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Shep Smith Is Insulted By Bill Keller’s Take On Fox News’ ‘Fair And Balanced’ Slogan

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Fox News anchor Shepard Smith says it’s insulting for outgoing New York Times executive editor Bill Keller to call Fox’s “Fair and Balanced” slogan “cynical,” as he did back in March. In an interview at the New York Press Club, Smith was asked about those comments. “I don’t enjoy being insulted by people who talk in generalities,” Smith said to journalist Rich Lamb. “My guess is that the people on his opinion page don’t get that kind of broad and sweeping review.”

Smith compared the range of talent at Fox News, from hardworking journalists to brash opinion hosts, to the same collection of talent at the Times:

“My guess is that the people on his opinion page don’t get that kind of broad and sweeping review. He has some very outspoken people on that page, and they are respected. And we have some outspoken opinion people, and he chooses to paint all of us with the same brush. We have journalists just like he does. And I’ve worked very hard my whole life to try to remain exactly that. I did it when I worked for CBS and I did it when I worked for ABC [stations he worked at in Florida prior to FNC] and I’m doing it now. And, if someday I’m doing it for somebody else, I’ll do it there. Journalists know what we do. We find out about things. We give them context and perspective and we report on them. That’s all I’ve ever wanted to do in 25 years in this business. That’s all I’m ever going to do. That’s all Roger Ailes wants me to do. And I hope that’s what Bill Keller wants out of his journalists, just like Roger Ailes wants out of his. It’s not nice.“

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  • possibly

    Mediate has become Foxnation with prettier pictures.

  • Rokker

    The truth always hurts. Fox is the propaganda arm of the GOP.

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Hey Bill, FOX IS #1!!! Deal with it!

  • writer

    If the left is so angry with that ‘fair and balanced’ slogan, they should change it to ‘all the others lean left, and we don’t. ‘

  • jerrybobphil

    Rokker said:
    The truth always hurts. Fox is the propaganda arm of the GOP.

    And the New York Times has been a propaganda wing for Democratic thats why Bill Keller looks like a fool and so do you. Liberals have no problem whining about the bias on Fox News and sticking their heads in the sand when it comes to NBC, MSNBC, ABC,CBS, CNN, NYT liberal bias. It makes you look awful and blind.

  • puck30

    Go Shep!

  • Liberal Tormentor

    FOX RULES and Bill Keller drools. Nuff said.

  • Just my Opinion

    Bill Keller was an Asshole Yesterday, he is an Asshole today and
    he will be an Asshole tomorrow!
    Who cares what he thinks about anything!!!

  • Azarkhan

    The truth always hurts. The New York Times is a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

  • Azarkhan

    President Obama’s solicitor general, defending the national health care law on Wednesday, told a federal appeals court that Americans who didn’t like the individual mandate could always avoid it by choosing to earn less money.

    Neal Kumar Katyal, the acting solicitor general, made the argument under questioning before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit in Cincinnati, which was considering an appeal by the Thomas More Law Center.

    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/obama-solicitor-general-if-you-dont-mandate-earn-less-money#ixzz1OERrWL4R

  • SuburbanPatriot

    When will the libs learn that Fox News has the highest ratings and this means that the people trust them because they are fair and balanced because they get the best ratings. If they were not accurate and fair and balanced no one would watch them because the people would reject it and because then they would not get good ratings. The free market has decided that Fox News is the best news available and I of course agree with them.

  • SuburbanPatriot

    Azarkhan said:
    President Obama’s solicitor general, defending the national health care law on Wednesday, told a federal appeals court that Americans who didn’t like the individual mandate could always avoid it by choosing to earn less money. Neal Kumar Katyal, the acting solicitor general, made the argument under questioning before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit in Cincinnati, which was considering an appeal by the Thomas More Law Center. Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/obama-solicitor-general-if-you-dont-mandate-earn-less-money#ixzz1OERrWL4R

    I am glad you are sharing this article thank you because it is an important article that all Americans should read because it talks about how O-bow-ma and his Obummercare will ruin the country because of the mandates.

  • tatboy

    How has the NYT’s done under his leadership?

  • Harry Flashman

    “Fair and Balanced” is a nicer way of saying, “We Suck Less”. Both work when compared to the other leftist versions of news outlets. One is just more civil than the other.

  • Dave Richards

    Rokker said:
    The truth always hurts. Fox is the propaganda arm of the GOP.

    Prove it.

  • Moderate

    Without Fox News, where would people go to get the truth about John Edwards, certainly not the New York Times, Edwards is a Democrat.

  • Dave Richards

    New York Times=Gray Lady Down

  • Nacho

    If you people actually watched the video clip, Smith admits the stations “opinion” shows are far right of center and admits that if they would put one of them in his “news” slot, they would get more ratings and make more money.

    Fox is “#1″ in ratings because they are in fact, not fair and balanced but pander to the right.

    Watch the clip. Of course covering his own ass, he doesn’t do it, but Smith tells you how the station is one that SELLS television.

    I’m only 25 minutes through the video and it would make you right wing extremists FoxNews groupies heads explode learning its just a business, not a fair and balanced news outlet.

  • tatboy

    Nacho said:
    If you people actually watched the video clip, Smith admits the stations “opinion” shows are far right of center and admits that if they would put one of them in his “news” slot, they would get more ratings and make more money. Fox is “#1″ in ratings because they are in fact, not fair and balanced but pander to the right. Watch the clip. Of course covering his own ass, he doesn’t do it, but Smith tells you how the station is one that SELLS television. I’m only 25 minutes through the video and it would make you right wing extremists FoxNews groupies heads explode learning its just a business, not a fair and balanced news outlet.

    So is the NYT’s fair or balanced? For Bill Keller of all people to say this is LAUGHABLE and beyond a joke. Fox has opinion shows and the NYT’s has an poinion page. What’s the diff???

  • writer

    And if you’re not watching it, Nacho, why do you care? There are plenty of left leaning news outlets that will always tell you just what you want to hear. Try one of them.

  • Just4thefax

    Fact: NY Times sells out secrets on American millitary any chance they get.

  • Nacho

    tatboy said:
    So is the NYT’s fair or balanced? For Bill Keller of all people to say this is LAUGHABLE and beyond a joke. Fox has opinion shows and the NYT’s has an poinion page. What’s the diff???

    So you’re not denying Keller’s claim.

  • Nacho

    writer said:
    And if you’re not watching it, Nacho, why do you care? There are plenty of left leaning news outlets that will always tell you just what you want to hear. Try one of them.

    So you’re not denying Keller’s claim

    I care about it because a handful of American people do believe the bullshit that FoxNews puts out and it is destructive to my country.

  • writer

    Aw, come on, Nacho. Fox is the only outlet that doesn’t lean left, and for you lefties, one is too many. You don’t want anyone expressing opinions different from your own.

  • lucky5

    SuburbanPatriot said:
    I am glad you are sharing this article thank you because it is an important article that all Americans should read because it talks about how O-bow-ma and his Obummercare will ruin the country because of the mandates.

    So you still living in WI?

  • SuburbanPatriot

    lucky5 said:
    So you still living in WI?

    I live in New Jersey, home of the next President of the United States Chris Christie because he is a fiscal conservative and the libs are making America broke thank you.

  • tatboy

    Nacho said:
    So you’re not denying Keller’s claim.

    I’m saying Keller’s comment is BS and Fox News is no more “cynical” than the NYT has been for 100 years. Why bitch about a news organization using the SAME model as your own paper?

  • tatboy

    Nacho said:
    So you’re not denying Keller’s claim I care about it because a handful of American people do believe the bullshit that FoxNews puts out and it is destructive to my country.

    So you are also worried about the destructive BS of the NYT or are your selectivly outraged?

  • writer

    Those far left opinions are dangerous.

  • AndyZNYer

    Bill Keller destroyed The New York TImes (well, he and Pinch Sulzberger together), Shep shouldn’t let the comment bother him.

  • Azarkhan
  • Pablo

    Nacho said:
    I’m only 25 minutes through the video and it would make you right wing extremists FoxNews groupies heads explode learning its just a business, not a fair and balanced news outlet.

    Are you saying that the NYT is not a business? You might be on to something there.

  • felixw

    There are many good things about the New York Times, but let’s be honest: its political coverage is hopelessly compromised by bias. Keller is in no position to make snide remarks about the fairness of any other media outlet. His paper is one of the worst culprits in the world. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve found stories about US politics covered by BRITISH NEWSPAPERS available on the web, but without a mention of them in the NY Times. How sad is that? If you live in NY, you need to read the London press to find huge stories about your own country. Thanks Bill Keller for cleansing your paper of news liberals don’t want to read!

    And here’s another irony in this situation — the more biased the media outlet, the more they hate Fox. In a media environment dominated by the far left, Fox News is the closest thing to centrist, down-the-middle coverage that you will find. So no wonder the partisan left journalists are so fearful of it.

    Here is the true state of play: It has suddenly become much more difficult for the liberals who run the media to bury stories, tilt coverage and censor news for political correctness. They continue to do so, but see their audience drift away — since there are now other options. Their dream is silence the other options, and this is constantly evident in how they deal with Fox. Never trying to rebut or debate, but pushing instead to silence, regulate, boycott and destroy.

    But the genie is out of the bottle. In the modern age, someone like Keller can no longer censor and control the news. And THAT, my friends, is why he is so angry. Case closed!

  • http://aruetiise.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/youre-fucking-retarded.jpg George C

    felixw said:
    There are many good things about the New York Times, but let’s be honest: its political coverage is hopelessly compromised by bias. Keller is in no position to make snide remarks about the fairness of any other media outlet. His paper is one of the worst culprits in the world. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve found stories about US politics covered by BRITISH NEWSPAPERS available on the web, but without a mention of them in the NY Times. How sad is that? If you live in NY, you need to read the London press to find huge stories about your own country. Thanks Bill Keller for cleansing your paper of news liberals don’t want to read!
    And here’s another irony in this situation — the more biased the media outlet, the more they hate Fox. In a media environment dominated by the far left, Fox News is the closest thing to centrist, down-the-middle coverage that you will find. So no wonder the partisan left journalists are so fearful of it.
    Here is the true state of play: It has suddenly become much more difficult for the liberals who run the media to bury stories, tilt coverage and censor news for political correctness. They continue to do so, but see their audience drift away — since there are now other options. Their dream is silence the other options, and this is constantly evident in how they deal with Fox. Never trying to rebut or debate, but pushing instead to silence, regulate, boycott and destroy.
    But the genie is out of the bottle. In the modern age, someone like Keller can no longer censor and control the news. And THAT, my friends, is why he is so angry. Case closed!

    Well said .

  • http://activitypit.ning.com/profile/massmurdermedia MASSMURDERMEDIA

    Rokker said:
    The truth always hurts. Fox is the propaganda arm of the GOP.

    really?… the times’ abu ghraib coverage was truthful, i gather… however, while running 50+ front page articles on it without advancing the story is technically truthful, at what point did they become nothing more than propaganda pieces against bush?… i’ll be generous and say the 40th time… meanwhile, since they are of the opinion the president is responsible for everything that happens on the ground in warfare (which he ultimately is), then where is the incessant afghanistan kill team coverage?… perhaps the nyt believes frat boy antics are far more egregious than flat out murder…

  • LeviCoultify

    It’s funny how none of you righties bothered to watch the clip at all. I watched the whole thing and Shep seems like a great journalist, if only the rest of FOX would have even half the caliber nobody would have a problem with FOX.

  • cjd ohio 1

    LeviCoultify said:
    It’s funny how none of you righties bothered to watch the clip at all. I watched the whole thing and Shep seems like a great journalist, if only the rest of FOX would have even half the caliber nobody would have a problem with FOX.

    lol, i know that fox opinion shows lean right, but its the liberals here that think msnbc has no political agenda that makes me laugh

  • laceyunderalls

    I’m insulted by Shep Smith’s everything.

    Oh except his ability to sing show tunes with his boyz. Where that’s concerned, he’s *just* faaaaaaaaaabulous!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Durffee/1311278663 Ed Durffee

    In their heart the MM knows well what Fox claims is absolute truth. It just galls them to see or hear it daily as it should. The fix is of course to join the Fox policy of reporting ALL the news and both sides which allows folks the oportunity to figure out which they like best. Never in the History of MSM has any outlet ever considered telling the truth in every story. Yes they will when it advances their agenda, which is rare, but never when the truth shines a light deep into the dark recesses of the wrongs of the Left. Smith was right to be incensed. But the idiot from NYT is nothing to get excited about.

  • valkyrie101

    Pablo said:
    Are you saying that the NYT is not a business? You might be on to something there.

    No, I think they try to run a business. Its the Washington Times that is funded with millions of dollars of Moonie money and has not made a profit in its 25+ year history.

  • valkyrie101

    Shep’s a good guy and I bet he does intend to be fair and balanced. But if he looked at all the Fox News shows objectively, there is no way he could say that is always true. Is it cynical? It only seems that way to liberals.

  • cjd ohio 1

    valkyrie101 said:
    Shep’s a good guy and I bet he does intend to be fair and balanced. But if he looked at all the Fox News shows objectively, there is no way he could say that is always true. Is it cynical? It only seems that way to liberals.

    but whats the problem the right has fox, the left msnbc?

  • LeviCoultify

    LeviCoultify said:
    It’s funny how none of you righties bothered to watch the clip at all. I watched the whole thing and Shep seems like a great journalist, if only the rest of FOX would have even half the caliber nobody would have a problem with FOX.

    wrong. nobody has aproblem with them being right, people have a problem with making up “facts”… watch the video, even Shep admits that they basically lie.

  • LeviCoultify

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    lol, i know that fox opinion shows lean right, but its the liberals here that think msnbc has no political agenda that makes me laugh

    meant to quote you…

  • timzank

    Nacho said:
    So you’re not denying Keller’s claim I care about it because a handful of American people do believe the bullshit that THE NEW YORK TIMES puts out and it is destructive to my country.

    FIFY

  • cjd ohio 1

    LeviCoultify said:
    wrong. nobody has aproblem with them being right, people have a problem with making up “facts”… watch the video, even Shep admits that they basically lie.

    msnbc twist facts the same as fox

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    LeviCoultify said:
    wrong. nobody has aproblem with them being right, people have a problem with making up “facts”… watch the video, even Shep admits that they basically lie.

    What specifically did he say that leads you to this conclusion?

  • LeviCoultify

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    msnbc twist facts the same as fox

    I’m sorry but that’s just not true… if it is, please enlighten me.

  • cjd ohio 1

    LeviCoultify said:
    I’m sorry but that’s just not true… if it is, please enlighten me.

    two words ed schultz

  • cjd ohio 1

    LeviCoultify said:
    I’m sorry but that’s just not true… if it is, please enlighten me.

    two more, larry odonnell

  • Dem4Ever

    Keller hates Shep because Shep is gay. Keller should be ashamed of himself.

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    LeviCoultify said:
    I’m sorry but that’s just not true… if it is, please enlighten me.

    What about Martin Bashir’s Palin-flag rant?

  • LeviCoultify

    ImNotBlue said:
    What specifically did he say that leads you to this conclusion?

    He’s asked a question by someone in the audience how he feels about the “opinion people” making up their own facts and he says that people “If i tune in to the evening news, I will get the news and if I tune in to opinion, it’s a soup.. it doesn’t really bother me what the opinion people portray as facts.” – I’m paraphrasing, watch it for yourself, he’s asked the question at like 32 mins I think.

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    two words ed schultz

    Can’t give me a real example can you, those are just the anchors…

  • LibertySister

    A couple years now with Obama, the liberal media still will not question why we are heading for another recession and maybe a depression?

    They rather attack one single news organization (FOX News) because they ask questions that might make the administration uncomfortable. They cant stand that there is people out there that want real answers for our world not what Michelle obama is growing in her garden or how Obama picked his college basketball picks.

    Fox News actually does real reporting and is not the typical news station that is a babbling tingle up there leg love affair with this administration.

  • LeviCoultify

    ImNotBlue said:
    What about Martin Bashir’s Palin-flag rant?

    What flag rant? What did he get wrong?

  • Fokker News

    Shep might be insulted because he does a reasonably fair program, however, a majority of the 300 million Americans are insulted that Fox News calls itself fair and balanced when clearly it is the mouthpiece for the Republican party along with Rush Limbaugh.

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    LeviCoultify said:
    He’s asked a question by someone in the audience how he feels about the “opinion people” making up their own facts and he says that people “If i tune in to the evening news, I will get the news and if I tune in to opinion, it’s a soup.. it doesn’t really bother me what the opinion people portray as facts.” – I’m paraphrasing, watch it for yourself, he’s asked the question at like 32 mins I think.

    And you took that as him saying that he believes the opinion people lie? Seriously?

    If that’s the case, than every opinion person from every station, newspaper, magazines, or elsewhere also “lies.”

    LeviCoultify said:
    What flag rant? What did he get wrong?

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-martin-bashir-sarah-palin-bus-tour-in-breach-of-federal-law/

    Versus this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvTRvtzVpUo

    It’s a bunch of nonsense he created simply to attack Palin with, ignoring basic logic, history, and hypocrisy. Do you agree?

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    Fokker News said:
    Shep might be insulted because he does a reasonably fair program, however, a majority of the 300 million Americans are insulted that Fox News calls itself fair and balanced when clearly it is the mouthpiece for the Republican party along with Rush Limbaugh.

    And your evidence for this would be…?

  • cjd ohio 1

    spending money on tax cuts

  • Calvin

    LeviCoultify said:
    Can’t give me a real example can you, those are just the anchors…

    Her’s one of the more prominent ones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx4HqkqNnJU

  • Calvin

    “Here’s”

  • valkyrie101

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    but whats the problem the right has fox, the left msnbc?

    Yep, FOX is cool. Without it, our national media would be too far weighted to the left.

  • cjd ohio 1

    the mandate is not a huge part of obamacare………….ed schultz

  • LeviCoultify

    lol someone at mediaite seems to dislike my comments because they keep getting deleted.. I’ll take that as a compliment whoever you are ;)… i’ll try again

    ImNotBlue said:
    And you took that as him saying that he believes the opinion people lie? Seriously?

    If that’s the case, than every opinion person from every station, newspaper, magazines, or elsewhere also “lies.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-martin-bashir-sarah-palin-bus-tour-in-breach-of-federal-law/

    Versus this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvTRvtzVpUo

    It’s a bunch of nonsense he created simply to attack Palin with, ignoring basic logic, history, and hypocrisy. Do you agree?

    You’re literally arguing that the words “I don’t care what the opinion people PORTRAY AS FACT” don’t mean “I’m aware that they MAKE UP FACTS”. That’s your argument.

    And PS mediaite…. I’ll make sure to use adblocker from now on on your site for making me rewrite all my arguments twice.

  • cjd ohio 1

    valkyrie101 said:
    Yep, FOX is cool. Without it, our national media would be too far weighted to the left.

    hey Val, thanks for the back and forth the other day, it was fun, points were made

  • LeviCoultify

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    the mandate is not a huge part of obamacare………….ed schultz

    Calvin said:
    Her’s one of the more prominent ones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx4HqkqNnJU

    fair enough… but it’s just kind of hard to compare all the MSNBC gaffe’s to literally even a single Beck or Hannity program isn’t it? I don’t hold loyalty to any TV channel but to facts, keep that in mind, something to consider.

  • Tedderman

    This is an easy fix for Fox, just change the slogan to: “Sometimes Fair and Balanced Depending on the Topic or the Guest But Definitely Not Liberal Ever.”

  • cjd ohio 1

    LeviCoultify said:
    fair enough… but it’s just kind of hard to compare all the MSNBC gaffe’s to literally even a single Beck or Hannity program isn’t it? I don’t hold loyalty to any TV channel but to facts, keep that in mind, something to consider.

    well i watch matthews just about everyday, the rest i cant take anymore, just saying both sides twist facts

  • cjd ohio 1

    LeviCoultify said:
    fair enough… but it’s just kind of hard to compare all the MSNBC gaffe’s to literally even a single Beck or Hannity program isn’t it? I don’t hold loyalty to any TV channel but to facts, keep that in mind, something to consider.

    but i cant listen to rush or hannity either

  • Bill Huggins

    Is Mediaite really doing cleanup on the homophobic remarks around here?

    ABOUT TIME

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    LeviCoultify said:
    You’re literally arguing that the words “I don’t care what the opinion people PORTRAY AS FACT” don’t mean “I’m aware that they MAKE UP FACTS”. That’s your argument.

    Don’t ALL opinion people portray some things as “fact,” or at the very least, some “facts” as more important than others. If they didn’t there would be consensus on everything.

    You’re projecting far too much.

    Anyway… what about Bashir’s statement?

    LeviCoultify said:
    fair enough… but it’s just kind of hard to compare all the MSNBC gaffe’s to literally even a single Beck or Hannity program isn’t it? I don’t hold loyalty to any TV channel but to facts, keep that in mind, something to consider.

    How are Hannity’s or Beck’s opinions, and weighted facts, different than that of any other opinion person? The only difference is how willing you are to accept or not-accept the similar behavior.

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    Tedderman said:
    This is an easy fix for Fox, just change the slogan to: “Sometimes Fair and Balanced Depending on the Topic or the Guest But Definitely Not Liberal Ever.”

    What would the other networks have to change their slogans to?

    MSNBC: “The place for left-wing politics, and attacks on FOX News.”
    CNN: “Worldwide leader in news that has the CNN logo on it, and a once relevant network.”

  • LeviCoultify

    ImNotBlue said:
    Don’t ALL opinion people portray some things as “fact,” or at the very least, some “facts” as more important than others. If they didn’t there would be consensus on everything.

    You’re projecting far too much.

    Anyway… what about Bashir’s statement?

    How are Hannity’s or Beck’s opinions, and weighted facts, different than that of any other opinion person? The only difference is how willing you are to accept or not-accept the similar behavior.

    You’re not understanding what opinion means. You can have an IDEOLOGY and an opinion on what a specific policy should be etc but you DO NOT get to have an opinion of FACT. Calling yourself “opinion” does not give you the right to lie man, what don’t you understand? Portraying something as fact that isn’t.. is a lie, I dont care who does it, it is not right and needs to be addressed. The bashir thing seems like crap and I dont agree with it if he is wrong legally… and yes it seems hypocritical… like I said.. I have no loyalty to a TV station.

  • sponge bob

    LeviCoultify said:
    I’m sorry but that’s just not true… if it is, please enlighten me.

    ” Was Big Eddie twisting his facts just a tad? On MSNBC, if it weren’t for the twisted facts, would there be any facts at all? ”

    ” Will does these all things in his most recent column—unless you watched last Friday evening’s Rachel Maddow Show. On that program, Maddow focused on a different fact—the fact that Will said a naughty, embarrassing word in this column. Using this naughty, embarrassing word, Maddow proceeded to indulge herself in a few of her favorite games.

    Then too, there was the fairly obvious lie she told, in which she seemed to revert to an inaccurate claim Politifact scolded her for.”
    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh030711.shtml

    ” Maddow did demand “corrections”—from others. But she offered none of her own.

    Maddow devoted a lengthy, twelve-minute segment to the topic of corrections. She repeatedly stressed the wonderful way she rushes to correct her own errors. But by the time her segment was finished, she had admitted no mistakes—and she was battering Politifact hard. As she neared the end of the segment, she completed a screed against right-wing sites who badger her because she’s gay. She then turned back to her main antagonist as she summarized the long segment.

    Maddow returned to a pair of themes she had established four minutes earlier. She said Politifact had spread “bullpucky” when it criticized her report on Wisconsin, a report she had made one week earlier. And she said you don’t get to make shit up just because you have “fact” in your name: ”

    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh030311.shtml

    ” So supportive of soaking the rich is MSNBC’s Ed Schultz that on Monday’s program bearing his name, seconds after claiming “Republicans are forced I guess you could say to make stuff up,” he lied about what happened after taxes were cut by President George W. Bush (video follows with transcript

    Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/04/19/ed-schultz-lies-about-tax-revenues-under-bush-seconds-after-saying-re#ixzz1OF4HbvZV

    ” MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow began her show Thursday claiming, “Despite what you may have heard about Wisconsin’s finances, Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year.”

    ” But Maddow wasn’t alone in presenting this lie. Her colleague Ed Schultz did it Friday evening:

    Governor Scott Walker wants you to believe that the only way he can solve his made-up budget crisis is by taking away union rights. He says if he raises taxes on the wealthy, jobs will die and businesses will leave Wisconsin. That, my friends, is an old, outright lie.

    And here’s the proof. The previous governor, Democrat Jim Doyle, was handed a $3.2 billion deficit when he took office. But he passed a budget that left the state poised for a surplus this year.

    Maybe Politifact should bust him as well.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/02/19/rachel-maddow-exposed-lying-about-wisconsin-having-budget-surplus#ixzz1OF4vlYMf

  • Bill Huggins

    valkyrie101 said:
    Yep, FOX is cool. Without it, our national media would be too far weighted to the left.

    Yeah, truth and facts seem to have a liberal bias. Hmmmmm

  • LeviCoultify

    ImNotBlue said:
    Don’t ALL opinion people portray some things as “fact,” or at the very least, some “facts” as more important than others. If they didn’t there would be consensus on everything.

    You’re projecting far too much.

    Oh the irony of this is too much for me to explain to you lol…

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    LeviCoultify said:
    You’re not understanding what opinion means. You can have an IDEOLOGY and an opinion on what a specific policy should be etc but you DO NOT get to have an opinion of FACT. Calling yourself “opinion” does not give you the right to lie man, what don’t you understand?

    Who said anything about lying? See, you once again have assumed that Shep was talking about lying, and he wasn’t… but that’s how you see it, because it fits your preconceived notions about what FNC does. You believe they lie, therefore what Shep said equals that. Except it doesn’t.

    Opinion folks pick and chose which facts make their arguments stronger. For example, someone arguing about abortion might say, “It kills babies.” While another person might say, “It saves the mother’s life.” Both are arguments to be made, neither are “lies,” they’re just the facts that are most interesting or help produce the strongest argument to the specific person. For a straight news person (like Shep), he is required to present ALL the facts and let the viewer make their conclusion. An opinion person is able to select which facts they think are most interesting or most important, and build from there.

    Portraying something as fact that isn’t.. is a lie, I dont care who does it, it is not right and needs to be addressed.

    But that’s not what we’re talking about.

    The bashir thing seems like crap and I dont agree with it if he is wrong legally… and yes it seems hypocritical… like I said.. I have no loyalty to a TV station.

    Then back to my original point… if you believe this is Shep saying FNC lies, isn’t the Bashir thing evidence of MSNBC “lying” as well? And if so, why the focus on FNC by the NYT?

  • LeviCoultify

    sponge bob said:
    ” Was Big Eddie twisting his facts just a tad? On MSNBC, if it weren’t for the twisted facts, would there be any facts at all? ”

    ” Will does these all things in his most recent column—unless you watched last Friday evening’s Rachel Maddow Show. On that program, Maddow focused on a different fact—the fact that Will said a naughty, embarrassing word in this column. Using this naughty, embarrassing word, Maddow proceeded to indulge herself in a few of her favorite games.

    Then too, there was the fairly obvious lie she told, in which she seemed to revert to an inaccurate claim Politifact scolded her for.”
    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh030711.shtml

    ” Maddow did demand “corrections”—from others. But she offered none of her own.

    Maddow devoted a lengthy, twelve-minute segment to the topic of corrections. She repeatedly stressed the wonderful way she rushes to correct her own errors. But by the time her segment was finished, she had admitted no mistakes—and she was battering Politifact hard. As she neared the end of the segment, she completed a screed against right-wing sites who badger her because she’s gay. She then turned back to her main antagonist as she summarized the long segment.

    Maddow returned to a pair of themes she had established four minutes earlier. She said Politifact had spread “bullpucky” when it criticized her report on Wisconsin, a report she had made one week earlier. And she said you don’t get to make shit up just because you have “fact” in your name: ”

    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh030311.shtml

    ” So supportive of soaking the rich is MSNBC’s Ed Schultz that on Monday’s program bearing his name, seconds after claiming “Republicans are forced I guess you could say to make stuff up,” he lied about what happened after taxes were cut by President George W. Bush (video follows with transcript

    Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/04/19/ed-schultz-lies-about-tax-revenues-under-bush-seconds-after-saying-re#ixzz1OF4HbvZV

    ” MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow began her show Thursday claiming, “Despite what you may have heard about Wisconsin’s finances, Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year.”

    ” But Maddow wasn’t alone in presenting this lie. Her colleague Ed Schultz did it Friday evening:

    Governor Scott Walker wants you to believe that the only way he can solve his made-up budget crisis is by taking away union rights. He says if he raises taxes on the wealthy, jobs will die and businesses will leave Wisconsin. That, my friends, is an old, outright lie.

    And here’s the proof. The previous governor, Democrat Jim Doyle, was handed a $3.2 billion deficit when he took office. But he passed a budget that left the state poised for a surplus this year.

    Maybe Politifact should bust him as well.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/02/19/rachel-maddow-exposed-lying-about-wisconsin-having-budget-surplus#ixzz1OF4vlYMf

    It takes talent to write this much and say so little…

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    LeviCoultify said:
    Oh the irony of this is too much for me to explain to you lol…

    …Is what people say when they can’t actually answer the question.

  • http://activitypit.ning.com/profile/massmurdermedia MASSMURDERMEDIA

    Fokker News said:
    …a majority of the 300 million Americans are insulted that Fox News calls itself fair and balanced when clearly it is the mouthpiece for the Republican party along with Rush Limbaugh.

    this tired notion of rush being a gop hack only illustrates those who believe this do not listen to his show… rush pleads daily for the gop to follow his lead, not the other way around… and if they did, they’d win more elections…

  • Darr247

    There IS a difference between “news” and “opinion.”

    Still, Murderoch should just change the name of the network and domain to Fox Opinion Channel Service (punny, huh?) and foxopinion.com, respectively, as most of his employees seem to have lost track of that difference.

  • LeviCoultify

    MASSMURDERMEDIA said:
    this tired notion of rush being a gop hack only illustrates those who believe this do not listen to his show… rush pleads daily for the gop to follow his lead, not the other way around… and if they did, they’d win more elections…

    lol yea rush is a democrat

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    LeviCoultify said:
    Man.. the only thing I’ve come to see from this conversation is that you lack very basic logical thinking skills. Something is really wrong with you… mind if I ask you what you do for a living? Just out of curiosity..

    I work in television.

    And since your post was a personal attack, I’ll assume that it will be gone shortly.

    Although, since you attacked me… perhaps not.

    Anything more specific than that… or just a general, “Nuh-uh, you stink” post?

  • notsofast

    LeviCoultify said:
    I’m sorry but that’s just not true… if it is, please enlighten me.

    Rachel Maddow Falsely Claims Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year

    “”Despite what you may have heard about Wisconsin’s finances, the state is on track to have a budget surplus this year.”- Rachel Maddow on Thursday, February 17th, 2011 in a segment on her television talk show
    “There is fierce debate over the approach Walker took to address the short-term budget deficit. But there should be no debate on whether or not there is a shortfall. While not historically large, the shortfall in the current budget needed to be addressed in some fashion. Walker’s tax cuts will boost the size of the projected deficit in the next budget, but they’re not part of this problem and did not create it.
    We rate Maddow’s take False.”

    http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/18/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-says-wisconsin-track-have-budget-sur/

    Maddow Falsely Claims Politician Had Advance Warning of Oklahoma City Bombing

    Megan McArdle – Megan McArdle is the business and economics editor for The Atlantic. She has worked at three start-ups, a consulting firm, an investment bank, a disaster recovery firm at Ground Zero, and the Economist.

    Oct 20 2010, 11:31 AM ET
    Whether this was poor fact checking, or sloppy wording, with Maddow meaning to say that he got notice of militia involvement before the media, the implication of what she actually said is that he knew about the attacks before they happened. I hope Maddow will correct this implication quickly.

    Rachel Maddow says Fox News ‘said the New Black Panther Party decided the election for Barack Obama’
    Maddow would have been correct if she had simply said that Fox’s coverage was more extensive and hyperbolic than other networks. But her claim that Fox News “said the New Black Panther Party decided the election for Barack Obama” is not supported by the transcripts we reviewed.

    In reality, Fox’s coverage focused on legal, racial and media-related issues, rather than the electoral impact on Obama. SO WE FIND HER CLAIM FALSE.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/09/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-says-fox-news-said-new-black-panther/

  • valkyrie101

    Bill Huggins said:
    Yeah, truth and facts seem to have a liberal bias. Hmmmmm

    They do at MSNBC. If you want a conservative bias go to FN.

  • http://activitypit.ning.com/profile/massmurdermedia MASSMURDERMEDIA

    LeviCoultify said:
    lol yea rush is a democrat

    that response just bolsters my point about people not listening to his show while spouting what they think he stands for based on what other leftists say… he’s a conservative, and he’s been trying to get the gop to be more conservative for years now, instead of being afraid and on their heels defensively trying to be liked by people who will never vote for them… it seems michele bachmann and sarah palin are the only republicans with the stones to be true conservatives, as opposed to the likes of mitch daniels and john mccain, who want to be liked by wishy-washy moderates, a proven recipe for losing…

  • my dogs gone

    Each Fox “journalist” expresses their bias with their expressions, sneers, giggles and eye rolls as much as with their far right leaning prejudice. Smith resents being the laughing stock of the trade.

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    my dogs gone said:
    Each Fox “journalist” expresses their bias with their expressions, sneers, giggles and eye rolls as much as with their far right leaning prejudice. Smith resents being the laughing stock of the trade.

    Does that go the same for all the other networks?

  • Persistence

    Shepard Smith is closer to being a journalist than most at Faux, and his indignation likely is sincere.

    On the other hand, he probably should (and, maybe privately, does) appreciate his guilt by association with talking heads whose programming is not simply commentary on reported events but, in fact, is a mendacious stew of opinion, innuendo, and outright lies. The Faux formula was fine-tuned by Rupert and Roger as an organ of the far right, partly in response to Rupert’s anger w/ Teddy K., and partly because “…you can fool some of the people all of the time,” and get paid a shit-load of money while doing it.

  • tatboy

    Darr247 said:
    There IS a difference between “news” and “opinion.” Still, Murderoch should just change the name of the network and domain to Fox Opinion Channel Service (punny, huh?) and foxopinion.com, respectively, as most of his employees seem to have lost track of that difference.

    So the NYT needs to change it’s name as well???

  • Tedderman

    Dem4Ever says:
    June 3, 2011 at 2:29 pm Dem4Ever(Quote)
    2 2
    Keller hates Shep because Shep is gay. Keller should be ashamed of himself

    Shep is not gay, he just likes the taste.

  • brownsound

    Rokker said:
    The truth always hurts. Fox is the propaganda arm of the GOP.

    Name a “news” show on MSNBC anytime after 2pm Eastern. Name one. Every single one is a frothing-at-the-mouth liberal opinion echo chamber. Ratigan occasionally plays it straight, but it’s not a news show. Fox has 3. Studio B, Fox Report and Special Report.

    Now STFU

  • Nacho

    Pablo said:
    Are you saying that the NYT is not a business? You might be on to something there.

    I don’t root for the NYT like it’s my college football team.

    I am addressing the FoxNews groupies that think FoxNews is actually their team and is the be all end all. It’s pathetic and I’m just trying to help shine a little light on the situation for them.

  • Nacho

    brownsound said:
    Name a “news” show on MSNBC anytime after 2pm Eastern. Name one. Every single one is a frothing-at-the-mouth liberal opinion echo chamber. Ratigan occasionally plays it straight, but it’s not a news show. Fox has 3. Studio B, Fox Report and Special Report.

    Now STFU

    You are right about MSNBC, but MSNBC doesn’t claim to be a “fair and balanced” News station. You are missing the point.

  • cjd ohio 1

    Nacho said:
    You are right about MSNBC, but MSNBC doesn’t claim to be a “fair and balanced” News station. You are missing the point.

    no, they claim to have no political agenda

  • Nacho

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    no, they claim to have no political agenda

    I don’t know if they’ve ever really claimed that, is that the stations slogan? I don’t really watch that often, did I miss it?

    I see some wingnut here quote Chris Mathews saying that for his show, but does the station claim that?

  • cjd ohio 1

    Nacho said:
    I don’t know if they’ve ever really claimed that, is that the stations slogan? I don’t really watch that often, did I miss it? I see some wingnut here quote Chris Mathews saying that for his show, but does the station claim that?

    yes, they have claimed that, stations slogan no, matthews said his show was non-partisan

  • cjd ohio 1

    Nacho said:
    I don’t know if they’ve ever really claimed that, is that the stations slogan? I don’t really watch that often, did I miss it? I see some wingnut here quote Chris Mathews saying that for his show, but does the station claim that?

    msnbc vp bill wolff, …………….mediaite story colby hall jan 26, 2011

  • Nacho

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    yes, they have claimed that, stations slogan no, matthews said his show was non-partisan

    So they don’t tell you that every hour on the hour everyday day after day.

    I agree MSNBC is just as biased as FoxNews. The point is FoxNews is way more disingenuous about it and the FoxNews groupies are more reverent about standing up for their right wing conservative propagandist channel for their political party.

  • Nacho

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    msnbc vp bill wolff, …………….mediaite story colby hall jan 26, 2011

    That’s just some suit talking out of his ass to The Hollywood Reporter. There is no way that you can compare that to the brainwashing onslaught that FoxNews does in the promotional commercials and even spewed by their anchors and hosts.

  • Nacho

    I put my local NPR station on pause for a second and tuned into FoxNews to see how long it would take me to hear it.

    It took 5 minutes to hear Bret Bair end his show with “Fair, Balanced, and Unafraid.”

  • timcajun

    mNotBlue says:
    Does that go the same for all the other networks?
    ……………………………
    No, it’s not the same for other networks! Sure, you can match up shows of Hannity to Mathews or Ed to Beck and on and on, but past that the other networks, don’t pull the crap “Fox” does! When they do report news that is not “opinion” shows, you still get the gradeschool eye rolls, sneers and giggles. The child like, well it’s about time or finally and this is called the news? No it’s bias crap!

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    @ tim

    Thanks for the clarification. You’re 100% wrong, and can offer no proof to back up your claim… nor can you defend the words and attitudes of MSNBC anchors, but this is nothing new. A FOX hater just hates. It’s all very simple.

  • newzmaker

    Liberals, far lefties, despise Fox News because FNC is not politically correct. Unlike MSNBC, Fox News will never support a president based on nothing but skin color. Fox News pundits will fairly criticize Obama’s policies, while liberals will pat Obama on the head like a dog, even when he goes potty. Good boy, good boy. LOL.

  • valkyrie101

    newzmaker said:
    Liberals, far lefties, despise Fox News because FNC is not politically correct. Unlike MSNBC, Fox News will never support a president based on nothing but skin color. Fox News pundits will fairly criticize Obama’s policies, while liberals will pat Obama on the head like a dog, even when he goes potty. Good boy, good boy. LOL.

    And yet right now the republicans are looking around for a dynamic, vibrant, intelligent person like Obama and would be thrilled if they had one. Face it, most of this anit-obama stuff is just plain old jealousy.

  • newzmaker

    valkyrie101 said:
    And yet right now the republicans are looking around for a dynamic, vibrant, intelligent person like Obama and would be thrilled if they had one. Face it, most of this anit-obama stuff is just plain old jealousy.

    Treating Obama as an [equal] when it comes to criticism, is not jealousy; [equality] was a major goal of the civil rights movement. Liberals are condescending, politically correct, toward Obama, because they do not view people of color as being on their level. The Republicans don’t have a good candidate, yet, but most Americans do not want another Obama, either.

  • Sam M.

    Nacho said:
    It took 5 minutes to hear Bret Bair end his show with “Fair, Balanced, and Unafraid.”

    LMAO!

  • tiredoftherunaround

    valkyrie101 said:
    And yet right now the republicans are looking around for a dynamic, vibrant, intelligent person like Obama and would be thrilled if they had one. Face it, most of this anit-obama stuff is just plain old jealousy.

    You joke.

  • tiredoftherunaround

    my dogs gone said:
    Each Fox “journalist” expresses their bias with their expressions, sneers, giggles and eye rolls as much as with their far right leaning prejudice. Smith resents being the laughing stock of the trade.

    I can see that you don’t watch Fox that much.

  • StandUp

    Nacho said:
    it is destructive to my country.

    “my country”??

    What happened to “our country”?

  • tiredoftherunaround

    Calvin said:
    Her’s one of the more prominent ones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx4HqkqNnJU

    Yup! Fair and balanced. LOL!

  • tiredoftherunaround

    Azarkhan said:
    The truth always hurts. The New York Times is a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

    That’s the reason it’s going broke. People interested in real news, not propaganda quit buying it. The Grey Lady is going broke. Their own fault due to their leftist leanings.

  • valkyrie101

    newzmaker said:
    Treating Obama as an [equal] when it comes to criticism, is not jealousy; [equality] was a major goal of the civil rights movement. Liberals are condescending, politically correct, toward Obama, because they do not view people of color as being on their level. The Republicans don’t have a good candidate, yet, but most Americans do not want another Obama, either.

    Republican ideas are lacking and that is the problem. Their economic view is behind the times and is based on a closed, or substantially closed economic system unlike the current world economy. Thus, according conservative theory, according to their antiquated closed model, a reduction in corporate taxes translates into more money staying in the hands of corporations to reinvest in the economy, thus creating jobs. However, the corporations do not invest in America so much any more, but rather, they invest in third world countries where cheap labor and lack of pollution laws make manufacturing much cheaper, thereby increasing profit. Conservatives are right that lower corporate taxes will lead to reinvestment and more jobs, just not jobs in the U.S. Its like the U.S. tax payer is footing the bill for investments in China, then the Chinese government harvests the profits and loans our own money back to the U.S. The republicans are dedicated to preserving this system.

  • timcajun

    ImNotBlue says

    Thanks for the clarification. You’re 100% wrong, and can offer no proof to back up your claim… nor can you defend the words and attitudes of MSNBC anchors, but this is nothing new. A FOX hater just hates. It’s all very simple.
    ………………………………………………..
    This is a clown statement. Are you using this “tea” childern standard of “because I said so”? Are you really saying, that on “Fox and Fiends” when douce bag rolls his eyes to a positive comment about Obama or the childerns smart ass side comments are included in the report of the story that, you don’t call that bias. “Can’t defend the words”, that’s already been done! Yes, other networks have a mix of the same, but nearly all these tea hates throw out is a little or a lot of the dumb ass spin and down play or questing of positive points! Just tape a show. This is nothing new…. just lying clueless “tea” bubble clown spin! Keep the spin alive and stay in the bubble!

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  • Sidhekitten

    So, let me get this straight, after watching the entire clip, you still have the balls to question HIS ethics. Madam Leftie, I think thou dost protest a bit to much.

  • A man without a Country

    Dear Mr. Smith,
    I suggest you take the advice Major Garret gave out as he left the building…..

    Anybody else feel really bad for the this Mr. Smith?
    Here’s a guy, who wants to be a real journalist, but somehow ended up on Fox.

    Poor Mr. Smith.

  • seek

    timcajun said:
    mNotBlue says:
    Does that go the same for all the other networks?
    ……………………………
    No, it’s not the same for other networks! Sure, you can match up shows of Hannity to Mathews or Ed to Beck and on and on, but past that the other networks, don’t pull the crap “Fox” does! When they do report news that is not “opinion” shows, you still get the gradeschool eye rolls, sneers and giggles. The child like, well it’s about time or finally and this is called the news? No it’s bias crap!

    I’m sorry, but please produce even one “eye” roll from a news reporter. Your comment is appropriate because right here on mediaite there was a story about Palin and the reporter had a look on her face trying not to laugh. The sad part was, what Palin said was correct, but the left wingers made fun of her. So, please produce one, just one eye roll from a Fox news reporter.

  • writer

    Mika’s eyes were rolled so far back in her head, I thought it was a photo from The Walking Dead.

  • Nacho

    writer said:
    Mika’s eyes were rolled so far back in her head, I thought it was a photo from The Walking Dead.

    Making the morning shows part of the argument is not a wise decision for your one liner cause.

  • writer

    Why not, Nacho? You guys are always equating the Fox opinion shows with their news broadcasts, acting as if they’re one and the same. MSNBC is off limits?

  • Nacho

    I’m all for it. I was just trying to help you out in not bringing in that element.

    Good luck trying to defend Fox and Friends.

  • writer

    The subject was eye rolling. I’ve noticed plenty of it when the left talks about Palin. Not so much from Fox. Not saying they’ve never done it. But the left is making a science of it.

  • Nacho

    The subject is FoxNews claiming to be “Fair and Balanced”

    You just brought the morning shows into the argument, The Curvy Couch crew is fair and balanced in you eyes, good luck rolling with that.

  • writer

    Where did I say the morning crew was fair and balanced? I don’t watch the morning shows on either Fox or MSNBC. The photo of Mika rolling her eyes was one I saw on here. And I’ve seen others on the left mentioning Palin, then rolling their eyes. I just think mentioning Palin, then using stock footage from The Walking Dead would be easier.

  • tatboy

    Nacho said:
    The subject is FoxNews claiming to be “Fair and Balanced”

    You just brought the morning shows into the argument, The Curvy Couch crew is fair and balanced in you eyes, good luck rolling with that.

    Actually it was not. I was Keller of the NYT having the audacity to question their news vs. opinion while he and the NYT having no problem running news AND opinion. Got it? Keller had the balls to use the word “cynical” while running a “news”paper with and hard left opinion page and hard left reporters. It’s laughable….

  • writer

    Linda Blair in The Exorcist was good at rolling her eyes back in her head. The left could start using clips from that, too.

  • Nacho

    My bad, I thought you were standing up for the FoxNews channel’s slogan that the channel is actually ‘Fair and Balanced.’

    Sorry.

  • writer

    I think the ‘fair and balanced’ slogan was a poor choice of words, since Fox does lean right. Like I’ve said, a more accurate slogan would be, ‘all the others lean left. We don’t. “

  • Nacho

    tatboy said:
    Actually it was not. I was Keller of the NYT having the audacity to question their news vs. opinion while he and the NYT having no problem running news AND opinion. Got it? Keller had the balls to use the word “cynical” while running a “news”paper with and hard left opinion page and hard left reporters. It’s laughable….

    Where does the NYT continue to tell you how legit they are? Do they add “trust us, we know the facts, it’s true” to the end of every article?

  • Nacho

    writer said:
    I think the ‘fair and balanced’ slogan was a poor choice of words, since Fox does lean right. Like I’ve said, a more accurate slogan would be, ‘all the others lean left. We don’t. ”

    That works, I even give them a pass with “we report, you decide” even though they are trying to help you decide, its not a lie like “fair and balanced.”

  • writer

    The NYT did used to say they were the paper of record. If you’re going to nitpick slogans, they should have said the paper of far left record.

  • writer

    MSNBC called themselves The place for politics. Shouldn’t that have been The place for far left politics?

  • Nacho

    writer said:
    MSNBC called themselves The place for politics. Shouldn’t that have been The place for far left politics?

    That’s not a fair and balanced comparison. That’s like nitpicking saying a park is a place to play when it may be used mostly be children on swing sets and saying it should be this park if the place for children on swing sets.

    FoxNews uses their opinion oriented hosts in the “Fair and Balanced” propaganda commercial pieces.

  • writer

    Seeing as how all the other outlets are left leaning, Fox does at least provide a balance. The fairness is in your point of view. And since you’re on the far left, you don’t think Fox is fair. Their opinions are ‘dangerous’. I feel the same about all the leftist propaganda all the others are spewing.

  • Nacho

    I agree that they provide a balance, but they in themselves are not balanced. That is where the issue lies.

    They need to just cut out the bullshit that so many gullible people buy into that they are not a ring wing news outlet and are in fact “fair and balanced” news station.

    I appreciate the alternative point of few, but many people watching FoxNews are actually believing that everything they are hearing is the unbiased truth. I understand that goes both ways with the “MSM” but they aren’t out there selling it like an ad campaign trying to get you to buy their product.

  • hgarner2000

    Shepard Smith may be a quality journalist, but the criticism that the slogan ‘fair and balanced’ is misleading is fair and balanced.

  • writer

    Nacho, I suspect that like many on the far left, your definition of lying is: anything that disagrees with me. Because Fox News opinions don’t agree with yours, they must always be ‘lying’. If Fox isn’t saying things you like, go to any of the other networks. They’ll agree with you.

  • Nacho

    My main issue here is FoxNews is lying saying that the channel is “Fair and Balanced”

    FoxNews does lie, and it generally coincides with selling their right wing bias reports as fair and balanced facts.

  • writer

    Then don’t watch it.

  • timcajun

    seek says:
    I’m sorry, but please produce even one “eye” roll from a news reporter. Your comment is appropriate because right here on mediaite there was a story about Palin and the reporter had a look on her face trying not to laugh. The sad part was, what Palin said was correct, but the left wingers made fun of her. So, please produce one, just one eye roll from a Fox news reporter.
    …………………………………….
    The sad part was Palin was “correct”!!!??? How much spin can you clowns throw out? When you discount EVERY single example of the point, what does it matter? Doucey bag does that famous eye roll about every other show, on Fiends, but when you show a “tea bubble”, (example) that eye roll was at 2 min 31 sec into tape and the “tea “spin says no he didn’t! You’re are back at grade school again! When you lie, deny and turn a blind eye to facts, you can always be correct! By the “tea” standard you are always correct! foxnewslies.net.. you will get your fill ….IF… you can stop lying long enough! Just one eye roll, try many!

  • writer

    You lefties are funny. You’re always stomping your feet and saying “Ooooh, Fox makes me so mad! They’re saying things I disagree with! So they’re lying!” And all you have to do is just watch something else. You seem to be saying that if there’s something on you don’t like, no one should be allowed to watch it. That first amendment can be a bitch.

  • seek

    timcajun said:
    seek says:
    I’m sorry, but please produce even one “eye” roll from a news reporter. Your comment is appropriate because right here on mediaite there was a story about Palin and the reporter had a look on her face trying not to laugh. The sad part was, what Palin said was correct, but the left wingers made fun of her. So, please produce one, just one eye roll from a Fox news reporter.
    …………………………………….
    The sad part was Palin was “correct”!!!??? How much spin can you clowns throw out? When you discount EVERY single example of the point, what does it matter? Doucey bag does that famous eye roll about every other show, on Fiends, but when you show a “tea bubble”, (example) that eye roll was at 2 min 31 sec into tape and the “tea “spin says no he didn’t! You’re are back at grade school again! When you lie, deny and turn a blind eye to facts, you can always be correct! By the “tea” standard you are always correct! foxnewslies.net.. you will get your fill ….IF… you can stop lying long enough! Just one eye roll, try many!

    Palin was correct. As for Steve Doucy – that’s not news! You said “news”. That’s like every other morning show.
    Again, you can’t produce, you can just throw out “examples” that are dead wrong. What’s the matter with you?

  • timcajun

    writer says:
    You lefties are funny. You’re always stomping your feet and saying “Ooooh, Fox makes me so mad! They’re saying things I disagree with! So they’re lying!” And all you have to do is just watch something else. You seem to be saying that if there’s something on you don’t like, no one should be allowed to watch it. That first amendment can be a bitch.
    ………………………….
    Living in the “tea bubble” can be a bitch! I guess the first amendment did cover lying didn’t it!

  • seek

    timcajun said:
    writer says:
    You lefties are funny. You’re always stomping your feet and saying “Ooooh, Fox makes me so mad! They’re saying things I disagree with! So they’re lying!” And all you have to do is just watch something else. You seem to be saying that if there’s something on you don’t like, no one should be allowed to watch it. That first amendment can be a bitch.
    ………………………….
    Living in the “tea bubble” can be a bitch! I guess the first amendment did cover lying didn’t it!

    Did you put your foot through the t.v. while trying to get through Weiner’s media blitz?

  • timcajun

    seek says
    Palin was correct. As for Steve Doucy – that’s not news! You said “news”. That’s like every other morning show.
    Again, you can’t produce, you can just throw out “examples” that are dead wrong. What’s the matter with you?
    …………………………………….
    Palin was correct, by what standard, oh… that’s right an…. “I said so” ….”tea” standard! Now,… “Fox and Fiends” are “not” a news show, ok… I agree, but what is a news show on Fox? When you keep moving the goalpost, it’s easy to score a goal! Can’t produce an example, I just did and you changed the point! (check the post) As for Weiner, he handled that like a fool!

  • Gorgegirl

    writer said:
    I think the ‘fair and balanced’ slogan was a poor choice of words, since Fox does lean right. Like I’ve said, a more accurate slogan would be, ‘all the others lean left. We don’t. ”

    “Lean right”? They are nothing but a 24/7 ad for the Republican PARTY. Nothing “Fair and Balanced” about their reporting at all. What happened to “truth in the news”? There is nothing wrong with having “opinions”, but when you have much of their programming as “opinions”, then how can you say it is “fair and balanced”? You can – only if you are lying.

  • seek

    Gorgegirl said:
    “Lean right”? They are nothing but a 24/7 ad for the Republican PARTY. Nothing “Fair and Balanced” about their reporting at all. What happened to “truth in the news”? There is nothing wrong with having “opinions”, but when you have much of their programming as “opinions”, then how can you say it is “fair and balanced”? You can – only if you are lying.

    Well now let’s see. Shepard Smith – left wing – news
    Bret Baier – news – fair and balanced – you don’t have a clue what he really thinks (as it should be for news)
    Greta – in depth coverage of interesting issues. She bashes both left and right equally (ask Newt)
    Fox and Friends – morning show – like all the other morning shows.
    O’Reilly – fair and balanced. No spin – represents both sides
    Hannity – Right wing – represents both sides, although he himself is a righty and proud of it.
    All news programs – balanced coverage. Some of the reporters are lefties but you probably wish they were more vitriolic.

    Now, would you mind doing a summation on CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, PBR etc.? Do you get the impression that perhaps the right is outnumbered by a long shot and we are not complaining 24/7 – you are? Do you think you have a leg to stand on when the left has well over 80% biased left wing programming and it’s not enough for you?

  • Barack Must Go

    Apparently ” FOX NEWS’s ” resident liber-ace, Shep Smith has traded in his PULL UPS for big girl panties of late.

  • timcajun

    seek says:
    ……………………….
    Shep Smith, 2/3 tea
    Bier, right lean
    Greta 80/20 tea but sweet about it
    Fox and Fiends 90/10 light taint through all
    O’Reilly about 10 fair and balanced, with some flips
    Hannity, gone,gone gone 100% “tea”

  • george L

    I have watched enough of Fox News to give an opinion, and my opinion is that when taken as a whole, Fox News is not “Fair and Balanced,” but Shep Smith is.
    Fox News have very few pure news segments, but lots and lots of right wing commentary segments.
    That is my “fair and balanced” assessment of Fox News Channel.

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