If Obama weren’t making the election an integral part of his debt ceiling demands, Scarborough might have a point. But Obama is and Scarborough doesn’t.

“Does the President worry about that? Yes the President is worried
about that. I think the President is a little more worried though about
an economic meltdown, an economic armageddon. That happens if we don’t
take care of this.”

Raising the debt ceiling doesn’t do a damned thing to forestall economic armageddon. The ratings services don’t care about the debt ceiling, they care about the debt and our ability to service it. More debt is not a solution to these problems.

He’s right. Everyone is playing politics here.

Obama needs to face the facts.  Either he accepts the Republicans’ proposal and cuts spending…or he hits the debt ceiling and is FORCED to cut spending.  And if the latter happens, Boehner and the Republicans will pass a series of cost-cutting bills that Obama can very well veto…but with the full weight of responsibility on his shoulders for the consequences.  In short, the Democrats have lost this battle — both in Congress and in the mind of the public.  It’s time they accepted this and started cutting back on their big bloated government bureaucracy.

Boehner had his colleagues render him something of a fool, yesterday, didn’t he? Promising a package before the Asian markets opened, all he could deliver was some “Super Congress” tripe. I understand he had to find some scapegoat. I really appreciate that Boehner has a caucus with which he can’t work, with which God the Father Almighty himself could not work. And, I feel empathy for him, desiring to do right and being hamstrung by those who would do what is wrong for the nation simply for their own narrow self interest. I’m sure he feels he would much rather have Can’tor as an enemy than an ally. I understand all of that. However, his remarks are harmful at a time at which we are teetering right on the edge. He needs to figure out how to throw red meat over the fence to the beasts without blooding his hands and splashing that blood on others.

the president will veto any deal that does not extend into 2013 (past the election), yeah no politics there mr. president lol

So how is your radical Islamic shootist/bomber in Norway position working out for you? You’ve been very quiet since week’s end. Understandably. Not a great re-entry post for you, but you did get to bash our President, so I assume that makes you feel better.
 
BTW: Our President canceled a couple of find raisers to try to get the deficit ceiling talks going again. Doesn’t sound like he is “making the election an integral part of his debt ceiling demands.” But, you have ably parroted the talking points.

Could it be any plainer? No, it couldn’t.

Scarborough is right. Right now the majority of the country hates what Washington is doing and any kind of cheap shot or sophomoric rhetoric from any side can possibly tip the balance in favor of the opposing side. If they are going to play politics then they should least play smart politics.

Mr President why are you being mendacious about defaulting on the debt?  Servicing the debt is about $220 billion a year and the govt. takes in over $2 trillion a year.

My bomber, Kook? Take your meds, freak.

I understand your hyper-sensitivity. I would be embarrassed, too.

Scarborough can’t possibly be this stupid.  The Democrats have been attacking the Republicans over “being willing to cause this crisis” for over a month now.  And every time Boehner wipes his nose the wrong way, President Imbecile runs to the podium and cries that Boehner or Cantor are not trying to get a debt deal passed.  All Obama, Reid, and the administration have done is take political cheap shots.  The buried lead here (shocking that Mediate buried a lead) is that every single one of Obama’s staff (including Daly and Geithner) let the cat out of the bag repeatedly this weekend that the only thing Obama cares about is pushing this entire problem off past his own 2012 election.  That’s what’s truly holding up the bill; Obama doesn’t care what it does (reduce spending, raise taxes) as long as he doesn’t have to raise the debt limit again before November 2012.

And Scarborough has the balls to complain about playing politics?!?

So, why cancel the fundraisers?

In point of fact, Boehner’s stop gap Tea Party measure will do very little to stabilize the market or our currency. He just wants to take the heat off for a moment. Understandably. But, the short term, stop gap is the politically-driven measure.

Unlike Nancy Pelosi who always had control of her caucus, Boehner is weak and incompetent in controlling his house.

Well, you certainly convinced me. Virtually every economist of note, worldwide, has to be wrong.

More water carrying from the president’s personal media PR team. Obama has been taking cheap shots at Republicans since he took office. He can dish it out, but he cant take it. 

So Joe is OK with Obama’s cheap shots but goes after others ?  Joe should hold Obama to a higher standard first, he is the President. But Joe seems to be AOK with cheap shots from the President.

Glib. garrulous empty-suit Obama has no shots but cheap shots

 I gave you a “Liked”. I know how embarrassed you have to be. I hope this helps.

The truth is that both sides are playing election politics. It is all they ever do anymore. Boehner is just as bad as Obama on this but nobody is as bad as McConnell who has already declared no deal with this president. Reid has his own plan just to have a plan and Pelosi is wondering how to make this about her. Cantor is just waiting to overthrow Boehner.

When all is said and done both parties are acting like children in a sandbox.

And all Boehner has is less than nothing except cheap one liners.

This is both sides and you know it.

nail on the head

And, the first step in our ability to service the debt is what, O Might “Islam Did It!”?

He’s negotiating with the President, not his caucus. He and House Republicans are pretty unanimous in what they want.

What would I have to be embarrassed about, Kook? A quote and a link will suffice.

Oh, and the fact that I bother talking to you, while it technically fits, is not what I’m looking for.

What economist says we’ll stop servicing the debt next week with out a ceiling raise?

Boehner has a couple of plans that his people have passed. One of them has the approval of 665 of Americans.

That’s significantly more than the Dems have brought to the table. The only Dem proposal we’ve seen in writing is the one the Senate killed unanimously.

No political shots…but instead, please run around yelling that the sky is falling…and then do nothing of substance like Obama is doing?

I’d rather listen to the cheap shots.

Boehner’s 2 “plans” that have passed the House were never meant to actually pass the Senate. Both were voted with the knowledge that they would never actually happen and were meant to be talking points.

The 66 percent is only support for the balanced budget amendment and only then if it is misrepresented. The same polls also show that most Americans prefer a balanced plan with spending cuts and tax increases on some things.

Plus, we don’t use polls to determine things. I am getting very tired of skewed polling results being pointed to as reality when they are not. We elect a Congress to do a job, that, thus farm this Congress is refusing to do.

The Republicans are not united on this. Neither are Democrats. Maybe they need to abandon the whole 2-party next election fixation and focus on good public policy instead of just making Grover Norquist and George Soros happy.

Boehner also proposed a “Super Congress,” to make sure that someone else would take the heat going forward. In other words, he cannot wait to abdicate this responsibility.

Both sides have presented plan after plan after plan. And all of them in writing. Only the ones allowed by the House majority have come near a vote.

It is easy to take one side and blame the other for partisan games, but the truth is both sides are guilty here. All either cares about is the next election.

Breaking this morning:

A Republican aide e-mails me: “The Speaker, Sen. Reid and Sen. McConnell
all agreed on the general framework of a two-part plan. A short-term
increase (with cuts greater than the increase), combined with a
committee to find long-term savings before the rest of the increase
would be considered. Sen. Reid took the bipartisan plan to the White
House and the President said no.”

Boehner is exactly right. Obama isn’t interested in a deal. Obama is interested in getting reelected, and I’m not so sure he’s even all that interested in that.

As I recall, Congress claimed this as their responsibility. Well? Boehner, Reid, McConnell and Pelosi are on the hook then, aren’t they? 4 cowardly liars only interested in the next election.

The 66 percent is only support for the balanced budget amendment and
only then if it is misrepresented. The same polls also show that most
Americans prefer a balanced plan with spending cuts and tax increases on
some things.

No, 66% is for Cut, Cap and Balance. A straight up balanced budget amendment garners 74%.

We elect a Congress to do a job, that, thus farm this Congress is refusing to do.

The Senate seems to be the roadblock here. The House is doing its job. Remind me, when was the last time the Senate passed a budget?

One of those people has moved bills forward. The rest have done nothing.

Scarborough is the guy who literally reads the White House talking points on the air. He and that dimwitted bleach blonde bimbo sitting next to him are constantly getting texts directly from Jarrett and others while on air in real time for rebuttal points.

The only reason Scarborough is where he is today is because he is willing to act as the trained talking monkey for the WH and the DNC. Hell, they probably even subsidize his $7 million salary for AMessNBC.

Thing is, nobody gives a damn what Scarborough says. Look at the ratings for Morning Jo(k)e. His numbers even get beaten by a FOX show that airs at 3:00 AM.  And I don’t think his book sale volume even made it out of three figures.

As far as Scarborough claim that Boehner is making cheap shots…L’il Joey a few months back was pushing the rumor that Boehner had a drinking problem after the Speaker wouldn’t debase himself by making an appearance on Scarborough’s clown show.

The Senate is deadlocked because of ancient rules, Currently the Senate is blocked because Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has promised to stop anything coming through”

“There can be no deal while this president is in office.”
“The most important legislative goal is to make Obama a one-term president.”

That always helps.

Add to that Reid’s lack of interest in bringing up anything that will not pass easily and you have a roadblock.

The House has done its job just like it did under Pelosi – by brute force and without any form of negotiation with the minority party. Just like with Pelosi, it has been take it or leave it. If it was wrong then according to Republicans who screamed about it, it is wrong now.

CCB is a fraud that almost guarantees a disaster in 3-5 years when more has to be cut than there is. The unreality of CCB is that just cutting will somehow fix things. It won’t. By the way, anyone care to explain how the House GOP, which certainly spent its brains out for a decade can now claim some form of fiscal responsibility.

Both sides, Pablo, both sides.

Joe and Mika . Al Sharpton announced today that he wants your time slot.

Morning Al with Al, Jesse Jackson, Van Jones, Jeremiah Wright and Donny Deutsch begins August 1st .

Joe and Mika still have their 3 hour radio extraganza , however .

Again, talking points. No Democrat bill is moving in the GOP controlled house, just like when Pelosi ran it and no GOP bill could advance.

By the way, NONE of those 4 has moved anything. They have allowed votes, but those 4 are more useless than grass plugs in January.

If, hust once, it was possible to put aside the partisan nonsense, we might get something done, but as can be seen from this conversation, it is more about scoring points for party and election than accomplishing the goal.

The Senate is deadlocked because of ancient rules, Currently the Senate
is blocked because Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has promised to stop
anything coming through”

The Senate is deadlocked because of partisan politics. See the vote to table CC&B without debate. Straight party lines. GOP said “Let’s talk about this.” and the Dems said “No.”

Yup, both sides are in the room. 

True, 2010 ring a bell?

On the Senate CCB vote, GOP said, pass it as is. There was no talking about it. It came to a vote and failed. On the same terms it passed the House – party line. See, that is how majorities work.

Important note – McConnell’s Senate minority has the standing record for filibusters and blocked nominations.

Odd how the party line thing only works when it is one’s party. Since I have none (No Party Affiliation), I despise party line anything.

Both sides need to set down the talking points, pledges, fund raisers and campaigns and just do their actual jobs…without demands, litmus tests and the rest.

Again, both sides are guilty here. Why is that so hard to some to admit?

Yes, as does 2008. See, the 2010 election changed Congress, but not the president. And it was not a blinding mandate, as some have claimed. Nor was 2008. But both elections have real consequences. And one of them is that they need to work together for the people and not against each other for the next election.

Both sides have behaved terribly. Like spoiled little brats. Both sides.

Also, I seem to recall a lot of people during the health care debate saying that Obama and the Dems were ignoring America, even though the 2008 election was about that very issue.

So the election/consequences thing only works in one direction?

Again, both sides. Both.

No, results are not talking points. One body is working, the others are in the grip of the Party of No. Cut, Cap and Balance accomplishes several goals, all of them worthy. And it can’t even get a debate in the Senate.

No, CCB passed the House with Democrat support. You’re mistaken.

Oh, and I have no party affiliation either.

Scarborough’s advice is not needed.  Maybe he should give that advice to Obama.

Scarborough lost his credibility with me years ago.  His opinion is no longer relevant to me and to many like me.

Calie Stephens
Dallas, TX

I knew there was a reason that Morning Joe gets such few viewers. The two talking heads for the White House and their parent GE gets real old very quickly. I believe Joe sold his political roots to GE and is now just a blabbermouth for their left wing ideals!

Say it ain’t so Joe.

NBC – The National Barak Channel.

Joe is going for job security here, that is clear.

As for Savanah – give me a frikkin break, she is as lib as they get…jumping to the defense of hehimselftheone is nothing out of the ordinary for her, or for anyone on NBC for that matter.  remember, it is the policy of NBC to make sure “this president succeeds”.  it is forever tainted.

Wasn’t the GOP the “Party of No?”

See it keeps being about which side is wrong, when the simple truth is all of them are wrong. Both sides.

It was both sides that put us in his mess and it is both sides that refuse to take any real action to fix the mess. Both sides went with TARP, unpaid for tax cuts, off budget game playing, bailouts and the rest. Both sides.

CCB accomplishes some goals, but is not a long term solution. It is a strictly one-sided political stunt. Just cutting will not resolve the deficit/debt. That is a fact. Ask CBO about that. Artificially capping expenditures as a percentage of GDP only creates a problem later when the unforeseen arises. Balance is what has all of the states firing police officers. I am all for a balanced budget, but not this brute force method that CCB embraces.

Until folks can step away from the partisan defense and notice that both sides are the problem, the problem remains.

About as much Democratic support as Health Care got GOP support. Again, talking points, not reality.

Why is it so difficult to admit that the GOP and the Dems are equally responsible for the mess and equally irresponsible in fixing it?

He used to have good sense but has lost it over the years.  Too much contact with MSNBC staff.  He is ridiculous these days.  Always playing to the left.  Guess he wants to continue to get his paycheck as their token conservative which he left years ago.

Boehner needed to speak out.  Major problem developed when Bush didn’t respond to all the idiot accussations and ruined his reputation even tho were not real.  Boehner has to respond with the truth.  Obama can’t stand up there and call him a liar when he was the only one working.  Dems stopped everything in hopes of making sure of another victory.

The only thing cheap is this show. I am surprised they are able to stay on the air. Boring!

Obama has been taking shots at the Republicans for weeks with comments that are certainly not helpful.
.why didn’t Scarborough criticize those, too?

You know what’s really not helpful…a president who takes cheap shots at the people he’s supposed to be negotiating with.  But guess what – when BO does it, it works.  Go JB!

The first and only step is paying the bondholders. We can afford to do that without raising the debt ceiling.

Also, I seem to recall a lot of people during the health care debate
saying that Obama and the Dems were ignoring America, even though the
2008 election was about that very issue.

Healthcare was an issue in the 2008 elections, but you know they were all about Bush.

But I do agree that both parties suck ass. The main part of the way that Washington does business that is becoming readily apparent in this whole process is that they don’t want to take responsibility in the only way they are supposed to: by voting on the bills that are put forward. The “logic” that it’s ok for the Senate to table the House-passed bill because it was “voted with the knowledge that they would never actually happen and were meant to be talking points”, is bull. They should have just voted on it and struck it down. Why be afraid of being on the record as voting against a plan that Americans supposed don’t want? It obviously worked really well for the Republicans in the House on healthcare.

The problem with your point/counterpoint arguments here is that they have the effect (intended or otherwise) of excusing the democrats for what they’ve done because the republicans have done bad things too. This is obviously an effective style of playing politics for both sides, but it allows there to be no real change with no consequences for maintaining the status quo. I assume that is not your intention. For instance:

By the way, anyone care to explain how the House GOP, which certainly
spent its brains out for a decade can now claim some form of fiscal
responsibility.

This logic says that since the republicans did wrong before, they never can change. That’s obviously not true, though it does make it obvious that the motivation for doing the right thing is that they want to stay in office. I think every voter should strive to vote out anyone who they feel has voted without the best interest of their constituents and the rest of the nation in the past, even if they have changed their tune now. That doesn’t mean I don’t acknowledge that they are doing the correct thing now.

The only thing I will say is that I don’t really think that the McConnell controls the Republican Senators (at least I hope he doesn’t) and I hope he gets voted out of office at the next opportunity.

You’re right. This is why I think bills should be public knowledge even before they pass. There is no justification for keeping them secret.

You’re right. This is why I think bills should be public knowledge even before they pass. There is no justification for keeping them secret.

It never should have been a vote to table. It should have been a vote to pass or change and send back to the House. That would be the senate doing it’s actual job. The onus is actually supposed to pass from chamber to chamber and when they are in agreement, to the president.

Then tell Barry to shut up, Joey!

It’s fine and dandy for Oblamer to take cheap shots at Boehner and the GOP but heavens forbid anyone speak the truth about the anointed one.

Come one Joey, why not just call Boehner a racist, you know thats what you really think!!

Thanks Joe, now shut your rino pie hole.

The Chart That Should Accompany All Discussions of the Debt Ceiling
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/the-chart-that-should-accompany-all-discussions-of-the-debt-ceiling/242484/

What I’m finding so frustrating:  Cut, don’t cut, raise, don’t raise….until we fix the broken parts of the system we are going to be right back to where we were before.  I read the Frank/Todd bill that was put in place isn’t doing the job it was suppossed to.  We’re giving billions to the Taliban.    GE making record profits, again.
Making more housing loans to people who can’t afford them.  That new consumer protection agency is adding more expense. Everyone I know is having increases in their health care premiums and decreases in what is being covered or reimbursed. Does anyone know what is going on with all the free trade agreements being put in place; are they hurting us or helping us?
I am 100% for cuts being made.  Substantial ones pretty much across the board.  We just don’t have a choice, the spending has to be reined in.  But our leaders have to put their personal agendas on a back burner and make “big picture” changes for our country.  That starts at the top.  I wish I could trust our President to work for all of us.

The facts that that chart refuses to address:

Bush increased debt $5 trillion in 5 year= $625 billion a year

Barry $3.9 Trillion in 2.5 years= $1.56 trillion a year.

Projected 2011 deficit= $1.5 trillion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everybody has the mess on their hands, no doubt. But we have a problem that needs to be fixed, and we need to begin fixing it now. One party is working to do that right now, and it’s the party that was sent to do it in November. Those crazy ass teabaggers in the House are the only people that are serious about it, and they have the added advantage that a lot of them don’t care if they get reelected. That is how the House is supposed to work.

Now, we all know they’re going to kick the can down the road, but the House as it stands is simply not going to settle for completely ignoring the debt and spending problems. The Democrats have two other priorities; getting more money to spend and making sure it’s enough to get through reelecting Obama.

Which side is on my side? It’s a pretty easy call from where I sit.

Interesting……’If Obama weren’t making the election an integral part of his debt ceiling demands’…do you realize that this is Politics, and all of them are using this for ‘Election’ gains?  The Debt Limit, and Budget are being tied up at the same time, if thats not for Political gain by all involved…i would like to know what is!?

Let’s see, the republicans are pushing granny off the cliff, republicans “aren’t serious”, “social security checks might not go out”, to Eric Cantor, “don’t call my bluff”, (actually one of the dumber threats from the head moron), and the republican’s aren’t being honest and the politics from the right are despicable. Oh, one other thought about our hopey changey bring ‘em all together president: there is a statement in the latest Time magazine that the “we won” President, after the horrendous beating the dem’s took in the last election,COULD NOT FIND A TELPHONE NUMBER for then minority leader Boehner to congratulate him on the VICTORY. That’s how bi partisan the Obama administration and the left were for the first two years of his presidency, And now, the right is wrong again.

Nice reach, douche bag. Why don’t you  and progressive pussy have a small group hug over how great it is you can point fingers at a massacre in Norway and blame it on what is considered a “right wing zealot”. That is so great, congratulations to you and all the progressives applauding this rampage. We on the right are happy for your victory. Can you possibly tie this guy to the nut job in Arizona and maybe we can blame it all on Sarah Palin.

Obama is so worried about the budget and debt ceiling that he found time today to pander to the radical Hispanic group La Raza (The Race).

What Would TK Do?

Republicans lack the dignity to avoid Cheap Shots.  It is part of their very essence.  Their sustenance.

yeap asshole YOUR BOMBER !!!….you can run but you cant hide….HE IS NOT A WITCH – HES YOU

your jackboot stupid ass has managed to bigmouth yourself into being attached at the hip to a terrorist child killer….NICE JOB…youre gonna have to smear more oil on yourself to weasel your sorry out of this…do us and yourself a solid…..TURN YOURSELF IN !!!!!

Joe Scarborough needs a rectal encephaloectomy as the cheap shots come from the TEA party led GOP and the Toxic talking heads on the tube!

 I feel sorry for Speaker Boehner who has to try get the sanctimonious, demagogic, self-righteous and arrogant clown NO-PLAN-OBOZO to do something constructive and beneficial for the country, which is clearly a thankless and horrifically difficult task.

Now that the ONLY ADULT in the debt reduction process, Speaker Boehner, has sent man-child obozo off to play so he can’t further muck-up the negotiations – America can look forward to some REAL progress on fixing the reckless, out-of-control, irresponsible SPENDING PROBLEM in Washington.

(Yes, NO-PLAN-OBOZO was out playing golf on Sunday as Boehner and others were hard at work trying to solve the SPENDING PROBLEM!)

hahahahahaha….you’re scrambling to get away……CMERE FOOL….EAT YA PEAS….when youre arrested and carted off to one of obamas secret black site prisons maybe you will become an expert on enhanced interrogation, we’ll rely on you to settle the dispute we’ve been having for years…IS WATERBOARDING TORTURE?????

GOP= CCCP. Republicans are Conservatives for Communists Chinese Profileration. Republicans are determined to make the U.S. a second hand economic power. The U.S. may already have sold out to the Republicans and their partners the Communists Chinese. Who’s actually in charge, Chairman Boehner or Chairman Cantor, and are they following in Chairman Mao’s footsteps?

lol…you wingnuts dont hesitate to throw anybody off the island for saying something that doesnt fit your preprogrammed narrative….scarbrough has always been a conservative….a registerd conservative at that…hes one of you…being called out on your stupidity is offensive to you isnt it??? well to damn bad…pull your head out ya dumb ass and you may be able to restore your lost credibility….until then STFU  AND EAT YA DAMN PEAS

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA….YOURE GETTIN WORSE…OBAMA OWNS YA STUPID ASS…..IT WAS PREDICTED THAT ELECTING A BLACK PRESIDENT WOULD DRIVE YOU CONSERVATIVES BATSHIT CRAZY………MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone in ” real ” America vs libs who still cling to Obama’s amerika has already come to the realization the entire world has already found  Obama to be an ‘ Epic Fail ‘ after taking up their own ” NO CONFIDENCE ” vote on his inability to carry out his sworn duties as president of the United States of America.

If Scarborough were a true Conservative, he’d be trumpeting the successes of the Tea Party inspired governors who are turning their states fortunes around because of the budgets they’ve passed. 

Ohio under Kasich has had it’s credit outlook upgraded by Standards and Poors due to the confidence they have in Kasich’s budget.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/07/sp_upgrades_ohios_credit_outlo.html

Wisconsin under Walker was responsible for half of all jobs created throughout the entire country in June.
http://www.jsonline.com/business/126069273.html

Indiana under Daniels has a 1.2 billion dollar budget surplus.
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/jul/14/indiana-outlook-improves-close-budget/

Funny how Scarborough and the media aren’t reporting the successes of these Republican governors during this debt ceiling/budget debate, as they are prime examples of the fact that the Republicans are on the right side of the debate on this and that their fiscal ideas are a success.

Yeah, isn’t that great? La Raza, whose motto is “For those of our race everything, for those not of our race, nothing!”

I couldn’t help but notice that on every political show Sunday the President had his minions on and they all said exactly the same thing word for word…”We must extend the debt limit to beyond the 2012 election or else the world will lose faith in us.”  These multiple sound bites make it appear that Obama is more worried about getting re-elected than the future of the country.  

I couldn’t help but notice that on every political show Sunday the President had his minions on and they all said exactly the same thing word for word…”We must extend the debt limit to beyond the 2012 election or else the world will lose faith in us.”  These multiple sound bites make it appear that Obama is more worried about getting re-elected than the future of the country.  

From Scarborough Country to Mornin’ Joe. Talk about a cheap shot to your own foot. Why would such an historic, intellectual, thick skinned President like o’bama worry about “cheap shots”? And what would a cheap shot be? Anything Joe thinks o’bama’s rather large ears should not hear?

If he does not praise the messiah, he will be roomies with other dripping liberal folk like cenk, and herr olbermann…

Doesn’t Medicaid cover mental health treatment? Get your head checked, psycho. It’s on us.

Pablo, Guess these muslim terrorists “belong” to you too:

1979 Iran Hostage Crisis: seizure of US Tehran Embassy, Iran (Nov 4, 1979 for 444 days)
1983 Bombing of US Beirut Embassy, Lebanon (April 18, 1983)
1983 Bombing of US Marine barracks, Beirut, Lebanon (Oct 23, 1983)
1983 Bombing of US Kuwait Embassy (Dec 12, 1983)
1984 Bombing of US Beirut Embassy (again) (Sept 20, 1984)
1984 Kuwait Airlines Flight 221 hijacked to Tehran – American passengers murdered (Dec 3, 1984)
1985 Hijacking TWA Flight 847 hijacked to Beirut (June 14, 1985)
1985 Hijacking cruise ship Achille Lauro, wheelchair-bound American is thrown overboard & killed (Oct 7, 1985)
1986 Bombing Berlin disco frequented by US servicemen (April 5, 1986)
1988 Bombing Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, 100′s murdered (Dec 21, 1988)
1993 First bombing World Trade Center, New York City, 7 Killed, 1,042 wounded (Feb 26, 1993)
1993 Foiled NY Landmarks plot by Omar Abdel Rahman to blow up the Holland and Lincoln tunnels and other New York City landmarks
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr. during visit to Kuwait (April 14, 1993)
1993 Black Hawk Down: shot down US helicopters in Mogadishu, Somalia, during Operation Restore Hope (Oct 3-4, 1993)
1994 Plot to assassinate President Clinton during visit to the Philippines
1995 Failed Project Bojinka by Ramzi Yousef to blow up a dozen US airliners over the Pacific (end in Jan 1995)
1995 Bombing US military headquarters, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (Nov 13, 1995)
1996 Bombing Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia, housing U.S. foreign military personnel (Jun 25, 1996)
1998 Bombing U.S. Nairobi Embassy, Kenya, Africa (Aug 7, 1998)
1998 Bombing U.S. Dar es Salaam Embassy, Tanzania, Africa (Aug 7, 1998)
1999 Foiled LAX Millennium plot by Ahmed Ressam to bomb Los Angeles International Airport (Ressam was arrested at US Canadian border)
2000 Failed USS The Sullivans bombing that was refueling in the port of Aden, Yemen. (Jan 3, 2000)
2000 Bombing USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, 17 U.S. Navy sailors murdered (Oct 12, 2000)(The USS Cole was not engaged in any combat during this period)
2000 Bombing plaza across from US Manila Embassy (Dec 30, 2000)
2001 9/11 attacks: World Trade Center, Flight 93, Pentagon, 3000+ murdered (Sept 11, 2001)
Were the DC snipers caucasian, blue eyed, Christians crusading on your behalf too?

According to the rules of the Senate, McConnell does indeed control votes and committee assignments among other things. Remember, the Senate Republicans elected McConnell after the 2010 election, just like the Senate Dems elected Reid. So, by those vites, they do indeed control their respective Senate caucuses.

Everyone is playing politics. If they weren’t we would have had a deal long time ago. Obama is trying to get re-elected, no question. Boehner is trying to retain his speakship. Most republicans want a two or 3 step deal so the time leading up to the election is spent on the debt and debt ceiling issue to try to insure that Obama is a one term president. Not one politician is interested in what’s good for the country. The entire House is running for re-election, Obama is running for re-election. Mitch McConnell has made it clear that the number one priority is to make Obama a one term president and also insuring that the republicans regain the majority in the Senate. It’s all about poliics from all sides of the isle.

Oddly, Reid’s proposal was introduced before Boehner’s. Both are awful, but Boehner’s is a kick the can solution that puts a short term fix and then leaves it to a commission/Super Congress so as to make it not his fault next year. Reid’s takes it off the table for the 2012 campaign by enacting a piece of legislation a little more forward looking and long term.

Both are unbalanced one-sided approaches that completely ignore the need to increase revenues while reducing spending.

Keep in mind that for budget purposes a tax cut is an expenditure and must be balanced under the now dead “pay-go” rules.

Yet again, both sides are cowardly and only interested in the next election.

There’s a difference between being minority whip and actually being able to ensure that the other republican senators will follow his lead. I’m saying that he doesn’t have control of his party, he’s only the elected leader. There is a large difference, since having control means you can ensure that your senators vote the way you want them to.

There’s a difference between being minority whip and actually being able to ensure that the other republican senators will follow his lead. I’m saying that he doesn’t have control of his party, he’s only the elected leader. There is a large difference, since having control means you can ensure that your senators vote the way you want them to.

Except that the Republican leadership has made it clear that the next election is the priority. Ask McConnell and Cantor. It is all they care about.

Both sides are doing a bad job and lying about it. Both.

Except that the Republican leadership has made it clear that the next election is the priority. Ask McConnell and Cantor. It is all they care about.

Both sides are doing a bad job and lying about it. Both.

Four Americans captured by Somali pirates while sailing in the
Indian Ocean have been shot and killed, NBC News reported Tuesday.The two couples, Phyllis Macay, 59, and Robert Riggle, 67, of
Seattle, and the yacht’s owners, Jean and Scott Adam of Marina del Rey,
California, were on an around-the-world sailing trip when they were
captured by pirates Friday.

Pirate leader Farah, speaking from Bayla, a pirate haven in the
northern semi-autonomous region of Puntland, vowed to avenge the deaths
and capture of his comrades. “I lost the money I invested and my comrades. No forgiveness for the
Americans. Revenge. Our business will go on,” he said, adding he had
spent $110,000 so far in the hijacking, including on weapons and food
and salaries.

MOMBASA, Kenya, April 12 — An American captain held hostage for five
days by Somali pirates in a lifeboat adrift in the Indian Ocean was
rescued unharmed Sunday in a surprise U.S. military operation in which
snipers killed three pirates with the captain tied up just feet away,
American military officials said. A fourth pirate was in U.S. custody.

The First Barbary War (1801–5), also known as the Barbary Coast War or the Tripolitan War, was the first of two wars fought between the United States and the North African Berber Muslim states known collectively as the Barbary States. These included the quasi-independent Sultanates in the middle and western coastal regions of North Africa—what is now Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya. They were the scourge of the Mediterranean. Capturing merchant ships and enslaving or ransoming their crews provided the Muslim rulers of these nations with wealth and naval power.

Muslim terrorists killed thousands. Norway terrorists killed 76.

Four Americans captured by Somali pirates while sailing in the
Indian Ocean have been shot and killed, NBC News reported Tuesday.The two couples, Phyllis Macay, 59, and Robert Riggle, 67, of
Seattle, and the yacht’s owners, Jean and Scott Adam of Marina del Rey,
California, were on an around-the-world sailing trip when they were
captured by pirates Friday.

Pirate leader Farah, speaking from Bayla, a pirate haven in the
northern semi-autonomous region of Puntland, vowed to avenge the deaths
and capture of his comrades. “I lost the money I invested and my comrades. No forgiveness for the
Americans. Revenge. Our business will go on,” he said, adding he had
spent $110,000 so far in the hijacking, including on weapons and food
and salaries.

MOMBASA, Kenya, April 12 — An American captain held hostage for five
days by Somali pirates in a lifeboat adrift in the Indian Ocean was
rescued unharmed Sunday in a surprise U.S. military operation in which
snipers killed three pirates with the captain tied up just feet away,
American military officials said. A fourth pirate was in U.S. custody.

The First Barbary War (1801–5), also known as the Barbary Coast War or the Tripolitan War, was the first of two wars fought between the United States and the North African Berber Muslim states known collectively as the Barbary States. These included the quasi-independent Sultanates in the middle and western coastal regions of North Africa—what is now Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya. They were the scourge of the Mediterranean. Capturing merchant ships and enslaving or ransoming their crews provided the Muslim rulers of these nations with wealth and naval power.

Muslim terrorists killed thousands. Norway terrorists killed 76.

I know this is difficult, so let’s try again – McConnell is the minority leader in the Senate, not the whip. Leader. As in leader. And that gives him a level of power in the Senate based on the rules. No, he cannot control their votes, but he can take away committee assignments if he wants.

Yawnnnn…..

What’s the color of the sky in your world?  It seems an awfully angry and confused world.

The ratings services very much care about the debt ceiling… you should try reading a newspaper every now and then.

Pardon me, leader, not whip. But HE STILL CAN’T GUARANTEE HOW HIS CAUCUS CAN VOTE! If he takes away assignments because they don’t do what he wants, that would weakens his position. It’s hard to imagine anything weakening his position more than he already has with his Obama soundbytes, but Harry Reid was reelected, so who knows? But McConnell certainly can’t guarantee that he can muster filibuster. He’s already got senators that have crossed the aisle. We aren’t talking politics in a vacuum. We’re talking about them as they are today.

Health Care passed by a margin of one vote; not a single Republican voted Yea, and several Democrats voted “Nay.”  The issue with Health Care was the number of political deals that the leadership struck (Nebraska, Louisiana, etc) to ensure its passage.

Although I suspect we don’t agree on much, I do have one thing to say to you, Semper Fi, Mac. I was a “Hollwood Marine”, no sand fleas for me. Platoon 2031, 1969.

It goes far beyond that little phrase. We have been inundated by the media about the cost of the Iraq, and Afghanistan wars and almost nothing about the horrendous annual costs of supporting illegal alien parasites, let alone, the criminal aspects. You can fallow the money on this issue. Many are making money off of shafting legal American citizens!

And both sides are only interested in reelections and lying about it. Both.

My question for you is: Which side’s road to reelection is more likely to benefit the country?

Since I’m sure that you don’t know the history behind the 1979 Embassy seizure in Tehran. The US & the UK in all of it’s goodness did away with the rightful democratically elected government of Iran in 1953. And installed our friend the Shah who held his people with our help, (we taught his secret police to kill. So basically we held the nation of Iran) hostage from 1953 to 1979. Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the process. Again all for a three letter word   OIL

Also since I’m sure that you don’t know. In 1983 Lebanon was in the midst of a Civil War….with 3 sides to it. Maronite Catholic Christians, Druze Muslims, and Shiite Muslims. You should also know that any nation that has been invaded by others likes to have those invaders out. Hint watch the movie Red Dawn.

You also need to know we the US now have “Death Squads” operating in 160 nations around the world. We now have become what we hated the most…Terrorists.

We have killed over ONE MILLION in Iraq. We have used banned “kerosene napalm” to burn the skins of women and children while they  are alive. Also we have used Depleted Uranium which will either kill or cause birth defects for the next 4.5 BILLION years. Again all for a three letter word OIL. Before you think it’s just in Iraq, it’s also why we’re in Afghanistan. You see we invaded them for OIL, Cheney’s company wanted to build a pipeline through Afghanistan but they wanted more than the $150 Million that was being offered. That’s also why we’re bombing Pakistan. So a Pipeline from Kazakhstan to the Persian Gulf can be built.

Also check and see just how many democratically elected Presidents in Latin America were “assassinated” by the CIA.

In the early 80′s we helped Saddam fight the Iranians, even giving him poison gas. Rumsfeld even was the guy Reagan sent to see him. We helped kill ONE MILLION Iranians.

Before Saddam invaded Kuwait he even asked Bush Sr for permission . He acquiesced only to later to fight against him.

Mr.Boehner wasn’t making a “cheap shot”, everything Obama says from a few months back including all the “fund raising functions” are all about his RE-ELECTION.  He needs a billion dollars remember? Can’t run on his record.
You think what Obama wants other than more money is because he cares about the well being of the country or the well-being of the moderate vote, the black vote, the hispanic vote.  Maybe one day he will stop putting us in his little categories and worry about the AMERICAN VOTE.

Pablo
you no speakee de english too good.  Why were you using subjunctive mood when you were actually accusing the President? You should have said “If Obama wasn’t making …”  Welcome to America.
Learn the language.

Boner does have a drinking problem. he grew up in a bar. He has never missed a happy hour in all his years in Washington. He passes on State Dinners because they don’t bring drinks fast enough and he doesn’t want wine anyway. So yeah- he’s a drunkj.

fewlix
were you born that stupid? President Obama has agreed to cuts but the wealthy had a part in runnning up the debt and need to chip in too- nobody rides for free bubba- ass,grass, or gas

dildo cjdohio
The debt limit has to last more than 6 months or we lose our credit rating- we’ll probably lose it anyway because of the tea baggers and their BS- trying to avoid tax increases and now all interest rates will go up more than the few points in taxes they would have paid.  Are all dumbasses in ohio brain dead?

buckaroo
The whole world of economists got it wrong but you- living in your mother’s basement- have the edge on all those people who don’t understand high finance?  Sure you do.