Yeah, and that someone is Obama!

Obama’s approval rating among independent voters is now down to 31%.  And his approval rating among Democrats is now only 77%.   His approval rating has fallen around 25% in key demographic groups — younger voters, college-educated voters, etc.

The end result of this can be easily predicted.   Democrats will need to find another candidate or face a major defeat in next year’s election.  The smarter Democrats have already started to realize it, but only a few have started to say what they are thinking.  But watch for more dissent in the ranks in the coming weeks.

Hey Joe, you want to see clueless?
Look to your right!!

RESIST WE MUCH!

Worst president in the history of this country. MSNBC can no longer hide the incompetence.

Someone? Heh.

STILL no sleeves for poor Mika!?!

well, this is what repubicans wanted to do.

they wanted to destroy him, and they have succeeded in doing that.

now, regardless, it’s becoming more and more apparent that obama is not a leader.

but what’s even more apparent is that limbaugh and his ilk are rooting for
america’d destruction.

just like joe said.  

Nope; Limbaugh and other thinking Americans were rooting for Obama’s failure so we’d avoid situations like this.  14+ trillion in debt and Obama spent his first 2 years pushing for another huge entitlement program.  The guy is a complete moron and the downturn is a direct result of his idiotic, socialist agenda.  Can’t the liberals see that Europe is in turmoil and going broke due to the very same type of policies?  Are they really that dumb or do they crave the destruction of the US?

I love how criticizing THIS president means you’re somehow rooting for the destruction of America,. While it was the height of patriotism to HATE the last president. 

REPUDIATE!

I love the way the entire Right wing has to sit there and LIE about Obama EVERYDAY in order to gain any type of support for their agenda.  Or their side. I don’t think anyone really supports their agenda that isn’t already  die hard fan of stupidity. 

We just went through 8 years of Bush and you’re trying to tell us that Obama is the worst in history?

Are you CRAZY? Like they say: that dog don’t hunt!

“but what’s even more apparent is that limbaugh and his ilk are rooting for
america’d destruction.”

That isn’t fair to say and I don’t think you honestly believe that.  If you are referencing his “I hope he fails” remark, you either don’t understand what that statement means or you are ignoring its meaning.  He hopes Obama’s extension of socialistic policies fails.  I am probably about 150 degrees different than you in ideology, but I don’t believe that you want to “destroy” America, you just have a different worldview than I.

He destroyed his own presidecy by persuing socialist redistributive policy and by his own rote incompentence. We, unfortunately, were just along for the ride(theft).

You want Obama and his policies?  Look no further than Greece, Italy, hey, just look at California.

It sure is nasty over here on the Drudge report

“Are there any other comparisons?” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Joe, are you serious?

You can’t take Joe serious because he has been bashing the President since day one through the good and the bad and now he is going through a rough patch and he is piling on.

F you Joe. You have no one to lead and you never will.

The Right doesn’t want a nanny state, but they want Obama to fix EVERYTHING.

Even though the free market and business people are the gods that they worship they are praying to Obama.

Better look at the electoral map.He has a good chance. Especially facing  the worst opposing field in history.JEB BUSH WOULD HAVE HAD THE BEST CHANCE OF COURSE THE ONLY THING IS HIS BROTHER DESTROYED THIS COUNTRY.NO MATTER WHO WAS ELECTED  THAT KIND OF DAMAGE WILL TAKE YEARS  TO REPAIR.SO REPUCLICANS YOUR GONNA HAVE TO FACE THE FACTS.HE IS AND MOST LIKELY WILL BE YOUR PRESIDENT THRU 2016 UNLESS YOU CAN UPGRADE FROM THE LIKES OF BACHMANN AND COMPANY.THE COUNTRY WILL NOT ELECT ANY OF THESE CANIDATES.FIND SOMEONE NEW OR ITS OVER.RICK PERRY THE C AND D STUDENT NEED NOT APPLY.GOODLUCK.I AM A PROUD INDEPENDENT.

Joe Scarbourogh saying he doesn’t agree with the prez… WOW? I’m shocked. THis president WILL win reelection handily. That’s why all of you are crying so loud this morning. It’s inevitable. Suka what? 

This really was one of the most honest analyses I’ve seen of Obama from MSNBC.  I wish they, along with the rest of the MSM would have looked at him with a more critical eye during the first 2.5 years.  We may have been able to stop some of the turmoil that we are now facing.

This really was one of the most honest analyses I’ve seen of Obama from MSNBC.  I wish they, along with the rest of the MSM would have looked at him with a more critical eye during the first 2.5 years.  We may have been able to stop some of the turmoil that we are now facing.

Obama is destroying himself with his policies and ineptness - republicans aren’t strong enough yet to do him much harm.  Our “ilk” want this country to thrive.  The only destruction we want is that of the liberal democrat policies that put America in the position she’s in now.

oh i see, spending was SUCH a big problem that numerous republicans, including
michelle bachmann, gleefully accepted stimulus funding to target investments in 
their districts.

and what “entitlement program” do you speak of?  affordable care act?

you mean that massive giveaway to private insurance companies and big pharma?

please, if you wouldn’t mind:

1.  define socialism

2.  name a socialist policy of obama’s

can you name a single instance of a “socialist redistributive” policy?

name ONE (but it has to be socialistic)

Fact: Huh what?

What is it with you leftists and capital letters?  Do you all need a class in where the caps lock key is located? 

well the only thing that will get us out of this is a massive jobs program, FDR style

which you guys are ostensibly opposed to….

but will gladly accept (behind closed doors)

I’m not sure you even believe that, Barry’s ship has sailed.

Fact: Blah blah blah Obama.

Fact: Yes worse than Jimmy Carter!

republicans control this little thing called the HOUSE

yeah, when you were -4  years old

the late 70s were a fantastic time, btw

Does anyone know what Obama grades where at any level of school. Millions of dollars to hide something.

Fact: Obama said that they control everything that comes out of the Whitehouse and that is why he has destroyed himself!

It’s not his Socialistic policies but his Marxist rhetoric and his failed implementation of failed Keynesian economics that contribute to his downfall.

“they wanted to destroy him, and they have succeeded in doing that.”

No, dear, he and the Dems self-destructed once they got in power as libs always do.

Resist We Much!

I’d have to say Carter was the worst, even moreso than Obama (so far).  At least under Obama, Bin Laden was killed and so were a couple of Somali pirates.  Carter totally blew the Iran hostage situation, and his rescue attempt resulted in sheer failure and American deaths.

Barry: “In light of all my recent successes, I have decided I have earned this vacation, and rest assured, that while I’m on vacation, my focus will be on jobs!”

Fact: MSMBC needs revenue to bad Obama’s bunch is on the downgraded side of the equation.

can you name any other major “failures” of carter’s besides the hostages?

i’m not being facetious.  i really would like to know….

because you, like just4thefax, weren’t even alive yet.  

What’s wrong? Your welfare check late? Your unemployment check late? Your Section 8 housing subsidy late?Your food stamps late?

His downfall? The biggest downfall, per the polls, is with the republican members of congress who are setting records for lowest ratings ever.

Obama destroyed himself, by destroying our country. But hey, I don’t expect partisans to look at the situation objectively. If they did, the community organizer communist would never have been elected.

Auto bailouts, stimulus package, health care bill that in 15 years will have just about everyone on the government plan unless it’s repealed. There’s three, anyone else?

Gosh, let’s see……WIC? Earned Income Credit? Massive takeover of the car companies (no, wait, that’s corporatism, a feature of facism)….gosh, I just can’t think of any. 

the affirmative action experiment has failed. Sorry – he’s going down.

Barry who?

AP reports today that US deficit tops $1 trillion for 3rd straight year?  Guess who has been president during this time?

It also says that for 2008, the last full year Bush was in office, the deficit was  $455 billion.

LOL

You lose!

Oh yea you love it because it’s the most aligned with Fox news. Joe? Really. Just because he doesn’t use racism and hatred doesn’t mean he isn’t out to destroy the prez

the auto bailouts actually worked.  the stimulus package, like i said, is NOT socialism.  not
even close.  and even if it was socialism, numerous republicans gleefully accepted stimulus
money to create jobs in their own states.  the health care bill was a massive giveaway to
private companies (and not socialism).

so, you failed on 2 out of 3 . and with the one you got right?  well, it worked.  

takeover of the car companies??  do you know what % of those companies the gov owns?

tell us, please.  enlighten us.  

oh, so now he’s a communist.  

which i suppose makes the republicans who accepted stimulus funding communists, too

nice one frank!

…obozo is an empty suit…and joe blow crys the blues…

The first can be done by simply looking at any dictionary, it is a waste of time.  Although he may actually be more of a corporatist with socialist tendencies.

To your second point, the examples are numerous but here’s one from the past few days.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOVERNMENT_HOME_RENTALS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-10-13-18-31

And to one of the biggest examples; Obamacare.  Sure it isn’t the single-payer socialist system that Canada now has, but that doesn’t mean that isn’t Obama’s goal.  See this video for undeniable proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

can you name any other major “failures” of carter’s besides the hostages?i’m not being facetious. i really would like to know….”

Your joking, right?

Try 13% inflation and 21.5% interest rates.

Carter’s administration had the highest “Misery Index” ever recorded!

Misery Index = Unemployment rate + Inflation rate

How would you know whether I was alive or not?  I voted for Gerald Ford in that election.  The interest on my car loan was 18% and there was gas rationing.  Nobody could afford their heating bills so Carter told us to wear a sweater (kind of like Obama telling us to put air in our tires).  So get a clue kid, Billy was the brains in the Carter family!

” well the only thing that will get us out of this is a massive jobs program, FDR style”

Uhm, you do realize that the “FDR style” jobs program didn’t end or even ease the Great Depression, right?

The only thing that stopped the Great Depression was the beginning of WWII.  That’s it.

Hoover increased the size and spending of the federal governemnt, and yet the Great Depression still began.  FDR increased government size and spending EXPONENTIALLY, and yet the Great Depression continued unabated.

Hitler “fixed” the Great Depression, not FDR, so it’s puzzling why you, or anyone, would think we need another “massive jobs program, FDR style”.

ObamaCare; ever heard of it?  You know, the plan Obama’s attornies are defending in Federal court claiming the health mandate is allowable because it’s a “tax”.  BTW, I thought Obama said he wouldn’t raise taxes on anyone making less than $250K by “even one penny” so how can he mandate a health tax with a straight face, unless he’s a liar?

You gotta cut back on the coffee dave.

Quit lying TruDat you weren’t even alive to vote for GWBush because you are only 7!!!  7 I tell you!!!  lol

Now DarlaLoon is psychic and can tell what year you were born through the computer.

So, the fact that he can’t inspire confidence, remains aloof about important issues, shows no sense of urgency about economic panic, speaks in generalities about every subject, presents no plans or budgets and brushes off the deaths of many of the men who got Bin Laden….  those are things that can be blamed on Republicans?

Explain how Republicans are to blame for these “qualities”.  There isn’t an explanation other than that’s who he is.  Ineffectual.

So, the fact that he can’t inspire confidence, remains aloof about important issues, shows no sense of urgency about economic panic, speaks in generalities about every subject, presents no plans or budgets and brushes off the deaths of many of the men who got Bin Laden….  those are things that can be blamed on Republicans?

Explain how Republicans are to blame for these “qualities”.  There isn’t an explanation other than that’s who he is.  Ineffectual.

Darlaloon, you said name socialistic policies.  They were named.  Whether they “worked” or not is irrelevant.  Much like your posts.  The American tax payer has LOST on the auto bailouts.  The bailouts may have helped the companies themselves, but they’d actually be much better off if they were allowed to go through the bankruptcy courts.  As would the shareholders.  0bama redistributed the bailout money (taxpayer’s money) to his union buddies.

Darlaloon, you said name socialistic policies.  They were named.  Whether they “worked” or not is irrelevant.  Much like your posts.  The American tax payer has LOST on the auto bailouts.  The bailouts may have helped the companies themselves, but they’d actually be much better off if they were allowed to go through the bankruptcy courts.  As would the shareholders.  0bama redistributed the bailout money (taxpayer’s money) to his union buddies.

Do a little research on the Little Red School he attended.  And his mentors growing up.  Avowed communists.

Do a little research on the Little Red School he attended.  And his mentors growing up.  Avowed communists.

How have the Republicans destroyed Obama?  From what I’ve seen these last couple of years, Obama has done a really good job of destroying himself with his “professorial” attitude.  He can’t give a speech without a teleprompter, and even then his tone during his speeches makes it sound like he is better than everyone else.  He waits days to talk to the general public on any disaster such as the BP spill, the credit downgrade, etc. 

Obama had better hope it doesn’t rain in Martha’s Vineyard or where ever the hell he is this week, because if it does rain he will drown since his nose is stuck way up in the air.

The biggest one of all, control of the energy markets through the ‘green’ fraud initiatives. These policies hurt poor people the most. A despicable power grab by the progressive left and a remnant from our friends at Enron.

In light of all of your bad news today (Mr. Jeffs being transferred to TDC custody today to begin serving out his Life+ sentence; the market recouping today; more T-Partee Congressman financial scandals;

Böner’s devastating, embarrassing approval numbers; Communist England’s street violence seeming to have quelled a bit, as least for the moment, I am pleased you had this chance to mindlessly bash our president. Perhaps, you’ll hit a trifecta today and also be able to scream at an elderly woman in a wheel chair and kick a Dalmatian. That would be a great day for you!

CORPSE-MAN!

No one has to go out of their way to ‘destroy’ this president – he is doing a great job all by himself.

Sad, but true.

But the America haters like Lard Limbaugh and their hapless devotees shall not prevail.

We shall fight in the buffet lines, we shall fight at the drive up windows, we shall fight in the restaurants and cafes, we shall fight at Baskin Robbins; we shall fight at the drug store prescription line; we shall never surrender.

You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory,
victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however
long and hard the road may be.

What’s your point??  I assume you can perform basic math; Rep’s have the house, dem’s have the senate and the White House - that is a 2 to 1 advantage against the republicans.  Plus they have only had the house for a few months, while the dems had control of both houses for Obama’s 1st two years.  It was during those 2 years that most of the damage was done.  I suspect you’re just being provocative to get a little attention, but if you are not your arguments just make you ignorant.

This President’s legacy isn’t likely to be celebrated in coming years, but still has a chance, though slim, to turn opinion around by intelligently changing the direction of his administration. He’s shown a deaf ear in this regard. He needs to shuffle his cabinet and his top staff. Surrounding himself with idealoges and incompetents hasn’t worked. If he doesn’t see that and make changes both in personnel and policy he’s doomed in 2012.

Fsnook name a contender u right wing pig.I bet you said nothing while bush destroyed the country.I am a independent.Typical dumb trailer trash republican..

name a single tax and/or regulation that is hurting american businesses right now

Don’t confuse the 80′s with the 70′s if you need a little help I offer you Jimmy’s famous Malaise Speech..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IlRVy7oZ58

That would be the entire congress at historically low ratings.  And well deserved.  It’s funny how you leftists like to blame congress for gov’t failures when a Dimocrat is in the White House, but heap praise on the Dimocrat president for congressional successes. 

and if you can remember the late 60′s you weren’t there

You can find a poll to say anything you want.  For instance:

(Rasmussen)
— More voters still think the average Tea Party member has a better
handle on America’s problems than the average member of Congress does,
but there’s a sharp difference of opinion between Democrats and
Republicans.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey
finds that 42% of all Likely U.S. Voters believe the average member of
the Tea Party has a better understanding of the problems America faces
today, while 34% think the average member of Congress is more clued in.
Twenty-four percent (24%) are undecided.

Let’s not forget that this A-hole Obamo threw the SEALS under the bus…the same SEALS whose heroic job Obamo declared he did by himself.

So you’re one of the measly 31% of I’s that haven’t abandoned Obama?  The other 69% wised up quickly. 

Dude, Obama just went head to head with the republicans on the right and smoked them like a discreet camel on the White House roof. The public is clearly disgusted with what the republicans have been doing and they suspect that the republicans do not have the best interests of our country at heart. 2012 will be their great judgment, and when the smoke clears, there will be Obama with strong majorities in both houses and a mandate to finally implement his policies that have been mostly symied by the party of “no” so far. 

Well, given the state of our economy, it’s not surprising that congress has expremely low approval ratings. That doesn’t change the fact that the President’s numbers also are getting worse by the day. Obama’s lack of leadership will be his downfall.

Repudiate is actually a word.  I think you were looking for refudiate?  nice try, but FAIL.

Pretty hard for a dem to admit he doubts the Pres when it makes him a racist to do so.

well said

To reply to your auto bailout question: They failed miserably – the US and Canada own about 72% of GM. I bought Ford stock and have made a nice little profit (even with the stock plunging the past few days), they were the only car company that did not take bailout funds. 
Socialist policy: mandated healthcare governed by the IRS.

You are a f^cking idiot !

“The only thing that stopped the Great Depression was the beginning of WWII.”

In other words, the hugest FDR-style jobs program of them all.

Still, when you’ve lost Joe Scarboro, you’ve lost the American people…except when you haven’t.

“The only thing that stopped the Great Depression was the beginning of WWII.”

In other words, the hugest FDR-style jobs program of them all.

Still, when you’ve lost Joe Scarboro, you’ve lost the American people…except when you haven’t.

You could just read Dreams From My Father, actually.

In many ways, I dread the election. Not because President Obama might lose. I’m not sure I would be that upset about his loss. To be sure, I’ll vote for him. There is, after all, nothing but a series of worse choices. He has been every bit as conservative as I expected he would be when I voted for him in 2008. And, while President Obama clearly pulled us back from the W and Big D#ck precipice, his conservatism has slowed the recovery. True, President Obama is dealing with the most self-absorbed, one issue Congress we have had in decades, but he is too conciliatory, too willing to compromise. He values compromise too much. As with all ideologues, these are not serious people, and they do not deserve to be treated seriously. Joe is correct. President Obama trips over the optics, far, far too much. He needs to stay in Washington. While he can’t require Congress to reconvene, he should demand it reconvene. If Congress refuses, he has scored some political points and the Republican Congress will fall into even greater disrepute until it becomes an albatross around any Republican candidate’s neck. If Congress returns, there is, of course some hope we can begin working on serious job creation legislation. I realize it is unlikely that this Congress will do anything significant in the next year. But, I do still have hope in our process and in the fact that the American people are tiring of the acrimony, the inefficiency and the lack of productivity. If nothing else, having Congress back in Washington will give the American people a focus for their understandable outrage. In the days leading up to Böner’s wretched 98% bill, people were flooding Congressional offices with their outage, tying up phone lines, crashing the network. In safe, gerrymandered districts, our Representatives, at least, our Representatives of both parties and all ideologies can cowering in dens of praise and affirmation. In Washington, that’s not as easy.

Wait wait wait, not so fast.  Do you abandon the position that Obama doesn’t have socialist policies?  We’ll do this one at a time like reasonable individuals.

You are a f*cking idiot !

lol ouch!  Looks like Palin’s at least a little brighter than Yy!

Ahhh, another MSM and DNC drone.  They’ve got you hook, line and sinker.

Right wing pig, I like it!  I see you finally learned to turn off the caps lock key.  If you are an independent, name ONE Republican or non Democrat that you’ve voted for your entire life.  I’ll be waiting.

typically when you rooting for a president to fail your rooting for them to get booted out office, the only way to get booted out of office is by election or impeachment

Since impeachment is a joke  its by election, the only reason people don’t reelect a president is if they think the country is failing, usually economically, or its threatened by an outside power

Since Bind Laden was killed on Obama’s watch that puts the National Security issue out of reach as far as politics goes, ergo the only way to get Obama out of office is if the economy is bad, if the economy is booming in nov of 2012 its pretty much a guarantee he gets reelected, therefore on a secondary level the ones rooting that Obama be voted out have to hope the economy stays bad

you may not like Scarborough’s reasoning but its not hard to follow it either

 

Huh?

To Obama, those SEALS were nothing but a photo-op and a bump in the polls.  He has no use for our military.  Don’t forget that it was Obama and his late buddy Murtha that insisted our military are just killing civilians.  I’m sure Murtha could use an ice pack about now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S26C-rxIVW8

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/murtha-haditha-marines-iraq/2010/02/08/id/349314

so theatrical

of course you have a well reasoned, logical, and factual argument to say why he was worse then Tyler, Buchanan and Pierce, just to name a few.

Otherwise some might get the impression you didn’t know what you were talking about

It’s obvious what your grades were you illiterate moron.

Obama fans, there is some good news.  A Gallup poll shows that Obama has a 80% approval rating among Muslims — far out-stripping his support from any other religious group.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/muslim-americans-give-obama-80-percent-a

” If Congress refuses, he has scored some political points and the
Republican Congress will fall into even greater disrepute until it
becomes an albatross around any Republican candidate’s neck.”

That’s all it is to you guys anymore.  Damn the state of our nation, how’s this gonna bode for on Obama.

Cheese doodles?  Mom’s basement?  huh what?  Did you change your underwear this week?

Bad news? Jeffs going to TDC IS a great thing! He’s a sexual prediter. Market going up, a positive. Having a president that doesn’t belong there is not good. Oh yea, I haven’t heard of any Tea Party member that has a scandel going on. If they are a professional politician in the legislation they areen’t Tea Party. They would be a radical lefty. So you go walk your dog and after that, read the constitution, Bill of Rights, & the fedralist papers. If you don’t agree with those documents, Leave my country & go to the mid east.

Bad news? Jeffs going to TDC IS a great thing! He’s a sexual prediter. Market going up, a positive. Having a president that doesn’t belong there is not good. Oh yea, I haven’t heard of any Tea Party member that has a scandel going on. If they are a professional politician in the legislation they areen’t Tea Party. They would be a radical lefty. So you go walk your dog and after that, read the constitution, Bill of Rights, & the fedralist papers. If you don’t agree with those documents, Leave my country & go to the mid east.

Give me a freakin’ BREAK!!!  Joe talks out of both sides of his mouth…oh he’s so SAD.  The President isn’t a LEADER.  He never mentioned the SEALS.  Of course, the President flew to VA and met with the Seals family PRIVATELY so it didn’t have to be a giant f’ing media circus and then Joe (and Rush and the oh so serious and sad) nimrods accused him of ‘secret meetings’.  GROW UP.  This country needs HELP and the constant chorus of ‘he’s no leader, he’s not doing what I want him to do, if I were him’…isn’t helping.  GET OFF your dead butts and work FOR THE COUNTRY instead of this faux ‘sadness’…

‘Policy’ does not mean ‘policies’. Equivocate much. “spread the wealth around”

I don’t know, Chuck.  Your prescription sounds alot like panic to me.  And panic never works; moreover, that ain’t Barack’s style.   Anyway, like a wholesale shuffling of the White House staff to non-ideological and competent people (like who? Politicians, economists, wall-streeters, big-business: what segment of the elite has really shown lately?) is somehow going to turn around a world-wide economic downturn & reorganization.  What we need right now in this country, more than anything, is to continue shitting the last blood-encrusted vestiges of the Age of Reagan out of our system.

As for the President’s legacy, the most crucial thing is to win re-election.  His poll numbers are still rather amazing given the circumstances (thanks to those dunces in the Tea Party), and if you watch who climbs out of the short bus onto the stage in Iowa tonight, you’ll see he actually has little to fear, but fear itself.

So Obama is dealing with the most self absorbed, one issue Congress we have had in decades? That could be the backlash from having to deal with the most self-absorbed, one issue president for the first 2 years when Dems had all 3 branches of government.
What we have seen in the last few months is not that he values compromise – that’s way to easy of an out. What he has done is back himself into a corner by offering up nothing, no solutions, he has no choices because he brought nothing to the table except a lecture and a reprimand to both parties. This man needs to get out of Washington – he was a useless Senator and now he has proven that when faced with his first real opposition since taking office, he folds.

My Hoover is not as vacuous.

Who paradoxically knows Churchill well.

But, they changed the mood of the country, made it possible for men (largely at that time) to support their families, made us positive and upbeat, and saved us from the worst abuses of socialism and possibly Communism.

In fairness, some of our regulars also gather information from Wikipedia.

I’m sorry, but the fact is, the republicans stated in advance their intention to oppose Obama, to sink him, to deliver him up to a “Waterloo” moment, as their cynical strategy and that can not and will not pan out for them. The polls indicate that the public is aware of what the repubs have been doing and they will not approve in 2012.

I’m sorry, but the fact is, the republicans stated in advance their intention to oppose Obama, to sink him, to deliver him up to a “Waterloo” moment, as their cynical strategy and that can not and will not pan out for them. The polls indicate that the public is aware of what the repubs have been doing and they will not approve in 2012.

No, not at all.  I should have been more precise.  It wasn’t the beginning of WWII that
ended the Depression – the beginning just provided a temporary respite. 
It was the ending of the War that also ended the Depression.

The reason the economy recovered AFTER WWII was the fact that there were close to half a million fewer men in their prime labor age, so the unemployment numbers dropped because there were (literally) fewer people available to work.  Also, the fact that both Europe and Japan needed rebuilding, and the US industrial complex was the only industrial complex that remained intact during the war, contributed greatly to America’s rise as the largest industrial producer on the planet – a title that America would continue to enjoy for generations to come.

Double digit inflation – gas lines a mile long – unemployment -

The truth is that you have more similarities in your attitude with the bad guys we are fighting than our Seals, since you hate their commander in chief.

I often read your posts with some interest because at times when you are not being overly partisan you sometimes bring thoughtfulness and consideration to the debate that I can learn from..  You and I are politically from different sides of the aisle but that does not mean that I can’t appreciate your thought. 

This is far from one of your better efforts, you take cheap shots at both the Bush administration and president Obama..  The president is far from conservative, in assuming his office and the responibility of that office he has become more pragmatic but by no means conservative.

What I see in your post is resignation to the Obama administrations failures and an inability to not lash out at the other side as you fear what will happen in 2012. 

You are right in that Congress should be called back into session, I know that there have been times in my life that situational conditions required me to work for weeks even months on end without days off.  Our men and women overseas do not have such luxury (5 weeks off) and their fight at this moment may be even less important to the American people than is the resolution of the problems we face in DC The President himself would be wise to cancel his vacation, and lay low on his fund raising efforts…  The American people are fed up with our politicans and their sense of entitlement. It is time for our representation to work in earnest at solving the problems of this nation, it is time for DC to give us reason to have faith in our leadership, and faith in what tomorrow will offer.

USS_R, let’s look at GDP numbers, shall we?  Here is a selected series in chained 2005 dollars:

1933 – $716 BN (this was the depth of depression)
1939 – $1,072 BN (the war begins in September & we begin re-arming & selling)
1941 – $1,365 BN (we enter the war in December)
1942 – $1,616 BN
1945 – $2,011 BN (war ends)
1946 – $1,791 BN
1950 – $2,004 BN

Clearly, by any definition, the Depression did not persist through the War.

Your just swimming in your parties stated objective to sink Obama’s presidency and can not understand that a successful president usually means good things for the country.

Obama has ALWAYS been an empty suit.

I voted for Obama, and thought he was a very smart man. He did so well academically, and was a successful community organizer, yet now I’m having second thoughts. He acts as though he’s been insulated from real life and real people. I realize that Republicans have always been the national security experts, that’s a given, and Obama seams to just not care about anything military related. I think his on the job training has been a failure, there, and just about every other aspect.

Speaking of clueless, how about that Mika Brzezinski ……

Your criticism is not unfair.

Ah yes, the “venerable” GDP numbers.  Of course that Gross Domestic Product is including the BORROWED money spent by the government during WWI, and does NOT reflect an increase in productivity from the private sector.

This is what liberals always fail to understand or acknowledge.  The government has never and will never create wealth.  It’s a parasite.

Your GDP numbers prove, not disprove, my point.

Today, Obama could crank up the printing-presses and print six or seven TRILLION dollars and “invest” it back into the economy.  People like you would then say, “See, GDP has increased under Obama”, when in fact all he has done is borrow money from future generations and devalued the current monetary supply.

This is the fallacy of how the government measures GDP.

Why is anybody listening to Joe S?  He’s another slime-filled character with no character.  He shouldn’t be allowed in the public media until he comes clean about the disturbing events in his political office.  Adultery? Murder?  I don’t know.  He’s never admitted to anything. 
I like Obama and respect him.  He’s gotten more accomplished for the good of this country than any number of two termed presidents. Get facts, google him.  He’s brought truth and transparency to the presidency and the world.  You’re fooling yourself if you think we’ll get better representation by any of the Repubthugs on the upcoming ticket.  

I don’t think you understand that the determining factor of whether or not it is good for the country is how you define said “success”.  I guarantee you that Obama’s definition and mine couldn’t by further apart.

I never said I hated Barry, in fact I think he’s got quite an engaging personality.  The fact of the matter is, his stated policies are dangerous for this country and have been proven to be so.

Yes. That someone is Obama and all his aides.
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And then I am just being polite towards him. You could easily make the case that Obama sees the US as the oppressor and thus wants its power diminished. That is best done by destroying the economy.

WOW, even a cursory review of the comments here paint a very disheartening picture of the state of civility in our country. I am an Obama supporter but I, like many, have been disappointed in how he is running this country. There is plenty of blame to go around but when you are the LEADER, you must lead. I wish people who care so much about this, and seem to spend a lot of time posting and responding to negative comments (on both sides) and would instead funnel even a miniscule amount of that passion into doing something productive, we could have a great country DESPITE the leadership void. More people voting…more people getting involved in their own community — and less people sitting on the sidelines playing Monday morning quarterback with their blowhard opinions based on RNC and DNC talking points or made up BS.

If we as a society cannot even agree to disagree and to do so with a little respect for one another, how can we expect the leaders we elect to do any better?

Gesundheit!

Question:  What is the “American Philosophy?”

We need to answer that question before our Nation can consider going anywhere near forward.

When I was young, this question  seemed like, a simple proposition, as the differences between Democrats and Republicans were not great, and MOST American’s loved their country, our history and our purpose.

Something has happened where half of America seems to desire a new course, a new Philosophy based on people and an ideology that was at one time considered anathema to Americans.

The other half of American’s want to return to the Founders and our Nation’s origin for guidance.

Plato wrote in the “Republic” (400 BC) his allegory of the statue:

An artist fashions a sculpture of the “perfect man.”  However, that mankind cannot provide a real man, to meet the perfection of the Artist’s statue, does such make the Sculpture any less compelling?

In 1787, a disparate group of men created what they believed to be the perfect form of Government.  Yet, in practice, that treatise, at times, fell short of the Founder’s intentions.  Does that make the Constitution any less compelling?

The Artist was left with his perfect sculpture.  However, the Founders left us, their progeny, a Treatise that could adjust and repair itself, as needed.

Purveyor

Stated policies like what? You are unhappy with his decision to stay in Iraq and Afganistan? You didn’t like him taking out Bin Laden, as a priority? I mean he campaigned on reforming healthcare and he was elected by a large majority on that platform, why should he therefore not pursue what he campaigned on? Give me your list of terrible things he has done that are “dangerous”. 

I imagine, given your use of the word ” Repubthugs,” that anything I say to you will go in one ear and out the other, but why didn’t Obama have a clear position on healthcare and try to guide the legislation?  Why didn’t he have a plan for the deficit?  Both resulted in disastrous legislation.  I’ll tell you what happened: he is timid.  All he wants to do is be president.  He lets others decide policy matters, and he concerns himself with the political aspects.  Now he is whining about those TP meanies who wont raise taxes, and he could have raised them all he wanted in the first two years of his presidency when there was a Democrat majority in both houses.  He likes to play is safe and rely on the likes of you to re-elect him no matter what he does or doesn’t do.  And he’ll probably get re-elected.  Maybe by the time he’s done you’ll see him for the charlatan he is.

Wondering how you lead effectively when one entire party seeks to cause you to fail, as a matter of political strategy.

“Of course that Gross Domestic Product is including the BORROWED money spent by the government during WWI, and does NOT reflect an increase in productivity from the private sector.”

Of course, an increase in productivity from the private sector has nothing to do with whether an economy is in a Depression, or not.  It’s all about GDP growth, pretty much by definition.

“Today, Obama could crank up the printing-presses and print six or seven TRILLION dollars and “invest” it back into the economy.”

Actually, he couldn’t.  The Fed could, but regardless, printing money is not what caused the US economy to grow during WWII.  There was a little inflation, but what demonstrates it’s being unexceptional are two things: (1) the GDP numbers above are “chained” to 2005 dollars, and exhibit little inflation above the 60-year trend; and (2) all those freakin’ ships & plans & tanks we built.

“The government has never and will never create wealth.”

That’s just cant.  Of course, the government creates wealth; it performs services for which people pay and are paid.  Or do you mean to say that private-sector service providers don’t create wealth?  Or is it something even more meta than that, like libertarians refuse to recognize those government services as being wealth-producing because taxes (*hiss*) are the payment?  Followed by the secret handshake, of course.

 ”Your GDP numbers prove, not disprove, my point.”

I would just love for you show me how that is so. 

You’re right, I failed at remembering the non-word that Sarah Palin used on national television. Oh yeah and then she tried to defend it on Twitter.

Damn, I feel bad about myself.

. . . there will be Obama with strong majorities in both houses and a mandate
to finally implement his policies that have been mostly stymied by the
party of “no” so far.

What policies are we talking about?  The health care plan that we cannot possibly pay for? 

I went back and re-read my post and I didn’t see anything in it that even remotely related to welfare or hand outs but yet you found the need to bring it up.

Then there is your name – Resident Conservative.  And you wonder why your party is associated with racism and hate for the poor.

Carter could’ve had a big victory with health care.  He had a plan that he campaigned on, then invested considerable political capital on trying to get it to pass.  Edward Kennedy shot it down, saying it did not go “far enough.”  Actually, Kennedy wanted to be remembered as the father of health care.  Kennedy had also killed a Republican health care plan in ’68.  Getting Obama elected was Kennedy’s last ditch effort at bringing universal health care to the U.S.

I think many times it is more important that a leader just do something.  I thought Obama should have let the ‘Bush tax cuts’ expire, and use the money to stop borrowing so much from the damned Chinese.  Now he whines that the right wont agree to tax cuts.  Hell, he should have hosed them when he had the chance.  (What did P.T. Barnum tell us?  Never give a sucker an even break.)  And he should have tried a band-aid, public option health care plan with the idea that it would morph into something more comprehensive over time.  He failed to stand up to the health care industry.  And now he has failed to stand up to the GOP on the debt ceiling.  He just needs to do something.

I can hear you disappointment and am thankful your voter’s remorse is bringing you to realize that pretty speeches aren’t enough, but how do you know Obama did well academically since no one’s been allowed to see any of any of his school records, to include his college records?

You should feel bad about yourself.  You attempted to mock someone and in the process made a mockery of yourself.  Too F’ing funny.  Oh yeah, and you tried to defend your FAIL on Mediaite.  Hahahahaha.

You should feel bad about yourself.  You attempted to mock someone and in the process made a mockery of yourself.  Too F’ing funny.  Oh yeah, and you tried to defend your FAIL on Mediaite.  Hahahahaha.

Val, He’s done far more damage to himself that any of his ‘enemies’ could ever hope to do.  I highlight enemies because he won’t refer to any of America’s actual enemies, as enemies, his STATED enemies are everyday Americans who differ with his viewpoint.  He said so. 

You’re not keeping up Gator- there’s a tea bagger rep. from Georgia who is sueing a bank for lending him and a doofus friend $2.2 million- which they can’t pay back. So this empty headed tea bagger is sueing the bank for lending him the money- claims they should have known he couldn’t pay it back. Those tea baggers are all dumb as a box of rocks.

President Obama’s ratings are not a problem as long as the repugnants plan on running their version of
Larry, Curley and Moe.  Anyone voting for any of the empty headed losers running as Republicans deserve to lose all their money- which is what will happen when tea baggers lower taxes to 0%.

It’s not a health tax doofus. You’re too dumb to live in this country. Go to Iran or iraq or find a nice cave in Afganistan- you’ll be happier there with your own kind- double digit IQ people.

There is no policy named obamacare you racist loser. I hope you get something horrible that your private “health” insurance company won’t pay for.

LOL, financial scandals of TP Congressman? Would that (laughably) be a dispute over alimony pmts?

Have you seen the latest, liberal? Three liberals in NC ARRESTED who admitted they each voted TWICE for the failed president. How many times has this happened across the nation. How many ILLEGAL overseas dollars did Obama receive?, Why is he at historic lows in his poll numbers? Why is is OWN PARTY running away from him?

Say, what about the POUNDING the Left took in WI Tuesday? LOL, 30 MILLION spent and all for nothing! In just 15 months the Left will lose control of the Senate AND the WH as America has finally seen the Emperor has no clothes. But heym lib? It’s OK because your kind will simply chalk OSTUPIDS looming defeat up to a RACIST NATION….right?

LOL, but HOW can Democrats choose another candidate for 2012 without themselves being called RACIST?? I mean isn’t ALL criticism of the totally incapable, hapless, hopeless and clueless Obama met with loud accusations of it being racially motivated?

It’s a riot to sit back and watch the left utterly destroy itself, isn’t it? And it all is happening because with the “new media” the Left can no longer control what Americans see and hear. To the left, the truth is as repugnant as is daylight to a hoard of Cockroaches.