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		<title>By: Sunnyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunnyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: FlyDiesel</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlyDiesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen

Fewer people will trust 60 Minutes (or CBS &#039;no bias&#039; non-investigations)  following Sep 8, 2004 than trust Nielsen. :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen</p>
<p>Fewer people will trust 60 Minutes (or CBS &#8216;no bias&#8217; non-investigations)  following Sep 8, 2004 than trust Nielsen. :-D</p>
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		<title>By: MedfordTim</title>
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		<dc:creator>MedfordTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ImNotBlue and CaptainAmerica, thank you. I noticed no rudeness, don&#039;t give it a thought.

Yes, I can do all that research on my own - including noting that SpongeBob and Hannah Montana regularly kick ALL the Cable News networks behinds. What I can do really wasn&#039;t my point. It&#039;s what I feel the responsibility of someone whose job it is to keep us informed is - to give us ALL the facts.

You know, the old &quot;Who, What, When, Where, Why&quot; credo. In much of today&#039;s news, the &quot;Why&quot; is too often thrown to the curbside. I, for one, like the &quot;Why.&quot; I grew up in a time when &quot;in-depth&quot; reporting was the norm rather than the exception. I miss that. Instead, we get USA Today type short, incomplete articles in the written world and 5 minute interviews on TV. I detest the notion that people only have a MTV attention span - is it cause or effect?

But, I&#039;m sorry, we&#039;ll have to leave it there as that&#039;s all the time we have - we&#039;re up against a hard break and couldn&#039;t possibly return to this subject after that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ImNotBlue and CaptainAmerica, thank you. I noticed no rudeness, don&#8217;t give it a thought.</p>
<p>Yes, I can do all that research on my own &#8211; including noting that SpongeBob and Hannah Montana regularly kick ALL the Cable News networks behinds. What I can do really wasn&#8217;t my point. It&#8217;s what I feel the responsibility of someone whose job it is to keep us informed is &#8211; to give us ALL the facts.</p>
<p>You know, the old &#8220;Who, What, When, Where, Why&#8221; credo. In much of today&#8217;s news, the &#8220;Why&#8221; is too often thrown to the curbside. I, for one, like the &#8220;Why.&#8221; I grew up in a time when &#8220;in-depth&#8221; reporting was the norm rather than the exception. I miss that. Instead, we get USA Today type short, incomplete articles in the written world and 5 minute interviews on TV. I detest the notion that people only have a MTV attention span &#8211; is it cause or effect?</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;m sorry, we&#8217;ll have to leave it there as that&#8217;s all the time we have &#8211; we&#8217;re up against a hard break and couldn&#8217;t possibly return to this subject after that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously doubt this.  Has anyone done a serious investigation of how ratings happen?  Here&#039;s when these doubts cropped up:  Back when the Bush administration&#039;s ratings were in the toilet, SOMEHOW, Fox News (sic) who was doing nothing be carrying water for Bush, had fantastic ratings?  How was that possible?  I had to wonder if someone was gaming the ratings?  What are these ratings anyway?  It&#039;s referred to but never questioned (that I&#039;ve seen).  I&#039;d like to see a serious expose&#039; on &quot;ratings.&quot;  Where&#039;s 60 Minutes when you need them?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously doubt this.  Has anyone done a serious investigation of how ratings happen?  Here&#8217;s when these doubts cropped up:  Back when the Bush administration&#8217;s ratings were in the toilet, SOMEHOW, Fox News (sic) who was doing nothing be carrying water for Bush, had fantastic ratings?  How was that possible?  I had to wonder if someone was gaming the ratings?  What are these ratings anyway?  It&#8217;s referred to but never questioned (that I&#8217;ve seen).  I&#8217;d like to see a serious expose&#8217; on &#8220;ratings.&#8221;  Where&#8217;s 60 Minutes when you need them?  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: straitshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>straitshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Chris Wallace make a series of crude, classless oral sex jokes on a national broadcast? Post the link or transcript. If it&#039;s true, I will absolutely hold him to the same standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Chris Wallace make a series of crude, classless oral sex jokes on a national broadcast? Post the link or transcript. If it&#8217;s true, I will absolutely hold him to the same standard.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;He never should have said it. He never should have done it. A bad idea that is haunting him for obvious professional and personal reasons. That’s when he came out of the closet and stopped pretending to be something he’s not: a real journalist.

If you held for example Chris Wallace to the same standard, you&#039;d be foaming at the mouth by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;He never should have said it. He never should have done it. A bad idea that is haunting him for obvious professional and personal reasons. That’s when he came out of the closet and stopped pretending to be something he’s not: a real journalist.</p>
<p>If you held for example Chris Wallace to the same standard, you&#8217;d be foaming at the mouth by now.</p>
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		<title>By: straitshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>straitshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word for Anderson Cooper: Teabagger.

He never should have said it. He never should have done it. A bad idea that is haunting him for obvious professional and personal reasons. That&#039;s when he came out of the closet and stopped pretending to be something he&#039;s not: a real journalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One word for Anderson Cooper: Teabagger.</p>
<p>He never should have said it. He never should have done it. A bad idea that is haunting him for obvious professional and personal reasons. That&#8217;s when he came out of the closet and stopped pretending to be something he&#8217;s not: a real journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: libra blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>libra blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how much money CNN and Klein pump into Anderson&#039;s show or how much they pimp him and promote him every chance they get, and no matter how many times he appears at numerous charity events, his numbers keep falling.  Can you imagine what would happen if his competition had that much push behind them? Jon Klein&#039;s Golden Boy just ain&#039;t delivering the goods because people don&#039;t trust what he says any longer.  He tells viewers that he doesn&#039;t voice an opinion on his show and that he presents both sides of the issues, but most of the time that isn&#039;t true.  He shows favoritism and insults those who disagree with what he believes is the truth or the right point of view, by insulting them and cutting them short when they try to make a point.  Hell, 360 even censors their AC360 blog comments to reflect the CNN agenda so many viewers have stopped even trying to post to it.   

His nightly Obama lovefest is becoming quite tiresome as well.   

Anderson not only insulted the tea party protesters, but he insulted and allowed his panelists to insult Hillary Clinton&#039;s followers.  He even insulted his own viewers!  

Someone should remind him that without viewers he doesn&#039;t have a show.  CNN set him up with an email address, a blog, a Face Book account, and a Twitter account, but he doesn&#039;t bother with any of that, he is much too important to take an interest in anything the viewers have to say, after all he is now a full blown elitist Vanderbilt celebrity who spends his time curling his tongue at celebrity DNA testing parties or flaunting his bulging biceps biking through the streets of NYC or exercising in the window of his favorite gym.  The only reason he even Twitters is because Kelly Ripa encouraged him to do so.   

I used to really like Anderson, but he isn&#039;t the journalist he used to be or the journalist some of us thought he was.  His defenders will make excuses for him, but the facts are the facts and now the ratings are reflecting those facts.  I doubt there is anything he can do to regain his credibility.     

I wonder how &quot;Adonis&quot; feels being beaten on a regular basis by Lunatic Olbermann, Crazy Nancy, and the Crypt Keeper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how much money CNN and Klein pump into Anderson&#8217;s show or how much they pimp him and promote him every chance they get, and no matter how many times he appears at numerous charity events, his numbers keep falling.  Can you imagine what would happen if his competition had that much push behind them? Jon Klein&#8217;s Golden Boy just ain&#8217;t delivering the goods because people don&#8217;t trust what he says any longer.  He tells viewers that he doesn&#8217;t voice an opinion on his show and that he presents both sides of the issues, but most of the time that isn&#8217;t true.  He shows favoritism and insults those who disagree with what he believes is the truth or the right point of view, by insulting them and cutting them short when they try to make a point.  Hell, 360 even censors their AC360 blog comments to reflect the CNN agenda so many viewers have stopped even trying to post to it.   </p>
<p>His nightly Obama lovefest is becoming quite tiresome as well.   </p>
<p>Anderson not only insulted the tea party protesters, but he insulted and allowed his panelists to insult Hillary Clinton&#8217;s followers.  He even insulted his own viewers!  </p>
<p>Someone should remind him that without viewers he doesn&#8217;t have a show.  CNN set him up with an email address, a blog, a Face Book account, and a Twitter account, but he doesn&#8217;t bother with any of that, he is much too important to take an interest in anything the viewers have to say, after all he is now a full blown elitist Vanderbilt celebrity who spends his time curling his tongue at celebrity DNA testing parties or flaunting his bulging biceps biking through the streets of NYC or exercising in the window of his favorite gym.  The only reason he even Twitters is because Kelly Ripa encouraged him to do so.   </p>
<p>I used to really like Anderson, but he isn&#8217;t the journalist he used to be or the journalist some of us thought he was.  His defenders will make excuses for him, but the facts are the facts and now the ratings are reflecting those facts.  I doubt there is anything he can do to regain his credibility.     </p>
<p>I wonder how &#8220;Adonis&#8221; feels being beaten on a regular basis by Lunatic Olbermann, Crazy Nancy, and the Crypt Keeper?</p>
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		<title>By: CaptainAmerica</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaptainAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here you go Tim:

Nielsen Cable Network Coverage Estimates (as of September, 2009)

CNN/HLN: 99.098 million HHs

CNBC: 96.78 million HHs

FNC: 96.26  million HHs

MSNBC: 92.64 million HHs

Nielsen TV Ratings Data: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.
www.tvbythenumbers.com


As you can see the numbers are pretty insignificant.  Especially since CNN is in 100 million homes and they are the 4th place network.

MSNBC is a crap channel.  CNN beats it in total viewers everyday.  MSNBC   For the 3rd quarter MSNBC finished way back at #30 in total day programming.  It isn&#039;t a very watched network.  FNC on the other hand finished 4th among all networks.   CNN finished #20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here you go Tim:</p>
<p>Nielsen Cable Network Coverage Estimates (as of September, 2009)</p>
<p>CNN/HLN: 99.098 million HHs</p>
<p>CNBC: 96.78 million HHs</p>
<p>FNC: 96.26  million HHs</p>
<p>MSNBC: 92.64 million HHs</p>
<p>Nielsen TV Ratings Data: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.<br />
<a href="http://www.tvbythenumbers.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tvbythenumbers.com</a></p>
<p>As you can see the numbers are pretty insignificant.  Especially since CNN is in 100 million homes and they are the 4th place network.</p>
<p>MSNBC is a crap channel.  CNN beats it in total viewers everyday.  MSNBC   For the 3rd quarter MSNBC finished way back at #30 in total day programming.  It isn&#8217;t a very watched network.  FNC on the other hand finished 4th among all networks.   CNN finished #20.</p>
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		<title>By: ImNotBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>ImNotBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;m says: 
October 26, 2009 at 8:35 pm
If you want personality-driven shows, just flip to HLN.&lt;/i&gt;

I thought the purpose of HLN was so they could do the straight news, without the personality.  That would be their straight news channel, and CNN would be their discussion.  Seems they share that element... perhaps that&#039;s the problem.  Have CNN be exclusively one thing, and have HLN be the other.  The mish-mash isn&#039;t working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>m says:<br />
October 26, 2009 at 8:35 pm<br />
If you want personality-driven shows, just flip to HLN.</i></p>
<p>I thought the purpose of HLN was so they could do the straight news, without the personality.  That would be their straight news channel, and CNN would be their discussion.  Seems they share that element&#8230; perhaps that&#8217;s the problem.  Have CNN be exclusively one thing, and have HLN be the other.  The mish-mash isn&#8217;t working.</p>
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		<title>By: ImNotBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>ImNotBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;MedfordTim says: 
October 26, 2009 at 8:33 pm&lt;/i&gt;

Not to be rude, Tim... but you can do that research on your own.  The stats are out there and pretty easily accessible.  We&#039;ve discussed it here a number of times.

Yes, FNC is in more homes than MSNBC... however, the difference isn&#039;t overly significant.  If you breakdown by percentages (watchers vs. availability), FNC remains dominant by a whole heck of a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>MedfordTim says:<br />
October 26, 2009 at 8:33 pm</i></p>
<p>Not to be rude, Tim&#8230; but you can do that research on your own.  The stats are out there and pretty easily accessible.  We&#8217;ve discussed it here a number of times.</p>
<p>Yes, FNC is in more homes than MSNBC&#8230; however, the difference isn&#8217;t overly significant.  If you breakdown by percentages (watchers vs. availability), FNC remains dominant by a whole heck of a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;CNN’s continued attempts to present them selves as more news than opinion is not working. 

CNN is a very big journalistic entity. That one cable channel is just one slice of a very large pie. They run several channels and in different languages too. They have *the* world&#039;s biggest international news channel. They are one of the biggest news websites in the world (if you combine FoxNews.com with MSNBC.com and triple the numbers, you&#039;d get the same amount of hits as CNN.com).

I understand why they don&#039;t want to refocus themselves into becoming another Fox News or MSNBC. It&#039;s quite a testament to CNN&#039;s mission, actually. They&#039;d rather have straight news shows despite knowing that they&#039;d attain higher ratings. If you want personality-driven shows, just flip to HLN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;CNN’s continued attempts to present them selves as more news than opinion is not working. </p>
<p>CNN is a very big journalistic entity. That one cable channel is just one slice of a very large pie. They run several channels and in different languages too. They have *the* world&#8217;s biggest international news channel. They are one of the biggest news websites in the world (if you combine FoxNews.com with MSNBC.com and triple the numbers, you&#8217;d get the same amount of hits as CNN.com).</p>
<p>I understand why they don&#8217;t want to refocus themselves into becoming another Fox News or MSNBC. It&#8217;s quite a testament to CNN&#8217;s mission, actually. They&#8217;d rather have straight news shows despite knowing that they&#8217;d attain higher ratings. If you want personality-driven shows, just flip to HLN.</p>
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		<title>By: MedfordTim</title>
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		<dc:creator>MedfordTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While ratings are fun for advertisers, perhaps Mediaite could tell us the total number of households available to each cable network? I am under the impression that Fox is available as a basic package option to a much higher degree than MSNBC is. Are total exposure numbers factored in? I would expect the ratings of a network available to 2 million possible subscribers to be higher than those of one available to only 1 million. Are these findings worldwide or continental U.S. only? I appreciate Steve and Mediaite showing us this shiny new car of stats, but could you help me look under the hood and kick the tires so I can make an informed position instead of one based on superficiality? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While ratings are fun for advertisers, perhaps Mediaite could tell us the total number of households available to each cable network? I am under the impression that Fox is available as a basic package option to a much higher degree than MSNBC is. Are total exposure numbers factored in? I would expect the ratings of a network available to 2 million possible subscribers to be higher than those of one available to only 1 million. Are these findings worldwide or continental U.S. only? I appreciate Steve and Mediaite showing us this shiny new car of stats, but could you help me look under the hood and kick the tires so I can make an informed position instead of one based on superficiality? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1090494168">Serge Sretschinsky</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1090494168">Serge Sretschinsky</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but that&#039;s all we have time for. Looks like we&#039;ll have to leave it there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but that&#8217;s all we have time for. Looks like we&#8217;ll have to leave it there.</p>
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		<title>By: TfT</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will it be time for Jon Klein to go?  If not now, when????

CNN&#039;s continued attempts to present them selves as more news than opinion is not working.  Anyone who watches prime time and sees Carville, Begalla, Gerghan, Borger and other on air, know it&#039;s not news, but spin.  They need to admit it and just get better spinners or just fold up their tent completely.

Maybe the WH should declare war on CNN, then maybe their ratings would go up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will it be time for Jon Klein to go?  If not now, when????</p>
<p>CNN&#8217;s continued attempts to present them selves as more news than opinion is not working.  Anyone who watches prime time and sees Carville, Begalla, Gerghan, Borger and other on air, know it&#8217;s not news, but spin.  They need to admit it and just get better spinners or just fold up their tent completely.</p>
<p>Maybe the WH should declare war on CNN, then maybe their ratings would go up?</p>
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