The Libertarians cant get their message clear enough, you either want it or not. Ron Paul sorted himself out during one of the hurricanes, but some of the wannabe just cant get it right, and they crack under pressure.

Kam Fet, I do think Stossel and Paul are situational libertarians. They don’t want the government involved in anything, until the want the government involved.

Not surprised. All anti-govenment fundamentalists hate government…until the one day they don’t, and instead come and beg for help. Libertarianism and anti-governmentalism is just as much of a crazy of an ideology as communism.

Pretty much they all come falling down sooner or later. Alan Greenspan in the committee hearing…George W. Bush after TARP. Now the King of Libertarianism Mr. Stossel himself. Can’t wait for Rand Paul.

Kam Fet says:
June 2, 2010 at 9:21 am

You didn’t read the story or watch the clip, did you?

The Real Royal King says:
June 2, 2010 at 9:32 am

You didn’t read the story or watch the clip, did you?

m says:
June 2, 2010 at 9:57 am

You didn’t read the story or watch the clip, did you?

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Apparently, you guys think that Libertarians want no government. You’re mistaking them, with anarchists… and there’s a difference. If there wasn’t, folks like Rand Paul and Ron Paul wouldn’t have run for congress in the first place!

Limited government… not “no” government. Government’s role was to prove oversight… which they failed to do. The overwhelming Libertarian philosophy is that government can’t quite get it right… and it appears, the BP spill is further proof. Government should manage the cleanup… that’s their responsibility. Too bad, they’re failing at that too.

People need to research Libertarianism before commenting. We are not against the Government. We are actually pro Government. Limited Government to be exact. One that is controlled by the people who put them there to begin with. The way things are now the Government Acts on their own accord. Responsible to no one. Both Republican, and Democrat voters have allowed this to happen. The Government “will” step in if BP does not get a handle on this. Not the way we libertarians want though. They will nationalize the oil industry. When this happens. Say goodbye to cheap gas prices….

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2010/05/27/nationalize

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@ImNotBlue and Burnnotice , as usual the pair of you do not know what you are talking about. You adopt Libertarian cause you think its hip. Do you know they originally cmae from Liberals?

1. If you are Libertarian as you said, how come I see you want the Government to always help out the Israelis. I’m sure Ron Paul is not for that. According to him, foreign matters should be isolated, unless attacked.

2. In the end you pick and chose what suits you from their policy. You have no conviction, you only have unclear state of mind.

King:

” I do think Stossel and Paul are situational libertarians. They don’t want the government involved in anything, until the want the government involved.”

That is a lie. I challenge you to find a statement by either man that says “government should not be involved in anything.” They are not anarchists. You need to admit that you are wrong, lied or you need to find a quote were both men said that.

There is nothing counter to what Stossel said an having libertarian views. The US Constitution clearly defines the role of government, and the 10th Amendment clearly states that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The states have no jurisdiction in federal or international waters. The federal government clearly has a role in this clean up.

Goodness, INB and LNR, you two really do have your knickers in a knot this morning. I specifically said that the two referenced nincompoops find a role for government. That role seems to be whenever it is convenient and agreeable to the two of them. I certainly never called them anarchists. The last true anarchist of whom I am aware in the US is Emma Goldmann. Stossel and Paul are simply dainty tea-sipping dandies who want the government to attend to whatever needs they may have, at no sacrifice to them. All the Marys in Heaven, the want the government to do more for them, personally, than I would ever envision wanting for myself.

Now you’re back tracking KIng. There is a specific role of the government, just read the US Constitution and there you have it. Believing that the federal government should address disasters in federal and international waters is clearly within the scope of their responsibility. The states have no jurisdiction in those waters.

@ Kam Fet

Ok you busted me. I’m a Liberal! Always have been. A Classic Liberal to be exact. Your problem is you need to pigeon hole everyone! Us Libertarians “don’t.” We are a party of free thinking Americans that believe in individual rights. This nation is a Republic. The Government works for the people. They will do as they are told by the voters! Not the other way around, as progressives want. When a company like BP fails to hold up to their end of an responsibility. It is up to the people of this country to take action via their Representatives. The U. S. Government! The Government will Contract out a private industry to handle the problem! Not make a new law or regulation mandating something to be done. This is how Libertarianism works! Using Government as a tool to accomplish the task at hand. In the end, it is you that does not understand. If you need more info please go to http://www.libertarianism.com/

I don’t disagree with you position on this matter, LNR. My disagreement is with your interpretation of Stossel’s and Paul’s “flexible” views.

Kam Fet says:
June 2, 2010 at 11:20 am

@ImNotBlue and Burnnotice , as usual the pair of you do not know what you are talking about. You adopt Libertarian cause you think its hip. Do you know they originally cmae from Liberals?

One, I’m not a Libertarian… and two, who cares where it came from? What could that possibly matter?

1. If you are Libertarian as you said,

Where did I say that?

…how come I see you want the Government to always help out the Israelis.

We’re not supposed to have allies?

I’m sure Ron Paul is not for that. According to him, foreign matters should be isolated, unless attacked.

Yet another reason why I’m not a Libertarian… despite what you’ve said.

2. In the end you pick and chose what suits you from their policy. You have no conviction, you only have unclear state of mind.

So you believe that people need to rigidly accept a political ideology, agree with it 100%, and never sway from the ideology? Wow. And here I thought you’d be a “big tent” type of person. Apparently, you don’t believe in free thought, or combination of ideas.

Yikes.

The Real Royal King says:
June 2, 2010 at 11:42 am

Goodness, INB and LNR, you two really do have your knickers in a knot this morning.

Well, that’s true. I’m waiting for my television to get repaired by Geek Squad… and they’re late… and I’m not confident they’ll fix it, which means I’ll have to buy another one… and so on. So yes, a little knotted this morning… but, my statement on this topic is still valid and relevant.

I specifically said that the two referenced nincompoops find a role for government. That role seems to be whenever it is convenient and agreeable to the two of them. I certainly never called them anarchists.

No, you didn’t. However, you seem to think they are anarchists… not Libertarians. There’s a difference. Libertarians have a role for government… a limited role, but a role none-the-less. Anarchists think the government has no role, and should be dissolved. It’s YOUR interpretation and application of their theory that’s incorrect.

Stossel and Paul are simply dainty tea-sipping dandies who want the government to attend to whatever needs they may have, at no sacrifice to them.

Well, that’s simply not true. They want limited government intervention… LIMITED. There’s a difference in the government organizing an oil cleanup, and the government owning a car company!

All the Marys in Heaven, the want the government to do more for them, personally, than I would ever envision wanting for myself.

And here I thought you were FOR the bank take over.

I blame Obama for the slow clean up. I want to see the commie out there with a mop and bucket. Now there is a job he might be qualified for

This about a catastrophe of huge magnitude and you idiots argue political slant and affiliation? The crux of this mess and others is, the government failed to protect us from the BP mess, Katrina and so on, due to the total lack of monitoring of safety procedures and offering “lavish gifts” to those who were placed in positions to ensure these disasters would not happen. Look at the government’s success rate of monitoring big business; food processing (millions of pounds of ground beef sicken and kill), pharmaceutical (vioxx, for instance) killed over 100,000 of us, they made their billions on the release of a proprietary drug, murdered innocent victims, who sued or settled for millions = immense profit, we are guinea pigs and the list goes on and on. The BP mess could have been averted. Stossel is right, the rules are in place, the enforcement of said rules is now floating in the Gulf of Mexico. Wake up fools, local, state and federal government is broken from top to bottom. Your silly assed rantings about, Republicans vs. Democrats vs. Libertarians is pure nonsense, get to the issues that are necessary FIXING OUR GOVERNMENTAL PROCESS!!

Ya So There….