Nothing says privatize law enforcement like “Dog the Bounty Hunter”

i see an argument for bounty hunters, but i don’t see an argument
for privatizing all law enforcement

Yeah… I’m sure this would turn out really good… there’s a reason libertarianism was left in the past… it went out of style. We can’t NOT have an EPA, we can’t NOT have restrictions on corporations and businesses.. otherwise it will go back to the lawless days of the past. Economics evolve.. and if it weren’t for George Bush spending more than all other presidents combined, we wouldn’t be discussing downgrading our country by suddenly making it like the old west again. Ron Paul is a fringe character pushed towards the center because of just how deranged Republicans have been. If we weren’t so in debt and scrambing for any idea to fix the country, he wouldn’t even be mentioned. He only came along because George Bush wasted all our ****ing money for no reason.

I agree with some of Ron Paul’s ideas but this idea that you can privitaze law enforecement… is anyone thinking ahead? Everything becomes corrupt, at least when it’s the police it’s a government entity and will eventually have to answer to the people. Who does a private police force answer to? Another private police force? What’s if the same person owns both? Don’t you people see that these systems can be gamed by the rich to pretty much control everything?

It’s utter nonsense. Take a look at Dog and ask if you want the country to live like him. He’s a nutcase.

Yeah, I’m sure all the cops and the FOP would jump right on this one.

Republicans are simply ridiculous….dont come no worse than john stossel…although i wouldn’t mind seeing dog breaking down you wingnuts doors and beating the shit outta you for not showing up to traffic court….that would be epic TV

privatizing law enforcement is a stupid idea

this goes to show how insane and extreme John Stossel have become over the past 10 years or so. Maybe we  should do completely away with the Courts, hell……let’s just live in lawless society where we all get to determine our own “individual” laws and how we settle them.

With King Obama , why bother even having laws ?

“Obama to America: Drop Dead”In the most anti-American act of his administration that showed complete contempt for America and Americans, President Barack Hussein Obama amnestied over 30 million illegal aliens on Thursday.  There was no legislation, no debate and no consideration for American citizens. 
Cecilia Munoz, formerly of the racist group La Raza, posted on the White House Blog that under the president’s direction an amnesty was declared for illegal aliens in America. 
Oh, it wasn’t called “amnesty” of course.  In classic Orwellian Newspeak Munoz said, “Today, (DHS) announced that they are strengthening their ability to target criminals even further by making sure they are not focusing our resources on deporting people who are low priorities for deportation.

It was cowardly and was accomplished with lies and deception and it will do irreparable harm to America and Americans.It was cowardly because Obama and the political elites of both parties who want amnesty for illegal aliens knew they couldn’t get the legislation passed.  Obama didn’t even try it when the Democrats controlled both Houses in Congress because poll after poll shows super majorities of Americans don’t want amnesty, they want enforcement. This amounts to legislating from the Executive Branch, but that doesn’t matter to His Majesty Obama.  It doesn’t seem to matter to members of congress, either.  Since we have heard no complaints from the body that actually is, you know, authorized by the Constitution with passing lawsContinue reading on Examiner.com Obama to America: Drop Dead – San Francisco Immigration | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/immigration-in-san-francisco/obama-to-america-drop-dead#ixzz1Vajr6dK8

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Does Dog have a mirror ?

Does Dog have a mirror ?

of course it’s just a coincidence that republicans pal around with racists

That’s awesome, Frances, you wrote a piece about a re-run.

I think I saw one somewhere in that hair..

Mrs. King Obama . Isn’t it time for your french fry break ?

Don’t fret , Moochy .

They know not to put no damn fruit on your damn plate .

Although his wife would easily fit into any black neighborhood in America and be able to go undercover, in the end going into ghettos with pepper spray would be the opposite of suicide-by-police.

We already have private law enforcement. Haven’t you see private security guards at malls, atheletic events at your child’s school, dances and parking lots? Bailbondsmen do a good job of guaranteeing that they will bring back defendants that skip bail. The government shouldn’t keep wanting to replace them.

You must have been livid when Reagan gave amnesty to all those no good illegals!

The premise of the discussion is flawed.  First responder costs are fixed so when SWAT shows up to apprehend a suspect, they don’t send an additional bill to the city for their salaries and supplies that are already covered by a budget.  So, unless you eliminate those services entirely, Dog, as usual, doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.  Libertarianism doesn’t advocate the elimination of all government services especially defense and public safety.  And Ron Paul will be the first to tell you that having a powerful state-run military doesn’t mean you have to conduct mini-wars throughout the world in order to maintain your status as a world leader.  

Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber

Stossel is a libertarian, not a republican.  Do you need a sign?

Law enforcement should not be a free market enterprise. One of the biggest lobby’s in DC right now is the group that is pimping for private prisons. Stricter punishments on drug possession, “truth in sentencing,” mandatory minimums, etc. The main premise of any business is to maximize profits, which is fine, but it you apply that profit motive to the justice system, and the profits come from locking people up, it stands to reason that the people in charge of law enforcement would have more to gain by locking more people up. I don’t like the sound of that at all.

How about, we don’t create so many criminals in the first place?  Something like half of all criminals in the system are in there on drug charges, and a lot of the violent criminal acts are committed in furtherance of “crimes” like drugs, prostitution, tax evasion (esp. taxes on alcohol and cigarettes).  Many more crimes have been created in furthering the interests of moneyed entities, like hoteliers and bankers, that would be more rationally handled as civil cases.  Don’t put the laws on the books, and the number of crimes goes down.  Not everything that is immoral or unpleasant needs to be illegal.

That is a fabulous idea.  As long as their are no government regulations on this new private enterprise. Because a libertarian theory always triumphs its real world application.

These guys are fucking geniuses. What could possibly go wrong? Especially if the “cops” could bring their own  camera crews and be able to edit out the fuck ups. 

Up next, the return of public executions. This time on your teevee.

We have seen what privatizing the military and prisons have done. Put more people in prisons and charge the tax payers more for guarding military activities in war zones. Look at health care. Medicare has a 3% over head and produce better results than the public sector with a 20 to 30% overhead. This whole anti government propaganda movement by the wealthy is for their benefit, not the public good. The private cops will be working with the private prisons to lock up as many people as they can costing you more, and more, and they will be laughing all the way to the bank.

And John Stossel, he’s turned into a right wing mega phone for the rich since he got his ears boxed by that wrestler. He’s an elitist intellectual who has gotten rich off selling their libertarian foolishness, which a lot of people have bought into, but have now woken up too, as this Tea Party evangelist extremism passes through our democracy. Liberty was not the only word bandied about by our forefathers, but public good was too.

i said “all” law enforcement

HILARIOUS!!!

All libertarians need to move to Somalia where they can practice what they preach.

LOL

Stossel is a Libertarian you dumb lib racist!

A sign and a clue.

It looked like the main thrust of the conversation was privatizing SOME law enforcement duties. Let’s do it like real Americans, and let some local governments try it if they wish. If it works, it should be considered in more places. If it don’t, nobody will want to.

It’s what the founders intended.

It was a mistake. The lefties didn’t keep their word, as usual. It’s why you can’t make agreements with lefties if it entails something that’s supposed to happen in the future that they agree to do.

Lefties politicians are inherently dishonest. They can’t help it.

Afraid it might work, huh?

Let local governments try it if they want to. Got something against experimenting?

When you Libertarians want to try your “experiments” in some community that volunteers, go ahead. You have no successful “experiments” to point to, though. Every society on earth is a mixed economy — always has been. You just want to turn the whole country into a Libertarian paradise. The hippies of the 60′s had nothing on you Libertarians when it comes to outright naivete.

Have you read about the private prison scandal in PA? Judges were getting kickbacks for sentencing teens to jail for relatively minor crimes.

The nonprofit Juvenile Law Center in Philadelphia said Phillip is one of at
least 5,000 children over the past five years who appeared before former Luzerne
County President Judge Mark Ciavarella.

Ciavarella pleaded guilty earlier this month to federal criminal charges of
fraud and other tax charges, according to the U.S. attorney’s office. Former
Luzerne County Senior Judge Michael Conahan also pleaded guilty to the same
charges. The two secretly received more than $2.6 million, prosecutors said.

The judges have been disbarred and have resigned from their elected
positions. They agreed to serve 87 months in prison under their plea deals.
Ciavarella and Conahan did not return calls, and their attorneys told CNN that
they have no comment.

Ciavarella, 58, along with Conahan, 56, corruptly and fraudulently “created
the potential for an increased number of juvenile offenders to be sent to
juvenile detention facilities,” federal court documents alleged. Children would
be placed in private detention centers, under contract with the court, to
increase the head count. In exchange, the two judges would receive kickbacks.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-02-23/justice/pennsylvania.corrupt.judges_1_detention-judges-number-of-juvenile-offenders?_s=PM:CRIME

Afraid?

Have you noticed what corporations have been doing since the recession started?

They have been firing the most expensive(most experienced) personell and hired newbies at half the cost.

And if you allow private corporations to run law enforcement they will do the same.

…well if Dog thinks its a good idea then we should really consider it…
 

There are no successful experiments to look at, because no one has had the guts to try it in the modern world.

Anything is better than massive government, going broke, and then inevitably cutting the entitlements with an axe once liberty has been taken away.

That sounds just great.

Not necessarily. It all depends on the numbers and the efficiency. If people don’t like the service and efficiency they receive, they’ll get rid of it in a free society and go to something that works better. Of course, least restrictive firearms laws and laws protecting people who protect themselves instead of the criminals breaking into your house would reduce some of the need.

Don’t be afraid. Your government binkie isn’t always as soft as you think.

So, Libertarians want to try something that has never worked, just as I said, with the whole US economy. When you people stop clamoring to experiment on the country at large and instead venture to try your experiments on one representative portion of New Hampshire or northwest Florida or wherever, then you’ll be taken seriously. Till then, you guys sound like you’re a bunch of unrepentant nuts.

We should also privatize firemen. Can’t pay? Tough shit, parasite.

Bull scatology.

The whole American bail system is messed up.
Wouldn’t fool proof ankle bracelets or something similar for those bailing out of jail solve the problem?

Ron Paul does not advocate for the privatization of police, why are you bringing him in this discussion?  Paul is against privatized prisons and police forces.  These things legitimately belong to the role of government.  When you privatize these functions, as we have with many prisons, you set the stage for crony corporatism and abuse of civil liberties.

This is how it was in many jurisdictions in the 19th century. Google it.

There is a reason we have the system we have today. If nothing else, your neighbors burning house can threaten your life and property, even if the neighbors did not pay their insurance.

Socialists and communists (Dimucratic Party today) keeps wanting to try things that have been tried and never worked.

If a Libertarian leaning community wants to try something that has never been tried, it’s their business.

Dog the Bounty Hunter really does look like a dog more and more.I don’t know if this is something to be proud of.

Near here somewhere (can’t reply directly), Lemming… said, “If a Libertarian leaning community wants to try something that has never been tried, it’s their business.”  Do you mean like Somalia? Yeah, they’ve ditched their government. An entrepreneurial paradise, eh, Lemming?

libertarians can be rcists too,dummy

Nature Freak prefers Colt Seavers (Lee Majors). And Heather Thomas was way better on the eyes than “Dog”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l3a7lsEgFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvfVagT9ZJk&feature=related

Would the common sense progression be to privatize our military, hence, a large mercenary force that gets paid handsomely by various nation States?

For instance, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait should have paid dearly for America’s military services?

The one thing we American’s do very well is make war, and I do not mean that in the pejorative.  If Stossel and Dog are suggesting private police, then America should get paid for providing an international security service with personnel given bonuses etc…

Purveyor

And another thing:

The Movie “Gangs of New York,” was a loose interpretation of privatized policing.  In fact, one of the early Gang Wars was fought by competing Fire Houses.

Prima facie, the concept of privatizing some governmental agencies may seem appealing, however, corruption in various forms sneaks in, quickly!  For instance, in Colorado they had trouble with private prisons and contraband, as well as violence. (prisoner on Guard and then Guard on prisoner retributions)

Do we really want a private FBI?  Moreover, If there are allegations against the private organizations, who investigates?  Another private police force?

Just some thoughts…

Purveyor

You’re right, it would all be about profits and recognition.  Talk about having justice thrown out!  It’s bad enough now, with personal prejudices and wanting to get convictions.  I can’t imagine how bad it would be if the system was privatized.  They would feel the need to prove that their system is better, more ‘results-oriented,’ at the expense of the innocent.  Innocent until proven guilty would be completely reversed.

I smell Robocop!

Anarchists rule.  Pretty scary situation.  

Well written.
I could spend hours discussing this but I have to get up early tomorrow.
Good night.

Robo-Cop here we come. !st da prisons now da law enforcement! Corporate cops are everywhere now. What da fawk is the difference? America is a corporate state.

Taking a quick look and reading some of the comments on this thread, I’ve come to realize why Murdoch is such an evil man. That some people are actually taking Stossel’s proposal seriously shows how demented we’ve become. It also points out the hyper capitalism that’s taken hold in this country. Having a mercenary police force is a discussion that is typical of the nonsense that goes on at FOX. And when you feed this type of garbage propaganda to naive, not overly bright people on a steady basis you get the Tea Party mentality that’s paralyzing our country. Way to go….!

I knew you’d like… Vaya con Dios

Back in 19th century NYC, there were competing fire brigades.  They would often fight each other at the site of fires instead of putting them out.

I’ve heard arguments supporting the privatization of the court system.  I cannot imagine how we could accomplish that without ending up with some sort of poly law.

A long time ago, Plato sat on the steps of a temple in Athens and asked his students:  ”what if we were to privatize the city police?”  That is dialectic philosophy, question and answer, followed by more questions and who knows where such will lead?

Rousseau and Locke asked questions and Mr. Jefferson picked up on those questions.  Mr. Jefferson and company asked more questions and found more answers…

What are you afraid of SMALD4LIB?  Oh yes: “an elitist intellectual who has gotten rich selling libertarian foolishness.”  That is what you are afraid of?

As for me, I am afraid you and your fear of new ideas that you don’t understand.  Yes, I am very afraid of you.  History tells me that I should be very wary of you and your ilk, whether in the form of the political or theological, you are to be feared.

Purveyor

Philosophy, the dialectic, thinking out of the box eludes you, doesn’t it?  

“If you don’t understand it, get rid of it.”

Your political orthodoxy is to be feared as you would stifle ideas.  Just re-read your post…

Purveyor

Agreed, however, I do find the proposal interesting and that maybe something positive can emerge. Governance has severely discredited itself, but anarchy is not a solution either. Still, the idea spawns several permutations worth examining. Thanks, “poly-law” a new and unique phrase? Well done.

As a Libertarian, Stossel says things that many people think, but is outside of mainstream political orthodoxy. If you free your mind, Libertarianism will probably make sense to you, but I’m guessing that you’re afraid to think for yourself.

and there were professional arsonist paid to start fires so the brigades could work.

Does this smell of feudalism?

I give Stossell credit for going to those libertarian places, but it was not fair to picture him next to a dog.

If it’s true that lightning never strikes twice in the same place…in this case, that’s a damn shame.

Stossel is an idiot you idiot!!!!And dog is a dog. can anyone imagine the corruption. blackwater!!!!

LOL

LOL

VALKYRIE,

My sentiments also.  I don’t know if you scrolled down further, but I left some comments with my peculiar aplomb, that you might enjoy?  LOL

There are 4 or 5 posts that expound on Stossel’s and Dog’s interview.  One in particular, the 4th one down (?)  I ask whether America could/should become an international mercenary force, as that is one thing we do well–make war?  

Check them out, maybe tell me what you think.  You seem to appreciate the usefulness of asking questions.

Purveyor

Wow, you are a cretin. And libs like you ARE racists!

Look into the program that has been in effect in San Francisco since about the same time as the SFPD was started. The private police (real police power) are far more effective and proactive in their communities than government police.

Roderrick2011,
What do you think Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) does?
How about G4S?
How about GEO?
It is a little late to get into a debate about something that is already happening. As a matter of fact, in June the former head of the Federal Bureau of Prisons went to work for CCA. 
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/federal-prison-director-takes-job-private-prison-company

Except for the Fact that he didn’t say anything like that,… yeah, whatever….

There is a privatized “court” system that many businesses find to be more economical, faster to reach a decision, and as free of corruption as any system can be. It is called arbitration.

(This is not done in criminal situations and I am sure would not work.)

Many arbitrators are retired judges or not-retired lawyers who specialize in business law. The business parties agree in advance, by writing it into the contract, that arbitration will be used, and both parties will agree to the selection of a reputable arbitrator and abide by his/her decision. This greatly reduces costs since no lawyers need be involved (don’t worry for them, they get their cut when the contracts are made), the wait time is greatly reduced because arbitrators are not as busy as court systems are, and there is no danger of excessive monetary punishment as might be awarded by a jury. Best of all, arbitration is not subject to public disclosure, so reputations are protected in a way that a public trial could not protect them.

If the losing side reneges, the winner can take that and the arbitrator’s decision to “public” court.

There is a lesser method that is even more cost efficient, and that is the use of a mediator. The mediator works out a compromise between “warring” parties, and this works well when there is a genuine misunderstanding or an incident of force majeure (AKA Act of God) as opposed to an intentional breach of contract. In other words, both sides might salvage something from a deal gone bad.

During the Gulf War, Saudi Arabia offered to pay $1,000 per month to every American soldier in the war theater. (This would be added to regular pay from America, of course.) That sounded good to me, but I understood when President Bush (the first) said American soldiers are not mercenaries!

Yes GO DOG!  Let’s bust all these criminals that’s making our lives miserable.

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Can anyone imagine the corruption of the State and the Police?  How easy is it for citizens and tax payers to fire the police?  Libertarians do not support foreign wars and have big issues with Blackwater as well.