Thoroughly enjoyed the interview Mr. President! A real class act.

When they played the clip of him at ground zero, I was trying to envision Obama first off climbing onto a dirt pile and then saying something as empassioned as Bush without his trusty teleprompter, but I just couldn’t see it.

This was a great interview. Lauer, did a nice job. Asked the tough questions, but was respectful and direct. Very good.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Thoroughly enjoyed the interview Mr. President! A real class act.

When they played the clip of him at ground zero, I was trying to envision Obama first off climbing onto a dirt pile and then saying something as empassioned as Bush without his trusty teleprompter, but I just couldn’t see it.

That’s a partisan cheap shot. Why is it even necessary? Bush was never known for his public speaking skills. He rose to the occasion and acted like a president. There’s no reason to believe Obama isn’t capable of doing the same.

@Mitchell
If you can’t see it, maybe you need a spec or a mind that can imagine. That’s all.

Paul, have you seen Obama off-prompter, it isn’t pretty. But you’re right, it was a cheap shot. I was however being honest that that is what popped into my head when they showed the clip.

But Michelle, Bush has never been a good public speaker. However, when he needed to, he rose to the occasion. No matter what your opinion of Obama and his “off-prompter” speaking abilities, there’s no reason to think he would not also rise to the occasion.

@Seeing 2012 From My Window
You can’t think, that’s the problem. You don’t have a mind to reflect or that’s bright enough to paint the picture for ya. Maybe you need a motion picture to show you how it goes step by step. The excuse they have for people like you now in present day education system is ‘dyslexia’.

Paul, to elaborate, I’ve always been annoyed at how Bush was portrayed as an idiot. The man clearly isn’t an idiot. Does he have trouble expressing what he wants sometimes? Absolutely. Obama, from day one, has been portrayed as an eloquent orator, but really it’s just that he can read a teleprompter like a champ. If he’s off-prompter, he’s no where near eloquent. Personally, I would rather have someone like Bush, who speaks from the heart and sometimes doesn’t do it well, than someone who writes everything down. To me, that is someone who is afraid of what he might say. It’s just a matter of what style you prefer.

I didn’t say Bush was an idiot, just that he’s never been a good public speaker. Public speaking is difficult. I am terrible at it. A nervous wreck.

Your analysis of Obama, his use of a teleprompter and his overall public speaking ability is just as much of an oversimplification as the one about Bush you dislike so much. Everything is just so damn partisan with you.

Paul, I wasn’t implying that you said Bush was an idiot, but you have to admit that is the collective thinking of most on your side. I’m not trying to be partisan, I just always get the feeling with Obama that he’s worried if he’s not using a teleprompter, he might tell you what he really thinks. And to be fair, I’ve heard alot of libs, including Chris Matthews say the same thing about his teleprompter use.

hard to say if he was in shock when informed that the second plane hit or if he was just trying to decide how long he should wait before attacking iraq.
i can’t get into his mind but i’m sure there are plenty of unidicted conspirators to ask.

@Seeing 2012 From My Window
Evidence?
Phonyyyyyyyyy! from UTAH.

I am currently reading White House Ghosts: Presidents and Their Speechwriters. It’s given me a new appreciation for the difficulty of public speaking when you’re the leader of the free world. It’s not as simple as “he’s a terrible public speaker” or “he can’t speak without a teleprompter.” Also, I think most of “my side” disagrees with Bush’s policies and leadership as opposed to believing he’s an idiot. Do some? Sure. But be wary of broad generalizations.

It’s a great book, by the way.

http://www.amazon.com/White-House-Ghosts-Presidents-Speechwriters/dp/0743291700/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289316080&sr=8-1

paulmdoro is right. There is oversimplification on both sides.

Bush was a terrible public speaker which lent to the perception that he isn’t intelligent when in fact, he is. I get a little tired of the “Bush is stupid” argumant.

Another little fact that gets overlooked about Bush is that he was a fighter pilot with hundreds of hours in the cockpit of a fighter plane (F-102 I think). Stupid people DO NOT qualify to fly one of those. He’s also a Harvard grad with a business degree. Oh, and the governor of Texas. Not bad for a dummy.

Without his teleprompter Obama stumbles like a stoned pot head trying to remember his phone number but to be fair, that truly is no test of how he would react in a truly devastating crisis like 9-11.

All that being said, there truly is no comparison bewteen the two. History and their records – or the lack thereof – speaks for itself.

Maybe we can wait for history to judge them before we definitely decide who was the better president. One remains in office while the other is not even 2 years removed.

Regarding Bush and his intelligence, just read a good piece on this.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-11-08/george-bushs-decision-points-mark-mckinnon-on-the-former-presidents-book/?cid=hp:mainpromo8

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Thoroughly enjoyed the interview Mr. President! A real class act.

When they played the clip of him at ground zero, I was trying to envision Obama first off climbing onto a dirt pile and then saying something as empassioned as Bush without his trusty teleprompter, but I just couldn’t see it.

How a man who started a pre-emptive war, without provocation, which resulted in wide-spread torture and the deaths of 77,000 civilians, can be a class act, I can’t imagine. How a man who squandered billions of dollars on the Invasion and Occupation can be a class act, I can’t imagine. How a man had his picture taken during an AF1 flyover whilst peering and drowning people and floating corpses can be a class act, I can’t imagine. How a man who drove our economy over the cliff without the slightest concern for the consequences can be a class act, I can’t imagine. “Class” must now mean ineptitude and crassness. When did I miss the change in definition?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Paul, I wasn’t implying that you said Bush was an idiot, but you have to admit that is the collective thinking of most on your side. I’m not trying to be partisan, I just always get the feeling with Obama that he’s worried if he’s not using a teleprompter, he might tell you what he really thinks. And to be fair, I’ve heard alot of libs, including Chris Matthews say the same thing about his teleprompter use.

You know very little about our side, Michelle-in-Utah, and you ought to stop pretending you do.

Gee, I wonder if President Bush will give an interview to MSNBC and their crack ‘reporters’ over there. LOL!

Nicely done Matt Lauer.

Good questions. Respectful.

paulmdoro said:
Maybe we can wait for history to judge them before we definitely decide who was the better president. One remains in office while the other is not even 2 years removed.

Regarding Bush and his intelligence, just read a good piece on this.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-11-08/george-bushs-decision-points-mark-mckinnon-on-the-former-presidents-book/?cid=hp:mainpromo8

This is true, Paul. History tends to be written much sooner now, the facts set much earlier, but it is still not instantaneous. While I tend to think that Poppy, who lest office immensely unpopular but has been rehabilitated to some degree will not set the pattern for his son (who I think will be judged as somewhat less than mediocre), I certainly cannot say that with certainty. So much was kept secret from us, much of it unnecessarily, that I think we have to wait for the filters to do their work. Certainly, Big Dick Cheney’s forthcoming book is going to tarnish W a bit, but other histories may be kinder.

Harry Flashman said:
that truly is no test of how he would react in a truly devastating crisis like 9-11. All that being said, there truly is no comparison bewteen the two. History and their records – or the lack thereof – speaks for itself.

I tend to agree. Good interview. Let’s not conflate Pres. Bush and Pres. Obama in a Pres. Bush Interview about Pres. Bush memoirs while he (not Obama) was President. That’s like Bringing in Fox News into a debate about Olbermann getting suspended by MSNBC (and not by Fox or Fox policy).

King says:

You know very little about our side, Michelle-in-Utah, and you ought to stop pretending you do.

Feel free to tell me what I got wrong about you libs.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
King says:

You know very little about our side, Michelle-in-Utah, and you ought to stop pretending you do.

Feel free to tell me what I got wrong about you libs.

When a person resorts to broad generalizations of a massive group of people, said generalization is often inaccurate.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
King says:

You know very little about our side, Michelle-in-Utah, and you ought to stop pretending you do.

Feel free to tell me what I got wrong about you libs.

Just minor things, like none of us support our troops, that we all believe scissors should be stuck in the heads of fetuses. The we all discriminate against Crackers. You know. Stuff like that.

Well, I dom’t recall saying none of you support our troops. And since you say you are pro-life, that scissor comment doesn’t apply to you. Do you all discriminate against “crackers”.? No, and I never said that.

Anything else?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Well, I dom’t recall saying none of you support our troops. And since you say you are pro-life, that scissor comment doesn’t apply to you. Do you all discriminate against “crackers”.? No, and I never said that.

Anything else?

I don’t want to speak for King, but I think he was speaking generally. You mentioned before that you think most liberals think Bush is a moron. The general perception among liberals is that most conservatives believe liberals hate the troops, which of course is a bunch of crap.

Paul Says:

You mentioned before that you think most liberals think Bush is a moron.

And I absolutely think that MOST libs have that opinion. I don’t think liberals HATE the troops and never said that. Now it’s you that is painting us with a broad brush.

The Real Royal King said:
How a man who started a pre-emptive war, without provocation, which resulted in wide-spread torture and the deaths of 77,000 civilians, can be a class act, I can’t imagine. How a man who squandered billions of dollars on the Invasion and Occupation can be a class act, I can’t imagine. How a man had his picture taken during an AF1 flyover whilst peering and drowning people and floating corpses can be a class act, I can’t imagine. How a man who drove our economy over the cliff without the slightest concern for the consequences can be a class act, I can’t imagine. “Class” must now mean ineptitude and crassness. When did I miss the change in definition?

I agree”W” said it best when he said He will be Dead when judgement on him falls.

Good interview. I don’t agree with many of the decisions Bush made, but it’s always good to get the person’s perspective, and at least get a sense of where they were coming from when they DID make those decisions.

Also, nice to hear him own up to some of his mistakes.

Also, while folks bicker, I’ll say one great thing about Bush — He has stayed above the fray since leaving office. He could get down in the dirt and slander Obama at every opportunity, and he hasn’t. That bring an air of respect to the title of ex-President, and I commend Bush for it.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Paul Says:

You mentioned before that you think most liberals think Bush is a moron.

And I absolutely think that MOST libs have that opinion. I don’t think liberals HATE the troops and never said that. Now it’s you that is painting us with a broad brush.

Talking to you can be frustrating. I am not painting with a broad brush. I never said that you believe liberals hate the troops. Please try and read more carefully. I said that in my opinion liberals believe that many conservatives think they don’t support the troops. How is that different from you saying that you believe most liberals think Bush is a moron?

paulmdoro said:
The general perception among liberals is that most conservatives believe liberals hate the troops, which of course is a bunch of crap.

So generalizing about generalizations, is generally bad in general ? I’m lost .

Paul, come on, you just did what you accuse us of doing. You don’t see that?

How about we just end the whole mess by agreeing that neither party hates the troops?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Paul, come on, you just did what you accuse us of doing. You don’t see that?

I did no such thing and accused you of nothing. I said that in my opinion, those left-of-center have the perception that those right-of-center assume they don’t support the troops. Does that really not make sense?

omega919 said:
How about we just end the whole mess by agreeing that neither party hates the troops?

Hooooray !

omega919 said:
How about we just end the whole mess by agreeing that neither party hates the troops?

Fair enough. If I expressed myself poorly I apologize. Probably typing too fast.

paulmdoro said:
I said that in my opinion liberals believe that many conservatives think they don’t support the troops. How is that different from you saying that you believe most liberals think Bush is a moron?

How many, is many conservatives? very few conservatives, minority of conservatives, half/half of conservatives or majority of conservatives? Or is this a gneralization argument against someone generalizing?

Paul, That’s what I did too, and you criticized me for it. That’s all I’m saying. When I said libs think Bush is an idiot, that is the impression the right has of the left’s impression of Bush. We can go round and round or just admit everyone is guilty of doing the same thing and let it go.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Paul, That’s what I did too, and you criticized me for it. That’s all I’m saying. When I said libs think Bush is an idiot, that is the impression the right has of the left’s impression of Bush. We can go round and round or just admit everyone is guilty of doing the same thing and let it go.

Indeed both sides are guilty of doing the same thing.

So we’re good Paul?

I know I can be an annoying little gnat sometimes! It’s part of my charm, no?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
So we’re good Paul?

I know I can be an annoying little gnat sometimes! It’s part of my charm, no?

It’s all good. I expressed myself poorly. Wasn’t your fault. Once the coffee kicks in I tend to act as if I will be financially rewarded for typing faster and faster.

Tough, fair, compelling interview by both Bush and Lauer. I loved his quote about how he didn’t care when he was at 90% popularity or at 30%. Either way it’s a point of time, and you have to do what’s right for the country. So true.

Really exceptional job by Lauer and the editing folks. I was always grateful to Pres. Bush since post 9-11, it was thought to be ‘inevitable’ to have more terrorist attacks. Thankfully, nothing’s inevitable.

Harry Flashman said:
All that being said, there truly is no comparison bewteen the two [Bush and Obama.] History and their records – or the lack thereof – speaks for itself.

Actually, there is one excellent comparison – spending. Bush inherited a national debt of 5.7 trillion dollars, the debt was about 10.4 trillion when Obama took office. Since then, in just 2 years, an additional (mind numbing)3 trillion plus has been added. Back to back, they are easily the two most free spending Presidents in U.S. history.

And the idea that Bush only spent on war is wrong. Bush tripled foreign aid to Africa. Bush, co-sponsored No Child Left Behind with Kennedy. Bush signed the American Dream Downpayment Initiative, giving hundreds of millions of dollars to the poor so they could “purchase” homes with no down payment. Bush spent record amounts of money to help inner city schools. Bush had his $15 billion global HIV/AIDS initiative. Bush sponsored the massive prescription-drug benefit under Medicare.

Obama has only taken things to a much higher (worse) level. The man needs to stop claiming that Bush policies created the mess that we are in. If they did, then his policies are only making things much, much worse. Federal spending for 2009 turned out $900 billion higher than was expected, and this year looks even worse.

Obama’s answer is to raise the top marginal tax rate to 39.6%. On one hand, the skyrocketing deficit might be a little lower, which would provide some economic benefit. On the other hand, the higher marginal tax rate will discourage work, increase taxes on small businesses and thus produce some economic harm. On net, the harm/benefit to raising the top rate would possibly be a wash. Spending needs to be cut – big time – NOW.

NOTE: GlennBeckReview will stop by later in this thread to claim that spending is not the big problem, pointing to the website zfacts. zfacts is so full of erroneous data and outright lies it is mind numbing.

Bush’s response to his popularity rating being “I don’t care” … I think that’s one attitude Obama should adopt.

Advisor: “Including a public option will kill your ratings in the red states.”
Obama: “I don’t care.”

For those of you lefties with your panties in a wad over being told those on the right think you think Bush is an idiot…..we only have the last 10 years to go …..I guess we could be mistaken….perhaps one of you lefties who love Bush so much could point to a few lefties who have come out publically refuting the mantra of the last ten years and even before when Gore thought him his intellectual lackey.

I would love to see the evidence for any leftie of note taking on the left and calling Bush anything like we hear DAILY with regard to the Telepromter in Chief……great mind….smartest guy in politics…..blah blah blah.

Face it…the left has screamed at the top of their lungs for over 10 years that Bush couldn’t pour pee from a shoe even if provided with detailed diagrams and instructions in 100 different languages.

Now that he has come out and shown to be not only on top of issues but seemingly able to express salient points sans notes or telepromter, UNLIKE the erudite messiah of the left currently unable to even address foreign politicos without somebody else writing the words or his stuttering and stammering attempts to go off script in the few pressers he has allowed has to really sting like a big bitch.

ESPECIALLY after 10 years of crap and two years of your answer to our boob.

VERY telling. Very telling indeed.

VoiceofReason said:
For those of you lefties with your panties in a wad over being told those on the right think you think Bush is an idiot…..we only have the last 10 years to go …..I guess we could be mistaken….perhaps one of you lefties who love Bush so much could point to a few lefties who have come out publically refuting the mantra of the last ten years and even before when Gore thought him his intellectual lackey.

I would love to see the evidence for any leftie of note taking on the left and calling Bush anything like we hear DAILY with regard to the Telepromter in Chief……great mind….smartest guy in politics…..blah blah blah.

Face it…the left has screamed at the top of their lungs for over 10 years that Bush couldn’t pour pee from a shoe even if provided with detailed diagrams and instructions in 100 different languages.

Now that he has come out and shown to be not only on top of issues but seemingly able to express salient points sans notes or telepromter, UNLIKE the erudite messiah of the left currently unable to even address foreign politicos without somebody else writing the words or his stuttering and stammering attempts to go off script in the few pressers he has allowed has to really sting like a big bitch.

ESPECIALLY after 10 years of crap and two years of your answer to our boob.

VERY telling. Very telling indeed.

Is your name supposed to be ironic?

Someone, Anyone…PLEASE!!! Explain the justice in invading Iraq? Where is the justice for all those dead civilians, not to mention our troops although they did volunteer (albeit under circumstances that turned out to be false). But the Right marches on and elevates this moron who couldnt run a bananna republic because they got a tax break. Don’t worry about healthcare, womens rights, human rights etc. Just keep those tax cuts a comin! Where is the justice in Blackwater, in Haliburton?? Where is the justice for those whose carreers were thrown in the dumpster by the Rumsfelds and Cheneys? Oh and hey – good job Brownie! Keep up the good work!

What a joke.

The King refers to people as ‘Crackers’ to prove that the left doesn’t do things such as stereotyping. The gift that keeps on giving.

writer said:
The King refers to people as ‘Crackers’ to prove that the left doesn’t do things such as stereotyping. The gift that keeps on giving.

So you’re saying it’s not a reference to Saltines or Toll House?

Damn. I didn’t consider that.

writer said:
Damn. I didn’t consider that.

This whole time he was referring to his favorite snack foods!

paulmdoro said:
Is your name supposed to be ironic?

Actually it was a moniker hing on me by somebody on the net a long time ago.

As to the rest, is your inability to provide evidence laziness, abject stupidity or just your knee jerk need to shit on what you cannot defeat in the arena of ideas

VoiceofReason said:
Actually it was a moniker hing on me by somebody on the net a long time ago.

As to the rest, is your inability to provide evidence laziness, abject stupidity or just your knee jerk need to shit on what you cannot defeat in the arena of ideas

LOL. Yeah it really sounds like you respond well to evidence and ideas. Your earlier post clearly demonstrates that one does not need to waste their time trying to “reason” with you. Voice of Reason? Right.

Nobodys_Stooge said:
Someone, Anyone…PLEASE!!! Explain the justice in invading Iraq? Where is the justice for all those dead civilians, not to mention our troops although they did volunteer (albeit under circumstances that turned out to be false).

I duno why don’t you ask Bill Clinton. He signed the regime change order in 1998.

Halloween IIRC.

paulmdoro said:
LOL. Yeah it really sounds like you respond well to evidence and ideas. Your earlier post clearly demonstrates that one does not need to waste their time trying to “reason” with you. Voice of Reason? Right.

So again…..No I don’t have antything in the way of evidence to refute what you say so I will opt for child like pissing on about my screen name.

Thanks for showing your level of intellect and commitment to honest debate.

George W. Bush Can’t Beat Chuck
http://tinyurl.com/27humjk

Are you really talking about honest debate? After ranting and raving and making overly broad generalizations about “the left”? Are you really seeking honest debate and intellectual discussions? Your initial post suggested otherwise.

paulmdoro said:
Are you really talking about honest debate? After ranting and raving and making overly broad generalizations about “the left”? Are you really seeking honest debate and intellectual discussions? Your initial post suggested otherwise.

Still having a tough time Googling up some instances of lefties talking about Bush in anything but an unflattering light eh?

You don’t have to make these whiny little jabs while your search engine runs

Just keep looking…..you’ll be there a while..

You want me to find evidence of someone on “the left” saying something nice about Bush? Your contention is that this never happened?

I guess reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit either huh?

It took all of 2 seconds. “Democrats praise Bush for AIDS policies in Africa.” I guess reason isn’t one of your strong suits either huh?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:I just always get the feeling with Obama that he’s worried if he’s not using a teleprompter, he might tell you what he really thinks. And to be fair, I’ve heard alot of libs, including Chris Matthews say the same thing about his teleprompter use.

As it’s already been stated that Bush was in no way a good speaker. I for one use to cringe when he was on tv. It was very difficult to watch. His message may have been good but his delivery was poor. Obama is a great speechmaker. And horrid when it is not a speech. And I find it equally hard to hang on his words as I did with Bush. I don’t think as you say Obama is afraid of telling people what he really thinks, as I think that is exactly what he wants to do, but he may be afraid of speaking those words like a doofus. Two different things.

Andy Lamb said:
Actually, there is one excellent comparison – spending. Bush inherited a national debt of 5.7 trillion dollars, the debt was about 10.4 trillion when Obama took office. Since then, in just 2 years, an additional (mind numbing)3 trillion plus has been added. Back to back, they are easily the two most free spending Presidents in U.S. history.

AMEN to that !!!… Everything comes down to the money… Monetizing the debt is the worst thing they could possibly do, so what do they do ?… They monetize the debt, of course… In the history of mankind this has never, not one single time worked… And I agree with you, Bush and Obama have both contributed greatly to this…

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
I was trying to envision Obama first off climbing onto a dirt pile and then saying something as empassioned as Bush without his trusty teleprompter, but I just couldn’t see it.

I know what you mean. I envision you making an intelligent comment but I just can’t see it too.

I like how, President Bush isn’t responsible for 9/11, even though it happened while he was in office…

but Obama is responsible for the economy faltering BEFORE he took office. XD

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Paul, I wasn’t implying that you said Bush was an idiot, but you have to admit that is the collective thinking of most on your side. I’m not trying to be partisan, I just always get the feeling with Obama that he’s worried if he’s not using a teleprompter, he might tell you what he really thinks. And to be fair, I’ve heard alot of libs, including Chris Matthews say the same thing about his teleprompter use.

i have watched Obama speak several times …only once did he use a teleprompter. this has been a story that Rush ShitBaugh and Pawn Hannity have invented and perpetuated until the Kool Aid drinkers actually believe it

paulmdoro said:
I would love to see the evidence for any leftie of note taking on the left and calling Bush anything like we hear DAILY with regard to the Telepromter in Chief……great mind….smartest guy in politics…..blah blah blah.

I guess you really are that thick……….

Try again……….

I said…………..I would love to see the evidence for any leftie of note taking on the left and calling Bush anything like we hear DAILY with regard to the Telepromter in Chief……great mind….smartest guy in politics…..blah blah blah.

HENCE folks on the right feeling lefties only thought of Bush as a boob.

BTW, I wonder if you could find something that he did that didn’t involve his latent progressivism…..that you folks agreed with.

I know he got mad kudos for kissing your asses……..

D REX said:
i have watched Obama speak several times …only once did he use a teleprompter. this has been a story that Rush ShitBaugh and Pawn Hannity have invented and perpetuated until the Kool Aid drinkers actually believe it

Well then for 2 whole speeches he didn’t have Sad Sack Axelrood speaking for him.

I guess you missed that whole “first time in the history of India’s parliment” thing huh?

Jon Martin said:
I like how, President Bush isn’t responsible for 9/11, even though it happened while he was in office… but Obama is responsible for the economy faltering BEFORE he took office. XD

You mean the stuff he either advocated for….too busy campaigning to vote……or actually outright supported with his votes?

Like TARP?

PS……….I don’t hold BHO nearly as responsible for these monumental foul ups as I do guys like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

Fannie and Freddie are at the heart of this……along with a butt ton of crooked Dems and their cronies.

Why do you think nothing has really changed?

Because they haven’t done shit about Fannie and Freddie.

Jon Martin said:
I like how, President Bush isn’t responsible for 9/11, even though it happened while he was in office…

Yes, he was in office all of 8 months when it happened. Al Qaeda’s first shot at the World Trade Center was 8 YEARS earlier. He is rightly not responsible for 9/11 (other than the assholes who say he planted the bombs there, practice for Katrina I guess.)

Jon Martin said:
…..but Obama is responsible for the economy faltering BEFORE he took office.

He’s not. He’s just responsible for pouring shitloads of gasoline on the fire.

Is that what BushDrunk gave us with 9/11???

Regardless if it WAS worse, it’s getting better, even if Repubilcans have made it their job to deny that fact.

Jobs are increasing and the economy is slowly recovering (although it’s very fragile)

Maybe you are just impatient.

No, I KNOW you’re impatient. You want results now or **** Obama. That kind of attitude gets people nowhere. There isn’t much more Obama can do, maybe you should realize that.

You can’t magically make people hire workers, it’s their business decision… and you cant force employers to take workers, that’s socialism.

So if you want capitalism, you have to wait. It’s not instantaneous.

Republicans are under the assumption lowering some taxes and waiving a magic wand will bring our economy back. It takes time. Even if you all would rather complain than be patient.

I rarely stop by this website because I can’t handle the stupidity of the rightwingers who hang out here. Whether Bush is an idiot or not, he, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the whole crew of neo-cons should be in jail if only for the totally unnecessary attack on Iraq. What was it the other day, 51 Christians gunned down in their Baghdad church. Doesn’t it bother any of you amoral creeps that Bush single handedly destroyed a country? My God, what a bunch of idiots!