Did you notice how the New York Times proclaimed in a huge headline today that these killings were linked to Christianity?  The rest of the mainstream media is doing the same.  Yet these same news outlets refused to mention the religion of the Ft. Hood shooter, and went out of their way to hide the obvious Islamic connection.  What an obvious double standard!

Of course! The evil liberal media. You poor Christians. Always persecuted. Never persecuting.

 No way he has doubts? Wow who would have guessed that?  This is so surprising to me im not sure what is going on. Heres the game plan watch as the rightwing media and talking heads twist this during the week. They will cry that they are victims of the left mainstream media and attempt to convince people that this man was a lefty. Starts with this guy will continue with rush,glenn,sean,levin.ingrahm,and so on. It will all start with Fox and friends tomorrow morning. Its more predictable than my solar clock.

The only problem is with hatemongers trying to connect him to peoples irrelevant to this nut. His political ties in Norway are irrelevant to the system in the US.

Let me tell you that as a White, male, Christian, I can’t caqtch a break. The deck is stacked against us.

Geez, Bolton, you are the most worthless tool in Rupert’s box. But you make a great rightist extremist. Deny everything. Deny science. Deny history. Deny facts.

United Nations thinking, doing their best to deflect an agenda of one crazy into another.
we still support the United Nations why? oh yeah, world dominance over country and constitution.
 

Now, wouldnt it be nice if we could actually proclaim that ‘there are left and right idiots’ playing on the playground?  Even more so, if we could attempt to find a cure for such madness by meeting in the middle to expose them on both sides……then again, thats to much like doing the right thing, and we know that cant happen!

it’s seems you may be a minority deserving of special rights and entitlements? we will form a committee and take it under advisement during our next election and demographic reportings are in. truly yours, support in washington..

Bolton is a useless piece of crap!!!! Foreign policy expert my ASS!!!!!  Very typical Fox News hack, Just pathetic.  By the way Martha must be sucking on somebody there at Fox this girl is a MORON!!!

“This kind of behavior is very un-Norwegian to say the least.”
Um, that’s why it’s a news story.

Right wing? Breivek is an organic farmer, which makes him a “greenie”, which translates to “progressive”…or not? Anyway, let’s don’t rush to judgement.

Maybe we can send it through Boeher’s new “Super Congress.”

Oddly enough, I think Tea-Baggers would have liked this guy’s ideas. If you read his manifesto, he believes in a lot of the same things. For one, the reason he killed all those teens was because of “marxism” and the fact that Norway was letting in immigrants.

This isn’t so far from the right wing in the US, who hates immigrants, thinks all muslims are “suspect” and screams out communism, socialism, and marxism whenever someone does something they don’t like.

“This kind of behavior is very un-Norwegian to say the least.” And I guess that means Tim McVeigh’s behavior was typically American?  That lying “politically correct” media sure isn’t pulling the wool over John Bolton’s eyes!!!

If I’ve learned anythng from Fox News it’s that John Bolton is always wrong.. and looks like second-rate cartoon character.

Breivek  is an blogger for jihad watch…enough said
 

hate immigrants, really? you know this

john bolton is an radical right wing christian himself …certainly he will stick up  for an  brother  from the templar

Oddly enough – you still have no clue about the tea party you keep denigrating do you?  You just keep flapping with not a clue in your head.  

Or, perhaps you really are referring to tea baggers who have absolutely nothing to do with the tea party.
Which is it sunspot?

This is very far from the Tea party and far right. Also the Far Left. And the Goofy Middle. Seriously. That is just wrong and inappropriate.

 I am none of the above, and I find it amazing how quickly there is an effort to somehow make this about the US political hyper partisan food fight.

Folks, this is about a tragedy of terrorism in Norway, committed by what appears to be a psycho.

I guess you forgot the GOP”s attempt at saying Obama was an immigrant and shouldn’t be president. Most of us have an attention-span longer than a few minutes. Also, it’s the right who created “the minute men” who’s vigilante justice against immigrants has lead to first-degree murder chargs.

The Tea Party was founded on ignorance and it will slowly fade away as it’s members catch on.

illegal immigrants or legal immigrants……….because there is a difference you know

But, that’s the hard truth. Christians are one of the last groups that’s it’s perfectly ok to trash. Meanwhile, papers in the West are terrified to so much run a cartoon of Mohammed or critical of Islam. 

But, that’s the hard truth. Christians are one of the last groups that’s it’s perfectly ok to trash. Meanwhile, papers in the West are terrified to so much run a cartoon of Mohammed or critical of Islam. 

No. It’s a news story because it’s a news story. 80 children slaughtered is news. A massive bomb is news. 

No. It’s a news story because it’s a news story. 80 children slaughtered is news. A massive bomb is news. 

This doesn’t surprise me at all. Bolton pals around with Frank Gaffney, the founder of the Center for Security Policy.  He also helped form the “Project for the New American Century.”

Frank Gaffney’s views almost seem like a cartoon caricature of a neocon, but he believes them. He once accused Grover Norquist (Yeah that guy) of being a pawn of the Muslim Brotherhood.  He believes that CPAC (yeah, that group) is again working with the Muslim Brotherhood to spread Sharia law through out the nation.  He still believes Obama is Muslim and was born in Kenya. (like a lot on here do) And last but not least, he believes that Iraq was behind the Oklahoma City bombing.  If he replace the word Muslim, with the name of a woman, he would have a restraining order on him.

From Hells heart I stab at thee…

He believes that Iraq was behind OKC.  I am not making a joker either.

Classic Fux News…

Yeah, you’re right Boulton, and Iraq was full of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Give it a rest you rightwing looney.

The new Black Panther Party comes to mind.

The news is full of comments from people who know him and know his politics, and you want to make up the lamest form of pretzel logic just so you can paint him as a lefty? What are you doing, only watching Fox news where the motto is “We’re Fair and Balanced, It’s Only the Facts We Leave Out?”

No doubt providing cover for the likes of Pam Geller, a documented hero of the assassin and a Bolton associate.

No doubt providing cover for the likes of Pam Geller, a documented hero of the assassin and a Bolton associate.

Go on, liberals, try to link the murder of innocent children to Christianity.  You only degrade yourself by doing this.   But spare us your next lecture on bigotry….

Leave it to dufus lib ‘journalists’ to buy their own propaganda. It’ called a political ‘spectrum’ for a reason. Simply,  one side would be total government (totalitarianism) and on the other side would be no government (Anarchy). How can you have totalitarianism occupping both ends of any political ‘spectrum’? It then wouldn’t be representative of a political ‘spectrum’. What is represented here is two forms of totalitarianism: Nazi and Communist. Hey Shneider,  it would be nice if you knew the subject matter. Common misuse of the terms (right and left) does not give you a pass to draw bogus connections to conservatives. No wonder lefties are useful idiots for the commies.

And Bolton is soooo credible. Go back to sleep, John.

Spectrum is a handy label, it’s not a literal description. In the French legislature, seating was once circular, based on the premise that if you go far enough to the right, you bump into the far left.

And no, the spectrum does not reflect a transition between too much government and too little (where did you get that?), but more subtle and traditional divisions among political theories.

It doesn’t take much imagination to see how authoritarianism could take root at the outer edges of both the left and the right. History is littered with hundreds of examples, which I’m sure you can google up for yourself.

anarchy is no govt so it cant be the “otherside” I have looked at those charts and anarchy should be separate its like including atheism in a chart about religion since it doesn’t believe that religion exist it should be in the chart.

Hmm, you don’t read Matt Schneider much, do you?

Ah.  The Cleon Skousen theory?  So instead of actually listening to what people who have actually read history and political theory you choose to believe an ex-communicated Mormon and hardcore Bircher?  Makes sense to me.

We liberals are only linking the murders to the GUY WHO DID IT, the fact he’s a Christian is your problem, not ours, the only thing we really know is he is a murdering scumbag

 Yep watch this strategy its right out of the right wing denial playbook.

Instructive outline of European politics from Hans Slomp….

http://spreadhead.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/766px-european-political-spectrumunmodified1.png?w=500&h=390

According to the “Knights Templar 2083″ video by Anders Behring Breivik on YouTube, in addition to being anti-Nazi he also seems to be against multiculturalism, Marxism, and Islam, and thinks the first two will lead to Islam’s domination of Europe, hence the attack on multiculturalist political forces.

Sound familiar?

I don’t remember reading that seating in the French legislature was circular.  

I was taught that the term comes from the French Revolution according to the politics of the members in the National Assembly.

thank you Greg maybe with the chart and colors they will understand it better

 You’re a bigot.

What an ignorant comment.  Honestly you remind me of pee in the snow – that kind of spot.

I haven’t watched a lot of television this weekend, nor have I religiously followed this story, but most of what I’ve read seems to indicate that the camp victims were mostly in their 20s.

He’s an idiot.  Has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about.  Love the fools who agree with him – gives you an indication of their i.q. total – under 100 for the 5 of them together.
Royal Flush we know is down the sewer, the rest just blindly follow.  

Sometimes simply seeing more complication allows one to imagine something new… The polar approach advocated by “real” denotes a naiveté that undermines his call for informed understanding.

You are absolutely right.  The media immediately started the “labelling”.  Has nothing to do with us and ours.  

Remember, if a left winger and/or a Muslim engages in violent behavior against the government or a sector of society, it’s an act of thuggery or terrorism.

When a right winger and/or a Christian commits a similar or worse act, it’s either a righteous act or the result of someone having been oppressed to the point of understandably reaching the snapping point.

I wish all the fucking Christians would stop killing people.

not to me,left or right……murderer

He didnt do it in the name of Christianity as the Islamist terrorist do. His being christian would be something that would have swayed him away from this act. It appears to me his act was that of a Norwegian Nationalist.
 

It would be my understanding the average age of the victims – at the camp – was between 12 – 21. The death toll in Oslo may have been higher from the bomb though

Just wanted to clarify that because I’ve noticed the “20 something” thing being pushed without attribution all around the web

So do ad hominem attacks.

Can’t help but thinking of this article every time Bolton speaks:  http://www.nhgazette.com/display/?id=15

And this classic. Notice how most if not all  are neo-cons or Fox News employees   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTAqUwYHnec

Yosemite Sam

I know your not. 

Bolton is one of those guys about going to war…”You and him go ahead and fight. I’ll hold your coats.”

Thanks.

Speaking only for myself, I got the impression because all of the early witnesses being quoted in print and identified by age were in their 20s and the campers were being referred to as “young people”. After getting your response, I pulled-up the latest from the BBC and they’re now saying “many of them were teenagers” and some of the younger survivors are now being quoted.

Not our fault that this guy sounds like a conservative commenter on Mediaite.

You should probably think about why he makes the same points as many of the right wing people on this site.

 Interim appointment Ambassador Bolton.

Murdock carries these useless GOP fossils WAY past their expatriation date.

I wasn’t talking about the current legislature. However, I’m not finding the reference online, so perhaps the story is apocryphal.

Don’t use words you found in your Cracker Jack box or saw on a board.

If you have any sort of credible sources for where your “spectrum” comes from, by all means sources them.

Until then I find it only less silly than the myth that the Nazis were capitalist tools propagated by the Communists and fellow travelers for decades.

You do have some credible sources for your “spectrum”, right?

I think I’m right on this one, but I have to hit the library in a couple of days and I’ll look at some books on the French Revolution for any sort of diagrams.

It is interesting that we borrowed that from the French, but given our weird concept of Liberalism and Conservatism (I cannot think of many liberal followers of Locke or many conservatives that know their Burke), it stands to reason.

 It doesn’t matter Jerry he was still a right wing nut.

Do you have a link?  After the wife and I went to see “Captain America” I checked a few sites because I have friends in Norway.  The Times didn’t have any sort of headline.

the way things are today is there a difference?

I’m with you on that bro. I live in S. Florida. You’d think you’e in Cuba if someone blindfolded you and just dropped you off. Sad but true.

You are quite correct, but at the same time, there are lessons to be learned (cautions to be taken) from this story.

America’s wingnut faction and the Norwegian terrorist share a thread: resentment of the changes going on around them.

Additionally both want to “take back their country.” Both seem to love guns. Both seem convinced that skin pigment is a reliable guide to character and fitness.

Are both willing to kill innocents to keep them pure? Ask the people who were sitting in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City in April 1995.

Happy to confirm my prejudice against mass murderers, regardless of which loopy religion they follow.

Since you brought up ad hominem, I suggest you learn it, because “dufus (sic) lib ‘journalists’ to buy their own propaganda” could end up as a fine example in any conversation.

I am sure a doofus like you can tell the difference.

And no mention of immigrant crime rates, which is a major motivating factor of the rise of the right in Norway. And why not? Because to menion it would require some analysis and the NYT doesn’t want to publish the numbers because they are ugly, can’t be obscured and can’t be denied–e.g. a report–confirmed by Oslo’s female chief of police–that of 86 rapes in Oslo last year, 83 were committed by arab or african men. In the other three, the vicims couldn’t identify their atacker. Most of the victims were native Norwegian women and girls.

Where’s the interest in root causes now?

You are a dirty fucking arab. Camel jockey scum……give us your ‘real’ name , you goat fucking rag head.

MORE LIKE  ’WETSPOT’

I wonder how you got the moniker ‘BLOWHARD’……Oh, let me guess………fag

Just dropped in briefly, but cannot resist:

John Bolton’s philosophy is: tell it like it is, call it how he sees it and do what is in the best interest for the security of America.  I find such reassuring.  But then again, some of you wear Che Guevara shirts when you are on-lime!  LOL

Bolton sees China and Russia as borderline enemies, certainly rogue states such as North Korea as pure evil, and Islam as a mercurial enemy.  Moreover, Bolton recognizes Western Europe as pre-occupied with self concern, i.e., they let the American’s do it, then they get what they want and can complain about it too.

Or, would you rather have another Neville Chamberlin?

Those of you who are criticizing Bolton expose much about yourselves,  An ignorance of world history and an inability to relate such to current events.  Also, you don’t really know much about Bolton, do you?  LOL

Purveyor

You are so original AND creative, I’ll bet your mommy tells you that all the time……..

The elites need us to fear each other.

They need us to hate each other.

They need us to look to governing elites to protect us.

So when these things happen, that’s why the media pounds them into your skull.

They want you to look to the STATE to PROTECT you.

And they’ll do that by destroying liberties and freedom.

I think Bolton is half right. i don’t he worked alone. They never do but is worng as far as not have right wing ties

Nietzschean2 days ago in reply to insideguy
Our violent crime rates in the US wouldn’t be nearly so high if it weren’t for all the blacks and hispanics.
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just4thefax2 days ago in reply to insideguy
Fact: I blame the past liberals stopping crusaders that should have finished the job then.

Nietzschean2 days ago in reply to insideguy
Most of this crime comes from immigrants. All your mystery numbers (wikipedia?) show is that the native white populations are quite peaceful and civil.

Azarkhan2 days ago Western Europe and America need to immediately stop the immigration of Muslims into their countries. Europe also needs to stop the entry of Turkey into the European Union.
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Azarkhan2 days ago
In Australia, Norway, Sweden and other Western nations, there is adistinct race-based crime in motion being ignored by thediversity police: Islamic men are raping Western women for ethnic reasons.We know this because the rapists have openly declared their sectarianmotivations.When a number of teenage Australian girls were subjected to hours ofsexual degradation during a spate of gang rapes in Sydney that occurred between1998 and 2002, the perpetrators of these assaults framed their rationale inethnic terms. The young victims were informed that they were “sluts” and“Aussie pigs” while they were being hunted down and abused….http://archive.frontpagemag.co…For “insideguy”. Enjoy fool.
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Struckgld 2 days ago
With 2 billion Muzzies in the world, if just 1% of them are terrorists believing in killing women and children in the name of their ” prophet”, that would be 20 MILLION crazy jihadists. Compound that with the fact perhaps as many as 90% of Muslims are either SCARED TO DEATH of that 1% among them and / or quietly believe in what they are doing.
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race baiting censure whoever you are. You are such a bigot you would fit right in with this guy from norway thats what concerns me. Hey while your at it why don’t you look who’s committed all the sexual crimes in the united states smart guy.

DavidKramer 2 days ago The religion of peace is really misunderstood. They really meant to have a fireworks show and it went all wrong.
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Stonepark3 2 days agoin reply to Greg I’ll do that when Muslims themselves march in protest against this violence. So far their protests against violence are deafeningly silent.
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 Oh its just4fax or justforgotthefax. You are a clown dude no one takes anything you say seriously and you sound like your desperate. Please go to a neo-nazi webiste and join in the discussion with them.

Stonepark3 2 days ago in reply to Greg I prefer that Muslim Americans continue to do what they have been doing providing critical assistance and information on the radicals that emerge amongst them.. .”Translation- “Nothing”BTW, we must also commend all of our fellow Jews and Christians who have obviously reported and prevented attacks because I have not seen one terrorist attack by either group since 9/11- too bad the same can’t be said about our Muslims friends.
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Miljanamandich2 days agoin reply to ProObamaAgenda Why don’t you bow to some Muslims and then turn around and bend over. Then maybe they won’t kill YOU
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Stonepark3 2 days ago in reply to ProObamaAgenda I’m sure your lib behind protests Christians in general you unabashed bigot. Muslims are killing and insulting humanity except haters like you and the left who support terrorist, child killers, and those who kill innocent people.You are truly an American embarrassment, miscreant and unmitigated purveyor of liberal hate, racism and bigotry.

Jp7077 2 days ago in reply to Greg when I see MAJOR demonstrations in muslim countrys against this kind of violent jihad…I will beleive you. They seem to take to the streets for every other reason
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DavidKramer2 days agoin reply to Greg Yes, I know, only a small percentage of 1.5 billion. Let me see 1%= 15 million or say .05% is 7.5 million or say .01% is 150,000.I know, I know, it is only a few radicals. Oh well, I guess the polls from Egypt mean nothing either. You know, the ones that showed that the vast majority want to institute Sharia law (that includes killing gays and apostates) and that the majority wants to attack Israel. I know, I know, they are a peace loving religion. As soon as everyone submits to it there will be peace.
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GET THEM OUT OF EUROPE 2 days ago in reply to Greg “Only a minute percentage of Muslim’s are also violent jihadi’s” Always apologizing for muslims. It only takes an active minority to create chaoes. The simple fact is that muslims DO NOT CONDEMN their counter parts acts amkes the mayority of them CONSPIRATORS. Most muslims are sympathizers of Hezbollah, Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood and other terrorist organizations – Take a look at who’s making havoc in Egypt, Algeria, Yemen, Syria, Libya, they seem so peaceful. Muslims will always find a way to blame the West for every terror act committed by muslim radicals If only a tiny wini fraction of muslims (lets say 2%) were actively involved or supporting terrorist acts. THAT WILL BE 20million Islamic terrorist worldwide – BTW who finances muslim radicals? Poor little muslims they are so misunderstood
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Larry Phine1 day ago in reply to Greg Always we hear how only a “minute percentage of Muslim’s are also violent jihadi’s” so why don’t the overwhelming majority of “peaceful Muslims”(?) “hold the monsters amongst them” accountable? Could it be that there’s only a minute percentage of Muslim’s that are non-violent jihadists? Since those cowardly Islamic terrorists, in the pursuit of a global caliphate, have been on a murderous rampage for centuries so only a minute percentage of Muslim’s are peaceful Muslims.

Unicon 2 days ago in reply to Stonepark3 Mayor Bloomberg sure has his work cut out on educating all of us about them peaceful Muslims !1![Is another Mega Mosque in order?]
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stormin1961 2 days ago would love to know more about the identity of the gunman on that island. why are they not releasing that info?
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Paul G 2 days ago The LSM will stick with the story (My story) that it was the Amish. In other words..ignore it. I don’t know what it will take to get the LSM (and you other libturds) to wake up and see these ‘ppl’ WANT TO KILL US!!
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They have Bolton on here cause they originally think it is Muslim extremists, then opps the story changes to right wing fundie Christian and Bolton doesn’t want to go there, big surprise. I think it is past time we start profiling these dangerous jihadists and start rounding some of them up, send them to black sites and make them talk. Then maybe we can prevent the next Oklahoma City happening here in the United States.

They have Bolton on here cause they originally think it is Muslim extremists, then opps the story changes to right wing fundie Christian and Bolton doesn’t want to go there, big surprise. I think it is past time we start profiling these dangerous jihadists and start rounding some of them up, send them to black sites and make them talk. Then maybe we can prevent the next Oklahoma City happening here in the United States.

DavidKramer2 days agohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v…If you watch the vid, notice the excuses given for the rapists. Yes, it is society’s fault.What are the odds that if a person is raped in Norway, that the perpetrator will be committed by a foreign born person?Over the past five years, that would be 100%.I wonder what the odds are for terrorist attacks?Hey Norway, how goes your multiculturalism?
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If the murder conviction and church burning conviction of Varg Vikernes is any indication this guy will not even serve life in prison, the justice system in Norway is really forgiving. We will see, but Vikernes was convicted of burning over a dozen churches and killing a guy and that happened in 1993 and he is free today.

Azarkhan 2 days ago
The End of Europe – Mark Steyn (1 of 5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Steyn’s take on the Islamisation of Europe. Steyn begins at the 5 minute mark (after intro). The entire series is excellent.
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Azarkhan 2 days ago
Swedish girls Malin and Amanda were on their way to a party on NewYear’s Eve when they were assaulted, raped and beaten half to death by fourSomali immigrants. Sweden’s largest newspaper has presented the perpetrators as“two men from Sweden, one from Finland and one from Somalia”, a testimony as tohow bad the informal censorship is in stories related to immigration in Sweden.Similar incidents are reported with shocking frequency, to the point where someobservers fear that law and order is completely breaking down in the country.The number of rape charges in Sweden has tripled in just above twenty years.Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six – 6 – times as commontoday as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime haverapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburbanareas. http://majorityrights.com/inde…See also David Kramer’s comment.
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Nietzschean 2 days agoin reply to David LOL. Look at this lefty applauding the rape of two young Swedish girls by savages who were taken in by Sweden out of compassion for their plight. Wake up, you naive European liberals.

just4thefax 2 days agoin reply to insideguy Fact: Muslims like to marry 4 year olds they are a great bunch that should be praised.

CIA needs to snatch you and send you to a black site, I think you might know something. Waterboarding might make you talk.

just4thefax 2 days ago in reply to Greg
Fact:Weekly Jihad ReportJul 09 – Jul. 15 Jihad Attacks:35 Allah Akbars:5 Dead Bodies:101 Critically Injured:264
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The terror unleashed on Norway – and the terror now unleashed by the Tea
Party through Congress as it holds our economy hostage to extremist
“economic” theories that want to destroy our ability to function — is
the sort of white, Christian; far right terror America can expect more
of.- Frank Shaeffer

Don’t be so dense. I’m just getting all these comments on record before anyone gets the idea to use the new “edit” feature.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/helpers-of-the-global-jihad-claim-responsibility-for-terror-attacks-in-norway/

Obama, Holder and the CIA might need to start shipping some of these tea party jihadists off to black sites, they might know something. Maybe we need to start profiling them in airports too, you see someone wearing a Michele Bachmann t shirt or a Gadsen Flag shirt we probably need to grab them off the streets, we have black sites all over the world. These people obviously know something, what if they know about the next terror attack, a ticking time bomb scenario. I think it would be Constitutional to waterboard them. Thank Jesus Bush made it legal.

Warren Steed Jeffs (born December 3, 1955) is the current president of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS Church).[4][5]
He may still have been considered the Prophet of the FLDS Church
2007–2011 by some, as no certain statements have been made that he
stepped aside from this position after his conviction, now overturned,
in 2007. While president and “Prophet, Seer and Revelator” of the
organization, Jeffs wields considerable religious as well as secular
power, in line with the FLDS Church’s theocratic principles.

Jeffs gained international notoriety in May 2006 when he was placed on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution on Utah
state charges related to his alleged arrangement of illegal marriages
between his adult male followers and underage girls. He was arrested in
August 2006 in Nevada, and agreed to be taken to Utah for trial. In May and July 2007 the State of Arizona charged him with eight additional counts—including sexual conduct with minors and incest—in two separate cases.[6] His trial, which began early in September 2007 in St. George, Utah,
lasted less than a month, and on September 25 the verdict was read
declaring him guilty of two counts of rape as an accomplice.[7] On November 20, 2007 he was sentenced to imprisonment for 10 years to life and began serving his sentence at the Utah State Prison. Jeffs’ conviction was reversed by Utah’s Supreme Court on July 27, 2010 because of incorrect jury instructions.[8]
He has since been extradited to Texas, where he will face charges of
bigamy and sexual assault in connection with a raid on a West Texas
ranch in 2008.[9]

Waterboarding might make me talk about what? All of the posts, from when the story first broke, that I’ve been pasting to get an account of who said what?

“race baiting censure whoever you are”

I’m the guy going back to this link http://www.mediaite.com/online/helpers-of-the-global-jihad-claim-responsibility-for-terror-attacks-in-norway/ and pasting the posts I find there, to keep an accurate account of what was said. So what exactly did you think the words “Azarkhan 2 days ago” meant? What about the one that says “Nietzschean 2 days ago in reply to insideguy”? Or how about at the end when I included the number of like votes? Do I really need to go back and insert quotation marks in all of this stuff so that you can understand the obvious? That’s okay, you’ve written me off as a bigot, in the same league as the killer. This is why I can’t stand extremists…     no matter what side they’re on. You already have your opinions ready to go before you even listen to what someone is saying, causing you to misinterpret what they are saying, despite what is actually in front of your face. People need to start thinking for themselves.

If you don’t understand the strategy, I suggest you keep quiet.

Too bad this guy didn’t live in the US.  As a right-wing Christian fundamentalist muslim-hater, he’d have his own show on Fox news.

Thanks Censure.  Great job.  You can make them swim in their own shit, but they’ll still think they smell like roses…  I enjoyed it anyways…

Even this Psycho can’t spin this. Where are all the freaks who were making false accusations on Friday? They haven’t been showing up lately I guess. Freaks. 

Wrong!

I kept checking all day yesterday to see if lists of names were published and couldn’t find anything, we have distant family members in Norway, most reside in Tryggestad.

Yo expatriot: Unless the loopy religion is Mohammedanism.

very suspect.. must have been a Muslim group.. oh wait, no it wasn’t.. sorry Christians get over yourselves there are crazies who do stupid things in your group too. nice spin on Fox’s part though, when in doubt blame muslims

The maximum sentence for any crime in Norway is 21 years.

Fact: It was correct at Muslims are always promoting peace in America by another poster but I haven’t seen them at rallies protesting their brothers Islam terrorist attacks. I guess you can post proof otherwise moron! Yes other patriots dislike how liberals always take the anti-American view on every subject! You are a pitiful creature.I’m a proud American that stands when the pledge is read why don’t you start standing next time too.

Fact: I bet your families women would all look better in burkas anyway. That would be what shit looks like!

Fact: Muslims do marry children and Mohammad himself started it all the pedophile with a nine year old. Do you like what they do Censure because are you missing out?

Fact: What good is it to re-post something that you as a liberal didn’t understand the other day? Did you change your mind? You are stuck on stupid and has slime in the ice machine!

Fact:Stuttering poster is a posting  disorder that involves involuntary hesitation, repetition (“po po po ss ss tter), or prolongations (“lllllliii ba ba ba rual) while posting days ago posting of others.

Fact: So so so whawhawha tststs your pppp pppp oint so so so so whawhawha at?

Fact: Freaks on Friday stated that he was a right wimger and not just a crazy person!

Wow Crazy people. So in your head right wing means crazy. If it makes you happy, I don’t mind.

Wow Crazy people. So in your head right wing means crazy. If it makes you happy, I don’t mind.

Yes I know, I think the entire world is going to be outraged when they see what happens to this guy in the halls of Norwegian justice.

Question: Why are you so angry? I took the posts of you and others, from a few days ago, and posted them here. I didn’t just take a sensational line or two. I included your whole posts. I didn’t even provide any critical opinion about the posts when I posted them, as evidenced by the fact that a couple of people tried to take me to task, because they thought the posts reflected my thinking. They are what they are, and if you see something there that upsets you, you need to look inside yourself.  

Fact: A lot of what you say and post here, is very much along the lines of what this guy believed. The first time you responded to a post of mine you said, “Fact: You are a Looser [sic]“. You accused me of being a liberal. I told you that I was not. You still accuse me of being a liberal. To you, I have to be a liberal, because liberals are the enemy, and naturally anyone who doesn’t agree with you is the enemy, therefore I must be a liberal. You implied that I was envious of those who engage in pedophilia. You try to paint the entire Muslim community as being pedophiles. Then you assume the role of patriot, and proclaim that patriots dislike how liberals always take an anti-American view on every subject. I love how you bolster that last claim by stating that you stand for the pledge, and with no evidence, claim that I don’t. I do stand, but it’s nothing to brag about. Maybe it is to someone who hasn’t done anything more for their country. Do you want a cookie? 

To everyone else, do you see how this works? Do you see his mindset? By doing nothing more than pasting the exact words of what he, and others he agrees with, said, I have now become a dangerous (pedophile), anti-American, enemy. It doesn’t surprise me that just4thefax is the one that fell into the trap. He is the one that called me a “looser”. Fish meet bait. I didn’t need to include commentary when I was regurgitating what you said. You came along to prove the point for me. So stop being so angry, cancel that order of fertilizer, go outside and take a deep breath. 

Fact: right winger and crazy person are basically the same thing, glad you agree.

Anders Behring Breivik cited Atlas Shrugs and the writings of Robert Spencer, Jihad
Watch, Islam Watch, and Front Page magazine—more than 250 times.

Anders Behring Breivik cited Atlas Shrugs and the writings of Robert Spencer, Jihad
Watch, Islam Watch, and Front Page magazine—more than 250 times.

“I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost.”- John Bolton

“I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost.”- John Bolton

I really dislike Fox News but saying something like that about any woman for any reason is uncalled for. Martha is actually one of the few on Fox that sometimes let’s her commonsense speak over her fox script. I realize that Fox viewers say things constantly about women on the left but shouldn’t we try not to sink to their level. Let Fox play the victim, we know the facts and that is all we need. In the meantime I hope Martha knows that there are rational people who don’t condone what others do even if they are on the same “side”. I wish when something so despicable is said about someone on the left, maybe one person who reads this will consider defending that person the way I have here. It could be the start of a united country instead one that will fall because we are so divided.

I think that can be worked out to 25 for each death. Hope so, anyway.

Ok, trying to figure out why the age of the victims makes a difference. No matter how old they were they didn’t deserve to die like that.

Yes, you’re a re-ul ‘Murricun patte-reeot, ain’t ya?  You have the writing skills of a 6 year-old, the reasoning acumen of a slug, and the IQ of a ball peen hammer.  You are truly a proud representative of the American right.

Should be either “Tell it like it is,” or “Call it as he sees it.” The two are not necessarily the same. He can see it wrong, and that would be telling it as it isn’t.

Careful with the accusations of ignorance. They can come back and bite you. Even if it only gets you ignored in future. We are all ignorant on some subjects, and the wise man knows what he doesn’t know.

Wow really, what are you, 13? I can’t wait for the day when the United States is “United” again. It just keeps getting sadder and sadder. This is not the United States that my father fought for in WWII. We should all be afraid. My heart and prayers go out to the families caught up in this nightmare. Live and let live people……

“the reasoning acumen of a slug, and the IQ of a ball peen hammer.”

Ha! So very true! :-)

Jeeler, you have just4thefax pegged to perfection!

So, you are justifying the killings? Wow….

The tea party may have started out by the people but it was taken over by corporate interests like Rove, and the Koch Brothers. I really wish the tea party would acknowledge this and come out against these corrupting influences. I fear for our future, if we can’t learn to work together we are done!

pls do not blame liberals for Christianity that is stupid

Cite a source, please.

Well, yeah. 80 children slaughtered and a massive bomb are news… when the victims are Norwegian. 

We don’t see this kind of coverage when the victims are on the African continent…

With all due respect, you’re misinformed.
From ABC News, Nov. 6, 2009: “Witnesses to Thursday’s massacre at Fort Hood said alleged shooter appeared calm and shouted “Allahu Akbar!” (“God is Great!”) before opening fire at a crowd of young soldiers …”
The Daily Telegraph, Nov. 6, 2009: “The Arabic phrase “Allahu Akbar”, shouted by the Fort Hood killer
Major Nidal Malik Hasan before he opened fire, is known as the takbir and is
used by Muslims to express a wide range of emotions”
LA Times, Nov. 6, 2009: “Hasan, who had prayed at his mosque that morning, allegedly mumbled
something to himself — it may have been a prayer — then jumped up.
Witnesses reported that he said: “Allahu akbar,” Arabic for “God is
great.”"
Those took me four minutes to find.

…virtually all historical and contemporary evidence to the contrary, but of course I’ll be glad to take your word for it, you poor thing.

crime rates?  like slaughtering innocent children? that kind of crime?

It doesn’t matter if he was right wing, left wing or middle wing. Suffice to say he was a wing nut.

What papers were you reading? As I recall, it was almost immediately apparent that Nidal was a Muslim. The information on this nut may have come faster because he posted his 1500 page “manifesto”, outlining his views. He’s a, self-avowed, right wing, Chrisitan extremist. What do you want them to say?

Speaking of right-wing extremists…   Time to pack them in railroad cars.

This is going to blow up in the faces of the NYT and the rest of the Red Queen Media.  This guy is jihadi lite and Norway is ripe fruit for the rag heads.  Keep your eye on the birdie.  AQ needs media cover right now as they step up their attacks in the west.  And the Western press is going to fall for it.  There will be more Christian extremists being set out there for public consumption.   What kind of Christian was this douche bag anyway…which religious denomination? Lutheran?  Methodist?  Which one….the media froths at the word Christian…I’m Catholic….not a Christian…. Stupid norks.

Miscegenation rears its ugly head, huh. This is all about non-whites chasing white women, huh?

The “root cause” of these killings is severe mental illness. By your logic vigilantism is always justified.

I guess, then, that anyone who feels slighted, threatened or is offened by another group should take up arms. What I see in this is that some in Europe, and right here at home didn’t learn the lesson so many payed dearly for in WWII.

Stepshep…. who are the “poor Christians”…. ?  What is a Christian? I am a Catholic.  Who am I persecuting? 

Sad to see the left using victims of this tragedy  to score political points.The angry,hateful,rhetoric spew by  leftwing posters here proves a point i made the other day about the “great white terrorist” the left has been looking for since 9/11.

Still in my memory is the random shooting of innocent citizens by two blacks.  How come the “News” media didn’t label them as “Left wing Extremists?”

Funny you don’t have a problem  with murdered children, by a right wing nut. You want to use this tragedy to pile on liberals.

“John Bolton Goes Out Of His Way To Distance Norway Bomber From Right-Wing Extremists”

There are nuts on both conservative and liberal extreme sides of the parties. I don’t feel either liberals or conservatives claim a corner on this extreme behavor.    However looking at history right wing extremist tend to be more violent in my opinion at least in acts against the goverment.  Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols acting to revenge what happen to Branch Davidian is an example. Both exhibited right wing extremist characteristics.  As a counter point when I came home from Vietnam I was called a baby killer, spit at, etc.by anti-war left wing extremist. These acts were more acts of frustration and not really violent, but for a young man who just put his life on the line very disheartening.  I hate that Fox would down play the motive of any person who would do such despicable act.     

Sigh. That comment was from 22 hours ago. Last I checked Catholics were Christians. And if you don’t think Catholics are Christians then the comment wasn’t aimed at you. So why are you upset?

Could it be because sane people don’t equate being black with being left wing extremist?

Nobody wallows in the blood of innocents with more delight than American Liberal’s!

Nobody wallows in the blood of innocents with more delight than American Liberal’s!

What’s the difference?  Some nut job shoots up a bunch of people, and that automatically makes him a right winger?  How about Obama?  He’s obviously a left wing radical.  What name shall we put on him?

There are already conspiracy theories that the Norwegian government is somehow directly responsible for this event. It’s as rediculous as those who had theorized that the Bush administration was responsible for 9/11. When are people going to stop talking nonsense and realize that the world is full of crazies and regardless of their political pursuasion, we should put them out of their misery. 

The Muslims and Communists have killed more people than anyone else in this world.  I suppose that the Muslims and Communists could be classified as left-wing.

“Careful with accusations of ignorance.” Perhaps you should stop with condescension. I do not need or want your advice. I have been gracious enough to impart my theories, knowledge and wisdom and this is typically how you respond. Ergo you focus on the dicta, the prelude and the inconsequential. You completely miss the substance. You do this almost all the time. You don’t listen! You formulate a retort, even when one isn’t necessary.

Apparently it has not occurred to you that much of what I put into cyber space is not simple opinion or repeating something I read and/or heard? Most of what I proffer you and others is original socio-legal-political, philosophy. “Economic Treason” is an original and fascinating thesis. Neutral Principle, born of Professor Wechsler, then I expounded on by comparing and contrasting to equal protection. Furthermore, my main Philosophical creation was/is a proposal bringing philosophy out of the halls of academe by actually ‘applying’ Neutral Principle. I gave you an example of Hill v. Colorado and it just bounced off your head! So too with “equal protection” and Taxes. You didn’t cogitate, you just repudiated!

Neutral principle is a way of life that teaches the use of a formula, REASON, when Legislating, adjudicating or just living. NP solves problems, it doesn’t create them. Also, the comparison of ethics and morality and the legislation and adjudication of law, are ‘original’ legal philosophic theories. My reassessment of Brown v. Board of Education coupled with the history of the Commerce clause is an original socio/legal, philosophic thesis.

Stop arguing for the sake of arguing. There are many bright people in here. I am frequently pleased and surprised. I suspect you miss a lot?

“Wisdom is not always born of success, at times such is found in the province of error or failure”

Purveyor, 1994

 Breivik is  a self-avowed Conservative CHRISTIAN. Lets NOT forget that, or let the media forget that.
We can read his own words…..

Catholics are Catholics.  I follow the doctrine of Catholicism.  There is no such thing as “christian” doctrine for me to follow.  There are religious denominations that are offshoots of the Church which Jesus Christ founded.  The interpretation of Christ’s teachings are Catholic, thus Catholicism.

Since you lump us all into the group “Christians” and made the general statement about persecutions, I asked you to answer the question. 

If you think I am upset then you must have some kind of inaccurate supernatural power to arrive at that conclusion.

Who are Christians persecuting today?  Answer the question.

Where is that happening in the name of Christianity, Nacho?

Ya, all that “open meat” as one Imam spoke of a while back.  So hard for Muslim men not to rape because the “meat” is waved in front of them.  Sick bastards. lol  Welcome to the 8th century.  “Christians” do the same thing though, the Lamestream Media is quick to point out.

Whatever nutball religion this douche-nozzle belonged to, the common thread with nearly all of these tragedies is that it was a conservative behind the trigger.  Muslim conservatives…Christian conservatives…they’re all the same brand of stupid when it comes down to it.

Do you mean Bolton is like the unelected and unaccountable Czars that currently infest the White House?

 hey goofball the communist are left wing. And no the muslim terrorist are not left wing they are right wing fundamentalist terrorist, how hard is this to understand?

I beg to differ. Stalin was a christian, Hitler to.

Do not mix theology and ideology. Most wars the last 400 yeras have been started by christians wether they are communists or fascists or nationalsits or democrats etc, does not matter in the debate about what religion killed more people.

 Isn’t Fox just a big ole hypocritical joke.

this is a link that have some names of missing persons. That is the only list that the police have released so far.
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7724498

Many groups are persecuted by Christians. Homosexuals, non-whites, females, Muslims, atheists.

Name me two non-christian congressen,just  two. you would need to name two hundred before I would believe what you are laying claim to.

Have you ever said a nice thing about an atheist? 
You said: I am a Catholic.  Who am I persecuting?

Have you ever said a nice thing about an atheist?  You said: I am a Catholic.  Who am I persecuting?

crime is not an issue in Norway. Murder rates are 0,71 per 100 000 inhab, I think US have about 5,4 Philadephia have 27,7/100 000 . Rape is 19 per 100 000. US 71 rapes  per 100 000 inhabitants

You obviously haven’t the slightest information on Western history from the last 2000 years. No single religion has waged more war, genocide, enslavement, theft, destruction of indigenous cultures and just general intolerance and ceaseless meddling nuisance than Christianity.

Of course, the minute someone points this out, some of them get really mad and cry that they’re being persecuted. I find this hilarious, especially among the white Christian males – the ones who have wielded the most power on this planet for the last thousand years. The ones who have done every unspeakable horror to their own people, to their women, and to every other culture that they have conquered, enslaved, killed, stolen whole landmasses from, or just generally beat up on…to hear the white Christian male cry and moan about being “persecuted” whenever someone calls them out on their s*** makes me laugh and cry all at the same time.The combination of absurdity, irony and audacity is beyond the imagination. It’s like the bully who beats the living spit out of some kid every day for a while year. Then when he gets caught and told to stop, he starts whining and crying about how he is the victim.

People want them to say he was just some nut killing for no reason. It’s funny isn’t it, how much the crazy Christian fundies are always screaming for heads on lances and for the Muslim community to “take responsibility” for the extremism in their ranks, but the minute one of their own takes the hatemongering ideology to the next level and people point it out, they start screaming and yelling “Don’t blame fundy Christianity for this! Let’s keep talking about the darned Muslims!!”

People want them to say he was just some nut killing for no reason. It’s funny isn’t it, how much the crazy Christian fundies are always screaming for heads on lances and for the Muslim community to “take responsibility” for the extremism in their ranks, but the minute one of their own takes the hatemongering ideology to the next level and people point it out, they start screaming and yelling “Don’t blame fundy Christianity for this! Let’s keep talking about the darned Muslims!!”

U cant argue with hate..these right wing nuts are everywhere. How many on this board are just waiting for the right time to take out innocent people just because they look different or think differently???? Over time u read the hate from the right because they cant express themselves like the right. Proof that education will get u out of the trailer lifestyle.

U cant argue with hate..these right wing nuts are everywhere. How many on this board are just waiting for the right time to take out innocent people just because they look different or think differently???? Over time u read the hate from the right because they cant express themselves like the right. Proof that education will get u out of the trailer lifestyle.

No criminals play the victim more than the right wing fundies. Everything is a conspiracy against them, even as far back as when they conquered and subjugated the people of Europe. The Crusades? The Inquisition? The Witch Hunts…the genocide, enslavement and theft of an entire continent from the American Indians, the African slave trade, the Civil War, you name it, they insist it’s all part of a smear campaign from “liberal” “revisionist” historians and media.

No criminals play the victim more than the right wing fundies. Everything is a conspiracy against them, even as far back as when they conquered and subjugated the people of Europe. The Crusades? The Inquisition? The Witch Hunts…the genocide, enslavement and theft of an entire continent from the American Indians, the African slave trade, the Civil War, you name it, they insist it’s all part of a smear campaign from “liberal” “revisionist” historians and media.

Explain!!  Or is that just some brain swelling idea you came up with?

Explain!!  Or is that just some brain swelling idea you came up with?

He respresents the principles of many in this country that does not make him a radical. However, that is exactly how many conservatives frame his behavor.  He goes against their principles so he must be a radical.  The republican way is Its my way or no way!.  Is that starting to sound a lot like what is going on in Washington. I guess you represent the party of “NO”.

 I guess its what happens Mark when you look towards the past all the time. yesterday was better yesterday was the best, yesterday is where we should be. They have no vision forward all they want is to take us back.

 I guess its what happens Mark when you look towards the past all the time. yesterday was better yesterday was the best, yesterday is where we should be. They have no vision forward all they want is to take us back.

Kind of hard to put Anders Breivik anywhere coherent on the political spectrum, any more than it is easy to put the Nazis.  Nazi does, after all, abbreviate the German for National Socialist German Workers Party. Ethnocentrism is not a left-right issue, it is a nationalistic one.

What occurred in oslo Norway was a right-wing nut job (inspired by
the US right wing conservative media) who tried to make a point by
killing innocent people to bring the issue of multiculturalism to
question.

How about just saying that there are bad people in every group regardless of religion, country or ideology.  Christianity was a  bad name during the Inquisition and the Crusades.  It reared it’s ugly head when the Nazi Party waged an anti-Jew campaign of genocide.  The KKK brought the ugliness of Christianity to the U.S.  Regardless of who we are, there are bad people from every walk of life. 

Jesus was a liberal, you know.

You suppose wrong, you langer. Buy a book. Then read it.

Mao and Stalin have kill how many millions…Hummmm?  Obama choses to have Mao and Marx lovers as his Czars…Hummmm?  You go read history and stop being delusional..

The shooter admitted to being a Pagan and believing in Darwinism.  Does thet sound like a Christian to you?  Also, since when do “Christians” go around shooting innocent people? Just because a left-wing “News” paper pins that “Christian” tag on the nut case, for political purposed, doesn’t make him a “Christian.”

Please explain how a terrorist is automatically “right wing?” Connect the dots for me?  You’ve been reading and listening to too many left-wing propagandists.

Interestingly, FOX News was found to be the most honest news agency in poll taken about 6 months ago.  Most recently, a new “News” anchor was hired on CNN on the condition that he would have nothing negative to say about Obama. 

What I don’t understand is why a White guy killing 80 White children would assume that such an act would start a war against Muslims?  That makes no sense?  Perhaps in his Pagan mind, it does make sense…sort of like how Obama disregarding the Constitution and forcing us into bankruptsy makes sense to so-called liberals. (Couldn’t resist mentioning that)

He’s also an admitted Pagan, but the New York Times left-wing propaganda sheet chose to call him a Christian.

moron- Muslims and Communists are right wing.

HE’S A CHRISTIAN AND HE KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE- BUT (and this is how we know he’s a Christian)-he’s sorry but it had to be done.

You can stick that moron term up your ass, fool.  If Muslims and Communists are right wing, then Obama is a Conservative.  You’re brainwashed left-wing fool.

A Muslim is a right-wing Christian extremist?  Boy, your logical thinking is twisted.

You’re the brain dead one here- Muslims and Communists act just like the conservative righties- they couldn’t care less about anyone but themselves. Get a brain.

You’re too kind, jmr.  It was a nothing at all.  Well OK, it was a pleasure, actually.  :-)

17560 – the number of terrorist attacks since 9-11 carried out in the name of THE RELIGION OF PEACE

This list

of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims since 9/11/01 (a rate of
about four or five a day) is incomplete because not all such attacks are
picked up by international news sources,multiple loss of life. 

These are not incidents of ordinary crime involving nominal Muslims
killing for money or some other non-religious motive.  We
only include
incidents of deadly violence that can reasonably be determined to have been committed out of
religious duty – as
interpreted by the perpetrator.

We usually list only attacks that result in loss of
life (with a handful of exceptions).  In several cases, the victims are
undercounted because deaths from trauma caused by the Islamists may occur in
later days, despite the best efforts of medical personnel to keep the victims
alive.

We usually don’t include incidents related to combat,
such as in Iraq and Afghanistan, unless it involves particularly heinous
terror tactics.  Unprovoked sniper or bombing attacks
on foreign military personnel serving normal police duties are sometimes included
depending on the circumstances (although rarely).

Unfortunately, this list of Muslim terrorist
attacks
barely scratches the surface of atrocities committed in the name of
Islam occurring world-wide each day.  For that reason, we don’t tally up
the dead and
dismembered, except on a weekly and monthly basis.

As an example, most news articles on the violence in
Southern Thailand note that about 900 people were killed in 2005.  We
estimate that 150 of these deaths are of the Islamic militants themselves, which
means they killed some 750 people that year.  But TROP only recorded the deaths of 314.  We underreported more than half
the casualties in a country
with a decent news infrastructure.  Imagine what we don’t catch in the
Sudan, where the overall toll has run into the hundreds of thousands!

A Leftie will
interpret the thousands, nay, tens of thousands of people murdered,
dismembered and maimed, as documented above, as the work of Gary Viegh,
Anders Breivik, Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. This comment intended so
that I can put this issue into perspective. The perspective of the Left.