OK, that guy is not helping making Mormons less creepy. 

Do Americans like to believe themselves as Idiots?

So will the bishop Mitt Romney eventually be appointed prophet if he wins the presidency? Of course we are suppose to believe that God controls that process, but we know that mortal men actually appoint people to these positions without divine influence.

You’re Creepy!

BOO!

Mormons believe in polygamy in the afterlife, baptizing the dead, that god is a cloud in space named Kolob, that black people have the mark of Cain and are descenders of Satan, they believe that you get your own planet when you die if you’ve been really good…weird is the minimum.

Your smartass comment is interesting given how your ‘savior’ was supposed to have parted the seas and with but a gesture bring peace to the world.  How’s that workin out for ya?

Quite well, Employment is trending favorably, stock market is way up, Bin Laden is dead, Health care bill was passed, social conservatives are marginalized, etc…

Marginalized or hostage?   One party rule has been a disaster for most of the citizens of this country.  The 20 something percent that are liberals are happy as clams, the rest of us are paying for it.  And will pay, and pay, and pay.  I’m glad your having fun while it lasts.

“Even this nation (the US) will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.” 
― Joseph Smith Jr.

Here comes the “Utah Strategy.”

Those on the left (and some on the right) trying to bring down Romney’s candidacy will use his religion as a weapon against him, attempting to present it as “weird” or “unacceptable,” or “not really Christian.”

It’s bigotry, and should be unacceptable… but as we have seen before, there will be plenty of people willing to violate their core beliefs (equality, etc.) to attack someone on the other side of aisle. Sad, but true.

I wonder how Harry Reid feels about all this.

As an RC, the Baptism of the Dead into this cult is a great blasphemy. The notion that some kooky cultist in Utah is being a proxy for my mother’s Baptism is deeply, deeply offensive. The serial Baptisms for Holocaust victims even more so …. Jewish organization have a commitment from the LDS that this Holocaust victim Baptism practice will cease, and I have written letters to the LDS “Home Office” to ask it cease for my mother and my family members, but I can’t imagine why we would trust the LDS to stop this. Despicable.

I am pleased to learn polygamy is a way to build community. I guess that makes Willard’s grandfater a community organizer. Who knew?

Mormons do believe in polygamy after death, but it is not a requirement. Baptizing the dead is the only thing that can be done to save the billions of unbaptized people who would go to Hell just for being born in the wrong part of the world. God is not a cloud, we were made in God’s image, are we clouds? We have bodies, God has one too. Kolob is a star, like our sun. When asked where God lived, he said Kolob is the closest star to him, as it is on the outskirts of our known universe. God is not living on Kolob, a star. Black people were once mentioned as decendents of Cain, but it is no longer shown or explained that way. Descenders of Satan went to Hell, black people are not in Hell. Getting their own planet is something you made up. Mormons believe in eternal progression, and as stated before, we are made in God’s image, and his children may progress to a state of godlyness, not equal or higher than God, as he will always be our God and creator. But we may also have the chance to create. You interpret own planet, Mormons interpret as entire universes.
It may sound strange, but at least get it right if you are going to say it is strange.

They aren’t even going to have to bring up Romneys religion to smash him. He’s going to go down in flames.

Mormons are also polytheistic, their temple traditions are based on Mason traditions (and I think we can all agree Masons are weird), the religion was founded by a man who regularly ‘dug for treasure’ and their church is also one of the largest corporations in the world. 

These are all weird things.  Churches shouldn’t be corporations, that alone is weird enough to label the religion weird.  But add all the stranger elements, like Porter Rockwell, a consistent, elected prophet who speaks to god in a specialized room and you’ve got a pretty crazy religion.  

My favorite element of the Mormons is that the church regularly collects old books of Mormon and destroys them because they are constantly amending their holy book…thats WEIRD!

The only difference between progressives and Mormons is that Mormons prefer to marry the women they take to bed, unlike the progressives that go from whore to whore, daily!

No, the difference is Mormon men ask each whore they meet to join their harem, under the guise of marriage or not.

I black and I’m very offended by this belief system. The Cain issue is bad because it took them over 100+ years to refute the folly.

For every belief system, we must look to their founders to know more about it. That is, we should take an objective look at them all.

Wanna know more about the fundamentals of Buddhism? — Look at Guatama Buddha.
Wanna know more about the fundamentals Christianity? — Look at Jesus’ life
Wanna know more about the fundamentals of Mormonism? — Look at Joseph Smith’s life.

You will be surprised.

Mark Twain summed up the Book of Mormon best: “chloroform in print.”
http://brettcottrell.blogspot.com/2012/02/mark-twain-on-book-of-mormon-chloroform.html

Mo Fokker, I said “Mormon” not Muslim!

Even the book of Mormon does not support the doctrines of the mormon cult.  Joseph Smith was not prophet and mormonism is not a religion.  However, if you folks want to believe in a god over earth was once a physical man, and a Jesus Christ who is half borther to Satan, a Jesus Christ who was the result of a sexual relationship between the god-man and Mary, baptism for the dead, no trinity, the resurrection of Christ has no meaning and an entire man made list of BS that is not Christian…..then the mormon cult is for you.

This is what religious cults do.  It is one of their many hallmarks.  Religions do not have to burn their religious texts because they do not have to change their doctrines to remain consistent with their religious texts.  Cults make up the ideas first and then twists the texts of a religion out of context in order to pose as a relgion.  This is the part that people do not get when it comes to cults.  Cults are simply posers.  The Jehovah’s cult is no different.

You have some points correct and are way off on some points regarding the mormon cult.  Mormonism does teach that you and your eternally pregnant wife will once day get your own little planet.  If you want to call that “made up” then you also need to face up to the fact that all mormon doctrine is “made up”.  Cults make up their doctrines and then they bastardize some religion’s book of scriptures as a way to support those man made ideas.  Mormonism is strange becasue people are actually dumb enough to buy into this stuff instead of doing their homework.  It like all cults, is simply another poser. 

Mormon’s are creepy.  They do this to themselves and are living proof that most people are basically stupid when it comes to religion or joinging cults like mormonism.

It is refreshing to hear someone finally cut to the chase and quit playing political correctness as your are absolutely correct uncleduke.  None of the teachings of the mormon cult are Christian.  mormonism like all cults, is simply another poser. 

Baptism for the dead is one of the many many screwed up mormon cult teachings that are not Christian.  Even Christ’s death, burial and resurrection means nothing in the mormon cult.  Put simply,  Mormonism is not Christian.  Even the book  of mormon does not support the screwed up ideas within mormon doctrine.  This cult just as with the Jehovah’s Witness cult is the result of one person’s human greed and people ignorant stupidity and willingness to follow anyone.

What planet are you living on???  Mormon cultists are no different than anyone else when it comes to chasing tail.  I personally know a lot of mormons out here in Arizona who will screw anyting with or without a pulse.

I had no idea Rudy Guiliani and Newton Leroy and Jon Ensign and Mark Sanford were Progressives.

Vomiting is not a pleasant way to begin a weekend!

Momonsim does not represent anything but the lowest common denominator of human stupidity.  If you don’t believe me, just come to Arizona and I’ll show them to you.  They’ll believe anything you tell them.

Josph Smith was one very messed up idiot.  He never did an honest day’s work in his life so he started his own cult because people will believe just about anything. It was a great way to make money because it’s only requirement is that you have absolutely no personal integrity or honesty whatsoever.  If he were around now I’d be willing to bet dollars to pesos that he can snort as much cocaine in 5 minutes as his contemporaries like Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck.

In all my lifetime as a Mormon, I’ve never heard of destroying old copies of our Book of Mormon. I cherish all my old copies and inherited copies. I even bought a facimile of the original 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon, which was before it was divided into chapters and verses, for comparison purposes. The Book of Mormon’s testimony of Jesus Christ strengthens my faith in God.

Open a new copy of the Book of Mormon and your 1830 copy.  Compare.

http://saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/mormonism/significant-changes-in-the-book-of-mormon

Significant changes have been made.

All religions are cults.It’s impossible too bridge the gap of any mythical religion and fact.In other words all religions are selling untrue myths.Just because a large group of sheeple believe,doesn’t make it true or factual.

What I hear is that my made up mythical relgion is better than your made up mythical religion.Open up the steeple and look at all the sheeple,truely amazing this depth of ignorance.

Why should anyone be tolerant of any made up mythical religion?This includes all religions.

Just like christians.

Romney got about 90% of the Utah primary vote in the last election. For those who question whether evangelicals will vote for a Mormon, I ask if Mormons will vote for a Christian?

 Mormons overwhelmingly voted for Bush.  And I can bet they would not support Harry Reed in a national election.  Don’t forget that Romney ran the Salt Lake City 2002 Olympics.  They know Romney and what he did for them.  They approve of Romney over Huntsman who was Utah’s governor.  Clearly it’s not just a “Mormon” thing.

“Momonsim does not represent anything but the lowest common denominator of human stupidity.”  I think you just described your own post, not Mormonism.

 Your version of Mormonism is nothing like the actual religion, thank God. 

 Joseph Smith believed in freeing slaves.  he believed in equality of the races.  He baptized blacks and gave them priesthood authority.  He sold his own horse to purchase and free the son of a black church member. 

I think you are the one who will be surprised if you read up on Joseph Smith.  I recommend the book Rough Stone Rolling. 

 Deseret Book, the official bookstore of the church sells an exact replica of the 1830 edition of the book of Mormon.  They are hardly hiding or destroying old copies.  What nonsense.

 Significant changes like spelling errors, chapter headings, punctuation and several omissions of “And it came to pass”.  Hardly Earth shattering.

 Reverences please to Mormons ever burning any books.

Romney would first have to be appointed an apostle, and then outlive all the other appostles.  The president of the church is the senior (earliest ordained) apostle.  Romney’s highest church position was a Stake president, a temporary position.  He may be a mission president one day, also a temporary position.  But even if he were made an apostle today, he would be way too old to ever live to be president.

Check out all the revisions my friend. Mormons are dedicated but they aren’t really detail oriented.

A religious person who denies evidence? Really? Wow! You really can’t even look this stuff up? Fundamental changes have been made where doctrine has changed.

I agree, the fact is that the mormons are a cult, they are secretive and I do not believe that they represent the american spirit.

And he also wrote the Book of mormon which says(2 nephi) that evil people were cursed by God with dark skin. None of his earthly benevolences come close to countering the libel against dark skin that his book includes. That dark skin is a sign of satan. That it can be cured and the sinner can become “white and delightsome”.

I guess you forgot this verse from 2 Nephi:

2 Nephi 26:33
33 For none of these
iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the
children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children
of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his
goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

None of what you said is correct. The term is baptism for the dead not baptism of the dead. It is an offering and that is all it is. The departed soul does not automatically become a Mormon. God is not a cloud and black people do not carry the mark of Cain nor are they decendants of Satan nor do really good Mormons get a planet once they die. There are some controlversial aspects to LDS theology but what you said is not part of the list.

Can you pray someone out of purgatory? If so, baptism for the dead is in that same line of thinking and is done with a similar end in mind. As far as your family goes, these ordinances are either done by a close relative or authorized by one. If you disagree you should talk to the person who asked for or authorized it.

Keep in mind the ordinance is strictly an offering and does not make someone a Mormon against his will. The persons name is not placed on the membership rolls of the Church nor do the living know whether they accept it.

Lying is not the same as stating facts.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead#The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacks_and_Mormonism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

Now do what all conservatives do in the face of evidence, make fun of Wikipedia.

Uncle that is just not correct. There is but one God, temple rites are not based on Masonic rites, Smith was hired by a man as a laborer to dig for treasure. If you read the family’s journals and letters the Smiths were in dire fiancial condition and about to loose the farm and so when this fellow offered to pay better than average wages, Joseph Sr and Joseph Jr took him up on it. They lost the farm anyway.

I don’t know what your problem is with Porter Rockwell but he was a personal guard to Brigham Young and others. I don’t think he ever was a member and defintley was never a leader. He was more of a gunslinger than anything else.

I have never heard of burning old Books of Mormon or any other church books. If that was the case they missed a whole bunch of them in the church libraries and history centers.

Take a few minutes UncleDuke and go to http://www.mormon.org and http://www.lds.org and find out for yourself what Mormons are about. If you are a scholarly sort you can go to http://www.fairlds.org and read about the controversial stuff.   

Editing and formatting was done in succeeding versions in the same way the bible was edited and formatted and some archane ancient terms were modernized to improve readability and help with comprehension.  

Keep in mind Jospeh interpreted the book. He didn’t write it. The orignal language was written in a version of Egyptian that was hybridized with ancient Hebrew.  

Wikipedia is only as good as those who edit it. Often the information is lacking or incorrect. Anyone can write anything. It is more opinion than fact based. If you use Wikipedia you have to balance with other opinions and research. Be picky when it comes to who you read. Get a wide variety.  

You did one good thing though. You went looking for documentation to support your contention. That is a good thing. Too many people just riop off a bunch of nonsense without ever attempting find out if it is correct. In this case though you have to read what others have to contribute to the story too.

Mormonism and its roots is an interesting bit of history and is worthy of doing some work to find out the real story. You won’t find much in any Wiki article. That isn’t where the serious scholars publish their work. Just for kicks, go to http://www.fairlds.org to see what the Mormon egg heads have to say about all the stuff you talk about.

 Another intersting sourse to read about Christianity, the first century church, the apostles and the bible is Bart Ehrman.  Google him . I hrtink Wikipedia has some information too.

What you quoted can not be traced back to Smith. The piece is something that came to light decades after Smith was killed and, as I recall, is supposed to be the recollection of someone who may or may not have been present when it was supposed to have been uttered. In any regard it is not official Church doctrine and is at best opinion or a kind of urban myth. LDS scholars seem to think it is fiction. Go to http://www.fairlds.org and look up White Horse prophecy.

ChOb  
The church is not racist. Keep in mind some of the leadership had racist opinions and those have been tossed around as though it is official doctrine. It is not.

As regards Smith life, I assume you are talking about plural marriage and his many youthful wives. If the story is true where are all the children from those relationships? To my understanding there are none except for those he had with Emma. If there was all that carnal knowledge going on where did the babies go?

To my knowledge there is nothing about Joseph’s side of the story. Everything
is rumor or stuff he was supposed to have said or done but nothing about what Joseph
had to say except in the most general terms. I am not an expert but if it existed
I am sure it would be all over Mormondom.

It is very hard to read. In some spots it is much worse than others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry

Mormon temple worship shares an extensive commonality of symbols, signs, vocabulary and clothing with Freemasonry, including robes, aprons, handshakes, ritualistic raising of the arms, etc.[4] The interpretation of many of these symbols has been adapted to the Mormon narrative from their original meanings in Freemasonry. For example, whereas Masons exchange secret handshakes to identify fellow Freemasons, Mormonism teaches that these handshakes must be given to sentinel angels in order for Mormons to be admitted into the highest kingdom of heaven. Mormon temple garments also bear the Masonic symbols of the Square and Compass, although Mormons have imbued these symbols with religious meaning that exceeds the meaning of the symbols as intended by Freemasonry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Rockwell

He was a hired assassin in the employ of the LDS church.

BEHOLD THE CHANGES TO THE BOOK OF MORMON:
http://www.mazeministry.com/machine/machine.htm

http://www.mazeministry.com/machine/machine.htm
These are beyond formatting changes my friend. Believe what you want, but facts are facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Book_of_Mormon

The evidence is pretty convincing.

Critics point out that the Book of Mormon contains references to various plants and animals (horses, swine, etc.) that did not exist in the Americas at the time of the story. Critics also point out that the Book of Mormon contains references to various technologies (chariots, steel, etc.) that did not exist in the Americas at the time of the story.

The Book of Mormon suggests that the Native Americans are descended from people who came to the Americas by boat from the Middle East. However, scientists have used techniques involving genetic markers to conclude that Native American genes are of Asian, not Middle Eastern in origin. Apologists argue that the Middle Eastern genes in Native Americans may have been diluted beyond what can now be detected; there is currently no way to verify this claim with genetic evidence.

I lived in Utah for 12 years, and I’ve read more than I want to recount of Mormon history and tradition. While I find all religions silly, Mormonism does ask its followers to believe rather ridiculous things and does have a very healthy strain of racism and sexism.

The Mark of Cain business is especially offensive to me, and while I know the church has tried to distance itself from this perspective, any self-respecting Mormon should have spoken out against this nonsense (including a rather silent Mitt Romney, who never spoke out against the Mark of Cain stuff).

As for Wikipedia, you can say what you want, it is a fairly reasonable source of information. If you question one of my points, tell me what it is. Tell me where in the wiki entry it says something wrong.

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