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Rep. Barney Frank: Opposition To Tax Hikes In Debt Deal Based On ‘Pure Ignorance’

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Rep. Barney Frank was one of the few in the House of Representatives to vote against the debt deal slated to become law tomorrow, and as a liberal found it difficult to believe, he explained today, how conservatives had finagled a bill with no tax hikes in it. On The Last Word today, he told host Lawrence O’Donnell that negotiating the bill felt like saving the baby in the King Solomon fable, and that many Republicans’ “craziness” could be explained by “pure ignorance” and misunderstanding of government.

The King Solomon analogy Rep. Frank borrowed from Vice President Joe Biden, who called the government the baby and Republicans the mother that wanted to saw it in half. “We are the parent of the notion that we can come together as a civilized people and do things,” Rep. Frank asserted, “put out fires and build highways and educate children and succor the very poor.” He continued, describing Republicans as wanting “to cut the baby in half,” and noting that they “had a little bit of an advantage,” despite only controlling the House of Representatives.

O’Donnell asked why it could be that they held so much power relative to their size, suggesting that the only explanation “is that Democrats believe Republicans are as crazy as they say they are.” In a word, responded Rep. Frank, “yes.” He then broke down the crazy into two categories: “pure ignorance,” adding that caveat that he voted against the bill in question because “it went too far;” and “others, they don’t understand that the private sector can only do so many things– tax cuts don’t put out fires.” He went on to list several things the government should control, concluding with “you don’t want children running around homeless,” and noting that Republicans “don’t believe in that.”

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  • ImNotBlue

    Barney Frank… a man responsible for much, but who has never taken responsibility for anything… ever.

    No surprise he’s once again pointing the finger elsewhere.

  • Coolstruttin

    The Tea party will reap the evil they have sowed with this blackmail of America,

  • jayamerican1

    Barney Frank and Lawrence O’donnel..absolutely riveting TV. Two of the greatest intellects of our time sharing their enlightened vision.  I was so moved.

  • jayamerican1

    Barney Frank and Lawrence O’donnel..absolutely riveting TV. Two of the greatest intellects of our time sharing their enlightened vision.  I was so moved.

  • realheadline

    You are going to jail when this is over Barney……. Fannie and Freddie will have new meaning in prison.

  • jayamerican1

    Thinking about Barney’s finger somehow makes me a little queasy.

  • Anonymous

    There’s no politician that bears as much responsibility as Bawney Fwank for the collapse of the housing market. Fix your tie you fat slob.

  • ImNotBlue

    Ugh.  I was trying to avoid that… but I knew someone would think of it that way.

    Gross.

  • ImNotBlue

    So the Democrats who sign on (including the President), bear no responsibility?

    Another student of Frank.

  • Anonymous

    The problem with Frank (and others like him) is he seems to think all problems need to be addressed at the federal level.  Fire fighting is a local issue, school education is a state responsibility, water quality standards may be set nationally but the actual solution is local.  The Federal government has its hands in too many areas and that is what needs to stop.  If this disrupts some people’s lives so be it.  The Federal government was never supposed to be the end-all-be-all for all of life’s problems.

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    Did he say “sucker the poor” at 0:25 seconds in? Well hell, about time the Democrats say the truth. Most their programs are sucker entitlements with more graft, loopholes and corruption than any help. That’s where ya save money..fix the damn programs.. you don’t need more revenue, you need to do work on what you have!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GVWU6V6ORHYQ57UOHAEI52XTVU Dennis

    The only true conclusion one can come to after watching this interview is that years of pole smoking will cause about half of your sentences to be impossible to clearly understand. Bawney Fwank said what?

  • Michelle

    And yet the only person I can think of who has ever called him out on it, is BillO.  Another epic fail of the corrupt, liberal media. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WH3ZLMM7CUKUHUIMK4TKXW6SQE John

    There might not be a Congressman more responsible for our economic crisis than Barney Frank.  How he even dares now to speak on economics is beyond me.

  • Resident of 0bomberVille

    Exactly HOW MUCH dick does one have to suck to have to be afflicted with Bahney Fwank speech?

    He sounds like (and probably is) a child molester.

    Someone should warn:

    -BeeHO

    -Joe Bite Me

    -Alf Ranken

    -Timo-thieve Geithner

    -Hairy Reid

    -Chunk Schumer

    -Dick (of course) Durbin

    Well, heck, this list should include almost EVERY male, DC Democrat.

    What a bunch of bed-wetters.

  • Anonymous

    If I thought for a minute that Barney Frank did anything primarily for the benefit of his constituency, I might give his words some consideration. Barney Frank’s sole consideration is getting Barney Frank re-elected. He will say and do anything to get votes from the parasites who keep him in office. His “bleed the rich” narrative is aimed at those voters.
    I often wonder why the exceptionally rich and powerful people around the world who lost billions because of Frank’s influence in American politics haven’t come after him to lean on him or insure that he is removed.

  • Anonymous

    That was completely unnecessary, inappropriate and not at all constructive. Worse still, it detracts from the argument.

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    Well, when speaking about Bawney Fwank, I usually just let HIS words say it all.

    “The economy is fundamentawy sound, also, Fannie and Freddie offer no substantive systemic risk to the economy”. Paraphrased.

    Funny, Bawney Fwank and Chris Dodd the two characters neck deep in this economic debacle, were the ones that wrote the 2700 page financial takeover bill.

    How is THAT for ironic?

    See, this is what I hate about a strong federal government, we have to deal with the CRAP that representatives from leftist enclaves like Taxachusetts foist upon us.

    Don’t worry Bawney, you still get that $1.6 Trillion of federal DEFICIT spending as far as the eye can see. At least until Obama gets booted from office. How much of that are you going to funnel to his re election campaign?

  • Anonymous

    It is incredible and very frustrating that this isn’t more widely known. Why on earth hasn’t he had to answer for all the millions of lives he has damaged.

  • Darladoon

    of course, none of the conservatives here address the actual, you know, subject matter

  • Darladoon

    but on the SUBJECT MATTER of tax cuts:  your position, please

  • Darladoon

    we don’t need more revenue?!

  • Darladoon

    most moronic thing said all day, easy

  • Anonymous

    So, those folks working to restore America’s prosperity and fiscal security which will lead to jobs are evil blackmailers. Yeah, that makes perfect sense to someone who has been manipulated and used by those who have been doing the exact opposite.

  • Darladoon

    of course by “bleed the rich” you mean “raise their tax burden a few percentage points”

    and obviously, you’d rather cut programs for the poor than “bleed” the rich

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    we need cuts.. lots of them.. have we not spent enough!

    Sorry if you work for the Government comrade.

    Those private type company pigs laidoff and hire no one.

    The peasants now blame us for this..those pigs..

    Those Templars will no longer lend to us.. after we saved them!

    The peasants are coming with torches and we must flee this falling empire.

    We have nothing but peasants left.. the jig is up.. our coffers are empty

    Industry is grinding to a halt..religious control is changing..

    and we can no longer get blood from these turnips…

    let’s look towards south america before other nations do…

    Our perversions can prosper there..

    we can rise again.. come no more revenues here!

    Free at last free at last..thank gawd we can be free at last.

    This has been your Democratic broadcast from the near future….

  • LibelFreeZone

    Can someone tell me, please, if Bawney Fwank has any teeth?

  • LibelFreeZone

    In the meantime, check this out.  It’s shocking.

    Entitlement Bandits
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/271006/entitlement-bandits-michael-f-cannon?page=1

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GWUMDXSUYVXFOVKEDR7OG3SD7A John Doe

    This nut-job should be serving a jail sentence for the major role he played in starting the financial crisis, but instead he still gets airtime without being called out on it.

  • JoeJ

    I get awful, AWFUL Visions in my mind everytime I see this
    “person” Barney Frank!
    YUK!!!!!

  • JoeJ

    Add Lawrence O’Donnell to that.

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  • Anonymous

    Sufferin’ succotash !

    “But what of Barney Frank, who’s been the U.S. Representative for Massachusetts’s 4th congressional district since 1981? Mr. Frank, a Democrat, was the former chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.
    In 2003, Frank said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac “…are not facing any kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in

    terms of affordable housing.”
    He also said at the time that “I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness (in the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) that we have in the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidised housing.”

    http://www.vvdailypress.com/opinion/ponzi-29182-barney-began.html

     

  • Anonymous

    Sufferin’ succotash !

    “But what of Barney Frank, who’s been the U.S. Representative for Massachusetts’s 4th congressional district since 1981? Mr. Frank, a Democrat, was the former chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.
    In 2003, Frank said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac “…are not facing any kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in

    terms of affordable housing.”
    He also said at the time that “I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness (in the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) that we have in the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidised housing.”

    http://www.vvdailypress.com/opinion/ponzi-29182-barney-began.html

     

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Deal with it, Michelle-in-Utah. He’s not going anywhere.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I suspect it will.

    I spent a good little amount of time last night going through the bill. It’s nothing. Less than a pittance of debt reduction. I was astounded at how little the bill accomplishes. A clean debt ceiling increase would not have been appreciably less.

    This may well have been the Tea Party at its zenith. A dull image through heavy haze.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    The French and the Israelis heap considerable criticism on the US because we do not rigidly adhere to the “no negotiations with terrorists” principle. Some of that criticism is justified, particularly during the Clinton and W administrations. But, sometimes it is sensible to negotiate with terrorists. Sometimes innocent lives are spared without any meaningful capitulation. The Democrats were right to act as good stewards of our full faith and credit, and, after reading the bill, I don’t think much of significance was given up. In the end, Democrats and traditional Republicans joined to do what was best for our nation, and the Tea Party terrorists walked away with very little indeed.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I’m sure many people don’t feel all that comfortable leaving our fiscal health to economic illiterates and dead beat dads. Our two parties chose reasonably well.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Representative Franks is not going anywhere.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Utter filth.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUT75XKRMJZ2QZJUUWOYH7Y7TA Cincy

    Thing is…being locked up with a bunch of men is Barney’s dream come true. His fat ass should be sent to a women’s facility if you want to punish him.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUT75XKRMJZ2QZJUUWOYH7Y7TA Cincy

    Barney Frank bears a tremendous amount of the responsibility for the economic meltdown. Why his fat ass is still waddling around our streets a free pig is beyond me.

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone else noticed when Barney Talks, he seems to be growing “Eye Teeth?”

    He sure slurs his words more..

    This is not a dig against him, but rather an observation.

  • Anonymous

    There is no better joy than seeing an angry and livid Barnyard Fwank. It’s proof that he isn’t getting what he wants, and I absolutely LOVE seeing him denied and marginalized.

    Barnyard Fwank is only a politician because of Liberal Gerrymandering in Massachusetts. He cherry-picked districts that comprise voters who feast on handouts—’porch-sitters’–and he breast-feeds off of them like they do with him. The ‘titlement brigade.

  • RDD

    99er: ‘We Are Living in a 3rd World America’
    Congress did not include any extension in this debt deal for
    unemployment benefits, meaning the 99 week program will expire at the
    end of this year. And anyone who loses their job after July 1 of this
    year will only get 20 to 26 weeks of unemployment. Rhonda Taylor,
    Advocate for the 99ers National discusses.
    http://youtu.be/Xk56WBQMwJo

  • dave

    Sounds like your active imagination might have some unconscious DESIRES tied to it.

  • dave

    Reading that inspired me to reread Friedrich Hayek’s “Why I Am Not A Conservative”.

    PS. I love how Glen Beck plugs Hayek’s Road To Serfdom (great book btw) and in it he bashes faux conservatives just like Beck. Its surreal actually.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge

    He’as a Democrat and thus gets protection from the Democrat media. 

  • Anonymous

    how’s the job hunting going darla?

    Are you not sick of your mantra yet – cause most of us are.  You keep reiterating the silly nonsense and think it’s a brilliant thought. lol

    Nobody was talking about “cutting programs” – they were talking about not EXPANDING said programs, but keeping them at the level they were before the Democrats decided to give them all a huge raise.

    I would bet that even those lazy program directors might just look at waste and fraud within their programs and wonder of wonders, the damn things continue just a wee bit more efficiently.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: I just glad that the Leftist Progressives cult didn’t get their way in max tax against the evil companies that give real Americans jobs. Thank God that their plan on putting America as a whole on welfare. Barney Frank is one of the main progressives cult members who by himself and a few others got the whole collapse of economy moving in the way progressives want it down and then down some more.

  • Anonymous

    A simple analogy that even you can follow darla.   You spent all your allowance on candy and you’re now demanding your parents give you a bigger allowance.  They are saying not only did you waste all your money but they now have to pay for the dentist because your teeth are full of cavities.  

    You keep throwing a temper tantrum that you don’t care what your parents think – you need more money.  They are saying, we are trying to save you from yourself and you just don’t have enough grey matter to grasp that.  

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Morons have trust in these people; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2165888/posts that caused the downfall.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Tell Demarodents to get jobs and you will get more revinue!

  • Anonymous

    revenue

  • Anonymous

    what blackmail are you referring to?

  • Anonymous

    This, from the guy who is most responsible for the housing meltdown because of his relationship with Fannie Mae. Yes, the same Barney Frank who received money from Fannie Mae and whose mother’s foundation received grants from Fannie Mae; the same Barney Frank assured us concerns about Fannie Mae were unfounded and overblown!

  • Anonymous

    says a lib pederast!

  • Anonymous

    Barney needs to look in the mirror before labeling people ignorant.
    Barney and Chris Dodd should be in prison for what they have done to collapse the housing market!!

  • richs

    Ah yes, once again the royal racest rides to the defense of corrupt politicians, as long as they belong to the “right” party.

  • ImNotBlue

    Wow!  I had no idea that was a valid excuse for corrupt politicians!  I can’t wait to try that one on you.

    “Deal with it, Royal.  He/She’s not going anywhere.”

  • ImNotBlue

    I believe this comment speaks to his credibility, and how many of us “value” his opinions.

  • ImNotBlue

    Remember when Rosie O’Donnell said that “terrorist are husbands and wives too!”  And the left rushed to her defense.

    Funny how times change.  “Terrorists” who kill people, attack innocents, and cause massive global panic need to be defended… but a political action group which happens to disagree with the left-wing line, they’re “really” dangerous!

    Thanks Royal.  Everyday you prove yourself to be the loon we all believe you to be.

  • ImNotBlue

    Excellent point… because one person defines millions of others.  Excellent logic.

    I wonder, which person defines all the left?  So many to choose from………

  • richs

    Darladoon, why are you so anti-choice?

  • Anonymous

    I almost never agree with Barney Frank, but anyone who can say with a straight face that the budget deficit can be  fixed without an increase in tax revenues is either ignorant or too stupid to pour piss out of a boot.  In FY 2011, ending 30 September, 2011, a bit more than 43 cents of every dollar spent has come from borrowing.  I don’t know of anyone who is proposing to cut 43% of spending in 2012, even the most fiscally conservative of Tea Party activists.  Some may speak generally of reducing spending to zero out the borrowing, but none will give any specifics -  a favorite cop-out is to cut “waste, fraud and abuse, and who can disagree with that?  Anybody want to cut farm subsidies?  Zero out the TSA?  Nuke the Education Department?  Hell, the Congress won’t even get rid of NPR or NEA! 

  • HawkCW4

    As is the way of Washington.  However,  what he is doesnt change, he is just given free pass by the Left.  And I had a bet with myself,  that you would be one of the first to defend the fool.  I won.   One more thing,  if you get a chance let Barney know,  people are not as stupid as he would like to believe,  we know what happened and all the BS spin wont change that.

  • HawkCW4

    Wow, you just dont get it RRE.   THE ONLY reason we are cutting spending at all is because of the Tea Party.   Without their dedication to the people who elected them,  Both Sides of the Congress had to face cuts.   Left to Liberals we would increase the debt limit AND spending forever.   Yea I know, your idea is keep on spending, all we have to do is raise taxes.   All that in the face of a country loosing jobs daily.  No Jobs =  no tax payers.  No Tax payers = no revenue AND loss of our revenue to pay their unemployment and welfare.  Set aside your arrogance and foolishness and hope the Tea Party can continue to force cuts while we are still a sovereign nation.  What they want is tuff,   very tuff,  what we would end up with out them would be a once great nation, home to our new masters,  the chinese.

     

  • HawkCW4

    So you embrace the blank check idea of letting Liberals keep on spending us into oblivion.  Who the hell are  you and what school did you flunk out of.  All that time reading that bill,  what a waste.  What you fail to understand is,  allowing a fool like Obama to believe he had full access to unlimited debt and spending is what got us to this point.  Well finally someone shut him down.  You can and should thank the Tea Party,  who ever they are.

  • HawkCW4

    I think its because they cant negotiate the deal.   Barney insists he and Dodd SHARE a cell,  Dodd is saying no way jose.  I dont blame Dodd for that,  but they both need to be locked up and now.

  • HawkCW4

    Wana bet?

  • HawkCW4

    Absolutely not.  Everyone with a  lick of sense knows its not a revenue problem, its a spending problem.  Control the spending,  get off the backs of the people who hire workers and guess what.   every guy/gal you hire gets off welfare/unemployment (both serious drains on revenue) and they also begin to pay taxes.  How great is that?   You want to plug some tax loop holes great,  make it apply to everyone,  including GE.  do that and you could lower the rates for everyone.   AND by the way,  stop taking my taxes I pay and giving it to those who dont pay,  calling it a tax credit.  While your at it.  explain to me why that is not socialism.   You took mine and gave it to them.  I worked for mine beginning with going to school to prepare for life.  Did they? 

  • HawkCW4

    You might be right on this one Darla,  I think Dodd was just as responsible dont you.  Please John,  lets be complete in our statements.  There can not be unequal responsibility between those two.  They own this chaos and once they blew it, Obama fanned the flames.

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    He don’t care if all people are stupid, as long as those re-electing him are.

  • HawkCW4

    I dont know if anyone would say we dont need more revenue.  What realistic people believe is that more revenue does not mean RAISE TAXES.  The left does not give a rats about increased revenue,  they only wish to punish the RICH.  The most disingenuous bleating you will ever hear.   The only way you can raise revenue is to raise the numbers of people working and contributing to the revenue side rather than drawing unemployment and contributing to the debt side of this mess. You raise taxes on the RICH as you call them and you will see more jobs lost.  Get government off the backs of the people who hire and in effect finance this country.  If you dont soon,  revenues will continue to fall, and raising taxes on the Rich will cause it to fall faster.  Then you must raise taxes on the middle class and revenue will fall even more, and then you will be forced to tax those not paying now and everyone looses.  The out of control spending is sorta under some control now,  SORTA,  Now get off the backs of those who will put America back to work and the problem of income will be solved.   BUT do it now.  OH and I do find it unsettling that Obama’s man from GE found a way to pay nothing.   That folks is wrong and not a conservative notion, it is a fact of law allowing such to happen.  Close the holes.

  • dave

    I’m neither a “lib” nor a member of the clergy

  • Anonymous

    Your ignorance on the subject of the Tea Party is unbelievable. The reason this bill is so lame is because of the work of the left to insure that no appreciable cuts were going to be made law.

    Not so much a dull image through heavy haze if you stop smoking the chronic.

  • Anonymous

    You really drank all the kool aid didn’t you? I have one word tor you and I hope you pay attention –
    REHAB.

  • Anonymous

    Barney Frank = ignorance on the hoof.

  • Anonymous

    Rep. Frank asserted, “put out fires and build highways and educate children and succor the very poor.”  and destroy the housing market.

    “He went on to list several things the government should control, concluding with “you don’t want children running around homeless,” and noting that Republicans “don’t believe in that.””  We all know how THAT turned out, too! Don’t we Barney?

    What an idiot!

  • Anonymous

    High marginal rates on the highest earners does more than raise revenue – if it raises revenue at all.  It changes behavior.  From the late 1940′s through 1963, the highest marginal rate, on that portion of incomes over  $400,000 ($2,800,000 to $4,000,000 in 2009 dollars), the marginal rate was on the order of 91%.  That is not a typo, ninety-one percent!  If a person is being taxed at that rate on every extra dollar s/he makes, that person acts differently.  If you donate to charity and “write it off”, 9 cents comes out of your pocket and 91 cents comes off your taxes.  Ditto a business lunch.  And a high dollar vehicle.  And new plant and equipment. And that extra hire.  You don’t need to outsource your manufacturing to save money, because extra profits would just get taxed away.  The low marginal rates on executives made it worthwhile for them to screw the workers, because they can just pocket the profit that comes from it.  The wealthiest 1% of the US population own 34% of the net wealth in the USA, and the wealthiest 20% own 85% of the net wealth.  This is not a situation conducive to societal stability.  This is a situation that leads to revolution, because the wealthy can buy political favor from the elected officials.  Jeffrey Immelt of GE is in favor with President Obama.  He can outsource GE’s xray business to China and nothing is said.  Boeing outsources from Seattle to South Carolina and gets sued.

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