Fair point Carville, fair point

I think people are very anxious, they want to hear what the President has to say. I think he’s going to have a lot of eyes glued to the television set tomorrow night.

James, the people know by now that he will say what he thinks we want to hear.

“if this president seizes this initiative…that’s going to be a big part of his legacy.”

I think you are dreaming, buddy. He’s screwed up badly on this one, I don’t think their is anyway for him to come out the “winner”. Not saying the spill was his fault, but the response was awful, according to alot of those on the left. Him riding in 2 months later isn’t going to change public opinion.

Mr Caville should make up his mind up. You want Capitalism when things are going well, but when things are going south you want Big Government to clean things up. Either the business is fully responsible in making money, then they should also be responsible in cleaning up their own mess. Big pharma, Big banks, Big oil, all of them.

Kam Fet: This situation does have many politicians, Republican and Democratic, deeply conflicted, doesn’t it? Both parties seem to run on oil, and much of the oil is from BP. The biggest fools to date have been Slops Barbour, Where’s My Check Landrieu and Cat House “Diapers” Vitter, but there are a host of lesser fools out there, as well.

Michelle, I swear, you never waste an opportunity to tell us just how bitter you are. How many times must President Obama apologize to you for not losing the 2008 election?

Hey Kam, When have an awful disease like cancer, I’d love to get your thoughts on how awful “big pharma” is. Move to Cuba if you hate capitalism so much.

King, you are just plain weird. Take your meds, my friend.

Or should I call you Mr. Stephenson.

I saw Carville the other day crying ‘Cam Heree, cam heree! now I here him saying same stuff like Vitter, Landreau, Barbour. And I’m like, what the hell. Its like combining best of both worlds, Green one day and Oil sales man the next. If the people in the south wants the Oil jobs then they should settle their affairs with BP and ask the Government to stay away.

Here’s my take on the oil spill and the argument of ‘big government’ vs ‘private business’.

When my neighbors ivy was growing out of control and started to work it’s way onto my house I asked him to trim it back. The reason for this is because ivy can get under your siding or between your brick work and destroy your house. My neighbor did nothing. So, instead of waiting for him to fix it (after I waited a couple of weeks) I went out and trimmed it back myself. The point of this is, when it threatened my house – I took it upon myself to protect my house. If I had continued to wait for him, who knows how long it would have taken and how much damage could have occurred.

Kam Fet says:
June 14, 2010 at 9:48 am

People want the government to do the job the government said it was there to do. They want them to enforce regulations, which they didn’t do in this case. They want BP to stop the spill, because they’re the only ones with the ability to do so. And they want the government to organize the cleanup, and yet they’re failing at that too.

The Real Royal King says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:00 am

The biggest fools to date have been…

Let me guess… all Republicans?! Wow, King! Still batting 1.000.

Does it ever bother you to be this predictably biased and angry?

MichelleF says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:03 am

After 8 years of non-stop whining about the President, folks like King think anyone complaining about the current President is probably just doing what he did back then. That’s why he (and others) think any criticism is unwarranted… they just think everyone else is doing what they did.

And now, I’m sure one of King’s alter egos will come out, and complain further. In 3…2…1…

@MichelleF
You are not being coherent, so cant reply to what does not make any sense.

MichelleF says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:02 am
Hey Kam, When have an awful disease like cancer, I’d love to get your thoughts on how awful “big pharma” is. Move to Cuba if you hate capitalism so much.

MichelleF says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:03 am

King, you are just plain weird. Take your meds, my friend.

—

And, you think it normal to critique a speech which has not been given? Well, Glen(n) critiques books he hasn’t read, and since he is the chief figurine in your pantheon, I suppose it makes sense.

@ImNotBlue
You are spinning as usual, not being coherent and struggling to make a point. The previous admin and people who think that way says les and less regulations. And they got it, thanks to Mr. Cheny. We are constantly told that the industry can take care of itself (self regulating). Now since they wrote their own regulation, you expect everything to work well! why? because business is in charge.So stop whining, and let Big business take care of itself. Government is useless, let the real organisation power structure (business) do its job.

By the way, their business is to make money and ruin communities (people’s savings) and the environment. When its cleaning up the mess, then the jokers and useful idiots that supports them want socialism. They shouldn’t have receive the bail out and 2. let them clear the mess alone and pay up (compensations).

The Real Royal King says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:00 am

The biggest fools to date have been…

Let me guess… all Republicans?!

—

I had no idea Mary Landrieu was a Republican when I wrote my post. Does Mitch McConnell know this?

—–

After 8 years of non-stop whining about the President, folks like King think anyone complaining about the current President is probably just doing what he did back then. That’s why he (and others) think any criticism is unwarranted… they just think everyone else is doing what they did.

—
As to Michelle, you are suggesting that she is merely preemptively bleating, moaning and whining?

Maybe you ought to be reading the posts before you begin commenting on them.

Kam Fet says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:16 am
@MichelleF
You are not being coherent, so cant reply to what does not make any sense.

I’m sorry, Kam. Let me dumb it down for you. You slam industries like pharma, yet I’m sure if you were sick and needed what they have to offer, you might change your tune a bit. Let me know if that is still too complex for you to comprehend.

ps, comprehend, means understand, um get.

And, you think it normal to critique a speech which has not been given? Well, Glen(n) critiques books he hasn’t read, and since he is the chief figurine in your pantheon, I suppose it makes sense.

I was critiquing Carville’s statement, dufus.

Kam Fet says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:23 am

@ImNotBlue
You are spinning as usual, not being coherent and struggling to make a point.

I’d like to talk about the “not being coherent” line for a moment. You’ve used it a lot recently (mostly after I pointed out that you frequently drop words and letters, making your screeds indecipherable). It’s not a defense that you don’t understand, when the content is clear and logical. I get that YOU may not get it… but unless you can point to something specific that is “incoherent,” you’re just attempting to dodge. In short, we’re not buying it… you’re very transparent.

The previous admin and people who think that way says les and less regulations. And they got it, thanks to Mr. Cheny.

And I’m sure you’ve got facts to back that up… right? But more importantly, I thought that there was a new administration in charge. Isn’t it THEIR responsibility to do things? Do they want “less and less regulation” too?

We are constantly told that the industry can take care of itself (self regulating).

Well, no we’re not.

Now since they wrote their own regulation, you expect everything to work well!

Who’s “they?” You think BP wrote the regulations? What about the myriad of information showing that they were able to skirt the legislation and regulations?

why? because business is in charge.So stop whining, and let Big business take care of itself. Government is useless, let the real organisation power structure (business) do its job.

HUH?! As I said (and apparently, you’re not reading), BP has to stop the leak… the government has to manage the cleanup. What part of that doesn’t work for you?

By the way, their business is to make money and ruin communities (people’s savings) and the environment.

Wait, BP makes money by ruining communities? How does that work?!

When its cleaning up the mess, then the jokers and useful idiots that supports them want socialism.

There’s a difference between “socialism” and having the government do its job. Again, limited government isn’t a call for anarchy!

They shouldn’t have receive the bail out and 2. let them clear the mess alone and pay up (compensations).

So we should wait for BP to clean everything up? Wow.

The Real Royal King says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:26 am

You’re right, Landrieu isn’t a Republican. She is a more moderate Democrat… which to you, is just like being a Republican (I heard folks on the radio saying as much… I think it was Big Ed’s show).

And no, that’s not what I was saying about Michelle… perhaps YOU should read what I write before commenting (under whatever name you’re using at the moment).

YOU and folks like you complained non-stop for all kinds of nonsense for all of the Bush years. And at this point, I believe you realize it was mostly nonsense. But that also means you expect people to be as shallow and petty as you. That’s why you assume Michelle’s legit criticisms (without reading them, or thinking about them, of course) are just like your petty whining. That’s when the “Obama won” line comes out.

In short, you see yourself and your own derangement in everyone else. You’re not arguing against Michelle… you’re arguing against yourself.

Thank you very much, Dr. Joyce Brothers. I’m sure we can all benefit from your Dime Store Psychological Assessment. Do you accept PayPal?

@MichelleF
I bet in your mind, comprehend is a big word for you. Well good for ya, if it makes you happy. Still you don’t know any facts. Did you know Big Pharma were happy with the health care law, do you know they were happy with the prescription signed by W. If you think for a minute, you’d asks yourself where all this money is coming from.

The Big pharma needs the Government more than they need them. If not why did they persist that the banning on imported medicine should be maintained. The medicine are the same in value, but the pricing in the U.S is much more expensive than its original value. How come free-markets is not working in this field, if the medicine are valuable why are they being restricted. You won’t have this in other industries, never, but Big Pharma won’t allow it, so the Govt gives up the plan. Talk about real health care reform, which would allow needy families to afford necessary mediation. Unlike you, I debate with facts not with my heart or what the big talkers are saying. God has given us brains to examine and consider the data in front of us. The facts is there, they are with whoever is in Govt (Red or Blue) as long as it serves their interest.

@ImNotBlue
You never stop to make me laugh at your …..
In what you quote from me, the sentences was specifically addressing Big Business (which includes Big Banks Oil) etc. Come on man, read before you jump on replying. If you don’t understand the statement how can you comment correctly. Come on, this is getting embarrassing now, common. Not that I expect much from you, but this is just poor.

@ kam fet explain this quote.

“Kam fet says @48238 Nope, you wish. There’s none whatsoever. Bet you’r still bitter, all your biterness didn’t get you nowhere, he’s the president. And if you have rage over it, die in your rage, its the eull if God that he’s the president.n ”

“Kam fet says Sorry, its meant to be Will of God. Typo, you could have picked that up by looking at he location of w and e. ”

Explain how I don’t understand this statement .

@The real Royal Gnome
Sad, you comb the web to look for comments that were made by kamfet instead of kam fet. Another useful idiot. Why don’t you make your comment. Initially I read your name as ”The real Royal Goone’ instead of ‘The real Royal Gnome’. Well, what more can I say.

Comment was just removed Kamfet ! What a DOUCHE BAG !!!!!!! LIAR !!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO !!!!

Quick run kam fet erase all your nastiness!!!!!! LIAR !

@”The real Royal Goone’’
Nastiness to your ignorant ear.

If not why did they persist that the banning on imported medicine should be maintained. The medicine are the same in value, but the pricing in the U.S is much more expensive than its original value.

The reason for this is countries like Canada have price controls in place, so the free market is NOT in play here. Now Pharma could elect not to send their drugs there, since they actually LOSE $$, but they won’t because then libs like you would say they want people to die.

Pharma’s profit margin is around 7-8% right now. Comparatively, a company like NIke’s is around 12%. What would you say a fair profit margin would be for pharma? Right now, it takes around a billion $$’s to bring a new drug to the market. Where do you think that billion $$’s comes from. Profits! Libs love to bash this industry, but you can be sure they will show up at the pharmacy for their drugs when they need them.

Kam fets words get posted and he runs and erases them !!!!!!

BWHAHAHAHAHA .

Kamfet you are a lying little coward ! You don’t have the courage to defend your words , you just run away and erase them as soon as they’re posted.

Keep running coward , we can play this game all day !

Another reason, Michelle, is that in the US a very high percentage of medication is controlled, i.e. you have to have a prescription. That drives up the price significantly. I can go to any number of advanced, Western countries and get such drugs as Tamiflu and Cipro over-the-counter. We have a system in the US, a medical monopoly, which works effectively to drive up healthcare costs, to the benefit of pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, doctors and other health providers.

@ kamfet

How did your comment get removed 6 minutes after it was posted ? More Gods will ?

COWARD !!!

Again, King, their profit margin is 7-8%. What do you think it should be? If they don’t make $$, why in heck would they continue to spend billions to bring new, needed drugs to market.

@MichelleF
Took you a while to google your answer! well you are still missing the point. Who is Big Pharma’s biggest customer?
Well can’t wait for you to google that, it’s the Government. Like I said they need the Government as much as the Government needs them. I bet you don’t know about the negotiation between them and the Govt. W. gave them one of their biggest wish ever, prescription drugs which the Republicans didn’t pay for. You don’t know whats up, so take a seat and learn.

Freemarket on drugs! don’t make me laugh. If there was free market in the U.S, the health care crisis would be almost halved.

You are failing to understand that the patent itself is an asset, not measured by the sales themselves.

Now, if you want to argue that the FDA procedures ought to be streamlined, I would agree.

If you want to argue that pooling, volume buying would drive down costs, I would agree.

You’re simply taking a very simplistic approach, and I know it is not you approach, but the approach of your talking points’ author. Look at the bigger picture, and I think you could form a number of good points to support your argument for making the pharmaceutical companies even wealthier.

Kam, answer the question. What would be a fair profit margin for pharma? You and King seem to be avoiding the question.

ps, I do know a thing or two, since my dad works for Merck.

@ Kam Fet

” Comment removed ”

COWARD . LIAR DOUCHE BAG.

By the way, everyone, I’m sorrow I went off topic here. I was responding to a post, and I seem to have forgotten what the topic was. My bad.

sorry

Who cares what their profit margin is. I don’t care about them making money. Its you that’s trying to divert from the original topic here. Big pharma was one of big businesses put together but you chose to only speak on Big pharma. My original point was to highlight that Mr. Caville and the other jokers seem to enjoy capitalism as long as its making money, but as soon as theirs trouble the cry for big Government.

@ Kam Fet

How did your comment get removed as soon as you were called on it ?

COWARD

Who cares what their profit margin is. I don’t care about them making money

What an idiotic statement. If they didn’t make $$, they wouldn’t make new drugs. But thanks for admitting you don’t want to answer the question. Funny, I can never get libs to say what % the rich should pay in taxes either.

Hey Gnome, what was Kam’s comment, anyway?

Kam fet says @48238 Nope, you wish. There’s none whatsoever. Bet you’r still bitter, all your biterness didn’t get you nowhere, he’s the president. And if you have rage over it, die in your rage, its the eull if God that he’s the president.n ”

“Kam fet says Sorry, its meant to be Will of God. Typo, you could have picked that up by looking at he location of w and e. ”

The Real Royal King says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:45 am

Do you accept PayPal?

Yup! But since the odds are you have no money (unless mommy and daddy are giving you an allowance), I wouldn’t feel right taking it. I’m far too generous, it would seem.

Kam Fet says:
June 14, 2010 at 10:53 am

You never stop to make me laugh at your …..

At my ellipsis? I use those to denote a continuing thought, after a more substantial (than a comma) pause. I write like I speak (when writing on sites like this), and figure the ellipsis helps make my vocal patterns more easily imaginable. Although, I’m glad you find it funny.

In what you quote from me, the sentences was specifically addressing Big Business (which includes Big Banks Oil) etc.

I quoted your entire post. Which line in particular are you talking about?

Come on man, read before you jump on replying. If you don’t understand the statement how can you comment correctly.

I could ask you the same question, except we could substituted “issue” for statement. And, of course, add a “?” at the end.

Come on, this is getting embarrassing now, common. [sic]

It’s getting embarrassingly common? You meant to write “come on” for a second time? What was that supposed to be?

Not that I expect much from you, but this is just poor.

So you won’t address any issue… just make more basic English mistakes? Tell me honestly, English isn’t your first language, is it? I don’t mean that disparagingly… I’d just guess based on the words you use, and the poor way in which you write them, that this isn’t your native tongue. Am I correct?

@MichelleF
You begin to lose credibility when you answer a question with a question. It means you don’t know what you are talking about. So the best form of defence for you is attack. No one said Big pharma shouldn’t make any money, what you are alluding to is capping their income (which makes no sense to me). What’s being discussed is the morality acts of big business and the useful idiots that says make as much money as you can, but when crises come (call the Govt).

TRRK…does your company operate on 7-8% profit margin?

@ Kam Fet

How did your comment get removed as soon as you were called on it ?

COWARD

Thanks Gnome, that’s about what I’d expect.

No one said Big pharma shouldn’t make any money, what you are alluding to is capping their income

I’m not talking about capping their income at all. You seem to think 7-8% is too high, so I’m wondering what you think would be fair. But I’m tired of you. As someone else on this site says, “you are the weakest link, goodbye!!”

Has anyone else noticed how Kam Fet’s command of the english language seems to come and go ?

Some post’s sound as if he has just learned the language . While others, such as those at June 14, 2010 at 12:04 pm are quite literate.

@ImNotBlue
Coming from you, lol. After admitting that you write as you speak, you dare question someone else’s ability.

Anyway, your comment earlier when you quoted my statements. I was referring to Big business, but you addressed your reply to BP only. Reading that would not make sense to anyone, and I still don’t understand why you wouldn’t take time to understand what the statement was before commenting on it.

For example, how can ‘ruining communities’ be related to BP. Stay with me, use the Brain you have. If you focus from the beginning I referenced Big business as (Big Pharma, Big Banks Big Oil). Didn’t even mention BP. If you don’t focus, you are likely to get lost, so am not surprised by your performance. How comes others got the gist, but not you? Focus man, if you go to college, they won’t spell everything out for you, focus, focus.

Kam Fet says:

LIAR . COWARD. DOUCHE BAG.

Tell me again how you didn’t write those words .

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@MichelleF
I never mentioned 7-8%. The only person that mentioned that was you. Again debating yourself! I wish you’d just left my comment alone and not engaged it. You lowered the level of intelligence that started this conversation. Try to avoid my comments next time.
Thanks

@ Kam fraud

ps Your comments are still cached

Ask TRRK to explain the internet to you .

I never mentioned 7-8%. The only person that mentioned that was you.

Right and I asked you what you thought was fair and you avoided answering. Perhaps it is you that lowers the intelligence of a thread. Lucky for you, you and King or on the same side, since he loves pointing out others spelling and grammar errors. He’d have a field day with you, if he wanted to.

@The real Royal Goone
You are looking for a playmate. Trust me, I’m not going to be your mate. So shout as much as you can, blah, you’d be in the wilderness by yourself. By the way, thanks for verifying my literal credibility. At least, I have a fan that can stand up for me when people try to smear me for not being literate enough. Thanks buddy, I owe you one! lol

Obama should just drop a bomb on the gulf and kill everyone if he keeps the 6-month moratorium on drilling. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are at stake. The jerks in Washington depend on the government for jobs, but here in the gulf we depend on the oil industry. Obama hates oil drilling and was just looking for an excuse to end it because he buys into phony ass global warming.

MichelleF says:
June 14, 2010 at 12:22 pm

Kam Fraud is just a sock puppet . Although I don’t know if that’s what they call them in the UK , where he is from. Notice how his english skills come and go ?

@ kamFraud

How did your comments get removed after they were posted here ?
It is a simple enough question.

I eagerly await your reply . Regale me !

When people make posts on these sites they do not use editors. Most of just do a cursory reread. As most of you know when you reread you own material you miss many of your own mistakes. So knock off the grammar and spelling police. Unless you can’t understand what the poster meant, keep your mouth shut.
RRK really needs to keep his mouth shut.

See, I just left out the “us” in the first sentence.

Second sentence. See I just wasted my time with two more posts when you all understood what I meant in the first post. Only RRK has that much time to waste.

It’s perfectly understandable, gordon. The King corrects others’ spelling and grammar because he’s a pompous, arrogant ass.

@ kamFraud

How did your comments get removed immediately after they were posted here ?
It is a simple enough question.

I eagerly await your reply . Regale me !

Sorry I got side-tracked by Kam. Back to the topic at hand:

Vis the Wall Street Journal:

WH Takes Cues from Liberal Think Tank on Spill

If you want to see where President Barack Obama’s response to the Deepwater Horizon disaster is heading, try following the urgings of the Center for American Progress.

The liberal think tank with close White House ties appears to have more influence on spill policy than the president’s in-house advisers. On May 4, for instance, the CAP’s energy and environment expert, Daniel Weiss, called on the president to name an independent commission to look at the causes of the Deepwater Horizon disaster. On May 22, he did just that.

On May 21, CAP president, John Podesta, privately implored White House officials to name someone to be the public point person for the spill response. A week later, the White House announced that Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen would hold daily briefings on the spill, wherever he would be on any given day.

On May 26, Weiss said the White House needed to demand that BP immediately set up an escrow account with billions of dollars from which claims for Gulf state residents would be paid out.

Monday’s headlines proclaimed the president’s latest get-tough stand: BP needs to set up a billion-dollar escrow account.

What’s next, Mr. Podesta?

Color me absolutely shocked!!

Kam Fet says:
June 14, 2010 at 12:13 pm

Coming from you, lol. After admitting that you write as you speak, you dare question someone else’s ability.

I didn’t question your ability… I pointed out your inability. There’s a difference.

And since you’re the first person to complain about my writing, methinks the problem rests with you. Color me not-that-surprised.

Anyway, your comment earlier when you quoted my statements. I was referring to Big business, but you addressed your reply to BP only. Reading that would not make sense to anyone, and I still don’t understand why you wouldn’t take time to understand what the statement was before commenting on it.

So, and I’ll just pick out one statement amongst the many (none of which make any more sense than before)… you believe that it’s the job of “big business” to “make money and ruin communities?” How does that work!?

If you focus from the beginning I referenced Big business as (Big Pharma, Big Banks Big Oil). Didn’t even mention BP.

Well, actually… you didn’t. Your “9:48 am” post talks about Big Business… but your 10:06am post talks about BP.

Either way, why are you talking about generic “big business,” on a thread about BP and the oil spill? And if all I did was apply your logic to BP, which as you said, is a member of big business… shouldn’t it make sense for them too?

If you don’t focus, you are likely to get lost, so am not surprised by your performance. How comes others got the gist, but not you?

Because nobody else referred to that particular passage. Oh… and if you read the rest of the thread… I’m not the only one who has called you out. Your incoherence is apparently legendary.

Focus man, if you go to college, they won’t spell everything out for you, focus, focus.

Is that what you’ve heard? Dude, you’re not even giving the bare minimum to figure out what you’re trying to say. Don’t try to pass off your poor writing skills as anything other than a faulty understanding of the language.

@ImNotBlue
You can’t think, trust me. You quoting parts of others statements to make on comment, leaves you confuse, this has a negative effect on the way you reply. Read the thread and you’d notice that messages were sent back and fort. You, just don’t get it. So there’s no point for me repeating myself to you, if you don’t get it, then that’s a problem for you, just like ‘gordonbloyershow’ said above. I can’t waste my time with you. I find it difficult to go back to comments I had written few hours ago. This is not the first time that I’ve noticed that you have problem understanding simple comets. Says more about you understanding ability than any excuse you want to make by pointing fingers. With others its 1 on 1, bam bam, they get it I get it, with you, you have to be spoon fed to understand. So go away, until you can correspond 1-1, not this child play crap.

I wonder if the first words out of Barry’s tomorrow night will be, “For the past 8 years….”

From Crooks and Liars:

“Does everyone remember Dick Cheney’s “National Energy Task Force”? The one where meetings were held in secret, and energy policy was set by the foxes in charge of the henhouse? Yeah, I figured you might.

Here’s some of what came out of this 170 travesty:

•Permanent permit exemptions granted to all oil and gas construction activities for roads, drill pads, pipeline corridors, refineries and compressor stations required under the Clean Water Act.
•Exempted oil companies from paying royalties on oil produced from deepwater wells.
•Created a special exception to the Safe Drinking Water Act for the “hydraulic fracturing process”. As CAP notes, this process was invented by Halliburton.
•Mandated a federally-funded study to identify ways that legislation, regulations and local zoning laws impeded development of existing leases and unexplored oil reserves.
•Limited states’ voice with regard to projects affecting their coastlines. This also included limiting court action with respect to offshore oil development.
•Reinstated lapsed leases due to nonpayment of royalties and rents.
•Transferred mineral rights of national seashores to private ownership or Texas state ownership in order to allow oil companies to drill under them.

“On August 8, 2005, George W. Bush signed the Energy Policy Act of 2005 into law.

On October 22, 2007 Randall B. Luthi, Wyoming attorney, Cheney cohort and new director of MMS signed a “Finding of No New Significant Impact” (PDF) with regard to Lease Sale 206, also known as the Deepwater Horizon. This finding was the last barrier for BP to cross before plunging equipment 5000 feet under the ocean’s surface, using Halliburton fracture techniques to open the well, and beginning the flow of oil which ends as an environmental and economic disaster to Gulf inhabitants. No significant impact, indeed.”

Have you noticed that we haven’t heard a peep out of Dick Cheney who never misses a chance to criticize President Obama? Now you know why!

roxsteady says:
June 14, 2010 at 1:38 pm

From Crooks and Liars:”

Irrelevant!

BHO’s admin. approved the permit to drill in April 2009 and BP started drilling February 2010.

And by the way, ROX, what major oil spill like this one in the gulf happened while Bush/Cheney were in office?

Kam Fet says:
June 14, 2010 at 1:16 pm

You can’t think, trust me.

Trust you? Not even to tell me the weather.

You quoting parts of others statements to make on [sic] comment, leaves you confuse [sic], this has a negative effect on the way you reply. Read the thread and you’d notice that messages were sent back and fort [sic]. You, just don’t get it. So there’s no point for me repeating myself to you, if you don’t get it, then that’s a problem for you, just like ‘gordonbloyershow’ said above. I can’t waste my time with you.

[sic]

I find it difficult to go back to comments I had written few hours ago.

Yes, scrolling up is tough on us all.

This is not the first time that I’ve noticed that you have problem understanding simple comets [sic].

Yes. Like these.

Says more about you [sic] understanding ability than any excuse you want to make by pointing fingers. With others its [sic] 1 on 1, bam bam, they get it I get it, with you, you have to be spoon fed to understand. So go away, until you can correspond 1-1, not this child play crap.

Even though others have all said “you’re not making sense,” and even though I’ve continually pointed out your inability to speak coherently… it’s my fault. Gotcha.

roxsteady says:
June 14, 2010 at 1:38 pm

Wow… I can’t believe Cheney is still in charge of the government!

Oh wait, he’s not? Oh, well… I’m sure Obama has a good reason for not changing all this documented horror from him, right?

The only question is, of course, if Cheney did all these terrible things… and we all know about these terrible things… why HASN’T Obama fixed them yet? Seems to me, if all this “information” (read: left-wing propaganda… the source for all of Roxy’s post) was so well known, Obama would have set the ball in motion to fix it BEFORE the disaster… instead of, you know, give BP a safety award.

But don’t let the logic get in the way of your copy/paste “abilities.”

In March of 2006, Alaska had the largest onshore spill in Alaska history (210,000 gallons) went undetected for at least five days. Three BP gas and oil pipelines on Alaska’s North Slope clogged or ruptured between September 2008 and November 2009. The rules that were put in place were direct results of the Bush/Cheney Energy policy. You’ll note that Obama has been trying to get legislation through but, continues to be blocked the the idiots in the GOP.

Hi Rox!

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http://www.theliberalheretic.com/blog/node/1119

I’ve asked that they add you to the list and am waiting to hear back. Finger’s crossed!!

IMB, I think we’ve gotten under Kam’s skin today.

You all need to deal with the fact that while Obama is President right now, these Energy policies are not his. If the Deepwater Rig hadn’t exploded none of us would even be aware of just how distructive these policies were. For instance,

“CAP reports:

One of the worst elements of what has come to be known as the “Dick Cheney energy bill” had a direct role in eliminating the kind of regulatory oversight that may have prevented the blowout of BP’s Mississippi Canyon 252 well on April 20 of this year. Section 390 of the legislation dramatically expanded the circumstance under which drilling operations could forego environmental reviews and be approved almost immediately under so-called “categorical exclusions” from the National Environmental Policy Act”

Do you understand that this is the law right now and that until Congress changes it, BP has little incentive to go beyond what they’re doing right now? Try to think of it like the Don’t ask, don’t tell law. While over 70% of the public wants it changed, until it’s changed, it’s still the law! Just look at the trouble Democrats are having trying to get the liability cap lifted and who’s blocking it…..that’s right, Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski!

How dId these comments get deleted immediately after you were called on them kam Fraud ?

Kam fet says @48238 Nope, you wish. There’s none whatsoever. Bet you’r still bitter, all your biterness didn’t get you nowhere, he’s the president. And if you have rage over it, die in your rage, its the eull if God that he’s the president.n ”

“Kam fet says Sorry, its meant to be Will of God. Typo, you could have picked that up by looking at he location of w and e. ”

roxsteady says:
June 14, 2010 at 2:01 pm

210000 gallons? LMAO

Based on recent estimates of 28,000 barrels spilling per day in the gulf, that was the amount spilled in the gulf in 4 hours! And that was on land not in water.

Roxy, its fitting you quote “Crooks and Liars because you are one.

I quote them because they have the facts. I know that you don’t like it because it doesn’t fit your narrative and that’s too bad. Now, if you don’t like Crooks and Liars, how do you feel about the New Orleans Times Picayune newspaper and their article from May 30th?

2 key paragraphs:

Three Democratic state senators blasted Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal on Saturday for not quickly distributing $40 million in grants from BP at the same time he has been criticizing the company and the Obama administration for taking too long to provide needed resources to combat the Gulf oil spill

Peterson said that at a meeting Thursday with BP officials, coastal Louisiana legislators and representatives of the Jindal administration, it was disclosed that the state has spent only about $3 million of a $25 million BP grant for spill-related expenses, and that it has not yet issued a contract for BP’s $15 million grant to promote tourism attractions threatened by the spill. It also was revealed that the state has called up only 1,100 of the 6,000 National Guard members authorized for the spill clean-up efforts, Peterson said.”

Where the hell is Bobby Jindal and what the hell is he doing? Have any of you seen him lately?

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1275200404226630.xml&coll=1

Jindal doesn’t exactly come to this with clean hands.

“And in related news, you probably already guessed Jindal isn’t exactly nature’s steward with the control he does have. Louisiana is a state firmly in the pocket of Big Oil, after all:

But Louisiana also has a history of accommodation to the industry’s role in coastal erosion, which devours the equivalent of a football field of the state’s wetlands every 38 minutes.

Any pipeline, oil well or other energy development in Louisiana’s 19-parish coastal zone needs a state permit, a stamp of approval saying the work results in “no net loss” of wetlands. State regulators are supposed to weigh a project’s environmental risks against its economic benefits, but the balance is tipped overwhelmingly in favor of oil and gas, a Times-Picayune review of five years of state records shows.

In fact, of more than 4,500 coastal permits requested by energy companies between 2005 and 2009, regulators did not deny a single one, the newspaper’s review shows. Although some applications were still being evaluated, the vast majority allowed firms to do everything from tap new oil wells to install pipelines buried deep beneath fragile marshland from Calcasieu to Plaquemines parishes. More than 100 permits were granted “after the fact,” meaning that companies had already begun their work before approaching the state for permission.

[...] Oliver Houck, an environmental lawyer with Tulane University, calls mitigation a “charade” meant to divert attention from the need for tighter regulation”

I suspect that this is also why you haven’t seen an out pouring of support for people who want the government to help them, while simultaneously calling for the government to lift the moratorium.

In fact, of more than 4,500 coastal permits requested by energy companies between 2005 and 2009, regulators did not deny a single one,”

Gov. of LA. from 2004 to 2008 was a DEMOCRAT!

It’s not about what party the govenor was a part of. It’s the attitude of the local government and the people. Don’t you think they share the blame for their attitudes about drilling and how it effects the coatline and the people? Mary Landrieu, a Democrat was the first one to say they need to keep drilling and she’s been trashed by all of us on the left for whoring herself and her state to big oil. We’re also upset that the President had announced that there would be more drilling just before this rig exploded but, we’re also aware that he did it to try and gain Republican support for his Energy Policy which, they still don’t seem to want to support. Unlike the right, the left has no problem criticizing the President when we don’t agree with him. We’re not the party of NO who votes in lock step the way Republicans do.

By the way, Jindal was elected govenor on October 20, 2007 and just 2 da y later on October 22nd lease 206 was issued. Lease 206 is the Deepwater Horizon Rig that is now spewing oil into the Gulf. I don’t know if he reviewed it or tried to stop it but, again it was done so under the current laws and that’s what’s still the problem today. They need to change these laws but, they must have help from Republicans. Do any of you think the Dems will get that? I don’t!

LOL

You are a poor liar!

“Jindal assumed the position of governor when he took the oath of office on January 14, 2008. ”

And the Deepwater Horizon commenced drilling in the Macondo Prospect in February 2010 at a water depth of approximately 5,000 feet (1,500 m).

roxsteady says:
June 14, 2010 at 2:01 pm

You’ll note that Obama has been trying to get legislation through but, continues to be blocked the the idiots in the GOP.

And what legislation would that be, Roxy?

roxsteady says:
June 14, 2010 at 2:11 pm

Answer me honestly… is there ever a problem you won’t find a way to tie to a Republican? The Democrats control the White House and Congress… yet can’t manage to do anything. Apparently, the left knew about these “secret meetings,” yet nobody told Obama, Biden, or an elected Democrat?

Wow. There really isn’t anything you couldn’t or won’t blame on someone else, is there?

roxsteady says:
June 14, 2010 at 2:22 pm

roxsteady says:
June 14, 2010 at 2:43 pm

Copy/Paste
Copy/Paste
Copy/Paste

Ugh.

roxsteady says:
June 14, 2010 at 2:43 pm

Let’s play, “Which Roxy is right?!”

Quote Roxy:
“We’re not the party of NO who votes in lock step the way Republicans do.”

Versus (a few sentences prior)

Mary Landrieu, a Democrat was the first one to say they need to keep drilling and she’s been trashed by all of us on the left for whoring herself and her state to big oil.”

Apparently, Roxy doesn’t walk in lockstep with the Democrats… but when someone doesn’t go along with the left-wing, they get accused of “whoring herself.” Sounds like the Democrats (including Roxy) don’t much care for Ms. Landrieu because she’s not going along with the rest of the party! What a contradiction!

So which is it, Roxy?

Hmmm… upon further reflection, maybe you should just stick with Copy/Paste. This angry analysis doesn’t seem to be helping your argument.

“And in related news, you probably already guessed Jindal isn’t exactly nature’s steward with the control he does have. Louisiana is a state firmly in the pocket of Big Oil, after all:

Rox, since you love the facts, here they are:

BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees – $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.

During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.

Suck on thsoe facts for a while.

If the oil companies and the government would concentrate on clean-up methods they would not have to worry about spills. The new methods shone on the Huckabee show have great potential and they are not 50 years down the road like new energy sources.
The enviromental nuts don’t want folks to invent clean-up methods because that would eliminate the need to stop drilling.

roxsteady says:
June 14, 2010 at 2:50 pm
“By the way, Jindal was elected govenor on October 20, 2007 and just 2 da y later on October 22nd lease 206 was issued.”
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Jindal didn’t take power until January of 2008.

@MichelleF
On the contrary, I think arguing with morons would make me look like one. So I don’t find any reason for me to do so.