How about you?

mediadoubt said:
I watch a fair amount. How about you?

just about every day…….after 5pm….it about fox or birthers

mediadoubt said:
Well it would be ironic, wouldn’t it — if the other networks actually spent “hour after hour every day” talking about Fox. Since they don’t, your post is a pointless lie.

Dissecting each & every statement of each & every ” FOX NEWS ” on air personality has become a cottage industry of sorts to the MSM.

Everyone from the morning shows on all the networks, through the day ending with Stewart, Colbert, Lopez and Maher late into the night are in on it.

The only reason why some of these crapfest shows like Hard Ball, Maddow and the Two serial killers on MSNBC are even still in existence is so that what’s left of the die hard Obama supporters can watch ” FOX NEWS ” programming 24/7 without the, or at least with somewhat less guilt.

YOUR POST IS THE POINTLESS LIE, not the other way around. Sheesh , some libs, especially the ones who truly believe they’ve got it all figured out…….NOT, are just so damn stuborn….they’ll just never, ever get it.

mediadoubt said:
You know, if your insults are so completely dissociated from the subject that they’re literally unintelligible, they kinda lose their sting.

TEST

So do you walk to work or bring your lunch. Why are you avoiding answering such a simple request. What are you so embarrassed about that you refuse to answer?

THIS CONCLUDES MY TEST

mediadoubt said:
Shockingly, another lie. They don’t spend hours every day, day after day, talking about Fox and Fox personalities.

No you are right. Late at night they show infomercials.

mediadoubt said:
Ya know it’s quite peculiar that you feel a need to aggrandize Fox by portraying them as the victim of mean girls in the media. I’m not a psychologist, so I really don’t know what it implies, but it’s . . . peculiar.

And if somebody knows peculiar…….

mediadoubt said:
I watch a fair amount. How about you?

When you aren’t out trolling the local elementary school for your next “date”?

black and WHITE said:
Dissecting each & every statement of each & every ” FOX NEWS ” on air personality has become a cottage industry of sorts to the MSM. Everyone from the morning shows on all the networks, through the day ending with Stewart, Colbert, Lopez and Maher late into the night are in on it. The only reason why some of these crapfest shows like Hard Ball, Maddow and the Two serial killers on MSNBC are even still in existence is so that what’s left of the die hard Obama supporters can watch ” FOX NEWS ” programming 24/7 without the, or at least with somewhat less guilt. YOUR POST IS THE POINTLESS LIE, not the other way around. Sheesh , some libs, especially the ones who truly believe they’ve got it all figured out…….NOT, are just so damn stuborn….they’ll just never, ever get it.

One need only peep the links here at MediaCrap to see the validity of your contentions.

cjd ohio 1 said:
just about every day…….after 5pm….it about fox or birthers

Or equating everyone ON or who WATCHES with them.

seek said:
You’re right mediadoubt – they don’t spend “hour after hour” talking about Fox. They spend hour after hour talking about Fox and Fox personalities.

I’m sure Ivan extends his apology for getting that wrong!

Prove it! Post a list of one week’s broadcasting from MSNBC, and show the percentage of hours they spent talking about the “F”alacious “O”ligarchic “X”enophibic Network and/or it’s minions.

I don’t have to “prove” anything to you Joseph. If you don’t believe me – you prove that I was dishonest. That’s how it works sweet stuff.

Do you have any idea what would happen to me if I watched one week’s broadcasting from MSNBC? I’d have completely lost my mind – ready for the loony bin!!!! (now I understand what has happened to you).

seek said:
I don’t have to “prove” anything to you Joseph. If you don’t believe me – you prove that I was dishonest. That’s how it works sweet stuff.

Do you have any idea what would happen to me if I watched one week’s broadcasting from MSNBC? I’d have completely lost my mind – ready for the loony bin!!!! (now I understand what has happened to you).

“When you make a claim you cannot back up, you are a liar.”
That is what I’ve been called on these pages.
That is what I am calling you.

Oh my God Joseph! How am I ever going to live with myself since you’ve called me a liar?
Honestly, I nearly fainted when I read your response.

Oh well, I’ll just pick myself up, dust myself off and start all over again! lol

seek said:
Oh my God Joseph! How am I ever going to live with myself since you’ve called me a liar?
Honestly, I nearly fainted when I read your response.

Oh well, I’ll just pick myself up, dust myself off and start all over again! lol

Fine. I’ll just keep asking on other threads.
Annoying, isn’t it? Sauce for the goose, and all that.

reading these responses to the columns, one notes a trend, if an ad hominen attack occurs, its left to right….when you have no objective facts, attack the messenger. No objective facts leaves one with out a base from which you can recognize an objective truth… Mr. Klugman’s ‘reporting’ on the Giffords shooting and the concurrent massacre are classic examples of no objective facts=no objective truth=biased reporting. its a straight line computation.

tidalpool said:
reading these responses to the columns, one notes a trend, if an ad hominen attack occurs, its left to right….when you have no objective facts, attack the messenger. No objective facts leaves one with out a base from which you can recognize an objective truth… Mr. Klugman’s ‘reporting’ on the Giffords shooting and the concurrent massacre are classic examples of no objective facts=no objective truth=biased reporting. its a straight line computation.

I don’t think you’ve been plotting those trends very precisely. For one thing, Mediaite attracts righties much more than lefties. Sheer weight of numbers would cast doubts on your assertion. Not to mention that the level of fact here (left and right) isn’t especially high.

This is an opinion blog, supposedly driven by the initiating media clip. Where things fall apart, is when people diverge from opinion to shouting their unassailable facts (which are usually imminently assailable and of dubious factuality).

My opinion? The right-on-left attacks on Mediaite are more numerous, more vitriolic, and more foolish than left-on-right. That’s my experience and until I see a reversal of the trends, I’m sticking to it.

lol reality never enters into your world mediadoubt. Especially the “vitriolic” – and more foolish than left-on-right. – yes your words are a sign of a “deep thinker”. lol

How’s the application at MSNBC coming along? Sending copies of your posts????? lol

seek said:
lol reality never enters into your world mediadoubt. Especially the “vitriolic” – and more foolish than left-on-right. – yes your words are a sign of a “deep thinker”. lol

How’s the application at MSNBC coming along? Sending copies of your posts????? lol

If you have stats to contradict my anecdotal assessment, trot ‘em out.

And no, I don’t want to move to NYC to work for MSNBC. I’m hoping Mediaite will hire me so I can continue posting in my bunny slippers.

If you didn’t watch it, you really missed big time!
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Not only is NBC/MSNBC partly owned by GE, the majority owner is Comcast – one of the most conservative (as well as kinda huge) corporations in the country. They are in the process of choking off “net neutrality,” so we may not be able to discuss this matter much longer.

So much for “free speech.”

8 “thumbs down” for FREE SPEECH?

What are you people, Commies?

mediadoubt said:
If you have stats to contradict my anecdotal assessment, trot ‘em out.

And no, I don’t want to move to NYC to work for MSNBC. I’m hoping Mediaite will hire me so I can continue posting in my bunny slippers.

Open a widow Goober, the stench is affecting your already questionable judgement.

seek said:
lol reality never enters into your world mediadoubt. Especially the “vitriolic” – and more foolish than left-on-right. – yes your words are a sign of a “deep thinker”. lol

How’s the application at MSNBC coming along? Sending copies of your posts????? lol

I consider mediadoubt more a ” deep stinker “. sad, so very, very sad.

FOX News is so comically hypocritical. Hannity is a two bit, barely literate talk radio host whose stock and trade is producing biased crap for his even stupider audience. His “journalism” is on the level of Michelle Malkin or Brent Bozell

David Mangan said:
Stalinist bullies and Hitlerian eliminationists.

As well as having completely one-sided autistic solipsistic mindsets dominated by a giant ego & ZERO intellect. Just repeating what their public high school union-member teacher indoctrinated them to say.

Sorry, but your low class ignorant garbage is typical for morons who are too dense to see their own hypocrisy. If you have to reduce everyone you disagree with to Nazis or Commies who are out to get you, then you sound like one of those Nazis and Commies with your paranoia and hypocrisy.

Hi I am the typical right winger. I have very little education but a nice job, I was a big man on campue

seek said:
lol reality never enters into your world mediadoubt. Especially the “vitriolic” – and more foolish than left-on-right. – yes your words are a sign of a “deep thinker”. lol

How’s the application at MSNBC coming along? Sending copies of your posts????? lol

Talk about people who are not only not deep thinkers, but don’t think at all, your knee jerk juvenile posts says it all

“If you don’t believe me – you prove that I was dishonest” –Is that like, I couldn’t say this on television if it weren’t true?

Jakester stated:

Hi I am the typical right winger. I have very little education but a nice job, I was a big man on campue

I’m sorry about your lack of education Jake. It’s never too late to go back!

timzank said:
ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,MSNBC, and sayyyy The New York Times…Would you please list the “conservative” owners of these organizations?

Still Waiting… ?

Tedderman said:
What’s this world coming to when you can’t even put forth the facts that conservatives are racist and stupid, geesh?

What’s this World coming too when Morons like yourself and your libby cronies gripe about the other side of the news and use words like, hater, or racist as power words to get what you want, or to try and silence or get rid of opposition to your view points or life styles?

You better check your facts, cause you just fell off the wagon and are mulling in horse manure.

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Is there bias in the media? YES. Is it all liberal vs. conservative? NO. This is Fox’s marketing ploy. And it has worked well. Sometimes it just happens that “newsworthy” events are things that look liberal or conservative. 

That said, I do appreciate the attempt to explore political media bias here, but it’s a bit of a joke. The documentary is not looking at conservative biases. It’s only st looking at liberal biases. Are we to presume that there are no conservative biases in the American media? Give me a break. That would put conservatives in the position the documentary argues liberals are in–a kind of a “holier than thou” kind of place.

It’s furthermore difficult for me to take seriously the guy who says that the New York Times has moved to the “radical left”. Is there no perspective left on things in the US? What was the center a few decades ago is now considered the “left” by many. Does the NY Times have a left of center bias? Maybe–we can clearly debate that. Is it “radical left”? Well, when was the last time you read an article in the times arguing for state control of industry? Geeezzzzzzz . . .